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KCStud
10-29-2012, 12:55 AM
What if he declares this year? He could possibly go first overall right? He's like 6'4" 215, should be at least 220 by the combine. Anyway here's his stats. I kinda like him.

CAREER STATS
SEASON CMP ATT YDS CMP% YPA LNG TD INT SACK RAT
2012 122 177 1684 68.9 9.51 85 18 0 16 182.4
2011 219 328 2634 66.8 8.03 69 16 5 13 147.3
2010 30 48 389 62.5 8.10 47 3 0 2 151.2

georgiafan
10-29-2012, 07:47 AM
Don't see him leaving and will prob get hurt as being a product of the coaching and talent around him and might even get the game manger tag

Halsey
10-29-2012, 09:58 AM
NFL teams don't write off every major college QB because they have talent around them. If that were the case, no QB from Alabama, Texas, Florida, etc would ever get drafted. It's not like those schools recruit blue chip talent at other positions and then go sign leftovers at QB.

My major concern for McCarron is that he doesn't look as big and strong as you'd like an NFL QB to be. He's skinny and doesn't appear to have great physical tools. His ceiling appears to be 2nd round to me.

bucfan12
10-29-2012, 10:09 AM
I don't see NFL starter. Very good intangibles and smart but a lot of his throws just lack the necessary arm strength needed to be an nfl starter. Think good back up.

FUNBUNCHER
10-29-2012, 11:12 AM
Great developmental guy. I could easily see him over time potentially becoming a starter.

jrdrylie
10-29-2012, 11:37 AM
He certainly doesn't have the strongest arm in the world, but he isn't Kellen Moore either. I don't think he has any less arm strength than a guy like Christian Ponder. He has good accuracy (although a lot of times his guys are wide open so it isn't too hard), touch, and decision making. Zero interceptions through 8 games is damn impressive, I don't care how well your line blocks or how open your guys are.

I'm not sure he has good enough tools to go in the first round. But I do think he is somewhere in the Andy Dalton-Kirk Cousin range, so 2nd-3rd round sounds about right for him.

Shane P. Hallam
10-29-2012, 11:38 AM
The more I watch, the more impressed I become. I agree, he is more in the 2nd round range right now.

bucfan12
10-29-2012, 11:48 AM
I think Matt Flynn is a perfect comparison.

SolidGold
10-29-2012, 12:20 PM
I think Matt Flynn is a perfect comparison.

I think McCarron is more physically gifted - he is bigger with a better arm and I think he has room to add more bulk to his frame. Flynn is more mobile and is probably more nimble on his feet but McCarron is more accurate/better arm strength.

Every season he has improved and it seems Alabama is letting him become more than a game manager in the Greg McElroy/John Parker Wilson mold. They are becoming a more balanced offense whereas in the past they were predicated on the run. McCarron's development is giving the offense a consistent aerial threat.

Honestly this year's crop of senior QBs has become somewhat underwhelming with Barkley, Smith and Wilson all faltering to some degree. He probably could declare and be a 2nd/3rd rounder but I think if he stays and plays well next season he has a shot at the first round.

Razor
10-29-2012, 01:55 PM
In a world where Weeden is a first round selection AJ McCarron should be as well. The best thing for him would be going back to school though...

MassNole
10-29-2012, 02:05 PM
In a world where Weeden is a first round selection AJ McCarron should be as well. The best thing for him would be going back to school though...

Not really fair to compare a system QB to a pro style QB.

Scott Wright
10-29-2012, 02:42 PM
I have a little anecdote about McCarron.

A few years ago down in Mobile, AL at the Senior Bowl I was at one of the South practices and there was a fireman / e.m.t. standing near me. We began talking and he told me about his son, who was going to be playing quarterback at Alabama. Turns out it was A.J. McCarron. Then a year or two later I was back at the Senior Bowl doing a radio interview on one of those tricked out buses outside of the stadium before the game. Low and behold the other guest who was on with me was McCarron. Needless to say it would be kind of neat to actually be covering him in the Senior Bowl next year!

As far as a pro prospect, I think McCarron is probably a notch above John Parker Wilson and Greg McElroy but probably not as good as Brodie Croyle coming out of the same program. Looks like a mid-round pick who could develop into a solid backup at the next level one day.

Cigaro
10-29-2012, 02:51 PM
I'm a fan. I think he has the tools necessary to start in the NFL. He doesn't strike me as a guy who can be asked at the pro level to carry a team alone to greatness, but I do think that with proper coaching he has the potential to be a reliable starter. Dalton is a comparison I like. I'd have to go with second/third round at the moment. First seems a bit much, although if he stayed another year and showed further improvement a later selection in that round seems possible.

ph90702
10-29-2012, 10:23 PM
I have a little anecdote about McCarron.

A few years ago down in Mobile, AL at the Senior Bowl I was at one of the South practices and there was a fireman / e.m.t. standing near me. We began talking and he told me about his son, who was going to be playing quarterback at Alabama. Turns out it was A.J. McCarron. Then a year or two later I was back at the Senior Bowl doing a radio interview on one of those tricked out buses outside of the stadium before the game. Low and behold the other guest who was on with me was McCarron. Needless to say it would be kind of neat to actually be covering him in the Senior Bowl next year!

As far as a pro prospect, I think McCarron is probably a notch above John Parker Wilson and Greg McElroy but probably not as good as Brodie Croyle coming out of the same program. Looks like a mid-round pick who could develop into a solid backup at the next level one day.

Spot on...........

CashmoneyDrew
10-29-2012, 10:34 PM
He beats Bray out in the godawful tattoo category.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
10-30-2012, 09:27 AM
I have a little anecdote about McCarron.

A few years ago down in Mobile, AL at the Senior Bowl I was at one of the South practices and there was a fireman / e.m.t. standing near me. We began talking and he told me about his son, who was going to be playing quarterback at Alabama. Turns out it was A.J. McCarron. Then a year or two later I was back at the Senior Bowl doing a radio interview on one of those tricked out buses outside of the stadium before the game. Low and behold the other guest who was on with me was McCarron. Needless to say it would be kind of neat to actually be covering him in the Senior Bowl next year!

As far as a pro prospect, I think McCarron is probably a notch above John Parker Wilson and Greg McElroy but probably not as good as Brodie Croyle coming out of the same program. Looks like a mid-round pick who could develop into a solid backup at the next level one day.

What makes a QB a "solid back up"?

Scott Wright
10-30-2012, 03:26 PM
What makes a QB a "solid back up"?

Ha.

I would say Good intangibles so that they still prepare properly and will be ready at a moments notice. Often times guys who project as long-term backup quarterbacks are a little more limited from a physical tools perspective as well. Basically someone who you wouldn't be comfortable starting for long stretches but who can come in and get the job done in a pinch.

MassNole
10-30-2012, 03:35 PM
What makes a QB a "solid back up"?

Frank Reich like qualities.

Smart player with average physical attributes who understands his team's system and plays within that system. Some backup QBs have the tendency to press a little too hard when they get the chance to play and try to force throws, almost as if auditioning for their next job. I think if you are looking for someone in the Frank Reich mold, A.J. McCarron is as close as you'll ever find.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
10-30-2012, 10:38 PM
Ha.

I would say Good intangibles so that they still prepare properly and will be ready at a moments notice. Often times guys who project as long-term backup quarterbacks are a little more limited from a physical tools perspective as well. Basically someone who you wouldn't be comfortable starting for long stretches but who can come in and get the job done in a pinch.

What prevents a "solid backup" from being a starter?

ph90702
10-30-2012, 10:41 PM
What prevents a "solid backup" from being a starter?

Not being able to play well on a consistent basis.

Saints-Tigers
10-30-2012, 11:20 PM
Smart, less talented guys usually are good backups also because after they learn the system, it's like having another coaching voice, especially if he has good rapport with the starter.

Smart,physically talented guys usually go on to be starters.... hard to keep in a backup role, lol.

San Diego Chicken
10-31-2012, 01:14 AM
When I think of a good backup, I think of guys like Jeff Hostetler, Steve Young (pre-1992), Doug Flutie, and in the current NFL someone like Chase Daniel, Shaun Hill or even Tebow. Someone who might be a little bit unconventional but makes things happen. I don't think a backup QB should just be a bland system guy, because what's the point? You've already conceded that he isn't better than your starter, so he should bring something extra to the table outside of your base offense. Just my opinion anyway. To me McCarron actually profiles as a solid NFL starter. Honestly wouldn't be shocked if he's drafted late first or higher.

Mufasa
10-31-2012, 01:22 AM
not as good as Brodie Croyle

Ouch. So basically stay away from him.

Brent
11-02-2012, 07:19 PM
http://fishduck.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/dorsey.jpg

comes to mind

Iamcanadian
11-03-2012, 02:17 PM
A career backup type at best and a mid rounder for me. He's got 3 potential 1st round OL prospects and is pretty clean on every passing play with nobody getting close to him. Anybody can look impressive playing behind that OL.

FUNBUNCHER
11-03-2012, 07:25 PM
If McCarron played in a wide open spread system like at Baylor or Arizona, I think his numbers would look more like a possible franchise QB at the next level.

Because all Nick Saban QBs are coached to be game managers, IMO people are underestimating McCarron's pro upside.

At some point I believe McCarron is going to be given a serious look as a potential starter but he'll probably start his career as a backup.


McCarron is better pro prospect than Dorsey, arm strength isn't even close.

descendency
11-03-2012, 07:32 PM
McCarron reminds me of so many NFL backups - it's not even funny.

He plays the kind of offense I want to see in college, but he just doesn't impress me in a way that makes me think he could do it when everything gets just a bit harder.

rawdawg
11-03-2012, 07:42 PM
To me, McCarron is Sam Bradford without a basketball on grass offense. Very accurate. Not super mobile, but nowhere near a statue, underrated pocket presence. Doesn't have the 5-star arm strength to rip the ball thru a defense, but can make all the necessary throws and makes them accurately. I also think they have similar height and body types. Bradford put on some weight, I think McCarron can/will also before he gets to the next level. Definitely should stay in school.

That being said, I wasn't all that big on Bradford. I figured he'd become about what he has in the NFL. I don't know that McCarron is much more than a 2nd/3rd round talent, but I'd bet he'll get drafted in the first because of the NFL being a QB starved league, and being a "winner".

I do think McCarron is an NFL starter. But I don't think he's ever going to be a top 10 QB in the league. Like Bradford, he'll settle into being anywhere from "not going to lose games for you" to slightly above middle of the pack.

Hurricanes25
11-03-2012, 10:07 PM
McCarron reminds me of so many NFL backups - it's not even funny.

He plays the kind of offense I want to see in college, but he just doesn't impress me in a way that makes me think he could do it when everything gets just a bit harder.

Pretty much my thoughts. He just doesn't have the "it" factor.

MassNole
11-04-2012, 08:29 AM
If McCarron played in a wide open spread system like at Baylor or Arizona, I think his numbers would look more like a possible franchise QB at the next level.


:facepalm:

No they wouldn't, they would look like the numbers of a typical system QB who won't translate to the NFL.

FUNBUNCHER
11-04-2012, 08:54 AM
:facepalm:

No they wouldn't, they would look like the numbers of a typical system QB who won't translate to the NFL.

THe point was that since McCarron never has the opportunity to throw the football 30+ times a game, there's a very small sample set to evaluate what he's really proficient at doing throwing the football other than not committing turnovers.

His physical tools are fine IMO, but since he's never allowed to push the throttle from the pocket it's hard to get a clear picture of what his actual skillset is as a passer.

Wide open college offense = built around the the QB passing the football.
You can call that being a 'system QB' or whatever, but in Saban's offensive scheme the QB is a complimentary piece and never the focal point.

The way you use the phrase 'system QB', I assume you mean a prospect who lacks both the physical tools or skillset to succeed at the next level.
I don't necessarily have that opinion about McCarron.

FUNBUNCHER
11-11-2012, 12:03 AM
Ugh.

McCarron looks like a huge project whose upside in the NFL is backup to the starter.

ph90702
11-11-2012, 08:55 AM
I don't know why any blue chip prospect at quarterback would want to play for Nick Saban.

MassNole
11-11-2012, 09:01 AM
Ugh.

McCarron looks like a huge project whose upside in the NFL is backup to the backup.

Fixed that for you.

If not for a god awful call he would have throw 3 INTs yesterday, 2 in crunch time.

FUNBUNCHER
11-11-2012, 09:25 AM
I don't know why any blue chip prospect at quarterback would want to play for Nick Saban.

I won't say Saban ruins QB prospects, but they sure don't seem to develop under his coaching.
Alabama recruits 5-star talent at the skill positions on offense and the oline so I could see how a top QB recruit might consider playing for the Tide.

It's just that IMO Saban treats his QBs like they're the least important part of the offense.