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StudentBodyLeft
10-30-2012, 03:02 AM
without the issues but just 2 inches shorter at 6'0.

Lost in the shuffle of USC's loss to Arizona this weekend was perhaps the greatest receiving performance in CFB history.

16 receptions 345 yards 2 TDs.

PROS:
-Run after catch ability is off the charts. Might not be a 4.3 guy, but his football speed and acceleration in the first two steps are what make him special.

-Jumpball and leaping ability is well above average. Made NCAAs in track and field in the long jump.

CONS:
-Can have suspect hands at times. Drops easy passes in between making great catches.

-Height isn't ideal at 6'0 but has a long limbs that can still add more weight to an already compact frame.



In summary, while Robert Woods has received high praise, there's a reason why Lane Kiffin thinks Lee could be the best USC receiver of all time.

villagewarrior
10-30-2012, 09:03 AM
without the issues but just 2 inches shorter at 6'0.

Lost in the shuffle of USC's loss to Arizona this weekend was perhaps the greatest receiving performance in CFB history.

16 receptions 345 yards 2 TDs.

PROS:
-Run after catch ability is off the charts. Might not be a 4.3 guy, but his football speed and acceleration in the first two steps are what make him special.

-Jumpball and leaping ability is well above average. Made NCAAs in track and field in the long jump.

CONS:
-Can have suspect hands at times. Drops easy passes in between making great catches.

-Height isn't ideal at 6'0 but has a long limbs that can still add more weight to an already compact frame.



In summary, while Robert Woods has received high praise, there's a reason why Lane Kiffin thinks Lee could be the best USC receiver of all time.

You didn't mention the single most important aspect to a receiver's game: how are his routes?

Punisher
10-30-2012, 09:20 AM
If you do a comparison between Dez and anybody you have to mention off the field trouble. Lee is clean.

Also, Lee reminds me more of a shorter T.O. than Dez Bryant in terms of ability. Lee is so strong after the catch, and he throws corners regularly.

"-Jumpball and leaping ability is well above average."

-This is an understatement. Lee's best ability is jumping on the run and adjusting to the ball like a basketball player and keep running.

y.f.s.
10-30-2012, 02:56 PM
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descendency
10-30-2012, 02:57 PM
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descendency
10-30-2012, 02:58 PM
You didn't mention the single most important aspect to a receiver's game: how are his routes?

Unless you have access to USC film, it's really hard to judge routes, because only the good routes get shown on TV, generally.

StudentBodyLeft
10-30-2012, 04:19 PM
If you do a comparison between Dez and anybody you have to mention off the field trouble. Lee is clean.

Also, Lee reminds me more of a shorter T.O. than Dez Bryant in terms of ability. Lee is so strong after the catch, and he throws corners regularly.

"-Jumpball and leaping ability is well above average."

-This is an understatement. Lee's best ability is jumping on the run and adjusting to the ball like a basketball player and keep running.

Did you see my first comment saying he's Dez Bryant without the issues?

Also, comparing Lee to T.O. essentially amounts to the same thing as comparing him to Dez Bryant, as Bryant was compared to T.O. coming out. All three have similar playing styles.

And yes, I agree that I shouldn't have been as conservative about the jumpball comment. But I actually think his best attribute is really RAC. He's the closest thing that USC has had to Reggie Bush lately when the ball is in his hands. Elusive, yet fluid acceleration is the only way I can describe his running style.

keylime_5
10-30-2012, 04:24 PM
I wonder if the Sammy Watkins/Marqise Lee combo in 2014 will end up being better than the AJ Green/Julio Jones combo of 2011.

In regards to the OP, it's hard to get a good comparison on Lee. Not many top WR prospects are only 6'0" tall and I don't think we've seen one that short go top 5 in like forever - but he certainly should be the next (same with Watkins, who is only 6'1").

TACKLE
10-30-2012, 04:30 PM
In regards to the OP, it's hard to get a good comparison on Lee. Not many top WR prospects are only 6'0" tall and I don't think we've seen one that short go top 5 in like forever - but he certainly should be the next (same with Watkins, who is only 6'1").

How about Torry Holt - both as a comparison for Lee and someone that size who went that early (he went 6th, technically not top 5 but still).

D-Unit
10-30-2012, 04:35 PM
Marqise Lee = Marqise Lee

Comparisons between players suck cause there are always differences.

SickwithIt1010
10-30-2012, 04:46 PM
Marquise is a helluva player, extremely physical and when he gets the ball in his hands there are few players who are as dynamic. You wanna get out of your seat everytime he gets his hand on it. He is only 6'0" which isnt typical of big time receiving prospects but teams will be drooling over him come draft time next year.

Will be interesting to see how he does next season with a new QB under center.

keylime_5
10-30-2012, 04:54 PM
How about Torry Holt - both as a comparison for Lee and someone that size who went that early (he went 6th, technically not top 5 but still).

I could see that. Holt was the best receiver in the NFL for like 2 years about a decade ago (geez has it really been that long?)

Caulibflower
10-30-2012, 06:00 PM
Marqise Lee = Jeremy Maclin? Part of me really wants to throw out a Michael Crabtree comparison.

villagewarrior
10-30-2012, 06:05 PM
Unless you have access to USC film, it's really hard to judge routes, because only the good routes get shown on TV, generally.

True enough. Good point.

I get tickled when people call receivers around 6', 6'1 "average" height. Let's not forget the 6'3, 6'4 230 pound receivers are exceptions to the rule, true anomalies.

ChiFan24
10-30-2012, 06:05 PM
You didn't mention the single most important aspect to a receiver's game: how are his routes?

That's one of the most important aspects of a pro receiver's game, but I don't know why people place such an emphasis on it for college receivers. If he has the tools to run a crisp route, you can coach him up.

Lee seems to be pretty awesome, but I don't know about the Dez Bryant comparison. Maybe a rich man's Chris Chambers?

Taber21
10-30-2012, 06:14 PM
I get tickled when people call receivers around 6', 6'1 "average" height. Let's not forget the 6'3, 6'4 230 pound receivers are exceptions to the rule, true anomalies.

I don't think people are saying that 6'-6'1 is considered average height for receivers, but that to be considered a top 5 pick at WR, teams are looking for those 6'2+ WR's who, as you put it, are the exceptions.

Saints-Tigers
10-30-2012, 11:11 PM
I get tickled when people call receivers around 6', 6'1 "average" height. Let's not forget the 6'3, 6'4 230 pound receivers are exceptions to the rule, true anomalies.


So you're saying that most guys in the NFL at WR are around the 6'-6'1 range? Isn't that... the definition of average?

It tickles me more when people take "average" with a negative connotation, or to mean BAD.

norcalgsr
10-31-2012, 12:10 AM
I like the Maclin comp more than Bryant.

San Diego Chicken
10-31-2012, 12:45 AM
What's the story with Farmer? He barely plays and he was supposedly the best pro prospect of those 3 WR's coming out of Serra HS.

SickwithIt1010
10-31-2012, 01:09 AM
What's the story with Farmer? He barely plays and he was supposedly the best pro prospect of those 3 WR's coming out of Serra HS.

Had tons of hamstring problems since he got there but has caught on a little bit lately.

DraftSwag
10-31-2012, 04:16 PM
How can you compare Marqise Lee to Dez Bryant????????? Marqise Lee is almost 30 pounds lighter than him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you wanna compare him to anyone in the NFL right now thats playing at a high level I think you would have to say Victor Cruz or maybe Antonio Bryant. Dez Bryant is a completely different type of player. C'mon MANNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

rawdawg
10-31-2012, 06:37 PM
If you wanna compare him to anyone in the NFL right now thats playing at a high level I think you would have to say Victor Cruz or maybe Antonio Bryant.

Huh. Antonio Bryant's been out of the league for a few years now.

DraftSwag
10-31-2012, 06:48 PM
My bad Antonio Brown. But Antonio Bryant was a beast too. LOL

StudentBodyLeft
10-31-2012, 07:14 PM
How can you compare Marqise Lee to Dez Bryant????????? Marqise Lee is almost 30 pounds lighter than him!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! If you wanna compare him to anyone in the NFL right now thats playing at a high level I think you would have to say Victor Cruz or maybe Antonio Bryant. Dez Bryant is a completely different type of player. C'mon MANNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes, Lee is smaller than Bryant. I think we've already established that. But they do play with similar styles.

Lee plays big for his size. You also need to consider the fact that he has the frame to pack on more muscle. And he will.

Robcards
10-31-2012, 07:15 PM
Not a fan of the Cruz comparison. Antonio brown is a good comparison though, smaller WR who runs good routes. He is way too small to be considered to be like Dez.

DraftSwag
10-31-2012, 07:19 PM
I feel like Victor Cruz is the epitome of a small receiver will exceptional route running ability. I haven't seen enough of Lee to talk about his strength, but don't forget Cruz is 200 pounds which is pretty heavy for a guy at 6'0.

DraftSwag
10-31-2012, 07:21 PM
I think you could say Dez and Lee have similar skill sets, but completely different bodies which is a significant difference.

rawdawg
10-31-2012, 07:41 PM
Not a fan of the Cruz comparison. Antonio brown is a good comparison though, smaller WR who runs good routes. He is way too small to be considered to be like Dez.

Lee is listed at 6'1", 195.
Cruz 6', 204
Brown is 5'10", 186.

Closer to Cruz than Brown. And I think Lee can put on weight to be almost the same size as Cruz. Tough to project Lee to be as good of a route runner as Cruz, but the after the catch ability is similar.

descendency
10-31-2012, 07:42 PM
I don't think people are saying that 6'-6'1 is considered average height for receivers, but that to be considered a top 5 pick at WR, teams are looking for those 6'2+ WR's who, as you put it, are the exceptions.

Size isn't what made them anomolies. Larger WRs can't run very fast (typically). What made those guys so great is that they could run like they were 6'0" with a 6'5" frame.

Randy Moss may have been one of the 10 fastest players to play more than 5 years in the NFL. He was that fast.

Robcards
10-31-2012, 08:05 PM
Lee is listed at 6'1", 195.
Cruz 6', 204
Brown is 5'10", 186.

Closer to Cruz than Brown. And I think Lee can put on weight to be almost the same size as Cruz. Tough to project Lee to be as good of a route runner as Cruz, but the after the catch ability is similar.

Listed as 6'1 where? I saw 5'11 on multiple sources

Witten4HOF
11-01-2012, 04:39 PM
I think he is very similar to what Brandon Lloyd would be with a little more speed. Both have excellent body control and can go up and get the ball for the circus catches but can still have lapses in their concentration.

bucfan12
11-01-2012, 04:42 PM
Whoever mentioned it above, Lee= Victor Cruz.

rawdawg
11-01-2012, 09:11 PM
Listed as 6'1 where? I saw 5'11 on multiple sources

I've never seen him listed as 5'11". He's listed as 6'1" on ESPN. He's 6' even on USC's site, NFLdraftscout, and Scout.com

BRAVEHEART
11-04-2012, 11:10 PM
Hard to compare Marqise to anybody. I believe he'll set the standard for 6'1"-6'0" receivers at the next level (as long as he's healthy).

FUNBUNCHER
11-05-2012, 12:28 AM
Lee = healthy, maybe slightly faster Greg Jennings.
Future Ram.

BrabbitMcRabbit
11-06-2012, 06:07 PM
Lee = healthy, maybe slightly faster Greg Jennings.


Yep. Much better comparison than some of the ones tossed out here.

He is nothing like Dez.

y.f.s.
11-06-2012, 06:18 PM
Yep. Much better comparison than some of the ones tossed out here.

He is nothing like Dez.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

socentre44
11-07-2012, 04:36 PM
I've never seen him listed as 5'11". He's listed as 6'1" on ESPN. He's 6' even on USC's site, NFLdraftscout, and Scout.com

1:20 mark

During an interview his freshman year, Lee states he weighs 193 pounds and around 5'11 to 6'0.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tRgMMYBfbfQ

There's always chance Lee grew a little since his freshman year, but I think 6'0, 200 pounds is probably a fair estimate by the time he's draft eligible. Lee is much more of a wideout than a slot receiver and plays tall.

Cardinal96
11-07-2012, 05:40 PM
Stanford Coach David Shaw just came out and said that Marqise Lee is the best WR prospect he has seen since he scouted Randy Moss.

FUNBUNCHER
11-07-2012, 06:29 PM
Stanford Coach David Shaw just came out and said that Marqise Lee is the best WR prospect he has seen since he scouted Randy Moss.


LOL. That's a great compliment, but it makes me think Coach Shaw hasn't scouted many prep WRs since 1996.

SickwithIt1010
11-07-2012, 10:25 PM
LOL. That's a great compliment, but it makes me think Coach Shaw hasn't scouted many prep WRs since 1996.

He has been flat dominant these first 2 years. More so than many WR's who have gone in the draft before him.

Cardinal96
11-08-2012, 09:15 AM
He has been flat dominant these first 2 years. More so than many WR's who have gone in the draft before him.

I can't think of a WR prospect I have seen that was this dominant his first two years. That includes Calvin Johnson, AJ Green and Larry Fitzgerald. Although Marqise Lee is helped by the other weapons they have on that roster, including Robert Woods, that make it tougher to always double-team him. Plus, he has a first-round caliber QB throwing to him.

Actually, come to think of it, Sammy Watkins has probably been equally impressive his first two years.

mdmgrand
11-08-2012, 12:52 PM
Mike Williams for USC was pretty dominant his first two years... Completely different type of receiver, but he looked just as amazing his freshman and sophomore seasons.

I believe Marqise Lee helps Woods much more than Woods helps him. Lee looks great and should be a top 5 pick even at 6', 195.

y.f.s.
11-08-2012, 12:54 PM
SO Marquise is going to start playing some defense for USC....

TACKLE
11-08-2012, 01:12 PM
SO Marquise is going to start playing some defense for USC....

Hello Heisman?

SickwithIt1010
11-08-2012, 01:27 PM
Lee came into USC as a top flight safety recruit...it was kind of a shocker he came in and made as much noise as he did at WR. Everyone was expecting that from Farmer.

D-Unit
11-08-2012, 02:26 PM
Marqise Lee = Marqise Lee.

SickwithIt1010
11-08-2012, 07:56 PM
FWIW our own Scott Wright is fond of him.

Scott Wright ‏@DraftCountdown
Below Calvin Johnson but right there w/ AJ Green. RT "@askmetostay323 It's early but where does Marquis Lee fall in all WRs you've ranked?"

Iamcanadian
11-09-2012, 07:45 AM
without the issues but just 2 inches shorter at 6'0.

Lost in the shuffle of USC's loss to Arizona this weekend was perhaps the greatest receiving performance in CFB history.

16 receptions 345 yards 2 TDs.

PROS:
-Run after catch ability is off the charts. Might not be a 4.3 guy, but his football speed and acceleration in the first two steps are what make him special.

-Jumpball and leaping ability is well above average. Made NCAAs in track and field in the long jump.

CONS:
-Can have suspect hands at times. Drops easy passes in between making great catches.

-Height isn't ideal at 6'0 but has a long limbs that can still add more weight to an already compact frame.



In summary, while Robert Woods has received high praise, there's a reason why Lane Kiffin thinks Lee could be the best USC receiver of all time.

Then why in the world would you compare him to Dez??? Dez Bryant's head just isn't screwed on correctly. He has all the talent in the world but will never be a NFL star. He just doesn't work hard at his profession.

FUNBUNCHER
11-09-2012, 08:09 AM
He has been flat dominant these first 2 years. More so than many WR's who have gone in the draft before him.

I was under the impression Coach Shaw was talking about WRs coming out of HS, not at the college level. Did Shaw coach in the NFL before he joined the Stanford staff under Harbaugh??:waiting:

Bobby Layne
11-09-2012, 08:28 AM
I like the smaller TO comparison. Dez is decent too, but I think he’s a better athlete than Dez. He’s shorter than you would usually like out of and outside guy but he plays a lot bigger. I could definitely see him getting up to 210-215 as a pro. Which is a nice size for a 5’11 to 6’0 WR.

y.f.s.
11-09-2012, 10:34 AM
I was under the impression Coach Shaw was talking about WRs coming out of HS, not at the college level. Did Shaw coach in the NFL before he joined the Stanford staff under Harbaugh??:waiting:

Yes. He was with Oakland and Baltimore from 98-05 and then joined Harbaugh's staff at University of San Diego in 06.

Docta
11-09-2012, 06:19 PM
Chad Johnson in his prime might be a better comparison.