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Brown Leader
11-10-2012, 12:25 PM
sup. UPDATED 12/8

returning: - C.J. Mosley - Kevin Minter - Logan Thomas - J.Jeffcoat - Sharrif Floyd - W.Ghoulston - Cordarrelle Paterson - Nickell Robey - Justin Gilbert - Tony Jefferson - Jonathan Brown - Zach Ertz - Jordan Matthews - Anthony Barr.

RD.1


1. Kansas City Chiefs - Tyler Wilson /QB/ Arkansas:
I've never seen a guy take as many lights out shots but keep getting up and producing. If the past 2 seasons for the Razorbacks hasn't ruined him he'll be a more then solid pro. Plays with a chip that he'll bring to any team. I'd take him over any other QB coming out. Great arm talent/adequate mobility. And doing it with only one real weapon-having almost an identical season as last year's when he was supposedly surrounded with top WR talent. I'd take him over any other QB in this class. NFL comp. Tony Romo
*previous: Matt Barkley

2. TRADE Arizona Cardinals (PHI) - Luke Joeckel* /OT/ Texas A&M:
Unless there's a clear cut big time prospect at QB it's hard to see the Cards taking another one to add to Kolb -Skelton- Lindley. Instead they'll take the LT and probably sign a vet they hope is an upgrade. Joeckel is one of surest offense side players available and if the Eagles are interested in moving down the Cards might have to compete and move up if they want him. NFL comp. Joe Thomas
*previous Matt Barkley, Tyler Wilson

3. Jacksonville Jaguars - Bjoern Werner* /DE-OLB/ Florida State:
I haven't been really high on Werner but he's showed a knack for playing big in big games. Have him now as the first DE taken because he gets off the ball better then anyone in this class. NFL comp. Chris Long
*previous Damontre Moore

4. Oakland Raiders (ARI) - Manti Te'o /LB/ Notre Dame:
The Raiders desperately need to hit on their first pick so they could throw positional value off a little bit and go with an ILB.. NFL comp. DeMeco Ryans
*previous Star Lotulelei

5. Carolina Panthers - Star Lotulelei /DT/ Utah:
Tried to come up with a trade down scenario so the Panthers could go offense with their first pick but nothing seemed as likely as staying put and addressing the DT. NFL comp. Ndamukong Suh
*previous Tavon Austin, Luke Joeckel

6. TRADE Philadelphia Eagles (ARI)– Geno Smith /QB/ West Virginia
Smith's confidence has taken a major hit during WVU's losing skid. He looks rattled and it's affected his accuracy and decision making. Still, his physical skills and arm talent are solid, and he generally shows great poise and always top notch work ethic. NFL comp. Andy Dalton
*previous E.J. Manuel

7. Cleveland Browns – Keenan Allen* /WR/ California:
Moore would be a great fit here but I'm stubbornly staying with a WR. Richardson leads the team in catches, after all. Allen's a skinny Dez Bryant minus the crazy ****. May seem excessive to go WR again but Little's been a disappointment due to drops and Massaquoi's a bust who's contract will be up and an elite WR is becoming a higher priority now across the league. Supplemental pick Gordon is a keeper but it's a stretch to project him as a #1. NFL Comp. Javon Walker

8. Tennessee Titans - Damontre Moore* /DE/ Texas A&M:
I thought Moore would have a strong season but he looks better then I envisioned. Huge fan now. They moved him to DE after playing as a stand up OLB last year and he's dominating. He's everything you hope Mingo can be. NFL comp. Willie McGinest
*previous Bjoern Werener, Dion Jordan

9. Detroit Lions - Dion Jordan* /DE-OLB/ Oregon:
Jordan's a coaches dream. Mobility of a DB and the size of a DE-and a great first step. NFL comp. Mathias Kiwanuka
*previous Dee Milliner

10. San Diego Chargers - Taylor Lewan* /OT/ Michigan:
I want to give the Chargers Tavon Austin but the OT situation is too great a need. NFL Comp. Jeff Backus

11. Buffalo Bills – Ezekiel Ansah /DE/ BYU:
Highest upside DE in this class.
*previous Geno Smith

12. Miami Dolphins - Jake Matthews* /OT/ Texas A&M:
Long has had issues protecting in key situations this season and he's being paid a ransom-contract ends this offseason. I like Aboushi more but Matthews is tough to pass as one of the safest picks in the first. NFL comp. David Diehl
*previous Oday Aboushi, Tyler Eifert

13. New Orleans Saints - Dee Milliner*/CB/ Alabama:
With so few top CBs in this class, Milliner would probably be wise to declare. I def don't see a top ten guy but, who knows, Gilmore went there last year. Right now I think he's just top 20.
NFL Comp. Terrell Thomas
*previous Dion Jordan, Ezekiel Ansah

14. New York Jets - Matt Barkley /QB/ USC:
Sanchez may have used up all his lives with the Jets. Whether it's Rex or a new HC, it's hard to see anyone still tagging him as their guy. On to the next SC guy. Trying to find a good compare for Barkley this season, I've gone from Matt Flynn to Drew Brees and back-I've finally figured it. Barkley's like a collector's item toy. Once you open it up and play with it, it's value drops and eventually it'll break. He's still hard to bet against. And his experience and poise under pressure are what the Jets are looking for. NFL comp. Drew Brees
*previous Geno Smith, Chance Warmack

15. TRADE Tampa Bay Buccaneers (MINN) - Barkevious Mingo*/DE-OLB/ LSU:
Mingo is expected to blow everyone away at the combine but he's doing very little as a part time player this season. Still, he could be something like a better Michael Johnson, sooo..... NFL comp. Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
*previous Dee Milliner, Jesse Williams

16. St. Louis Rams - Chance Warmack /OG/ Alabama:
Warmack is regarded as a special interior lineman and should go around that Iupati mid first range. NFL Comp:Jahri Evans
*previous Jake Matthews

17. Cincinnati Bengals - Eric Reid* /S/LSU:
Reid started off the season slow but has really picked it up of late. NFL comp. William Moore
*previous Barkevious Mingo, Bjoern Werner

18. TRADE Minnesota Vikings (TB) - Sheldon Richardson* /DT/ Missouri:
Should go higher but character concerns might cause him to drop. Richardson is ridiculously athletic for a bigger guy. There has to be some concern about Ponder but I think they might add talent around him before looking at a new franchise QB. NFL Comp. Darnell Docket
*previous Manti Te'o

19. St. Louis Rams (WAS) - Tavon Austin /WR-RB/ West Virginia:
Rams could go in other directions but Austin is a top 20 prospect and fits in especially well imo. NFL comp. Darren Sproles
*previous Eric Reid, Oday Aboushi

20. Dallas Cowboys - Jesse Williams /NT/ Alabama:
Not yet getting enough recognition. Williams should become a beast of an interior lineman in the NFL-able to play in any scheme. With the emergence of the Redskins and a likely shift on offense by the Eagles next season with a fresh QB and 2 big time RBs, the Cowboys better be prepared to defend the run. NFL Comp. Antonio Garay
*previous John Hankins

21. Pittsburgh Steelers - Cobi Hamilton /WR/ Arkansas:
Huge fan of Hamilton. He's been unstoppable for the Razorbacks this season and has no weaknesses to his game. NFL Comp. Julio Jones
*previous Robert Woods

22. Seattle Seahawks - Tyler Eifert /TE/ Notre Dame:
Even as a first round pick I think Eifert is underrated. NFL Comp. Jimmy Graham
*previous Sheldon Richardson

23. Indianapolis Colts – Jarvis Jones* /OLB-DE/ Georgia:
Jones' medical condition is downright scary. No doubt it will cause him to drop-how far is anybody's question. He's been playing at a high level with the condition for awhile but even if there isn't a catastrophe in his future, his longevity is seriously in question. For now I'm keeping him a first rounder but he will be taken off a lot of teams boards. NFL comp. Chad Brown

24. Chicago Bears - Oday Aboushi /OT/ Virginia:
I like Joeckel & Matthews, but Oday is right up there with them imo and more athletic then either. If he dominates like I think he will senior week, I think he'll go at least top 25. NFL comp. Duane Brown
*previous Eric Fisher

25. Baltimore Ravens - Matt Elam*/S /Florida:
If he declares he could rise in this class. NFL Comp. Dante Whitner
*previous Xavier Rhodes

26. TRADE Jacksonville Jaguars (GB) - Tyler Bray* /QB/ Tennessee:
Bray's got a Cutler/Stafford caliber arm but the intangibles of Matt Leinart. Still, if your in need of a franchise guy, he could come threw big for you. NFL Comp. Ryan Mallett
*previous Mike Glennon, Logan Ryan

27. New England Patriots - Jonathan Hankins* /DT/ Ohio State:
Top ten talent but questionable motor and poor game tape of late has his stock dropping. But BB likes his DTs.
*previous Stedman Bailey

28. TRADE Buffalo Bills (ATL) – Mike Glennon /QB/ NC State:
Had Glennon as a first rounder before the season but soured on him after seeing him continue his wild inconsistency early. Took a long look recently and was impressed how he's come along...then I took a look at him vs Virginia. Might pick up big numbers in the right offense but will probably never shake the tendency to make unforced mistakes. Buyer beware. NFL Comp. Derek Anderson
*previous Sam Montgomery, Corey Lemonier

29. New York Giants - Eric Fisher /OT/Central Michigan:
Fisher needs more work but he's a fiery bulked up TE with a lot of upside. NFL comp Joe Staley
*previous Barkevious Mingo

30. Denver Broncos - Le'Veon Bell* /RB/ Michigan State:
Mired on a terrible offense, Bell will end up a steal in the NFL. Eddie George
*previous Jonathan Hankins, Johnthan Banks

31. San Francisco 49ers - Terrance Williams /WR/ Baylor:
The Niners just went here last year but Jenkins hasn't seen the field and Moss/Williams might not be back. Additionally, Crabtree's basically a bust and Manningham's a jag. Harbaugh might look to open up the offense a little more with Kap back there.Wiiliams has size and speed but it's his quick feet that I think will make him Baylor's 3rd straight first round pick. Sort of a first round sleeper that should generate momentum after senior week practices. NFL comp. Roddy White
*previous John Jenkins

32. Houston Texans – John Jenkins /NT/ Georgia:
Bust potential for sure but you can't coach up size + motor. Jenkins gets blown off the ball too often for a guy of his size but massive DTs who can move and hustle are rare commodities-I guess. NFL comp. Shaun Smith
*previous Sheldon Richardson, Matt Elam



RD.2


1. Kansas City Chiefs – Robert Woods* /WR/ USC:
Woods is now the forgotten guy with Lee breaking out. What I like most is his toughness. After Bowe, it's Baldwin, McCluster for a year, and the ridiculously overpaid Breaston. NFL comp. Santonio Holmes
*previous Stedman Bailey

2. TRADE Green Bay Packers (JAC) - Joseph Randle /RB/ Oklahoma St.:
Quietly stepped up his game in the absence of Weeden and Blackmon. A complete back who should be a first round pick. NFL comp. Matt Forte

3. Philadelphia Eagles – Jonathan Cooper /OG/ North Carolina:
Smart, athletic guard some view as better then Warmack. NFL Comp. Davin Joseph
*previous D.J. Fluker

4. Carolina Panthers - Stedman Bailey*/WR/ West Virginia:
High on Bailey since last year when I thought he physically abused Mo Claiborne at the los and out quicked him in the open field. He's underrated due to his big play teammate. He's kind of like a smaller, faster Golden Tate. NFL Comp. Golden Tate
*previous Tavon Austin

5. Cincinnati Bengals (OAK) – Eddie Lacy*/RB/ Alabama:
Superbly talented but also playing behind a phenomenal line. NFL Comp. Steven Jackson

6. Arizona Cardinals - Dion Sims* /TE/ Michigan St:
Probably a longshot to declare but he's foremost a bear of a blocker but with great hands and potential in the passing game.

7. Cleveland Browns (supp) - Josh Gordon /WR/ Baylor:
Supplemental pick Flash has been the Browns best WR this season. That's good and bad. NFL comp. Michael Jenkins

8. Tennessee Titans - Dallas Thomas /OG/ Tennessee:
Versatile and athletic and the Titans have needed help here for a good while.

9. Detroit Lions - Xavier Rhodes /CB-S/ Florida State:
Rhodes has the size and tackling ability to play safety if needed. NFL comp. Gary Baxter
*previous Cornellius Caradine, Sam Montgomery

10. San Diego Chargers – E.J. Manuel /QB/ Florida State:
Took a long look at E.J. and even though his skill set is ideal, he struggles to make the easy plays. Boom/bust prospect that will sink or swim depending on the coaching and situation. NFL comp. Tavaris Jackson
*previous Da'Rick Rogers

11. TRADE Atlanta Falcons (BUF) - Corey Lemonier* /DE/ Auburn:
Lemonier has been one of the most consistent rushers in the country for awhile. NFL Comp. Shawn Merriman
*previous Ezekiel Ansah, Eric Fisher

12. Miami Dolphins - Justin Hunter* /WR/Tennessee:
Possible deep & red zone threat if he comes back fully from his knee injury. NFL comp. Malcolm Floyd
*previous Terrance Williams, Cobi Hamilton

13. New Orleans Saints – forfeited:

14. New York Jets - Brian Winters /OG-OT/ Kent State:
Unheralded prospect that destroys opponents in the run game creating some pre senior week buzz. If he lives up to it, he could see high 2nd round.

15. Minnesota Vikings - DeAndre Hopkins* /WR/ Clemson:
Hopkins is stepping up big this season for Clemson. The only drawback might be how fast he actually is. NFL comp. Miles Austin
*previous Da'Rick Rogers, Ezekiel Ansah

16. St Louis Rams - D.J. Fluker* /OT/Alabama:
Good coaching and D.J.'s a pro bowler.

17. Cincinnati Bengals - Khassem Greene /OLB/ Rutgers:
Former safety who's become a dominant defender and the top OLB in the draft.
*previous Art Brown, Barrett Jones

18. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Logan Ryan* /CB/ Rutgers:
Under the radar guy having a strong season on a great defense. Size, ball skills-needs to show well in the post season to rise. NFL Comp. Leon Hall
*previous D.J. Fluker, Sylvester Williams

19. Washington Redskins - Kenny Vaccaro /S/ Texas:
The tatted one has not had a stellar season but is still a solid prospect.
*previous Logan Ryan, T.J. McDonald

20. Dallas Cowboys - Barrett Jones /OC-OG/ Alabama:
Will become more valuable because of his versatility.
*previous Jordan Reed

21. Pittsburgh Steelers - Sam Montgomery* /DE/ LSU:
Another guy I'm not really sold on but it's hard to tell with all the talent on LSU. Certainly took a hit to his stock after A&M. NFL comp. (taller) Brandon Graham
*previous Andre Ellington

22. Seattle Seahawks - Sylvester Williams /DT/ UNC:
Looks a little like Geno Atkins.
*previous Khassem Greene

23. Miami Dolphins (IND) – Alec Ogletree* /LB/ Georgia:
Fills the stat sheet on a talented Georgia D but is still pretty raw. NFL Comp. Kevin Burnett
*previous Logan Ryan, Jordan Poyer

24. Chicago Bears - Jordan Reed* /TE/ Florida:
Probably a longshot to declare. I've come down on him just a bit. He's still an underrated talent but not quite K2. NFL Comp. Aaron Hernandez
*previous Alec Ogletree, Sean Porter

25. Baltimore Ravens – Da'Rick Rogers* /WR/ Tenn. Tech:
Should probably stay another year but circumstances might have him declaring. NFL Comp. Kenny Britt

26. Green Bay Packers - Brennan Williams /OT/UNC:
Coming back from injury, if everything works out, could wind up a steal.

27. New England Patriots - Quinton Patton /WR/ Louisiana Tech:
Generating some late season buzz and will have to prove himself senior week. NFL Comp. Cecil Shorts
*previous Tank Carradine

28. Atlanta Falcons - Arthur Brown /LB/ Kansas St:
Might be a first round pick if 43 LBs were valued higher and he was a little bigger. NFL Comp. Jon Beason

29. New York Giants – Alex Okafor /DE-OLB/ Texas:
Okafor is the best Texas defender imo.
*previous Margus Hunt

30. Denver Broncos - Kawaan Short /DT/ Purdue:
When his motors on, he's a top 20 guy. He could drop because of inconsistency but he'll probably generate buzz senior week. NFL Comp. Phil Taylor
*previous Shawn Williams

31. San Francisco 49ers - Shawn Williams /S/ Georgia:
Georgia safeties might start generating more buzz as post season eval starts up.
*previous Kenny Vaccaro

32. Houston Texans – Sean Porter /LB/ Texas A&M:
Versatile inside/outside guy who does everything pretty well.
*previous Sylvester Williams

ChicagoBearsVet23
11-10-2012, 12:59 PM
I pray Warmack falls to the Bears

CJSchneider
11-10-2012, 08:13 PM
I'd rather see NO take Werner.

T-RICH49
11-10-2012, 09:21 PM
solid KC draft

scar988
11-10-2012, 09:45 PM
Both of the Atlanta picks are pretty bad. While I could see a left tackle, why not Outland Trophy Winner Barrett Jones who can play anywhere on the offensive line there over some project who will wind up going lower than Lamar Holmes did?

Also, linebacker isn't a need at all when it comes to the starters. Nicholas and Weatherspoon are the ones playing almost every snap and depth later will be easy to find.

Pat Sims 90
11-10-2012, 11:33 PM
I see no way the Bengals pick out of the top 10.

I also don't see them taking a center that high when they just gave Cook a extension not too long ago.

wicket
11-11-2012, 03:03 AM
I'd rather see NO take Werner.

or anyone else, ive seen a lot of oregon and i have no clue why dion jordan is considered a first rounder. The only thing that makes it somewhat acceptable is the fun commentators are gonna have with 2 starting ends named jordan.

Werner, Milliner, Hankins or Lewan could all be WAY better options for that pick

phlysac
11-11-2012, 09:44 AM
23. San Francisco 49ers - Kenny Vaccaro /S/ Texas:
The tatted one has not had a steller season but is still a solid prospect and the Skins need help.

Think you edited the pick but not the rationale.


Good work on a full rundown.

Brent
11-11-2012, 09:46 AM
Niners just drafted a WR in the 1st. Why would they do that again?

Matthew Jones
11-11-2012, 10:05 AM
I'd be alright with that Patriots draft.

Bengals78
11-11-2012, 11:58 AM
I see no way the Bengals pick out of the top 10.

I also don't see them taking a center that high when they just gave Cook a extension not too long ago.

This. Make that pick Ogletree or Hunter and I would sex that draft.

Taber21
11-11-2012, 12:06 PM
I love Manti to the Vikings, Brinkley has been terrible. DE in round 2 is unlikely as we have far too many needs. WR, OG, DB are all far superior needs at this point, and not sure we wouldn't have to give up a 2nd round pick to move up in the first anyways.

vidae
11-11-2012, 03:21 PM
I like that KC draft, but I strongly agree with what you said: I'd take Wilson #1 over Geno right now too. I like Bailey in the second, especially since Bowe is leaving.

Brown Leader
11-12-2012, 12:23 PM
Both of the Atlanta picks are pretty bad. While I could see a left tackle, why not Outland Trophy Winner Barrett Jones who can play anywhere on the offensive line there over some project who will wind up going lower than Lamar Holmes did?

Also, linebacker isn't a need at all when it comes to the starters. Nicholas and Weatherspoon are the ones playing almost every snap and depth later will be easy to find.

I'm not overly excited about Fisher either but he's been projected as a first rounder in a few places. He's that typical highly athletic underpowered project type, but it appears like he has a real intense attitude and playing style that might elevate him from others like that. But I had completely forgotten ATL took Holmes that high.

Brown Leader
11-12-2012, 12:25 PM
or anyone else, ive seen a lot of oregon and i have no clue why dion jordan is considered a first rounder. The only thing that makes it somewhat acceptable is the fun commentators are gonna have with 2 starting ends named jordan.

Werner, Milliner, Hankins or Lewan could all be WAY better options for that pick

Size of a DE and the mobility of a DB. He's a OLB, DE coaches dream.

Brown Leader
11-12-2012, 12:34 PM
Niners just drafted a WR in the 1st. Why would they do that again?

Forgot about Jenkins going that high.

STsACE
11-12-2012, 06:14 PM
sup.


RD.1


7. TRADE Cleveland Browns (PHI) Keenan Allen* /WR/ California:
IMO, unquestionably, WR is the Browns top need, but it's debatable if a new regime goes there, especially for Allen, who will have to come back from a late season knee issue and show no ill effects during the evaluation process. But he's worth it. Allen's Dez Bryant minus the crazy ****. May seem excessive to go WR again but Little's been a bust due to drops and Massaquoi's just an ordinary bust who's contract will be up and an elite WR is becoming a higher priority now across the league. NFL Comp. Dez Bryant


RD.2


4. Cleveland Browns (supp) - Josh Gordon /WR/ Baylor:
Flash had somewhat of a breakout game against the Giants catching 2TDs, nearly a 3rd if not for an errant Weeden pass. NFL comp. Michael Jenkins



As a fellow Brownie, IMO, you're wrong. Our WRs have faired exceptionally well considering they are all with less than 3 years experience (Cribbs isn't a WR, he doesn't count)

Lack of pass rush is by far our biggest need followed by a CB to pair with Haden or a FS who can cover and tackle.

Our offense has showed alot of promise and outside an uncertainity of our OG play we look good.

Little is not a bust and I'm not saying he isn't a bust, he's played very well the past couple of weeks and if I'm correct hasn't dropped any passes the past 3-4 weeks. He's only in the middle of his 2nd year, if you want to be fair, wait until the end of 3rd season (which most claim is ample time to fairly assess WRs) to call him a bust. If we need any kind of WR, we need a vet to help bring along our young guys and to help the QB.

CashmoneyDrew
11-12-2012, 06:21 PM
I don't see the Titans switching to a 3-4 anytime soon. Even though our D is horrible, our strength is our young group of starting linebackers, and they don't fit a 3-4 IMO.

SickwithIt1010
11-12-2012, 06:32 PM
Yeah, I wouldnt mind that at all.

Brown Leader
11-12-2012, 09:20 PM
As a fellow Brownie, IMO, you're wrong. Our WRs have faired exceptionally well considering they are all with less than 3 years experience (Cribbs isn't a WR, he doesn't count)

Lack of pass rush is by far our biggest need followed by a CB to pair with Haden or a FS who can cover and tackle.

Our offense has showed alot of promise and outside an uncertainity of our OG play we look good.

Little is not a bust and I'm not saying he isn't a bust, he's played very well the past couple of weeks and if I'm correct hasn't dropped any passes the past 3-4 weeks. He's only in the middle of his 2nd year, if you want to be fair, wait until the end of 3rd season (which most claim is ample time to fairly assess WRs) to call him a bust. If we need any kind of WR, we need a vet to help bring along our young guys and to help the QB.

On Little-Listen to what your saying-he's playing well because he hasn't dropped a pass in a few weeks? Bust is strong, I know. I think I'm butthurt over him not being as good as I had hoped. But he's definitely unreliable to this point and he's been a liability as a starter. On the rest? Gordon should be credited for his progress but what else is there? I'd say Benjamin is next but he's he appears to be a straightline speed smurf. But I do agree that a vet WR would help a lot. Imo, though, it needs to be a #1 guy. I'm in agreement on the other needs but I just think this offense is a big time WR away from being a real problem. Whereas our defense is more then a good pass rusher away from being really good.

Brown Leader
11-12-2012, 09:21 PM
I don't see the Titans switching to a 3-4 anytime soon. Even though our D is horrible, our strength is our young group of starting linebackers, and they don't fit a 3-4 IMO.

I'd love to see Ayers as a 34 OLB.

armageddon
11-12-2012, 10:03 PM
no way the Rams take 2 OT's in rd 1.

SoCalBam
11-12-2012, 10:04 PM
KC does not need another small WR. Terrance Williams fits better imo. Good mock.

vidae
11-12-2012, 11:48 PM
Just noticed that Justin Hunter was available when the Chiefs pick in the second. If he's there they should take him.

villagewarrior
11-13-2012, 08:24 AM
Just noticed that Justin Hunter was available when the Chiefs pick in the second. If he's there they should take him.

I'd take Hunter, Hamilton, and Terrance Williams before Bailey, personally, and switch Wilson and Smith around and that'd be a pretty decent haul in the first 2 rounds.

RCAChainGang
11-13-2012, 09:30 AM
The pick isn't awful and we will see as the year goes on how dire a need CB is, but I would much rather shore up the OL for the Colts. Warmack would be a fantastic pick for us. Solid mock though.

Brown Leader
11-13-2012, 04:21 PM
Some changes


Also, linebacker isn't a need at all when it comes to the starters. Nicholas and Weatherspoon are the ones playing almost every snap and depth later will be easy to find.

30. Atlanta Falcons - Kawann Short /DT/ Purdue:

Niners just drafted a WR in the 1st. Why would they do that again?

23. San Francisco 49ers -John Jenkins /NT/ Georgia:

I'd be alright with that Patriots draft.
27. New England Patriots - Cornellius Carradine /DE/ Florida St:

Brown Leader
11-13-2012, 04:28 PM
KC does not need another small WR. Terrance Williams fits better imo. Good mock.
Just noticed that Justin Hunter was available when the Chiefs pick in the second. If he's there they should take him.

Hunter?, isn't that kinda like Baldwin pt2? Bailey's a monster. His injury coincided with WVU slipping. I also like Williams but Smith and Bailey have been together since HS-getting the opportunity to draft both is big. It really depends on what offense is being run next year in KC, I suppose.

Brown Leader
11-13-2012, 04:30 PM
no way the Rams take 2 OT's in rd 1.

But would you? Who do you think is a better choice?

scar988
11-13-2012, 06:53 PM
I'm not overly excited about Fisher either but he's been projected as a first rounder in a few places. He's that typical highly athletic underpowered project type, but it appears like he has a real intense attitude and playing style that might elevate him from others like that. But I had completely forgotten ATL took Holmes that high.

I will never complain about taking OL (Can never have enough good OL). I'm just saying knowing Thomas Dimitroff's character model, Barrett Jones fits way better than Fisher. Jones is a team captain, hard working, three year starter from the GA-AL-SC area (this part not as important) and doesn't have any character issues at all. Plus he's versatile. He's a much better player than Fisher is too as he won the outland when he was playing left tackle. That's what I was saying.

scar988
11-13-2012, 06:55 PM
Some changes

30. Atlanta Falcons - Kawann Short /DT/ Purdue:
Now this is something I can get behind. Peria Jerry is a likely cut and Vance Walker is gone as well. Corey Peters is good and so is Babineaux, but Short would be perfect depth as a 1-tech and a nose tackle for 3-4 sets and as an all around movable part. something ATL likes.

Brown Leader
11-13-2012, 09:19 PM
I'd take Hunter, Hamilton, and Terrance Williams before Bailey, personally, and switch Wilson and Smith around and that'd be a pretty decent haul in the first 2 rounds.

sorry KC fans...

1. Kansas City Chiefs - Matt Barkley /QB/ USC:

Yeah, I wouldnt mind that at all.

whoops...

7. Philadelphia Eagles – E.J. Manuel /QB/ Florida State:

Been taking more looks at both and I think Bark is going to still be the first taken.

Robcards
11-14-2012, 12:35 AM
Niners just drafted a WR in the 1st. Why would they do that again?

Because AJ Jenkins is a bust? What else does that team need? A safety if they don't keep Goldson but that's about it they have young talent at every position except WR pretty much.

Robcards
11-14-2012, 12:48 AM
4. Cleveland Browns Keenan Allen* /WR/ California:
IMO, unquestionably, WR is the Browns top need
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5. Carolina Panthers - Luke Joeckel* /OT/ Texas A&M:

7. Philadelphia Eagles Geno Smith /QB/ West Virginia

12. TRADE Minnesota Vikings (CIN) - Manti Te'o /LB/ Notre Dame:

16. New York Jets - DeAndre Hopkins* /WR/ Clemson:
Hopkins stepping up like a #1 WR this season. NFL comp. Miles Austin

21. Miami Dolphins - Tyler Eifert /TE/ Notre Dame:

22. Seattle Seahawks - Sheldon Richardson* /DT/ Missouri:

24. Baltimore Ravens - Xavier Rhodes /CB-S/ Florida State:

25. New York Giants - Barkevious Mingo*/DE-OLB/ LSU:


Only looking at your first round:

4. How is WR unquestionably their biggest need? How about QB, DE, OLBs, S? They used a 2nd round pick 2 years in a row on WR with Little and Gordon and Gordon is shaping up to be a stud, so why use another high pick on one with stud pass rushers like Mingo, Jones, and Montgomery out there?

5. Panthers have one of the best o-lines in the NFL. Jordan Gross is locked in at LT, as much as I think the Panthers will go BPA, I think best defensive player available makes more sense. Someone like Star Lotuleilei or Johnathan Hankins.

7. Nick Foles. No.

12. Brinkley, Henderson, and Greenway. No.

16. Santonio Holmes can't go anywhere because of his contract, we just traded up to get Stephen Hill, and Jeremy Kerley is turning out to be one of the better slot receivers. With glaring holes at RB, RT, OLB, S (going to lose Landry and Bell next year), just don't see how they can burn a 1st rounder on another WR.

21. They need to address WR before TE, they just drafted Egnew out of Mizzou last year so it would behoove them to see how he pans out before using a 1st rounder on a TE.

22. Seattle has one of the best d-lines in the league, particularly up the middle. Very hard to run on them already, a 1st rounder on another DT doesn't make a whole lot of sense.

24. Webb will be back, Jimmy Smith and Cary Williams are shaping up to be studs. Why draft another CB?

25. JPP, Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora, and Mattias Kiwanuka aren't enough pass rushers?

Rosebud
11-14-2012, 11:40 AM
Like the giants would pick a linebacker before the 4th round. You sure you don't wanna give us a first round TE to?

25. JPP, Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora, and Mattias Kiwanuka aren't enough pass rushers?

Tuck's contract is up and might be let go, and Osi's definitely gone after the season. I wouldn't be shocked at all for JPP, Kiwi, Tracy and Ojomo to be our DEs going into the draft. I'm willing to bet we draft a DL or DB in the first round.

armageddon
11-14-2012, 12:19 PM
But would you? Who do you think is a better choice?


Instead of 2 OT's for the Rams, I would take WR Allen or OG Warmack instead. Saffold is very good and can be moved to RT.

Brown Leader
11-14-2012, 07:01 PM
Only looking at your first round:

4. How is WR unquestionably their biggest need? How about QB, DE, OLBs, S? They used a 2nd round pick 2 years in a row on WR with Little and Gordon and Gordon is shaping up to be a stud, so why use another high pick on one with stud pass rushers like Mingo, Jones, and Montgomery out there?

Little is only starting because this group is so thin and racked with injuries, otherwise he'd be buried on the depth chart. Richardson is actually the leading rec and he's missed time. Besides Gordon (who shows promise but a long ways from a stud) there's basically nothing else. They also lead the league in drops.

16. Santonio Holmes can't go anywhere because of his contract, we just traded up to get Stephen Hill, and Jeremy Kerley is turning out to be one of the better slot receivers. With glaring holes at RB, RT, OLB, S (going to lose Landry and Bell next year), just don't see how they can burn a 1st rounder on another WR.

This is interesting. Hill has been a disappointment but there's a lot of room for improvement. Holmes-Kerley-Hill might do moving forward but Schilens & Gates should get dumped. Is it possible a new GM shakes thing up? They need help on both sides but it seems like the offense is hurting them more then the D. Idk, maby Werner's a better choice there.

Brown Leader
11-16-2012, 09:58 AM
The pick isn't awful and we will see as the year goes on how dire a need CB is, but I would much rather shore up the OL for the Colts. Warmack would be a fantastic pick for us. Solid mock though.

Edited: 19. Indianapolis Colts Jarvis Jones* /OLB-DE/ Georgia:

Dropped Jones. Took a quick look at Jones' medical issue and it's scary. He's likely already off, or will be, a lot of teams boards.

Menardo75
11-16-2012, 10:28 AM
I'm good with the Niner mock.

Brown Leader
11-16-2012, 11:29 AM
16. Santonio Holmes can't go anywhere because of his contract, we just traded up to get Stephen Hill, and Jeremy Kerley is turning out to be one of the better slot receivers. With glaring holes at RB, RT, OLB, S (going to lose Landry and Bell next year), just don't see how they can burn a 1st rounder on another WR.

EDIT 16. New York Jets - Chance Warmack /OG/ Alabama:
Jets need to reload on offense. With money invested in skill positions already and upcoming hits to the line, going OL in the first might be where they're headed. Warmack is regarded as a special interior lineman and might go around that Iupati mid first range. NFL Comp:Jahri Evans

coordinator0
11-16-2012, 11:35 AM
I'm not a fan of the Ravens first round pick. I really don't see them taking a CB in the first few rounds. Webb will be back, they aren't going to give up on Smith so soon, they like Graham and Brown, and there's still Jackson to consider as well. Projecting Rhodes as a safety changes things but if Reed comes back then I don't think they take a guy at that position in the first round. Mingo, Warmack, Woods, Cooper, Fluker (projecting him to LG), and Hunter all would be much better picks in my opinion.

Okafor in the second round is pretty nice. He's not as explosive as I would like but at that point it's a good value.

killxswitch
11-16-2012, 12:00 PM
I'd love Jarvis Jones to the Colts but I doubt either he or Mingo are available that late.

Robcards
11-16-2012, 12:38 PM
EDIT 16. New York Jets - Chance Warmack /OG/ Alabama:
Jets need to reload on offense. With money invested in skill positions already and upcoming hits to the line, going OL in the first might be where they're headed. Warmack is regarded as a special interior lineman and might go around that Iupati mid first range. NFL Comp:Jahri Evans

Disagree again. While Slauson isn't outstanding he certainly isn't the reason our offense stinks. Don't see the Jets going OL in the 1st with so many amazing pass rushers available.

As for your Browns' WR pick, wasn't Little a fairly raw receiver with a high ceiling coming out? You don't think he deserves some more time to develop as high as he was drafted? It definitely seems like Little and Gordon are the 1 and 2 guys going forward, they could obviously use a good slot guy but round 1 isn't the time for that.

Brown Leader
11-17-2012, 01:18 PM
Disagree again. While Slauson isn't outstanding he certainly isn't the reason our offense stinks. Don't see the Jets going OL in the 1st with so many amazing pass rushers available.

As for your Browns' WR pick, wasn't Little a fairly raw receiver with a high ceiling coming out? You don't think he deserves some more time to develop as high as he was drafted? It definitely seems like Little and Gordon are the 1 and 2 guys going forward, they could obviously use a good slot guy but round 1 isn't the time for that.

Why does the offense stink? Imo, ultimately it's really Sporano but it's def tied to the running game and losing the their best rec option. Idk what the whole issue was with Plax but losing him has hurt too. Sanchez hasn't stepped up but he's more scapegoat then anything. If Rex stays on, ...looking more and more like a big if, they'll need to fix the basics first-running the ball-stopping the run. Warmack or OT fixes part of the problem with the running game. I know you want one of those touted pass rushers but their stock is falling. Mingo and Montgomery are getting stoned this year and Jones might not even be draftable with his medical condition.

Little's issue with drops is career threatening-it's that bad. A guy that unreliable shouldn't even be your #4. And I loved him coming out.

Robcards
11-19-2012, 06:09 PM
Why does the offense stink? Imo, ultimately it's really Sporano but it's def tied to the running game and losing the their best rec option. Idk what the whole issue was with Plax but losing him has hurt too. Sanchez hasn't stepped up but he's more scapegoat then anything. If Rex stays on, ...looking more and more like a big if, they'll need to fix the basics first-running the ball-stopping the run. Warmack or OT fixes part of the problem with the running game. I know you want one of those touted pass rushers but their stock is falling. Mingo and Montgomery are getting stoned this year and Jones might not even be draftable with his medical condition.

Little's issue with drops is career threatening-it's that bad. A guy that unreliable shouldn't even be your #4. And I loved him coming out.

Even without Jones, Mingo, and Montgomery, that still leaves Bjoern Werner, Damontre Moore, and Alex Okafor. The offense stinks because we lack weapons, Jets are bottom of the barrel in terms of QB, TE, RB, and WR (with Holmes out).

scar988
11-20-2012, 06:26 PM
Edited: 19. Indianapolis Colts Jarvis Jones* /OLB-DE/ Georgia:

Dropped Jones. Took a quick look at Jones' medical issue and it's scary. He's likely already off, or will be, a lot of teams boards.

if jones falls that far and passes his medical check with ATL, he could easily be a trade up candidate for them.

49erNation85
11-20-2012, 11:23 PM
Really?I don't think the 9ers need another NT.Maybe I dunno.

DiG
11-26-2012, 02:41 PM
Great job on this mock as a whole. Big Logan Ryan fan too for the Skins.

vidae
11-26-2012, 03:36 PM
+3485734895 internets for Tyler Wilson at #1. I agree with what you said, but I'd still take Justin Hunter over Bailey if he's available.

fenikz
11-26-2012, 03:53 PM
Good 1st round pick for AZ but we have to end up with a potential franchise QB by the end of the 2nd round. TE really isn't that big of a need honestly, Housler is an amazing receiver and he is improving as a inline blocker.

Brown Leader
11-26-2012, 04:48 PM
Great job on this mock as a whole. Big Logan Ryan fan too for the Skins.

oops. scratched that in the last update. Figured Vaccaro would be rated higher on the board then Ryan. ..and thanks.

Bengals78
11-26-2012, 06:05 PM
I dont know if we would pass on Ogletree there. We tend to not pass on UGA players when also presented good value.

soybean
11-26-2012, 06:36 PM
To say I wasn't very impressed by EJ Manuel this past weekend would be an understatement. I realize Florida's D is legit but he struggled so much it was hard to see him get anything worthwhile accomplished through the air.

Their D imo was the reason they were afloat in that game.

Brown Leader
11-27-2012, 10:50 PM
To say I wasn't very impressed by EJ Manuel this past weekend would be an understatement. I realize Florida's D is legit but he struggled so much it was hard to see him get anything worthwhile accomplished through the air.

Their D imo was the reason they were afloat in that game.

Manuel's kind of an enigma. His skill set is great. Arm with accuracy, size, athletic ability, smarts. But then he just looks overwhelmed at times and everything breaks down. In that game he made some great plays-eluding the rush and firing downfield. It's not the worst he's looked this season but pretty far from his best. But there's so much to work with there-someone will like him a lot. If the new coach is looking for a run/pass type, he's their project.

Brown Leader
11-27-2012, 11:08 PM
Good 1st round pick for AZ but we have to end up with a potential franchise QB by the end of the 2nd round. TE really isn't that big of a need honestly, Housler is an amazing receiver and he is improving as a inline blocker.

Where? There probably won't be a slam dunk type prospect to clearly unseat any of the QBs. Maby they can trade for Alex Smith, Tyrod Taylor, Matt Flynn, Colt McCoy. :/

scar988
11-28-2012, 06:49 PM
28. Atlanta Falcons - Corey Lemonier* /DE/ Auburn:
Lemonier has been one of the most consistent rushers in the country for awhile. NFL Comp. Shawn Merriman
*previous Ezekiel Ansah, Eric Fisher
great pick. could see NT/DT John Jenkins as well but still a great pick.
28. Atlanta Falcons - Alex Okafor /DE-OLB/ Texas:
Okafor is the best Texas defender imo.
*previous Lane Johnson, Kawaan Short
why two DE's? If we get Jenkins in the first, this is great.

Brown Leader
11-29-2012, 12:05 AM
why two DE's? If we get Jenkins in the first, this is great.

Oversight-I forgot to come back to ATL's 2nd.

EDIT 28. Atlanta Falcons - Alec Ogletree* /LB/ Georgia:

Inside/outside LB & former safety used as a pass rusher quite a bit but pretty raw. Idk if there's character concerns or not after serving an early season suspension. Yay or nay?

SickwithIt1010
11-29-2012, 12:54 AM
NO! NO! **** NO! Any QB but Glennon.

RCAChainGang
11-29-2012, 04:57 AM
Edited: 19. Indianapolis Colts – Jarvis Jones* /OLB-DE/ Georgia:

Dropped Jones. Took a quick look at Jones' medical issue and it's scary. He's likely already off, or will be, a lot of teams boards.

Wow, Jones would definitely be an awesome pick, but I don't know anything about his injury. I need to check that out if he falls this far.

Trogdor
11-29-2012, 06:23 AM
19. Dallas Cowboys - Jesse Williams /DT/ Alabama:
Not yet getting enough recognition. Williams should become a beast of an interior lineman in the NFL-able to play in any scheme. NFL Comp. Antonio Garay
*previous John Hankins

19. Dallas Cowboys - Barrett Jones /OC-OG/ Alabama:
Will become more valuable because of his versatility.
*previous Jordan Reed


Jesse Williams to the 'Boys in the first is very 'meh' pick. Defensive line is one of the deepest positions on the team. Even if the idea is to move Ratliff permanently, which Ryan has stated he does not want, Josh Brent has been stellar filling in on the "heavy" packages as well as on 4-man lines on down and short. At defensive end we are pretty loaded with old vets Coleman/Spears along with the youth movement of Hatcher, Lissemore, Crawford, and Bass. A later pick could be used to add another development prospect but using a first ignores our massive needs on the offensive line and the back end of our secondary.

Looking at your board Eric Fisher, Johnathan Cooper (granted I am extremely high on him), or Jarvis Jones provided our penchant for seeing value in talented players with major injury shadows continues i.e. Sean Lee and Bruce Carter most recently.

Second round pick is perfect. Versatility is a major bonus when considering our recent offensive line drafting history.

Swapping the first pick and it's a nice mock for Dallas :)

kBuc5
11-29-2012, 09:35 AM
I like the Buc's picks. Although I don't think the Buc's take a Offensive lineman that early, Dominick's philisophy on Oline is to get proven guys.
The way your board fell it would be tempting to take Banks instead of Fluker, Milliner/Banks would go a long way in fixing our secondary and the Buc's have been known to go back to back with the same positions in the past.
(Gerald McCoy/Brian Price in 2010 and Adrian Clayborn/D. Bowers in 2011)

If not Banks I think a DT, DE or TE would be taken before Oline.

scar988
12-01-2012, 03:53 PM
Oversight-I forgot to come back to ATL's 2nd.

EDIT 28. Atlanta Falcons - Alec Ogletree* /LB/ Georgia:

Inside/outside LB & former safety used as a pass rusher quite a bit but pretty raw. Idk if there's character concerns or not after serving an early season suspension. Yay or nay?
Falcons don't take anyone wiht suspensions at all.

Abaddon
12-03-2012, 03:23 AM
If you're doing trades, I suspect the Raiders will be desperate to trade back. They need more picks to address this roster overhaul.

Brown Leader
12-05-2012, 02:37 AM
I like the Buc's picks. Although I don't think the Buc's take a Offensive lineman that early, Dominick's philisophy on Oline is to get proven guys.
The way your board fell it would be tempting to take Banks instead of Fluker, Milliner/Banks would go a long way in fixing our secondary and the Buc's have been known to go back to back with the same positions in the past.
(Gerald McCoy/Brian Price in 2010 and Adrian Clayborn/D. Bowers in 2011)

If not Banks I think a DT, DE or TE would be taken before Oline.
If you're doing trades, I suspect the Raiders will be desperate to trade back. They need more picks to address this roster overhaul.

I got you.

mdmgrand
12-05-2012, 08:03 AM
Little is not a liability.... With Gordon, Little, and Cameron the Browns have three athletic and strong pass catchers. Gordon has the ability and the traits of a number one receiver, give him a year. One thing I like about Gordon is he is consistently getting better. In the first half of the season he only caught 41% of his targets, but since he's converting on 71%.

Little's problems were moreso the fact that if he did record a catch he would just dance around and do something ridiculous. The drops looked like confidence issues that appear to be gone.

Browns honestly shouldn't even use a pick on a receiver this year. DE, LB, and CB are top needs. I'd be into the idea of resigning Sheldon Brown and trying him out at FS, he seems like the type of corner who would make the transition.

With how your mock went, the Browns should have selected Damontre Moore, who would be great in the 7 slot.

Brown Leader
12-05-2012, 12:21 PM
Little is not a liability.... With Gordon, Little, and Cameron the Browns have three athletic and strong pass catchers. Gordon has the ability and the traits of a number one receiver, give him a year. One thing I like about Gordon is he is consistently getting better. In the first half of the season he only caught 41% of his targets, but since he's converting on 71%.

Little's problems were moreso the fact that if he did record a catch he would just dance around and do something ridiculous. The drops looked like confidence issues that appear to be gone.

Browns honestly shouldn't even use a pick on a receiver this year. DE, LB, and CB are top needs. I'd be into the idea of resigning Sheldon Brown and trying him out at FS, he seems like the type of corner who would make the transition.

With how your mock went, the Browns should have selected Damontre Moore, who would be great in the 7 slot.

Hey MDM. I really like Moore. He's a great fit. But I'm also extremely high on Allen. I think he'll be an elite WR wherever he ends up. I think most Browns fans are overrating our receivers. I'm not sure Little will ever be what he was projected to be. Since he stopped dropping the ball he's averaged 3rec for 32yds with 1TD over the last 8 gms. They've reduced his targets, imo the only reason he hasn't dropped any in that time. Gordon has been a pleasant surprise but after him I'm not really high on anyone else.