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Borat
11-10-2012, 10:25 PM
Week 10:
Sunday, November 11, 2012
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Los Angeles Rams (3-5)
At
San Francisco 49ers (6-2)

Location: The Stick
http://nfl49ers.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/100212-stick-header.jpg

Time: 1:25 pm pst
Line: SF -12.5
Announcers (FOX): Chris Myers, Tim Ryan, Jaime Maggio

Rams week. Our supposed rival. Ah, who am I kidding. We stomp these guys perennially. This year seems no different.

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Michael+Crabtree+St+Louis+Rams+v+San+Francisco+SEZ _PXyhUYUl.jpg

So, the Rams were so bad last year. They got the No. 2 pick. They selected this guy:
http://www.sportsgooru.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/robertgriffin2012draft0.jpg
We are officially ****** for the next decade. Heís going to own our division. Probably bring in a couple of Lombardiís. Dammit. Dammit. Dammit.

But hey, they still have their previous Golden Boy, setting up a nice and tidy battle of the #1 overall disappointment QB picks
http://a.espncdn.com/media/motion/2012/1107/com_121107_nfl_CDDAccuSTLSF/com_121107_nfl_CDDAccuSTLSF.jpg

This game will be hard-pressed to beat last yearís 26-0 beating, where this happened:
http://nbcoutofbounds.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/aldonsmith.gif

And this:
http://www.news10.net/images/640/360/2/assetpool/images/111204081935_49erscelebration640.jpg

And then this happened:
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/1204/nfl_a_jimhts_576.jpg

And finally this:
http://blog.sfgate.com/49ers/wp-content/blogs.dir/2277/files/49ers-rams-week-13-highlights/ba-49ers05_ph10__0504678659.jpg

Hard to beat all that.

OK Greg Roman, Iím begging you, unleash the beast:
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We all know heís ďnight and dayĒ worse than Gronkowski, but I happen to think he is awesome. Trust me. He is. You can game plan some targets for him. For reals. Ö Try it.

The Rams have this guy:
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2011/0413/nfl_a_larinaitis_576.jpg
Iím sure there will be a pile somewhere in need of a good jumping-on and I know James Laurinitis is just the man to accept that challenge.

They also have this:
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2012/1005/play_g_robert-quinn_mb_576.jpg
Some people wanted Robert Quinn. The Niners took Aldon Smith. Win.

Ugh, itís never fun to have to face a player that will absolutely try and wreck your career, whether it is legal or not:
http://www4.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Cortland+Finnegan+Green+Bay+Packers+v+St+Louis+JfL B56hTZcrl.jpg
I hate him. Sooooo much. Even more so once he signed with the Rams. **** you Cortland. And seriously? Cortland? Did you grow up living with Carlton as the Fresh Prick of Bel Air?

Well, they always have this guy
http://www.sj39.com/sites/www.sj39.com/files/images/120411_SJ39Huddle.jpg
Although they just donít seem to like him anymore. Sounds a lot like my wife.

But we still got this:
http://media.sacbee.com/smedia/2011/12/11/18/09/kAlu0.St.4.jpg

BTW, Frank is kinda scary:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/common/medialib/223/389341.jpg
I still don't understand how he hasn't been featured in an X-Men movie.

Canít wait to see these guys back in action. They are crazy good this year.
http://nesncom.files.wordpress.com/2012/11/49ers-offensive-line.jpg
A lot of people are talking about the Rams D-line, so I will be keying on this matchup.

The Niners D-line, on the other hand, should prison-rape the Rams Oline.
***No picture for this one. Prison-rape is censored on this site. Also, because Iím super afraid of what Iíll see if I do an image search for prison-rape.

And what the hell, might as well talk his guy:
http://dy.snimg.com/story-image/3/90/4283513/125353-650-366.jpg
Last we saw him, he was on national tv going 18 of 19 with 3 tds and 0 picks. Suck it Sam Bradford.

Standings
NFC West
1. San Francisco 49ers (6-2)
2. Seattle Seahawks (5-4)
3. Arizona Cardinals (4-5)
3. St. Louis Rams (3-5)

Special Note:

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phlysac
11-10-2012, 10:52 PM
Gracias, Borat.

The Special Note is the stamp of approval.

Ness
11-10-2012, 11:50 PM
The Rams in these last few years have looked worse than they did in the 1990's. The 49ers should dominate this game.

VAfy-ya
11-11-2012, 12:23 PM
Going to be hectic day of sports for me. Niners game at 4 pm, Hoyas first game at 6:30pm, want to catch some of the Bears/Texans game, then Lakers at 10 pm...love this time of the year.

49erNation85
11-11-2012, 03:21 PM
Can't wait for some butt kicking in a for mins . Been a while since I've seen the 49ers on tv.Will be nice to watch a blow out ... Get R Done 49ers .

VAfy-ya
11-11-2012, 03:53 PM
WTF is up with our run defense? This looks eerily similar to the Vikings game. And we look super flat....ugh.

Brent
11-11-2012, 03:53 PM
not even the end of the 1st...

http://digboston.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/facepalm.jpg

abaddon41_80
11-11-2012, 03:54 PM
I knew this wasn't going to be a blowout for us but I did not expect a blowout in favor of the Rams, either. Defense getting dominated right now

Borat
11-11-2012, 03:55 PM
Looking a step slow out there.

VAfy-ya
11-11-2012, 03:57 PM
not even the end of the 1st...

http://digboston.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/facepalm.jpg

And we're down 14, looking like ****....not typical fot this team. Same way the Vikings game started off.

Borat
11-11-2012, 04:05 PM
Dammit. And I was soooooo enjoying the Giants' fans melting down about Eli. Guess that will be short-lived.

49erNation85
11-11-2012, 04:05 PM
So like seriously wtf is going on out there 49ers ! Get your **** together. I don't wanna lose to the dam rams dam.

abaddon41_80
11-11-2012, 04:06 PM
This is not looking good

VAfy-ya
11-11-2012, 04:22 PM
Like I keep telling non-Niner fans, all Crabs needed was the WCO and to be utilized in the slot alot more. Having MM and Moss has allowed him to thrive in the middle of the field and now ppl are seeing the YAC and the elusiveness he displayed in college. He may not be a #1, but he can be a very productive and dangerous #2 if utilized correctly.

Borat
11-11-2012, 04:24 PM
Niners need to figure out Craig Dahl's assignment and then throw that way. A lot.

abaddon41_80
11-11-2012, 04:24 PM
Love Goldson so much

Brent
11-11-2012, 04:25 PM
not a pretty game for Culliver.

Borat
11-11-2012, 04:27 PM
not a pretty game for Culliver.

I was just about to post that. Brutal holding there. It was like he was actively trying to get a penalty called on him.

abaddon41_80
11-11-2012, 04:28 PM
Smith injured. Not good

VAfy-ya
11-11-2012, 04:29 PM
oh ****, Alex is hurt. Damn...CK time

Brent
11-11-2012, 04:30 PM
let's hope the Mad Kaep'er shows up

but not likely.

VAfy-ya
11-11-2012, 04:33 PM
Damn, CK misses a WIDE OPEN VD, then a WIDE OPEN K-10. And he's already staring down receivers...this is going to be ugly.

49ersfan_87
11-11-2012, 04:34 PM
As much as i've criticized Alex...don't really think Kaepernick is ready.

And on his first drive, he misses a TD to Davis and then another to Williams.

Brent
11-11-2012, 04:37 PM
Alex officially out of the game. Well, **** me.

VAfy-ya
11-11-2012, 04:38 PM
Gonna need the defense to win this one....gotta create some turnovers

VAfy-ya
11-11-2012, 04:40 PM
I think that's the worst NFL punt I've ever seen lmaoooo

49erNation85
11-11-2012, 04:42 PM
Is Smith out for the game ?

VAfy-ya
11-11-2012, 04:45 PM
^^yes, concussion

abaddon41_80
11-11-2012, 04:49 PM
lol. Gotta give the Rams props for that

VAfy-ya
11-11-2012, 04:57 PM
At this point, idk even care about winning the game. I mean I do but Im more concerned about Alex's availability against the Bears. We CAN NOT have CK make his first career start against that defense. Hopefully Alex makes a speedy recovery.

abaddon41_80
11-11-2012, 05:11 PM
At this point, idk even care about winning the game. I mean I do but Im more concerned about Alex's availability against the Bears. We CAN NOT have CK make his first career start against that defense. Hopefully Alex makes a speedy recovery.

I agree with this. I really don't want to lose to the Rams but I would rather lose and have Alex healthy for next week than win and him still be injured

49erNation85
11-11-2012, 05:18 PM
I agree with you guys about injury. See what Cap has in our offense and sit Smith until next week. Maybe cap can win the job next year boot out Smith .

VAfy-ya
11-11-2012, 05:59 PM
CK seems oblivious to pressure....that's both very good and very bad. This guy scares the **** out of me when he's in the pocket.

49erNation85
11-11-2012, 06:01 PM
Finally a turn over !!!

abaddon41_80
11-11-2012, 06:02 PM
CK seems oblivious to pressure....that's both very good and very bad. This guy scares the **** out of me when he's in the pocket.

It what way is that good?

VAfy-ya
11-11-2012, 06:02 PM
YES!!! turnover!

VAfy-ya
11-11-2012, 06:03 PM
It what way is that good?

He threw two darts with guys draped all over him....that's very good.

VAfy-ya
11-11-2012, 06:05 PM
MOAR GORE!!!! **** yea....

VAfy-ya
11-11-2012, 07:21 PM
You gotta be ******* kidding me Roman with that 3rd and 7 call in OT. Play-action? Who are you fooling? Give the kid a chance man, horrible call. That being said, Akers missed...we had the game. CK did enough to pull out the win. A tie? SMFH....get well Alex.

49ersfan_87
11-11-2012, 07:30 PM
We played like crap and deserved to lose. We got lucky with the Rams making mistake after mistake (delay of game on FG, illegal formation on 80 yard pass).

Kaep looked awful in the beginning but he had 183 yards and a TD. Also put us in position to win the game in OT. But our playcalling when we had 1st down inside the 25 was horrendous. Run up the middle, pitch, run up the middle...we lost yardage and Akers missed the kick. I'm literally sick that we didn't even attempt to pass/have a Kaep run (which was a very well working play today).

We better clean up our issues before we play the Bears. And there's no QB controversy with us, although i feel slightly better if CK has to start.

And i assume the tie is better for us than a loss when it comes to divisional/playoff standing (the Seahawks won and are going to make it a fight).

Menardo75
11-11-2012, 07:50 PM
Wow I was really surprised Fangio refused to take Rodgers off of Amendola. Carlos has proven he really struggles with small quick slot receivers. Brown or Culliver would have have been a much better matchup.

Hard not to be happy with Kap he had a nice game after he settled down. Give the team a chance to win which is all you can really ask for from your backup QB. I think The Niners win this game if Alex doesn't get knocked out he was carving them up before he left.

The Tie sucks but it could be worse. Alex really needs to be healthy for the Bears game. The Bears defense is a bad matchup for the offense, and they will need everybody at their best.

dan77733
11-11-2012, 07:51 PM
Just a few notes -

1) I HATE ties. The NFL needs to eliminate the possibility of games ending in a tie. Granted, its rare but after almost four hours and a week of preparation, training, gameplanning, etc., its not fair to either team for the game to end in a tie. Yeah, the tie is better than a loss but (get ready guys), I rather LOSE than have a TIE. I hate TIES with a passion. Its nothing more than a total and complete waste of time period. NFL needs to eliminate the time in OT and ties.

2) Harbaugh is a ******* ***** (cat)!!! Stop with this lame crap. In OT, give Kaepernick a chance to win the damn game instead of just assuming that Akers wont miss. Sorry but I knew he was missing the FG because I have seen it done is plenty of games time and time again. You play like a chicken **** and guess what, you lose. Well, in this case, you tie but majority of the time, you lose.

3) I actually hope Smith is OUT for a while because Kapernick is the future anyway. He played bad in the first half but he played better in the second half. He has the arm strength and accuracy. All will argue about the accuracy but him missing Davis and not seeing Williams has nothing to do with accuracy. That has to do with being scared of making a mistake. Being scared of making a mistake is the worst thing you can be because thats when you will make mistakes. Just play. Whatever happens, happens but just play the damn game. Kaepernick just needs more time under center but with his dual threat ability, he CAN be our franchise QB and quite honestly, if we're down by ten points or more, I have more confidence in Kaepernick being able to bring us back because of his arm. With Smith, not going to happen.

4) Defense is overrated. And Rogers sucks. He doesnt have the speed to keep up with a young small fast receiver yet, im the only one in the world who must realize that because despite getting beat, he continued to be covering a receiver that he shouldnt have been covering to begin with. We need to blitz more and get more pressure on opposing QB's. Smith, McDonald, Smith and Brooks arent getting it done on a consistent basis. Need to send more pressure so the QB has to be forced to get rid of the ball faster. Also, this should hopefully create more turnovers. Seriously, our defense gets outplayed by Bradford and Amendola with no turnovers??? You've got to be kidding me.

5) Be more aggressive on offense with the passing game. Throw down the field here and there with the hopes of keeping the defense honest. Also, all these receivers and on plays when Kaepernick is getting pressured, am I the only one who's thinking short inside slant? Those work. I've seen them so many damn times. Come on. Harbaugh may have changed the culture and whatnot but at times, he's the same chicken **** that Singletary and Nolan were.

Want to WIN the ******* game??? Well, go out and TAKE the ******* WIN!!! Nothing is guaranteed (just like the Akers FG winning kick that didnt happen). Not try to win or hope to win or get the win. NO. TAKE the ******* WIN!!! Instead of running Gore before the missed FG, go get more yards and get the TD for the win. Such pansy ass crap. I'm so ******* sick and tired of it. Its the same crap but with a different HC. Teams that win are the teams that are aggressive, have a passing attack and score TD's. Not pansy ass lets just setup for the FG despite it only being a first down plays. UGH.

I'm so pissed and not even into watching the 49ers at this point. UGH.

(let the bashing begin)

VAfy-ya
11-11-2012, 07:58 PM
We played like crap and deserved to lose. We got lucky with the Rams making mistake after mistake (delay of game on FG, illegal formation on 80 yard pass).

Kaep looked awful in the beginning but he had 183 yards and a TD. Also put us in position to win the game in OT. But our playcalling when we had 1st down inside the 25 was horrendous. Run up the middle, pitch, run up the middle...we lost yardage and Akers missed the kick. I'm literally sick that we didn't even attempt to pass/have a Kaep run (which was a very well working play today).

We better clean up our issues before we play the Bears. And there's no QB controversy with us, although i feel slightly better if CK has to start.

And i assume the tie is better for us than a loss when it comes to divisional/playoff standing (the Seahawks won and are going to make it a fight).

I had no problem with the play-calling on that drive. How many near fumble did CK almost have in the pocket today? We have(well we had) one of the best FG kickers in the game, with a kick he normally makes in his sleep. Offense did everything needed to win. Akers didn't. That's the bottom line.

Defense, Akers, and ST cost us a potential win. Defense let Sam freaking Bradford almost pull a Elway on them. I know I gave them a vote of confidence in the discussion thread but Cowboy and Ray-Mac are damn near a non-factor at rushing the passer up to this point, outside of stunts. The pass-rush has been strictly the OLBs. And they're not plugging gaps with frequency, against the run, like they were last year. No way that O-Line should have gouged us like that in the run game. Stats say otherwise, but my eyes tell me that the front seven(and maybe Rogers)has lost a step from last year.

VAfy-ya
11-11-2012, 08:06 PM
Just a few notes -

1) I HATE ties. The NFL needs to eliminate the possibility of games ending in a tie. Granted, its rare but after almost four hours and a week of preparation, training, gameplanning, etc., its not fair to either team for the game to end in a tie. Yeah, the tie is better than a loss but (get ready guys), I rather LOSE than have a TIE. I hate TIES with a passion. Its nothing more than a total and complete waste of time period. NFL needs to eliminate the time in OT and ties.

2) Harbaugh is a ******* ***** (cat)!!! Stop with this lame crap. In OT, give Kaepernick a chance to win the damn game instead of just assuming that Akers wont miss. Sorry but I knew he was missing the FG because I have seen it done is plenty of games time and time again. You play like a chicken **** and guess what, you lose. Well, in this case, you tie but majority of the time, you lose.

3) I actually hope Smith is OUT for a while because Kapernick is the future anyway. He played bad in the first half but he played better in the second half. He has the arm strength and accuracy. All will argue about the accuracy but him missing Davis and not seeing Williams has nothing to do with accuracy. That has to do with being scared of making a mistake. Being scared of making a mistake is the worst thing you can be because thats when you will make mistakes. Just play. Whatever happens, happens but just play the damn game. Kaepernick just needs more time under center but with his dual threat ability, he CAN be our franchise QB and quite honestly, if we're down by ten points or more, I have more confidence in Kaepernick being able to bring us back because of his arm. With Smith, not going to happen.

4) Defense is overrated. And Rogers sucks. He doesnt have the speed to keep up with a young small fast receiver yet, im the only one in the world who must realize that because despite getting beat, he continued to be covering a receiver that he shouldnt have been covering to begin with. We need to blitz more and get more pressure on opposing QB's. Smith, McDonald, Smith and Brooks arent getting it done on a consistent basis. Need to send more pressure so the QB has to be forced to get rid of the ball faster. Also, this should hopefully create more turnovers. Seriously, our defense gets outplayed by Bradford and Amendola with no turnovers??? You've got to be kidding me.

5) Be more aggressive on offense with the passing game. Throw down the field here and there with the hopes of keeping the defense honest. Also, all these receivers and on plays when Kaepernick is getting pressured, am I the only one who's thinking short inside slant? Those work. I've seen them so many damn times. Come on. Harbaugh may have changed the culture and whatnot but at times, he's the same chicken **** that Singletary and Nolan were.

Want to WIN the ******* game??? Well, go out and TAKE the ******* WIN!!! Nothing is guaranteed (just like the Akers FG winning kick that didnt happen). Not try to win or hope to win or get the win. NO. TAKE the ******* WIN!!! Instead of running Gore before the missed FG, go get more yards and get the TD for the win. Such pansy ass crap. I'm so ******* sick and tired of it. Its the same crap but with a different HC. Teams that win are the teams that are aggressive, have a passing attack and score TD's. Not pansy ass lets just setup for the FG despite it only being a first down plays. UGH.

I'm so pissed and not even into watching the 49ers at this point. UGH.

(let the bashing begin)

You deserve to get bashed for that God-awful reasoning. CK is not ready. I understand he settled down, but he played ok, not great. He had just as many negatives as positive. He locks on to his main read and if it isnt there, he drops his eyes and takes off. That wont cut in the NFL and certainty won't cut it for a team with SB aspirations. He did just enough today, but once tape of him gets around, he will be eaten alive by opposing DC's. You can quote me on that.

Menardo75
11-11-2012, 08:23 PM
You deserve to get bashed for that God-awful reasoning. CK is not ready. I understand he settled down, but he played ok, not great. He had just as many negatives as positive. He locks on to his main read and if it isnt there, he drops his eyes and takes off. That wont cut in the NFL and certainty won't cut it for a team with SB aspirations. He did just enough today, but once tape of him gets around, he will be eaten alive by opposing DC's. You can quote me on that.

Exactly if Kap was ready he would be in there.

abaddon41_80
11-11-2012, 08:30 PM
Would like to blame this on the defense, who did play really poorly, and the special teams but the special teams did get us the ball at the 20 and without that I doubt we even force OT. I don't think we learned anything new about Kaepernick. He showed that he has a strong arm and that he can run, which we already knew.

Kaep definitely didn't hesitate to pull the trigger in a few situations that Alex might have but there were also a few more when he held the ball even longer than Alex. Is it possible that are receivers just aren't getting even slightly open that often?

Ness
11-11-2012, 08:46 PM
I haven't watched the entire game yet, as I was looking at houses today in the southbay. I thought this would be an easy win and the Rams would get stomped. I kept up by bar hopping and looking at my phone, which was a major drag that I hope never happens again since that game was so long. But from what I saw it just looked like the defense let the Rams do whatever the hell they wanted. If Alex doesn't get hurt, I bet the 49ers find a way to win that game. From the clips I did see, Kaepernick looked bad. Apparently he settled down later, and I'll have to see, but whoever was for starting Kaepernick was out of their minds. It's clear he obviously doesn't have the experience yet to take the next step. No way. He'll get killed against the Bears if he is forced into action. I hope Smith is ready next week.

As for the tie, it bothers me, but at least it's better than a loss. This is going to put more pressure on coming out on top against Chicago now at home. I just don't know the defense plays so flat sometimes. Really different compared to last season. Maybe the bye and the extra time off resulted in some rust. That and or the Rams just had a really good gameplan.

binary
11-11-2012, 09:28 PM
You deserve to get bashed for that God-awful reasoning. CK is not ready. I understand he settled down, but he played ok, not great. He had just as many negatives as positive. He locks on to his main read and if it isnt there, he drops his eyes and takes off. That wont cut in the NFL and certainty won't cut it for a team with SB aspirations. He did just enough today, but once tape of him gets around, he will be eaten alive by opposing DC's. You can quote me on that.

Thank you, dan's post was freaking ********.

dan77733
11-11-2012, 09:38 PM
Sorry but in a sport thats hard hitting and a lot of impact, the possibility of ties shouldnt exist and need to be eliminated. I would rather lose than tie because at least the game had a winner and a loser. A tie is just a waste of time period. No point in even playing if the game ends in a tie. But hey, thats just me.

As for Kaepernick, the only way he'll get better is with experience and the only way he'll get that is by playing. Not by sitting on the bench or coming in for a play here and there.

SB aspirations? More like SB fantasies. Team isnt good enough to get to the Super Bowl let alone win it. And the defense is nowhere near what it was a year ago. Stats and our 6-2-1 (UGH) record are definitely deceiving. We'll see what happens next Monday night against the Bears.

Menardo75
11-11-2012, 09:48 PM
Sorry but in a sport thats hard hitting and a lot of impact, the possibility of ties shouldnt exist and need to be eliminated. I would rather lose than tie because at least the game had a winner and a loser. A tie is just a waste of time period. No point in even playing if the game ends in a tie. But hey, thats just me.

As for Kaepernick, the only way he'll get better is with experience and the only way he'll get that is by playing. Not by sitting on the bench or coming in for a play here and there.

SB aspirations? More like SB fantasies. Team isnt good enough to get to the Super Bowl let alone win it. And the defense is nowhere near what it was a year ago. Stats and our 6-2-1 (UGH) record are definitely deceiving. We'll see what happens next Monday night against the Bears.

Typical Dan loves the Niners only if they win. If there is a loss or a tie the sky is falling and the team is doomed. Get real.

Ness
11-11-2012, 09:52 PM
Sorry but in a sport thats hard hitting and a lot of impact, the possibility of ties shouldnt exist and need to be eliminated. I would rather lose than tie because at least the game had a winner and a loser. A tie is just a waste of time period. No point in even playing if the game ends in a tie. But hey, thats just me.

As for Kaepernick, the only way he'll get better is with experience and the only way he'll get that is by playing. Not by sitting on the bench or coming in for a play here and there.

SB aspirations? More like SB fantasies. Team isnt good enough to get to the Super Bowl let alone win it. And the defense is nowhere near what it was a year ago. Stats and our 6-2-1 (UGH) record are definitely deceiving. We'll see what happens next Monday night against the Bears.

So you hope Alex is out indefinitely so Kaepernick can come in, struggle, and get killed while our team's season proceeds to go down the drain. Yeah, real smart Dan. Kaepernick isn't going to come in here and pull a Tom Brady. Get real.

VAfy-ya
11-11-2012, 09:54 PM
Would like to blame this on the defense, who did play really poorly, and the special teams but the special teams did get us the ball at the 20 and without that I doubt we even force OT. I don't think we learned anything new about Kaepernick. He showed that he has a strong arm and that he can run, which we already knew.

Kaep definitely didn't hesitate to pull the trigger in a few situations that Alex might have but there were also a few more when he held the ball even longer than Alex. Is it possible that are receivers just aren't getting even slightly open that often?

No, its not the WRs. Alex was gashing them before he left the game. I'm confident we win this game if he plays it out. CK doesn't even seem to realize when its a blitz, he has a hot read. Its about anticipating defenses, reading coverage and knowing where to go with the ball. Its the little things that CK hasn't mastered yet. Good-Great QBs tend to play the game more like its chess. CK more often than not plays QB like its checkers....jump around and try to make something happen. It was one time where he killed a play and went to a pass when the defense was CLEARLY on a run blitz to the opposite side. I can almost guarantee Alex just simply audibles for the play to be run in the opposite direction, or audibles to the pass play and goes quickly to a hot read. CK drops back like its a normal four man rush and the blitz is one him and the play goes no where.

You have to crawl before you walk. CK hasn't crawled yet. He can throw hard and he can run....that's all he's shown, your absolutely right. Maybe ppl don't remember a guy named Troy Smith. He was very similar to what CK is now. You have to prove as a QB in the NFL, that you can win with your arm FIRST, not the other way around. And as a QB, the game is mental first, then physical. CK still needs to work on the mental aspects of the position. Right now, he doesn't have a clue what defenses are trying to do to him in certain situations and how to exploit it consistently. And also his accuracy has been crap if it isn't a bullet.

I bash Alex alot but one thing about him, he rarely gets beat mentally on the football field. Its usually him unable to make a play physically, but he understands when and where the ball should go 9/10 times. I just think physically, he sometimes question if he can make the play, which cause him to play it safe, more often than not. CK hasn't learned restraint yet....when not to force it, when not to try and make something happen and just chuck the ball out of bounds. Some ppl may say that's a good thing because he makes something out of nothing. But you look at guys like Romo and Vick, who show little restraint on the field and turn the ball over a ton, and ask yourself do you really want to go through what their fan-bases are going through right now? CK has already fumbled 4 times in his limited reps this year. We lose one of his two fumbles today, game over, Rams win. It's a fine line and a slippery slope. Even finer with a inexperienced QB, still finding his way.

VAfy-ya
11-11-2012, 10:13 PM
And my post wasn't to bash CK. Kid showed alot of good in the second half. But he's just not ready at this point. Yes, I know I'm comparing him to a 7 year vet but the question is simple....who gives us the better chance to win? Right now, that is clearly Alex. CK needs another off-season/TC of tutelage. Then maybe we can talk about him starting.

VAfy-ya
11-11-2012, 10:29 PM
And reports are saying Alex suffered the concussion on the QB sneak, not the hit by the LB the drive before.

abaddon41_80
11-11-2012, 10:32 PM
That would make more sense. I didn't even think he got hit in the head on the big hit in the back

Menardo75
11-11-2012, 10:33 PM
Gore had x-rays too said he was fine and just sore.

Ness
11-11-2012, 10:35 PM
SAN FRANCISCO -- Knocked out of Sunday's 24-24 tie with a concussion, quarterback Alex Smith's next step will be to meet with an independent neurologist before he can return to action for the 49ers.

League protocol protects Smith from rushing back too fast, and he first will be measured against his baseline testing from the offseason. From there, Smith will proceed to nonfootball activities and noncontact drills before fully practicing.

"He seems all right," Colin Kaepernick, Smith's replacement, said. "Obviously he's a little shaken up, but he seems OK."

League rules prohibit concussed players from addressing the media after games.

Smith last suffered a documented concussion in last season's home opener against the Dallas Cowboys. He played the entire game, and he didn't experience symptoms until afterward.

Smith exited Sunday's game after completing 7 of 8 passes for 72 yards with a touchdown pass to Michael Crabtree and a 143.8 passer rating. His only incompletion came when he overthrew Mario Manningham near the sideline. Smith was coming off an 18-of-19 passing display in a 24-3 win at Arizona on Oct. 29.

Left tackle Joe Staley and reserve offensive lineman Daniel Kilgore are the only other 49ers to leave games this season with concussions, doing so last month and not missing their ensuing game.

http://www.mercurynews.com/49ers/ci_21978508/san-francisco-49ers-notebook-alex-smith-needs-follow

Please be cleared to play Alex. 49ers really need to win this next game. League rules prohibit concussed players from addressing the media after games. And the Seahawks could seriously make a push for the division crown as the season draws to a close. Their remaining opponents aren't that difficult.

phlysac
11-11-2012, 11:03 PM
As for Kaepernick, the only way he'll get better is with experience and the only way he'll get that is by playing. Not by sitting on the bench or coming in for a play here and there.

Good thing Favre let Aaron Rodgers play all the time in Green Bay. If not, he never would've gotten the experience to get better.

49ersfan_87
11-12-2012, 01:07 AM
Just a very weird game all around, especially offensively. Some defensive thoughts...

After not allowing a 100 yard rusher since 2009, we've now allowed 3 100 yard rushers in our last 4 games.

We suck against quick and shifty slot receivers.

Our defense has had a lot of dominating performances and a lot of average at best performances. Today was below average. 14 points to start the game, a 8 minute drive in the 3rd which gave up 3 points, and a late drive down the field when our D should have been clutch. Not to mention that 80 yarder...

Next game is against Chicago. We have to cut down on the mistakes. We can't let their D and ST's score TD's and we have to protect the football. Jason Campbell is a checkdown machine and i'm not worried about him. Cutler can be hit or miss but has been kind of a non factor this year. I'm more worried about Forte bullying our D tbh.

Ness
11-12-2012, 02:40 AM
Well, we as fans should have known our defense wasn't going to be like last season's ever year. That being said, this is the time where it's up to your offense to actually pick up the slack and start scoring more points.

Oh, and Alex Smith looked like he was already getting abused even before he left. Needlessly. I'm starting to wonder if he'll ever learn to just throw the ball away instead of taking a sack. At this point I don't care if he gets an intentional grounding, at least it would be progress.

VAfy-ya
11-12-2012, 04:45 AM
Well, we as fans should have known our defense wasn't going to be like last season's ever year. That being said, this is the time where it's up to your offense to actually pick up the slack and start scoring more points.

Oh, and Alex Smith looked like he was already getting abused even before he left. Needlessly. I'm starting to wonder if he'll ever learn to just throw the ball away instead of taking a sack. At this point I don't care if he gets an intentional grounding, at least it would be progress.

Why should we be expect them to be worst? This is their second year in the scheme and they returned all 11 starters. We have a two All-Pro ILBs, one of the best young pass-rushers in the game, a very good 5-Tech, a All-Word 5-Tech, a Pro Bowl CB, A Pro Bowl FS, and very underrated strong-side OLB, nickelback and SS...they should he dominating offenses like the Rams and the Vikings. This ain't the Giants we talking about here.

Point blank, I think this defense feels like they can just show up and opposing offenses are just going to bow down to them. Last year, before they were hyped up by the media and everyone was singing their praises, this group played with a chip on their shoulder. They played mad, like they had to take their respect from the opponents on the field. Like nobody respected how they played as a unit. That chip is gone. This team just assumes that someone else will make a play instead of going out and playing like "I" need to make a play. There's no excuse for Justin Smith and McDonald to have .5 sacks between the two of them. We gave up 468 yards to a offense who hadn't done jack for 3 straight weeks. Our last game before this one, we let a bum-ass John Skelton throw for nearly 300 yards. This defense is absolutely better than the effort they have given most Sunday's this season. We as fans know it because we witnessed first hand last year, how these guys play when they're dialed-in. I don't think they are, for what ever reason. Maybe they think their **** don't stink? Well it does....has been for awhile now.

Sure some teams may have caught on to some of our tendencies but still fundamentally, we aren't as sharpe as we were last year. Maybe Fangio has to get more creative....IDK, but whatever it is, they need to figure it out quick because this team is built around being physically dominant on both sides of the ball and as of right now, the defensive side isn't getting done.

Ness
11-12-2012, 06:25 AM
Well I just think it seemed like everyone had a career year last season. Maybe some guys don't care that much when teams like the Rams roll into town. Maybe the coaching staff isn't being hard enough. I have no idea. Although I get the feeling in general that the majority of guys in the NFL are just looking out for themselves anyways. It is what it is. At this point I just hope we somehow manage to beat the Bears, because the Saints are next after that.

abaddon41_80
11-12-2012, 07:38 AM
I expected the defense to regress a little bit. Rogers and Whitner both had career years last season but both also trailed off in the second half.

The main problem, though, is Justin Smith. He was one of the most dominating defensive linemen ever from 2009-2011 and it was just impossible to keep up that level of play for that long. He is still playing great but he isn't playing at that level. Our defense, especially our front seven, relied on him playing at that level. If he could only be blocked if he was double-teamed, which was the case in recent years, than that meant there were less people to block Sopoaga and McDonald, which in turn meant there were less people to block the linebackers. Everything runs through Smith.

VAfy-ya
11-12-2012, 12:22 PM
I expected the defense to regress a little bit. Rogers and Whitner both had career years last season but both also trailed off in the second half.

The main problem, though, is Justin Smith. He was one of the most dominating defensive linemen ever from 2009-2011 and it was just impossible to keep up that level of play for that long. He is still playing great but he isn't playing at that level. Our defense, especially our front seven, relied on him playing at that level. If he could only be blocked if he was double-teamed, which was the case in recent years, than that meant there were less people to block Sopoaga and McDonald, which in turn meant there were less people to block the linebackers. Everything runs through Smith.

True to an extent but its more than just Cowboy losing a step. Sopoaga has been inconsistent. We haven't been as disciplined with gap responsibility. Both Willis and Bowman seem like their not getting off blocks like they did last year. Everyone just looks a step slower and a second late, far too often. The back-end has held up pretty good. Whitner started out slow but has come on as of late. Goldson has balled so hard. Rogers definitely looks like he has lost a step. Not just because Amendola worked him, Amendola is the second best slot WR in the league after Harvin, he just plays on the Rams so nobody shows him any love. Its the fact that he's technique has been sloppy at times. Just doesn't look as sharp as last year. Age will do that to you....which is why I was somewhat hesitant about giving him that contract.

And then sometimes a little success can breed complacency. Sure guys may say the right things, but are they staying late, watching film? Are they taking film home to study, identifying their weakness and where opponents are attacking them? When you get some success in the NFL, you have to work that much harder to sustain it because this league identifies and adapts like none other. If they're working just as hard as they did last year, then they aren't working hard enough.

Ness
11-12-2012, 02:21 PM
We should keep this in mind. Even though it's not a loss, it still counts as a half win and the the NFC division leaders lost except San Francisco. They are currently third in the NFC race and will control their own destiny for the number two seed in their final six weeks of the season if they beat the Bears Monday.

dan77733
11-12-2012, 02:59 PM
So you hope Alex is out indefinitely so Kaepernick can come in, struggle, and get killed while our team's season proceeds to go down the drain. Yeah, real smart Dan. Kaepernick isn't going to come in here and pull a Tom Brady. Get real.

Sorry but we're NOT getting to the SB this year let alone winning it. When this team cant even beat the Rams and Danny Amendola kicks the defenses ass, there's problems. Who's to say that Kaepernick cant play good? You dont know unless he plays. Any game we get behind in with Smith, we're not coming back to win so you can forget it. Add in the fact that Harbaugh will never fully take the chains off of Smith and that Kaepernick is HIS guy that he drafted. Now is the time to play Kaepernick. I dont see Smith being cleared for the Bears game and against their defense which is better than ours because they can create turnovers almost at will, Kaepernick is actually a better option because of his scrambling and running ability. Smith will get crushed in the pocket especially coming off a concussion. Kaepernick's size and speed actually make him a better option for us against the Bears.

People can say that the game ended in a tie but to me, its a loss because how the hell does the defense get outplayed, outhustled by three guys - Jackson, Amendola and Bradford. Come on. We should have CRUSHED them. This is where that pansy ass play calling needs to go along with any gimmick crap. This team should be dominating crappy teams like the Rams. Not ending the game in a 24-24 tie after overtime with Harbaugh depending on Akers who sorry, I knew he was missing that kick. You can just feel that a mile away. Instead of being aggressive and trying to score a TD or get closer, Harbaugh basically just played chicken and you're not going to win that way. Mark my words, the 49ers will never get back to a SB let alone win it with the way they're playing. The team is way too laid back and consertative. Considering the talent level of this year, they should be crushing teams like the Rams. Not having a losing battle (or in this case, I tied battle).

You guys can bash me all you want but the reality is that this team isnt as good as you guys think it is. The truly great teams dont lose to crappy ass teams like the Rams. They crush them and blow them out by halftime. All the weapons that this team added and they STILL cant average 30 points a game. I said it all off-season that if we could just get to the 30 point mark, we'll win 90% of the time but this team just doesnt have the offense that it should have and its pathetic. Getting outgained by the Rams offense is sad and pathetic. Everyone here knows but no one has the balls to say it. 49ers are overrated period. They had their chance last year and blew it. Now, no one is being surprised by us and are 100% ready for our boring lame ass running game that when we're winning by 10 or more is great but when you're losing, its time to start airing it up to the receivers because whats the point in signing Moss and Manningham to have next to Crabtree, Davis and Williams if they arent being used properly?

I hope we beat the Bears but if the team plays like we did yesterday, I wouldnt be shocked if we get blown out especially since the Bears defense can cause so many turnovers thats its truly amazing because its on a consistent basis. Our defense has not gotten the turnovers that we were getting last year. Quite simply, everything fell into place last year for us to win the SB. This year, despite the record, not even close. And here's another thing - Rogers sucks. He's too old and too damn slow to keep up with a fast receiver like Amendola, Cruz, etc. Sorry, but im seeing this a mile away yet no one here sees this? Or more importantly, the coaching staff? Rogers gets beat more times than not and I said that he was going to decline and he is. Everyone was happy that the entire defense was brought back except me because I already knew that they were going to be complacent. The defense thinks that they can just show up and they'll win but the Rams showed yesterday thats not going to happen.

Bottom line is that this team needs to start playing with a killer instinct and an aggressive kick your ass style because this pansy ass crap isnt going to win you a damn thing.

Good thing Favre let Aaron Rodgers play all the time in Green Bay. If not, he never would've gotten the experience to get better.

HUGE difference. As much I hate him, Favre was one of the all time great QB's and a Legend in GB. Rogers learned from him and had the same offense since day one. While Kaepernick has the same offense around him since day one, he has no legend ahead of him playing QB. He has an average at best QB period. It's taken me a long time to agree with Ness but in regards to Smith, I agree that he's not winning us a SB period. If the Rams were an elite team and we were down 14-0, we wouldnt even have been able to get to OT. The few games Rodgers played when Favre was injured, he played good. The only thing that truly hurts Kaepernick is the lack off an off-season in 2011 because he's basically, a year behind.

Kaepernick being able to throw the ball down field just to keep the defense honest instead of stacking the box against Gore, etc. is a far better asset than what Smith offers us. Smith is the veteran and makes few mistakes but at the same time, Harbaugh and Roman arent exactly telling him to go out and win us a game. Smith is basically out there to keep the game close, not lose it and give us a chance to win at the end.

Cant speak for anyone else but I think thats a crappy ass way to play. But to each his/her own.

49ersfan_87
11-12-2012, 03:07 PM
Whats up with Akers?

https://twitter.com/Eric_Branch/status/268056505708851201

Working on blog on #49ers David Akers. Shocking stat: He ranks 30th in NFL in FG percentage (71.4).

dan77733
11-12-2012, 03:35 PM
^^^^^ Legatron my ass.

binary
11-12-2012, 03:49 PM
dan, take a timeout bro, go to your room or something. Gore was dominant WITH Smith at QB. Smith is probably one of the best pre-snap QBS in the league and definitely in the top tier vs the blitz. With Kap they are going to run blitz and stack the box even more.

dan77733
11-12-2012, 03:53 PM
dan, take a timeout bro, go to your room or something. Gore was dominant WITH Smith at QB. Smith is probably one of the best pre-snap QBS in the league and definitely in the top tier vs the blitz. With Kap they are going to run blitz and stack the box even more.

Gore can be dominant with Kaepernick too. And when Smith audibles or whatever, he gets sacked half the time. Regardless of whether its Smith or not, I dont see the Bears gameplan changing. They will blitz Kaepernick because of his lack of experience and they will blitz Smith because he's a pocket passer and while he can run here and there, he's nowhere near the mobility of Kaepernick which makes him a sitting duck.

Oh well, another week and we'll find out.

abaddon41_80
11-12-2012, 04:11 PM
If Kaepernick is contained in the pocket he has not shown that he can overcome it. Yesterday the plays he made were outside of the pocket with his legs. People talk about the offense being one-dimensional with Smith but it is more one-dimensional with Kaepernick.

Smith may not be the athlete that Kaepernick is but he is definitely not a sitting duck back there. He is definitely on of the more athletic starting QBs in the league.

Ness
11-12-2012, 06:17 PM
If Kaepernick is contained in the pocket he has not shown that he can overcome it. Yesterday the plays he made were outside of the pocket with his legs. People talk about the offense being one-dimensional with Smith but it is more one-dimensional with Kaepernick.

Smith may not be the athlete that Kaepernick is but he is definitely not a sitting duck back there. He is definitely on of the more athletic starting QBs in the league.

I was terrified when Kaepernick decided to attempt a throw. Not saying he's Tim Tebow, but man he was not good. He made Alex Smith look like Warren Moon out there.

VAfy-ya
11-12-2012, 06:48 PM
^^^^^ Legatron my ass.

Ummm that's what they called the Rams kicker, not Akers

And FYI Dan, Alex is one on the LEAST blitz QBs in the league. With guys like Moss, MM, and VD, no team is going to continually blitz him because if its one thing Alex has proven is that he can kill teams who blitz him, leaving guys like VD one-on-one. Just ask Gregg Williams.

abaddon41_80
11-12-2012, 06:56 PM
iirc, didn't Alex have the best QB rating in the league against the blitz last year?

VAfy-ya
11-12-2012, 07:04 PM
I was terrified when Kaepernick decided to attempt a throw. Not saying he's Tim Tebow, but man he was not good. He made Alex Smith look like Warren Moon out there.

It's the accuracy that scares me with him. If you go back to TC, all the beat writers were commenting on how CK's downfield accuracy and touch on throws where he didn't need a ton of velocity, left a lot to be desired. Go back to pre-season. He look very ordinary the first 3 games before looking great in the last one on such throws.

And then there's the fact he holds the ball WAY too long in the pocket a lot of times. I mean he seems to sense pressure ok but there were a lot of near misses of some sack- fumbles with him. And I hate the way he holds the ball away from his body when he starts to scramble. Tuck the ******* ball.

Ness
11-12-2012, 07:58 PM
It's the accuracy that scares me with him. If you go back to TC, all the beat writers were commenting on how CK's downfield accuracy and touch on throws where he didn't need a ton of velocity, left a lot to be desired. Go back to pre-season. He look very ordinary the first 3 games before looking great in the last one on such throws.

And then there's the fact he holds the ball WAY too long in the pocket a lot of times. I mean he seems to sense pressure ok but there were a lot of near misses of some sack- fumbles with him. And I hate the way he holds the ball away from his body when he starts to scramble. Tuck the ******* ball.
Doesn't matter. Dan thinks we should start him. LOL talk about knee jerk reactions.

binary
11-12-2012, 11:07 PM
I don't know how anyone could say this team has no shot at a ring at this stage, that is absolutely ludicrous. When a team loses it's starting QB down by a TD, they usually don't pull off a tie. While the D may not be as stout as last year, the passing game is definitely on an incline and Crabtree is blossoming along with Alex. I almost feel like anyone who says "throw kap out there, team has no shot anyways" should be banned. The freaking Giants were what, 9-7 last year? Anything can happen when you have elite talent all over a roster like we do.

Ness
11-12-2012, 11:23 PM
I loved the bit of Dan's argument where he said any game we get behind in with Smith we're not coming back to win it. I guess Dan didn't see the playoffs last season against New Orleans. Or the game against the Lions and Eagles last year. Dan = FAIL.

Borat
11-12-2012, 11:37 PM
I loved the bit of Dan's argument where he said any game we get behind in with Smith we're not coming back to win it. I guess Dan didn't see the playoffs last season against New Orleans. Or the game against the Lions and Eagles last year. Dan = FAIL.

Or the fact that Alex JUST lead them on a 12-play TD drive while getting hurt. That cut the lead down to 7. I mean, HOW THE **** CAN ALEX SMITH LEAD THEM ON ANOTHER TD DRIVE OVER THE COURSE OF THE FINAL 3 QUARTERS. THAT'S ABSURD!!!!!!!!!!!

Ness
11-12-2012, 11:39 PM
Or the fact that Alex JUST lead them on a 12-play TD drive while getting hurt. That cut the lead down to 7. I mean, HOW THE **** CAN ALEX SMITH LEAD THEM ON ANOTHER TD DRIVE OVER THE COURSE OF THE FINAL 3 QUARTERS. THAT'S ABSURD!!!!!!!!!!!

http://i.minus.com/iI2MPU7NkyYUk.gif

abaddon41_80
11-13-2012, 08:08 AM
Honestly, after that last drive that Smith led, did anyone feel like we weren't going to come back and win that game if he stayed in?

dan77733
11-13-2012, 10:36 AM
Smith's comeback wins against the Saints and Eagles were LAST SEASON and neither doesnt mean a damn thing this year.

Smith came back against the Rams to cut it to 14-7. Here's an idea, how about scoring first so we dont have to come back to win? Especially against a team that basically beat us with THREE guys. How the hell can we lose (or tie even though I still consider it a loss) to THREE guys?

Whatever. We'll see what happens. One thing is for sure, my confidence in this team is not what it was a year ago. Defense is overrated. Offense still cant score more than 23ppg and special teams is a joke with the crappy return game, getting faked on punts and Akers sucking up a storm.

But yeah, we're easily Super Bowl contenders.

And there's a HUGE difference between the Giants and us. Giants have an ELITE QB in Eli Manning who's clutch in December/January. We have Smith and Kaepernick. Not even worth discussing.

dan77733
11-13-2012, 10:39 AM
I hope Kaepernick starts Monday night. I really do. He's the future anyway and I rather see him play sooner rather than later. If he sucks, we go back to average Smith but if he puts up a good game and gets us a win, no way in hell do I want Smith to start another game.

49erNation85
11-13-2012, 10:48 AM
I think last night during the football I thought I heard the Kap will start next along with Campell for the Bears.

dan77733
11-13-2012, 10:56 AM
I dont care who starts for the Bears but yeah, im hoping that Kaepernick starts. Time to get this guy on the field, let him play and see what he can do. You dont trade up in the second round to draft a QB just to use him as a gadget play guy.

phlysac
11-13-2012, 11:06 AM
I dont care who starts for the Bears but yeah, im hoping that Kaepernick starts. Time to get this guy on the field, let him play and see what he can do. You dont trade up in the second round to draft a QB just to use him as a gadget play guy.

Do you draft a QB in the 1st round to let him sit on the bench for 3 full seasons before he starts?

dan77733
11-13-2012, 01:05 PM
Do you draft a QB in the 1st round to let him sit on the bench for 3 full seasons before he starts?

NO but there's a huge difference in letting a late first round draft pick who slid but who's behind an all time great QB as opposed to a high second round draft pick who's behind an average at best QB. HUGE difference and people need to stop comparing the two because if you switch them, the same damn thing happens but its the opposite player.

dan77733
11-13-2012, 01:10 PM
I dont know whats with you guys. A decade of mediocrity must have made you all used to the same crap. When Smith played bad against the Giants, im pretty sure some of you had enough of him but now, all of a sudden, he has to start? Give me a break. You guys are basically the opposite. I never said to start Kaepernick when Smith was healthy but coming off a concussion against the Bears defense isnt exactly the smartest decision so while starting Kaepernick isnt the smartest decision either, it makes more sense than starting Smith especially considering the fact that Kaepernick is 100% healthy and Smith isnt. That right there should end this argument but im sure it wont.

Borat
11-13-2012, 01:52 PM
Dan, you are so obsessed with this "Dan vs. the World" stuff. It's not like there is a group-think where every Non-Dan poster agrees with each other. Jeebus. I'll clue you in on something: you are not a 49ers Martyr. Sorry. You're just not.

Menardo75
11-13-2012, 02:23 PM
LOL if Alex doesn't get hurt the Niners win the game. Alex is one of the best QBs against the blitz in the NFL.Typical Dan when there is a loss or tie apparently the QB needs to be benched everybody sucks. Don't have a chance to make the playoffs even though they are a game away from the #2 seed. Dan lets just cut everybody because they all suck. It's time to get the young guys on the field and see what they can right? They are 6-2-1 it's over the sky is crashing down.

abaddon41_80
11-13-2012, 03:06 PM
If the 49ers win Monday night they are in the driver's seat for the #2 seed in the NFC but you think we should basically throw in the towel, dan. There is being realistic and then there is being crazy.

Ness
11-13-2012, 03:36 PM
Smith's comeback wins against the Saints and Eagles were LAST SEASON and neither doesnt mean a damn thing this year.

Smith came back against the Rams to cut it to 14-7. Here's an idea, how about scoring first so we dont have to come back to win? Especially against a team that basically beat us with THREE guys. How the hell can we lose (or tie even though I still consider it a loss) to THREE guys?

Whatever. We'll see what happens. One thing is for sure, my confidence in this team is not what it was a year ago. Defense is overrated. Offense still cant score more than 23ppg and special teams is a joke with the crappy return game, getting faked on punts and Akers sucking up a storm.

But yeah, we're easily Super Bowl contenders.

And there's a HUGE difference between the Giants and us. Giants have an ELITE QB in Eli Manning who's clutch in December/January. We have Smith and Kaepernick. Not even worth discussing.
So since Alex led comebacks last season, he automatically is disqualified to possibly lead the team to a comeback this season? That makes zero sense. And beating a team with three guys also makes zero sense, as that would be impossible.

Eli Manning has also been in the same system with the same personnel for a long time. This is what, Alex Smith's second year in a system and with a staff that finally seems competent.

I hope Kaepernick starts Monday night. I really do. He's the future anyway and I rather see him play sooner rather than later. If he sucks, we go back to average Smith but if he puts up a good game and gets us a win, no way in hell do I want Smith to start another game.

Why? Did Smith not just come off having a great game against the Cardinals? You really believe our chances of getting to the Super Bowl this season are better with Kaepernick instead of Smith? Really? Okay, maybe we should just set the team back a couple of more years to let Kaepernick develop even though our starting quarterback is playing very well compared to most other starters in the NFL. Yeah, not like the defense will get older or players will leave for free agency or anything. Nope.

I think last night during the football I thought I heard the Kap will start next along with Campell for the Bears.

Well you heard wrong as a discussion has yet to be made by either team.

phlysac
11-13-2012, 04:40 PM
NO but there's a huge difference in letting a late first round draft pick who slid but who's behind an all time great QB as opposed to a high second round draft pick who's behind an average at best QB. HUGE difference and people need to stop comparing the two because if you switch them, the same damn thing happens but its the opposite player.

The all-time great QB who was 5-12 and 8-8 with Aaron Rodgers on the bench for 2 seasons.

phlysac
11-13-2012, 04:42 PM
"But, but, but Kaepernick has 99 speed on Madden."



or something like that

dan77733
11-13-2012, 07:01 PM
Dan, you are so obsessed with this "Dan vs. the World" stuff. It's not like there is a group-think where every Non-Dan poster agrees with each other. Jeebus. I'll clue you in on something: you are not a 49ers Martyr. Sorry. You're just not.

I'm not obsessed with anything except the 49ers winning and crushing opponents that they should crush. Whenever Smith plays bad, im sure as hell not the first person to complain about him. And im not saying to bench him for Kaepernick. I said to start Kaepernick because isnt going to be 100% healthy for the game so why on earth would you start a guy coming off a concussion when you have a 100% healthy QB on the sidelines who can start and play one game?

LOL if Alex doesn't get hurt the Niners win the game. Alex is one of the best QBs against the blitz in the NFL.Typical Dan when there is a loss or tie apparently the QB needs to be benched everybody sucks. Don't have a chance to make the playoffs even though they are a game away from the #2 seed. Dan lets just cut everybody because they all suck. It's time to get the young guys on the field and see what they can right? They are 6-2-1 it's over the sky is crashing down.

First, there's no guarantee that we win the game if Alex doesnt get hurt. The way the team played Sunday, im shocked the game ended in a tie instead of us losing. I never said bench Smith or anyone else. I said start Kaepernick because unlike Smith, he'll be 100% healthy and not coming off a concussion. If Smith plays and he plays bad and we lose, everyone will be asking why he played to begin with. Give him the extra week off and make sure he's good to go for the rest of the season. I would only start Kaepernick for the rest of the season if he plays good against the Bears, gets us a win and shows that he can handle the starting job.

If the 49ers win Monday night they are in the driver's seat for the #2 seed in the NFC but you think we should basically throw in the towel, dan. There is being realistic and then there is being crazy.

How is starting Kaepernick while Smith is recoving from a concussion throwing in the towel? IF they win and thats a pretty big IF regardless of who starts for us at QB. If Smith isnt 100% healthy and recovered from the concussion, why wouldnt you start Kaepernick for a week?

dan77733
11-13-2012, 07:13 PM
So since Alex led comebacks last season, he automatically is disqualified to possibly lead the team to a comeback this season? That makes zero sense. And beating a team with three guys also makes zero sense, as that would be impossible.

Thats not what I said. I said last season has nothing to do with this season. Just because he led comebacks a few times last season doesnt automatically mean that he would have done it against the Rams or any other team for that matter. No, its not impossible because it was Bradford, Jackson and Amendola who beat us. Subtract them and we should blow them out. We couldnt stop any of them so technically, THREE guys did beat us which is sad and pathetic.

Eli Manning has also been in the same system with the same personnel for a long time. This is what, Alex Smith's second year in a system and with a staff that finally seems competent.

Never said anything different but as you already know and have said yourself, Smith isnt winning us the Super Bowl let alone getting us there. He doesnt have the arm strength to do it. He doesnt even take a chance when Moss is one and one. Instead, he audibles off into a run in the opposite direction. Worse thing is that Harbaugh doesnt have the confidence in Smith to air it out or anything. Harbaugh wants Smith to be a game manager which is exactly what he is. He's meant to not turn over the ball, keep the game close and try to pull out a win at the end. Thats never going to change and I dont know about you but in my opinion, thats a crappy way to play the game.

Why? Did Smith not just come off having a great game against the Cardinals? You really believe our chances of getting to the Super Bowl this season are better with Kaepernick instead of Smith? Really? Okay, maybe we should just set the team back a couple of more years to let Kaepernick develop even though our starting quarterback is playing very well compared to most other starters in the NFL. Yeah, not like the defense will get older or players will leave for free agency or anything. Nope.

This coming from the guy who wants Smith benched every time he sucks up a storm??? If Kaepernick plays good against the Bears and gets us a win and shows that he can handle being a starter, then YES, I do think that he gives us a better chance at getting to the Super Bowl AND winning it because unlike Smith, he wont be just a game manager. He'll go out there and try to make plays and get us wins. Smith doesnt do that. He simply plays NOT to lose the team the game as opposed to playing to WIN us the game. There's a huge difference. A few players are going to be gone during the 2013 and 2014 off-seasons anyway so it doesnt matter and second, I prefer to find out now if Kaepernick is our future at QB or not. You talk about players getting older and/or leaving but if the team doesnt win with Alex this year and next year, then what? You start Kaepernick in his fourth season and final year of his contract with everyone else around him two years older and several players gone? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense too.

farfromforgotten
11-13-2012, 07:25 PM
I dont know whats with you guys. A decade of mediocrity must have made you all used to the same crap. When Smith played bad against the Giants, im pretty sure some of you had enough of him but now, all of a sudden, he has to start? Give me a break. You guys are basically the opposite. I never said to start Kaepernick when Smith was healthy but coming off a concussion against the Bears defense isnt exactly the smartest decision so while starting Kaepernick isnt the smartest decision either, it makes more sense than starting Smith especially considering the fact that Kaepernick is 100% healthy and Smith isnt. That right there should end this argument but im sure it wont.

Smith was 18-19 against the Cardinals (considered a great D by many) and was what, 7-8 against the Rams before leaving with a concussion. Damn him for throwing an incompletion! I'm just responding to the 1st part of your post here. I think it was silly that people were willing to give up on him after the Giants game, but you get used to things like that around here after so many years. If he can't go next week because of the concussion, then yes, Kaep should start. I'd rather have Kaep than Campbell out there next Monday night... all things considered.

phlysac
11-13-2012, 07:38 PM
And im not saying to bench him for Kaepernick. I said to start Kaepernick because isnt going to be 100% healthy for the game

But you are. You never said "IF" Smith isn't healthy. You jumped straight to "he won't be healthy" which is an assumption. You're pushing an agenda that may not come into play if Smith is given a clean bill of health in 6 days.

abaddon41_80
11-13-2012, 07:44 PM
Did you guys know that Smith has twice as many touchdowns as incomplete passes in his last two games?

phlysac
11-13-2012, 07:57 PM
Did you guys know that Smith has twice as many touchdowns as incomplete passes in his last two games?

But he's not the future. Bench him.

Ness
11-13-2012, 08:40 PM
Thats not what I said. I said last season has nothing to do with this season. Just because he led comebacks a few times last season doesnt automatically mean that he would have done it against the Rams or any other team for that matter. No, its not impossible because it was Bradford, Jackson and Amendola who beat us. Subtract them and we should blow them out. We couldnt stop any of them so technically, THREE guys did beat us which is sad and pathetic.

So if Bradford, Jackson, and Amendola were on the field in a 3 vs. 11 situation they would have still come out on top? Their offensive line didn't have to block or anything like that? No other backs had to act in blitz pickup? No other wide receivers had to be accounted for? Three players on offense can literally beat 11 players on defense. And that makes sense. Okay Dan.

And yes you did say that. You implied it in so many words. Your direct quote:

Any game we get behind in with Smith, we're not coming back to win so you can forget it.

This doesn't make sense as Smith has proved he can do it before. So what if it was last season. Just because it's a new year he can't do it? What? Why? He's playing better this year than he did last year.

Never said anything different but as you already know and have said yourself, Smith isnt winning us the Super Bowl let alone getting us there. He doesnt have the arm strength to do it. He doesnt even take a chance when Moss is one and one. Instead, he audibles off into a run in the opposite direction. Worse thing is that Harbaugh doesnt have the confidence in Smith to air it out or anything. Harbaugh wants Smith to be a game manager which is exactly what he is. He's meant to not turn over the ball, keep the game close and try to pull out a win at the end. Thats never going to change and I dont know about you but in my opinion, thats a crappy way to play the game.

I've changed my opinion Smith as of now. No he's not a top level quarterback, but from what I've seen and what Jim Harbaugh is trying to do, it's enough to get the 49ers to the Super Bowl. They almost did it last season and would have if it wasn't for two costly turnovers by Kyle Williams in a rainy game. If you don't like it, well you don't have to be a fan and watch the games.

This coming from the guy who wants Smith benched every time he sucks up a storm??? If Kaepernick plays good against the Bears and gets us a win and shows that he can handle being a starter, then YES, I do think that he gives us a better chance at getting to the Super Bowl AND winning it because unlike Smith, he wont be just a game manager. He'll go out there and try to make plays and get us wins. Smith doesnt do that. He simply plays NOT to lose the team the game as opposed to playing to WIN us the game. There's a huge difference. A few players are going to be gone during the 2013 and 2014 off-seasons anyway so it doesnt matter and second, I prefer to find out now if Kaepernick is our future at QB or not. You talk about players getting older and/or leaving but if the team doesnt win with Alex this year and next year, then what? You start Kaepernick in his fourth season and final year of his contract with everyone else around him two years older and several players gone? Yeah, that makes a lot of sense too.

No, this is coming from a person that isn't immune to objectivity and has a enough common sense not to panic when a team is 6-2-1 or rather lose a game than tie it. You don't know what you're going to get in Kaepernick, please. Don't use your disdain for Alex to make conclusions about what Kaepernick can be which are unfounded. I wouldn't even get too excited about what he came in and did. It was the St.Louis Rams who didn't practice for him. You think Kaepernick is going to do that backyard football crap against the Bears? Please. We've seen Troy Smith have a great game coming into a situation like that. Kaepernick needs more structure to be a better pocket passer and it's clear that he isn't ready yet. Inserting him now, when the team has played well up to this point with it's starter is ridiculous. I can't believe you're laying all this crap Alex Smith, who played well up until the point he got hurt. Oh and I'm sure the free agent market will be clamoring for Kaepernick's services if his rookie contract runs out. Absurd.

Ness
11-13-2012, 08:58 PM
Ridiculous notions of throwing in the towel aside, I watched the game again. Here are a few thoughts:

- Ahmad Brooks had a ridiculously good game and deflected three passes, almost one that was intercepted. He had a really good tackle as well on Steven Jackson on a toss to the right side late in the game. I think it was near the goal line.

- Danny Amendola was ridiculous. I knew this guy was decent, but he schooled the 49ers and came up with big plays all afternoon. Carlos Rogers in particular got clowned a couple of times. The 49ers needed to take him out of the game and double team him or something...and just take their chances with everyone else because Amendola was causing too much chaos.

- The running defense has been disappointing as of late and it seems like teams are more willing to take their chances pounding the football. Our entire defensive line seems to be underachieving this season compared to last year. The pass defense has improved, which is a bonus, but something just isn't clicking with Smith, Sopoaga, and McDonald. Weird. Hopefully they step it up in the second half of the season. They're too good to not be making an impact.

- The Rams should have won this game, but screwed themselves over by the 12 penalties they committed. They had a good gameplan coming into Sunday, and while I do believe that the 49ers would have found their rhythm had Alex Smith came in, St.Louis has really improved under Jeff Fisher. They didn't even have Jenkins or Givens in that game.

- The 49ers defense also had so many chances to get more than one turnover in the game, but kept dropping interceptions. I counted at least three that could have turned the tide. One was dropped by Brooks, arguably two because he had good position on both, Whitner dropped a pick although Patrick Willis nullified the play, and Goldson couldn't get his hands on a ball he broke up on a short pass over the middle. The defense was making it seem easy last season getting those turnovers, but guys are having a difficult time thus far making those kinds of plays.

- All of that said, the tie is still better than the loss, and keeps the 49ers in prime position to possibly get the #2 seed down the line. The Seahawks I think could still win the NFC West as they have a favorable schedule compared to the 49ers down the line, but they'd still have to play almost perfect and the 49ers would have to have a total meltdown. Should be interesting. I do think Russell Wilson is going to be a problem moving forward. He looks like the real deal just as a rookie. Anyways, can't wait for the game against the Bears. This will be the biggest test I think since the Giants game. I think both Cutler and Smith will play and I expect a defensive struggle. Chicago can't be thrilled having lost to Houston in primetime.

- By the way I can't believe Akers missed that kick. He's only kicking about 70% this year, which is ranked 30th and is quite jarring. Akers needs to get out of his funk.

dan77733
11-14-2012, 12:23 AM
True...I never said if. I am assuming that Smith wont be cleared because with the new rules, I dont think that any player has been cleared within a week.

49ersfan_87
11-14-2012, 12:58 AM
True...I never said if. I am assuming that Smith wont be cleared because with the new rules, I dont think that any player has been cleared within a week.

Joe Staley was cleared within 4 days...Jahvid Best has yet to be cleared in over 13 months. Its up in the air.

And according to PFT Alex is getting a 2nd opinion on his concussion. 2nd opinions usually don't equal good news...

Ness
11-14-2012, 01:20 AM
Joe Staley was cleared within 4 days...Jahvid Best has yet to be cleared in over 13 months. Its up in the air.

And according to PFT Alex is getting a 2nd opinion on his concussion. 2nd opinions usually don't equal good news...

Meh. I'll take the glass half full approach. That was just a PFT "source". Matt Maiocco didn't even report it. Neither did Matt Barrows.

I like this comment from one of the users regarding the report you are talking about on PFT:

Alex is a smart man. He is probably getting a second opinion because he wants to have a better understanding of his health. And he realizes that teams have a conflict of interest with respect to medical evaluations. So, chalk this up to a smart man gathering the facts of the situation.

By the way, Jay Cutler is looking doubtful to play against the 49ers Monday. But it's only Tuesday.

Oh and I'm sick of hearing about the Bears, the comparisons to the 1985 team, Charles Peanut Tillman, and so on and so on. I hope the 49ers crush them Monday.

Madirishman
11-14-2012, 09:01 AM
Yes, a crushing of the Bears is necessary and needed to get this Niners team back with some momentum. They were my pick to be the (somewhat) surprise NFC Team this year, so I'm not shocked they are doing well. They are legit but I still think the 49ers are an overall better team; they just have to go prove it.