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Borat
11-24-2012, 12:14 AM
Week 12:
Sunday, November 25, 2012
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San Francisco 49ers (7-2-1)
At
New Orleans Saints (5-5)

Location: The Superdome
http://www.nflteamhistory.com/images/stadiums/big/new_orleans_saints.jpg

Time: 1: 25 pm pst
Line: N.O. -1.0
Announcers (ESPN): Joe Buck, Troy Aikman, Pam Oliver

Alright. I’ve been looking forward to this game for a long time. It’s a nice heat-check to see just how legitimate this team really is. The Saints are better than their record indicates. They’ve won five of their last six. Their offense is still top-notch, but their defense … oh man, that defense.

Last time there was this:
http://media.pennlive.com/patriotnewssports/photo/10452357-large.jpg

And this:
http://lub-cdn.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/superphoto/10836912.jpg

And capped off with this:
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And of course there was this:
http://www.myveryownsportsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/AlexSmithSaintsTD.jpg

But, that was apparently just an appetizer to this:
http://static.foxsports.com/content/fscom/img/2012/11/19/111912-Let-It-Fly-SW-PI_20121119211832631_660_320.JPG

The Kaepernick era has officially begun. I think. Or at least it has been reported to have begun. Of course, this time last week we were expecting Alex to take the field against the Bears and lead us to a nail-biting, 2-point win.

I don’t want to hear any “Bounty Scandal” nonsense. Probably because the only guy that got his “head killed” that game wasn’t wearing red. Oh well.
http://cdn2.sbnation.com/imported_assets/949076/pierre.gif

So, apparently, we get to see the return of this:
http://lub-cdn.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/superphoto/10836902.jpg

Wonderful. I’m not concerned about him rushing the ball. But he scares the **** out of me as a receiver.

And if Sproles scares the **** out of me, then my balls shrink up into little skittles at the thought of this guy:
http://lub-cdn.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/superphoto/10836899.jpg
He’s such a baller. And his QB actually throws him the ball. That is important.

Speaking of which, welcome back:
http://www.bostonglobe.com/rf/image_r/Boston/2011-2020/2012/11/20/BostonGlobe.com/Sports/Images/49ers.r.jpg

And of course, we have to keep a close eye on my boyfriend:
http://losthatsportsblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/marques-colston.jpg
So, so dreamy.

So, hey, this guy is kinda good:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/sportsnetBayArea/thumbnails/Sportsnet_-_Pacific_Associates/14/817/smith-aldon-thumb.jpg
Hint: not Jason Campbell.

15 sacks in 10 games. He’s not in the same galaxy as Von Miller, or so I’m told, but hey, he’s serviceable I guess. Just enjoy the show.

Standings
NFC West
1. San Francisco 49ers (7-2-1)
2. Seattle Seahawks (6-4)
3. Arizona Cardinals (4-6)
4. St. Louis Rams (3-6-1)

NFC South
1. Atlanta Falcons (9-1)
2. Tampa Bay Buccaneers (6-4)
3. New Orleans Saints (5-5)
4. Carolina Panthers (2-8)

-Special Note:
http://www.grayflannelsuit.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/star-wars-new-orleans-saints-bounty-hunters-empire-strikes-back-vilma.jpg

Ness
11-24-2012, 02:13 AM
Yes, playing Sproles, Graham, and Colston are going to be damn annoying. Took everything the 49ers defense had last time at home and they still gave up a ridiculous amount of points. Now it's at the Superdome. If Kaepernick is starting, all I have to say is good luck bro. If he can play well in this game and win it, he'll probably be the starter the rest of the way.

Either way I'm expecting a ton of Frank Gore and Kendal Hunter grinding away.

farfromforgotten
11-24-2012, 07:25 AM
I always say the Sproles/Graham combo of the Saints worries me more defensively than any other combo of players in the NFL. Sproles had 15 catches in that playoff game. Graham had 100 yards and a couple of scores. Can't wait to see this game.

Brent
11-24-2012, 07:50 AM
I would very much like to see Aldon demolish Brees.

abaddon41_80
11-24-2012, 11:10 AM
Love the bounty pic

Ness
11-24-2012, 03:13 PM
I always say the Sproles/Graham combo of the Saints worries me more defensively than any other combo of players in the NFL. Sproles had 15 catches in that playoff game. Graham had 100 yards and a couple of scores. Can't wait to see this game.

Christ, I think already hear a WHO DAT outside my window.

Anyways, everytime Brees goes team I'm going to hold my breath. And I'm still wondering who the hell is going to cover Jimmy Graham. Unfortunately we don't have anyone fast enough or strong enough to keep him at bay. Sproles is going to be annoying too. Well, hopefully the defense delivers some hard hits to make their jobs a lot harder.

CJSchneider
11-24-2012, 03:54 PM
Love the bounty pic

Not nearly as much as I do.

dan77733
11-24-2012, 08:59 PM
49ers baby!!!

49ers 35
Saints 17

Kaepernick is going to crush the Saints secondary and re-start their downfall just like we did last January.

Ness
11-24-2012, 09:09 PM
If Colin has a terrible game I don't want to hear your excuses Dan.

abaddon41_80
11-25-2012, 08:21 AM
I'm expecting CK to have a good game but in a loss

49erNation85
11-25-2012, 10:05 AM
Dan don't get over excited there .Saints will bring there defense unlike the bears did. It will be much closer then your thinking.

dan77733
11-25-2012, 11:34 AM
Saints defense still sucks. As long as the offense starts by throwing deep right off the bat, it will push back their defense. Besides, Spags is their DC and we already know what he runs when he was the HC of the Rams. Not much of a difference, if any. Kaepernick is the offensive component that the team has been missing since Garcia. Kaepernick is going to tear the Saints defense apart, especially their crappy secondary.

Our defense will shutdown the Saints. They just have to watch Sproles and Graham. Granted, easier said than done but Brees isnt a threat to run and if we can get pressure on him just sending four, we should win easily.

No problem Ness. Kaepernick is our franchise QB. Smith is done, period. Kaepernick gave our offense something it hasnt had in a long ass time - a threat. Especially, passing. Being able to pass the ball down field opens up everything else on offense which makes us an even bigger threat.

If Kaepernick does good like he did against the Bears, I dont want to hear any execuses as to why he did good. I just hope that Harbaugh doesnt call any gimmick plays like the one on Monday night with Hunter looking to pass. I hate those whether its Kaepernick or Smith at QB. They rarely if ever work.

Kaepernick - 68%, 282 yds, 3 td, 0 int, 2 sacks, 0 fum

49erNation85
11-25-2012, 03:52 PM
Well Breese has come alive already. Gonna score quick on this second drive.

dan77733
11-25-2012, 04:29 PM
******* Ginn!!! I hate that guy. He's nowhere near what he was a year ago. Time to activate LaMichael James and let him return some punts as he cant do any worse.

In general, im actually happy that we're losing 14-7 because now with Kaepernick having a strong arm, we can see what Harbaugh does when trailing games. With Smith, whenever we got behind in games especially if it was 10+ points, you knew it was pretty much a loss but with Kaepernick's ability to throw deep downfield, we're never out of the game.

49erNation85
11-25-2012, 04:39 PM
Agreed about getting James some touches on punt returns. I'm sure he is faster then Ginn as well. Seriously Ginn just need fair catch that ball .

dan77733
11-25-2012, 04:51 PM
Kaepernick's INT was bad but not all on him. What's with Goodwin??? Guy is playing like crap. Come on. Not going to help a second year QB with snapping the ball on the ground half the time.

Should be 14-14 at halftime but there's still 32 seconds left in the first half.

And we get the ball to start the second half.

dan77733
11-25-2012, 04:53 PM
Third quarter will belong to Kaepernick as long as Goodwin snaps him the ball in his hands instead of on the ground.

dan77733
11-25-2012, 06:05 PM
*wipes forehead*

Bad pass by Kap to Moss in the endzone. Should have lobbed it towards the back sideline. Oh well. Overall, Kap is playing good. Not happy about that run on 3rd down. I would have tried another pass to Moss but lobbed instead of a bullet pass.

dan77733
11-25-2012, 06:27 PM
Damn Akers!!! :(

Brent
11-25-2012, 06:46 PM
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49ersfan_87
11-25-2012, 06:51 PM
Kaepernick stats from today

16/25, 231 yards, 64% accuracy, 9.24 YPA, 1 passing TD, 1 rushing TD, 1 INT, 0 sacks

Overall: 90.6 QBR (according to Fox on TV)

2-0 record as a starter

What i was impressed with in the Saints game: He scrambled around and extended a LOT of plays that could have been sacks. Some were called back due to penalty. He also had 3 drops, including a dime he threw across his body on 3rd and long to Crabtree in between 2 defenders. He also threw deep and took a lot of chances. Plain and simple we made more plays on offense. On FOX they said with Kaep we have almost as many 20 yard passing plays in 2 starts as we did the entire year before. He also threw a lot of balls in tight windows (on the long FG drive he ripped one in to Crabtree in between 2 defenders

What i was not impressed with: The INT. Bad snap caused him to be late reading the D, but he shouldn't have thrown it. He also struggled playclock awareness. Several times we had to call a TO, take a delay of game penalty, or just barely get the snap in time.

Overall: Solid B+, A- type performance. He's legit.

Brent
11-25-2012, 06:55 PM
I think the play-clock struggles were partly the fault of the crowd noise.

dan77733
11-25-2012, 06:56 PM
Yeah baby!!! 31-21 win.

Kaepernick 16/25, 231, TD, INT.....rushing 6/27, TD

Okay. Not as good as I was predicting but I dont think he thows that INT if the snap wasnt low. Either way, big plays, converting on third downs and just more of an offensive threat period. In two games as a starter, Kaepernick has averaged 31.5ppg. Yeah, I know two scores came from our defense but im sure that happened in the games that Smith started last year in which we scored 30+ppg. Smith had three games as starting QB last year in which we scored 30+ppg, 4 if you count the playoff win. Smith with 3 this year. Overall, in 27 games, we've scored 30+ppg 7 times total. With Kaepernick, we already scored 30+ppg in his two starts. Wont be surprised if we surpass that before our season ends.

Kaepernick's arm and ability to throw downfield makes him the better choice. I have said it since last year. We need a passing attack. With Kaepernick's arm, we finally have one and obviously Harbaugh agrees.

Anyway, im a happy camper. I hope you guys are too.

Side notes -

1) Not happy with Akers. What's wrong with this guy?
2) Losing Williams and Hunter is going to hurt but thankfully, we have great depth at RB and WR.
3) Going to guess that with Hunter's injury and Ginn's fumble, LaMichael James will be active next week or at least im hoping.
4) The Seahawks and Cardinals lost. So happy.
5) Speaking of the Seahawks, both of their starting CB's are appealing a four game suspension for the use of Adderall (sp?). Guess that explains why they have been so good. LOL.

Bring on the RAMS!!!!!

abaddon41_80
11-25-2012, 06:57 PM
So who starts next week? We were the first offense to not break 400 yards against the Saints, and that was with 131 yards of YAC, which I think is the most we have had all season. The two pick-sixes and the broken up interception by Moss won that game

binary
11-25-2012, 07:05 PM
So who starts next week? We were the first offense to not break 400 yards against the Saints, and that was with 131 yards of YAC, which I think is the most we have had all season. The two pick-sixes and the broken up interception by Moss won that game

Are you serious? Kap p;ayed great considering the adversity, Look how he did on third downs, you gotta be kidding me. Alex did a great job for us this year playing at a high level and we owe him a lot for last year, but it's Kap's job now, period. This offense needs to stay dynamic and hard to gameplan for.

49ersfan_87
11-25-2012, 07:06 PM
Are you serious? Kap p;ayed great considering the adversity, Look how he did on third downs, you gotta be kidding me. Alex did a great job for us this year playing at a high level and we owe him a lot for last year, but it's Kap's job now, period. This offense needs to stay dynamic and hard to gameplan for.

He's not serious.

abaddon41_80
11-25-2012, 07:08 PM
Why wouldn't I be serious? Harbaugh said he goes with the guy with the hot hand and, watching that game against one of the worst defenses in the NFL, I don't think Kaep has the hot hand anymore. I wasn't opposed to starting Kaepernick after his performance against the Bears given Harbaugh's rationale but, given that same reasoning, would be start again this week?

Don't get me wrong. I am happy we won and I think Kaepernick played okay. But okay against one of the worst defenses in the NFL isn't something I am happy about. We are the first team to not break 400 yards against the Saints and we only scored 17 offensive points. Should we just be content with that? If we can only score 17 against one of the worst defenses what is going to happen when we play good defenses?

Borat
11-25-2012, 07:10 PM
Kaepernick should be the full-time starter.

abaddon41_80
11-25-2012, 07:12 PM
I am not sold on Kaepernick yet. I expected more of him today and he disappointed me.

Borat
11-25-2012, 07:13 PM
Should we just be content with that? If we can only score 17 against one of the worst defenses what is going to happen when we play good defenses?

Good defenses like ... the Bears?

binary
11-25-2012, 07:13 PM
I am not sold on Kaepernick yet. I expected more of him today and he disappointed me.

dude whatever, i'm happy and done, its kap's job, on to stl

dan77733
11-25-2012, 07:14 PM
Are you serious? Kap played great considering the adversity, Look how he did on third downs, you gotta be kidding me. Alex did a great job for us this year playing at a high level and we owe him a lot for last year, but it's Kap's job now, period. This offense needs to stay dynamic and hard to gameplan for.

Exactly. Kaepernick makes our offense an explosive threat which we havent had in a decade. Time to keep it that way because like I have said, if we had a passing attack and can score 30+ppg, we're unstoppable. Only way we lose is if we do stupid crap and lose the game ourselves.

Here's another reason why I think Harbaugh went with Kaepernick for today's game and why I think he'll stay with him -

Akers. He hasnt been as good as he was last season and I think that Harbaugh sees and knows that. In order to overcome that, you have to score more TD's and to do that Kaepernick is our best option.

Side note -

Extend Roman and Fangio NOW. I dont want to lose these guys. Both offense and defense are playing excellent. Time to make sure that we dont lose either coordinator.

49ersfan_87
11-25-2012, 07:16 PM
Good defenses like ... the Bears?

Like i said...not serious.

abaddon41_80
11-25-2012, 07:17 PM
Good defenses like ... the Bears?

Let me rephrase, good defenses that actually have a gameplan in place for him. I would love to see Kaepernick become the franchise QB but I haven't seen enough from him to say he is yet.

I would also love to see the 49ers win the Super Bowl this year and I haven't seen enough to think that Kaepernick gives us the best shot to do that

Brent
11-25-2012, 07:17 PM
I actually agree with Dan, oddly enough, with his concern about Aikers. You cannot miss this many field goals and be an NFL starter. I mean, for poop's sake, how the **** you miss some easy FGs?

Borat
11-25-2012, 07:17 PM
Only heard the radio broadcast today, but the announcer said he thought Akers was injured. That was before the 4th quarter miss.

49ersfan_87
11-25-2012, 07:19 PM
Only heard the radio broadcast today, but the announcer said he thought Akers was injured. That was before the 4th quarter miss.

He looked a little gimpy after one of the PAT's. Might have been run into.

abaddon41_80
11-25-2012, 07:24 PM
Sorry if I sound pessimistic but maybe I am still looking at a guy who went,

29/47 (61.7%)
552 yards
11.7 YPA
2 TD
0 INT
116.6 QB rating
2-0 record

In his first two starts with us. People were clamoring for him being the QBOTF as well. That didn't turn out too well

49ersfan_87
11-25-2012, 07:28 PM
Also hats off to our pass rush. They dominated the 2nd half. Clutch!

Think Aldon could break the sack record? He has 16.5 through 11 games.

dan77733
11-25-2012, 07:28 PM
If Akers is hurt, even more reason to ramp up the offensive production and score more TD's.

Playing that consertative crap and scoring only FG's isnt going to cut it anymore. We need TD's, big plays, third down conversions, etc. and we get that with Kaepernick.

Abaddon talks about us only scoring 17 points against the Saints but that includes a missed FG, a blocked FG, penalities on the OL and that crappy call on Crabtree where he was ruled down but wasnt. He should have kept running, scored a TD and then Harbaugh should have challenged the play.

I could care less about the yards. Yards dont mean anything to me. Its the points that count and we scored 31. Yeah, I know the defense accounted for 14 but with Kaepernick as the starter, we've averaged 31.5ppg. With Smith, our average is under 24ppg and that includes defensive scores, special team returns, etc. Bottom line is that Kaepernick gives us a FAR BETTER CHANCE of winning the Super Bowl than Smith does period.

Anyway, enough of this. Kaepernick baby!!! On to crappy Saint Louis.

Borat
11-25-2012, 07:38 PM
A lot of factors worked against CK today (penalties, drops, snaps, crowd noise, game-management situations calling for runs, etc) and he still shined. Very proud of him.

49ersfan_87
11-25-2012, 07:39 PM
Also, we might see our draft class now. Williams and Hunter are injured, time for Jenkins and James to shine...

abaddon41_80
11-25-2012, 07:46 PM
A lot of factors worked for Kaepernick as well, Moss saving an interception and more than half of his yardage coming on YAC to name just a couple. These things cancelled out the problems and he had an average game against one of the worst defenses in the NFL. The last time Smith played a bottom 10 defense he went 18/24 for 303 yards with three touchdowns.

If Smith had that exact same game today and the 49ers won the way they did all of the talk would be about how the defense bailed him out or how he just drove the bus. At least have some consistency.

Borat
11-25-2012, 07:52 PM
Alex would have lost this game. I'm certain of it.

abaddon41_80
11-25-2012, 07:56 PM
That seems like a strange thing to say considering his play the two weeks before he got hurt, heck even his play for the majority of the season. He hasn't played a defense as bad as the Saints and has played better for most of the season than Kaepernick did today. You think Smith wouldn't have led the offense to eight or more points against the Saints?

49ersfan_87
11-25-2012, 08:16 PM
Brees finished the day 2-of-9 for 76 yards and an interception on throws deeper than 10 yards downfield, his worst completion percentage on those throws in the last five seasons.

Sunday was the first time this season Brees had more overthrown passes (three) than completions (two) on those throws.

Though Kaepernick had an interception of his own, he was 4-for-8 for 98 yards on throws of that length. That included a pair of third down completions to Delanie Walker, extending drives that resulted in a touchdown and a field goal.

For the season, Kaepernick is 11-for-18 with three touchdowns and no interceptions on his outside-the-pocket throws. Smith is 9-for-19 on such throws with one touchdown and one interception.

Kaepernick has converted first downs nine times on his 18 outside-the-pocket throws. Smith has converted only four of 19.

http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/post/_/id/56533/kaepernick-succeeds-again-in-multiple-ways

49erNation85
11-25-2012, 08:21 PM
I'm pretty content with moving away from Smith after this season.Leave CK starting the rest of the year.Let Smith walk. Pick up a old vet or just a vet for back up reasons and just open up our offense .

I just wanna see us play against the Pats Defense.They always seem to be good IMO.If we can win against the Pats we can beat any one. If it will be in NE I can't wait.

YAYareaRB
11-25-2012, 08:21 PM
Kap is the qb of the future. Accept the win, shut up and move on

abaddon41_80
11-25-2012, 08:24 PM
I am not just going to be happy about starting a QB that I don't feel like gives us the best chance to win this year. I don't disagree about Kaepernick being the QBOTF. I don't agree with it either. I haven't seen enough to make a decision on that.

But I have seen enough to believe that Smith gives us the best chance to win this season

49erNation85
11-25-2012, 08:32 PM
How is Smith a better chance for us?He would some how lost the game today. I don't our offense would have been as explosive on some of the pass plays. Give Kap one more week against Stl to really shine then another test against NE. He will open it up even more I'm sure.

abaddon41_80
11-25-2012, 08:44 PM
Why are people saying Smith would have lost us the game today? Do people really think he couldn't have led the offense to eight points against one of the worst defenses in the league?

Borat
11-25-2012, 08:49 PM
Why are people saying Smith would have lost us the game today? Do people really think he couldn't have led the offense to eight points against one of the worst defenses in the league?

It doesn't work like that. Butterfly effect.

abaddon41_80
11-25-2012, 08:51 PM
So Kaepernick somehow helped the defense get those touchdowns or keep Drew Brees on his back the entire second half? This game for Kaepernick was pretty much exactly what Alex did against the Packers and Lions earlier in the season, probably slightly worse, and he was pretty much just the "bus driver" in those wins according to everyone. Why is it any different for Kaepernick?

Kaepernick did not win us this game today anymore than Smith won those games.

Borat
11-25-2012, 09:10 PM
Kaepernick's escapability is the big difference. Alex would take sacks or throw aways where CK can make plays instead.

CK played better against the tougher defense (Bears) and played worse against a crappy defense (Saints). What does that mean? Nothing. These are tiny sample sizes. I don't care what any numbers say. I love the way he's putting drives together and his rushing is just too much of a factor.

abaddon41_80
11-25-2012, 09:11 PM
Alex has taken sacks all year, and he did it a lot last year, but the 49ers have still been winning. Today would not have been any different with the way the defense played and the way the receivers were getting YAC.

Borat
11-25-2012, 09:37 PM
Alex has taken sacks all year, and he did it a lot last year, but the 49ers have still been winning. Today would not have been any different with the way the defense played and the way the receivers were getting YAC.

Fair enough. If this is what we can expect from CK, I'd take it over Alex. Just adds more dynamic elements to the offense. Not a slight on Alex at all. I just think CK is the better option now.

You weren't thrilled with him today. I was. Not much worth debating really.

VAfy-ya
11-25-2012, 10:09 PM
abanddon just give it a rest...

Your comparing a 7 year vet to a kid making his first start on the road....against on of the best offenses in the league and a QB that was red-hot. Wasn't expecting CK to be perfect or for him to put up tons of yards. I was just hoping for a win and for CK to do more good than harm. He did that and more. Against a Spags defense that throws a lot of different looks at offenses(that's what you should be paying attention, not what they're ranked), he displayed poise and wasn't overcome by the task at hand. He converted some big 3rd down throws. He escaped some sacks I know for 100% certain Alex would have eaten. And he would have looked even better had penalties and drops not taken away some great plays made from him escaping the pocket.

That being said, he still holds the ball way too long in the pocket....but that's also why he completes more downfield throws...because he actually is waiting for deeper routes to develop, something I've criticized Alex for repeatedly this year(not having the patience to let the deeper routes develop). He scares the **** out of me the way he holds the ball when he's escaping pressure from the pocket. Still isn't reading the defense great but that's to be a expected for a guy with such little game experience. And Moss absolutely bailed him out of his second horrible int of the game.

Do I think he should remain the starter? No. I've been over that already in the Bears game thread. It's only going to be harder for him going forward, especially against better defenses and schemes. Did he do enough to remain the starter? Yes. Road wins are nothing sneeze at in this league. And for a kid making his first road start in the Superdome, against a team and a fanbase who have been waiting for this game for nearly a year, against a offense who had been red-hot the last 4 weeks, with our running game not as effective as it normally is and him being placed in some tough down and distances to convert, I thought CK did more than enough to keep the job....a job I don't think he should have been given in the first place but it is what it is.

I still say CK is too green to get us through a tough NFC in the playoffs. And I still say Alex gives us the best chance, just by merely playing his game.

But I also understand, that Jimbaugh is taking the long-view on this. He's been grooming CK for this. It came earlier than expected but this why we drafted him....to eventually lead this team. And he IS leading them. And he's doing it with his play on the field. The fact that he's even making this QB situation possible speaks to just how impressive his short body of work is. I told myself if he beat the Saints, he would earn the right for me to shut up and let Jimbaugh get this kid ready. You will hear no more about CK until our season is over and I say either "I told you so", or "Super Bowl Champions, MOAR CROW PLEZ!"

I do think Alex is getting a raw deal. And part of me wanted Alex to lead this team to a SB just to shut-up all non-Niner fans, and some in our own fanbase, who said it would never happen. But this is grown man b/i. Alex knows how this works. He benefited from the same scenario years back when he sent his best friend, Shaun Hill into a back-up role, and eventually out of town, when he came in off the bench and impressed when Hill had been playing pretty good ball in previous games that season. This is the nature of the business. If it can happen to Montana, it can definitely happen to Alex. I think the guy is as solid a human being as you can possibly find. Never a bad word to say, even through this and all the other bs he's endured throughout his career. But Alex knew, with the contract he signed, that this was very possible. I'm not driving the CK bus, but I'm not running it off the road either. He's done enough for me to just sit back see what happens.

phlysac
11-25-2012, 10:21 PM
I completely support Kaepernick being the QB of the 49ers. He's shown me alot of things that can make this offense alot more dangerous.

However, I can see where abaddon is coming from. It's the hypocrisy in the perception that bothers me...


Here's a post I made elsewhere...

I am very happy with what Kaep has shown. He played quite well today, and most importantly he won. I just find it interesting how winning and perception can completely put a spin on how people reflect on the game. Remember how the ineptitude of the Buffalo Bills' defense cause people to diminish Alex Smith's accomplishments? Let's look at the Saint's defense and how Kaepernick and the 49ers' offense performed comparably...

In 11 games

Total Offense

1. Broncos - 530
2. Buccaneers - 513
3. Chiefs - 510
4. Panthers - 463
5. Redskins - 459
6. Falcons - 454
7. Eagles - 447
8. Chargers - 427
9. Packers - 421
10. Raiders - 404
11. 49ers - 375


Yards Passing

1. Freeman - 420
2. Ryan - 411
3. Rivers - 354
4. Griffin - 320
5. Rodgers - 319
6. Palmer - 312
7. Manning - 303
8. Vick - 272
9. Newton - 253
10. Cassel - 248
11. Kaepernick - 231



I completely support Kaepernick, but most importantly I support WINNING. Video game numbers would be great but if Kaep threw for 600 yds and the 49ers lost I'd be unhappy. I am happy with the win.

I just wish that supporting Kaepernicking didn't require a double-standard by so many.

49erNation85
11-26-2012, 12:41 AM
I say wait until the pats game then we will know for sure.there defense is much better the the poor saints.

Menardo75
11-26-2012, 03:52 AM
I say wait until the pats game then we will know for sure.there defense is much better the the poor saints.

This isn't 2007 anymore the Patriots defense is awful.

abaddon41_80
11-26-2012, 04:45 AM
abanddon just give it a rest...

Your comparing a 7 year vet to a kid making his first start on the road....against on of the best offenses in the league and a QB that was red-hot. Wasn't expecting CK to be perfect or for him to put up tons of yards. I was just hoping for a win and for CK to do more good than harm. He did that and more. Against a Spags defense that throws a lot of different looks at offenses(that's what you should be paying attention, not what they're ranked), he displayed poise and wasn't overcome by the task at hand. He converted some big 3rd down throws. He escaped some sacks I know for 100% certain Alex would have eaten. And he would have looked even better had penalties and drops not taken away some great plays made from him escaping the pocket.

I don't understand what this part has to do with Kaepernick's play. I expected a much better game against arguably the worst defense in the league, maybe my expectations were too high. Kaepernick put up pretty much the exact same numbers that every other QB has against the Saints this year. I agree that Alex would have taken more sacks, I already addressed that, but some of those penalties helped Kaepernick escape from the pocket in the first place. No one has even mentioned the 131 yards of YAC, the most the 49ers have had all season, when all that was mentioned after the Cardinals game was the 49ers YAC. The 49ers have almost 20 more yards of YAC per game with Kaepernick starting, not coincidentally Kaepernick has about 25 more YPG than Smith. Smith has a higher completion percentage, better touchdown percentage, higher QB rating and would have more YPA if the receivers got the same YAC they are getting now.

I do think Alex is getting a raw deal. And part of me wanted Alex to lead this team to a SB just to shut-up all non-Niner fans, and some in our own fanbase, who said it would never happen. But this is grown man b/i. Alex knows how this works. He benefited from the same scenario years back when he sent his best friend, Shaun Hill into a back-up role, and eventually out of town, when he came in off the bench and impressed when Hill had been playing pretty good ball in previous games that season. This is the nature of the business. If it can happen to Montana, it can definitely happen to Alex. I think the guy is as solid a human being as you can possibly find. Never a bad word to say, even through this and all the other bs he's endured throughout his career. But Alex knew, with the contract he signed, that this was very possible. I'm not driving the CK bus, but I'm not running it off the road either. He's done enough for me to just sit back see what happens.

I am just trying to be the voice of moderation and reason here. Kaepernick had a great game against a tough Bears defense, no one is denying that, but to act like he had a good game against the Saints is ridiculous.

It is just hilarious and sad to me that Kaepernick puts up similar numbers to what Alex Smith does every week, maybe slightly worse, against one of the worst defenses in the league while the 49ers defense scores two touchdowns and Kaepernick gets all the praise and credit for winning. People completely ignore that the 49ers have more YPG and first downs per game in Smith's starts than they do in Kaepernick's. If Smith had that exact same game it would have been just managing the game and he would have gotten none of the credit. You all know this to be true

ViperVisor
11-26-2012, 07:12 AM
This game was a win/win starting Kaep.

If he was on fire again this week you can go forward. If he hits a rough patch it was to be expected.

It was in between.

Fastball was thrown for strikes again.

But the touch passes are Hall & Oates at this point. Bruce Miller made a great snag to catch one. Hunter had no chance at one. And Moss pass was really bad.

The gears seemed to be grinding at times with play calls but wasn't too bad but waiting so long give the defense anticipation of the snap cause they see the clock too.

Should go back to Smith.

After the 2 games I feel a lot better about a promotion in 2013 and using the money on a better center or whatever. But this year I can't see feeling calm going into the playoffs. Even if Kaep goes player of the month in December. The playoffs are another level.

Being a QB is hard. With experience it gets easier but never easy. NFL history has many more examples of young QBs taking at least 1 step back on their development journey than those who avoid major pitfalls.

Steve McNair played a little as a rookie.

2nd year started 4 games.
Had a 65% 308 1-1 game
Had a 79% 238 1-0 game
2 other games had big plays and rating over 100

3rd season he started every game
62.5% was his best
266 was his best

4th season was when he again had a couple games like his breakout games.
But that was week 6 after 2 bad games in a row.

We'd hope to pull a Big Ben 2nd year Super Bowl win with holding teams to under 20. But he did have 27 starts before those playoffs. Including 2 playoff games with 5 ints.

Looking at the past just about all QBs mix in a complete face-plant starting playoff games early in careers. And most all of those will have had a track record beyond Kaep's 7 starts.

VAfy-ya
11-26-2012, 09:06 AM
I don't understand what this part has to do with Kaepernick's play. I expected a much better game against arguably the worst defense in the league, maybe my expectations were too high. Kaepernick put up pretty much the exact same numbers that every other QB has against the Saints this year. I agree that Alex would have taken more sacks, I already addressed that, but some of those penalties helped Kaepernick escape from the pocket in the first place. No one has even mentioned the 131 yards of YAC, the most the 49ers have had all season, when all that was mentioned after the Cardinals game was the 49ers YAC. The 49ers have almost 20 more yards of YAC per game with Kaepernick starting, not coincidentally Kaepernick has about 25 more YPG than Smith. Smith has a higher completion percentage, better touchdown percentage, higher QB rating and would have more YPA if the receivers got the same YAC they are getting now.



I am just trying to be the voice of moderation and reason here. Kaepernick had a great game against a tough Bears defense, no one is denying that, but to act like he had a good game against the Saints is ridiculous.

It is just hilarious and sad to me that Kaepernick puts up similar numbers to what Alex Smith does every week, maybe slightly worse, against one of the worst defenses in the league while the 49ers defense scores two touchdowns and Kaepernick gets all the praise and credit for winning. People completely ignore that the 49ers have more YPG and first downs per game in Smith's starts than they do in Kaepernick's. If Smith had that exact same game it would have been just managing the game and he would have gotten none of the credit. You all know this to be true

No one is giving all the praise to CK. He is getting talked about but of the QB situation but everyone knows the game is totally different if the defense doesn't score two TDs. What people are saying is that he played solid, and that in itself is a big deal. Maybe you don't remember how Alex looked in his first career start on the road. Now granted, the roster wasn't even close to talent on our current roster but still....it wasn't pretty nor successful on ANY level. You said yourself, CK did excatly what Alex has done all year....and that in itself, is what is impressive. The drop off from a 7 year vet who nearly led us to a SB to a QB who is still very raw is minimal at best. And there-in, lies the rub.

abaddon41_80
11-26-2012, 09:29 AM
I guess we just have different opinions on Kaepernick playing an average game against a terrible defense being a big deal, I don't think it is. RG3 went into New Orleans in his first ever start and had a much better game. Cam Newton and Philip Rivers, who have both been really bad this season, had better games. Every good QB that has faced the Saints this season; Manning, Ryan, Freeman, Rodgers and RG3; has shredded that defense.

I don't doubt Kaepernick's potential, with his arm and mobility he has the tools to be elite, but he isn't the best choice for us to win this year. He is raw, like you said, and he is going to have bad games or average ones where the defense isn't lights out, more of those games than Alex Smith would have.

Madirishman
11-26-2012, 10:08 AM
Very happy with the win. This was a game that needed to be a W and prove the Niners could go into a hostile environment and win a potential shootout. Kap played well but the D as the biggest deciding factor in the game.

Kap is still raw but has progressed a lot from last year. I was a huge fan of Harbaalke drafting either him or Dalton and was ecstatic when we got him. I believe he will be a stud QB with Harbaugh and Roman at the helm, mentoring and creating a system that will allow him to shine. His ceiling is not even in the same ballpark as Alex's; it's enormous. Alex has played well though and should not be just tossed to the side. When the playoffs start, a game manager that is less risky and conservative could be the way to go. Kap is dynamic and more of a risk-taker, which has more upside but more room for error as well. I really like the prospect of Kap being the QBOTF starting next year with another offseason of Harbaugh mentoring and chemistry development with receivers. I think he'd take another couple steps and really start to become the all around NFL QB he was drafted to be. But, if it's his time ow, then it's his time and I support this coaching staff's decision-making 100%.

I think that Kap should only continue to start if Harbaugh decides that the team has moved on from Alex. Alex's confidence will soon be shot and he will be a non-option moving forward and the Niners could be in serious trouble later this season should Kap slip.

Seeing these last 2 games and Harbaugh's previous treatment of Alex (not opening up the deeper passing playbook, etc.) it seems that although he likes Alex, he likes the upside of CK more and has given him more trust in the execution of plays, despite him still being raw. I can definitely see that Harbaugh has possibly already made his decision and is moving forward.

Ginn's job needs to be challenged ASAP. Waiting until next year to replace him may be too long. I know they're prepping James to take over return duties and maybe with Ginn's struggles and the Hunter injury, his time to step up will be next week in STL.

VAfy-ya
11-26-2012, 11:01 AM
I guess we just have different opinions on Kaepernick playing an average game against a terrible defense being a big deal, I don't think it is. RG3 went into New Orleans in his first ever start and had a much better game. Cam Newton and Philip Rivers, who have both been really bad this season, had better games. Every good QB that has faced the Saints this season; Manning, Ryan, Freeman, Rodgers and RG3; has shredded that defense.

I don't doubt Kaepernick's potential, with his arm and mobility he has the tools to be elite, but he isn't the best choice for us to win this year. He is raw, like you said, and he is going to have bad games or average ones where the defense isn't lights out, more of those games than Alex Smith would have.

That's not the same team the RG3 played. Not the same team team that started out 0-4. Check the stats from their last 4 games, the defense has been much improved ever since they got Vilma back and their LBs started getting healthy. They had all 3, Hawthorne, Lofton, and Vilma Sunday. RG3 didn't face them at full strength. And that's not to take away from the game he had, he was phenomenal but Alfred Morris ran wild on them. Our running game was very average most of the day.

But that Saints team was up for this game. All their players to a man, admitted that they had this game circled on their calender since the day the schedule was released. It was a team playing for their playoff lives. They were highly motivated and CK didn't flinch under the circumstances, calmly connecting on some key third downs. 3rd and 11, that pass to Walker for 25 yards.....not sure Alex makes that throw or converts that critical 3rd down.

I saw something I've never seen after that throw. It was while the Saints player was injured on the field. Jimbaugh had the QBs huddled over and he was talking to CK and Carlos Rogers came over and gave CK pound, right in the middle of the huddle and was like "Awesome throw bro". I've never seen a defensive player come over a dap a QB after a great throw. Mainly I guess because the elite ones always make throws like that so its the norm and not out of the ordinary. But I think that little gesture shows what the team sees in CK and how his play energizes the entire team. That's powerful stuff and can't be overlooked. Not saying Rogers wouldn't have done the same had Alex completed a similar throw but CK is just a different kind of QB. CK was one of the first guys to 'hoot and holler' and congratulate both Brooks and Whitner on their pick 6's. I've never seen Alex congrat or hug a defensive player after a big play. He's usually off in his own world, doing what QBs do and there's nothing wrong with that. Most QBs are just like him when the offense isn't on the field. But I think just way CK is, endures him to his teammates probably a little more than Alex. And we all know Alex is one of the best guys you want to know. But it'd a different energy with CK and it's a energy Jimbaugh sees and one he's taking into account, among other things.

Me and a friend of mine were a having a conversation about the QBs after the game and I brought up a point that I think needs to be looked at. I really think Jimbaugh should go back to Alex as the starter and here's why. Mentally, CK has shown whether its as a back-up or as a starter, he has the mental make-up to go into any situation and shine. He has that cockiness, that swag that no hurdle is too big for himself. He is a supremely confident individual.

Alex IMO, isn't built the same. Alex wouldn't be the same Alex as a back-up. He would lose some of that confidence, that swagger he had gained throughout this season. You put Alex back into the driver's seat, knowing that CK is well on his way and all your grooming has paid off. And and when you don't pick Alex's option during the off-season, you know your in good hands. But understanding the way Alex was playing, and seeing that he was starting to really take off before he got hurt, you give him back the keys to the offense and let fate run its course.

VAfy-ya
11-26-2012, 11:20 AM
Ginn's job needs to be challenged ASAP. Waiting until next year to replace him may be too long. I know they're prepping James to take over return duties and maybe with Ginn's struggles and the Hunter injury, his time to step up will be next week in STL.

So one fumble and now Ginn's job is in jeopardy? To who...a guy who has never return a punt in a NFL game before? Ginn has been solid fielding punts. He got cocky yesterday when he just should have let the Saints players down it inside the 5. I think that's his first muffed punt as a Niner. With K-10 likely done for the year, you thank your lucky stars you have a Ginn on the roster. He will continue to field punts and KOs. And he also slides right in to K-10's 4th WR role. Sorry for those of you who were expecting to see Jenkins on the field. Now I do think LMJ gets activated. Especially with both Hunter and K-10 hurt. LMJ is a back-up RB and is the guy their grooming to replace Ginn as the PR/KR next year. I think he'll definitely be suited up for the first time against the Rams and be the back-up PR/KR.

dan77733
11-26-2012, 12:17 PM
Unless Kaepernick gets injured, Smith is pretty much done as our starting QB and I'll be surprised if he's still on the roster come March because his base salary is $7.5m next year and he has a $1m roster bonus due in March. Sorry, but Smith isnt worth $8.5m a year to be the backup. Yes, he's a valuable backup but not worth that price especially when in 2014, we're going to have several top tier players who'll be UFA's. 2013 is going to be the off-season where a few players go and extend the young core which includes Bowman, Manningham, Williams, Brown, Whitner and a host of others.

Harbaugh is very much aware of this which is why he's going with Kaepernick now. Kaepernick also gives our offense something that it hasnt had since Garcia/Owens - a passing attack thats actually a threat and dangerous. We're not going to win anything playing that consertative get a single digit lead with field goals and then try to hold on for the win. That's not going to cut it anymore. Add in Akers sucking this year and Kaepernick's arm and big play ability makes him the far better choice.

I dont hate Alex Smith but let's be realistic. Team traded up and drafted Kaepernick in 2011 long before Smith was ever re-signed for 2011. And majority of people here wanted Smith gone but with the lockout, re-signing was the best move at the time but Kaepernick was Harbaugh's hand picked QB. Smith was not. This past March, Harbaugh went after Manning. Call it what you want. If Manning said yes to us, he would be our starting QB, Kaepernick would be the backup and Smith would be long gone.

Even before re-signing Smith in 2011, Harbaugh was already looking for his eventual replacement which turned out to be Kaepernick. Smith knew this was coming and no other team offered him a damn thing in March because every team knows that it was Harbaugh more than Smith that made him play good. Harbaugh was a QB and who better than him to decide who should and shouldnt be our QB?

Smith is a better version ofwhat Trent Dilfer was in 2000 with the Ravens. Smith has had a few good games and his record is damn good since the start of 2011 but at the same time, he has a great RB, great defense and a very good OL. Kaepernick has the same things that Smith had but the main difference is between Smith and Kaepernick themselves.

Smith is careful and scared to make mistakes which makes him a liability. Add in the fact that Harbaugh never fully took the chains off of Smith should also tell everyone here something - that he knew was Smith was and wasnt capable of. He used Smith to the best of his strengths and hid his weaknesses better than anyone else ever had or ever could.

Smith will make a play here and there but on the consistent basis that Kaepernick has already done. When the pocket breaks down and Smith is the QB, im scared and worried that something bad is going to happen. With Kaepernick, its the opposite because he can break tackles, scramble and make plays running AND PASSING.

He has the pure arm strength to gun the ball anywhere he needs it to be. Granted, his accuracy was off on a few passes (mainly the Moss pass which was very bad) but the difference is that Smith wouldnt even try to pass to a receiver at all. He would get sacked or throw the ball away. Watching replays of Kaepernick's passes, not only is he gunning the ball where it has to go, the ball is a pure tight spiral. Not some wobbler.

Unlike Smith, Kaepernick's big play ability has given us more 20+ yard plays in two games than I think I have seen all year plus his ability to convert on third downs has been HUGE. No more running on third downs, getting stuffed and punting. Screw that.

Quite honestly, I have been more pumped up since last Monday when Kaepernick started than I have been since last year's playoff run. And the reason why is simple - with Smith, I know what im going to see and get at QB. The same consertative, pansy ass playcalling thats done just so Smith wont make mistakes. Not going to win that way as already was proven to the loss against the Giants in the NFCCG.

It's an aggressive passing up tempo scoring league and Kaepernick fits that style much better than Smith. Best thing is that Kaepernick will only get better, smarter and improve his game where as with Smith, he is what he is and thats it. With both QB's, you also have to give a lot of credit to Harbaugh because he got the most out of Smith but he knows that he's reached his limits. With Kaepernick, he's just starting and can get a lot more out of him. Little by little, Harbaugh will do just that.

With Kaepernick, im actually pumped up and excited to see what he'll do on the field. His ability to scramble, break tackles, avoid sacks and dual threat ability makes him a lot of fun to watch and seeing him make plays especially passing which he has done more in two games than running in two seasons is just awesome to see. We've all wanted a QB who could actually pass down field and make big plays. Well, we finally have that guy so enjoy it instead of complaining about it because for the nine years before Harbaugh, we sucked plain and simple.

Some may think that Smith will be the best option come playoff time but I disagree completely. If Kaepernick plays out the season which im expecting him to do, no way do you take him out in favor of Smith and for what? So we can score 17 points and complete only one pass to a WR because the opposing defense doesnt fear him or our offense? Screw that.

Kaepernick all the way and quite honestly, if the greatest QB of all time Joe Montana can be replaced and traded, then what's happening to Smith shouldnt even be a discussion because there's no comparision whatsoever.

Anyway, on to crappy Saint Louis. Cant wait. Six more days to go.

dan77733
11-26-2012, 12:53 PM
Side notes -

I'm hoping James gets activated and is the main returner, not just because of Ginn's fumble but because Ginn hasnt been anywhere as good as he was last season. Would rather see James get some playing time and experience going into the playoffs and 2013.

Manningham has to start being used a little more. This guy has turned out to be a good signing and better than I ever expected. With Crabtree finally looking like a legitimate number one receiver, I think them two can make an excellent starting combo with Kaepernick at QB.

Still hoping Moss breaks out at some point but I think that he's just an extra at this point. However, with Kaepernick's ability to throw deep, I would like to see them test DB's down the field.

With Akers having a bad season (injured or not), is it time to start looking for a replacement for 2013? Also, with him having a bad season, its just another reason as to why we must be more aggressive, up tempo and score TD's instead of depending on him for FG's.

Aldon Smith. I love this guy. Guy has become an elite pass rusher and to think, he's going to break Reggie White's record and possibly Strahan's sack record in the same season. I'll be the first to say - WHO? when he was drafted but damn, Harbaugh and Baalke scored a 10 thus far with him. Now, if only they can bubble wrap him between games, he'll be perfect. LOL.

I'm so pumped now!!! And my friend's Cowboys suck. What an awesome time to be 49ers fan. :) :) :)

Justone2
11-26-2012, 02:30 PM
You know Akers has the exact same percentage in both categories only that he because he has less short FG's it looks bad. Last year he also had enoug misses on those 40+ yarders and this year its more of those and less of the 20-30 yarders which he makes with ease.

VAfy-ya
11-26-2012, 02:54 PM
Side notes -

I'm hoping James gets activated and is the main returner, not just because of Ginn's fumble but because Ginn hasnt been anywhere as good as he was last season. Would rather see James get some playing time and experience going into the playoffs and 2013.

Manningham has to start being used a little more. This guy has turned out to be a good signing and better than I ever expected. With Crabtree finally looking like a legitimate number one receiver, I think them two can make an excellent starting combo with Kaepernick at QB.

Still hoping Moss breaks out at some point but I think that he's just an extra at this point. However, with Kaepernick's ability to throw deep, I would like to see them test DB's down the field.

With Akers having a bad season (injured or not), is it time to start looking for a replacement for 2013? Also, with him having a bad season, its just another reason as to why we must be more aggressive, up tempo and score TD's instead of depending on him for FG's.

Aldon Smith. I love this guy. Guy has become an elite pass rusher and to think, he's going to break Reggie White's record and possibly Strahan's sack record in the same season. I'll be the first to say - WHO? when he was drafted but damn, Harbaugh and Baalke scored a 10 thus far with him. Now, if only they can bubble wrap him between games, he'll be perfect. LOL.

I'm so pumped now!!! And my friend's Cowboys suck. What an awesome time to be 49ers fan. :) :) :)



James WILL NEVER be the main returner with Ginn healthy and on the roster, wtf. Lay off the drugs Dan. This isn't Techmo Bowl. The kid looked god-awful in preseason fielding punts. He's a work in progress there. And I don't thank they just hand him the duties in the off-season either. They'll probably draft or bring in a couple of guys and make him earn the job. And he doesn't need experience, he's a freakin RB. Just plug him in and let him run...not that difficult to do. I doubt he gets many game reps tho. It'll be Gore and Jacobs handling most of the carries. His pass-protection and blitz pick-up still needs work. He needs to get stronger. Hunter was very underrated in that aspect. He learned from Gore and has been very good in that area. Hopefully Hunter's injury won't be too serious. We need his runs outside the tackles. They mesh with Gore's inside running really well.

And I find it hilarious that your so pumped now about the team. After the Rams game you were packing it in and saying the sky was falling and our season was over. So typical.....and irrational of you.

ViperVisor
11-26-2012, 03:36 PM
Some may think that Smith will be the best option come playoff time but I disagree completely. If Kaepernick plays out the season which im expecting him to do, no way do you take him out in favor of Smith and for what? So we can score 17 points and complete only one pass to a WR because the opposing defense doesnt fear him or our offense? Screw that.


That is what the offense did yesterday.

They didn't much fear the passing game cause it was Crabs, Kyle, and Swain.

Smith did chuck 1 deep through the rain drops. But it was like a Kaep rocket and went too far past Kyle.

dan77733
11-26-2012, 08:55 PM
James WILL NEVER be the main returner with Ginn healthy and on the roster, wtf. Lay off the drugs Dan. This isn't Techmo Bowl. The kid looked god-awful in preseason fielding punts. He's a work in progress there. And I don't thank they just hand him the duties in the off-season either. They'll probably draft or bring in a couple of guys and make him earn the job. And he doesn't need experience, he's a freakin RB. Just plug him in and let him run...not that difficult to do. I doubt he gets many game reps tho. It'll be Gore and Jacobs handling most of the carries. His pass-protection and blitz pick-up still needs work. He needs to get stronger. Hunter was very underrated in that aspect. He learned from Gore and has been very good in that area. Hopefully Hunter's injury won't be too serious. We need his runs outside the tackles. They mesh with Gore's inside running really well.

And I find it hilarious that your so pumped now about the team. After the Rams game you were packing it in and saying the sky was falling and our season was over. So typical.....and irrational of you.

Ginn hasnt done a damn thing period. James should at least be given the backup role. Drugs? No thanks. Never touched them, never will. And pre-season doesnt mean anything. He could still provide a spark on special teams but we wont know until he's given the chance. Hope he backs up Gore too. I still dont like Jacobs and personally, would have released him already but thats just me.

I was pissed in the Rams game because coming off the bye, team played like ****!!! Getting beat TWICE on punts? Having a tie with the Rams in SF??? I was pissed and still am. I'm pumped now because I get to see a QB thats exciting to watch as opposed to dull, boring and predictable Smith. Sorry but any 49ers fan who WASNT pissed with the Rams game isnt a fan. Come on. Losing to the crappy Rams and Danny Amendola??? Give me a damn break.

That is what the offense did yesterday.

They didn't much fear the passing game cause it was Crabs, Kyle, and Swain.

Smith did chuck 1 deep through the rain drops. But it was like a Kaep rocket and went too far past Kyle.

Yeah, I know the offense scored 17 points. Technically, it should have been 23 and we finished with 31 points. You can say it was the defense that scored 14 points but if im the only one that sees the entire team being pumped up with Kaepernick as the QB, than I must be watching a completely different 49ers team.

And because Smith and Harbaugh were too scared to at least take shots downfield. Thankfully, thats no longer an issue.

Super Bowl bound baby!!! Enjoy the ride!!! :)

VAfy-ya
11-26-2012, 09:53 PM
If Ginn hasn't done anything, I shudder to think what a rookie who has yet to be even activated for a NFL game, yet alone play in one would do. Do your hear yourself? Ginn is only one of the better PR/KR in the league. A guy who if he is healthy in late January, has us in the Super Bowl and on our way to Lombardi #6. He muffs ONE punt and suddenly his replaceable by a rookie who couldn't even field punts in games that didn't matter. But you want to roll the dice and actually let him get some 'experience' in games that actually do count....yea, let's try that.

And I recall EVERYONE being mad about the Rams game. I only recall one person saying our season was over. HUGEEEEE difference, no matter how you try and spin it 2 weeks later.

dan77733
11-26-2012, 10:09 PM
If Ginn hasn't done anything, I shudder to think what a rookie who has yet to be even activated for a NFL game, yet alone play in one would do. Do your hear yourself? Ginn is only one of the better PR/KR in the league. A guy who if he is healthy in late January, has us in the Super Bowl and on our way to Lombardi #6. He muffs ONE punt and suddenly his replaceable by a rookie who couldn't even field punts in games that didn't matter. But you want to roll the dice and actually let him get some 'experience' in games that actually do count....yea, let's try that.

And I recall EVERYONE being mad about the Rams game. I only recall one person saying our season was over. HUGEEEEE difference, no matter how you try and spin it 2 weeks later.

So because a rookie hasnt played automatically cant do anything positive on returns? Excepet for a few plays here and there, Kaepernick didnt do anything until the second half of the Rams game but I guess because he never really played before, he should be benched? Come on. Dont know how James will do unless he's on the field. Ginn has barley done anything. He hasnt provided the spark that he provided last year. I dont care what James did in pre-season. He could actually break one for a TD or he could fumble but you dont either way unless he plays. As for the NFCCG...people need to stop blaming Kyle Williams...if we actually had a passing attack, we would have blown out the Giants. Thats the REAL REASON we lost. Not Kyle Williams. No receivers, no threat, an average QB and a HC who didnt want to take chances with Smith because he was afraid he would lose the game. Williams isnt the reason we lost, he's just the scapegoat which was evident by signing Moss, Manningham and drafting Jenkins.

I dont remember saying the season was over. If you want to find where I said that, feel free to post it.

And on a side note -

We're averaging 31.5ppg with Kaepernick as the starter. With Smith, we averaged 23.6ppg. Excluded the Rams tie for both. Slice it however you want but scoring 7.9ppg more in my book is a good thing. The entire team seems more energized, pumped and determined with Kaepernick than they did with Smith.

Oh well, to each his own,

VAfy-ya
11-26-2012, 10:26 PM
SB aspirations? More like SB fantasies. Team isnt good enough to get to the Super Bowl let alone win it.

Ummm yea, that was you Dan....in all your post-game glory. If we don't have SB aspirations and "are not good enough" then your basically saying our season is over because is that not why we play? To get to and ultimately win a SB?

dan77733
11-26-2012, 11:43 PM
Ummm yea, that was you Dan....in all your post-game glory. If we don't have SB aspirations and "are not good enough" then your basically saying our season is over because is that not why we play? To get to and ultimately win a SB?

Okay, okay. You win. You're right but after watching the Rams game, I cant be the only one who thought that we werent good enough to get to the Super Bowl, let alone win it. Or maybe I was.

Either way, you're right. I'm sorry. I was wrong.

Menardo75
11-27-2012, 12:19 AM
Okay, okay. You win. You're right but after watching the Rams game, I cant be the only one who thought that we werent good enough to get to the Super Bowl, let alone win it. Or maybe I was.

Either way, you're right. I'm sorry. I was wrong.

Yeah you are the only one.

Madirishman
11-28-2012, 09:20 AM
So one fumble and now Ginn's job is in jeopardy? To who...a guy who has never return a punt in a NFL game before? Ginn has been solid fielding punts. He got cocky yesterday when he just should have let the Saints players down it inside the 5. I think that's his first muffed punt as a Niner. With K-10 likely done for the year, you thank your lucky stars you have a Ginn on the roster. He will continue to field punts and KOs. And he also slides right in to K-10's 4th WR role. Sorry for those of you who were expecting to see Jenkins on the field. Now I do think LMJ gets activated. Especially with both Hunter and K-10 hurt. LMJ is a back-up RB and is the guy their grooming to replace Ginn as the PR/KR next year. I think he'll definitely be suited up for the first time against the Rams and be the back-up PR/KR.

I didn't say take Ginn's job; but to challenge it. Send him a message, not just because of his fumble, but more so that he hasnt been in the same realm of effectiveness as he was last season. It could be the downturn of the special teams and blocking overall, but it wouldn't hurt to light a fire under his a$$. If the most important position on the team can be challenged (and even have a replacement) at QB, then I don't see the harm in doing so with other positions that have starters that are not being as effective as they are capable of being. Ginn hasn't passed the eye test for me for weeks and I think it wouldn't hurt to give him a little motivation/competition, that is all.