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J-Mike88
11-24-2012, 09:09 AM
The Packers will have SIX 1st round picks on the sideline at the start of the game. Hopefully no more than 6 after the game.
That's in addition to Greg Jennings, Sam Shields, Desmond Bishop, DJ Smith.

Starting safety Kenny Phillips will be back (javascript://) for the Giants after missing 6 games prior to the bye.

Ahmad Bradshaw (http://www.nypost.com/blogs/giantsblog) has had big moments against Green Bay. He's ready for more tomorrow night.

Justin Tuck has tons of respect for Aaron Rodgers (http://www.nypost.com/blogs/giantsblog)>

Hakeem Nicks owns the Packers (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/giants_await_another_breakout_game_INGpIjbglAeGZo0 PDYNuOO).

Eli Manning has been struggling big time (http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/wake_up_EhXYi3QCC1G2TRzDCbv6HI). He expects to get well versus the injury-riddled Packers defense that is missing it's key 2 players in Matthews & Woodson.

princefielder28
11-25-2012, 02:56 PM
The game tonight should be a fun one

TimmG6376
11-25-2012, 07:24 PM
Hope so.

Offensive line is going to have to be sharp and the new additions on defense are going to have to step up.

princefielder28
11-25-2012, 07:30 PM
Rodgers needs to get rid of the ball more quickly than he has shown throughout this season if he wants to survive this game.

princefielder28
11-25-2012, 07:36 PM
Giants made that drive look easy

TimmG6376
11-25-2012, 07:41 PM
Love you Jordy

SuperPacker
11-25-2012, 07:42 PM
looks like this is gonna be a shoot-out

princefielder28
11-25-2012, 07:45 PM
looks like this is gonna be a shoot-out

that it does

TimmG6376
11-25-2012, 07:48 PM
Damn. Hayward almost had that.

SuperPacker
11-25-2012, 07:50 PM
that it does

repeat of the same fixture last season I guess.

princefielder28
11-25-2012, 07:54 PM
Is McCarthy trying to look like Holmgren?

And what a stunner....

princefielder28
11-25-2012, 08:04 PM
Davon, that can't happen!

princefielder28
11-25-2012, 08:08 PM
Aaron, Aaron, Aaron #smh

princefielder28
11-25-2012, 08:44 PM
Mason made a field goal, wow!

princefielder28
11-25-2012, 08:54 PM
Newhouse #fail

princefielder28
11-25-2012, 10:06 PM
MD Jennings is hurt.

We need to get through the remainder of this game as healthy as possible.

CheeseKnuckles
11-25-2012, 10:08 PM
This is a joke!

- O-Line and D-Line are garbage
- WRs can't get any seperation
- Everyone playing soft
- McCarthy outcoached
- Morgan Burnett can't tackle... MD Jennings doesn't belong on the field

What a freaking joke.

PackerLegend
11-25-2012, 10:09 PM
Burn this thread.. J-Mike ur gameday thread making license has been revoked.

J-Mike88
11-25-2012, 11:10 PM
Burn this thread.. J-Mike ur gameday thread making license has been revoked.
Burn it.... burn the Packers OL.
They are softer than Elton John sitting next to a naked Playmate.

Newhouse and Lang on the edges are DANGEROUS.
Getting Rodgers thru the game still standing with both arms attached is one big positive to take from this game.
No more.

Crosby still sucks.


Studs:

AJ Hawk, Ryan Pickett

Whereas everyone else on this defense gets hurt, comes up lame, tackles like girls, etc. AJ Hawk continues to stay on the field, and work his white *** off. I'm tired of all our guys getting hurt while Alden Smith, Justin Smith, Patrick Willis, Novorro Bowman, Ahmad Brooks, and the 49er stud DBs all remain PHYSICAL and stay HEALTHY.

Is it a coincidence again? Like last year and the year before?

Or are our guys not taking the same "supplements" that they are?

BJ Raji deserves mention too for not breaking down like a cheap piece of china.

Duds:

Aaron Rodgers, for continuing to lock-in on Cobb too often, and ignore Jones and Jordy.

TJ Lang.

Jeff Saturday.

Evan Dietrich Smith.

Marshall Newhouse.

They all sucked.... they ARE soft. I hate Newhouse not only for allowing guys to go around him and sack and strip sack Rodgers, but also because he was the sieve last year who let Tamba Hali go around him time and time again in Kansas City, and then nail Derek Sherrod, snapping his leg twice. Sherrod SHOULD be the starting LT and Bulaga the RT. Newhouse should be #3, and at RT.

The tackling on defense. They made, AS THEY ALWAYS DO, Ahmad Bradshaw look like Jim Brown.

And AS USUAL, they made Victor Cruz & Hakeem Nicks look red hot. They had struggled coming in, but they lick their chops every time they see our swiss cheese defense.

Mason Crosby..... early on, McCarthy gave him a chance to get his confidence back by letting him have a crack at a 55-yard FG. No pressure as a 55-yarder is not a gimme, and it was early so the game wasn't on the line. They were with the wind.

Crosby, as he usually does, missed it wide. Left this time.

I'm tired of the Mason Crosby Experiment. He's always been a choke, never had the clutch gene that someday we might need.

I want to add Dom Capers because every single time he faces Eli, Nicks, Cruz, he lets them look like they are Canton-bound first ballot.

But in this case, missing 4 starting LBers, plus Woodson and Shields, you have to cut him some slack. Especially since Rodgers gave them 2 turnovers in our territory.

BloodBrother
11-25-2012, 11:26 PM
Burnett disappoints me. I expected more from him but he still hasn't taken the next step. They really miss Nick Collins. He gave them a Pro Bowl safety back there. They now have issues as Safety, period

this OL continues to get worked over by the elite teams like SF and NYG. That doesn't bode well for the playoffs

D was bad but the O turned the ball over twice in their own territory AND had that stupid FG attempt from 55 yards which set NY up with great FP

a beatdown through and through but in the end its just 1 loss. They are still in good position for a playoff spot and still in it for the division title

CheeseKnuckles
11-25-2012, 11:27 PM
What is the deal with Rodgers and locking onto a specific target lately? I feel like in the beginning of the season it was Finley now it is Cobb... During our Superbowl run it felt like he was hitting numerous recievers every game. Distributing the ball which made our offense extremely dangerous because any game someone else could be "the guy" or whatever you want to say?

Is this a matter of MM gameplan? or Roders being locked in on a certain target? Or what is just really noticeable tonight because he had absolutely no time to go through his progressions?

CheeseKnuckles
11-25-2012, 11:29 PM
Burnett disappoints me. I expected more from him but he still hasn't taken the next step. They really miss Nick Collins. He gave them a Pro Bowl safety back there. They now have issues as Safety, period

this OL continues to get worked over by the elite teams like SF and NYG. That doesn't bode well for the playoffs

D was bad but the O turned the ball over twice in their own territory AND had that stupid FG attempt from 55 yards which set NY up with great FP

a beatdown through and through but in the end its just 1 loss. They are still in good position for a playoff spot and still in it for the division title

My buddy and I were talking about the same thing... Burnett looks the part, but does not play the part. Horrible tackling by him almost always!

BloodBrother
11-25-2012, 11:46 PM
Yep, he just hasn't become the player I thought he would. Safety play leaves something to be desired. Same goes with the LB play outside of Clay

Dezman Moses has shown some good pass rush ability/endless motor though, so he has promise

PackerLegend
11-26-2012, 12:18 PM
This play calling we do is so damn predictable I hate it....
Do we really miss Jennings that bad? There have been times the last few games between Rodgers getting killed in 1 second that he has had all day. Yet he just stands there for an hour while seemingly nobody can get open.

BloodBrother
11-26-2012, 12:34 PM
They do miss Jennings but the problem is that MM just seems so damn stubborn. He doesn't want defenses to dictate how he runs his offense. It's quite clear that this OL isn't that good this season and definitely can't stack up vs a DL like the Giants. Why not have 2 TE's out there to help chip the DE's. Where were the quick passes, screens, roll outs...etc. Just trying to do what they do when it clearly wasn't working and not making adjustments

Honestly, it looks like this team misses Philbin more than we thought it would.

Also, what's up with Tramon's tackling this year? He was crap vs the run last night. When did he get soft?

Another thing, Evan Dietrich-Smith is garbage. He stunk last year when he got time and he stinks this year. We knew the OL depth was bad though and a big issue with the team. You shouldn't lose a starting tackle and subsequently get worse at 2 spots because of it. Lang was doing fine at LG, but he isn't a RT and last night showed it. OL now has a crappy LG in EDS, a LG who is trying to play RT, and JEff Saturday has been a huuuge bust because he's worthless to. Newhouse continues to be inconsistent where he'll play great one week, stink up the joint the next week, then have a game where he is crappy in the 1st half and then great in the 2nd.

J-Mike88
11-26-2012, 08:00 PM
#1- Nick Collins was so so so so so underrated. Non-Packer fans had no idea who he was, but he was the glue back there, and a rare talent.

#2- MM is not the coach to blame here. I know he's stubborn at times, but he tried to run it yesterday. Like he did last week when Starks got 25 carries.

The bad coach is the OL coach.

princefielder28
11-26-2012, 08:10 PM
#1- Nick Collins was so so so so so underrated. Non-Packer fans had no idea who he was, but he was the glue back there, and a rare talent.

#2- MM is not the coach to blame here. I know he's stubborn at times, but he tried to run it yesterday. Like he did last week when Starks got 25 carries.

The bad coach is the OL coach.

I'm not throw the OL coach under the bus.

Marshall Newhouse - a good backup tackle but he's not someone who has proven to be dependable throughout a season

Evan Dietrich-Smith - any team is in trouble if he's playing a lot; adequate guy as a backup

Jeff Saturday - pretty clear why the Colts gave up on his old ass, liability in running game

Josh Sitton - the only stud on the line but one out of five is poor for the overall unit

TJ Lang - played tackle in college but there's clearly reasons why he was kicked inside after entering the league; decent left guard, not an ideal starter at right tackle

I will point the finger at Ted Thompson for this mess. If we have Scott Wells at center then it's not so bad but we only have one proven, or capable, starter at their current positions right now. Plus what have we drafted in terms of competition for the line other than Sherrod in the first round in 2011. Datko in the 7th this year?!?! Not enough.

RockJock07
11-26-2012, 09:43 PM
In the last few seasons the Packers have tried to get away with journeymen playing opposite of Clay Matthews. They finally took the position seriously and drafted Perry high this past year.

I feel like the Packers need to do this the RB position and here is my logic. The Packers have been unable to figure out Cover-2 since the KC game last season. Given that it's time to start thinking about getting a real RB to help bring safeties up to the LOS so match ups can be created.

We have been sitting here all season wondering why the Packers can't get open and I have to believe that this is more on coaching now. Since the KC game last year the offense has looked good in 1 game (Houston) and I'm starting to think that McCarthy is hell bent on running his offense no matter what.

MM is big on TEs. That was a perfect game last night to have your TE dominate with the Giants rushing 4 and dropping into deep coverage, Finley should have had a career night which would have caused the Giants to adjust thus maybe creating a match up for Cobb or Nelson.

Not to write a novel but there are so many unknowns with this offense its amazing. There is a clear rift with Rodgers and Finley, Jennings absence has an unknown effect, no clear RB plan, and a offensive line that in capable of pass blocking.

One more note. Jason Wilde of ESPN Milwaukee floated the idea that the Packers were not showing all their cards in case of a rematch at some point down the road. He basically stated that Jennings could have played but Jason thought that MM was more focus on the 3 upcoming division games. Interesting if nothing else.

BloodBrother
11-26-2012, 10:57 PM
Lets keep in mind to though, what have the packers used their last 4 1st round picks on? 2 pass rushers(Clay, Perry) and 2 bookend tackles(Sherrod, Bulaga)

that's gonna hurt your team when you aren't getting any return out of those investments right now.

RockJock07
11-26-2012, 11:08 PM
Lets keep in mind to though, what have the packers used their last 4 1st round picks on? 2 pass rushers(Clay, Perry) and 2 bookend tackles(Sherrod, Bulaga)

that's gonna hurt your team when you aren't getting any return out of those investments right now.


Very true, however Sherrod is a huge question mark, there were whispers of his injury being career threatening however that has quieted recently. Still I don't think he sees the field this season.

J-Mike88
11-27-2012, 08:21 AM
Lets keep in mind to though, what have the packers used their last 4 1st round picks on? 2 pass rushers (Clay, Perry) and 2 bookend tackles (Sherrod, Bulaga)
Exactly.
You can't put any blame on Ted Thompson for the OL struggling missing Bulaga. Or the pass rush. Perry was doing good, and we had great depth there....

You take away FOUR starting LBers from the 49er defense and see how they do. We're missing Matthews & Perry, and Bishop and DJ Smith.

I agree with Wilde about not showing our hand. The thing is, there could have been a lot of changes between now and January when and if we played them again. You still should go all out.

Good call against the Cover-2....
The thing is, Finley is NOT great. He's not as fast as he was before his 2 knee issues.

But we really could benefit from a great RB outta the backfield.
Benson was becoming a very effective "check down" receiver out of the backfield for us before he went down. He'd always get an extra yard, two or three.

They hoped Alex Green could be this guy.

Imagine having a threat outta the backfield like a Matt Forte, Chris Johnson, LeSean McCoy, MJD, Ray Rice, Arian Foster, Darren Sproles, Jamaal Charles, Franky Gore, Darren McFadden.... teams now don't account for covering our RB once the play is under way and the RB appears to block.

They're more worried about Cobb, Finley, and watching for Rodgers to run.... We have a lot more we can do if we want to start making teams pay for ignoring the RBs.

J-Mike88
11-27-2012, 08:29 AM
In the last 52 weeks, the Packers have met the Giants three times. Green Bay has allowed 35, 37 and 38 points, and an average of 419 yards a game, and nine Eli Manning touchdown passes. Time for defensive coordinator Dom Capers to figure out a way to cover the Giants deep. Time for Charles Woodson and Clay Matthews to heal. Time for a shaky line to protect Aaron Rodgers. Time for GM Ted Thompson to find reinforcements for the line.

BloodBrother
11-27-2012, 08:55 AM
Very true, however Sherrod is a huge question mark, there were whispers of his injury being career threatening however that has quieted recently. Still I don't think he sees the field this season.

Oh yeah, I don't expect Sherrod to play at all this season and his injury does concern me. Lets hope for the best that he's able to return and live up to his potential at some point, because I'm not really sold on Newhouse being the long term option

The line has good pieces in it going forward(Bulaga and Sitton are very good, and Lang is a decent LG). The issues are C and LT. Of course, for this season, the issues are pretty much all over the line thanks to the loss of Bulaga.

I honestly want to see what Barclay could do at LG. EDS and Saturday and LG/C is scary

J-Mike88
11-27-2012, 02:18 PM
From the WOW department:

According to ESPN Stats & Information, Rodgers was under duress – sacked, hurried or hit – on 17 of his 33 dropbacks against the Giants, a whopping 51.5 percent of the time. That’s the highest percentage of any qualifying quarterback in the NFL this season.

bigboiajhawk
11-27-2012, 10:04 PM
From the WOW department:

According to ESPN Stats & Information, Rodgers was under duress – sacked, hurried or hit – on 17 of his 33 dropbacks against the Giants, a whopping 51.5 percent of the time. That’s the highest percentage of any qualifying quarterback in the NFL this season.


Yup, I loved one of the replays where I believe it was Cobb running down the seam on the left side, and he was wide open for a touchdown, the only problem: Rodgers was running for his life to the right side and had no way of seeing Cobb.

Ugh, I have waited until Tuesday to look at commentary from that game....it was just so pathetic, but hopefully, that was a good lesson for the team and they wont want to get embarrassed like that again.

Finally, my last comment on the game and maybe just in general. Why on earth do we only have 2 DL in the game when the other team is at the 9 yard line going in for a score. No crap BJ Raji and Jerel Worthy are gonna get double and moved off the line of scrimmage. I hate that crap, and I also hate the 2 DL pass rush with one LB coming off the edge, you might as well tell the opposing QB to sit in the pocket and absolutely dont throw it until someone is 100% open.

And with that, my complaining is done.....gosh that was just a brutal game to watch.

Onto the positives and other comments. I think Casey Hayward and Davon House are really starting to develop. House is a step slow sometimes, but he seems to have a football IQ, and Hayward is certainly in the running for DROY. I really like Mike Daniels and wish he would play more (it seems like the coaches are just not giving him enough chances). I 100% disagree with anyone that thinks we need better RB's. We had Cedric Benson, and he couldn't hardly muster 3.5 yards a carry when he was playing; clearly not RB's fault, but faulty OL play. Lastly, why did we give up on the no-huddle offense?

TimmG6376
11-28-2012, 10:29 AM
Hayward and House have played well. I like how House fights, he doesn't give up anything easy. Hayward just has great instincts. We are in good shape at DB with Tramon, Shields, Hayward, and House. I also like McMillian's future at S. Not sure if he can be a FS but have hope that he could be the SS of the future.

As for the running game; really good RBs can make a mediocre OL look good. A really good OL can make mediocre RBs look good. But when you put mediocre RBs behind a mediocre OL what you get is the 2012 Packers. If they truly want to run the ball one of those things has to improve.

Look at what Doug Martin is doing in Tampa. His OL isn't exactly full of All-Pros. Outside of Donald Penn I have never heard of most of them. Their starting RG is Jamon Meredith who was a washout at OT for both the Packers and Bills.