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Jay
05-03-2007, 09:46 PM
Nice of Manny to break out of his slump tonight. The game has been over for about 10 minutes now and I don't think he's left the batters box yet on his last HR...

ElectricEye
05-04-2007, 01:11 AM
lol. Yeah, good to see Manny go slump busting. Wouldn't be the lest bit surprised if he starts to get real hot real fast.

luckyjackaubrey
05-04-2007, 08:35 AM
It was nice to see the O bail Dice-K out yet again. The record is not bad, but the rest of his numbers are pretty shaky. He obviously has the talent, I hope the attention and the bright lights aren't affecting him.

Psyched to see lil Devern Hansack flinging peas again. That lil' dude can toss BB's.

luckyjackaubrey
05-04-2007, 10:43 AM
Jacoby Ellsbury is promoted to Pawsox today. That means the OF is getting crowded down there. Brandon Moss is playing well and Murphy is struggling with the bat but was mentioned in many trade rumors this winter.

All good stuff as we lead towards mid season aquisitions. I hope Coco keeps getting better and we can actually get something for him mid season.

Damn I need to get me a sig !

Jay
05-04-2007, 01:16 PM
Yeah, I am pumped about Ellsbury being promoted. Just look at that outfield in Pawtuckett:

Moss - Ellsbury - Murphy

Three young, solid-to-great prospects at a high level. I have no doubt in my mind that David Murphy will be cashed in for a middle reliever or as part of a big trade some time in 2007. Ellsbury will be up sooner than September 1st call ups. Moss is only 23, so we've got another year or two to hold on to him...

Jay
05-04-2007, 01:29 PM
http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/jacoby_pawsox.jpg

ElectricEye
05-04-2007, 03:13 PM
Very good news. Future center fielder/ leadoff hitter.
...even though Coco has done pretty well as of late.

Bigburt63
05-05-2007, 09:55 PM
tavarez looked great tonight, too bad the offense didnt back him up at all

luckyjackaubrey
05-06-2007, 03:48 PM
So Gents, the drama plays out as expected. Rocket is re-upping with the Bombers. It would have been too easy to have him sign here and have us run away with the thing by July. Now the gap is closed some and the season will be rife with cheek clentching exitement and a truly incurrable case of pennant fever !

ElectricEye
05-06-2007, 08:47 PM
Rocket drama aside...Pedroia has started swinging well. Good news.

Bigburt63
05-09-2007, 10:33 PM
ya pedroia is red hot, and daisuke looked great tonight

ElectricEye
05-09-2007, 11:09 PM
Gotta love Pedroia. His average is up to .267. I think he'll settle in at .270 at stay there for awhile.
Good outing for Daisuke tonight.

Don Vito
05-13-2007, 05:26 PM
That was the greatest comeback ever.

Nalej
05-14-2007, 01:23 PM
That was the greatest comeback ever.

No, the Red Sox comin' back from 3 down in ALCS to win the series and then the World Series was the greatest ever.

This wasn't bad though. Great game.


btw... I'm not a Tavarez fan.
I can't wait til Lester gets back.

alca1992
05-15-2007, 10:43 AM
No, the Red Sox comin' back from 3 down in ALCS to win the series and then the World Series was the greatest ever.

This wasn't bad though. Great game.


btw... I'm not a Tavarez fan.
I can't wait til Lester gets back.

is anybody a Taverez fan

his E.R.A. is 6.60 and he is 1-4 he sucks

Don Vito
05-15-2007, 11:51 AM
No, the Red Sox comin' back from 3 down in ALCS to win the series and then the World Series was the greatest ever.

This wasn't bad though. Great game.


btw... I'm not a Tavarez fan.
I can't wait til Lester gets back.

No **** I was joking, but it was a great game. Tavares is really not too good, but he should be a decent reliever if Lester comes back OK. That would make our bullpen even better, and when you add a healthy Timlin, it will be great.

Jay
05-16-2007, 07:47 PM
http://web.minorleaguebaseball.com/images/2007/05/12/do2AGQhk.jpg

Michael Bowden has officially been called up to AA Portland. He finishes his career at A Lancaster with a line of:

2-0, 1.37 ERA, 46 IP (8 starts), 48/6 K/BB

His last start with Lancaster, he gave up one hit over 7 IP striking out five for the win. Get pumped, this kid is as good a prospect as Jon Lester, Clay Buchholz or even Jonathan Papelbon for that matter, if not better. And he doesn't even turn 21 until September...

alca1992
05-17-2007, 10:34 AM
so do you guys think that lester will start when he gets called up or will he just be in the bullpen for a little while til there comfortable with him starting

luckyjackaubrey
05-17-2007, 05:51 PM
Lester will be in the rotation. I think it will be after he first builds up his pitch count and secondly gets on a good role in Pawtucket. There is no hurry thanks to the Yanks misfortunes.

Sniper
05-17-2007, 06:00 PM
Good to see Tavarez come through with a big start. I'm really not high on this guy, but he pitched a gem today. I still want Lester back though

luckyjackaubrey
05-17-2007, 06:47 PM
Thaat was a big performance by a #5 guy. I hope he goes on a nice little run and ups his trade value 'cause the book has been written on him. He has a rubber arm and will give you one good flash ( remember last year in Sept. ?) but will end up a .500 pitcher at best.

Nalej
05-17-2007, 08:30 PM
From what I heard....

Once Lester's on the roster... he'll make one (maybe 2) bullpen appearances...
before swappin' places with Tavarez as our 5 guy

Jay
05-17-2007, 09:27 PM
That wouldn't be completely ridiculous, considering they'd have to line him up for the #5 rotation slot and wouldn't necessarily want him to sit idly for however long that took.

What a game from Hinske tonight...

255979119
05-18-2007, 12:36 AM
That wouldn't be completely ridiculous, considering they'd have to line him up for the #5 rotation slot and wouldn't necessarily want him to sit idly for however long that took.

What a game from Hinske tonight...

Bah!! I absolutely despise Eric Hinske. Sure, he has always had a solid glove. And his rookie year was phenomenal. But to decline as bad as he did in just a year made me sick. Although I was disgusted that Ricciardi traded him to the Sox for cash, could always use another bench hitter.

Bigburt63
05-18-2007, 06:37 AM
hinske is solid of the bench, better than most teams at least

Jay
05-18-2007, 06:42 AM
I don't love Eric Hinske or anything, but he almost single handedly won that game for the Red Sox last night with the catch and the HR. If he doesn't make that catch, that HR he hit is only tying the game, because it would have gone for an inside-the-parker.

Jay
05-19-2007, 10:24 AM
Michael Bowden's first AA start with Portland was last night:

5 IP, 2 H, 1 ER, 2 BB, 5 K (W, 1-0)

Very nice.

Clay Buchholz keeps getting robbed of wins. His start Thursday:

5.2 IP, 3 H, 1 R, 3 BB, 7 K

He had a 1-0 lead going into the sixth and then gave up his only run of the night. Lame.

And our A team in Lancaster lost last night... 30-0. Damn.

luckyjackaubrey
05-19-2007, 08:30 PM
Send Moss (Randy) to Lancaster - they need the offense more than our Pats.
In all seriousness that league is a renowned hitters paradise , I really wonder why we chose that affiliation to begin with. It is so far away and it is a league that tortures young pitching.

Jay
05-19-2007, 09:13 PM
We got caught with our pants down. The neglected Wilmington and they gave us the big FU and said they weren't renewing our contract. At that point, Lancaster was the only high A team left without a club, and that was that. It's a two year deal and now that Bowden is out of there, the only kids we really need to worry about there are Daniel Bard, Kris Johnson and Justin Masterson. OK, so 3/5 of the rotation, but whatev. They might be better of sending Bard down to Greenville because he has been getting crushed at Lancaster, and I don't think it is helping his psyche...

But the fact that Bowden was so good in Lancaster is VERY encouraging...

Jay
05-20-2007, 06:06 PM
Jon Lester (forearm) retired the last 10 batters he faced in his rehab start last night for Triple-A Pawtucket.

Lester threw 48 pitches in 3 2/3 scoreless innings, allowing one hit and a walk with two strikeouts. He experienced muscle cramping in his left forearm in his last game on May 2 and was recalled from the rehab assignment, remaining on the disabled list.

First baseman Aaron Bates had a four-homer game Saturday for Single-A Lancaster.

Just a crazy place to play baseball. Lancaster bounced back from Friday's 30-0 debacle to beat Lake Elsinore 14-12 at home tonight. The 23-year-old Bates is up to 13 homers and is hitting .294/.436/.634 overall. However, that drops to .253/.436/.453 in road games. A 2006 third-round pick, he is something of a prospect. However, the Red Sox have higher hopes for their first baseman in low-A, Lars Anderson

Curt Schilling will get an extra day off this week after struggling through six innings Thursday against the Tigers.

Julian Tavarez is getting moved up to Tuesday, with Schilling following on Wednesday. Both will be facing the Yankees.

I liked Aaron Bates out of the draft. I know Lancaster is ridiculous, but 4 HR's in a game is 4 HR's in a game.

Two or three more starts for Lester and he's back in Boston. His next start, they are going to let him throw 60 pitches, then 70, and from there, I think he can come to Boston and throw 80, but he'll likely do it at Pawtuckett...

luckyjackaubrey
05-20-2007, 06:51 PM
How about Kason today ? Nice job by the kid.

Sniper
05-20-2007, 06:56 PM
With the pitching matchups I was scared we'd lose 2 of 3, but it worked out nicely. What are the matchups looking like for the Yankees series? I'm assuming Wake, Schill and Dice?

P-L
05-20-2007, 07:08 PM
With the pitching matchups I was scared we'd lose 2 of 3, but it worked out nicely. What are the matchups looking like for the Yankees series? I'm assuming Wake, Schill and Dice?

Wakefield vs Wang
Tavarez vs Mussina
Schilling vs Pettitte

P-L
05-20-2007, 07:49 PM
If some of you are interested, here is how our top prospects are doing. I'll try and update a few times a month if I remember.

Jacoby Ellsbury
Portland: 73 AB, .429/.518/.644, 16 R, 10 2B, 2 3B, 0 HR, 13 RBI, 6 BB, 7 K, 8 SB, 1 CS
Pawtucket: 66 AB, .258/.329/.333, 11 R, 1 2B, 2 3B, 0 HR, 2 RBI, 6 BB, 10 K, 7 SB, 2 CS

Lars Anderson
Greenville: 146 AB, .315/.398/.486, 16 R, 11 2B, 1 3B, 4 HR, 21 RBI, 20 BB, 41 K, 1 SB, 2 CS

Jason Place
Greenville: 130 AB, .192/.269/.362, 15 R, 8 2B, 1 3B, 4 HR, 12 RBI, 14 BB, 51 K, 3 SB, 2 CS

George Kottaras
Pawtucket: 84 AB, .179/.296/.298, 6 R, 7 2B, 0 3B, 1 HR, 6 RBI, 13 BB, 22 K, 0 SB, 0 CS

Brandon Moss
Pawtucket: 145 AB, .269/.376/.490, 19 R, 11 2B, 0 3B, 7 HR, 28 RBI, 24 BB, 40 K, 0 SB, 0 CS

David Murphy
Pawtucket: 152 AB, .303/.398/.447, 25 R, 10 2B, 3 3B, 2 HR, 18 RBI, 23 BB, 35 K, 2 SB, 0 CS

Clay Buchholz
Portland: 1-1, 39.2 IP, 1.82 ERA, 0.81 WHIP, .182 AVG, 3 HR, 53 K, 7 BB, 12.03 K/9, 1.58 BB/9

Michael Bowden
Lancaster: 2-0, 46 IP, 1.37 ERA, 0.93 WHIP, .212 AVG, 1 HR, 46 K, 8 BB, 9.00 K/9, 1.57 BB/9
Portland: 1-0, 5 IP, 1.58 ERA, 0.80 WHIP, .118 AVG, 0 HR, 5 K, 2 BB, 9.00 K/9, 3.60 BB/9

Daniel Bard
Lancaster: 0-2, 13.1 IP, 10.13 ERA, 3.23 WHIP, .350 AVG, 2 HR, 9 K, 22 BB, 6.08 K/9, 14.85 BB/9

Bryce Cox
Portland: 1-1, 14.2 IP, 4.91 ERA, 1.77 WHIP, .273 AVG, 1 HR, 3 K, 11 BB, 1.84 K/9, 6.75 BB/9

Craig Hansen
Pawtucket: 0-1, 15 IP, 4.80 ERA, 1.86 WHIP, .277 AVG, 0 HR, 15 K, 10 BB, 9.00 K/9, 6.00 BB/9

Kris Johnson
Lancaster: 2-3, 38 IP, 8.76 ERA, 1.94 WHIP, .318 AVG, 7 HR, 29 K, 25 BB, 6.86 K/9, 5.92 BB/9

Justin Masterson
Lancaster: 1-3, 40 IP, 5.85 ERA, 1.73 WHIP, .321 AVG, 2 HR, 26 K, 15 BB, 5.85 K/9, 3.38 BB/9

Jay
05-20-2007, 08:46 PM
Yeah, I had been giving the updates every day, but it got a little tedious after a while.

P-L
05-24-2007, 01:34 AM
So how about Clay Buchholz out pitching Roger Clemens? Too bad he couldn't pick up a W.

ElectricEye
05-24-2007, 06:30 AM
Clay is great. Gotta love that kid. It's amazing how many quality arms we have down on the farm. Bard, Bowden, and Clay Buchholz all have major league, front of the rotation potential. Gotta love what Lars Anderson is doing as well.

Jay
05-24-2007, 03:44 PM
That's the story of Clay's season. He should be about 7-1 right now...

Jay
05-24-2007, 09:57 PM
Michael Bowden made his second start at Portland today, and it was shakey, but the good news is he battled through:

4 IP, 4 H, 0 ER, 5 BB, 3 K

He obviously got to work from the stretch a bit, and given that he had nine base runners over four innings, it's very encouraging that he didn't allow any runs to score. The command may just be him adjusting to higher competition and more patient hitters. Good to see progress.

P-L
05-24-2007, 11:25 PM
You have to love Buchholz's numbers. He has an insane K:BB of 61:7 (or about 9:1). That is leading the Eastern League (and all of AA for that matter) by a large margin. The next closest is a 6:1 ratio. Among pitchers that have made 8 starts he ranks: 2nd in ERA, 2nd in WHIP, 2nd in K, and 1st in BB (as in lowest amount of). In 8 starts, he's given up more than two runs once. He is flat out dominating the league. I wonder how long until he gets a promotion.

Sniper
05-24-2007, 11:31 PM
Any news on Lester by the way? Just wondering. Tavarez gives me a heart attack every time he's out there.

What's the prediction for the Rangers series? At least 2/3?

P-L
05-24-2007, 11:38 PM
Diasuke Matsuzaka vs Brandon McCarthy
Tim Wakefield vs Vicente Padilla
Julian Tavarez vs Kameron Loe

I want a sweep and I will be extremely disappointed if we don't get two out of three in this series. Also, if anyone didn't hear yet Beckett is coming off the DL next Tuesday.

Sniper
05-24-2007, 11:41 PM
Diasuke Matsuzaka vs Brandon McCarthy
Tim Wakefield vs Vicente Padilla
Julian Tavarez vs Kameron Loe

I want a sweep and I will be extremely disappointed if we don't get two out of three in this series. Also, if anyone didn't hear yet Beckett is coming off the DL next Tuesday.

Pats-Lions, always on the ball. Guess we're going with short rest for this series until Beckett comes back. I agree with your sweep/ 2/3 comment, and anything worse than 2/3 is unacceptable

luckyjackaubrey
05-25-2007, 06:57 AM
No short rest with the off day thursday. Lester ent 5 last night and looked good. They are really limiting his innings. Some of it is caution , some is cat & mouse. I don't think they want him ready and have teams feel that Tavarez is extra baggage and thus water down his trade value.

I think the best thing for Bucholtz is to stay in AA all season. We are not the Texas Rangers , in need of rushing pitching right away. AA is the leaque where most of the top talent is now. Teams are loading AAA with older players with one serviceable skill that could help the big leaque team or prospects who have had a chance or two but not stuck. You rarely see a good group of top tier prospects in AAA. Look at the sox - Murphy and Moss are guys that were downward trending and are still not looked at top prospects. Gabbard and Hansack are back of the rotation guys ( who I like) and Delcarmen and Hansen fit that up and down mode. AA for a full year is just fine for Clay. He will be facing the up and comers all year. THis season's main objective for him should be to develope a better understanding of how to pitch ( not throw) and how to prepare. Those are two difficult things for a young guy. They can be made easier by stability in his situation & surroundings and by experiencing success. I say let him enjoy the summer in Maine.

ElectricEye
05-25-2007, 07:02 AM
I would like to see Clay get a cup of coffee at some point. Make a spot start if someone gets hurt or something. But otherwise, I agree about letting him develope in AA. He's dominating there, and getting the added confidence from that can't be a bad thing.
Anyway...heres and interesting question for you guys...and a good one to be able to ask. Clay or Lester?

Jay
05-25-2007, 07:12 AM
They aren't limiting Lester's innings, they are limiting his pitches. He only threw 65 last night, and went a full five innings. If he didn't have the pitch count, he could have gone the whole way at that pace. Very good news.

A lot of guys make the jump from AA right to the majors, and I wouldn't be surprised to see that be the case with Buchholz, especially if one of these double headers works out just right so that he can slide right in and make a spot start, and then see him go to Pawtucket. But if they stick to the procedure they've followed thus far, I see no reason why Buchholz goes to AAA at some point this year. They've shown consistently that when a young pitcher proves that he has command of a league, they move them to the next challenge. They did it with Papelbon, they did it with Lester, they did it with Hansen, they even did it with Ave Alverez and they just did it with Michael Bowden. That kid isn't even 21 yet, but I think it is a good idea to move him up and keep him away from Lancaster, especially considering he's already done well there. No need to tempt fate...

ElectricEye
05-25-2007, 10:23 AM
Yeah, Bowden's ERA is shocking for a guy pitching in Lancaster. I've never seen any of the games, but from what I hear the ball flys out of there.
Oh, and the Herald did an excellent article on Buchholz today.
http://redsox.bostonherald.com/redSox/view.bg?articleid=1003074

P-L
05-30-2007, 11:59 AM
***UPDATE***

Jacoby Ellsbury
Portland: 73 AB, .452/.518/.644, 16 R, 10 2B, 2 3B, 0 HR, 13 RBI, 6 BB, 7 K, 8 SB, 1 CS
Pawtucket: 66 AB, .284/.358/.358, 19 R, 3 2B, 2 3B, 0 HR, 4 RBI, 10 BB, 14 K, 10 SB, 2 CS

Lars Anderson
Greenville: 180 AB, .322/.408/.494, 21 R, 14 2B, 1 3B, 5 HR, 31 RBI, 26 BB, 45 K, 1 SB, 3 CS

Jason Place
Greenville: 160 AB, .219/.296/.375, 18 R, 8 2B, 1 3B, 5 HR, 16 RBI, 18 BB, 60 K, 3 SB, 2 CS

George Kottaras
Pawtucket: 107 AB, .187/.287/.280, 7 R, 7 2B, 0 3B, 1 HR, 7 RBI, 14 BB, 28 K, 0 SB, 0 CS

Brandon Moss
Pawtucket: 177 AB, .294/.393/.537, 25 R, 14 2B, 1 3B, 9 HR, 36 RBI, 28 BB,51 K, 0 SB, 1 CS

David Murphy
Pawtucket: 185 AB, .308/.396/.449, 29 R, 11 2B, 3 3B, 3 HR, 24 RBI, 26 BB, 37 K, 3 SB, 0 CS

Clay Buchholz
Portland: 2-1, 51.1 IP, 1.75 ERA, 0.86 WHIP, .188 AVG, 3 HR, 69 K, 10 BB, 12.10 K/9, 1.75 BB/9

Michael Bowden
Lancaster: 2-0, 46 IP, 1.37 ERA, 0.93 WHIP, .212 AVG, 1 HR, 46 K, 8 BB, 9.00 K/9, 1.57 BB/9
Portland: 2-0, 14.1 IP, 2.51 ERA, 1.67 WHIP, .236 AVG, 0 HR, 10 K, 11 BB, 6.28 K/9, 6.91 BB/9

Daniel Bard
Lancaster: 0-2, 13.1 IP, 10.13 ERA, 3.23 WHIP, .350 AVG, 2 HR, 9 K, 22 BB, 6.08 K/9, 14.85 BB/9

Bryce Cox
Portland: 1-1, 14.2 IP, 4.91 ERA, 1.77 WHIP, .273 AVG, 1 HR, 3 K, 11 BB, 1.84 K/9, 6.75 BB/9

Craig Hansen
Pawtucket: 1-1, 19.1 IP, 5.12 ERA, 1.91 WHIP, .282 AVG, 0 HR, 15 K, 13 BB, 6.98 K/9, 6.05 BB/9

Kris Johnson
Lancaster: 2-3, 46 IP, 8.02 ERA, 1.87 WHIP, .304 AVG, 9 HR, 33 K, 30 BB, 6.86 K/9, 5.92 BB/9

Justin Masterson
Lancaster: 2-4, 51.1 IP, 5.79 ERA, 1.71 WHIP, .324 AVG, 2 HR, 33 K, 20 BB, 5.78 K/9, 3.51 BB/9

Jon Lester
Greenville: 0-0, 13 IP, 2.08 ERA, 1.00 WHIP, .229 AVG, 2 HR, 15 K, 2 BB, 10.38 K/9, 1.38 BB/9
Pawtucket: 0-1, 20.1 IP, 1.25 ERA, 1.03 WHIP, .177 AVG, 0 HR, 19 K, 7 BB, 8.41 K/9, 3.10 BB/9

ElectricEye
05-30-2007, 03:13 PM
Place continues to show good power, despite his low batting average.
And Moss is on fire this year.

P-L
06-02-2007, 09:16 PM
Buchholz dominates and gets no runs support. Portland lost today 1-0 and Buchholz received the loss. His stat line:

7 IP, 3 H, 1 ER, 3 BB, 11 K

Jay
06-03-2007, 12:13 PM
Story of his year. Seriously. He should be about 9-0 right now...

luckyjackaubrey
06-06-2007, 09:37 AM
What do you guys see on the horizon for the roster ? We have 2 guys coming back soon in Lester and Timlin. I am not sure about Timlin's ability to contribute to the cause, but I think given his track record and loyalty he will be given every shot to make it back.

Do you see any trades ? Remember what happened the last time we thought we had excess pitching.....

I would like to see Tavarez and maybe Romero dealt for some young talent. One block buster I would explore is with Atlanta regarding either of their two young catchers - Brian McCann or Jerrod Saltalamacchia. I am not sure what it would take but we could use some impact back there.

Any thoughts ?

Im_a_Romosexual
06-06-2007, 02:13 PM
I think if we make any moves it would be for this year instead of the future

Jay
06-06-2007, 05:09 PM
McCann isn't going anywhere. I don't think either are...

P-L
06-07-2007, 09:11 PM
I figured I'd post this here too, for everyone to see.



Someone tell me about thE Red Sox picks. Don't know **** about them...

The biggest pick for the Red Sox was the Tigers selecting Rick Porcello ahead of the Yankees.

In all seriousness, when you don't have a 1st Round pick, the chances that you land a future stud is slim (unless one falls to the Supplemental for some reason).

Will Middlebrooks could be the steal of the draft at this point. Getting a 1st Round/Supplemental Round talent in the 5th Round is awesome. But with that being said, there is something that caused Middlebrooks to fall. And right now, I'm unsure of what that was.

Ryan Dent (2nd Round, #62 overall) is an intriguing prospect. He's one of the better athletes in the draft. He recorded one of the fastest times of any prospect at the Urban Academy Showcase. He's got some power potential and his speed is his best asset. He projects as a future #1 or #2 hitter. He played SS in High School but will likely switch to 2B or OF.

Jeffrey Morris (2nd Round, #84 overall) has some serious power potential, but is extremely raw. Probably nothing more than a fourth OF in the bigs, if that. His skillset reminds me of Wily Mo Pena. He can hit the ball far, but lacks consistancy, overall plate discipline, and isn't a good defender.

I don't have too much on Nick Hagadone. I know he was promoted to the Huskies' Friday night starter after Tim Lincecum left but was asked to move into the closer's role because of team need. He currently has three pitches and could project as a closer, setup man, or starter.

Jay
06-08-2007, 08:44 AM
He sounds like a big boy. 6'5, 250. I've read they plan on making him a starter again. He's a lefty, too, right?

http://gohuskies.cstv.com/sports/m-basebl/mtt/hagadone_nick00.html

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/wash/sports/m-basebl/auto_wide/1145973.jpeg

Jay
06-08-2007, 08:50 AM
Actually, here is the full pic, only smaller:

http://graphics.fansonly.com/photos/schools/wash/sports/m-basebl/auto_action/1145968.jpeg

alca1992
06-09-2007, 11:35 PM
hey jay you probaly know best about this. I am moving to Greenville, SC which is the city of the red sox single A team. I know its single A but is there any players i should know

Jay
06-10-2007, 07:06 PM
LARS ANDERSON!!

Jason Place is there too. Gabe Kapler is their manager. Daniel Bard just got sent down there too. That should be awesome, I think they built that place to look a little like Fenway...

Jay
06-10-2007, 07:13 PM
And here is the 411 on some of the guys we drafted this week...

http://www.soxprospects.com/players/images/hagadone.nick.jpg

1s (55) Nick Hagadone* LHP Washington

Scouting Report: Big lefty closer whose fastball sits in the low 90s and tops out around 95 mph with good movement. Also mixes in a plus biting slider that he uses as his out pitch, a work-in-progress changeup, and is working on developing a splitter. Good control. Team leader and a hard worker. Could work as a starter if he can improve his changeup. Not a lot of miles on his arm.

http://www.soxprospects.com/players/images/dent.ryan.jpg

1s (62) Ryan Dent** SS Woodrow Wilson HS (CA)

Scouting Report: Fantastic athlete - Dent possesses a good bat and phenomenal speed. Good leadoff potential. He hits the ball well to all fields and is a superb base runner. Good strength for his size and speed. May be better suited for 2B, but has the range to play CF. In the field, Dent has an average arm and excellent range. While Dent possesses great tools, he is a little raw at this stage.

http://www.soxprospects.com/players/images/morris.hunter.jpg

2 (84) Hunter Morris 3B Virgil Grissom HS (AL)

Scouting Report: Lefty bat with raw plus-power potential. Good bat speed and excellent plate discipline, but his swing mechanics could use some adjustment. Defense is average at best, seeing time at 1B, 3B, and corner OF. Average arm and below average range. Probably best suited for 3B.

http://www.soxprospects.com/players/images/huntzinger.brock.jpg

3 (114) Brock Huntzinger RHP Pendleton Heights HS (IN)

Scouting Report: Fastball sits around 89 mph and tops out at 92 mph. Also utilizes an excellent curveball and a nice 89 mph slider. Throws first pitch strikes. Good control and smooth delivery. Command of the strike zone could use some work. Maintains velocity well, able to go deep into games. Probably can pack some muscle to his frame. Athletic, dominated as a pitcher and a hitter in high school.

http://www.soxprospects.com/players/images/province.chris.jpg

4 Chris Province RHP SE Louisiana U.

Scouting Report: Righty closer gets his four seam fastball up to 97 mph and his two seamer around 93-94 mph. Strong pitcher's build. Also is developing a high 80s slider.

http://www.soxprospects.com/players/images/middlebrooks.will.jpg

Scouting Report: Righty closer gets his four seam fastball up to 97 mph and his two seamer around 93-94 mph. Strong pitcher's build. Also is developing a high 80s slider.

5 Will Middlebrooks RHP Liberty-Eylau HS (TX)

Scouting Report: Excellent athlete both with the bat and as a pitcher. As a hitter, Middlebrooks has great power potential and makes excellent contact. In the field has good hands and a strong arm, but below average range. As a pitcher, his fastball sits in the low 90s and tops out at 94 mph. His arsenal also includes an above average high 70s power curve, and an average changeup that sits around 78 mph. Attacks hitters well, good mound presence. Needs to work on his command. A lot of potential if he focuses on just pitching. Also a football star in high school.

http://www.soxprospects.com/players/images/rizzo.anthony.jpg

6 Anthony Rizzo 1B Stoneman Douglas HS (FL)

Scouting Report: Large 1B, particularly given his age. Very good overall approach at the plate, with good bat speed, timing, and contact. Nice opposite field power. In the field, Rizzo is an average to above average defender with a solid arm.

http://www.soxprospects.com/players/images/mailman.david.jpg

7 David Mailman 1B Providence Senior HS (NC)

Scouting Report: Pure hitter with a picture perfect swing. Good plate patience. Needs to pack on size to increase his power. Average fielder - played 1B in high school, likely to play corner OF in the minors. Strong arm.

http://www.soxprospects.com/players/images/mills.adam.jpg

8 Adam Mills RHP UNC-Charlotte

Scouting Report: Dominated collegiate competition in 2007. Mills possesses four average pitches, but mixes them masterfully with phenomenal command. His fastball sits in the high 80s and reaches about 92 mph with some good late movement. His changeup is his best pitch. His slider and curve are solid but not spectacular. Groundball pitcher with a deceptive but consistent delivery. Could stand to add some muscle.

http://www.soxprospects.com/players/images/keowen.kade.jpg

9 Kade Keowen CF LSU-Eunice

Scouting Report: Keowen is a big, tall centerfielder with five tool potential. Phenomenal athlete. Top line power potential. Great speed, especially for his size. Above average arm. His approach at the plate is raw, but his ability to make contact is improving and his bat speed is decent. Has yet to face top rate pitching on a regular basis.

http://www.soxprospects.com/players/images/roque.ken.jpg

10 Ken Roque SS Puerto Rico Baseball Academy

Scouting Report: Good athlete who projects at SS or 2B. Left handed bat with very good speed. Slap hitter without a lot of power.

luckyjackaubrey
06-12-2007, 04:10 PM
So Lester remains in Pawtucket for the time being. This is hopefully being done to A) not rush him. and B) work up some trade interest in our pitching depth.

I think Theo is smart enough to know that he can improve his team multifold if the timing on the Lester promotion is done right. I can see teams having an interest in Snyder or Tavarez as back of the rotation guys for this / next year.

What remains to be determined is what exactly do we need in return? Best record in Baseball aside there are some serious flaws if you are starting to look at this group and their ability to win 3 short series in the fall.

Coco and Lugo are both offering little to the cause. In Crisp's case this is a 2 year issue. Carrying one enemic bat is possible but they are both intended to be spark plugs for this group.

Do we need to replace them ? one or both? more bullpen help ?

I personally would love to see a large package put together to pry one of the marquis centerfielders free . There are several in the last year of contracts.

ElectricEye
06-12-2007, 08:10 PM
Anyone up for some international signings?
We got a big one.
Che-Hsuan Lin signed with us yesterday. Now, I won't pretend to know anything about Taiwanese baseball, but Sox Prospects holds him in high regard. "Ichiro like speed and a cannon arm", according to their scouting report. He's only 18, and would have been a 1st round pick if he was draft eligible.
http://www.taiwanbaseball.blogspot.com/
He's the second major prospect we've signed from Taiwan in the past couple years. Gotta love the international presence.
I wasn't a fan of our draft, but this defiantly makes it look slightly better.

255979119
06-13-2007, 10:35 PM
Fckin yanks are crawlin up the sewer. They need to be buried quickly and badly. The Sox will undoubtedly finish first in the East, but I sure as hell don't want the Jays down at 3.

P-L
06-21-2007, 10:09 PM
If the Red Sox play .500 ball the rest of the way, the Yankees have to play .630 to pass us. Yes! We are on pace for 105 wins. If we continue at that pace, for the Yankees to pass us, they need to play .770. We'll most likely fall somewhere between 91 and 105 wins, but it's nice to get our lead back to double digits.

ElectricEye
06-22-2007, 05:31 PM
Some updates on our prospects;
Lars Anderson is still tearing it up in Greenville. He has a chance at a 20/100 season in the Greenville this year. If he gets promoted to Lancaster at some point this year, those numbers will only get better. Might not be possible though, because Aaron Bates is at 1st in Lancaster...and he has 17 homeruns. Almost everyone in Lancaster has over 10 homeruns lol. The ball FLIES out of that park. But it's still very early to get excited at Lars, but it's hard not too. Sox Prospects has him as the 4th best prospect in our system already. I love the kid. I'm the most excited about his potential out of any of our hitters in the Minors.


Clay Buchholz went 5 innings without giving up a run and struck out six in a start two days ago. He also got named to the 2007 Futures Game, so everyone be sure to watch that. Jacoby will be there as well. IMO, Clay is ready for a cup of coffee in the majors. I think he's at the point where even if he gets shelled his first time out, he has the confidence to pull out of it.
Also, David Murphy got recalled to Boston for the weekend series.

luckyjackaubrey
06-23-2007, 09:55 AM
I too agree that Clay is a future fixture at the front end of our rotation but you wont see him in Boston unless it is as a September call up for a great season. Even then I doubt it. The organization is too conservative with talent and always seeks to protect young pitching. Notice how he never Throws past the 7th inning. He is not only on a pitch count but they limit the number of times he gets up to throw.

Watch who they bring up to take Shill's spot this tues. I bet it won't be Lester. They will be overly cautious with young talent because they are already in the driver seat and do not need to put guys in situations they are not completely ready to handle.

Having either of these guys take some lumps in 2007 at the risk of not having them as answers to questions like who should replace Shilling in 2008 is not the way I expect them to handle this.

I do look forward to 2008 and more homegrown talent. If the team continues to allocate resources to the draft, paying top dollar for kids who are leaning toward school etc.. I think they will be in a much better situation than the Yankees.

Jay
06-23-2007, 11:09 AM
They already announced it will be Kason Gabbard...

luckyjackaubrey
06-23-2007, 12:21 PM
They already announced it will be Kason Gabbard...

"they" have not. The globe's reporting that "a source" states they have settled on Gabbard is not the same as the team anouncing the transaction. I hope it is Gabbard. he has earned it and I would rather see him get a one or two start cameo and have Lester working in a stable enviroment. Lester should be brought up only when the rotation spot is his for good. I don' t think you should mess with a top prospect like him in these spot situations. If he has 1-2 bad starts it would be more detrimental to him in the long haul than to Gabbard.

I kind of envision us losing 3/5 th's of our rotation next year and Lester and Gabbard being plugged in to two of those holes with maybe a bigger name FA or trade.

ElectricEye
06-23-2007, 07:01 PM
I don't think we'll loose that much of our rotation. But we have guys to put into those holes if we must.
But yeah, no official announcement about the starter next.
BTW, Hansack has a perfect game through 5 in Pawtucket.

P-L
06-24-2007, 11:55 AM
Here is our projected 2008 roster from Sox Prospects:

Rotation
Josh Beckett
Diasuke Matsuzaka
Jon Lester
Free Agent
Tim Wakefield

Bullpen
Jonathan Papelbon
Hideki Okajima
Julian Tavarez
Brendan Donnelly
Manny Delcarmen
Craig Breslow
Javier Lopez
Kyle Snyder

Lineup
Jason Varitek
Kevin Youkilis
Dustin Pedroia
Mike Lowell
Julio Lugo
Manny Ramirez
Coco Crisp
J.D. Drew
David Ortiz

Bench
Free Agent
Alex Cora
Free Agent
David Murphy


http://www.soxprospects.com/2008.htm

Agree or disagree on this one? What changes do you think will ultimately be made? I for one, think Jacoby Ellsbury will be on the team next year, not still stuck in AAA. Also, if we keep Wakefield in the rotation, I think we keep Mirabelli. If we move him to the pen next year, then I agree that we let Mirabelli walk.

Jay
06-24-2007, 02:31 PM
Disagree. I think Schilling will be back. I also think they make a run at ARod. Lowell is the fall back. Otherwise, I see them trying to improve upon Coco in center, especially if he continues to improve his stock. The bullpen is hard to predict, but I think guys like Donelly might be lucky to even make it through the year. Same thing goes with Julio Lugo.

But hey, it's tough to project that stuff this early...

ElectricEye
06-24-2007, 03:53 PM
I think Jacoby will be up by next year. I also think we may let Lowell walk and try to go after someone else at 3rd. I also think Schilling will be back. And at some point, Clay will be starting next year.
Anyway....what do you guys think of us potentially trading away our farm for Buehrle? Personally, I would be pissed if we gave up top talent for him. Moss and Lowrie maybe...but I don't want to see Ellsbury, Anderson, Bowden, or Clay go anywhere.
EDIT:This is all hearsay, but someone on another forum pointed out that the way the article in question was written, the White Sox like what they can get from us the best out of any potential trade. However, nothing is mentioned about giving up top talent. A lot of talk about WMP being included in the deal. If that's the case, I think about it. Moving Pena would allow us to call up Jacoby, who would end up being a hell of a lot better as a 4th outfielder.

luckyjackaubrey
06-24-2007, 04:24 PM
I don't think Wake will lace up the cleats in 2008. Not in Boston, not anywhere.

luckyjackaubrey
06-24-2007, 04:26 PM
I don't want Buehrle in any trade for our farm talent. We are in fine shape pitching wise. I am more concerned with aquiring athletic,young bats.

ElectricEye
06-24-2007, 05:19 PM
Oh boy...big fights with White Sox fans over this.
I'm tapping every resource on the internet to try to get some word on this. Not much though. Just speculation.

P-L
06-24-2007, 10:50 PM
Here is how the next four series look for the Sox, Jays and Yanks:

Yankees - @ BAL, vs OAK, vs MIN, vs LAA

Blue Jays - @ MIN, @ SEA, @ OAK, vs CLE

Red Sox - @ SEA, vs TEX, vs TB, @ DET

If we take care of business these next two weeks (I really think we should win at least 9 out 13 here) we could really put the rest of the division in a stranglehold. We have the easiest road of the three coming up, although Detroit will be a challenge.

ElectricEye
06-25-2007, 12:28 PM
We have it the easiest, IMO. We should win at least the first 3 series. Detroit will get interesting. We could have some ball games on our hands there.
Hopefully the Angels do their thing against the Yankees. Having an extra game or two will certainly make facing Detroit easier.
Oh, and we have some really good pitching in the Minors tonight.
Lester, Buch, and Caleb Clay are all on the hill tonight. Since we have a late game tonight, I'm going to listen to the Portland game tonight.

ElectricEye
06-25-2007, 08:28 PM
Clay Buchholz is DEALING tonight. 6 inning, 2 hits, 10 K's, 0 ER. A lot of them have come on offspeed pitches as well. Good curve and change tonight.
Promotion might be coming soon. He just doesn't seem to be challenged in AA anymore.

P-L
06-25-2007, 10:23 PM
Enough is enough with Julio Lugo already. Here are his stats over the last 16 games (including tonight):

.069/.143/.086/.229, 4 H, 1 2B, 5 BB, 11 K

ElectricEye
06-25-2007, 10:42 PM
We're stuck with him though.
Hey, I have an idea. Why don't we trade him for Mark Buehrle?.....lol.
Hah, but seriously he needs to be put out of his misery. He can't hit, can't play defense, and generally can't do anything right. We're lucky we are good enough to be able to mask a crap leadoff hitter.

255979119
06-25-2007, 11:05 PM
I am so grateful that he chose the Sox over us right now....

ElectricEye
06-25-2007, 11:26 PM
I wouldn't wish Julio Lugo on anyone. He's that bad.

luckyjackaubrey
06-26-2007, 09:03 AM
Clay Buchholz is DEALING tonight. 6 inning, 2 hits, 10 K's, 0 ER. A lot of them have come on offspeed pitches as well. Good curve and change tonight.
Promotion might be coming soon. He just doesn't seem to be challenged in AA anymore.

Exactly why we can't deal him for anyone. I am so glad we are not 20 years back in the past, where we would trade him for a 30 something "established" starter for the stretch run. The impact of winning that world series will be felt how much less pressure there is on the front office to make those kinds of silly deals. We really could be a Yankee - like ( did I just tykpe that ?) organization with our financial resources. An ability to pay for Type A FA's,and a commitment to scout, draft and develope superior amateur talent... could be a lethal combo when you can be patient and not be pressured to make the wrong move a few years in a row while chasing the title EVERY year. Sox fans will tolerate a "rebuilding period" that a NY fan would not. By re-building I mean the following:

I would much rather see us next year saying that we will commit to our kids and let the rotation be :

Beckett
Matsuzaka
Lester
Gabbard
Snyder

with Buchholtz and Bowden rising in AAA

I can face a year of these guys maturing, working out that first year jitters and adjustments. I like seeing this process, it is as much a part of the game as winning the WS ( something we all forget we never knew before recently)

I would hate to see Beuhrle plugged in and 2-3 guys with great futures gone just so we can have a guy who might go 17-9 , but more often than not goes 14-12.

Does it make you bite your nails as far as competing for the pennant next year ? Probably, but mid season trades could land a starter if all the kids are not up to the task. I don't expect to win every year. I would surely like the group in 2009 with a year of experience under their belt. Does Lester look better being asked to be #4 ? Bucholtz as #3 after coming up midway through '07 ? Gabbard /Snyder / Bowden competing for #5 ?

Please keep the Beurhle trade for the Yanks. Let them mortgage their future.

ElectricEye
06-26-2007, 12:06 PM
Great post. Yeah, winning the World Series has been a great thing for us, both as fans and as an organization.
I'm completely sold on Clay at this point. He hit 93-95 on the radar gun consistently, and touched 96 on one pitch. Add that in with two different curves, and great arm action on his change, and you have a strikeout pitcher with ace potential. It wouldn't surprise me to see Clay win 20 games at one point. I'm not sure the last time a homegrown Red Sox pitcher one 20 games, but it's been too long.
I don't think he'll be spending a whole lot of time in AAA next year. He should be promoted to the Paw Sox soon(Which would be great, since I would be able to watch most of his starts this summer) and while he might have a few bumps adjusting, he should level out.
Oh, as for some other pitcher, Materson has been great lately in Lancaster. He's figured out how to pitch there....which is damn near impossible. If Buchholz gets promoted, then Materson may take his place in Portland. Say what you will about the California League.....but it does seem to help certain players. I

P-L
06-27-2007, 06:23 PM
Freaking Julio Lugo strikes out with runners on first and second in a tie game after facing a 3-0 count. There is no saving this guy is there.

ElectricEye
06-27-2007, 06:55 PM
Freaking Julio Lugo strikes out with runners on first and second in a tie game after facing a 3-0 count. There is no saving this guy is there.

Yeah, I heard on the radio. He's done here. As they've been saying on WEEI lately, it's time to bring in our utility infielder for our futility infielder.

P-L
06-27-2007, 08:21 PM
Steve Phillips had some exciting news/information about the Yankees on ESPN. If the Yankees win every single series from here on out (meaning they win two games out of all their three games series) and the split their two remaining four games series, then they'll only end up with 91 wins. No team in the AL over the last five years has won the Wild Card with less than 95 wins.

ElectricEye
06-27-2007, 08:26 PM
Well, we have that going for us...
But let me counter some good news with some bad. Curt Schilling is shut down until after the All Star Break. It could end up being a blessing though. If we can get someone from the minors to step up and not loose games for us, Schill will be fresh down the stretch.
Some candidates for doing that; Jon Lester, Kason Gabbard(I'm not sure about him anymore), David Pauley(Like him better than Gabbard) and Devern Hansack.
I like Pauley out of all those guys. Maybe I'm blinded by the excellent start he had against the Yankees, but I think he's the best out of all our second tier pitchers.
Oh, and Nick Hagadone signing was just made official. He'll be in Lowell.

P-L
06-27-2007, 11:19 PM
I still like Gabbard actually. His start the other day was pretty bad, but I think he's pitched pretty well to deserve another chance. He did a good job in his first start of the year (5.1 IP, 2 ER, 1 BB if I remember correctly) and has pitched real well at AAA this year (2.95 ERA, only 1 start allowing more than 3 ER, and a decent K:BB ratio). Even last year, he showed he could pitch at the major league level. I believe he had four or five starts, had one bad outing, and didn't give up more than 1 ER in any of his his other outings.

I'd much rather have Gabbard pitch before we rush Jon Lester and get him up here before he's ready, or start Devern Hansack (who I've never been all that impressed with). I wouldn't mind giving Pauley another shot, although I was very underwhelmed with him last year.

Im_a_Romosexual
06-28-2007, 12:37 AM
yeah I would also prefer Gabbard over all of the other possibilities.

ElectricEye
06-28-2007, 01:38 PM
I'm not sure. I've just never been a big Gabbard guy. I'm not really high on any of the possible Schilling replacements besides Lester(if he's healthy).
Anyway, this will be difficult, but I think we'll get through it alright.

Im_a_Romosexual
06-28-2007, 10:37 PM
Anybody think Lugo will be one and done like Renteria?

ElectricEye
06-29-2007, 12:19 AM
Anybody think Lugo will be one and done like Renteria?

I don't think anyone sees it any other way.

Im_a_Romosexual
06-29-2007, 12:42 AM
Yeah, I figured.

ElectricEye
06-29-2007, 01:33 AM
He might not even start the rest of the way.
He's that bad.

ElectricEye
06-30-2007, 06:00 PM
Jacoby is making his debut tonight!

Im_a_Romosexual
06-30-2007, 11:35 PM
Lugo F'n sucks

Jay
07-01-2007, 06:29 AM
Yeah, it's pretty pathetic when he can't even do the ONE thing he's actually been good at right and in the process, with THAT being the ONLY thing he's done all game, he screws us. Go figure. That dude needs to get hit by a Mack truck...

ElectricEye
07-01-2007, 06:19 PM
Alright guys, it's that time of year again. The time of year where we make everyone hate us. That's right. It's the last vote. And our boy Okajima is on the bubble. It's time to do what we do best.
http://mlb.mlb.com/index.jsp
Vote like crazy. I've voted 20 times already. Aiding our effort, Okajima actually deserves the vote amongst those guys. Bonderman is having an excellent year, but his win loss record is a bit inflated. His ERA is close to 4. Kelvim Escobar has been really good as well. You could make a case for him over Okajima. Roy Halladay? One of my favorite pitchers in the game right now. But he's not having his best year. His ERA is over 4. Pat Neshek has been fantastic for the Twins. But Okajima is untouchable. So vote, vote, vote, and vote some more. Let's get Okajima in the All Star Game.

P-L
07-01-2007, 11:55 PM
Hideki Okajima has been money this year. He has far exceeded my expectations.

Im_a_Romosexual
07-02-2007, 10:34 PM
Ellsbury showin off the wheels today!

ElectricEye
07-03-2007, 05:06 AM
Guys, we hooked a big one today....literally. 16 year old Dominican shortstop Michael Almanzar signed today for a ton of money. Just to put his money is perspective, last year we signed two highly regarded Dominican prospects, Oscar Tejada and Engel Beltre, for 525,000 and 575,000. Almanzar signed for nearly 3 times that, at 1.5 million dollars. Almanzar is 6-5, 180. He projects to add a lot of weight and end up at well over 200 pounds and hit for some major power. International signings are usually nothing to get excited about, but when that much money is put into a guy, it's hard not too.
And yeah, nice to get a win today. Good day for Jacoby as well. Hopefully they find a place for him on the roster.

P-L
07-03-2007, 05:51 PM
Every time I think about how bad Julio Lugo and JD Drew have been, I look at Barry Zito's contract and laugh at the Giants.

ElectricEye
07-04-2007, 05:23 AM
Does JD Drew still play for us? I haven't seen him for a month or so.

ElectricEye
07-05-2007, 07:52 PM
Some more updates on Almanzar; Sox Prospects has him listed as our 21st best prospect already, ahead of Engel Beltre and Oscar Tejada, two very high profile Dominicans we signed last year. ESPN Deportes and a Domican paper are reporting that another 1.5 million is due to Almanzar in the coming year, but that has come into question since that would not be consistent with the way minor league contracts work. The 1.5 million we gave him is already the highest bonus we've given to an international free agent. A lot will be expected of him....and the success rate with these bonus babies is not that high...but hopefully he will deliver. It's certainly not a bad thing to add potential top end power hitter to your system though. If nothing more, his development will be fun to follow. Highest profile 16 year old we've had around in awhile lol.
We've also supposedly signed another high profile international free agent in 16 year old Dominican outfielder Jose Jose. Yes, I typed that right. His name is Jose Jose. No confirmed source though.

ElectricEye
07-06-2007, 03:10 AM
Triple post(come on guys...POST MOAR), but some important promotion news to report.
Both pitcher Justin Masterson and outfielder Bubba Bell have been promoted from Lancaster to Portland. Now, this may or may not set off a chain of promotions. Theres a few guys in Lancaster that deserve a callup, the most significant of which is Aaron Bates. If Bates were to be promoted, that would leave room to move Lars Anderson(Who hit is 8th homerun and is batting close to .320 with a .400 OPB and is slugging .503) up, who I think deserves it. Anderson would have a legitimate shot a 20 homerun season in his first year as a professional if he were to be moved up to Lancaster. Another guy to watch for promotion wise is Josh Reddick. The guy has been hitting everything that comes his way in Greenville. But he hasn't sustained it for as long as Lars, so that might not happen.
But the most significant thing in all of this is that Clay Buchholz, as expected, is pretty much done in Portland. Mastersons promotion makes that clear. He's probably going to be promoted right after the Futures Game. Theres still some loose talk of him going straight to the majors, but I think that's unlikely. He'll probably pitch June and at least part of August in Pawtucket, then possibly get a callup to give some guys some rest at the end of the year. Hopefully, he'll transition well to the Paw Sox. Portland is a lot cooler than Pawtucket(which I live about 5 miles away from) and I've heard Hadlock Field called a pitchers ballpark even though it's on the smaller side. But that's nitpicking. With Buchholz's imminent promotion, I plan to go see at least 2 or 3 of his starts this summer. I'll be sure to give you guys some detailed reports on those when I do.

255979119
07-06-2007, 03:57 AM
These are reasons why I think every player must come in via the draft.

ElectricEye
07-06-2007, 05:04 AM
Certain people don't want the Latin kids getting into the draft. That would be horrible. Then we would have to treat them like people! That would be a disaster.
Seriously though, international free agency has it's benefits and shortcomings. One thing I like is that if I kid is successful, he can reach AA by the time he terns 18 or 19 years old. If he isn't, the age isn't that big of a deal since he'll toil away in Rookie ball and low A until he puts it together. But it can be huge. Look at the Miguel Cabrera's and Andruw Jones' of the world. But still, your taking a risk giving a boatload of money to a child.

And in some disappointing news, Jacoby just got sent back down to Pawtucket. Don't think he'll be there for long though. He showed this week that he can help us in a lot of ways. His spot will probably be filled by a pitcher. Hopefully Breslow, but you never know. Maybe a certain guy that was scheduled to pitch in the Futures Game shouldn't pack those bags quite yet. Probably not...but I can dream can't I?

luckyjackaubrey
07-07-2007, 07:36 AM
Congrats to Jeff Bailey on finally making the show. I love the little stories of guys getting that 1st cup of coffee in the bigs. Thats what gets the kids back out there after an o-fer in the Babe Ruth game....

I am interested in what you guys think the team needs to do roster wise to get ready for September ? Some issues to consider:

1. The big two are half way through a season of combined underproducing. How long can you say, " wait 'til they get hot " ?

2. Youk and Lowell are filling the roles of the guys who are overachieving but did so last year and faded badly in the 2nd half.

3. Coco is the bat that shows the most signs of being that 2nd half overachiever but his poor 1.5 years and the tease of Ellsbury has the faithful shouting "trade him!" .

4. Lugo continues to hit sub- Mendoza and display pedestrian defense, and Drew is a rich man's Trot Nixon - minus the grit.

5. Name the last Sox midseason anallysis you did that went 5 items deep and hadn't mentioned pitching ? Am I in the right town ?

I think we are gonna have a 2nd half out of Papi and Manny similar to the 1st. We need those 2-3 guys who carry the extra weight ala youk and Lowell again on the back stretch. I am hoping Drew is one of them and if Coco can keep his spark up that will help too.

As far as pitching I would give Shilling a dose of what we have done to Lester and stall him as long as possible. He is thinking he needs to show he isn't old and breaking down and thus wants to pitch yesterday. We on the other hand need him probably not until late August to round into shape for the playoffs. I would continue to ween Delcarmen from the tit and see if he can become the guy we all love Timling to be. I also think Snyder needs to examined in some more pressure situations, but that may be a plan for another season.

If teams are talking trade, I am looking for a right handed bat that can play multiple infield spots, or a plus glove SS ( Gonzo where are you ?) and I am shopping Pena, mayber Coco, and some of our minor leaque talent. Off limits are Bucholtz, Ellsbury, Lowrie, Masterson.

ElectricEye
07-08-2007, 07:52 AM
Alright...good post. I feel guilty for taking so long to answer it.

1. Yeah, I think that the power outage from Manny and Ortiz could be a problem. But I think Ortiz is ready to break out. I have nothing to base this on besides last night, but I think he's ready. Don't forget guys, he hit 29 homers in the first half last year. If he does that this year, he'll end up with 43 for the year. I don't think he will, but he's capable. I wish he would sit out the All Star game, actually. Rest those legs. But Manny could be a problem. It doesn't look like we're going to get a ton of power production out of him at this point. Similar to Ortiz, he's capable of having a hot second half, but I think his drop in production has more to do with aging a bit, and poor pitch selection. Orsillo said something interesting on a game yesterday. Manny has had a 3-0 count like 17 times this year, and hasn't swung at a ball. I'm not usually one to support esoteric stats like that, but it's telling in this case IMO. That says that he's getting a lot of fastballs, and not doing anything with them. His bat speed has slowed down a bit as well. Not turning on hittable pitches like he used to. That might be a problem. In an ideal world, Willy Mo Pena steps up and delivers on his promise. But that's nowhere near realistic. We need a power bat. But there aren't any out there that are worth it. No real solution to this problem.

2. This could be real big. Mike Lowell and Kevin Youkillis have really done a ton for us this year....but they're Mike Lowell and Kevin Youkillis. They don't carry teams....or do they? Well, I think Lowell might slow down a bit. He has a history of doing that. But I think Youkillis will keep it up. I think his rise in production has more to do with turning the corner developmentally than a hot second half. Hopefully I don't eat my words, but I think Youk will keep the pace in the second half. The only thing that could slow this is if his injury is bad. So we have to watch that. But I think it's a good thing he ended up not making the All Star team, even though he deserved it. His 921 OPS ranks him fourth in the AL among 1st basemen...which is amazing since he's not a power hitter like the guys ranked ahead of him. His strikeout numbers have gone down dramatically as well. Last year, he struck out 120 times. This year, he's on pace to strikeout 80 times. Making a lot better contact. Youk's a stud now.

3. I'm still not sure/sold on Coco as our center fielder for the future. He's been a TON better lately. The numbers don't even show how good he's been. You can't sneak a fastball by him anymore. This is what we were hearing about when we got him from Cleveland. I'm not sure of the numbers on this one, but Coco's slugging must have gone up significantly in the past few weeks. Lot's of doubles lately...and quite a few homers as well. However, with all that being said, I'll still take Ellsbury. Why? Well, defensively, they're both pretty even. Coco might make more spectacular catches, but Jacoby is just as good. So that's even. As far as making contact goes, I'll take Jacoby as well. His numbers took a dive from AAA to AA, but you can't ignore that he hit .450 in AA. I think he has the potential to hit .300-.320 most years. As far as power goes, when he's on, he hits for very good power for a leadoff type hitter. Jacoby can't match him here. So it's 1-1 thus far. Next we go to the all important OBP. Jacoby has the clear advantage here. Jacoby is known for being very patient and getting quite a few walks. In the minors, his OBP is usually near .380. And this will only rise as he matures. Coco has a career OBP of .324, and in his best years only managed a so-so .345 on base. So 2-1 Ellsbury. In terms of speed, I give a slight edge to Jacoby. Although it's very, very close. Actually, I read somewhere that both of them have timed in the 4.2's in the 40 yard dash. Both of them had offers to play football in college because of that speed. However, Jacoby does have one thing Coco doesn't have. Base stealing instincts. Coco can steal bases, but he isn't a basestealer. Jacoby has better first halves in terms of basestealing than Crisp has years. And that's where I think the result becomes clear. We have two very good leadoff type hitters. Crisp is showing that giving up Andy Marte was well worth it. But Jacoby just has a higher peak. He has the potential to be a Damon type leadoff hitter with less power and more speed/steals. It's close but if I had to choose one it's not a hard decision for me.

4. Yeah, this sucks. Drew started the year so well. He was hitting .350 for a week or two. Oh how times have changed. Now, I barely notice him in the lineup. But he's starting to heat up. He's raised his average into the .260 range in the past few weeks. That we can live with. We might not be happy with it, but we can live with it. A guy hitting sub .200 we can't. In the AL Playoffs, you can't just give away outs. And that's basically what Lugo is right now; a free out. He seems like he might be coming out of it a bit, but still, we can't count on him for anything. We're lucky Crisp has gotten better and Pedroia has been money lately. Otherwise, this would be a bigger deal than it already is. But we can't mask the ugly spot in our lineup forever. But this leads to an interesting question; Cora or Lugo? Going by the numbers, this isn't even a question. Cora has literally done everything better than Lugo, except for numbers contingent upon at bats and steals. But can Cora keep it up over a full season? History is foggy on this one. In years where Cora gets 400+ at bats, he has hit .217,.250, and .264. But those numbers are in the order he recorded them. So as Cora has matured as a hitter, his numbers have gotten better...or so it seems. We don't really know the answer to this question. I think we'll see a bit of both of them for awhile until one of takes a dominant role. Thus far, it's been Cora. But Lugo has had much better years than Cora. If he starts hitting .300 in the second half, this won't even be a question anymore. But I don't think any of us see that happening at this point.

5.Our pitching is great. We kick ass. It feels great. Luckily, it's that simple. I agree with you about Schill. We need too be very careful with him. The scary thing about our pitching is that it might get better. Lester has had a few bad starts in AAA, but he had a great one last night. If he can get his stuff back to what it was pre-cancer, and I think he can, he can be a massive boost down the stretch. But he has to be more consistent. That's the biggest thing with him this year. Take away a few starts, and he's been fine. So that's something to watch. But the real boost could come from Clay Buchholz. If he's ready, and I think he just might be, then he could take either Tavarez or Wakes spot(or Gabbard, if Schill is going to be shelved long term) and hopefully do well there. As far as Delcarmen goes, I think he's done in the minors. He's learned everything he can there. He's finally ready. But it remains to be seen if he's ready for pressure innings, though he's been money lately.

Anyway, we're good. Really, really good. A few concerns, but we're a real contender now. The first half was great. Hopefully, the second half is even better :)

Oh, and everyone be sure to watch the Futures Game today. Clay and Jacoby are there, and they should put on a show.

EDIT:Clay Buchholz just got promoted to Pawtucket. Awesome :)

luckyjackaubrey
07-08-2007, 09:42 AM
Where did you see news of the promotion for Clay ? I don't see it on Boston.com or the Sox website ?

ElectricEye
07-08-2007, 10:31 AM
Both Sox Prospects and Sons of Sam Horn are saying it. No source yet, but those two are usually more on top of things than the papers. So I guess it's not completely official yet. But it's more than speculation.

Jay
07-10-2007, 07:46 PM
I posted this in the baseball thread, but I'll post it here too:

Just got tickets to Monday's Pawtucket Red Sox game against Ottawa to see Clay Buchholz make his AAA debut. Can't wait!

Also, get ready for the next Sox pitching prospect to start geting hyped in Justin Masterson. They called him up from high A Lancaster (where he had a 4.2ish ERA) and he threw 6 2/3 no hit innings at AA Portland. The only guy to get on base was Lyle Overbay, who walked twice. He also struck out nine. He was a second round pick last year behind Jason Place and Daniel Bard. It's funny how he's already way ahead of Bard.

Sox did a lot of player movement over the break. Aaron Bates and Bubba Bell are up in Portland too, and I think Jed Lowrie is moving up to Pawtucket from Portland. Man, have they ever done awesome the last two drafts. Last year they added Place, Bard, Masterson, Bates, Lars Anderson, Kris Johnson and Bryce Cox who have all jumped out and established themselves as very solid prospects, on top of the year before where they added Buchholz, Hansen, Ellsbury, Lowrie and Michael Buchholz in the first 47 picks. There are a couple really young kids like Ryan Kalish, Zach Daegas, Ty Wheedon, Caleb Clay and Dustin Richardson that are going to have the chance to establish themselves soon. It's just too bad we couldn't sign Matt Laporta last year. Oh well. This draft class wasn't nearly as hyped so we'll see what we've got...

ElectricEye
07-11-2007, 08:39 PM
Bates isn't in Portland yet...I think he would be, but he's banged up right now.
Let us know how he looks. I'm going to listen.

Jay
07-11-2007, 08:50 PM
Bates will be in Portland when he comes back from his injury. The decision has already been made to call him up...

And I really wish my camera wasn't dead, because it looks like I got some pretty decent seats. I could have been front row if I was going by myself, but I took the first round in the second section instead. Should be like the tenth row total.

But I can't wait to see Buchholz on top of Ellsbury, Moss, Murphy, Kottares, ect... hopefully there is a Craig Hansen siting as well... actually... I hope not... I want a CGSO from Clay haha...

Jay
07-11-2007, 09:07 PM
Oh and this is the Almanzer kid:

http://redsox.bostonherald.com/images/redSox/scrimmage07112007.jpg

His dad is former major leaguer Carlos Almanzer, who is only 33 and two years removed from the majors...

ElectricEye
07-12-2007, 08:40 AM
Yeah. I see by the picture you read the story in the Herald. No one knows a ton about him now, but he supposedly has a TON of power potential once he fills out. His height is a bit concerning though. You don't see a ton of 6'5 position players out there, and the ones you do usually have trouble making contact. But the Red Sox have done an amazing job of building a great farm system quickly. Just have to trust them.

simms2clayton
07-12-2007, 09:01 AM
My AL team is the Sox, my NL team is the Reds...I wished the Reds put in 10% of the Sox's efforts into international scouting. Unreal. 1.5M at the age of 16!!!

What are we going to do with him? Send him to IMG Baseball Academy for 2 years?

ElectricEye
07-12-2007, 10:00 AM
My AL team is the Sox, my NL team is the Reds...I wished the Reds put in 10% of the Sox's efforts into international scouting. Unreal. 1.5M at the age of 16!!!

What are we going to do with him? Send him to IMG Baseball Academy for 2 years?
Well, he'll probably come over here and start learning English soon. He probably won't play much this year. Well, at least not on a team. Next year, he'll probably spend a full year in the Gulf Coast League. If he advances enough, he'll start the next year in Greenville. That's the path most young Dominican talents take anyway. Oscar Tejada and Engel Beltre, our two high profile international signings from last year, are on that program.

Jay
07-12-2007, 06:42 PM
Yeah, he'll play next year in the GCL to start. If he's lucky, I see him going to Lowell before Greenville since it is short season. Then every year he'll take another step up the latter. It's not out of the realm of possibility that he could follow a path similar to Miguel Cabrera and be in the Majors by 20-21 with a good 3-4 years already spent in the minors...

ElectricEye
07-13-2007, 11:55 AM
That's the ideal path. But it doesn't happen often. But it will certainly be fun to watch. Like I said before, if the Red Sox think he's the best Dominican kid they've ever seen, as the money indicates, then we should just trust that.

P-L
07-15-2007, 12:43 AM
If I did the math in my head right, Dice-K is due to pitch on Thursday in my first Red Sox game at Fenway Park!!!

255979119
07-15-2007, 05:14 PM
Well two close wins for the Jays, two blowouts for the Sox. Who do you give the MVP of the series to?

luckyjackaubrey
07-15-2007, 05:15 PM
If I did the math in my head right, Dice-K is due to pitch on Thursday in my first Red Sox game at Fenway Park!!!

Yup, Dice K versus Javier Vasquez for the Chi sox. Have a blast. Where are your seats ? Doesn't really matter the whole place is cool. Enjoy. I can harldy remember my last trip to the urine troths.... brings back alot of boyhood memories... Dewey, Yaz , Spaceman, big Jim Ed... Clel Leverne,.... good ol' days...

ElectricEye
07-15-2007, 05:25 PM
If I did the math in my head right, Dice-K is due to pitch on Thursday in my first Red Sox game at Fenway Park!!!

Have fun man :) It should be great. Fenway is an amazing place. You can really feel the history.

luckyjackaubrey
07-16-2007, 09:13 AM
I read on mlb trade rumors that the Braves are taking offers for catching prospect Jarrod Saltalamacchia. They are looking for young impact pitching prospects. The article mentioned the Pirates and the group of young starters they have in the bigs right now, Gorzelanny, Snell, Maholm....

How would you feel about the Sox getting involved in discussions of 1-2 of our young talent ? I would consider it strongly. Salty is a big strong kid. Hits for good average and bigf power. He is touted as a character guy who shares a lot of Varitek's makeup. We need to start to see the next wave of impact everday players and catcher is a postion that we have an opportunity to fix for the long term with such a player.

I would not entertain offers for Bucholtz, but I would say that Masterson and Bowen are a duo you could say/ "pick one of these kids and we will put together a second group you can take one of also. That second group could be made up of high ceiling guys just getting started like Bard, Clay, Capellan or prospects that have stalled a bit like Hansen, Lester ( i hesitate to include him ) Rozier.

The track record of any minor leaque system is for a bunch of names to be tossed around each summer as can't miss and then half blow out their arms, or plateau (sp) and never amount to much. I would like to see some of this future potential leveraged into a talent that has passed all those tests and is ready to contribute now.

I see no better situation than the league's next Jason Veritek apprenticing under Jason Veritek. If 3 years down the line he is not the defensive anchor you want and one of the kid catchers we have in the system is ready, you can move him to firstbase and still have a high impact bat in the lineup.

Any thoughts ?

ElectricEye
07-16-2007, 09:41 PM
I would love nothing more than to get out hands on Salty. It would be perfect for us. I agree with you about what we give up though. We would have to be careful not to bet the farm on him. But I would be willing to give up Bowden/Masterson and a Lowrie/Moss type for him. That would be great.

Jay
07-16-2007, 11:17 PM
Just got back from Clay Buchholz's first start in Pawtucket. First of all, I don't think I will ever go to another game in Pawtucket. The stadium was nice and all that, but it is even more in the middle of a neighborhood then Fenway Park. The parking situation is absolute BULL****. I sat in a line on a street trying to park for a half hour and missed the first inning and a half... you know... two of the three innings Buchholz actually pitched. So obviously I can't speak for what happened before the top of the third, but he looked awesome in the one inning I saw, striking out two.

Another observation is Brandon Moss. He may have one of the biggest canons I have ever seen. He had a ball go over his head to the wall on a line and he grabbed it on the warning track at around the 340 mark and fired the throw into second, on a line, right into the second baseman's glove about chest high and almost threw the guy out running into second on what should have been and walking double for anyone. I mean, this throw couldn't have been more perfect.

Highlight of the night was the bottom of the third. SS Alex Preito is up and he hits a foul ball. It's heading our way, and I'm looking at it, and I'm like "oh man I have a shot," it's coming down, I think it's way over my head and I reach out last second and I feel nothing, but here everyone going "Brooooooooo" so I look in my glove and sure as hell I had it. I was wearing a Bruschi jersey so I picked up on it right away. I had taken my 12 year old cousin to her first game and I gave it to her. The rest of the night, everywhere I went I had people walking up to me going "hey man, nice catch!" It was crazy haha. Never thought I'd be "that guy" that caught the foul ball.

I enjoyed the game but hate Pawtucket in general. I swore going in that I wouldn't go back, but who knows. Schilling is pitching there Saturday...

Sniper
07-17-2007, 06:44 AM
Sweet gem from Gabbard last night. I know it`s the Royals but I`ll take good pitching any day.

luckyjackaubrey
07-17-2007, 08:17 AM
That was a performance that might be looked back on as very key. The team is struggling at .500 for the last few weeks, Shilling is down and Tavarez has been super shaky. We needed someone to step up and that was the best case scenario. Wake is gonna be forever .500 and that puts intense pressure on Dice and Beckett to win every time out.

That performance last night has to give the team and Gabbard the confidence that he CAN pitch at this level ( Royals or not). We could have very easily seen him get trashed, walk 6 in 5+ innings and be talking about who was next to ride the Pawtucket shuttle.

I hope he continues to pitch well and keeps his spot , Tavarez returns to the pen or better yet is part of my dream deal for Salty.

P-L
07-22-2007, 09:34 PM
I just got back from my week in Boston. It was great, we had so much fun. Even though the Sox did lose on Thursday, it was still an awesome experience. Dice-K really struggled with his command, but when he actually was able to locate his pitches he was impressive. The thing that frustrated me the most in that particular game was the offense. We got quite a few hits (11 of them IIRC) but it seemed like most of the came with two outs. I can recall two innings in particular where we had two outs and none on, then we got two consecutive singles. Only to have the next batter fly out. As much as we struggled to hit with runners on base, Manny was six inches away from making it a 5-3 game in the 7th inning. Great job by Owens though to keep that ball in the park.

Overall, the experience at Fenway Park was one that I will never forget. I plan on going back in future, but I really enjoyed my first time. We were at the Park almost all day. My girlfriend had also got me tickets to go on the tour at 2:00, then we came back at 5:00 and stayed until almost 1:00 AM. It was awesome. I was a little disappointed we didn't win, but scoring 29 runs and winning the next three games in a row made up for it.

alca1992
07-23-2007, 10:09 AM
jon lester gonna start cant wait

alca1992
07-25-2007, 07:43 PM
so the yankeeys are caatching ground anybody else nervous

Sniper
07-25-2007, 08:28 PM
so the yankeeys are caatching ground anybody else nervous

They're still the furthest back of any second place team. No, I'm not nervous about a team 7.5 back.

P-L
07-26-2007, 12:15 PM
I'm not nervous yet. However, they have a really easy stretch finishing with the Royals tonight then getting Baltimore, Chicago, and Kansas City again. We really need to do well these next three series and keep the Yankees at least 6-7 games back. If we still have a decent sized lead on August 5th, then I think we are poised to win the division. Starting the 6th the Yankees have the Blue Jays, Indians, Orioles, Tigers, Angels, and Tigers again before playing us at home. Four of those series are on the road as well. We're looking good because the only difficult teams we have between now and when we go to Yankee Stadium are the Angels (two series) and the Mariners.

luckyjackaubrey
07-27-2007, 06:19 AM
Well I guess that's why they call 'em fifth starters - they make you drink a fifth of Jack just to get thru their starts. What happened to my boy ? Gabbard was cruising with a 9-1 lead when I adjourned to the boudoir for a little mattress baseball and I wake up to him getting bounced with a no decision ? Let's hope he bounces back strong next time.

I hope Theo doesn't have a brain fart and make the wrong move this season. Hopefully they have the smarts to deal some of the 2nd tier guys who are lighting it up at the right time and not mortgage the future.

Shill sure looks good in rehab, but next year I don't care to see him as a part of the rotation.

Becket
Dice-K
Lester
Gabbard
Bucholtz

Why not get something for Shilling now ?

Sniper
07-27-2007, 06:27 AM
Well I guess that's why they call 'em fifth starters - they make you drink a fifth of Jack just to get thru their starts. What happened to my boy ? Gabbard was cruising with a 9-1 lead when I adjourned to the boudoir for a little mattress baseball and I wake up to him getting bounced with a no decision ? Let's hope he bounces back strong next time.

I hope Theo doesn't have a brain fart and make the wrong move this season. Hopefully they have the smarts to deal some of the 2nd tier guys who are lighting it up at the right time and not mortgage the future.

Shill sure looks good in rehab, but next year I don't care to see him as a part of the rotation.

Becket
Dice-K
Lester
Gabbard
Bucholtz

Why not get something for Shilling now ?

Because you're not going to get someone to pony up anything for him, and he'll be good for the rest of the season as a #3-4 starter. Where's Wake for next season?

luckyjackaubrey
07-27-2007, 08:02 AM
I am hoping Wake hangs 'em up. He is a .500 Pitcher and I would rather see his spot given to a kid with the potential to turn into a #3 type guy. If we have Becket truly establishing himself as a #1 and Dice hopefully fine tuning his control issues and settling in as #2, I would like to see the group of kids, who all have the ceilings of front end guys , given the chance to develope.

I will take my chances with youngsters who could become 1's or 2's over the vetran who will more than likely go 14-13 year after year. That approach may lead to one or two kids having horrible seasons next year, but this team has the resources to adjust course midseason and get back into the race via trades etc.

I think if you have a chance to build a dynamic young starting rotation from within ala the Braves of the '90's - you do it. As presently constructed, this team 's foundation is the offense centered around Manny and Ortiz. That is changing with the rise of Paps, Okajima, Delcarmen etc and it is a great time to change our foundation to pitching. The system is full of good young arms and lacking in impact position players.

I agree, trading shilling is a long shot and there would have to be a team that Curt is willing to sign on with and that team would have to be someone who is not a threat to the Sox playoff chances (ie NL). There are probably very few clubs who would match up to this scenario. I just think his contribution to the cause from here on out will be less than what he could bring in trade.

alca1992
07-31-2007, 12:03 PM
well we just traded pinero to the cards for miner leauge player to be named. plus i heard on espn that the sox are the front runners for gagne

luckyjackaubrey
07-31-2007, 02:36 PM
I am not at all enthused with the thoughts of Gagne or Dye. I do not get adding Gagne and losing Gabbard. I like him in the 5th starter role and he fits there, and wants to be there. Gagne doesn't answer in the affermative to any of the same querries regarding being the setup man here.

I hate these mortagage the future trades we seem to make. The Dye attempt makes me feel that Papi is seriously hurt. If that is the case than we should be looking at the future more closely and not trying to win it all this year.

Gagne is injury prone, and is a one year rental. I don't know his contract but I bet he will want out of town next year regardless. Twenty odd minutes to the deadline. I hope nothing big happens.

Don Vito
07-31-2007, 03:09 PM
Any word on the Dye deal? I'm hearing Delcarmen and Wily Mo, apparently its close.

Not sold on the Gagne deal either. We are losing a top prospect and a guy who has performed well in his chances as a rookie for a guy who has injury issues. Plus our bullpen was OK before this.

Sniper
07-31-2007, 03:33 PM
I am hoping Wake hangs 'em up. He is a .500 Pitcher and I would rather see his spot given to a kid with the potential to turn into a #3 type guy. If we have Becket truly establishing himself as a #1 and Dice hopefully fine tuning his control issues and settling in as #2, I would like to see the group of kids, who all have the ceilings of front end guys , given the chance to develope.

I will take my chances with youngsters who could become 1's or 2's over the vetran who will more than likely go 14-13 year after year. That approach may lead to one or two kids having horrible seasons next year, but this team has the resources to adjust course midseason and get back into the race via trades etc.

I think if you have a chance to build a dynamic young starting rotation from within ala the Braves of the '90's - you do it. As presently constructed, this team 's foundation is the offense centered around Manny and Ortiz. That is changing with the rise of Paps, Okajima, Delcarmen etc and it is a great time to change our foundation to pitching. The system is full of good young arms and lacking in impact position players.

I agree, trading shilling is a long shot and there would have to be a team that Curt is willing to sign on with and that team would have to be someone who is not a threat to the Sox playoff chances (ie NL). There are probably very few clubs who would match up to this scenario. I just think his contribution to the cause from here on out will be less than what he could bring in trade.

Sacrilege. Utter sacrilege that you would say you want Wake out. He's still a damn good backend starter and eats up innings and saves our pen. And come on, SChilling has done enough for this team and his career to at least get his name spelled right. SChilling, S-C-H-I-L-L-I-N-G. Schilling can be a very good #3 starter for the end of this year. I'm excited for the young pitchers but I don't know if they're ready for the Show yet.

luckyjackaubrey
07-31-2007, 04:15 PM
I can't agree with the thought that running out a 40 something starter 36 times a year when you can confidently predict he is going .500 at best is sound judgement for a team expecting to contend annually. That is tossing 20% of the season aside and putting immense pressure on the top 3 starters to be significantly over .500 in order to contend. I prefer to think that you have a shot at developing a good young rotation. I would prefer to see a mix of ages and experience levels. It would help with salary structure - we would all love to see all these kids being chatted up become aces but if they did you would have 4-5 kids all asking for $25 million per in 5 years. You had a great mix starting with Gabbard as the low-ball dark horse not costing a big payday. Now he is gone and Gagne is free to walk after this year. I doubt he will even garner us top compensation due to his injuries the past few years.

I think that was a lot to give up for a 1/2 year rental. A lot of that sour grapes you smell is my love of the underdog and my disdain for my Sox becoming more and more like the Yankees each year. It was great to get that world series win at any cost afew years back but I would prefer to be able to cheer for my Sox, not the Sox of the week.

As far a "sacrilege" regarding Wakefiield. I have been watching this team for 12 years longer than you've been alive. I understand the sentiment and he will always hold a place in my heart as a true Red Sox, and a quality human being. That doesn't mean he gets a precious job like starting pitcher for my Sox forever. As far as I am concerned he deserves a spot in the front office somewhere and be taken care of as a loyal soldier. All good things must end.

Put it this way. I get the feeling your feelings for Wake mirror mine for a quarterback of the Patriots years ago and their carreers closely relate. Steve Grogan was a gutsy, talented, real guy who never had an all pro year, but he was here forever, had some memorable achievements, and was loved by a good many and respected by even those who didn't count themselves amongst the latter. I was sad to see him go , even more so to be replaced by a sackless chump as Tony Eason. But it was time and Grogan remains a part of the Pats today. That is who Wake is, and the team will never get better if it doesn't allow the in-house upgrades the farm system is offering.

Not every improvement can be achieved by trading in-house young talent for someone else's established talent. I wish the Sox would just ride the homegrown wave for awhile.

P-L
07-31-2007, 08:53 PM
I'm a big fan of Gabbard, but I thought we could afford to give him up. With six starters on our team (as soon as Schilling comes back) it was a small price to pay to get the best reliever in all of baseball since 2002, when healthy.

255979119
08-06-2007, 03:20 AM
Gagne is injury prone, and is a one year rental. I don't know his contract but I bet he will want out of town next year regardless. Twenty odd minutes to the deadline. I hope nothing big happens.

He could stay because of geography reasons (close to Montreal), but the reason I would see him leaving is because he might want to be a full time closer.

P-L
08-07-2007, 09:38 AM
I can't wait until this series is over. We have an excellent chance to rebuild our AL East lead back up. We have: @ BAL, vs TB, vs LAA, @ TB, @ CWS. The Yankees have: @ CLE, vs BAL, vs DET, @ LAA, @ DET.

Sniper
08-07-2007, 10:26 AM
I can't wait until this series is over. We have an excellent chance to rebuild our AL East lead back up. We have: @ BAL, vs TB, vs LAA, @ TB, @ CWS. The Yankees have: @ CLE, vs BAL, vs DET, @ LAA, @ DET.

So we get the AAA teams now? I'm excited. So pumped to go to Baltimore this weekend.

And if there's a place that scares me more for the Sox than the West Coast, I'm not sure what it is.

Jughead10
08-08-2007, 01:53 PM
http://bostondirtdogs.boston.com/Headline_Archives/BDD_NYY_mirror_5_bdd.jpg

Sniper
08-09-2007, 07:38 PM
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The Yankees: Moving up to MLB competition after 3 weeks of AA ball.

Jughead10
08-10-2007, 07:20 AM
The Yankees: Moving up to MLB competition after 3 weeks of AA ball.

Like John Lennon said, "Whatever gets you through the night". The way we have been hitting I don't think it matters who we are facing. You still have to beat those bad teams. I always say that. The division isn't won by whoever take the 18 or 19 games between the Sox and Yanks. The division is won by who can beat up on the Rays, O's and Jays more. In past years the Jays have been a huge thorn in your side and you have choked against the Yanks in the regular season. Thats a huge reason why the Sox haven't won a division in a while.

alca1992
08-17-2007, 02:27 PM
we traded wily mo pena today to the nationlals witch sucks cause i toght he could be a really nice player for us. also clay buchholz made his debut today

P-L
08-17-2007, 10:35 PM
Eric Gagne BLOWS!

Sniper
08-17-2007, 10:35 PM
Eric Gagne BLOWS!

I second this statement. Can we get a re-do on the trade?

luckyjackaubrey
08-18-2007, 05:29 AM
Did I not say trading Kason Gabbard was a bad idea ?

alca1992
09-01-2007, 08:58 PM
well right now clay has a no hitter through 8

alca1992
09-01-2007, 09:11 PM
Yes He Did It!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jay
09-01-2007, 10:15 PM
Did I not say trading Kason Gabbard was a bad idea ?

Today is a classic example of why we traded Gabbard. He was NEVER going to get past Buchholz or Lester in the pecking order, and his value NEVER would have been higher. As mediocre as Gagme has been, the value in that trade was great. Two guys stuck behind younger/better prospects for a guy who can close on just about every other team in the majors. Now that he's gotten through the fact that he was tipping pitches, I think he'll be fine moving forward...

luckyjackaubrey
09-02-2007, 06:14 AM
Now where the hell have you been ? Good to have you back. I agree about Kason's value et al but I wish they had sent Lester instead. I am not sure the guy is going to get over his nibbling ways, and that was an issue before the cancer.

That was quite a lift the kid gave us yesterday. I need to get back to the Globe and read up, I had no idea he was even back up.

Don Vito
09-02-2007, 10:37 PM
Thats was one of the more amazing things I have seen in sports. A no-hitter in his second start in the MLB.

Don Vito
09-02-2007, 11:29 PM
Bucholz yesterday and Ellsbury today just make the future look even more exciting. At the beginning of this season I never would have guessed these guys would be at this performance level in the MLB yet.

P-L
09-04-2007, 07:44 PM
Ellsbury: 2-2, 2-R HR

alca1992
09-08-2007, 09:51 AM
lester looked good last night

luckyjackaubrey
09-08-2007, 03:04 PM
I am still holding my breath on him. He has put a few solid outings in a row . I hope he fulfills

luckyjackaubrey
09-08-2007, 03:04 PM
I am still holding my breath on him. He has put a few solid outings in a row . I hope he lives up to his potential

P-L
09-09-2007, 08:36 PM
Magic Number: 14

Schedule:
vs Tampa Bay
vs New York
@ Toronto
@ Tampa Bay

I say we should be able to go no worse than 7-5 in that stretch. I would love to go 8-4 or better.

alca1992
10-04-2007, 07:30 AM
if josh beckett doesnt win the cy i will be pissed

alca1992
10-16-2007, 12:32 PM
ive been on vacation so i know this is kinda old but.......i hate eric gagne

Jvig43
10-22-2007, 07:58 PM
soo was there any doubt that we wouldnt come back from that? i knew if beckett got us back to fenway wed be back into it, but hopefully we can get it done now for the big one. opn a side note, last night me and my suite mate found a shopping cart and strolled it around campus with my laptop playing tessie by dropkick murphies. god its good to be a new england sports fan.

Scarface
10-28-2007, 06:09 PM
I just became a Red Sox fan. Ya Dice-K throw that gyroball. GO SOX BEST TEAM EVER.

Bostonsportlova
10-29-2007, 08:24 PM
One championship down
2 to go.