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Brown Leader
12-18-2012, 11:56 AM
sup. updated 1/14

returning: - Jake Matthews - Taylor Lewan - C.J. Mosley - Anthony Barr - Jason Verett - Logan Thomas - Jordan Matthews - J.Jeffcoat - Antone Exum - Rico Allen - Justin Gilbert - Gabe Jackson - Jonathan Brown - Aaron Murray

RD.1


1. Kansas City Chiefs – James "Tyler" Wilson /QB/ Arkansas:
Never seen a guy take as many lights out shots but keep getting up and producing. If the past 2 seasons for the Razorbacks hasn't ruined him he'll be a more then solid pro. Plays with a chip that he'll bring to any team. Great arm talent/adequate mobility. And doing it with only one real weapon-having almost an identical season as last year's when he was supposedly surrounded with top WR talent. I'd take him over any other QB in this class. NFL comp. Tony Romo

2. Jacksonville Jaguars - Bjoern Werner* /DE-OLB/ Florida State:
I haven't been really high on Werner but he's showed a knack for playing big in big games. Have him now as the first DE taken because he gets off the ball better then anyone in this class. NFL comp. Chris Long

3. Oakland Raiders – Star Lotulelei /DT/ Utah:
Dennis Allen's already on the hot seat. Safe bet they take the highest rated defender available here. NFL comp. Ndamukong Suh
*previous DaMontre Moore

4. Philadelphia Eagles – Luke Joeckel* /OT/ Texas A&M:
Yes, it’s hoped Peters stays upright and makes it back but he’ll be entering the downside of his career coming off a serious injury. Joeckel is possibly the surest offense side player available and if the new Eagles regime wants to play it safe, he’s their guy. NFL comp. Joe Thomas

5. Detroit Lions - Ezekiel Ansah /DE/ BYU:
A one year wonder and raw but much further along then he should be with his experience. Incredible athlete at 270lbs that will shine at the combine. Already an outstanding run defender, if he responds quickly to pro coaching in the upcoming workouts/practices and shows he can come off the ball better, he'll be a top ten pick. In a bizarre twist, Suh might make a great mentor him. NFL Comp. Mario Williams
*previous Manti Te'o

6. Cleveland Browns – DaMontre Moore* /DE/ Texas A&M:
I thought Moore would have a strong season but he looks better then I envisioned. Huge fan now. They moved him to DE after playing as a stand up OLB last year and he's dominating. He's everything you hope Mingo can be. He can play up or down and moves around in the Aggies defense. Jarvis Jones should be the pick but I think Lombardi will pass. NFL comp. Willie McGinest
*previous Dion Jordan

7. Arizona Cardinals - Matt Barkley /QB/ USC:
Barkley's extremely hard to project. He's getting knocked for this season's performance and the lack of measurables but i'm not willing to bet against him. He's got elite timing and accuracy and very sneaky athleticism in the pocket. NFL comp. Drew Brees

8. TRADE Indianapolis Colts (BUF) – Jarvis Jones* /OLB-DE/ Georgia:
Jones' medical condition is downright scary. How far he drops because of it is the question. He's been playing at a high level with the condition for awhile but even if there isn't a catastrophe in his future, his longevity is seriously in question. For now he's a first rounder but he will be taken off a lot of teams boards. There’s a good chance if/when he falls a team that really covets him and is confident in his health trades up for him. (Grigson) NFL comp. Chad Brown

9. New York Jets - Dion Jordan /DE-OLB/ Oregon:
Recent news of surgery to repair torn labrum should prevent Jordan from showing out in pre draft workouts and halting a likely draft board rise. Especially raw, but the mobility of a DB and the size of a DE. NFL comp. Mathias Kiwanuka
*previous Tyler Bray

10. Tennessee Titans - Sheldon Richardson* /DT/ Missouri:
Actually considered Elam this high but a dominating interior pass rusher could get the Titans D over the hump. That said, Martin and Cassey are pretty solid DTs but neither are great pass rushers. Richardson is ridiculously athletic for a bigger guy. NFL Comp. Darnell Docket
*previous Ezekiel Ansah

11. San Diego Chargers – Oday Aboushi /OT/ Virginia:
I like Joeckel & Matthews, but Oday is right up there with them imo and more athletic then either. If he dominates like I think he will senior week, with Matthews and Lewan returning, he'll go higher then most expect. NFL comp.
*previous Taylor Lewan, Jake Matthews

12. Miami Dolphins – Tyler Eifert /TE/ Notre Dame:
Eifert is underrated and I think his stock will soar as the draft gets closer. NFL Comp. Jimmy Graham

13. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Dee Milliner*/CB/ Alabama:
With so few top CBs in this class, Milliner would probably be wise to declare. I def don't see a top ten guy but, who knows, Gilmore went there last year. Right now I think he's just top 20. NFL Comp. Terrell Thomas

14. Carolina Panthers – Cordarrelle Patterson*/WR/Tennessee:
Incredible open field runner for a taller guy. Extremely raw but his upside is off the charts. Smitty could be a strong mentor to help him perfect his craft. NFL Comp. Josh Cribbs -but with elite lateral quickness.
*previous Star Lotulelei

15. TRADE Chicago Bears (NO) - Chance Warmack /OG/ Alabama:
Bears should be serious about the offensive line this draft and make sure they get an upgrade. They give up a 14' 3rd and this year's 4th to grab Warmack here. I'm not sure, though, if it makes more sense to stay put and look at Aboushi. What say you Bear backers? NFL Comp. Jahri Evans
*previous Taylor Lewan

16. St. Louis Rams - Eric Fisher /OT/Central Michigan:
Fisher needs more work but he's a fiery bulked up TE with a lot of upside. NFL comp Joe Staley
*previous Oday Aboushi, Chance Warmack

17. Pittsburgh Steelers - Keenan Allen* /WR/ California:
Te'o's very tempting but Allen’s worth a top ten pick. His stock might take a hit if he recovers slowly from his late season knee injury and Patterson/Austin blaze. NFL Comp. Javon Walker
*previous Cordarrelle Patterson

18. Dallas Cowboys - Jesse Williams /NT/ Alabama:
Not yet getting enough recognition. Williams should become a beast of an interior lineman in the NFL-able to play in any scheme. With the emergence of the Redskins and a likely shift on offense by the Eagles next season with a fresh QB and 2 big time RBs, the Cowboys better be prepared to defend the run. NFL Comp. Antonio Garay

19. New York Giants - Barkevious Mingo*/DE-OLB/ LSU:
Mingo is expected to blow everyone away at the combine but he's doing almost nothing as a part time player this season. Still, he could be something like a better Michael Johnson. NFL comp. Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila
*previous Oday Aboushi

20. TRADE New Orleans Saints (CHI) - Matt Elam*/S /Florida:
As little as he is, if he declares he could rise in this class. Harper has been a liability against the pass for too long. NFL Comp. Dante Whitner
*previous Sheldon Richardson

21. Cincinnati Bengals - Arthur Brown /LB/ Kansas St:
Checked back on ND games for Te'o after that horrid bowl game and compared him with Brown and Minter (vs Miami, Oregon, & A&M). Got to say now that Brown is possibly the best ILB prospect of the three. Undersized but doesn't play like it. He can thump inside while also looking great in space. If the Bengals are looking for a more dynamic upgrade from Mauluga, he's their guy. If he times and tests strong, look for him to rise. Comp. Jon Beason
*previous Matt Elam, Eric Reid

22. St. Louis Rams (WAS) - Tavon Austin /WR-RB/ West Virginia:
Rams could go in other directions but Austin is a top 20 prospect and fits in especially well imo. NFL comp. Darren Sproles

23. Minnesota Vikings - Terrance Williams /WR/ Baylor:
Wiiliams has size and speed but it's his quick feet that I think will make him Baylor's 3rd straight first round pick. Sort of a first round sleeper that should generate momentum after senior week practices. NFL comp. Jeremy Maclin
*previous Keenan Allen

24 TRADE Buffalo Bills (IND) - Ryan Nassib /QB/ Syracuse:
OK-there's no denying now that the Bills would be best served going the same route the Dolphins took last season and draft the QB their recently signed OC & HC coached at SU. Nassib's skill set doesn't set the world on fire but he does everything well and makes good decisions. He's a hard nosed competitor and leader that some GM/HC will fall in love with. Bills could pick up an extra 1st (14') from Indy to drop down and go after their QB. NFL Comp. Christian Ponder
*previous Tyler Bray

25. TRADE. Philadelphia Eagles (SEA) - Geno Smith /QB/ West Virginia
Napoleon's done surprisingly well but it's hard to see a new regime completely confident with him for their future. Once a possible #1 overall pick, Smith's confidence has taken a major hit during WVU's losing skid. He looks rattled and it's affected his accuracy and decision making. Still, his physical skills and arm talent are solid, and he generally shows great poise and always top notch work ethic. NFL comp. Aaron Brooks

26. TRADE New York Jets (GB) - Tyler Bray* /QB/ Tennessee:
As the pre-draft workouts edge closer I think it'll become clear that Bray has the most arm talent of any QB in this class. The question will be where his head's at. He's got a Cutler/Stafford caliber arm but seemingly the intangibles of Matt Leinart. If coached well he'll be the 2nd best QB out of this group. Rex has stated he wants a more aggressive, attacking offense. With Bray's arm that's entirely possible. Rex is also the type of master motivator that Bray could really respond to. NFL Comp. Ryan Mallett
*previous Ryan Nassib, Brian Winters

27. Houston Texans – Eric Reid* /S/LSU:
Reid started off the season slow but has really picked it up of late. NFL comp. William Moore
*previous Matt Elam

28. Denver Broncos - Eddie Lacy*/RB/ Alabama:
Superbly talented but also playing behind a phenomenal line. Still his feet, agility and speed at 225+ is special. NFL Comp. Steven Jackson
*previous LeVeon Bell

29. Baltimore Ravens - Manti Te'o /LB/ Notre Dame:
Perhaps I'm jumping the gun, but Te'o's performance against the first NFL caliber front he's faced was pretty awful. Some games count more then others and based off that championship game, it's hard to still justify him as a top 10 pick. His play reminds me of Mauluga but his intangibles are Ray Lewis. NFL comp. Rey Mauluga
*previous Barkevius Mingo

30. Atlanta Falcons - Margus Hunt /DE/ SMU:
Overaged but ought to be a first rounder and really a bargain as a late first rounder.
*previous Corey Lemonier

31. New England Patriots - Jonathan Hankins* /DT/ Ohio State:
Top 15 talent but questionable motor and poor game tape late has his stock dropping. But BB likes his DTs.

32. San Francisco 49ers - Corey Lemonier* /DE/ Auburn:
Lemonier has been one of the most consistent rushers in the country for awhile. NFL Comp. Shawn Merriman
*previous Margus Hunt




RD.2


33. Jacksonville Jaguars - Mike Glennon /QB/ NC State:
I think Henne is playing well enough to be the starter moving forward but the next HC will want a guy to groom as well. I was initially impressed how Glennon's came along this season...then I took a look at him vs Virginia and it all fell apart-ditto his bowl game. Might pick up big numbers in the right offense but will probably never shake the tendency to make unforced mistakes. Buyer beware. NFL Comp. Derek Anderson
*previous Tyler Bray, Ryan Nassib, E.J. Manuel

34. Kansas City Chiefs – Cobi Hamilton /WR/ Arkansas:
Huge fan of Hamilton. He's been unstoppable for the Razorbacks this season and has no weaknesses to his game. NFL Comp. - Denarius Moore

35. TRADE Seattle Seahawks (PHI) – Alec Ogletree* /LB/ Georgia:
Fills the stat sheet on a talented Georgia D but is still pretty raw. NFL Comp. Kevin Burnett

36. Detroit Lions - Johnthan Banks /CB/ Mississippi St:
Stock depends on how well he looks senior week. NFL Comp. DRC
*previous Xavier Rhodes

37. Cincinnati Bengals (OAK) – Xavier Rhodes /CB-S/ Florida State:
Rhodes has the size and tackling ability to play safety if needed. NFL comp. Gary Baxter
*previous Johnthan Banks

38. Arizona Cardinals - D.J. Fluker* /OT/Alabama:
Good coaching and D.J.'s a pro bowler.

39. Cleveland Browns (supp) - Josh Gordon /WR/ Baylor:
Supplemental pick Flash has been the Browns best WR this season. That's good and bad. NFL comp. Vincent Jackson

40. TRADE Green Bay Packers (NYJ) - Giovanni Bernard* /RB/ North Carolina:
Not as fast as the big runs would indicate and has some durability concerns, but can make something out of nothing with impressive natural running skills. NFL Comp. Ahmad Bradshaw

41. Tennessee Titans – Jonathan Cooper /OG/ North Carolina:
Smart, athletic guard some view as better then Warmack. NFL Comp. Davin Joseph

42. Buffalo Bills – Kevin Minter* /LB/ LSU:
Not flashy but Minter looks lke a solid pro ILB.
*previous Alex Okafor, Sam Montgomery

43. Miami Dolphins – Will Davis /CB/ Utah State:
Out of nowhere man press guy who can help his stock with a good showing senior week.
*previous D.J. Fluker

44. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - Logan Ryan* /CB/ Rutgers:
Under the radar guy having a strong season on a great defense. Size, ball skills-needs to show well in the post season to rise. NFL Comp. Leon Hall

45. Carolina Panthers - Sylvester Williams /DT/ UNC:
Looks a little like Geno Atkins.
*previous Justin Hunter

46. New Orleans Saints – forfeited:

47. San Diego Chargers – E.J. Manuel /QB/ Florida State:
Took a long look at E.J. and even though his skill set is ideal, he struggles to make the easy plays. Boom/bust prospect that will sink or swim depending on the coaching and situation. NFL comp. Dante Culpepper
*previous Logan Thomas

48. St Louis Rams – Kenny Vaccaro /S/ Texas:
The tatted one has not had a stellar season but is still a solid prospect and one of the few high rated in this draft.
*previous Dallas Thomas

49. Dallas Cowboys - Barrett Jones /OC-OG/ Alabama:
Will become more valuable because of his versatility.

50. Pittsburgh Steelers - Le'Veon Bell* /RB/ Michigan State:
Possibly the most slept on prospect right now. Mired on a terrible college offense, Bell will end up a steal in the NFL. Eddie George
*previous Eddie Lacy

51. New York Giants – Lane Johnson /OT/ Oklahoma:
Competes straight away at OT.
*previous Alex Okafor

52. Chicago Bears - Jordan Reed* /TE/ Florida:
Probably a longshot to declare. I've come down on him just a bit. He's still an underrated talent but not quite pre motorcycle K2. NFL Comp. Aaron Hernandez

53. Washington Redskins – Tony Jefferson* /S/ Oklahoma:
Solid but unspectacular guy upgrades the Skins secondary.
*previous Kenny Vaccaro

54. Minnesota Vikings – Alex Okafor /DE/ Texas:
Okafor is the best Texas defender imo. NFL Comp. Michael Bennett
*previous Khassem Greene

53. Cincinnati Bengals – Khassem Greene /OLB/ Rutgers:
Former safety who's become a dominant defender and arguably the top OLB in the draft.

55. Miami Dolphins (IND) – Justin Pugh* /OT/ Syracuse:
Well regarded OL who wouldn't have come out unless he got a fairly decent grade from the advisory. NFL Comp. Eric Steinbach
*previous Phillip Thomas

56. Green Bay Packers – Sam Montgomery* /DE/ LSU:
Another guy I'm not really sold on but it's hard to tell with all the talent on LSU. Certainly took a hit to his stock after A&M. NFL comp. (taller) Brandon Graham
*previous Lane Johnson

57. Seattle Seahawks - Shariff Floyd* /DT/ Florida:
Big motored, talented DT/DE to add to the mix.
*previous Kawaan Short, Sylvester Williams

58. Houston Texans – Datone Jones /DE/ UCLA:
Athletic for his size and ideally suited for 34 DE. NFL Comp. Cameron Jordan

59. Denver Broncos – Gavin Escobar* /TE/ San Diego St
Big athletic TE who blocks and moves extremely well for his size. NFL Comp. Jason Witten
*previous Robert Alford, John Jenkins

60. Baltimore Ravens – DeAndre Hopkins* /WR/ Clemson:
Hopkins is stepping up big this season for Clemson. The only drawback might be how fast he actually is. NFL comp. Nate Burleson
*previous Stedman Bailey, Justin Hunter

61. Atlanta Falcons - Dion Sims* /TE/ Michigan St:
Probably a longshot to declare but he's foremost a bear of a blocker but with great hands and potential in the passing game. NFL Comp. Marcedes Lewis

62. New England Patriots – Stedman Bailey*/WR/ West Virginia:
High on Bailey since last year when I thought he physically abused Mo Claiborne at the los and out quicked him in the open field. He's underrated due to his big play teammate and should go higher. NFL Comp. Lance Moore
*previous Denard Robinson

63. San Francisco 49ers – Justin Hunter* /WR/Tennessee:
Possible deep & red zone threat if he comes back fully from his knee injury. NFL comp. Malcolm Floyd
*previous Robert Woods



RD.3


64. Kansas City Chiefs – Jordan Poyer /CB/ Oregon State:
Not the biggest fan of Poyer but he's consistent and productive. NFL Comp. Cary Williams
*previous John Jenkins, Robert Alford

65. Jacksonville Jaguars – Leon McFadden /CB/ San Diego State:
Smallish but solid all around CB prospect. NFL Comp. Leonard Johnson
*previous Jordan Poyer

66. Detroit Lions – Denard Robinson /WR-RB/ Michigan:
Just an explosive playmaker who plays bigger then his size wherever you line him up. NFL Comp. Percy Harvin
*previous DeAndre Hopkins, John Simon, Margus Hunt

67. Oakland Raiders – John Simon /DE/ Ohio State:
He'll drop some because he's an inbetweener but he's one of those potential mid round steals.
*previous DeAndre Hopkins, Shane Skov

68. TRADE Seattle Seahawks (PHI)– Robert Woods* /WR/ USC:
Woods is now the forgotten guy with Lee breaking out. What I like most is his toughness. NFL comp. Santonio Holmes
*previous: DeAndre Hopkins

69. Cleveland Browns – T.J. McDonald /S/ USC:
Browns have a great big hole at S. NFL Comp.
*previous Antone Exum (returning)

70. Arizona Cardinals - Dallas Thomas /OG-OT/ Tennessee:
Versatile and athletic helps out inside and outside.

71. Tennessee Titans – Shawn Williams /S/ Georgia:
Testing well will really help his status and solidify him as a mid round guy.
*previous T.J. McDonald

72. Buffalo Bills – Da'Rick Rogers* /WR/ Tenn. Tech:
Should probably stay another year but circumstances might have him declaring. NFL Comp. Kenny Britt
*previous Gavin Escobar

73. TRADE Green Bay Packers (NYJ) - Kiko Alonso /LB/ Oregon :
If he can convince teams his off field antics are entirely behind him, he could go here or higher with his talent.
*previous Kyle Van Noy

74. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Ace Sanders*/WR/South Carolina:
Lightening quick jumpstarter for the offense and sts. NFL Comp. Devin Hester
*previous Brennen Williams

75. San Francisco 49ers (CAR) – Zach Ertz* /TE/ Stanford:
Ertz doesn't look as good a prospect to me as Fleener, who went high 2nd last year but underperformed as a rookie. Ertz could be a replacement for FA Walker and is still a bargain in the 3rd. NFL Comp. Dennis Pitta
*previous Joseph Fauria

76. New Orleans Saints - Kyle Long /OT/ Oregon:
Bushrod?

77. San Diego Chargers – Joseph Randle /RB/ Oklahoma St.:
Quietly stepped up his game in the absence of Weeden and Blackmon. A complete back who should go higher then this. If he continues to get stronger as a pro, he'll be a pro bowl back. NFL comp. softer - DaMarco Murray
*previous Shane Skov, Andre Ellington

78. Miami Dolphins – Gerald Hodges /LB/ Penn State:
Overlooked guy showing the ability at the Shrine to play inside and outside.
*previous Leon McFadden, Da'Rick Rogers

79. St. Louis Rams – Brian Winters /OG-OT/ Kent State:
Unheralded prospect that destroys opponents in the run game creating some late season buzz.
*previous T.J. McDonald

80. Pittsburgh Steelers – Andrew Jackson*/LB/Western Kentucky:
Small school destroyer looks like he could fit.

81. Dallas Cowboys - Montee Ball /RB/ Wisconsin:
Planning for Murray to get through all 16 gms is just wishful thinking.
*previous Gio Bernard, Da'Rick Rogers

82. New York Giants – Bruce Taylor /LB/ Virginia Tech:
Quietly productive prospect that plays run/pass well and rushes effectively.
*previous Jon Bostic

83. Miami Dolphins (CHI) – John Jenkins /DT/ Georgia:
Bust potential for sure but you can't coach up size + motor. Jenkins gets blown off the ball too often for a guy of his size but massive DTs who can move and hustle are rare commodities-I guess. NFL comp. Shaun Smith
*previous Gerald Hodges

84. Minnesota Vikings – Zac Dysert /QB/ Miami (Ohio):
QB competition. And Webb can be sent packing. NFL Comp. Kyle Orton

85. Cincinnati Bengals - Andre Ellington /RB/ Clemson:
Missing that explosive homerun hitter. NFL Comp. Chris Johnson
*previous John Simon

86. Washington Redskins - Nickel Roby* /CB/ Ohio State:
Small man to man tough guy.
*previous Tyrann Mathieu

87. Indianapolis Colts - Larry Warford /OG/ Kentucky:
Athletic for his size will get him drafted higher then his play warrants.

88. Seattle Seahawks – Brennan Williams /OT/UNC:
Coming back from injury, if everything works out, could wind up a steal.
*previous Rick Wagner

89. Green Bay Packers - Mychal Rivera /TE/ Tennessee.:
Finley is such a disappointment.

90. Houston Texans – Phillip Thomas /S/ Fresno St:
Getting buzz as the first S taken, idk about that..
*previous Joseph Fauria

91. Denver Broncos - Quinton Patton /WR/ Louisiana Tech:
Not fast but great feet and stop and start ability with solid size. NFL Comp. Donald Driver

92. Baltimore Ravens - Baccari Rambo /S/ Georgia:
Might wind up a better pro then teammate Williams.

93. Atlanta Falcons – Kawaan Short /DT/ Purdue:
When his motors on, he's a top 20 guy. He could drop because of inconsistency but he'll probably generate buzz though senior week. NFL Comp. Phil Taylor
*previous Brandon Williams

94. New England Patriots – Tank Carradine /DE/ Florida St:
It worked with Cannon.

95.San Francisco 49ers – Bennie Logan* /DE/ LSU:
LSU underclassman sale.
*previous Brandon Jenkins, Kyle Van Oy

vidae
12-18-2012, 12:17 PM
I like that Chiefs draft for the most part, but Cobi Hamilton has the dropsies. I'd rather have Justin Hunter there.

I love the other two picks though, and you got all the positions right. +1

cjrugger
12-18-2012, 12:39 PM
Nice job on 3 rounds this early. Hard to project players but I like the Skins taking a Safety first. I think it could end up being either of the UGA guys instead, but whatever, position is correct

Disagree on the TE tho. Im assuming Fred Davis will be back, Logan Paulsen has filled in admirably, and the staff loves Niles Paul. Too much of a luxury pick

I think out of our first 3 picks we need OL, Secondary and WR/playmaker help so given the Vaccaro pick I would look at Da'Rick or the OT's going soon after. Or flip it and we take Robert Woods/Barret Jones in the 2nd and Rambo in the 3rd

indyfan1985
12-18-2012, 12:51 PM
For the Colts, Id rather us stay put and trade down into the 2nd to get extra picks, or just take either Mingo, Hankins, or Elam.

LOVE the 3rd round pick of OG Larry Warford.

Bengals78
12-18-2012, 01:33 PM
I could not think of a more "Meh" draft.
Not really a fan of any of the picks.
Don't really HATE any of them either.

ChicagoBearsVet23
12-18-2012, 01:33 PM
I'd want the Bears to pick Hankins and Woods.

wicket
12-18-2012, 01:45 PM
meh about the first rounder with better guys on the board, flat out hate the saints third rounder given the board

Pat Sims 90
12-18-2012, 01:48 PM
Bengals draft is fine.

killxswitch
12-18-2012, 01:53 PM
Big fan of Warford in the 3rd, and Jenkins is great, but I can't imagine trading up to get him.

bored of education
12-18-2012, 01:53 PM
Cobi is the epitome of a body catcher. I like Tyler Wilson a lot. Id rather Banks or Hunter

bored of education
12-18-2012, 01:53 PM
Arthur Brown in the 3rd please. WIlson, Hunter, Brown = A++

LonghornsLegend
12-18-2012, 02:05 PM
Crabtree is basically a bust? That makes absolutely no sense to me at all. Also random question, but you don't see Giovanni Bernard going in the first 3 rounds? Or did I just miss him?


Dallas first 2 rounds you nailed, I'd also be happy with swapping and goingEric Reid in the 1st and Barrett Jones in the 2nd, or Warmack in the 1st and Vaccarro in the 2nd. Those are both huge needs also.


WR is just a no-no in the first 3 rounds. We have Dez as the 1, Austin locked in as the 2 for a few more years at minimum, Dwayne Harris has emerged as the PR guy, slot WR or outside guy and he's made plays, while Beasley does great in the slot. We just have too many needs on the o-line, Safety, and NT now.

Brown Leader
12-18-2012, 10:00 PM
Crabtree is basically a bust? That makes absolutely no sense to me at all. Also random question, but you don't see Giovanni Bernard going in the first 3 rounds? Or did I just miss him?


Dallas first 2 rounds you nailed, I'd also be happy with swapping and goingEric Reid in the 1st and Barrett Jones in the 2nd, or Warmack in the 1st and Vaccarro in the 2nd. Those are both huge needs also.


WR is just a no-no in the first 3 rounds. We have Dez as the 1, Austin locked in as the 2 for a few more years at minimum, Dwayne Harris has emerged as the PR guy, slot WR or outside guy and he's made plays, while Beasley does great in the slot. We just have too many needs on the o-line, Safety, and NT now.

Too strong. On Crabtree. I just recognized he's actually having a solid season. It's just the hype on him was so high coming out and it's taken till now for him to just become solid. I'm biased. I haven't liked him since some guys on here wanted the Browns to draft him to make an Edwards/Crabtree combo-what a disaster that would've been.

Bernard. I'm not as high on as everyone apparently and he's got legitimate injury issues.

On a WR-Is Harris really that good? I thought Da'Rick was kind of a steal in the 3rd.

Brown Leader
12-18-2012, 10:01 PM
Arthur Brown in the 3rd please. WIlson, Hunter, Brown = A++

Are you figuring a new coach will scrap the 34? Brown looks kinda small to play inside.

Brown Leader
12-18-2012, 10:04 PM
Cobi is the epitome of a body catcher. I like Tyler Wilson a lot. Id rather Banks or Hunter

You and Vidae both mentioned things I haven't seen from Hamilton. I'll look again.

Brown Leader
12-18-2012, 10:07 PM
Big fan of Warford in the 3rd, and Jenkins is great, but I can't imagine trading up to get him.

Why not? You've got a young, hungry GM and a team ready to contend. Jenkins is a top 5 pick if he's 100% and good to go. But if there's debate among teams, he''ll drop.

Brown Leader
12-18-2012, 10:08 PM
I'd want the Bears to pick Hankins and Woods.

No LT!? (10)

Brown Leader
12-18-2012, 10:10 PM
Nice job on 3 rounds this early. Hard to project players but I like the Skins taking a Safety first. I think it could end up being either of the UGA guys instead, but whatever, position is correct

Disagree on the TE tho. Im assuming Fred Davis will be back, Logan Paulsen has filled in admirably, and the staff loves Niles Paul. Too much of a luxury pick

I think out of our first 3 picks we need OL, Secondary and WR/playmaker help so given the Vaccaro pick I would look at Da'Rick or the OT's going soon after. Or flip it and we take Robert Woods/Barret Jones in the 2nd and Rambo in the 3rd

Yea, I spaced on Fred Davis being on IR. How about the honey pot badger?

EDIT 19. Washington Redskins- Tyrann Mathieu* /CB/ LSU:

Packers12
12-18-2012, 10:44 PM
You think Denver takes a RB in round 1? I think they would consider a CB like Banks since they have Moreno/Hillman

coordinator0
12-18-2012, 11:48 PM
You had me until the Rambo pick. Mingo would be a nice addition as the primary situational pass-rusher for now (assuming Kruger signs a bigger deal elsewhere like I think he will) and to eventually take over for Suggs. Woods isn't quite the type of WR I'm hoping they target but at that point I like the value. Rambo... meh. Just not a fan of his and I'd rather they just keep developing Thompson to take over for Reed rather than draft another safety in the 3rd-4th round range. Overall I would be fairly happy with it though.

Robcards
12-19-2012, 06:06 AM
I'm assuming since you have the Jets reaching all 3 rounds that Tannenbaum is still the GM? Awful Jets draft. Bray is a nutcase that has a strong arm with mechanical flaws, he isn't a 1st rounder at this point. In a class loaded at interior linemen, I highly doubt Winters goes that early, I can think of so many guys I'd rather have there. Jenkins should probably go around where Ronnell Lewis went last year, day 3.

FootballGod
12-19-2012, 06:48 AM
I have no problem with the Bengals draft. Good job bro!

DiG
12-19-2012, 07:18 AM
Yea, I spaced on Fred Davis being on IR. How about the honey pot badger?

EDIT 19. Washington Redskins- Tyrann Mathieu* /CB/ LSU:

Fred may be on IR but that does not mean he's coming back. He was franchised this past season. Injury and drug issues aren't all that reassuring...I'm all for drafting a TE but not until the 3rd or later. I'm also not a big fan of Vaccaro in the 2nd. I think it's a stretch and would prefer someone I'm more confident can make an immediate impact.

CJSchneider
12-19-2012, 10:17 AM
I like Hankins more than Richardson, but the OT to NO in the 3rd is right on.

ncst8fan83
12-19-2012, 11:26 AM
Do you have Amerson returning for his SR year or going after the 3rd round?

LonghornsLegend
12-19-2012, 12:14 PM
Too strong. On Crabtree. I just recognized he's actually having a solid season. It's just the hype on him was so high coming out and it's taken till now for him to just become solid. I'm biased. I haven't liked him since some guys on here wanted the Browns to draft him to make an Edwards/Crabtree combo-what a disaster that would've been.

Bernard. I'm not as high on as everyone apparently and he's got legitimate injury issues.

On a WR-Is Harris really that good? I thought Da'Rick was kind of a steal in the 3rd.



I agree mostly on Crabs. He's not an elite WR, a game changer, somebody who takes over games or anything, but he's productive at least. We've likely seen what he is, had he not gone to a school that made him produce such gaudy stats nobody would have talked him up into that type of prospect. Good, solid player but not top 10 good.


Interesting about Bernard. He looks great on film and from what I know he was only injured once, before his freshman year. He redshirted, then had 2 big years without any known injuries.


In terms of Harris, yes, he has been. He's been stunted because we want to force Ogletree the ball for some reason, but he's played well at outside and inside WR. He's a Davone Bess clone. Not anything you'd say you were excited about as a #2 guy, but he can fill in for Austin or Dez really well and he's still getting better also. Had some blow up pre-seasons, made some huge catches for us this year, and lately he seems to be growing into that role. Romo also loves Beasley, Amendola type who is just so hard to cover in the slot and always open.


It's not the player taken there at all, just more needs. I'd throw a fit if we drafted a WR in the first 3-4 rounds and didn't really have a place to put him, when Guard, Center, NT, Safety, and even more importantly RB is such a huge need.


Felix is walking, and there is nothing else there so keep RB in mind for Dallas. We can't go into 2012 banking on Demarco being healthy, so a Ray Graham in the 4th is an option or even going with a guy in the 3rd would be huge. NT looks wide open, both safety spots could use starters. While Harris isn't a guy I expect to develop into a future starter opposite Dez or anything, as a #3 most team would be happy with that and I can't bump the need up any higher until Austin starts to lose a step or 2. Though we may go bpa and I can't fault it, because we did put a bid in on Josh Gordon, but we have been going the UDFA route on WR's so often it'd be hard to see us go with a drafted guy before round 5 with so many immediate needs.

tfry
12-19-2012, 02:01 PM
Re: St. Louis

Can't say I like this draft at all. Wormack is a solid pick, but to follow it up with a gadget player and another guard??? First, we have Chris Givens who is a burner. Second, Pead and Richardson are both speed backs so I don't see how a Sproles-like player fits in with the Rams.

If we took Chance in the 1st round, that would give us two solid Guards with Dahl. We need a stud LT more than anything. You're hitting the areas of greatest need, but just getting the players wrong.

Brown Leader
12-19-2012, 02:31 PM
Do you have Amerson returning for his SR year or going after the 3rd round?

After the 3rd. I saw a play from him late in the season where he basically quit on a play where the QB was scrambling for the endzone pylon. With just solid effort he could have stopped the guy from scoring but he let up and the guy scored. Beat deep all season and poor effort? I think he's at best a 4th rounder.

Brown Leader
12-19-2012, 02:43 PM
I agree mostly on Crabs. He's not an elite WR, a game changer, somebody who takes over games or anything, but he's productive at least. We've likely seen what he is, had he not gone to a school that made him produce such gaudy stats nobody would have talked him up into that type of prospect. Good, solid player but not top 10 good.


Interesting about Bernard. He looks great on film and from what I know he was only injured once, before his freshman year. He redshirted, then had 2 big years without any known injuries.


In terms of Harris, yes, he has been. He's been stunted because we want to force Ogletree the ball for some reason, but he's played well at outside and inside WR. He's a Davone Bess clone. Not anything you'd say you were excited about as a #2 guy, but he can fill in for Austin or Dez really well and he's still getting better also. Had some blow up pre-seasons, made some huge catches for us this year, and lately he seems to be growing into that role. Romo also loves Beasley, Amendola type who is just so hard to cover in the slot and always open.


It's not the player taken there at all, just more needs. I'd throw a fit if we drafted a WR in the first 3-4 rounds and didn't really have a place to put him, when Guard, Center, NT, Safety, and even more importantly RB is such a huge need.


Felix is walking, and there is nothing else there so keep RB in mind for Dallas. We can't go into 2012 banking on Demarco being healthy, so a Ray Graham in the 4th is an option or even going with a guy in the 3rd would be huge. NT looks wide open, both safety spots could use starters. While Harris isn't a guy I expect to develop into a future starter opposite Dez or anything, as a #3 most team would be happy with that and I can't bump the need up any higher until Austin starts to lose a step or 2. Though we may go bpa and I can't fault it, because we did put a bid in on Josh Gordon, but we have been going the UDFA route on WR's so often it'd be hard to see us go with a drafted guy before round 5 with so many immediate needs.

The thing about Dez is, one more incident and Jerry could let him go. He might try to leverage the position based on that possibility. Course, at the same time, that might mean a guy like Da'Rick is off his board.

On Bernard. Looked like a 2nd or 3rd round guy to me. Then I thought I read he hurt his other knee in HS. But, in any case, he reminds me of Kendall Hunter, who also went lower.

Brown Leader
12-19-2012, 02:55 PM
Re: St. Louis

Can't say I like this draft at all. Wormack is a solid pick, but to follow it up with a gadget player and another guard??? First, we have Chris Givens who is a burner. Second, Pead and Richardson are both speed backs so I don't see how a Sproles-like player fits in with the Rams.

If we took Chance in the 1st round, that would give us two solid Guards with Dahl. We need a stud LT more than anything. You're hitting the areas of greatest need, but just getting the players wrong.

Good points. I didn't consider Pead in the mix. But as a WR-Schottenheimer is doing such a good job of getting the ball to quick footed types like Amendola and Givens-Austin is probably quicker then either. Also I think gadget player is undervaluing Austin. With Thomas, he projects to OG or LT.

regoob2
12-19-2012, 03:36 PM
No LT!? (10)
That would be a pretty crazy draft by us. We couldn't pass on Lewan.

Abaddon
12-20-2012, 12:08 AM
3. Oakland Raiders – Damontre Moore* /DE/ Texas A&M:
I thought Moore would have a strong season but he looks better then I envisioned. Huge fan now. They moved him to DE after playing as a stand up OLB last year and he's dominating. He's everything you hope Mingo can be. NFL comp. Willie McGinest

Do want.

3. Oakland Raiders – Shane Skov /LB/ Stanford:
Don't often gloat, but I was one of the few that thought Ro McClain was grossly overrated. Skov's the new man in the middle.

Not bad. But if DeAndre Hopkins actually fell this far, we'd have to take him. DHB may not make the 53 next year as McKenzie brings in more of his type of player. WR is very much an unsettled position in Oakland.

Could also see a RT going here.

nobodyinparticular
12-20-2012, 12:57 AM
Do want.



Not bad. But if DeAndre Hopkins actually fell this far, we'd have to take him. DHB may not make the 53 next year as McKenzie brings in more of his type of player. WR is very much an unsettled position in Oakland.

Could also see a RT going here.

Once again, I agree. Or a DT if one slides.

Brown Leader
12-20-2012, 11:13 AM
Do want.



Not bad. But if DeAndre Hopkins actually fell this far, we'd have to take him. DHB may not make the 53 next year as McKenzie brings in more of his type of player. WR is very much an unsettled position in Oakland.

Could also see a RT going here.
Once again, I agree. Or a DT if one slides.
I guess it depends on how high you rank Hopkins vs Skov but I like Streater and Criner. Then with Moore and Ford-just felt ILB was a bigger hole to fill.

Brown Leader
12-20-2012, 11:20 AM
I'm assuming since you have the Jets reaching all 3 rounds that Tannenbaum is still the GM? Awful Jets draft. Bray is a nutcase that has a strong arm with mechanical flaws, he isn't a 1st rounder at this point. In a class loaded at interior linemen, I highly doubt Winters goes that early, I can think of so many guys I'd rather have there. Jenkins should probably go around where Ronnell Lewis went last year, day 3.

Is Bray a first rounder? If he nails the interviews, no doubt. I think I'd feel better about him then Glennon. I only caught a glimpse or so of Winters but I was impressed. On Jenkins, that's funny because I loved Ronnell Lewis last year. But that's possibly a bargain there-I guess even 100% healthy your not a fan of his.

nobodyinparticular
12-20-2012, 01:15 PM
I guess it depends on how high you rank Hopkins vs Skov but I like Streater and Criner. Then with Moore and Ford-just felt ILB was a bigger hole to fill.

Yeah. I get you. I think with McClain on the outs an ILB really makes sense. Especially from Stanford if Tarver sticks around.

It's just that the problem for a long time has been that the Raiders have a lot of "nice receivers" but they just don't have that alpha dog right now. That problem will continue until they get a special player.

There are just too many first tier holes to fill. Throw a dart at a wall and you are going to hit a player that fills a need. Your guess is as good as mine as to which players McKenzie chooses in the draft to fill those needs. Any position will have solid reasoning.

CJSchneider
12-20-2012, 01:40 PM
meh about the first rounder with better guys on the board, flat out hate the saints third rounder given the board

Are you saying you would prefer Wagner? Not that I disagree, I am just curious.

wicket
12-20-2012, 01:44 PM
Are you saying you would prefer Wagner? Not that I disagree, I am just curious.

as an OT yes, but one of the georgia safeties, jenkins, fauria and rogers would all be better picks than long as well

Abaddon
12-20-2012, 06:50 PM
I guess it depends on how high you rank Hopkins vs Skov but I like Streater and Criner. Then with Moore and Ford-just felt ILB was a bigger hole to fill.

Hard to call at this point. With the idea that we could flip to a 3-4 next year (McKenzie's defensive scheme of scouting expertise, Tarver (if retained) was a LB coach for the 9ers a couple years ago, etc), and the hope that Phillip Wheeler is retained, we could project he and Burris as the ILBs. Some think they want to use Burris as a rush LB, but I haven't seen anything from him this year to indicate that's his ideal position.

I like Streater and Moore myself, in spite of Moore's sophomore slump. Ford's durability remains a huge concern, though, and we still really don't know what we have in Criner. I'm hopeful he develops into the big possession/red zone guy we need, but that's yet TBD. WR certainly isn't my first choice of positions to address in Rd3. But, McKenzie is said to be a WR fanatic (Seems odd since he's a former LB), and you see the rate that the Packers bring in new pass catchers. Hopkins, at least at this stage, seems like a guy who'd represent a value pick there.

11. New Orleans Saints - Kyle Long /OT/ Oregon:
Bushrod?

Last account I had, Bushrod was entrenched as the starter in NOLA. Hell, Kyle Long to Oakland would be an option if not for that DUI, and I really hope that doesn't matter. I sometimes worry that McKenzie wants to draft players based on church affiliation. :facepalm:

Fauria would be interesting, though I really have no idea where his value will end up being. TEs fool me by a couple rounds every year.

Abaddon
12-20-2012, 06:50 PM
Yeah. I get you. I think with McClain on the outs an ILB really makes sense. Especially from Stanford if Tarver sticks around.

It's just that the problem for a long time has been that the Raiders have a lot of "nice receivers" but they just don't have that alpha dog right now. That problem will continue until they get a special player.

There are just too many first tier holes to fill. Throw a dart at a wall and you are going to hit a player that fills a need. Your guess is as good as mine as to which players McKenzie chooses in the draft to fill those needs. Any position will have solid reasoning.

And also this.

Thecollegedropout
12-20-2012, 11:16 PM
Is Bray a first rounder? If he nails the interviews, no doubt. I think I'd feel better about him then Glennon. I only caught a glimpse or so of Winters but I was impressed. On Jenkins, that's funny because I loved Ronnell Lewis last year. But that's possibly a bargain there-I guess even 100% healthy your not a fan of his.
Yeah but Bray at 16 though? And the Ryan Mallett comparison doesn't really have Jets fans salivating either since Mallett dropped to the 3rd round correct 2 drafts ago? Its just not the pick. Bray and the NY Media may very well not work out.

I am fine with your 2nd and 3rd round pick though I am hesitant on Jenkins a bit. Give the Jets Eric Reid over Bray......Laron Landry and Y. Bell are FAs to be and if one or two leave, we are screwed at the safety spot.

Hermstheman83
12-20-2012, 11:24 PM
I think Javi Arenas has done pretty well at the number 2 CB position. Not that it doesn't need an upgrade. I'm assuming with Dorsey leaving for FA the need for a true 34 DE would be a bigger need. Unless we move Poe to DE(which I think he'd be awesome there) and draft a big ol' hog molly to man the one gap position. I wouldn't be angry if we took a CB in round 3 either way..just a thought.

thebow305
12-21-2012, 12:33 AM
Not my favorite Miami draft, but not terrible either. Eifert is WAAAAAAYYYY too high in the top 15.

Brown Leader
12-21-2012, 12:42 AM
Yeah but Bray at 16 though? And the Ryan Mallett comparison doesn't really have Jets fans salivating either since Mallett dropped to the 3rd round correct 2 drafts ago? Its just not the pick. Bray and the NY Media may very well not work out.

I am fine with your 2nd and 3rd round pick though I am hesitant on Jenkins a bit. Give the Jets Eric Reid over Bray......Laron Landry and Y. Bell are FAs to be and if one or two leave, we are screwed at the safety spot.

But....who's the QB?

Poz51
12-21-2012, 10:06 AM
9. Buffalo Bills - Geno Smith /QB/ West Virginia
Smith's confidence has taken a major hit during WVU's losing skid. He looks rattled and it's affected his accuracy and decision making. Still, his physical skills and arm talent are solid, and he generally shows great poise and always top notch work ethic. NFL comp. Andy Dalton

13. Buffalo Bills – Sam Montgomery* /DE/ LSU:
Another guy I'm not really sold on but it's hard to tell with all the talent on LSU. Certainly took a hit to his stock after A&M. NFL comp. (taller) Brandon Graham

14. Minnesota Vikings – Khassem Greene /OLB/ Rutgers:
Former safety who's become a dominant defender and arguably the top OLB in the draft.

25. Baltimore Ravens – Robert Woods* /WR/ USC:
Woods is now the forgotten guy with Lee breaking out. What I like most is his toughness. NFL comp. Santonio Holmes

12. Buffalo Bills – Gavin Escobar* /TE/ San Diego St
Bills have been missing on an athletic TE since forever. NFL Comp. Jason Witten

16. New York Jets - Kyle Van Noy* /OLB/ BYU:
Monster bowl game should have him declaring.
*previous Brandon Jenkins

18. Pittsburgh Steelers – Andrew Jackson*/LB/Western Kentucky:
Small school destroyer looks like he could fit.

22. Miami Dolphins (CHI) – Da'Rick Rogers* /WR/ Tenn. Tech:
Should probably stay another year but circumstances might have him declaring. NFL Comp. Kenny Britt
*previous: Emory Blake

32. Denver Broncos - Quinton Patton /WR/ Louisiana Tech:
Generating some late season buzz and will have to prove himself senior week. NFL Comp. Cecil Shorts

1st Round - Smith in the first appears ideal, especially if Gailey stays. Makes sense, although your commentary on him is pretty much the reason I dont like him in the first at all. If he gets rattled in college, what happens when the pressure is on in the NFL? IMO his game does not translate well to the NFL in this regard, I am doing my "2nd take" on him next week hopefully. Which leads me to this...
Just did my "2nd take" on Ryan Nassib, and was extremely impressed (offense looks alot like New Orleans...). So much that I moved him ahead of Wilson for my #1 QB (its close), still have to do the same for Glennon, Smith and Barkley, but after watching Nassib against N.Western, USC, Rutgers, Louisville and Mizzu was wowed, what are your thoughts on him?
2nd Round - Montgomery to me is over rated, the A & M game was very telling, he certainly has a high motor, and is a 110% effort guy, who plays with alot of intensity and passion, with some nice physical abilities and long arms. No real swim or spin move, bull rush is voided by those with any strength, tends to latch on, and is not a "hands" guy, nor overly athletic. Maybe with some development in the strength department, a solid base end who makes a play here and there, not a first rounder IMO, and I have him as a second round guy now, and falling. Actually reminds me of Chris Kelsey... BTW, I am a LSU fan, who loves his leadership and tenacity. The LB play in Buffalo has been atrocious this year, maybe worst in the league... Barnett is showing his age, Sheppard... IDK, a shell of his former self at LSU, Bradham is like watching an rookie, mostly bad, some good, maybe there is hope for him. I am a huge Andrew Jackson guy, and agree that Greene could be the best in the draft, and would take either one of them over Montgomery right now, WR is a big need and Woods would warrant consideration as well IMO.
3rd Round - Tried to watch Escobar last night, but despite his one nice catch was invisible due to Van Noy destroying the Aztecs LG who was playing RT...
I do however not see TE as a top level priority despite my agreance with your assessment of their TE situation. QB, LB, maybe LB again (depending on FA), and WR are clearly thier 3-4 biggest needs, maybe SS fits in their, and depending on Levitre and Byrd resigning G and FS as well before TE.
Depending on if they trade up, I can not see them coming out of the first 3 rounds w/out a QB/LB pairing at least, QB/LB/LB or QB/WR/LB would make sense, as much as their front was ripped apart nationally this year on D, the linebacking core was horrible and worse, aside from the obvious need at QB (which has been obvious for years), Stevie Johnson would benefit greatly from some help across from him in addition to a QB offensively.
Anyway, a pleasure as always, and lookforward to your response about Nassib :)

Brown Leader
12-21-2012, 01:03 PM
1st Round - Smith in the first appears ideal, especially if Gailey stays. Makes sense, although your commentary on him is pretty much the reason I dont like him in the first at all. If he gets rattled in college, what happens when the pressure is on in the NFL? IMO his game does not translate well to the NFL in this regard, I am doing my "2nd take" on him next week hopefully. Which leads me to this...
I think Geno is going to really respond to good coaching and a sound system. Smith's got everything from a skill set perspective and the intangibles you're looking for. And Gailey's a good coach. If he ends up on a team like the Raiders or Jets, then I'd worry about him.

Just did my "2nd take" on Ryan Nassib, and was extremely impressed (offense looks alot like New Orleans...). So much that I moved him ahead of Wilson for my #1 QB (its close), still have to do the same for Glennon, Smith and Barkley, but after watching Nassib against N.Western, USC, Rutgers, Louisville and Mizzu was wowed, what are your thoughts on him?
I've watched them against Rutgers, Pitt and UConn and I thought I saw mostly a pure zone read. And I'm seeeing more Brian Hoyer in Nassib then anything else, I must say. Actually, he reminds me a little of a bigger Fitzpatrick, but I think that would be giving him too much praise because Fitz is a solid to marginal starter and I don't even see that with Nassib-at least at the start of a pro career. I hate watching the zone read so maby I'm being critical but his arm looks anything but NFL caliber. I feel like it's in that Brady Quinn territory.

2nd Round - Montgomery to me is over rated, the A & M game was very telling, he certainly has a high motor, and is a 110% effort guy, who plays with alot of intensity and passion, with some nice physical abilities and long arms. No real swim or spin move, bull rush is voided by those with any strength, tends to latch on, and is not a "hands" guy, nor overly athletic. Maybe with some development in the strength department, a solid base end who makes a play here and there, not a first rounder IMO, and I have him as a second round guy now, and falling. Actually reminds me of Chris Kelsey... BTW, I am a LSU fan, who loves his leadership and tenacity. The LB play in Buffalo has been atrocious this year, maybe worst in the league... Barnett is showing his age, Sheppard... IDK, a shell of his former self at LSU, Bradham is like watching an rookie, mostly bad, some good, maybe there is hope for him. I am a huge Andrew Jackson guy, and agree that Greene could be the best in the draft, and would take either one of them over Montgomery right now, WR is a big need and Woods would warrant consideration as well IMO.

Yea, I'm not high at all on Montgomery but was afraid to drop him too far. But at the same time I'm not overly high on Greene. If Art Brown tests well he'll rise, same with Jackson. A sleeper I like a lot is DeAundre Brown of Tulsa. I don't expect he'll be a high pick but he'll end up a steal in the mid rounds.

3rd Round - Tried to watch Escobar last night, but despite his one nice catch was invisible due to Van Noy destroying the Aztecs LG who was playing RT...
I do however not see TE as a top level priority despite my agreance with your assessment of their TE situation. QB, LB, maybe LB again (depending on FA), and WR are clearly thier 3-4 biggest needs, maybe SS fits in their, and depending on Levitre and Byrd resigning G and FS as well before TE.
Depending on if they trade up, I can not see them coming out of the first 3 rounds w/out a QB/LB pairing at least, QB/LB/LB or QB/WR/LB would make sense, as much as their front was ripped apart nationally this year on D, the linebacking core was horrible and worse, aside from the obvious need at QB (which has been obvious for years), Stevie Johnson would benefit greatly from some help across from him in addition to a QB offensively.
Anyway, a pleasure as always, and lookforward to your response about Nassib :)

Escobar is pretty talented though. He blocks but has impressive athletic ability for that size-reminds of Witten. If he declares, it's not going to surprise me if he gets moved up to high 2nd round. It's just not the greatest draft for LBs in general outside of Te'o. A move up for him by the Bills works. Guess it depends on how they'll evaluate the QBs. Manuel/ Thomas, even Dysert would make a nice project for Gailey, if he can afford to wait for them to develop.

eliasrapp98
12-21-2012, 04:02 PM
A QB with a 5th round value in round 1? The Eagles aren't buffoons... Are you crazy though? Worst Eagle's mock EVER...

GatorsBullsFan
12-21-2012, 04:07 PM
I don't like Jaguars draft...Im not a fan of Werner and Im not a fan of any of the QBs in this draft Manuel will probably be a 3rd or 4th rounder anyway

Thecollegedropout
12-22-2012, 01:38 AM
But....who's the QB?
I don't rule out NYJ taking a QB in another round or if they can land Mike Vick(Which I'd hate but the Jets would like).

I mean honestly if McElroy shows anything....why take a QB with like a 2nd/3rd round grade in Bray when you have McElroy who may offer the same? I don't even think McElroy(Or Bray) can be full time starters but I'd rather have McElroy as that QB propsect than Bray if it means Bray costs us a 1st round pick.

Rex Ryan's job is on the line...I doubt he and Mr T.(If brought back) are going to have their jobs rely on a fresh rookie....especially one who isn't even a standout of his draft class.

Brown Leader
12-22-2012, 12:47 PM
I don't like Jaguars draft...Im not a fan of Werner and Im not a fan of any of the QBs in this draft Manuel will probably be a 3rd or 4th rounder anyway

Not a fan of Werner? Bist du verrόckt!

Brown Leader
12-22-2012, 01:20 PM
I don't rule out NYJ taking a QB in another round or if they can land Mike Vick(Which I'd hate but the Jets would like).

I mean honestly if McElroy shows anything....why take a QB with like a 2nd/3rd round grade in Bray when you have McElroy who may offer the same? I don't even think McElroy(Or Bray) can be full time starters but I'd rather have McElroy as that QB propsect than Bray if it means Bray costs us a 1st round pick.

Rex Ryan's job is on the line...I doubt he and Mr T.(If brought back) are going to have their jobs rely on a fresh rookie....especially one who isn't even a standout of his draft class.

Bray has more arm talent then anyone coming out outside of Glennon. Imo, it's the immaturity question that lowers his stock, that's about it. He's a great fit for Ryan and NYC. He's got that, I don't give a #$$$ attitude. About the only thing that will save Rex's job is a new blue chip franchise QB. It's early but start getting comfortable with him in these colors...

http://i.ytimg.com/vi/hsKG55neHto/0.jpg

Poz51
12-23-2012, 04:15 PM
I think Geno is going to really respond to good coaching and a sound system. Smith's got everything from a skill set perspective and the intangibles you're looking for. And Gailey's a good coach. If he ends up on a team like the Raiders or Jets, then I'd worry about him.

Smiths physical skill set is very good, I am having a hard time getting past the second half of the season when the schedule got respectable somewhat in terms of the defenses they played. i was on the anti-Geno fence before, now am just on the fence, the second half of his season left something to be desired for me. I do like your "respond to good coaching and a sound system" theory, makes sense. I think I will use that in the future as my own ;)

I've watched them against Rutgers, Pitt and UConn and I thought I saw mostly a pure zone read. And I'm seeeing more Brian Hoyer in Nassib then anything else, I must say. Actually, he reminds me a little of a bigger Fitzpatrick, but I think that would be giving him too much praise because Fitz is a solid to marginal starter and I don't even see that with Nassib-at least at the start of a pro career. I hate watching the zone read so maby I'm being critical but his arm looks anything but NFL caliber. I feel like it's in that Brady Quinn territory.

I respectfully disagree with most of this in terms of Nassib. Do you mean zone read as in the offensive system? What I saw was New Orleans offense, multiple formations, pro-style passing system. I saw no zone read, so I went into "read up" on mode, and the first thing I read was far and away them most telling
(http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootball/index.ssf/2012/11/syracuse_football_quarterback_12.html), which reinforces what I saw. Doug Marrone was the NO offensive coordinator before going to SU. They installed the offense two weeks before the opener, and asked Nassib to learn it on "the fly", and from what I have seen, he has gotten better every week. I see no Hoyer in Nassib, although I do see alot of the Fitzpatrick gunsliger/hard nosed style. As for his arm, I think its as strong, if not the strongest in this class. He had about 5 drops a game, which I attributed to his quick release and the ball getting on the receivers so quickly that they could not handle it. He makes his decisions and gets the ball out in a hurry, I see a rifle for an arm, and no Brady Quinn arm strength at all. IMO you are dead wrong on Nassib. He's run a pro style offense all season that he is just learning, improved as the season has progresed and has a quick, compact delivery. Some food for thought I hope at the least.

Yea, I'm not high at all on Montgomery but was afraid to drop him too far. But at the same time I'm not overly high on Greene. If Art Brown tests well he'll rise, same with Jackson. A sleeper I like a lot is DeAundre Brown of Tulsa. I don't expect he'll be a high pick but he'll end up a steal in the mid rounds.

I dont blame you at all for your feeling on Montgomery, I have actually seeing him going up on several sites, and dont get it. I have in the first right now on necessity and need, even though I am getting closer to 3rd round value wise. I like Greene the more I see of him myself, but have not gotten in depth at all with the LB's yet. I agree with you on Brown, although I am having a hard time so far judging his actual size, I see some Derrick Brooks to his game, and see him potentially as a big riser myself, I love Jackson and expect him to rise as well.

Escobar is pretty talented though. He blocks but has impressive athletic ability for that size-reminds of Witten. If he declares, it's not going to surprise me if he gets moved up to high 2nd round. It's just not the greatest draft for LBs in general outside of Te'o. A move up for him by the Bills works. Guess it depends on how they'll evaluate the QBs. Manuel/ Thomas, even Dysert would make a nice project for Gailey, if he can afford to wait for them to develop.

Ill look more into Escobar, he sounds intriguing. I agree with your position on LB's in general, although I do think there are some nice 2nd round prospects, but after that I think it gets slim. Right now, it looks like they wound trade up for a LB in the first, but a QB seems with in the realm reality. At this point, IMO if Gailey stays then he needs an impact guy, time is not on his side.

Brown Leader
12-24-2012, 08:54 AM
I respectfully disagree with most of this in terms of Nassib. Do you mean zone read as in the offensive system? What I saw was New Orleans offense, multiple formations, pro-style passing system. I saw no zone read, so I went into "read up" on mode, and the first thing I read was far and away them most telling
(http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootba...rback_12.html), which reinforces what I saw. Doug Marrone was the NO offensive coordinator before going to SU. They installed the offense two weeks before the opener, and asked Nassib to learn it on "the fly", and from what I have seen, he has gotten better every week. I see no Hoyer in Nassib, although I do see alot of the Fitzpatrick gunsliger/hard nosed style. As for his arm, I think its as strong, if not the strongest in this class. He had about 5 drops a game, which I attributed to his quick release and the ball getting on the receivers so quickly that they could not handle it. He makes his decisions and gets the ball out in a hurry, I see a rifle for an arm, and no Brady Quinn arm strength at all. IMO you are dead wrong on Nassib. He's run a pro style offense all season that he is just learning, improved as the season has progresed and has a quick, compact delivery. Some food for thought I hope at the least.


Thanks for setting me straight poz. I watched strictly passing cut ups of Rutgers, Mizzou, USC, and Louisville and got a much clearer read on him. Much better then grueling through full games. They only sprinkle in the zone read. If I'm not already disqualified to have a take on him I can't help but see Andy Dalton now. Difference being Nassib has a year more of experience in the pro style coming into the league. I can see why you rate him up there, especially since there's hardly any difference between him and a top 15 pick like Christian Ponder. But on arm strength... Brady Quinn territory was selling him short but I still can't say I see a rifle. The issue is, like Ponder, he strikes me as that guy you're always looking to upgrade from. Even with Dalton's success, he gets a lot of that. It's the big armed, mobile types that are blowing up right now. And Nassib's not quite as athletic as even Ponder or Dalton. But I can see where your coming from-especially after watching him vs Mizzou. I'm going to move him way up the board now.

vidae
12-24-2012, 11:51 AM
Great KC draft, but I'd still rather have almost any other WR than Cobi. I like Cobi, but not as a high second round pick.

The other rounds are pretty perfect hits on our needs.

jsagan77
12-25-2012, 01:56 PM
I like the skins draft but will Mathieu drop further?

Robcards
12-25-2012, 04:34 PM
I like the skins draft but will Mathieu drop further?

I'd be shocked if Mathieu is taken before day 3, corners have to cover in the NFL, it's hard to justify taking a special teamer/return man/possible dimeback before then without even considering his character issues.

Taber21
12-26-2012, 03:57 PM
What exactly is Minnesota getting back in that trade? Also,OLB is really not a need unless they decided to move Henderson or Greenway, or one of them left.

Brown Leader
12-27-2012, 12:12 PM
What exactly is Minnesota getting back in that trade? Also,OLB is really not a need unless they decided to move Henderson or Greenway, or one of them left.

At least a 14' 2nd round pick. Henderson's up for FA. Do you think he'll be given a long term contract?

gouldo
12-30-2012, 02:03 AM
Miami's draft.....

Eifert...outside of a fast WR, this is the biggest need on offence. He is the best available, and a number of teams will need a TE who will pick below us, so i can see someone trading up. If he is as good as Graham as predicted, then 100% on with this pick.

2nd rounders would/should be if the draft falls this way, Sam Montgomery the DE and WR Stedman Bailey.

In the 3rd would be Baccari Rambo. that would be a hell of a draft for Miami

Brown Leader
12-31-2012, 09:38 AM
Miami's draft.....

Eifert...outside of a fast WR, this is the biggest need on offence. He is the best available, and a number of teams will need a TE who will pick below us, so i can see someone trading up. If he is as good as Graham as predicted, then 100% on with this pick.

2nd rounders would/should be if the draft falls this way, Sam Montgomery the DE and WR Stedman Bailey.

In the 3rd would be Baccari Rambo. that would be a hell of a draft for Miami

I do really like Bailey and think he should go higher but I don't think he's really an outside "fast WR." His game is more like Bess'. I'm surprised you want a DE? Or maby you just like Montgomery. I think Wake, Odrick & Vernon is a pretty solid group and RT looks like a giant hole.

DiG
12-31-2012, 09:42 AM
I'm not crazy about Jefferson at this point but the position is obvious...I'm ok with rolling the dice on Badger in the third if coaches felt good about it. Although it seems unlikely given this staff that they'd make that move to be honest.

CJSchneider
12-31-2012, 10:46 AM
OK, I have no problem with NO dropping 9 spots in the first round and still being able to draft Richardson, but what do you have us getting in return? It would at least yield us Indy's 3rd round pick.

GatorsBullsFan
12-31-2012, 10:51 AM
Horrible Draft for the Jags Werner isn't a top 5 guy to me

eliasrapp98
12-31-2012, 03:41 PM
Besides Joeckel I love it for Philly. I'd take Geno at #4.

Brown Leader
01-02-2013, 08:09 PM
OK, I have no problem with NO dropping 9 spots in the first round and still being able to draft Richardson, but what do you have us getting in return? It would at least yield us Indy's 3rd round pick.

Cancelled that last update but I still have them trading down, now with Chicago for a 4th and a 14' 3rd rounder. :banana?

SickwithIt1010
01-02-2013, 08:13 PM
I dont mind that at all my man. Good work

Poz51
01-03-2013, 01:10 PM
Thanks for setting me straight poz. I watched strictly passing cut ups of Rutgers, Mizzou, USC, and Louisville and got a much clearer read on him. Much better then grueling through full games. They only sprinkle in the zone read. If I'm not already disqualified to have a take on him I can't help but see Andy Dalton now. Difference being Nassib has a year more of experience in the pro style coming into the league. I can see why you rate him up there, especially since there's hardly any difference between him and a top 15 pick like Christian Ponder. But on arm strength... Brady Quinn territory was selling him short but I still can't say I see a rifle. The issue is, like Ponder, he strikes me as that guy you're always looking to upgrade from. Even with Dalton's success, he gets a lot of that. It's the big armed, mobile types that are blowing up right now. And Nassib's not quite as athletic as even Ponder or Dalton. But I can see where your coming from-especially after watching him vs Mizzou. I'm going to move him way up the board now.

Im starting to only watch clips lately as I dont have time for entire games anymore myself. The clips of the Mizzu and USC games were very telling for me on my 2nd take. I watched some of them again myself, and you are right, they sprinkle in some zone read looks in thier running game (I could see why you would say that for sure), but I dont recall seeing Nassib run... I thought I saw something similar to it with Luck now in Indy, I am not sure on this, but does it seem almost like a fake? I noticed that in the bowl game, Nassib looks like he could run with it, and it looks like ZR, but he does not run... Hmm... I will have to look back and see if he runs.
As for getting you straight... Just wanted you to take another look, I have heard some interesting opinions on Nassib, most close minded, but I do appreciate your willingness to look again, and be open minded. Which is why I enjoy talking to you. I would not say disqualified. I see some Dalton in his descision making for sure, once he knows where he is going with it, the ball is gone, and I think he is very similar intelligence wise. Arm strength is a difference I can agree to disagree on, but will maintain my stance that it is as strong as anyone in the class. Im not saying he's John Elway, but when he cranks it up, he's in the ball park. I would agree that he is not as athletic as Ponder, personally I would put him above Dalton, but what I see is a guy who moves around in and around the pocket itself very well. I really like his awareness, he is not a statue back there like Glennon, now he's not Cam Newton running for 1sts either. He is however, very fluid and natural in his movement, he keeps his head up, and seems to have very good peripheral vision, and throws well on the move, and when given time will set his feet and deliver the ball.
I think he has the most development potential of any of the QB's in this class, and that he is strong armed and mobile enough to fit in the league. He was under pressure the entire year, particularly in his face, and off the right side, and handled it very well. He has some mechanical issues with touch passes, and still needs to develop in several categories, but his progression from year to year, and within the course of this season, that I think it continues as he focuses on football alone. I will be very interested to watch him and the opinions of him change as the pre-draft processes go on.

CJSchneider
01-03-2013, 01:17 PM
Cancelled that last update but I still have them tn we had better make that 4th rounrading down, now with Chicago for a 4th and a 14' 3rd rounder. :banana?

Then we had better make that 4th rounder a DE.

OSUGiants17
01-03-2013, 05:41 PM
Banks, Greene, Carradine would be a much better Giants draft there. Better value and need

HEISMANHERSCHEL
01-03-2013, 07:35 PM
except for dallas taking a rb in the third, I think it is solid for dallas and houston.

Brown Leader
01-09-2013, 11:29 AM
Im starting to only watch clips lately as I dont have time for entire games anymore myself. The clips of the Mizzu and USC games were very telling for me on my 2nd take. I watched some of them again myself, and you are right, they sprinkle in some zone read looks in thier running game (I could see why you would say that for sure), but I dont recall seeing Nassib run... I thought I saw something similar to it with Luck now in Indy, I am not sure on this, but does it seem almost like a fake? I noticed that in the bowl game, Nassib looks like he could run with it, and it looks like ZR, but he does not run... Hmm... I will have to look back and see if he runs.
As for getting you straight... Just wanted you to take another look, I have heard some interesting opinions on Nassib, most close minded, but I do appreciate your willingness to look again, and be open minded. Which is why I enjoy talking to you. I would not say disqualified. I see some Dalton in his descision making for sure, once he knows where he is going with it, the ball is gone, and I think he is very similar intelligence wise. Arm strength is a difference I can agree to disagree on, but will maintain my stance that it is as strong as anyone in the class. Im not saying he's John Elway, but when he cranks it up, he's in the ball park. I would agree that he is not as athletic as Ponder, personally I would put him above Dalton, but what I see is a guy who moves around in and around the pocket itself very well. I really like his awareness, he is not a statue back there like Glennon, now he's not Cam Newton running for 1sts either. He is however, very fluid and natural in his movement, he keeps his head up, and seems to have very good peripheral vision, and throws well on the move, and when given time will set his feet and deliver the ball.
I think he has the most development potential of any of the QB's in this class, and that he is strong armed and mobile enough to fit in the league. He was under pressure the entire year, particularly in his face, and off the right side, and handled it very well. He has some mechanical issues with touch passes, and still needs to develop in several categories, but his progression from year to year, and within the course of this season, that I think it continues as he focuses on football alone. I will be very interested to watch him and the opinions of him change as the pre-draft processes go on.
Admit it Poz, you work in the Bills FO. :wave: No matter how they try to redirect, Nassib now has got to be the target.

Poz51
01-10-2013, 11:22 AM
Admit it Poz, you work in the Bills FO. :wave: No matter how they try to redirect, Nassib now has got to be the target.

LOL, you can call me Mr. Whaley if you woulde like.... I wish I got paid to this. :waiting:
It certainly makes sense, especially along the Tannehill/Sherman combo hire/pick last year lines. I also am starting to think that if Locker and Ponder (guys with 2nd round type grades) can go in the 8-12 range, I see no reason why several of the guys from this class such as Wilson, Smith, Nassib, Barkley and even Glennon cant IMO. Although I do think QB needy teams are better off taking value in the first and then trading up back into the first...

Iamcanadian
01-10-2013, 03:33 PM
Wilson isn't currently ranked in the top 25 never mind #1 overall. Reid just said, he doesn't think there is a top 5 QB in this draft and he won't reach for one just to draft a QB, he take his chances at QB in FA or draft one in round 2, a clear indication that QB's are currently way down most team's draft boards.

Brown Leader
01-11-2013, 07:10 AM
Wilson isn't currently ranked in the top 25 never mind #1 overall. Reid just said, he doesn't think there is a top 5 QB in this draft and he won't reach for one just to draft a QB, he take his chances at QB in FA or draft one in round 2, a clear indication that QB's are currently way down most team's draft boards.

"The most important thing is that it's the right pick," Reid said on Pro Football Talk Live. "You can't get caught up in saying you have to have a quarterback. You do that, and it's not the right guy, that's a problem. That's a real problem. That sets you back. Whoever you take at that spot, it better be the right guy. It doesn't matter the position."

Tyler Wilson (http://www.arrowheadpride.com/2013/1/9/3852120/tyler-wilson-chiefs-nfl-draft-pick-2013) is the right guy.

Rosebud
01-12-2013, 12:27 PM
I don't think Warford lasts that long, but if he does seeing the giants pass on him in the third would be a real kick in the balls.

SickwithIt1010
01-12-2013, 04:30 PM
Like the Eagles mock....but no way I see Woods falling to the 3rd. He is a 1st round talent...not his fault that Lee is hogging all the balls.