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Matthew Jones
12-26-2012, 10:26 AM
Last attempt before the end of the regular season! Let me know what you think.

December 26th Mock Draft

1. Kansas City Chiefs - QB Geno Smith, West Virginia

2. Jacksonville Jaguars - DT Star Lotulelei, Utah

3. Oakland Raiders - LB Jarvis Jones, Georgia*

4. Philadelphia Eagles - OT Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M*

5. Detroit Lions - DE Bjoern Werner, Florida St.*

6. Buffalo Bills - CB Dee Milliner, Alabama*

7. Cleveland Browns - DE Damontre Moore, Texas A&M*

8. Tennessee Titans - LB Manti Te'o, Notre Dame

9. Arizona Cardinals - QB Matt Barkley, Southern California

10. San Diego Chargers - NT Johnathan Hankins, Ohio St.*

11. Tampa Bay Buccaneers - CB Johnthan Banks, MIssissippi St.

12. New York Jets - DE Barkevious Mingo, Louisiana St.*

13. Carolina Panthers - OT Taylor Lewan, Michigan*

14. Pittsburgh Steelers - DT John Jenkins, Georgia

15. Miami Dolphins - OG Chance Warmack, Alabama

16. New Orleans Saints - DE Sam Montgomery, Louisiana St.*

17. St. Louis Rams - OT Jake Matthews, Texas A&M*

18. Dallas Cowboys - FS Eric Reid, Louisiana St.*

19. New York Giants - DE Ezekiel Ansah, Brigham Young

20. Chicago Bears - OT Eric Fisher, Central Michigan

21. Cincinnati Bengals - DE Alex Okafor, Texas

22. St. Louis Rams (from Redskins) - WR Keenan Allen, California*

23. Minnesota Vikings - DT Sheldon Richardson, Missouri*

24. Indianapolis Colts - OG Jonathan Cooper, North Carolina

25. Baltimore Ravens - DE Dion Jordan, Oregon

26. Seattle Seahawks - WR Tavon Austin, West Virginia

27. San Francisco 49ers - WR Terrence Williams, Baylor

28. Green Bay Packers - TE Tyler Eifert, Notre Dame*

29. New England Patriots - CB Xavier Rhodes, Florida St.*

30. Denver Broncos - DT Sharrif Floyd, Florida*

31. Houston Texans - WR Robert Woods, Southern California*

32. Atlanta Falcons - DT Kawann Short, Purdue

killxswitch
12-26-2012, 10:44 AM
I'd take Dion Jordan over Cooper for the Colts. Need is about the same and Jordan is higher value. I don't trust Cooper as a starting guard anyway. Not in the 1st.

Matthew Jones
12-26-2012, 11:13 AM
I'd take Dion Jordan over Cooper for the Colts. Need is about the same and Jordan is higher value. I don't trust Cooper as a starting guard anyway. Not in the 1st.

I considered Jordan, but I have Cooper with a moderately higher grade.

Cigaro
12-26-2012, 11:16 AM
Lewan would certainly fit a need, but Jenkins would be an equally good pick in that situation.

Matthew Jones
12-26-2012, 11:18 AM
Lewan would certainly fit a need, but Jenkins would be an equally good pick in that situation.

Yeah, I considered him as well, but I have Lewan as the better value.

Robcards
12-26-2012, 12:14 PM
4. Philadelphia Eagles - OT Luke Joeckel, Texas A&M*

6. Buffalo Bills - CB Dee Milliner, Alabama*

8. Tennessee Titans - LB Manti Te'o, Notre Dame

13. Carolina Panthers - OT Taylor Lewan, Michigan*

4. All indications are that Peters will be back for 2013 at LT, I don't see why they would draft a LT.

6. Bills have a million needs, so relatively Stephon Gilmore and Aaron Williams are set at corner. Safety, DE, QB, and WR will all be much bigger needs. Also don't see Milliner falling to 6 as the clear cut #1 corner in a relatively weak draft class at the top.

8. Titans are set at LB. McCarthy, Zach Brown, Ayers, etc. don't see why they'd take another one so high, 8 is extremely high for LB, Te'o will have to put up Kuechly-like measurables at the combine to even come close to that.

13. Is something wrong with Jordan Gross? I thought he was one of the better LTs in the league and he's locked up for the Panthers for a few years I think.

prock
12-26-2012, 12:29 PM
I dig Richardson for the Vikes especially with the depth at WR. Wouldnt mind taking one in the first anyway though

vidae
12-26-2012, 12:32 PM
Great KC pick.

Matthew Jones
12-26-2012, 12:44 PM
4. All indications are that Peters will be back for 2013 at LT, I don't see why they would draft a LT.

6. Bills have a million needs, so relatively Stephon Gilmore and Aaron Williams are set at corner. Safety, DE, QB, and WR will all be much bigger needs. Also don't see Milliner falling to 6 as the clear cut #1 corner in a relatively weak draft class at the top.

8. Titans are set at LB. McCarthy, Zach Brown, Ayers, etc. don't see why they'd take another one so high, 8 is extremely high for LB, Te'o will have to put up Kuechly-like measurables at the combine to even come close to that.

13. Is something wrong with Jordan Gross? I thought he was one of the better LTs in the league and he's locked up for the Panthers for a few years I think.

It's possible, but Peters has suffered a few serious injuries and Herremans may be better suited at guard. I considered Milliner as well.

Aaron Williams is an abomination. I think Mark Anderson's contract may earn him another year, although I agree that they may look at other positions. I considered Tyler Wilson but determined that the value wasn't worth it.

McCarthy has had a terrible season in Tennessee. I think they would readily replace him with a stud like Te'o.

Gross has a big contract figure and may not be part of Carolina's long-term plans. They desperately need a right tackle, and Joeckel could eventually slide into the left tackle spot.

ChicagoBearsVet23
12-26-2012, 01:08 PM
Decent Bears pick although I'd prefer Jordan if Mathews and Lewan are off the board.

nobodyinparticular
12-26-2012, 02:02 PM
Jarvis Jones over Moore?

Phins827
12-26-2012, 02:07 PM
Chance Warmack? Smh

ChicagoBearsVet23
12-26-2012, 02:12 PM
Give the Phins Ansah, the Giants Fisher, and the Bears Warmack.

Robcards
12-26-2012, 03:19 PM
It's possible, but Peters has suffered a few serious injuries and Herremans may be better suited at guard. I considered Milliner as well.

Aaron Williams is an abomination. I think Mark Anderson's contract may earn him another year, although I agree that they may look at other positions. I considered Tyler Wilson but determined that the value wasn't worth it.

McCarthy has had a terrible season in Tennessee. I think they would readily replace him with a stud like Te'o.

Gross has a big contract figure and may not be part of Carolina's long-term plans. They desperately need a right tackle, and Joeckel could eventually slide into the left tackle spot.

Milliner would be a much better pick for the Eagles as it looks as though DRC and maybe even Asomugha may be gone. Boykin looks to be the only corner who's job is safe.

Aaron Williams is only in his 2nd year though, so he could improve. As open as the Bills are, if they were considering him a bust and moving on from him they would have let it be known. QB and a #1 WR will be the top priorities for them in the off-season and there is no secret about that.

If that is the case, then they'd simply move Zach Brown (who is awesome, as many of us draftniks who were big on him last year know) to the every-down mike position. LB just isn't a need for them at all, which it pretty much has to be to take one that high.

Are you just speculating about the Panthers cutting Gross or are you getting this from somewhere? Really interested to know the source on that because I haven't heard anything about that and he's signed through 2014 with an 8.7 mil cap number next year and 6.7 + 1 mil roster bonus in 2014, which seems fairly average for a starting LT, if not low.

49erNation85
12-26-2012, 03:25 PM
Would rather have a CB for sf.

CJSchneider
12-26-2012, 03:28 PM
There are a few players I would be happy to see NO take and Monty is one of them. He'd have instant local appeal and certainly fits one of our team needs.

fischbowl
12-26-2012, 03:57 PM
Sorry RoP, Milliner over T'eo for Buffalo is an abomination

Seasonticketholder
12-26-2012, 07:58 PM
For the Saints, I would prefer Dion Jordan over Sam Montgomery. I do applaud you, however, for getting the position right. I see a lot of people say DT, and I think we could stand to add one. But a DE to replace Will Smith is more pressing. Even more, we need to improve our pass rush. Adding Jordan to a line that includes the emerging Cam Jordan and the up and coming Akiem Hicks would be a smart move.

holt_bruce81
12-26-2012, 09:21 PM
Love it for the Rams.

Pat Sims 90
12-27-2012, 02:33 PM
I have a feeling the Bengals will hold off drafting a DE till later in the draft.

CJSchneider
12-27-2012, 02:53 PM
For the Saints, I would prefer Dion Jordan over Sam Montgomery. I do applaud you, however, for getting the position right. I see a lot of people say DT, and I think we could stand to add one. But a DE to replace Will Smith is more pressing. Even more, we need to improve our pass rush. Adding Jordan to a line that includes the emerging Cam Jordan and the up and coming Akiem Hicks would be a smart move.

I see Jordan being better as a 3-4 OLB. I also see DT as just as big a need as I do not see us resigning Ellis.

Cigaro
12-27-2012, 04:54 PM
Are you just speculating about the Panthers cutting Gross or are you getting this from somewhere? Really interested to know the source on that because I haven't heard anything about that and he's signed through 2014 with an 8.7 mil cap number next year and 6.7 + 1 mil roster bonus in 2014, which seems fairly average for a starting LT, if not low.

We desperately need a right tackle, and Gross is getting up in age with a big contract. Lewan would start on the right side from day one, and could be groomed to replace Gross when the time is right.

thebow305
12-27-2012, 06:30 PM
Warmack isn't a terrible pick, but if we go O-Line, I'd prefer Jake Matthews.

Robcards
12-27-2012, 06:32 PM
We desperately need a right tackle, and Gross is getting up in age with a big contract. Lewan would start on the right side from day one, and could be groomed to replace Gross when the time is right.

I suppose that makes sense. Similar to lions situation last draft, but backus is quite a bit older and pick 13 seems high for a RT, future LT. I dunno I just don't see it I feel like the panthers have bigger needs and there's better players available. That and LT always seems to be overrated every year (see Reiff and Martin last year, top 10 on big boards for most of the year until the draft)

Cigaro
12-27-2012, 06:39 PM
I suppose that makes sense. Similar to lions situation last draft, but backus is quite a bit older and pick 13 seems high for a RT, future LT. I dunno I just don't see it I feel like the panthers have bigger needs and there's better players available. That and LT always seems to be overrated every year (see Reiff and Martin last year, top 10 on big boards for most of the year until the draft)

The only bigger need would be DT, and that would certainly be debateable. The right side of our line is atrocious, and it shows in the run game and pass protection. In today's offensive league and us having a young, franchise quarterback, a number of Panthers' fans would definitely prefer we go offensive round one.

Robcards
12-27-2012, 06:42 PM
The only bigger need would be DT, and that would certainly be debateable. The right side of our line is atrocious, and it shows in the run game and pass protection. In today's offensive league and us having a young, franchise quarterback, a number of Panthers' fans would definitely prefer we go offensive round one.

I understand but RT and guard are positions that are typically easier to find later in the draft or through free agency. Secondary was a big need last year, is it solid now? I find that hard to believe as all they added was josh Norman and nakamura.

Cigaro
12-27-2012, 06:45 PM
I understand but RT and guard are positions that are typically easier to find later in the draft or through free agency. Secondary was a big need last year, is it solid now? I find that hard to believe as all they added was josh Norman and nakamura.

The secondary is still an area of definite need, just not as much as the two tackle spots, especially if we add a defensive tackle, as an improved defensive line usually improves the secondary by proxy. Norman still needs to develop, Nakamura is pretty bad. Even so, I'd hate to go secondary in the first round, only in the second if the talent available is truly worth it.

Robcards
12-27-2012, 07:51 PM
The secondary is still an area of definite need, just not as much as the two tackle spots, especially if we add a defensive tackle, as an improved defensive line usually improves the secondary by proxy. Norman still needs to develop, Nakamura is pretty bad. Even so, I'd hate to go secondary in the first round, only in the second if the talent available is truly worth it.

I imagine whoever the coach and GM of the Panthers turns out to be will have a big impact on who they take as well. The idea of Chip Kelly in Carolina is definitely an intriguing one, I'd go all-in on Cam in fantasy if he ends up there for sure =)

princefielder28
12-28-2012, 09:25 AM
The Packers appear to be set on releasing Jermichael Finley, but I don't think that changes how much they truly desire a new tight end for the team. McCarthy's offense has always been centered around the receivers and the tight end position, when the offense is running best, is more of a niche position. The team will return with DJ Williams, Tom Crabtree, Ryan Taylor, and Brandon Bostick, who has gotten high marks on the practice squad, and I can almost guarantee they'll be more than thrilled with those four as their options for next season.

The running back position gets a ton of criticism and it will likely be addressed during the draft but I don't see the first round being the time.

The offensive line has had issues at times, but they seem to be figuring things out with Lang lining up at LG, Evan Dietrich-Smith at C, Josh Sitton at RG, and Don Barclay at RT (Bulaga will also be returning next season). Marshall Newhouse at LT might be replaced or the team may even go with a competition between Bulaga and Sherrod next season to see if one of them can beat him out.

The defensive line could certainly stand to apply more pressure. BJ Raji is obviously the anchor along the line. Ryan Pickett is at the end of his career so I'm guessing he'll be out next year. Youngsters Mike Neal, Jerel Worthy, and Mike Daniels have shown ability at times but have been far from consistent performers when they actually see the field. CJ Wilson will battle for a spot next year as well. I could see an addition here as well, but I don't see the team feeling it's urgent enough to go early with it given all the youth.

Linebackers seem fairly set for next season with Matthews, Bishop, Hawk, and Perry likely being the starters (assuming everyone recovers from their injuries). Brad Jones has played well inside for the team. Erik Walden and Dezman Moses have had their bright spots throughout the season. Ultimately I could see them going for another pass rushing backer in round one.

In the secondary Casey Hayward, Sam Shields, and Davon House have proven to be dependable on the field when healthy, and factoring in Tramon Williams, the team is set at corner moving forward. The safety position might be the most shaky position on the team with Morgan Burnett having his good and bad weeks along with the youth of MD Jennings and Jerron McMillian. I feel the safety position should and could get a look in round one. They desperately need a difference maker at the position.

Ranking the Packers' top needs

1. Safety
2. Left Tackle
3. Outside Linebacker
4. Running Back
5. Defensive Line

Robcards
12-28-2012, 10:10 AM
1. Safety
2. Left Tackle
3. Outside Linebacker
4. Running Back
5. Defensive Line

I'm guessing that's not in order because RB and LT are clearly the top 2 needs there, I don't even think OLB is a need as the only reason Brad Jones moved inside was because they were decimated with injuries and they have Perry, Matthews, and Moses. Maybe they'll take one on day 3, but I don't see how they take one in the 1st.

SuperPacker
12-28-2012, 10:18 AM
I'm guessing that's not in order because RB and LT are clearly the top 2 needs there, I don't even think OLB is a need as the only reason Brad Jones moved inside was because they were decimated with injuries and they have Perry, Matthews, and Moses. Maybe they'll take one on day 3, but I don't see how they take one in the 1st.

Well thank you for telling us what our needs are. :njx:

Running Back is not a huge need for us, because we don't run the ball. It would be a waste of a first round pick.

Don Vito
12-28-2012, 10:20 AM
So are Bulaga and Sherrod both potentially not starting for GB next year? Barclay is the UDFA rookie IIRC, I figured Bulaga would take his spot back but I guess not. Apparently Sherrod has been trash if he's not even considered to be in the mix.

Robcards
12-28-2012, 10:29 AM
Well thank you for telling us what our needs are. :njx:

Running Back is not a huge need for us, because we don't run the ball. It would be a waste of a first round pick.

LOL yeah man, and the Jets don't need a QB because our passing game is bad. You should do stand up.

Did you even read what you just said? You cannot be serious lol

SuperPacker
12-28-2012, 10:35 AM
LOL yeah man, and the Jets don't need a QB because our passing game is bad. You should do stand up.

Did you even read what you just said? You cannot be serious lol

Not because we don't run the ball well, because we don't run the ball. We have Aaron Rodgers. We can win games without having an Adrian Peterson, which is why drafting a RB in the first round makes no sense. Even if they're a stud, the effect they will have on our games is minimal. We can easily pick one up in the later rounds that will be just as valuable to us.

Do you think the Saints are happy with their Mark Ingram pick ?It doesn't matter how good he was or is, they simply don't use him enough to warrant picking him in the first round.

So are Bulaga and Sherrod both potentially not starting for GB next year? Barclay is the UDFA rookie IIRC, I figured Bulaga would take his spot back but I guess not. Apparently Sherrod has been trash if he's not even considered to be in the mix.

Sherrod hasn't even played. We don't know if he's trash or amazing. Which is why I'd like to see him play before committing to an offensive tackle in the first round for 3 years out of the last 4.

princefielder28
12-28-2012, 11:02 AM
I'm guessing that's not in order because RB and LT are clearly the top 2 needs there, I don't even think OLB is a need as the only reason Brad Jones moved inside was because they were decimated with injuries and they have Perry, Matthews, and Moses. Maybe they'll take one on day 3, but I don't see how they take one in the 1st.

Brad Jones has been far better inside than he ever proved to be outside. Nick Perry is a decent pass rusher but his strength lies in run support, not in pass rushing. Dezman Moses has been okay, and I know he's still a rookie but in terms of pass rushing ability he has proven enough to be comfortable with him moving forward.

SuperPacker has already tackled the RB topic. Do we need a RB? Yes, I am not going to deny that, but with our offense it is not sensible to invest a high pick in the position. Much like the tight end position for the offense, RB is more of a niche position because we're looking for guys to fill specific roles, not looking for a workhorse back.

Left tackle is a high need and that's why I placed it second. I feel there is a strong possibility though that the best options, for next season, may come from in-house with Bulaga and Sherrod battling Newhouse for the position.

Prowler
12-28-2012, 06:28 PM
Bjoern may be who the Lions take, but I love Moore. He's played DE this year, and the Lions drafted Cliff Avril when he was a bit undersized. I don't think they'll be gunshy at taking Moore if he tears up the predraft process.

Its still early in the process, but you definitely have the right mix.

gouldo
12-30-2012, 01:35 AM
If Miami took Warmack in the 1st, there would be a bounty on Irelands head. Montgomery would be a far better pick, as would Reid or Allen.

Sorry, fail with this effort

Azhais
12-30-2012, 01:52 AM
Not because we don't run the ball well, because we don't run the ball.

Green Bay has averaged 27.8 run attempts per game this seasion (13th highest in the league), which comes to 42% of offensive snaps (14th highest). We run plenty, and it would sure be nice if those runs accomplished something.

Robcards
12-30-2012, 12:52 PM
Green Bay has averaged 27.8 run attempts per game this seasion (13th highest in the league), which comes to 42% of offensive snaps (14th highest). We run plenty, and it would sure be nice if those runs accomplished something.

Exactly. Anyone who's watched the packers know that they run a ton. Rodgers doesn't even come close to the pass attempts that Brees, stafford, and luck put up. The issue is that they don't have any effective RBs. It is definitely a first round need.

Azhais
12-30-2012, 01:10 PM
It is definitely a first round need.

I don't know that I'd go that far. None of the rbs in this draft are really worth a first round pick, and gb has bigger first round needs, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings to see them take one of the sundry backs available in the second. I'd prefer to see a tackle in the first.

Robcards
12-30-2012, 01:29 PM
I don't know that I'd go that far. None of the rbs in this draft are really worth a first round pick, and gb has bigger first round needs, but it wouldn't hurt my feelings to see them take one of the sundry backs available in the second. I'd prefer to see a tackle in the first.

TRich was the only RB with a first round grade last year but Doug Martin and David Wilson were still taken where GB projects to be picking. I'd except at least one RB to be taken at the end of the 1st, maybe Bernard if his medical a check out or lacy if he has a good combine.