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Robcards
12-31-2012, 03:06 PM
This USC vs Georgia Tech bowl game is boring me so I'm going to do a mock real quick. As always comments appreciated and try to keep them based on fact and not opinion (such as 'X player isn't a scheme fit because of his size' instead of 'I like Y player more than X player, give my team Y').

Projected trades:
A) OAK 1st for ARI 1st and 3rd


1. KC - Geno Smith - QB - West Virginia
There will likely be a lot of movement in the QB rankings and someone will likely break away from the pack, but right now Geno is the #1 QB in a lack luster QB class at the top anyway.

2. JAC - Star Lotuleilei - DT - Utah
Jacksonville should probably try to shop this pick around, and if anyone offers anything for it they should take it. I felt that trading up for Blackmon last year was a horrible move considering how many needs they have they can't afford to give up picks. If they stick with #2 though they should take a blue chip prospect like Lotuleilei or Joeckel.

3. ARI (from OAK, see proj. trade A) - Luke Joeckel - OT - Texas A&M
I think it's a close call between Arizona standing pat at 7 and taking a QB or moving up and taking Joeckel and taking a QB in the 2nd. This trade would benefit both teams as Oakland doesn't have an immediate need at LT, but does have many needs due to a lack of draft picks in recent years.

4. PHI - Dee Milliner - CB - Alabama
The writing is on the wall for Asomugha and DRC in Philly. With a new regime coming in those two will likely not be back. Milliner would come in and likely start immediately with Brandon Boykin.

5. DET - Bjoern Werner - DE - Florida State
Jarvis Jones' health concerns may be a red flag for the Lions who have had bad luck with prospects with injury concerns coming out (Best, Leshoure, Broyles, etc.) so they should go with the safer bet in Werner.

6. CLE - Jarvis Jones - OLB/DE - Georgia
I'd expect Jones to play a role similar to Von Miller in a 4-3 scheme where he stands up at the will position on early downs and lines up with his hand in the dirt in nickel formations. Pass rush is a definite need for the Browns and he could come in and make an impact right away.

7. OAK (from ARI) - Manti Te'o - LB - Notre Dame
I expect that Rolando McClain will be cut in the off-season, I'd be shocked if he is on the Raiders in 2013 based on what transpired with him recently.

8. BUF - Tyler Wilson - QB - Arkansas
Hard to say what direction the Bills go here since they currently have no HC. I would imagine that Fitzpatrick will likely still be parted with though, so hard to project the Bills doing something other than drafting a QB in the 1st.

9. NYJ - Damontre Moore - OLB - Texas A&M
Please be there! I've been big on this guy since last year and as a Jets fan I would love being able to stand pat at the 9th pick and grab this guy. Exactly the kind of versatile and explosive pass rusher the team needs.

10. TEN - Chance Warmack - OG - Alabama
This seems high for a guard, but considering this draft class isn't exactly top heavy, I wouldn't rule it out.

11. SD - Barkevious Mingo - OLB - LSU
Another tough pick to project as the Chargers have no GM or HC right now. Shaun Phillips is in his contract year so another pass rusher would be a need. Mingo and Jordan both strike me as similar in that they are more athletic than productive in games, so whoever performs better at the combine between Mingo and Jordan will likely get taken first, and I expect that to be Mingo.

12. MIA - Keenan Allen - WR - California
No change here. Biggest need, best WR in the class. Been projecting this since my first mock of the season.

13. TB - Johnthan Banks - CB - Mississippi State
May be a slight reach here but its above and beyond the biggest need for the Bucs, so if it is still a reach in April maybe they trade back and take a corner later.

14. CAR - Johnathan Hankins - DT - Ohio State
Good value and fills a big need.

15. NO - Sheldon Richardson - DT - Missouri
The defense needs an overhaul so the Saints should just take the best defensive player available.

16. STL - Jake Matthews - OT - Texas A&M
I'm putting Matthews ahead of Lewan here just based on what I've been reading recently, that Matthews may end up being a better LT at the next level than even Joeckel. Hearing lots of good things about this guy.

17. PIT - John Jenkins - NT - Georgia
Hampton has likely played his last snap as a Steeler, and Ta'amu sounds like he's been a bust thus far.

18. DAL - Dion Jordan - OLB - Oregon
While I'm still not sold on this guy, there is no doubting that he has the size and athleticism to succeed at the next level. He could also be an enormous bust if he isn't coached properly though. With Anthony Spencer due to hit FA this would fill the void at the Sam backer position.

19. NYG - Ezekiel Ansah - DE - BYU
Sounding like not only Osi but also Tuck may not be back with the G-Men next year, so DE would become the biggest need by far and Ansah seems to be skyrocketing up boards.

20. CHI - Taylor Lewan - OT - Michigan
Solid value and fills a big need for the Bears.


21. STL (from WAS) - Eric Reid - FS - LSU
22. MIN - Terrance Williams - WR - Baylor
23. IND - Jonathan Cooper - OG - North Carolina
24. HOU - Matt Elam - SS - Florida
25. CIN - Sam Montgomery - DE - LSU
26. BAL - Tavon Austin - WR - West Virginia
27. SEA - Tyler Eifert - TE - Notre Dame
28. SF - Justin Hunter - WR - Tennessee
29. NE - Barrett Jones - G/C - Alabama
30. ATL - Jesse Williams - DT - Alabama
31. GB - Eric Fisher - OT - Central Michigan
32. DEN - Zach Ertz - TE - Stanford

Round 2

33. JAC - Matt Barkley - QB - USC
34. KC - Robert Woods - WR - USC
35. PHI - Shariff Floyd - DT - Florida
36. DET - Xavier Rhodes - CB - Florida State
37. CIN (from OAK) - Khaseem Greene - LB - Rutgers
38. ARI - Mike Glennon - QB - NC State
39. CLE - Forfeited
40. NYJ - Aaron Murray - QB - Georgia
41. TEN - Alex Okafor - DE - Texas
42. BUF - Cordarelle Patterson - WR - Tennessee
43. MIA - Jordan Poyer - CB - Oregon State
44. TB - Kawann Short - DT - Purdue
45. CAR - DeAndre Hopkins - WR - Clemson
46. NO - Forfeited
47. SD - Lane Johnson - OT - Oklahoma
48. STL - Da'Rick Rogers - WR - Tennessee Tech
49. DAL - Tyler Bray - QB - Tennessee
50. PIT - Desmond Trufant - CB - Washington
51. NYG - Oday Aboushi - OT - Virginia
52. CHI - Kevin Minter - LB - LSU
53. MIN - Ryan Nassib - QB - Syracuse
54. WAS - Logan Ryan - CB - Rutgers
55. MIA (from IND) - D.J. Fluker - OT - Alabama
56. HOU - Dallas Thomas - G/T - Tennessee
57. BAL - Alex Ogletree - LB - Georgia
58. CIN - Giovani Bernard - RB - North Carolina
59. SEA - Larry Warford - OG - Kentucky
60. SF - Kenny Vaccaro - FS - Texas
61. NE - John Simon - DE - Ohio State
62. ATL - Jordan Reed - TE - Florida
63. GB - Andre Ellington - RB - Clemson
64. DEN - Phillip Thomas - FS - Fresno State

shylo3716
12-31-2012, 03:23 PM
Milliner to Philly = perfect projection

CJSchneider
12-31-2012, 03:28 PM
Not a bad NO pick, but you have to strongly consider Sam Montgomery and Sheldon Richardson there also. I project Dion Jordan as more of a 3-4 OLB, so I am not sold on the fit.

Robcards
12-31-2012, 03:32 PM
Not a bad NO pick, but you have to strongly consider Sam Montgomery and Sheldon Richardson there also. I project Dion Jordan as more of a 3-4 OLB, so I am not sold on the fit.

Yeah I was torn between Richardson and Jordan. Maybe even Ansah.

eliasrapp98
12-31-2012, 03:40 PM
I like Milliner to Philly, but DRC is back. He hasn't let up a big play in 6 games. He's been pretty shutdown even with an awful group of safeties behind hm.

Robcards
12-31-2012, 04:17 PM
Made some minor changes (Richardson to NO, Jordan to DAL) and added picks 21-32.

Cigaro
12-31-2012, 04:21 PM
Would the Chargers really go after Mingo after taking Ingram in the first last year?

Robcards
12-31-2012, 04:29 PM
Would the Chargers really go after Mingo after taking Ingram in the first last year?

Why not? Doesn't look like Shaun Phillips will be back and Jarrett Johnson isn't really a pass rusher...

bruschis4all
12-31-2012, 05:26 PM
That's a pretty poor Patriots draft. Center isn't a need. Ryan Wendell did just fine and actually lead the NFL in minutes played. Belichick is really into measurables when it comes to de/olb. Simon might be a player for someone. But, I doubt he's a second and can't see the Pats drafting him. If you want to improve NE's pass rush give us Okafor in the first. Or, one of the dt's; Williams, Floyd or Short. End of the 2nd I'd like Markus Wheaton or Margus Hunt. Let's say Jesse Williams and Markus Wheaton.

T-RICH49
12-31-2012, 05:26 PM
solid KC draft

derza222
12-31-2012, 05:33 PM
You're a Jets fan so obviously you have a feel for the team's needs, but that worked out nicely.

Minijosh
12-31-2012, 05:37 PM
Not a fan of either Niner pick. I see no way they take another 1st rd WR while they continue to develop Jenkins. S is not a 2nd rd need when both S are going to the Pro Bowl. In your scenario Jesse Williams would be a much better pick in the 1st to give the D-line depth and maybe a replacement for the Cowboy down the road.

ArkyRamsFan
12-31-2012, 06:30 PM
Solid Rams draft. Matthews, Reid and Rogers would fill immediate needs while upgrading our overall talent big time.

P.S. I'm glad you didn't follow a lot of other mocks and have the Rams going OL back to back in the first. There is no way in Hades that Fish doesn't take a defensive player with at least one of our first rounders if not even both, IMO.

WHAT SAY YE?

Thecollegedropout
12-31-2012, 06:34 PM
You're a Jets fan so obviously you have a feel for the team's needs, but that worked out nicely.
Agreed. D. Moore would kick ass in round 1 and I can live with Murray in round 2 though it'd suck to pass up on Gio Beonard since I think he can be our answer to a full time back.

ChicagoBearsVet23
12-31-2012, 07:18 PM
Love that Bears draft

Robcards
12-31-2012, 07:37 PM
Agreed. D. Moore would kick ass in round 1 and I can live with Murray in round 2 though it'd suck to pass up on Gio Beonard since I think he can be our answer to a full time back.

Qb is just more important and RBs can be found later in the draft. I'm really hoping we get Michael dyer.

Robcards
12-31-2012, 07:39 PM
That's a pretty poor Patriots draft. Center isn't a need. Ryan Wendell did just fine and actually lead the NFL in minutes played. Belichick is really into measurables when it comes to de/olb. Simon might be a player for someone. But, I doubt he's a second and can't see the Pats drafting him. If you want to improve NE's pass rush give us Okafor in the first. Or, one of the dt's; Williams, Floyd or Short. End of the 2nd I'd like Markus Wheaton or Margus Hunt. Let's say Jesse Williams and Markus Wheaton.

Jones would play RG for the pats not C. Also you're the first pats fan to say DT is a need every other one I've encountered on this board says DT early for pats is crazy because they really like Kyle love.

Pat Sims 90
12-31-2012, 08:27 PM
I still can't see the Bengals taking a DE in the 1st. They have gotten better value in the later rounds from DL plus this class is deep on the DL. DB or LB seem like more likely positions to be addressed in the 1st.

Robcards
12-31-2012, 08:52 PM
I still can't see the Bengals taking a DE in the 1st. They have gotten better value in the later rounds from DL plus this class is deep on the DL. DB or LB seem like more likely positions to be addressed in the 1st.

There just aren't any 1st round LBs other than Te'o or 1st round safeties other than Reid and maybe Elam. I'm sure at least one or two will emerge like Harrison smith last year but ATM it's tough to mock something other than a pass rusher at that spot.

proshoota25
01-01-2013, 02:12 PM
Jones would play RG for the pats not C. Also you're the first pats fan to say DT is a need every other one I've encountered on this board says DT early for pats is crazy because they really like Kyle love.

kyle love is a rotational player imo. he was great last year, and he hasnt shown too many flashes of improvement this year. DT is a spot id like to invest a high pick on, im really high on shariff floyd (a little biased)

Robcards
01-01-2013, 02:41 PM
kyle love is a rotational player imo. he was great last year, and he hasnt shown too many flashes of improvement this year. DT is a spot id like to invest a high pick on, im really high on shariff floyd (a little biased)

Ok thanks I used to mock DT in the 1st to the Pats but everyone kept telling me DE was the bigger need

RCAChainGang
01-01-2013, 03:19 PM
Not a terrible pick, but I think I'd rather go with a pass rusher. Montgomery would be my preference, but considering who is left I can understand OG. Also, Okafor is a dark horse for our pick in this situation.

Robcards
01-01-2013, 03:39 PM
Not a terrible pick, but I think I'd rather go with a pass rusher. Montgomery would be my preference, but considering who is left I can understand OG. Also, Okafor is a dark horse for our pick in this situation.

I'm assuming Mathis moves over to the weak side rush spot and the Colts sign someone like Kruger, Barwin, or Spencer to play Sam. Kruger would obv make the most sense because of the connection to pagano. In that case OLB wouldn't be as big a need. Of course they could also sign some OLine help as well but they could have last year too and all they did was trade for justice and sign satele

coordinator0
01-01-2013, 03:43 PM
For what it's worth Kruger isn't a good fit at the SAM. That's where he was playing earlier in the season for Baltimore when he wasn't doing anything. After Suggs came back and Kruger moved into the situational pass-rusher role is when he really started to flourish.

As for Baltimore's picks, they're alright. Austin could be good depending on what happens with the WR situation. I don't think he's a clear BPA type of guy they would take regardless of need. I'm not a fan of Ogletree's fit in a 3-4 but in the 2nd round that's a good pick anyways. Baltimore definitely needs a guy who can cover from from the ILB position.

phlysac
01-01-2013, 06:14 PM
Not a fan of either Niner pick. I see no way they take another 1st rd WR while they continue to develop Jenkins.

Crabtree - Gold
Moss - FA
Manningham - 1 more year + horrid knee injury
Williams - Iffy coming off an ACL.
Ginn - 2 targets all season
Jenkins - 1 target.


Scenarios exist where WR is easily the weakest position on the team.

OSUGiants17
01-01-2013, 07:38 PM
I dig it, great mix of value and need. Well done

Seasonticketholder
01-01-2013, 08:39 PM
For the Saints, Dion Jordan would be the pick. I think he will show up at the combine weighing 260-265, and will be just as capable of playing in the 4-3 as he will be in a 3-4. Also, when I think of the DEs that have excelled in Spags system, they were in that range. We have Cam Jordan on the other side, he plays the run well and is a better rusher than some people might imagine. But Dion Jordan would add a dynamic, pass rushing presence and give us two talented DEs to build the defense around.

49erNation85
01-01-2013, 09:23 PM
great two picks for sf. Gonna need some help at wide out next year.

bruschis4all
01-02-2013, 08:04 AM
kyle love is a rotational player imo. he was great last year, and he hasnt shown too many flashes of improvement this year. DT is a spot id like to invest a high pick on, im really high on shariff floyd (a little biased)

Deaderick actually started instead of Love on Sunday. I'd like a 3-tech that can get upfield and rush the passer. Not another anchor. My long term thinking. Maybe, next year. Hightower moves to Ninko's spot. That flex/hybrid de in the 4-3 we're playing. Would like to add speed at olb to take Hightower's spot then; Ogletree, Greene or Arthur Brown.

On offense, If I'm adding anything. It's wr before OL. As long as Pats re-up Vollmer, the ol is fine. One of the better units in the league. Team finished 7th in rushing and 4th in passing. 1st overall in yardage and points(3RD hightest in NFL history 557). Obviously, Brady is the key to that. But, you need to have a good OL to accomplish that. Depth even returns; Cannon, McDonald and Zusevics. Only loss could be Donald Thomas - G. Backup, but he's a free agent.

Taber21
01-02-2013, 09:33 AM
QB in round 2 for the Vikings is quite unlikely at this point. They seem to want to give Ponder every opportunity to succeed, so I don't think 1.5 seasons is all he will get, and they have too many needs to draft a 3rd QB that high. WR in the first is perfect, but CB, DT, MLB, S, OG are much bigger needs after that.

Robcards
01-02-2013, 09:37 AM
Deaderick actually started instead of Love on Sunday. I'd like a 3-tech that can get upfield and rush the passer. Not another anchor. My long term thinking. Maybe, next year. Hightower moves to Ninko's spot. That flex/hybrid de in the 4-3 we're playing. Would like to add speed at olb to take Hightower's spot then; Ogletree, Greene or Arthur Brown.

On offense, If I'm adding anything. It's wr before OL. As long as Pats re-up Vollmer, the ol is fine. One of the better units in the league. Team finished 7th in rushing and 4th in passing. 1st overall in yardage and points(3RD hightest in NFL history 557). Obviously, Brady is the key to that. But, you need to have a good OL to accomplish that. Depth even returns; Cannon, McDonald and Zusevics. Only loss could be Donald Thomas - G. Backup, but he's a free agent.

It's pretty much impossible to mock Pats drafts considering how often they trade and make surprise picks so I'm not even going to waste any more thought on it lol

Robcards
01-02-2013, 09:39 AM
QB in round 2 for the Vikings is quite unlikely at this point. They seem to want to give Ponder every opportunity to succeed, so I don't think 1.5 seasons is all he will get, and they have too many needs to draft a 3rd QB that high. WR in the first is perfect, but CB, DT, MLB, S, OG are much bigger needs after that.

Maybe. Or maybe they realize that Ponder is a bottom 5 starting qb and severely limits that offense and its the biggest need on the team aside from WR. The Vikings are extremely lucky to be 10-6, if they don't make serious improvements they won't come close to that next year.

Poz51
01-02-2013, 11:01 AM
8. BUF - Tyler Wilson - QB - Arkansas
Hard to say what direction the Bills go here since they currently have no HC. I would imagine that Fitzpatrick will likely still be parted with though, so hard to project the Bills doing something other than drafting a QB in the 1st.

42. BUF - Cordarelle Patterson - WR - Tennessee
57. BAL - Alex Ogletree - LB - Georgia

Good Bills mock IMO, Wilson is a perfect fit for Nix's draft profile, and Patterson is my #2 WR right now in this draft. Fits needs 1 and 3 for the Bills, the only thing to keep in mind is that LB is the second biggest need for the Bills IMO, and I could see them going with Ogletree over Patterson with LB being the greater need, and it is a huge need, although with some of the potential FA LB's it could be filled before the draft. Anyway, I like it, nice job!!

Taber21
01-02-2013, 12:11 PM
Maybe. Or maybe they realize that Ponder is a bottom 5 starting qb and severely limits that offense and its the biggest need on the team aside from WR. The Vikings are extremely lucky to be 10-6, if they don't make serious improvements they won't come close to that next year.

They are fortunate to be 10-6 I agree, and Ponder has held them back for much of the year. That said, unless they thought Nassib was better than Ponder day 1, I cannot picture this happening as they still have several other glaring holes on their roster. Not saying it absolutely won't happen, but it would appear very unlikely at this time.

cjrugger
01-02-2013, 03:03 PM
I could live with Logan Ryan, but I think S is a bigger need for the Skins, and with Vaccarro on the board I would take him in a heartbeat

Babylon
01-02-2013, 03:10 PM
Seattle

with Miller and McCoy doing the job at TE this might seem like a reach but I love the pick.

Not seeing Geno Smith as the top pick in the draft, I would probably be hard pressed to take him at the top or round 2.

Diehard
01-02-2013, 04:48 PM
32. DEN - Zach Ertz - TE - Stanford
64. DEN - Phillip Thomas - FS - Fresno State


I have a hard time seeing them take a TE here unless it was clearly a BPA situation. Dreessen and Tamme both have new 3-year contracts, and Virgil Green has played well in limited duty. Hard to see where a new guy would get enough work to justify going that way in the first. If we are looking at receivers, I think WR is probably a lot more pressing a concern - neither Caldwell or Willis has taken a firm hold of the 4th spot, and we really need to be grooming someone to succeed Stokely in the slot.

Thomas is solid and we need the help at SS - Mike Adams isn't a long term solution and Quinton Carter missed the season with an injury.

tmljeh19
01-02-2013, 07:31 PM
Good pick for skins. Can't pass up Vacarro or Thomas tho

rawdawg
01-03-2013, 08:56 PM
If the Bears could get Lewan at 20 and Ogletree (not Minter) at 50, this would be the best draft ever. And I'm not even a huge Lewan fan.

Robcards
01-03-2013, 09:46 PM
If the Bears could get Lewan at 20 and Ogletree (not Minter) at 50, this would be the best draft ever. And I'm not even a huge Lewan fan.

Minter is a better fit as a 4-3 mike linebacker. Ogletree is better suited as a will in a 4-3 or 3-4. Minter is also widely rated higher than ogletree at the moment.

Abaddon
01-03-2013, 11:05 PM
Moore > Te'o

Also, AZ would have to cough up more than a 3rd to pull off that trade. A 2nd would be closer to right.