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SuperPacker
01-06-2013, 03:43 PM
A comfortable win against the Vikings in the Wildcard Round has lead us to Candlestick Park in what will undoubtedly be a harder/more competitive game against the San Francisco 49ers. They have home field advantage and a weeks rest, we have the momentum.

I think this game comes down to keeping A-Rod upright. Justin Smith and Aldon Smith will be doing their thing, but if we want to win we need to contain them. If we can protect Rodgers with 4 receivers on the field we'll be able to create mis-matches all across the field and move the ball well. On defense i'd like to see us go to more 3 Dlinemen sets. Like the Vikings, the 49ers will be focused on their run game and stopping it will be key.

J-Mike88
01-06-2013, 07:21 PM
I already hate the Niners.

#1 on my list is Dashon Goldson.
#2 is Aldon Smith.
#3 is Vernon Davis.
#4 is Mike Crabtree.
#5 is Randall Moss.

I wonder if we've kinds rested, saved our biggest bruising RB, James Starks, for a matchup like this one?

BloodBrother
01-06-2013, 08:05 PM
Tramon and Woodson feast on young QB's. Very good at baiting them. Will likely need one of them to pick off a pass

Can't let the Niners run the ball effectively and will need to contain Kaep and his running ability. He's been a bit inconsistent and GB's secondary(the CB's mainly) is good

comes down to the Pack front 7. Clay will be his usual beast self, but they'll need Walden to have another big game like he had last night(that was huge). Need to pressure Kaep. Vernon Davis is the guy that always worries me since this team cannot cover TE's worth a lick

Pack OL will pretty much have to play the game of their life and I would hope to see more quick passes/screens/dumpoffs utilized to slow their rush down a bit. They just don't stack up well up front vs them, so they need to gameplan around that. Roll Rodgers out, etc. Harris, Starks(if he plays), Grant, Green....whoever the hell runs the ball, doesn't matter, they need to at least be somewhat effective. 80+ rush yards with some key catches from the RB group will likely be needed

Lets hope the trend continues of the Packers beating the Niners in the playoffs

PackerLegend
01-06-2013, 08:16 PM
Who is flying me to Cisco and buying my tickets? I'm 3-0 when in attendance of Packet games so if I go sure bet we win!

J-Mike88
01-06-2013, 09:03 PM
Who is flying me to Cisco and buying my tickets? I'm 3-0 when in attendance of Packet games so if I go sure bet we win!
I'd chip in, but I'm already doing my share by betting on the opponents & jinxing them, as I did for the final 6 games of the 2010 season.... I lost a ton of $ betting on our opponents, heartbreak insurance.

TitleTown088
01-07-2013, 11:50 AM
Justin Smith and Aldon Smith will be doing their thing, but if we want to win we need to contain them..

You sure? Homeboy has a bum three cep.

BloodBrother
01-07-2013, 11:54 AM
Sounds like he'll play but there's no way he's 100%, not that quickly from a partial tear. We'll see how his pain tolerance is/how effective he is with a much weaker arm

BloodBrother
01-07-2013, 01:51 PM
If you've got 2 hours and 30 minutes to kill, here is the week 1 game vs the Niners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzu7Ii9XDYg

both teams are very different now, as is usually the case from Week 1 - Week 19.

Some things of note

* Jarrett Bush was the starter in this game. Shields and especially Hayward saw very little time. Bush has barely sniffed the field(on D) since this game and obviously Hayward has emerged as a very good slot DB

* Walden and Neal were both serving suspensions and didn't play. Lots of Philip Merling in this game, who was cut months ago

* Benson did little to nothing in this game. Pack can't have that this weekend from Harris and Co.

* Loss of Bulaga to an already weak OL that was outmatched in that game. Hopefully things have stabilized a bit with the line, but Newhouse/Barclay have their work cut out for them

* Manningham is out for the year. That guy always seemed to give the Packers fits

* No Kaep in this game other than the designed run play where he got an easy 20+ yards up the middle.

in the end, it's fun to look back at, but you can't properly gauge things from this performance for either team. It was so long ago and things are much different, especially in SF's case since they had a QB change. One thing is for sure, the Pack didn't look like they were ready to match the Niners physicality in that Week 1 match-up. That must change if they are to win.

J-Mike88
01-07-2013, 09:09 PM
If you've got 2 hours and 30 minutes to kill, here is the week 1 game vs the Niners.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mzu7Ii9XDYg
* Walden and Neal were both serving suspensions and didn't play. Lots of Philip Merling in this game, who was cut months ago

* Benson did little to nothing in this game. Pack can't have that this weekend from Harris and Co.

* Loss of Bulaga to an already weak OL that was outmatched in that game. Hopefully things have stabilized a bit with the line, but Newhouse/Barclay have their work cut out for them

* Manningham is out for the year. That guy always seemed to give the Packers fits

* No Kaep in this game other than the designed run play where he got an easy 20+ yards up the middle.
I can't believe that video is still up there, especially with the title so easy to find searching.

Walden and Neal have to contain and hammer Kaepernick.
I looked closely at the Niners 4 losses, and tie, and they key in all those games (one of the keys) was that the Niners didn't sack the QB in those games. A couple of goose-eggs, and a 1 sack game.
Can we ever have a game where Rodgers is sacked zero times?
If he doesn't get sacked Saturday (and plays the whole game), I think we'll light em up like we did to Atlanta 2 years ago in this round.

Good call on Super Mario, that guy always got us... just like Nicks and Cruz did.
But so does Vernon Davis.

BloodBrother
01-07-2013, 10:52 PM
This OL won't put up a goose-egg, not vs that front 7. If they can hold the Rodger sacks to 3 or less, they did good enough lol

J-Mike88
01-08-2013, 08:21 AM
Certainly not looking past the Niners, who are favored over us, but if we were to win, which matchup would you guys like better?

Going to Atlanta, the scene of the crime in the 2010 playoff game where Rodgers showed the world how great he is.

Or at home, versus the red hot Seahawks and their physical defense, a chance to get revenge on that robbery in Seattle in September.

Which one would you feel the most confident about?
I think these results should be pretty divided.

The field at Candlestick is a piece ofschit. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2013/01/08/candlestick-park-looks-a-lot-like-fedex-field/

It will, one would think, give more edge to the grinding team than the fast, precise passing, speed team.

PackerFan20
01-08-2013, 12:43 PM
I had forgotten how slow the pace of the game was with the replacement refs. With a good playoff crew Rodgers should be able to run the no-huddle as much as he wants, and that could give us an advantage if he finds the 49ers in a favorable defense.

J-Mike88
01-08-2013, 05:20 PM
Ryan Longwell is back, playoff time..... hopefully in 11 days, at Lambeau Field, he shanks a kick as time expires to end his team's season.

Seattle has signed Longwell.

PackerLegend
01-08-2013, 06:53 PM
He doesn't need to shank the game ending FG... I rather have him miss one or two and not have the game come down to that.

SuperPacker
01-08-2013, 06:58 PM
I'd rather play Atlanta.

I don't like it when we go into a game with a revenge mindset. And plus it would mean Rodgers in a dome.

J-Mike88
01-08-2013, 08:37 PM
I'd rather play Atlanta.

I don't like it when we go into a game with a revenge mindset. And plus it would mean Rodgers in a dome.
I agree with that.

Who else here is ready for this ***** game right now?

Jordy was out of practice today.
Finley was there, looked okay.

Jerron McMillian was also out, he only played one play against Minnesota last week.... not sure what happened.

BloodBrother
01-08-2013, 10:13 PM
I'm not worried about Jordy. I think they are just giving him some more rest to keep him as fresh as possible.

PackerLegend
01-09-2013, 08:57 AM
I'm ready! Can't wait!!!!! I do like our time slot the best, Saturday at night so we can all celebrate a Packers victory the right way!! We better win otherwise it just makes Sundays games slightly less enjoyable.

J-Mike88
01-09-2013, 04:18 PM
Jordy was out of practice yesterday, as was Jerron McMillian.
Surprisingly, Jarrett Boykin was back!
And so was J-Mike.

I haven't heard reports from today yet.....

J-Mike88
01-09-2013, 05:32 PM
http://www.dallasnews.com/sports/databases/20130109-nfl-team-by-team-injuries-can-cowboys-use-health-as-an-excuse.ece

BloodBrother
01-09-2013, 06:27 PM
Cobb was out today with the flu - seems somebody has it on the team every damn week now(maybe they can use it to affect opponents. More coughing/sneezing on them in pile-ups should do it)
Jordy was out again but MM said he expects him to practice tomorrow
Boykin was out today after practicing yesterday. Probably a planned thing
McMillian was out again today but will be back tomorrow. He missed time with a "personal matter"

MM said he's confident he'll have all his WR's for Saturday

J-Mike88
01-09-2013, 11:37 PM
Green Bay, WI Wide receivers Randall Cobb and Jordy Nelson did not participate in Wednesday's practice as the Green Bay Packers prepared for this weekend's NFC Divisional Playoff game against the San Francisco 49ers.

Packers head coach Mike McCarthy said that Cobb, Green Bay's leading receiver during the regular season, remained at home Wednesday because of illness and not injury. The second-year standout had missed the team's Week 17 finale with an ankle/knee issue, but returned to action for the Packers' 24-10 win over rival Minnesota in last Saturday's Wild Card round.

Nelson's status is less certain after he hurt his ankle during last weekend's victory, though McCarthy was hopeful he would be able to practice on Thursday.

Rookie safety Jerron McMillian also was not on the field Wednesday due to a personal matter, but is expected to rejoin the team on Thursday.

Outside linebackers Clay Matthews (knee) and Dezman Moses (hamstring) were listed as limited in Wednesday's session, while defensive end Jerel Worthy will miss Saturday's matchup with a knee injury he sustained in the regular- season finale.

Running back James Starks, out since early December due to a knee sprain, was a full participant.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/sports/2013/01/09/cobb-nelson-miss-practice-for-packers/#ixzz2HY2aKBpf

J-Mike88
01-10-2013, 09:28 AM
This is the key guy for our offense> http://packersinsider.com/?p=5207

If he has a big game, we're probably 90% ****ed.
If he's quiet, we probably win.

J-Mike88
01-10-2013, 08:54 PM
Do we have anyone who can light up Vernon Davis like Kam Chancellor did?

J-Mike88
01-11-2013, 06:24 PM
Dang I'm home from a long day at work, and check this out and there's nothing all day?
Am I the only one fired up about this game tomorrow?

What other sites are you guys on all the time?

J-Mike88
01-11-2013, 06:45 PM
Besides everything else from this physical team, they have a good one, but a cheap shot artist, back at safety in Dashon Goldson.

You guys know the NFL is worried about lawsuits from concussions, etc. and they now penalize any hit by a head to a chest, head, etc.

But they keep letting guys try and rip out ACLs with cheap low shots into runners knees, like what took out Adrian Peterson last year, what Delmas has done to Ovie M, and tried to do to Vick.

Goldson will try and take out an ACL whenever he gets a chance too.
Yet somehow it's the clean guys like Nick Collins & Sterling Sharpe who get the career-ending neck injuries, but these types of ***** punks don't get hurt?

I want to see someone hammer this ***** helmet so hard, he's out like a light bulb and he thinks he's on the planet Mars seeing stars.

http://ww1.hdnux.com/photos/16/15/00/3723288/3/628x471.jpg
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Beanie+Wells+Dashon+Goldson+Arizona+Cardinals+Ax3m ygCKJEel.jpg

princefielder28
01-12-2013, 06:48 AM
It's Game Day!

SuperPacker
01-12-2013, 06:55 AM
I'm scared!

:freakout:

Playoff football is too much for me.

J-Mike88
01-12-2013, 07:30 AM
I'm scared!

:freakout:

Playoff football is too much for me.
Me too!
I'm nervous as hell..... I believe this game is about a 50-50% game.
I worry that the zebra's will let the 49er DB's grab, hold, molest, accost, assault our WR's and Finley past 5 yards, which last I checked was ILLEGAL.

I wish I knew how to get warnings to the gameday officials..... I would like to tell them if they don't do their jobs and call the Niners for the infractions per the rules regarding the 5-yard "buffer zone", their car's breaks will mysteriously fail on them one day this week..... just do your job zebras! They owe us a game at least.

SuperPacker
01-12-2013, 07:33 AM
Eh, the 49ers have the advantage imo. A win for us wouldn't surprise me, but i'm not expecting it or even 50/50.

I'm probably 65/35 for the 49ers.

J-Mike88
01-12-2013, 09:54 AM
Peter King has us winning, winning the Super Bowl.
Hank Goldberg has US winning today too, 24-23. http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=8837639&categoryid=2378529

The ESPN panel of experts are pretty split.
7 have San Francisco, 5 have us. Their Accuscore also has us, as does SportsNation. http://espn.go.com/nfl/picks

THIS GAME CAN GO ANY WAY!
Refs, horrifically, may very well be a factor. I hate that. Calls don't always even out. If they did, we're owed a win.

princefielder28
01-12-2013, 10:14 AM
please stop complaining about the officials

SuperPacker
01-12-2013, 10:20 AM
please stop complaining about the officials

glad im not the only one that gets pissed off by it.

its weak and annoying.

BloodBrother
01-12-2013, 10:27 AM
Nerves wont' set it until the game is about to start.

CheeseKnuckles
01-12-2013, 10:18 PM
What a joke... Capers had a week to prepare and that was the plan for this game? Everyone watching this game could tell you to keep contain on Kapaernik and what is Capers doing? Blitzing on third and long!!!! THIS after all year of rushing 3! I repeat 3 all ******* year on the down and long. What a joke this team has become... Soft and fat just like their head coach.

49erNation85
01-12-2013, 10:41 PM
Sorry Packer fans better luck next year! Keep on drafting.

princefielder28
01-12-2013, 11:13 PM
Aaron Rodgers was good during this game but he was playing like the 2nd best quarterback for most of the night.

Interior of the offensive line has issues at times and the center position likely needs to be address this off-season.

Our defensive line got zero push in this game and Clay Matthews was completely neutralized, nearly a non-factor throughout.

Dom Capers needs to be relieved of his duties as defensive coordinator.

Plain and simple: The 49ers were the better football team out there tonight.

RockJock07
01-12-2013, 11:15 PM
Sorry Packer fans better luck next year! Keep on drafting.

Thanks D-bag!

BloodBrother
01-12-2013, 11:27 PM
I don't think Capers is bad but I don't particularly like what I see from his D's, especially when he has to face the more elite teams

letting Kaep run for nearly 200 yards was inexcusable. They held up well vs the pass vs him but they got completely gutted by his rushing ability

D still isn't SB quality. They need some more help up front and at LBer. OL needs to improve to. They aren't far off though and are still in great shape going forward, but they need a few tweaks

I'd look to replace Capers but I doubt he's going anywhere, so they'll just need to find some serious ****** studs to fill some things out

BloodBrother
01-12-2013, 11:28 PM
Sorry Packer fans better luck next year! Keep on drafting.


yeah you guys to(because every team drafts every year)

RockJock07
01-12-2013, 11:40 PM
I don't think Capers is bad but I don't particularly like what I see from his D's, especially when he has to face the more elite teams

letting Kaep run for nearly 200 yards was inexcusable. They held up well vs the pass vs him but they got completely gutted by his rushing ability

D still isn't SB quality. They need some more help up front and at LBer. OL needs to improve to. They aren't far off though and are still in great shape going forward, but they need a few tweaks

I'd look to replace Capers but I doubt he's going anywhere, so they'll just need to find some serious ****** studs to fill some things out

Look I hated Capers after last year if only for the fact that it took a once in a lifetime season from Rodgers to keep his team at 15-1.

They rebounded this year. Perry went down but I still think they did an ok job. That said, 600 yards and 45 points is to many in a playoff game. Also the Packers looked unprepared for the zone-read which is inexcusable. I know but Raji is up for a contract soon but does anyone else think he's been very underwhelming since 2010?

BloodBrother
01-12-2013, 11:49 PM
That's the thing. Beyond the SB year, the other 3 years under Capers have ended the same. D gets destroyed @ Arizona, letting Warner pick them apart. D gets destroyed vs the Giants in 2011 and now this year they just let Kaep gash them on the ground with ease looking like they were a division II college D.

yes, the D needs help, but I'm starting to worry that Capers is just starting to wear out his welcome. He does have a trend of coming into new organizations and turning a D around, only for it to gradually get worse and worse with each year after that

BloodBrother
01-12-2013, 11:52 PM
Raji actually stepped his game up big time from december-the end. They'll bring him back because simply...who do they have to replace him? They have nothing. Pickett is old and I doubt they bring him back once he is a FA, so by default they basically need to keep Raji

RockJock07
01-12-2013, 11:59 PM
Raji actually stepped his game up big time from december-the end. They'll bring him back because simply...who do they have to replace him? They have nothing. Pickett is old and I doubt they bring him back once he is a FA, so by default they basically need to keep Raji

I don't know, they spend a ton of picks last year on the defense but mainly on the back 7. I'd like to see 2-3 picks this draft on the D-line to make Raji expendable.

Bishop comes back, perry comes back, but the scheme matters, Capers needs to be held accountable for being unprepared tonight.

BloodBrother
01-13-2013, 12:06 AM
I fully expect them to draft a NT. Pickett is a FA after next season I believe, and will be 33. I doubt GB brings him back so they'll want his replacement in place

and yeah, I'm souring on Capers and wouldn't mind him getting replaced, but I just don't see it happening. Next step is just getting better players and hoping they can run what he wants better and more effectively. More disciplined play, better tackling...better push from the front 7

SuperPacker
01-13-2013, 12:07 AM
our defense didnt get worse this season, it got better. we can throw that theory out the window.

we added talent to the defensive side of the ball and they improved, obviously we need to add more talent, but getting rid of capers isn't going to change that.

BloodBrother
01-13-2013, 12:12 AM
Hawk is due $7.5 mill next season

please cut him

BloodBrother
01-13-2013, 12:19 AM
our defense didnt get worse this season, it got better. we can throw that theory out the window.

we added talent to the defensive side of the ball and they improved, obviously we need to add more talent, but getting rid of capers isn't going to change that.

Honestly, they couldn't go anywhere but up after last year(they set records for most passing yards given up etc)

my issue with Capers D is that his D's seem to ALWAYS get demolished by the elite teams/qb's. Even in 2009 in his first season, the D ranking was top tier but they got smoked by the good teams/qb's they played, ending with that Warner game where he demolished them

2010 they were consistently good and won it all. Since then it's back to the usual where they just struggle vs these dynamic offenses and seeming to never have the answers/adjustments necessary

tonight it was really just Kaep's running ability. That was the one thing they had to avoid and force the young QB to throw it more. Instead, they let him run for nearly 200 yards with 2 rushing TD's

he's been slow to adjust and has been getting outschemed the past 2 years now. The talent on D is better than what the put out there tonight IMO. There' sjust now ay you allow Kaep to run like that

RockJock07
01-13-2013, 12:21 AM
I fully expect them to draft a NT. Pickett is a FA after next season I believe, and will be 33. I doubt GB brings him back so they'll want his replacement in place

and yeah, I'm souring on Capers and wouldn't mind him getting replaced, but I just don't see it happening. Next step is just getting better players and hoping they can run what he wants better and more effectively. More disciplined play, better tackling...better push from the front 7

In my gut I think MM/TT gives Capers another year but IMO Rodgers has a limited window and he's talked about that in recent interviews.

In terms of the offense, Cobb was the only guy running the ball in the 2nd half.

BloodBrother
01-13-2013, 12:26 AM
yep. Harris had 53 yards on 11 carries with a TD in the first half. I think he got 1 carry in the 2nd half. Makes no sense

still wish they'd replace Capers. Coaches need to be held accountable and giving up nearly 600 yards of offense in a playoff game in unacceptable

RockJock07
01-13-2013, 12:27 AM
Big picture, does Aaron Rodgers win another Super Bowl? I think we all know now that 1 bad game or even 1 bad side of defensive football can keep you from advancing to another super bowl.

I want to believe that Rodgers feel personal pressure to at least beat Farve in terms of SB trophy's. IMO if he plays like he's played in the regular season he will come close to Brett's numbers if not beat them.

BloodBrother
01-13-2013, 12:36 AM
I still believe he'll win one more. Team isn't even far off now

just need more tweaks on D, beef up the OL some more, perhaps get a new DC

Azhais
01-13-2013, 01:11 AM
yep. Harris had 53 yards on 11 carries with a TD in the first half. I think he got 1 carry in the 2nd half. Makes no sense

still wish they'd replace Capers. Coaches need to be held accountable and giving up nearly 600 yards of offense in a playoff game in unacceptable


Bring in Lovie as DC

BloodBrother
01-13-2013, 01:33 AM
Not happening. He'll probably get a HC gig somewhere and this team runs a 3-4 D

J-Mike88
01-13-2013, 07:48 AM
You guys make some good points on Capers.
Someone said we brought in some new guys on defense but mainly the back 7.
You forget that our 1st & 2nd round picks were the front 7, they just happened to get injured for the season as too many of our guys do. Nick Perry & Jerel Worhy are 2 guys who are supposed to get to the QB, and they can't in street clothes and knee/wrist braces.

But on Capers, you're right, aside from the magical carpet ride of 2010, his defense has been lit up historically bad by Kurt Warner, Colin Kaepernick, and they were atrocious in the first half vs Eli Manning, enought that it dug us a hole we couldn't get out of.

I laughed last week when so many people said that playing against the stiff Joe Webb would help our defense against Kaepernick.
Joe Webb is a guy who probably can't start in Canada. And they have crappy WRs.
Kaepernick is so much better of a runner, and 5x a better passer, plus they have rare weapons at TE, plus Crabtree has emerged as a stud. And their OL is somehow the same 5 that have started all year.

Capers and the defense seemed to have prepared all week for a pocket passer like Philip Rivers.

Why would you blitz the guy and let him out of the pocket with wide open spaces to run? You want him to throw the ball. He's only an okay passer. He's a great runner.

Of course, if Matthews doesn't hurry the guy's throws though, nobody will.

It seems to me the game has passed Capers by.

Can we trade Capers for whoever runs the Rams defense? They contained the Niners not once but twice this year. But they have some guys on the DL who can apply pressure.
I guess Raji & Neal aren't capable.

please stop complaining about the officials
As long as you were fine with the refs picking up the flag on the facemask on them grabbing Dujuan Harris, saying it was "incidental", then you got this one. If you complained about it at that time, than you can't say anything to me about refs making bad calls.

SuperPacker
01-13-2013, 07:57 AM
As long as you were fine with the refs picking up the flag on the facemask on them grabbing Dujuan Harris, saying it was "incidental", then you got this one. If you complained about it at that time, than you can't say anything to me about refs making bad calls.

Shut up please.

princefielder28
01-13-2013, 08:37 AM
As long as you were fine with the refs picking up the flag on the facemask on them grabbing Dujuan Harris, saying it was "incidental", then you got this one. If you complained about it at that time, than you can't say anything to me about refs making bad calls.

Did the refs miss that call? Absolutely but the next play (on 3rd & 5) Rodgers hit Jones deep and we scored on the drive so the missed call was insignificant. Did the refs contribute to the Packers' loss? Zero chance.

CheeseKnuckles
01-13-2013, 09:26 AM
You guys make some good points on Capers.
Someone said we brought in some new guys on defense but mainly the back 7.
You forget that our 1st & 2nd round picks were the front 7, they just happened to get injured for the season as too many of our guys do. Nick Perry & Jerel Worhy are 2 guys who are supposed to get to the QB, and they can't in street clothes and knee/wrist braces.

But on Capers, you're right, aside from the magical carpet ride of 2010, his defense has been lit up historically bad by Kurt Warner, Colin Kaepernick, and they were atrocious in the first half vs Eli Manning, enought that it dug us a hole we couldn't get out of.

I laughed last week when so many people said that playing against the stiff Joe Webb would help our defense against Kaepernick.
Joe Webb is a guy who probably can't start in Canada. And they have crappy WRs.
Kaepernick is so much better of a runner, and 5x a better passer, plus they have rare weapons at TE, plus Crabtree has emerged as a stud. And their OL is somehow the same 5 that have started all year.

Capers and the defense seemed to have prepared all week for a pocket passer like Philip Rivers.

Why would you blitz the guy and let him out of the pocket with wide open spaces to run? You want him to throw the ball. He's only an okay passer. He's a great runner.

Of course, if Matthews doesn't hurry the guy's throws though, nobody will.

It seems to me the game has passed Capers by.

Can we trade Capers for whoever runs the Rams defense? They contained the Niners not once but twice this year. But they have some guys on the DL who can apply pressure.
I guess Raji & Neal aren't capable.


As long as you were fine with the refs picking up the flag on the facemask on them grabbing Dujuan Harris, saying it was "incidental", then you got this one. If you complained about it at that time, than you can't say anything to me about refs making bad calls.

I kept yelling this all night? Why were we rushing this QB and giving him free rushing lanes to escape by? A four man rush to with the idea of containing him was the way to go as well as using a spy. I didn't see any of that happening. If Capers isn't gone after this crap of a display... I'm going to have a hard time being excited about next year, because obviously we know what is coming!

WCH
01-13-2013, 09:52 AM
If Capers goes, what about Rob Ryan as a replacement? I don't care for the Ryan's, but he's a good coordinator, runs a 3-4, and would bring the type of intensity that Capers seems to lack.

I don't think Capers is going anywhere, but it wouldn't break my heart if they did make a change.

Hawk is due $7.5 mill next season

please cut him

I'm not even sure what he does. Apparently he had 120 tackles and 3 sacks this season. That has to be the quietest, most invisible 120 tackle season I can remember any player ever having.

SuperPacker
01-13-2013, 10:00 AM
If we could get a guy like Ryan, I would support it, cause it would probably be a step forward.

I don't wanna see us fire him and then hire some run-of-the-mill/average DC, because that isn't going to change anything. Capers is still a good coordinator.

CheeseKnuckles
01-13-2013, 10:58 AM
If we could get a guy like Ryan, I would support it, cause it would probably be a step forward.

I don't wanna see us fire him and then hire some run-of-the-mill/average DC, because that isn't going to change anything. Capers is still a good coordinator.

I'm not a big fan of Ryan... I would rather keep Capers if Ryan was our only choice.

princefielder28
01-13-2013, 01:24 PM
The defensive system we run isn't broke, it's more of the play calling that's the issue so if Capers is let go I think the team would promote from inside the coaching staff...Darren Perry and Kevin Greene being the favorites in my opinion

J-Mike88
01-13-2013, 01:58 PM
If Capers goes, what about Rob Ryan as a replacement? I don't care for the Ryan's, but he's a good coordinator, runs a 3-4, and would bring the type of intensity that Capers seems to lack.

I live in Dallas and some were happy they fired Ryan, but many thought he was just a scapegoat and that Jason Garrett should have been fired.

I agree with you about the intensity.
Our defense has never been accused of being physical. Those DBs, all of them except McMillian, are thin and wirey. No big hitters back there.... Kapernick never took a big hit running thru, Crabtee didn't worry about anything, Davis, etc.
If Ryan would give us some atittude and intensity, tweak the system a bit, I'd be all for it.
Capers seems to be asleep half the time. I don't know how dreaming during games is a good thing.
Did the refs miss that call? Absolutely but the next play (on 3rd & 5) Rodgers hit Jones deep and we scored on the drive so the missed call was insignificant. Did the refs contribute to the Packers' loss? Zero chance.
Of course it didn't have anything to do with us losing. That was all the defense, Jeremy Ross, and Rodgers IMO.

But that call by the head ref, IMO, is a suspendable "mistake".
Rarely are facemasks intentional. Most are accidental.

So for this guy to overrule a flag thrown by a ref who had the proper angle to see what we all saw, what really happened, by calling it "inadvertant" like an inadvertant whistle? No, sorry I'm not buying that. Again, our team sucked and deserve to lose 100% and it had nothing to do with the outcome.

J-Mike88
01-13-2013, 02:09 PM
The defensive system we run isn't broke, it's more of the play calling that's the issue so if Capers is let go I think the team would promote from inside the coaching staff...Darren Perry and Kevin Greene being the favorites in my opinion
2009 Playoffs, this system allowed Kurt Warner to have his best game ever, throw for 379 yards, going 29 of 33 for 379 yards with no interceptions.
The five TDs matched the 38-year-old's career best.

Incredibly, Warner had more touchdown passes (5) than incompletions (4).
They only even got to third down 5 times in the whole game.
They even allowed AZ to rush for 156 yards, and they averaged 9.3 yards per play.
All while Warner had all day to pass.

The next week, Warner was battered and beaten, blown out by Greg Williams version of the 3-4 defense.

Of course last year, this system allowed an all-time NFL record of passing yards, giving almost every QB their best game of the year.
They even made Philip Rivers look great, who othereise has been in a 2-year slump.
Of course, this system gets shredded by Eli Manning too... and someone doesn't know how to teach tackling apparently as we all know from yelling at the TV so many times.

And then last night, in a game some folks thought we'd feast on a young QB and others thought we'd greatly benefit from facing the running Joe Webb last night.

Nope. It looked like they weren't prepared at all. Nobody in the history of the NFL had a QB run for that many yards.

Again, it's not like the 49ers offense did anything we hadn't seen before.
And other teams, the Rams come to mind, did fine against this same defense.

Something is seriously wrong on the defensive side of the ball. Seriously. What a waste of a great chunk of Aaron Rodgers at the pinnacle.

Now if Capers isn't responsible, who is?

This is becoming like the Air Coryell Chargers, the Lynn Dickey Packers, or the Dan Marino Dolphins... thank God we got the one Super Bowl when we didn't have to face a prolific passer like a Brady, Brees, Warner, or even Manning that playoff run that ended here in Dallas.

SuperPacker
01-13-2013, 02:12 PM
Now if Capers isn't responsible, who is?


The football players?

ViperVisor
01-13-2013, 02:36 PM
The football players?

Doing this context to what happened on most 49ers boards gets me ripped as a Kaepernick hater but Charles Woodson was dog doo.

He jumped in front of Gore and allowed the easy flip to Gore for 45 yards.

He looked to be responsible not seeing Crabtree come from outside of the trips formation into the middle of the zone and then stroll into the endzone.

2 huge 3rd down plays. Those gave the 49ers easy points.

On the long 56 yard Kaepernick run that gave the fat lady good reason to hum he was not heads up at all. He crashed in way too hard and it was a bee line to the endzone.

Indirectly 1 TD and Directly 2 TDs.

Just simple stuff, not doing what if Clay catches that tip and runs it for 6, and that game becomes a coin flip.

J-Mike88
01-13-2013, 02:38 PM
The football players?
So are they not being coached well, or are you saying a lot of the players need to be replaced, poor personnel decisions?

Is it Ted Thompson's fault that he had his best 2 ILBers injured and his top 2 picks from this year's draft also injured, OLB and DL?

Or do you want the other starters like Raji, Neal, Tramon, Shields, Woodson, Burnett, Hawk replaced?
By who? Draft picks, who get hurt? Free agents?

Let's hear your gameplan.

I like the personnel Thompson has put on defense for the most part, aside from too many injuries, and maybe too weak of DB's.

BloodBrother
01-13-2013, 03:29 PM
Raji and Woodson expressed frustration with the coaching's lack of adjustments. Says a lot right there

again, the D isn't elite level yet, but they were not that BAD to allow the crap they did out there last night. The Niners ran for over 300 yards on them, which is something youd only see in College ball

Dom was ill-prepared and didn't even make the adjustments throughout the game. At some point, you gotta point the finger at the coach. I agree that if he is fired, they'll promote from within, and I like Darren Perry to be that guy, because he'll eventually get a DC job somewhere. Maybe CB coach Joe Whitt would be another candidate

I just think it's time for Dom to go. He doesn't seem to be makin any changes all the while offenses are becoming more dynamic throughout the league. He's never been with a team for more than 4 years, and this was his 4th year in GB. It's not a good trend that their D keeps getting demolished in the postseason. 2009, 2011, 2012. 3 of his 4 years the D didn't just lay HUGE eggs in the postseason, but did so in spectacular fashion(record breaking type things they are giving up)

SuperPacker
01-13-2013, 03:33 PM
Lol, i'm sure Capers is pretty frustrated with Raji and Woodson. They were both poor yesterday.

I'm not saying Capers deserves non of the blame, that isn't true, but way to much blame gets put on coordinators and not enough on the actual players on the field.

And the Giants game was nothing to do with Capers so we can let that one go.

RockJock07
01-13-2013, 03:39 PM
The football players?

I don't think it's black and white. Sure the players are better then what the Packers had in 2011 but coaching and molding that talent is vital in the NFL.

There were tons of injuries to Perry, Bishop, Woodson most of the season, Matthews some of the season, and Capers seemed to be getting the most out of his guys during the regular season.

That said there really isn't an excuse to come unprepared in the playoffs. I didn't expect them Packers to shut them out but almost 200 yards rushing by a qb and 45 points speaks to the defense not doing enough preparation during the week.

Aaron may never play like he did in the 2010 playoffs, that was a run of Quarterbacking that was amazing. I don't think he played an A+ game yesterday but he played well enough to have the Packers win if the defense could have made stops on 3rd down.

Someone can correct me if I'm wrong but the coaching staff wasn't really changed up on the defense side of the ball last off-season despite giving up the most yards in NFL history. I think now is the time for a fresh face/voice.

BloodBrother
01-13-2013, 03:39 PM
The players didn't play well, I just didn't like the gameplan at all for that game, and when it was becoming clear that things weren't working, you didn't see any adjustment in the 2nd half. I just think it's time for a new voice because we are seeing this D come up short in big games too often

WCH
01-13-2013, 03:46 PM
It's like other coaches pull out all the stops for playoff games, and Dom just treats it as another game. The defense wasn't that bad this season, but they were historically terrible yesterday. And they were terrible against the Giants a year ago, and the Cardinals three years ago.

He's a quality coordinator, but he might not be a playoff coordinator.

PackerLegend
01-13-2013, 03:47 PM
I wouldnt mind dumping Capers but no way do I want to switch from the 3-4....

This game all turned on the Ross fumble... We were up 14-7 and just got the ball back but no, he has to fumble which results in a 49er TD to make it 14-14. Guess thats why we should have kept Cobb back there :'(... and although we were only down 3 at half I think it could have been slightly different had this not happened. Although the way we were playing D maybe it wouldnt have mattered.

WCH
01-13-2013, 04:01 PM
I wouldnt mind dumping Capers but no way do I want to switch from the 3-4....

This game all turned on the Ross fumble... We were up 14-7 and just got the ball back but no, he has to fumble which results in a 49er TD to make it 14-14. Guess thats why we should have kept Cobb back there :'(... and although we were only down 3 at half I think it could have been slightly different had this not happened. Although the way we were playing D maybe it wouldnt have mattered.

I've seen some people on other boards who want to go back to the 4-3, but I'm with you. Going back to a 4-3 would pretty much call for a complete rebuild of the front-7. We could cobble together a functional unit, but it wouldn't look like much. What do we do with Clay? Make him a SLB? A KGB-style DE?

DE: Perry
UT: Neal
NT: Raji
DE: ????

SLB: ???
MLB: Bishop
WLB: Hawk??? (Please no)

When you have a playmaker like Clay, you play to his strengths. If you have to try to figure out how to use him, then you're doing it wrong.

BloodBrother
01-13-2013, 04:09 PM
Yeah that was another problem. Still don't get what MM was doing with Ross on punt returns

He said during Week 17 that Cobb would stay on returns because ST are important and now isn't the time for change. In the WC round he kept Cobb on punt returns(more faith in his hands most likely) and had Ross on KR(more time to recover in case of a screw-up) and then the very next week he puts Ross on PR for some reason

That turnover definitely shifted momentum, but make no mistake, they lost this game because the D was not readily prepared for the Niners offense and had zero, ZERO answer for Kaep's running ability.

RockJock07
01-13-2013, 04:13 PM
I've seen some people on other boards who want to go back to the 4-3, but I'm with you. Going back to a 4-3 would pretty much call for a complete rebuild of the front-7. We could cobble together a functional unit, but it wouldn't look like much. What do we do with Clay? Make him a SLB? A KGB-style DE?

DE: Perry
UT: Neal
NT: Raji
DE: ????

SLB: ???
MLB: Bishop
WLB: Hawk??? (Please no)

When you have a playmaker like Clay, you play to his strengths. If you have to try to figure out how to use him, then you're doing it wrong.

I would agree, as long as they have Clay they have to run a 34. I think all the pieces you listed above would work in either defense but then they would have to get another quality DE.

PackerLegend
01-13-2013, 04:13 PM
Yes exactly... This D is built pretty well for a 3-4 and it would be a huge setback to switch. We just need to get 1 or maybe 2 DE, a OLB, MLB and maybe a S.

But we will get back Bishop, Smith, Perry... which will help. We really dont need much and I really like our young secondary. We just need to find a way to get pressure because with how good they are back there just imagine if we could get pressure on the QB. We really seem to lack in that area.

J-Mike88
01-13-2013, 08:07 PM
Yes exactly... This D is built pretty well for a 3-4 and it would be a huge setback to switch.
Agreed. That's why I think Capers is the ultimate one who has to be held accountable.

Our defense is quite offensive.
Warner, Eli, and Kaepernick had no problem at all figuring out what Capers' guys were doing out there.

BloodBrother
01-13-2013, 10:24 PM
How many times have we read quotes from players on other teams saying they knew exactly what the Packers were doing on D? Seems to happen quite often

Zycho32
01-13-2013, 11:49 PM
Funny thing. Kevin Greene spent one year playing a straight OLB in a 4-3. Still performed really well despite that. Took a professional approach.

Now he's coaching Clay Matthews.

So how much worse overall is Clay from Greene in his prime for a transition to a 4-3 to be unviable?

Zycho32
01-13-2013, 11:55 PM
Yeah that was another problem. Still don't get what MM was doing with Ross on punt returns

He said during Week 17 that Cobb would stay on returns because ST are important and now isn't the time for change. In the WC round he kept Cobb on punt returns(more faith in his hands most likely) and had Ross on KR(more time to recover in case of a screw-up) and then the very next week he puts Ross on PR for some reason.

I dunno about you, but I don't really like Cobb on returns;

1. The additional risk of injury to a player who has become a focal part of the offense.

2. He's a juker and jiver as opposed to a downfield runner. Too many times I've seen him stop in his tracks to try and finesse his way past a defender rather than shoot forward to gain positive yardage.

Frankly, outside of that one miff- and all but benching him because of that seems pretty rediculous since Cobb muffed two balls in that same game but got them back immediately- I was happier with Ross returning the balls than Cobb.

SuperPacker
01-14-2013, 12:37 AM
Yeah that was another problem. Still don't get what MM was doing with Ross on punt returns

He said during Week 17 that Cobb would stay on returns because ST are important and now isn't the time for change. In the WC round he kept Cobb on punt returns(more faith in his hands most likely) and had Ross on KR(more time to recover in case of a screw-up) and then the very next week he puts Ross on PR for some reason

That turnover definitely shifted momentum, but make no mistake, they lost this game because the D was not readily prepared for the Niners offense and had zero, ZERO answer for Kaep's running ability.

This is what I don't get. Unless MM has said something, you have no idea why Cobb was on returns last week and why Ross was on returns this week. So you just assume it's cause he had drop problems? And if he did do you really think MM would put him out there on punt returns in the divisional playoffs?

We were all asking for Ross to be put on punt returns after Cobb got injured and Ross preformed well. But suddenly when Ross drops one, MM is stupid for not putting Cobb on returns? That makes no sense.

I dunno, maybe it's actually Ross' fault for dropping the ball?

Agreed. That's why I think Capers is the ultimate one who has to be held accountable.

Our defense is quite offensive.
Warner, Eli, and Kaepernick had no problem at all figuring out what Capers' guys were doing out there.

Ugh. Do you think it was Caper's plan have the Giants somehow complete a hail mary pass at the end of the first half? Was that Capers' fault? Was it his fault Nicks ran in for the easiest touchdown of his life bouncing off our poor excuses for tackles?

And you say guys have no problem figuring out Capers' defenses, and use two games 4 years apart as your example. Why not also bring up our #2 defense in 2010 and our #11 defense this year? Why didn't teams figure us out then?

It's just shortsighted.

J-Mike88
01-14-2013, 06:52 AM
Ugh. Do you think it was Caper's plan have the Giants somehow complete a hail mary pass at the end of the first half? Was that Capers' fault? Was it his fault Nicks ran in for the easiest touchdown of his life bouncing off our poor excuses for tackles?

And you say guys have no problem figuring out Capers' defenses, and use two games 4 years apart as your example. Why not also bring up our #2 defense in 2010 and our #11 defense this year? Why didn't teams figure us out then?

It's just shortsighted.
So what are you saying, replace 8 of the 11 players on defense?
More rookies, or spend $ on free agents?
You defend, absolve Capers of the blame this year, last year, 3 years ago?

PackerLegend
01-14-2013, 09:02 AM
I am happy Ross is on returns and will continue to want him on returns over Cobb... I was just not happy he was on that return because of the result. Hopefully he learns and doesn't make it a habit.

Out defense is slightly above average but it had the potential to be great. I think we just need a change at DC to get us there. I don't mind Capers but feel we could do better. Lets hope the grass is greener... anyways our lack of pressure is what kills us. Did we even have any against the 49ers? Matthews totally disappeared because there is no one on the other side.

PackerFan20
01-14-2013, 09:51 AM
Even though the defense was terrible throughout, the offense looked pretty good in the first half. However, they did nothing in the second half when McCarthy completely abandoned the run. Did Harris get hurt on that cheap shot from Goldson? He only had two carries after that, and the only other running plays they had were the two to Cobb.

Dajuan Harris
First half: 9 carries for 47 yards, TD
Second half: 2 carries for 6 yards

Offensive play calls
First half: 9 rushes, 10 passes, 1 scramble, 14 points
Second half: 4 rushes, 30 passes (including 1 sack), 2 scrambles, 10 points

McCarthy fell into the same trap he did in Week 1 - the offense became predictable and was easier for the 49ers to stop. To be fair, 18 of those second-half passes came after we were down two TDs, but the offense was much less efficient when we weren't running the ball.

The moment I knew we had lost the game was when McCarthy punted on 4th-and-5 from midfield 11 minutes left. We're down by two scores, the defense can't stop anything, and you're punting on a manageable 4th down??

PACKmanN
01-14-2013, 10:14 AM
this team cannot run the ball on the level us fans would like to see. The only reason we manage to have games where the team looks like it can mange a running game is because the defenses guess wrong.

Why waste a down on a play that would manage to get us a maximum of 3 yards?

Our quick passing game was the best part of this offense.

BloodBrother
01-14-2013, 11:57 AM
This is what I don't get. Unless MM has said something, you have no idea why Cobb was on returns last week and why Ross was on returns this week. So you just assume it's cause he had drop problems? And if he did do you really think MM would put him out there on punt returns in the divisional playoffs?

We were all asking for Ross to be put on punt returns after Cobb got injured and Ross preformed well. But suddenly when Ross drops one, MM is stupid for not putting Cobb on returns? That makes no sense.

I dunno, maybe it's actually Ross' fault for dropping the ball?


We have MM's quotes to go on back in Week 17 where he states that now isn't the time for a change

We wanted Ross on returns, but I'd say we were fine with Cobb finishing out things THIS year in that role and then Ross takes over full time next season. It was just weird to see him have Cobb returning the punts in the WC game only to go to Ross the very next week, considering his comments from Week 17. That's all


Ugh. Do you think it was Caper's plan have the Giants somehow complete a hail mary pass at the end of the first half? Was that Capers' fault? Was it his fault Nicks ran in for the easiest touchdown of his life bouncing off our poor excuses for tackles?

And you say guys have no problem figuring out Capers' defenses, and use two games 4 years apart as your example. Why not also bring up our #2 defense in 2010 and our #11 defense this year? Why didn't teams figure us out then?

It's just shortsighted.

The problem is that it's becoming a trend to see his defenses come up short vs the elite teams/QB's year after year.

I'm not blaming Capers for everything, but I don't think it's just the personnel. A bit of both. I think Capers will be back but next year is a make or break one for him IMO. Capers definitely isn't helped by this weak ass LB corps, I'll admit that. That alone just severely caps the potential of this D. Walden, Jones, Hawk as 3/4 of your starting LB group just isn't gonna cut it. None of them are physical and Walden is terrible at setting the edge, just terrible. That 56 yard TD run by Kaep, Walden got completely sucked in and had his freakin BACK turned and never even saw Kaep just run right by him, that's how bad he screwed up. GEtting Bishop and Perry back may help things, but they still need that 1 ILB stud with speed to combat Bishop(who is the bruising, physical LBer but isn't fast)


This team just gets pushed around too easily. They need to get more physical, stronger and bigger up front on the OL, especially the interior of the line, and they need more speed on D

SuperPacker
01-14-2013, 12:08 PM
So what are you saying, replace 8 of the 11 players on defense?
More rookies, or spend $ on free agents?
You defend, absolve Capers of the blame this year, last year, 3 years ago?

No, I never said that. If we can replace a player like AJ Hawk, with someone better, obviously it would be the right thing to do. But getting rid of him and replacing him with someone worse wouldn't be a good move. Take the same approach with Capers. I'd support getting a upgrade, but firing him for the sake of it itsn't going to change anything. If we fire Capers and promote from within without improving the talent on defense we will not be better. We'd probably go backwards.

And why are people acting like this defense is talented? BJ Raji was the only above average defensive lineman out there and he played like ****. Opposite Clay we had Erik Walden, Brad Jones and AJ Hawk. None of them should be starting in the NFL. Then you have an average Morgan Burnett at free safety and Woodson who played terrible.

Another thing I don't understand is why people are acting like this is the end of the world. We lose in the playoffs two years in a row (generally you play good teams in the playoffs, you know?) and people are questioning whether Rodgers will have another chance to win a superbowl. I really have no idea why the last 2 years have any relation to future years in which we'll have different teams.

PackerLegend
01-14-2013, 12:21 PM
I can't wait to get back Sherrod, Bulaga, Bishop, Smith, even Quarless and some others. What do we do with Barclay? And can Sherrod be the answer at LT over Newhouse?

BloodBrother
01-14-2013, 10:35 PM
Mike Neal actually was playin really well the end of the season, so that was a Dlineman who played well. Pickett probably had his best season as well

LB situation was the huge issue and as long as that isn't improved, it puts them in a bind. Must have great LBers to have a great 3-4 D and they don't have it

StudentBodyLeft
01-14-2013, 11:50 PM
Another thing I don't understand is why people are acting like this is the end of the world. We lose in the playoffs two years in a row (generally you play good teams in the playoffs, you know?) and people are questioning whether Rodgers will have another chance to win a superbowl. I really have no idea why the last 2 years have any relation to future years in which we'll have different teams.

When you have the best player in the world in his prime, I can kinda understand a sense of urgency with winning as many Superbowls as possible. Soon.

The Packers are very fortunate to have a successor to Favre that is actually better. How many teams in the history of the NFL can say that? An all-time NFL HOF QB turning over to a more accurate and mobile QB?

Rodgers is better than a 1 Superbowl-in-his-career player. He deserves multiple ships towards his legacy. The Packers need to get their @$##@ together and give him a winning team soon before he starts his decline. And that decline may come sooner than you think.

J-Mike88
01-15-2013, 12:36 PM
Just sampling.... who here thinks Rodgers one Super Bowl will be it?

This team is not even an NFC elite team anymore, and their nose is pointing downwards. We're about to lose Jennings, lose Driver, Woodson is a shell of his former self.... Collins is long gone. Pickett, my favorite guy, can't even move barely.

This isn't New England with Belichick. No matter what, that team scores like hell and is always close to a Super Bowl.

We keep finging matchup problems for us... bad matchups people say.
The NYG are a "bad matchup" for us.
So, obviously, is San Francisco. They are only going to get better by the way.
3 years ago it was the passing of Warner that was our bad matchup.
If we had to play at New Orleans in the 2010 playoff run, or the Giants, we probably would have lost because it was a bad matchup.

And where are the problems?

Always on defense.
Even before we lost Collins & Jenkins, we had matchup problems vs great passing teams.

To me, the common thread is Capers system.... maybe it's the DB coaches? But I think Capers is mostly to blame. Not 100%, but the game today is a lot different than it was back in the day Capers was the Dominator.

I don't know what more Thompson can do than draft all defensive guys on days 1 & 2 of the draft. He can't make them stay healthy.
He can't teach them how to hold containment on the edges. He can't teach them to tackle like men.
He can't teach Woodson to not be out of position, a step or two late, etc.

When was the last time anyone accused the Packers of being a physical, intimidating defense? Is that impossible?

Rodgers won't stay healthy forever. You have to make some serious overhauls on the defensive side of the ball. Don't waste Rodgers. It saddens me to see him have to score 35-45 points every playoff game to survive.

Capers gets paid to be a great DC, not an average one.

SuperPacker
01-15-2013, 01:15 PM
When you have the best player in the world in his prime, I can kinda understand a sense of urgency with winning as many Superbowls as possible. Soon.

The Packers are very fortunate to have a successor to Favre that is actually better. How many teams in the history of the NFL can say that? An all-time NFL HOF QB turning over to a more accurate and mobile QB?

Rodgers is better than a 1 Superbowl-in-his-career player. He deserves multiple ships towards his legacy. The Packers need to get their @$##@ together and give him a winning team soon before he starts his decline. And that decline may come sooner than you think.

I'm not even sure if your serious. Rodgers is 29, he has at least 6 years playing at an elite level. By that time we will have a completely different team. Who knows if it will be talented or not. We got to the divisional round of the playoffs 2 years in a row and people are acting like we didn't get to the playoffs. Its a ******* joke.

Just sampling.... who here thinks Rodgers one Super Bowl will be it?

This team is not even an NFC elite team anymore, and their nose is pointing downwards. We're about to lose Jennings, lose Driver, Woodson is a shell of his former self.... Collins is long gone. Pickett, my favorite guy, can't even move barely.

This isn't New England with Belichick. No matter what, that team scores like hell and is always close to a Super Bowl.

We keep finging matchup problems for us... bad matchups people say.
The NYG are a "bad matchup" for us.
So, obviously, is San Francisco. They are only going to get better by the way.
3 years ago it was the passing of Warner that was our bad matchup.
If we had to play at New Orleans in the 2010 playoff run, or the Giants, we probably would have lost because it was a bad matchup.

And where are the problems?

Always on defense.
Even before we lost Collins & Jenkins, we had matchup problems vs great passing teams.

To me, the common thread is Capers system.... maybe it's the DB coaches? But I think Capers is mostly to blame. Not 100%, but the game today is a lot different than it was back in the day Capers was the Dominator.

I don't know what more Thompson can do than draft all defensive guys on days 1 & 2 of the draft. He can't make them stay healthy.
He can't teach them how to hold containment on the edges. He can't teach them to tackle like men.
He can't teach Woodson to not be out of position, a step or two late, etc.

When was the last time anyone accused the Packers of being a physical, intimidating defense? Is that impossible?

Rodgers won't stay healthy forever. You have to make some serious overhauls on the defensive side of the ball. Don't waste Rodgers. It saddens me to see him have to score 35-45 points every playoff game to survive.

Capers gets paid to be a great DC, not an average one.

Again, how could you possibly know? Can you see 4, 5, 6 years into the future? Do you know if our team will be talented in a few years?

Not even an elite NFC team anymore....Seriously. Get a grip. Again, two Divisional round playoff loses. Both seasons we finished first in the NFC North. We were the #1 team in 2011 and the #3 team this season. 2011 we lost to the eventual superbowl winners, this season we lost to the #2 seed who will probably be in the superbowl. The way people are acting you;d think we finished 8-8 with Rodgers as the QB. And btw, was Rodgers not partly to blame for the Giants playoff loss...cause I definitely remember the offense playing like **** for the whole game.

"This isn't NE who is always close to a superbowl".

:facepalm:

is the divisional round of the playoffs not close to the superbowl? one game away from the conference championship and two games away from the superbowl? stop acting like we're picking first overall.

when was the last time the patriots actually won a superbowl? you claim the pats are doing so well with brady, but if we were in their position you'd still be crying and moaning about how we're wasting aaron rodgers' talents.

3 points some people need to get into their heads:

1) there is more than one good team in the nfl.

2) teams can improve. (shocking, i know)

3) the packers dont have a god given right to win the superbowl every year.

J-Mike88
01-15-2013, 07:35 PM
Not even an elite NFC team anymore....Seriously. Get a grip. 1) there is more than one good team in the nfl.

2) teams can improve. (shocking, i know)
You call us "elite" still?
OK, I'm not buying it. I wish, but am realistic. Maybe you think the SF game was a fluke. Or the week 1 SF game was a fluke. I don't, not on defense.

Your opinion appears different than mine, than many Packer fans I've seen on other sites, or than Mike Vandermause, the editor of the Press-Gazette sports. http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/usatoday/article/1829889&usatref=sportsmod The Packers' reign as one of the elite teams in the NFC is over. It has become clear the 49ers have overtaken the Packers by a wide margin.

I suppose you, as well as he, and I, are entitled to our own opinions.

You seem very offended by any criticism of the brand.... how would you make the dramatic changes to the defense?
Or are you saying you think the defense will dramatically improve on their own by happenstance?
Or is it your belief there is nothing wrong with this defense that has lost 3 playoff games in the past 4 years where they have allowed over 1500 yards and 40 points a game?

I'm not throwing in the towel, but we have to make some serious changes on defense and I believe that starts at the top. I would like a few players replaced though, and they will be as we typically turn over about 20% of our roster from year-to-year.

Instead of being sensitive towards my disgust with the defense costing us that dynasty that many had forecasted, how about you reveal your plan and idea.

Remember, we added a good 1st rd OLB with a good 2nd rd DL plus a good 3rd rd CB, and the defense still just put Kaepernick into the HOF.

If it ain't broken, don't fix it?
What would you call this defensive system?
Talk to Chuck. Woodson.

J-Mike88
01-15-2013, 07:39 PM
When you have the best player in the world in his prime, I can kinda understand a sense of urgency with winning as many Superbowls as possible. Soon.

Rodgers is better than a 1 Superbowl-in-his-career player. He deserves multiple ships towards his legacy. The Packers need to get their @$##@ together and give him a winning team soon before he starts his decline. And that decline may come sooner than you think.
I agree with everything you said.
Just because Brady & Manning are still doing it so well at that age doesn't mean Rodgers will be great still in 8 years.
You can't take that for granted.
See Nick Collins. See Sterling Sharpe.

This defense is NOT headed in the right direction.

BloodBrother
01-15-2013, 08:02 PM
Guys, this team is in great shape, much better than a lot of other teams. We are sounding like spoiled fans

their arrow isn't pointing down. They were nearly the #2 seed this season and won their division(toughest division in the NFL might I add)

they have young and talented players on both sides of the ball. They have a few things left to fix but so does everybody else. Things change in the NFL in a hurry, but I trust TT, MM and Rodgers to keep this team as SB contenders going forward. They have shown to be excellent at drafting and developing.

There's turnover every year in the NFL. You can't keep everybody. TT knows this and drafts accordingly. The draft pick of Cobb didnt' make too much sense in 2011 considering the deep and talented WR corps they had, but it was likely made in anticipation of Jennings eventually leaving. The key is to replace a good player with a younger, cheaper and better one(obviously). TT has a pretty good track record in the draft so I'm not worried

they mainly need to fix the LB corps, and the plus side is 2 guys are returning to that group next year. Bishop is already proven to be a good ILB and Perry was a 1st round pick this year who has promise. They need some maulers in the interior of their OL, mainly at Center. Get a RB as well

ChezPower4
01-16-2013, 12:16 AM
[QUOTE=J-
Kaepernick had no problem at all figuring out what Capers' guys were doing out there.[/QUOTE]

Kaepernick killed the Packers with his legs. The LBs we had starting in this game don't have the speed to excel in Capers scheme (aside from Matthews). The Packers must bring in more speed at LB.

SuperPacker
01-16-2013, 12:52 AM
Maybe you think the SF game was a fluke. Or the week 1 SF game was a fluke. I don't, not on defense.

Okay, so we aren't the best team in the NFL. But that doesn;t mean anything. We will start next year with the chance of getting to the superbowl. what more can you ask for? apparently a guaranteed ever year is the only thing that will suffice with some of our fans.


Your opinion appears different than mine, than many Packer fans I've seen on other sites, or than Mike Vandermause, the editor of the Press-Gazette sports. http://www.greenbaypressgazette.com/usatoday/article/1829889&usatref=sportsmod

Which teams do you actually think are better than us in the NFC? the 49ers, yes. falcons? thats debatable. people are acting as though its an embarrassment to be one of the top teams in the nfc and its unbelievably annoying because of how spoilt it sounds.


You seem very offended by any criticism of the brand.... how would you make the dramatic changes to the defense?
Or are you saying you think the defense will dramatically improve on their own by happenstance?
Or is it your belief there is nothing wrong with this defense that has lost 3 playoff games in the past 4 years where they have allowed over 1500 yards and 40 points a game?

I'm not offended at people criticizing the brand, its why people are criticizing. because we lost to a good team in the divisional round of the playoffs. c'mon seriously? people are in uproar over this. it's just sad and pathetic that our fans expect us to be winning superbowls every year and if we dont its some sort of crisis.

how does our defense improve? getting better players. its pretty simple actually. and we will have the chance to improve the talent on our defense.


Instead of being sensitive towards my disgust with the defense costing us that dynasty that many had forecasted, how about you reveal your plan and idea.

you just said it yourself. you are disgusted at the packers not becoming the dynasty people had projected.

...

our fans have got to a stage where they will be disgusted by the lack of consistent super bowls....


Remember, we added a good 1st rd OLB with a good 2nd rd DL plus a good 3rd rd CB, and the defense still just put Kaepernick into the HOF.

nick perry and jerel worthy didn't play, so....

J-Mike88
01-16-2013, 03:32 PM
Here's a good article, thanks to our friends at ProFootballFocus, looking at the transition to 2013 for the Packers.

Obviously the cupboard is not bare.
But realistically, the defense has to take it up two levels.
Now staying healthy, getting good luck there instead of bad luck, that should put it up a notch itself.
But you can't bank on good luck with injuries with this team for some reason.

http://packersinsider.com/?p=5239