New York Mets

[Jughead10]

I agree those are definitely Omar moves but we couldn't get Piniero or someone else?

Apparently you waited too long to offer him. He already had the deal from the Angels by the time you guys got around to offering him a deal, and for him to come to you guys over the Angels he wanted a million more each year and the Mets let him go.

[Giantsfan1080]

Apparently you waited too long to offer him. He already had the deal from the Angels by the time you guys got around to offering him a deal, and for him to come to you guys over the Angels he wanted a million more each year and the Mets let him go.

Who knows he could just be saying it but I wouldn't be suprised. Anyway I don't care if Omar gets fired but I don't have faith we'll bring in the right guy anyway. Jerry needs to go immediately.

[Jughead10]

Who knows he could just be saying it but I wouldn't be suprised. Anyway I don't care if Omar gets fired but I don't have faith we'll bring in the right guy anyway. Jerry needs to go immediately.

Yeah who knows. I just heard from Heyman I think that by the time the Mets finally made an offer at 2 years 15 million, he already had the 16 million offer from the Angels. And then wanted more to come to the Mets and they never made the larger offer. But it sounded like had the Mets made that 2 for 15 offer earlier he would have signed. Who knows.

[Giantsfan1080]

It's very possible. I would have gave him that deal he would have fit in nicely. The thing is our defense on the right side is bad it might have hurt his GB a little but but Pelfrey hasn't had too many problems so far.

[MaxV]

Another great start by Gee.

And I think it's safe to say that our system has some power-hitting 1b Prospects. Ike Davis, Nick Evans, Zach Lutz and Lucas Duda all are hitting very well at the start of the season.

I hope they keep it going.

[Giantsfan1080]

Gee's line was great. I wonder how fast he's throwing right now. Davis is looking still as are the others you mentioned. Besides Gee our other pitchers aren't doing so well though. I hope Holt, Havens, Rustich, and the other injured guys can come back soon also.

[MaxV]

6 hits through 17 innings.

Ugh.

[Forenci]

The game from hell! Well if you like watching baseball..at least you got a full day of it..

[MaxV]

I went out with my girl after 9th. I thought that it would be decided when I came back.

At least our pitching looks good today.

[MaxV]

Yay, we can score runs against position players.

[Giantsfan1080]

It's pretty bad how we batted against the position players.

[Giantsfan1080]

Well we got rid of Jacobs but still a lot of other trash to go.

[Forenci]

So, sounds like Ike is coming up?

[MaxV]

It appears so. I hope he does well and sticks around.

Was that Maine's last shot?

[MaxV]

Good article about Mejia.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2010/04/19/2010-04-19_time_for_jenrry_to_start_again.html?page=1

This kid has better stuff then I thought. That 93 mph Cutter can be an absolutely NIGHTMARE for opposition hitters.

I had no idea he had that pitch. His 96 mph fastball, a nice curve and change would've been MORE then enough.

Such a great repertoire. Just let him harness it.

[Giantsfan1080]

I love Davis but I was hoping he'd stay in AAA for a few months to work out the remaining kinks in his game. I know we need a 1B in the worst way but I'd rather see Davis 100% ready as opposed to the 90% that he is.

[MaxV]

Yeah, that makes sense.

Unfortunately, as is the case in the Mejia situation, Jerry needs to save his job.

[Giantsfan1080]

Davis batting 6th tonight. Reyes with the game off.

[Forenci]

Sounds good to me! I was for him staying down longer but I'm quite excited to see him play everyday now.

[MaxV]

I'd like to see either Evans or Lutz move into Davis' spot, but unfortunately it'll probably be Jacobs.

[Giantsfan1080]

Great debut from Ike!!

[katnip]

I hope Ike's here to stay. Hopefully he can bat around .300 before Murphy's healthy again. Even though I like both

[Giantsfan1080]

I hope Ike's here to stay. Hopefully he can bat around .300 before Murphy's healthy again. Even though I like both

I think you can stick a fork in Murphy as our starting 1B. He's going to be a platoon player off the bench from now on.

[MaxV]

Is it just me or do we need to go heavy with pitching in this upcoming draft?

Seems like our system is significantly deep with position players then with pitchers.

Every position has at least a couple of interesting youngsters. We are especially deep with middle infielders and 1b.

Pitching wise, we have some talented guys, but most of them are struggling with command. Not counting Mejia, Dillon Gee is the only one who has been impressive so far. We'll see what Holt does once he comes back.




Ok, my 9,999 post is about Mets' prospects. Now what should my 10,000 post be about? :)

[Jughead10]

I think you can stick a fork in Murphy as our starting 1B. He's going to be a platoon player off the bench from now on.

Where do you plan on platooning a lefty batter without a position?

[Giantsfan1080]

Where do you plan on platooning a lefty batter without a position?

He can still play all around the corner OF spots, 1b, 3B, and work at 2B some more.

[Giantsfan1080]

Is it just me or do we need to go heavy with pitching in this upcoming draft?

Seems like our system is significantly deep with position players then with pitchers.

Every position has at least a couple of interesting youngsters. We are especially deep with middle infielders and 1b.

Pitching wise, we have some talented guys, but most of them are struggling with command. Not counting Mejia, Dillon Gee is the only one who has been impressive so far. We'll see what Holt does once he comes back.




Ok, my 9,999 post is about Mets' prospects. Now what should my 10,000 post be about? :)

BPA at every spot except for the 1st round. I want a pitcher in the 1st as I always do.

[Jughead10]

He can still play all around the corner OF spots, 1b, 3B, and work at 2B some more.

What have you seen that makes you think he can play anywhere but 1B? Whose going to the bench at any of those spots to make him a platoon player? What he should do is go to the minors and actually try and learn to play any one of those positions to make himself useful.

[Giantsfan1080]

What have you seen that makes you think he can play anywhere but 1B? Whose going to the bench at any of those spots to make him a platoon player? What he should do is go to the minors and actually try and learn to play any one of those positions to make himself useful.

Yeah that's what I'm saying. He was fine in the OF in 08 and he still showed decent range. 09 was a disaster and then it snowballed on him. If a player needs a day off he can fill in at a spot if neccesary and still be a good bat off the bench. I want him to go to AAA to work on the positions more when he gets healthy.

[Giantsfan1080]

Man when Kirk gets in a hot streak it's light out for the other team. Yesterday he was 5-4 4 R, 2 2B, 1 HR, and 4 RBI. Today so far he's 1-3 with another 2B. Lutz is on fire hitting his 5th HR of the year this afternoon.

[MaxV]

Nice Houdini act by Pelfrey.

David is really struggling right now. I'm concerned.

In the Minors, Familia with a good start. I've been looking forward to seeing St. Lucie rotation the most, but they've struggled with command so far.

What happened to Holt? Injured again?

[Giantsfan1080]

Holt just got back on Saturday. They didn't want him throwing that much so I think he went 3 innings. I have no idea when Havens will be back though.

The St. Lucie rotation has been not as advertised but Familia and Allen had decent starts their last time out.

Flores has been great all year and if he keeps this up for another month he'll probably get bumped up to St. Lucie.

Fuller is now on my radar as a Dillon Gee type. His stuff is average but he seems to have good command.

I'm not worried about Wright yet. He is as streaky a hitter as they come now so I think he'll get it back together. He had a great first 2 weeks so we'll see.

[MaxV]

I'm not worried about Wright yet. He is as streaky a hitter as they come now so I think he'll get it back together. He had a great first 2 weeks so we'll see.

Yeah, I know.

He is a hitter that waits for the ball longer then most, which is exactly why he hits the ball the other way very well and draws a lot of walks.

But his bat speed has to always be top notch. Recently, he has been late on pitches too much.

I hope he solves it soon.

[MaxV]

BTW, another prospect is making noise in AA, Jose De La Torre.

He's only 5'-9" 170 and, at 24, he's a bit old for AA, but from what I've read, he has very impressive stuff.

[Giantsfan1080]

Torre seems to have had some injury problems. If we need help in the bullpen the 2nd half of the season I'm hoping he'll be someone we look at if he continues to do well.

[MaxV]

Nice win.

I hope this is a sign of things to come from Maine. If we can get good outing out of all our starters consistently, that would be awesome.

[Giantsfan1080]

Nice win.

I hope this is a sign of things to come from Maine. If we can get good outing out of all our starters consistently, that would be awesome.

Nothing to saylately except I hope Mejia goes down when Igarashi comes back. I know he's been doing well but still no reason to have him up. I think Parnell can do just as well in this mop up duty.

[Giantsfan1080]

When do you think we should promote Flores?

[MaxV]

No reason to rush him.

I would promote him towards the later part of the season.

[MaxV]

Great win. Niese with a strong start and the bats are alive. I hope we keep it up.

In the minors, a trend is developing, our hitting prospects are doing really well but our pitching prospects are struggling.

Case and point, Holt and Havens both played today. Havens did well, Holt got smoked.

As I've said before, next draft needs to be pitching heavy.

[Giantsfan1080]

Great win. Niese with a strong start and the bats are alive. I hope we keep it up.

In the minors, a trend is developing, our hitting prospects are doing really well but our pitching prospects are struggling.

Case and point, Holt and Havens both played today. Havens did well, Holt got smoked.

As I've said before, next draft needs to be pitching heavy.

As I just said in the MLB thread Niese and Mejia have great curves. It's so fun to watch them drop in and bucle the hitter. I hope Havens can stay healthy now.

[Giantsfan1080]

So I was looking back for the old 2006 Mets threads to remember some good times but it's gone I think. Does anyone know if they deleted it? I'm sure we all lost a lot of posts from that haha.

[MaxV]

So I was looking back for the old 2006 Mets threads to remember some good times but it's gone I think. Does anyone know if they deleted it? I'm sure we all lost a lot of posts from that haha.

I remember that thread. EPIC!

I think Scott restructured the forum since then and the old threads are gone, but the post counts were retained.

[MaxV]

BTW GF, I was doing some research on the prospects for the 2010 MLB draft. This draft class seems a bit underwhelming.

It seems like most prospects with top-tier upsides are still raw, while polished prospects have limited upside.

A lot of Mets fans seem to want Whitson. From the scouting report, he seems to project to more like a #2 then an ace.

Cole's name keeps on popping up. He has great stuff, but needs work on command.

And Mets organization seems to struggle a bit teaching command (Allen, Familia, etc.).

What do you think?

[Giantsfan1080]

I remember that thread. EPIC!

I think Scott restructured the forum since then and the old threads are gone, but the post counts were retained.

Well there are older threads than that one which are still around so I wasn't sure.

[Giantsfan1080]

BTW GF, I was doing some research on the prospects for the 2010 MLB draft. This draft class seems a bit underwhelming.

It seems like most prospects with top-tier upsides are still raw, while polished prospects have limited upside.

A lot of Mets fans seem to want Whitson. From the scouting report, he seems to project to more like a #2 then an ace.

Cole's name keeps on popping up. He has great stuff, but needs work on command.

And Mets organization seems to struggle a bit teaching command (Allen, Familia, etc.).

What do you think?

I'm just starting to really get into the players and upsides and stuff. As of now I think I want Cole or Covey at 7. It seems like Machado or Colon might be the pick as well. Whitson I wouldn't mind either. I really have no idea though right now as I'm all over the map.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Draft should be interesting. I think there's little doubt we draft a pitcher that can be ready soon though.

[MaxV]

Draft should be interesting. I think there's little doubt we draft a pitcher that can be ready soon though.

I hope so. I want us to get several high-ceiling arms out of this draft.

I've heard we are pretty high on the two SS prospects, Machado and Colon.

[MaxV]

Another talented teenage prospect made his debut in St. Lucie yesterday, Wilfredo Tovar.

18 year-old SS got a base hit, stole a base and made a great defensive play.

Our system isn't short on talented position players. Now, pitching on the other hand....

[Giantsfan1080]

I heard they also like Grandal though I'm not sure where he's from.

I was suprised to see Tovar up in St. Lucie yesterday but it was nice for him to do well in his debut. Wilmer Flores keep tearing it up also which I love to see. Let him put up crazy numbers for 4 months then move him up.

[Giantsfan1080]

Cat DFA'd and Carter called up. Finally a real bat off the bench.

[MaxV]

Finally. It should've happened weeks ago.

But what will happen to Carter when Murphy comes back?

They better not demote Davis.

[Giantsfan1080]

Haha now Davis is here to stay. Murphy will probably go to AAA depending on what Carter is doing. GMJ is the next to go I hope.

[Forenci]

Haha now Davis is here to stay. Murphy will probably go to AAA depending on what Carter is doing. GMJ is the next to go I hope.

Indeed. Hopefully Omar keeps the momentum going and tells Jerry that GMJ is finished. I think when he inevitably gets DFA'd we'll see Pridie brought up. He's been pretty solid in AAA thus far.

Sounds like Murphy will be learning to be a super sub in AAA, btw. They want him to learn second base more, left field, first, third.

In minors news, looks like Tejada is destroying the ball now. Had a superb game last night and is hitting over .300 now. He's our future second basemen if you ask me. I'm really excited about Flores though. He is tearing up the league.

[Giantsfan1080]

Flores has me very happy.

[MaxV]

Obviously Flores ceiling is MUCH higher then Tejada's, but Wilmer might outgrow middle infield.

I hope not, he could have A MONSTER bat for 2b.

[Giantsfan1080]

No shot in hell Wilmer ever sniffs 2B. It'll be Tejada, Havens, or someone from another team.

[MaxV]

Don't count out Tovar or Valdespin.

[Giantsfan1080]

Don't count out Tovar or Valdespin.

Way to early for me to think about Tovar haha. Valdespin I'm not sure considering all his problems.

Oh yeah Fernando screwed up his hammy again and is going on the DL. He's Mr. Glass.

[Giantsfan1080]

Mejia is going back down to AA. YAY!!!

[Jughead10]

Mejia is going back down to AA. YAY!!!

Is this to make room for the immortal RA Dickey? Do you have to make another move on the 40 man to open a spot for him?

[Giantsfan1080]

Is this to make room for the immortal RA Dickey? Do you have to make another move on the 40 man to open a spot for him?

Dickey has been decent since he started throwing the knuckler. This year he's been very good in AAA. Dicley does have to be added to the 40 man though. Sounds like we'll send Mejia down for Dickey and then Acosta down for Igarashi this weekend.

[MaxV]

They should let Gary Matthews Jr. go. He sucks. Pridie is better.

I hope Mejia gets back on his development track and becomes the pitcher he SHOULD be.

[Giantsfan1080]

And in bad news Stephen Matz needs Tommy John. Gone till 2012 probably.

[MaxV]

And in bad news Stephen Matz needs Tommy John. Gone till 2012 probably.

Mets' top pick.

Figures.

[Giantsfan1080]

Hopefully Urbina picks up the slack.

[MaxV]

Lots of Mets fans are high on Dotson too.

[Giantsfan1080]

Lots of Mets fans are high on Dotson too.

Yeah that's very true. Him also then. Hopefully we make a great pick at 7 as well.

[Giantsfan1080]

Takahashi!!!

[MaxV]

I hope we keep this up. Possibly having 4 good starters in the rotation could certainly keep us competitive. I hope bats are waking up also.

In the minors, good signs from Kyle Allen and Eddie Kunz. Familia did ok in his last outing also.

Kirk Nieuwenhuis is really talented prospect, but his walk/strikeout ratio is a concern.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Have to be excited at this point. Hopefully things keep up.

[Giantsfan1080]

Omar made some pretty good minor signings this year in Taka, Igarashi, Dickey and some others. Getting Pagan back last year looks more and more of a steal as well. These little moves remind me of the ones Omar made in 06 like Valentin and Oliver.

[Giantsfan1080]

I hope we keep this up. Possibly having 4 good starters in the rotation could certainly keep us competitive. I hope bats are waking up also.

In the minors, good signs from Kyle Allen and Eddie Kunz. Familia did ok in his last outing also.

Kirk Nieuwenhuis is really talented prospect, but his walk/strikeout ratio is a concern.

What would your Top 10 look like right now without Davis and Mejia? I'm hoping they send Mejia down soon still but as of now let's say he's not a prospect.

[MaxV]

What would your Top 10 look like right now without Davis and Mejia? I'm hoping they send Mejia down soon still but as of now let's say he's not a prospect.

I'll give it a try:

1. Wilmer Flores (SS)
2. Fernando Martinez (OF)
3. Kirk Nieuwenhuis (OF)
4. Reese Havens (2b)
5. Jeurys Familia (SP)
6. Ruben Tejada (2b/SS)
7. Kyle Allen (SP)
8. Zach Lutz (3b)
9. Josh Thole (C)
10. Cesar Puello (OF)

[Giantsfan1080]

Not bad I have no idea what mine would look like right now. Sucks that Lutz is going to be out a while with an injury.

[Forenci]

I hope we keep this up. Possibly having 4 good starters in the rotation could certainly keep us competitive. I hope bats are waking up also.

In the minors, good signs from Kyle Allen and Eddie Kunz. Familia did ok in his last outing also.

Kirk Nieuwenhuis is really talented prospect, but his walk/strikeout ratio is a concern.

Familia has been really unlucky. His ground ball percentage is 60%, which is absolutely insane. If he can play for a team with better defense I feel he will be studly.

[MaxV]

Yeah, that's why Familia is in my top 5. He's a talented pitcher.

His command is still a work in progress, but his stuff is already good and he is still projectable.

[MaxV]

Man, we just can't play on the road.

Good signs from Holt in today's start.

[Giantsfan1080]

Manuel sucks. We win despite him.

[Forenci]

Yes. One day we will learn to stop hitting crappy second basemen in the two hole....one day.

Still. Santana was awesome. Santana, Reyes, Ike, and Pagan are probably my three favorite players on the Mets right now.

By the way, Angel Pagan is the best defensive center fielder in baseball, according to defensive metrics.

[Giantsfan1080]

Yeah he's also 3rd best in WAR in the NL coming into today. How can you not have Pelfrey and Wright also? I don't care how bad Wright is doing right now he still means a lot.

[Forenci]

Yeah he's also 3rd best in WAR in the NL coming into today. How can you now have Pelfrey and Wright also? I don't care how bad Wright is doing right now he still means a lot.

Oh, I forgot about Pelf. Not having Wright as a 'favorite' has nothing to do with his struggles now, though. I like him and defend him against morons who think we should trade him, but he's just never been one of my favorite players.

He's like Bay to me. Very nice guy, but he's not on of my favorites.

If I had to choose just one player as a favorite it would be Reyes. He's so exciting and I love his passion for the game.

[Giantsfan1080]

Oh, I forgot about Pelf. Not having Wright as a 'favorite' has nothing to do with his struggles now, though. I like him and defend him against morons who think we should trade him, but he's just never been one of my favorite players.

He's like Bay to me. Very nice guy, but he's not on of my favorites.

If I had to choose just one player as a favorite it would be Reyes. He's so exciting and I love his passion for the game.

As you know I like Reyes and Wright the same. Wright is not Bay though. He's homegrown and grew up as a Mets fan which makes it even better. He's been a great Met through his early career as well.

[Giantsfan1080]

So we finally do the right thing and cut GMJ. But of course since we did that we had to countteract with a bad move. We called up Omir Santos.

[MaxV]

He'll be our backup Center fielder?

[Giantsfan1080]

Reeses Havens had his 2nd multi HR game this week. Even though I like Tejada I think Havens is our answer at 2B long term.

[Forenci]

Reeses Havens had his 2nd multi HR game this week. Even though I like Tejada I think Havens is our answer at 2B long term.

Ruben Tejada disagrees with you!

I prefer Tejada. Far superior defender, doubles power (should have had a HR today, stupid Citi Field dimensions), and he is a disciplined hitter. Plus Tejada isn't injury prone like Havens.

Oh and Tejada is three years younger. Either way, the future is bright at second base regardless who sticks their.

[MaxV]

I don't think Tejada will ever develop the power that Havens has.

Defensively yes, but as a hitter, Havens definitely has more upside.

[Forenci]

I don't disagree but Havens still has a lot to prove, where as Tejada has already proven he can hit AAA at an effective level at the age of 20.

Havens likely won't be ready until 2011 so Tejada has that edge on him at least for now.

[Giantsfan1080]

I like Tejada a lot since but I just think Havens might be the eventual answer. That's no knock on Ruben at all.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I'd be interested to know just how good Havens is defensively. Tejada is going to be out of this world good, but if Havens is a solid-good defender with a better bat, he's probably your choice.

[MaxV]

I'd be interested to know just how good Havens is defensively. Tejada is going to be out of this world good, but if Havens is a solid-good defender with a better bat, he's probably your choice.

Check out what BA thinks of Havens:

Eric K (Chicago): What can you tell me about Reese Havens?


Matthew Eddy: Lefty-hitting second sacker with above-average power for the position. Not a lot of speed, and probably more of a .260 hitter with plenty of walks. Enough range to play up the middle but not a Gold Glove contender.


http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/prospect-hot-sheet/2010/2610130.html

[MaxV]

As for the draft, the anticipation is killing me.

[Giantsfan1080]

Havens or Tejada can also be a very nice trade piece if we decide to make a move. If we do that I hope we trade the right one though.

[Giantsfan1080]

As for the draft, the anticipation is killing me.

Me too. 10 more hours!!!

[MaxV]

Me too. 10 more hours!!!

What would be your list?

My top 20 is:

1. Bryce Harper (C/OF) - Jeez, we'll have to deal with Nats and their monsters now too. :(
2. Jameson Taillon (RHP)
3. Manny Machado (SS)
4. Chris Sale (LHP)
5. Deck McGuire (RHP) - Among the prospects that are expected to be available, he's my favorite.
6. Karsten Whitson (RHP)
7. Stetson Allie (RHP) - If Omar is willing to go with raw potential, I want this guy.
8. Michael Choice (OF) - Not a typical College prospect. He has a big upside, but his K rate might be an issue in the pros.
9. Josh Sale (OF)
10. Dylan Covey (RHP)
11. Drew Pomeranz (LHP) - I'm not as high on him as most. His command could be a significant issue against more patient pro lineups.
12. Yasmani Grandal (C) - I want the Mets to get a stud young catcher so badly.
13. Justin O'Conner (C) - See above, except this kid is still really raw.
14. Zack Cox (3b) - Maybe I'm a bit unfair to him. He's not my favorite, but I guess he wouldn't be a terrible choice.
15. Matt Harvey (RHP) - Great stuff, mediocre command. He could be great if he figures it out, but I don't know about him.
16. Christian Colon (SS) - See Zack Cox.
17. AJ Cole (RHP)
18. Brandon Workman (RHP) - underrated pitching prospect imo.
19. Austin Wilson (OF) - HUGE ceiling, but he's also a very raw player.
20. Asher Wojciechowski (RHP) - I'm intrigued by his fastball/slider combination, but a lack of 3rd pitch is really holding him back.

[Giantsfan1080]

Honestly I've never been so back and forth on a baseball draft before. I literally have no idea who I want haha. It's been weird. I really don't know who I want right now.

[MaxV]

I'm with you on that.

A couple of weeks ago, I actually wasn't much of a fan of McGuire, but now I like him more then Pomeranz.

But I really don't see a big difference between 4-16 on my list.

[Giantsfan1080]

Yeah I think the only player I really don't want is Cox. He was growing on me but I've read a lot of stuff that has really turned me off.

[Giantsfan1080]

Matt Harvey is the pick. I like it more so than everyone else we were hearing. I'd like to sign him early and get him to Brooklyn.

[MaxV]

Well. Another raw power arm. We already have several of those that are struggling with command.

I hope Harvey can develop. He is VERY talented.

It's time for our Minor League instructors to earn their pay.

[Giantsfan1080]

I don't think Harvey is that raw at all. He just needs to work on his mechanics which will get the command in order.

[MaxV]

I've read that his motion consistency is the biggest issue. I hope he figures it out.

I'd like to see a future rotation of:

Pelfrey
Harvey
Mejia
Niese

Assuming all reach their potential of course.

[Giantsfan1080]

I've read that his motion consistency is the biggest issue. I hope he figures it out.

I'd like to see a future rotation of:

Pelfrey
Harvey
Mejia
Niese

Assuming all reach their potential of course.

Where do I sign up for that?

[MaxV]

Blake Forsythe, c Tennessee

Power, patience and plus arm. I'm intrigued. The high strikeout rate is a concern though.

[MaxV]

So far, as usual, I'm underwhelmed by the Mets draft.

They picked some raw, high-ceiling players, but they are college players. If you go with raw talent, go with younger players.

I love the Akeel Morris pick. He's a 17-year-old power pitcher from Virgin Islands. I hope we can sign him.

Sheppard has a great fastball, but was a reliever in college and will probably be one in the pros also.

I hope Blake Forsythe develops. He has the tools to be a good all-around catcher.

Vaughn is a five-tool player, but even being tutored by Tony Gwynn isn't helping his contact rate.

[Giantsfan1080]

Just caught up with all our picks since I was at work. Not liking the draft at all. Only 1 HS player? Really Mets?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Just caught up with all our picks since I was at work. Not liking the draft at all. Only 1 HS player? Really Mets?


2 I think. I didn't love this draft by any stretch, but it did appear to be a step in the right direction. It would have been nice to have had another wow pick (AJ Cole)

[Giantsfan1080]

2 I think. I didn't love this draft by any stretch, but it did appear to be a step in the right direction. It would have been nice to have had another wow pick (AJ Cole)

At the time I posed that it was 1 but yeah it ended up being 2. II agree at least some of the college players we took have some nice upside as to all polished guys. Leaps and bounds better than the RP draft that was led by Kunz 3 years ago. Maybe tomorrow we'll take some toolsy HS'ers and sign a couple.

[Forenci]

I actually thing we've done a nice job drafting thus far. I agree that I'd like to see us take some more high school players with upside, but we've drafted a lot of overslot players with some big upside thus far.

I'll be interested to see how many of them we sign.

On another interesting note I believe I actually batted against Matt Harvey in high school. He went to Fitch HS in Groton, Connecticut, which is a rival school to where I went to HS.

Just thought that was pretty cool.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I actually thing we've done a nice job drafting thus far. I agree that I'd like to see us take some more high school players with upside, but we've drafted a lot of overslot players with some big upside thus far.




Just curious as to what picks you liked. I thought this draft was mostly terrible to be honest. Liked a couple picks but not much else.

[Giantsfan1080]

I liked Dan Dekker, Peavey, Morris, and Pugh, and some of the HS'ers we just took I hope we can sign as well.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I liked Dan Dekker, Peavey, Morris, and Pugh, and some of the HS'ers we just took I hope we can sign as well.



I'd add Eric Goeddel and DJ Johnson. And that's pretty much it. Haven't been following much today, but didn't see anything too noteworthy.

[Giantsfan1080]

I'd add Eric Goeddel and DJ Johnson. And that's pretty much it. Haven't been following much today, but didn't see anything too noteworthy.

Basically we took 2 HS'ers that sounds good but will probably never sign. One of them was the younger brother of a player that we took yesterday. I defend the Mets a lot but one think I totally can't stand is the way we draft. I do like the Harvey pick this year but everything else is so uninspired. It's by far the worst thing we do as an organization. I still don't know how Davis turned out how he did.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Basically we took 2 HS'ers that sounds good but will probably never sign. One of them was the younger brother of a player that we took yesterday. I defend the Mets a lot but one think I totally can't stand is the way we draft. I do like the Harvey pick this year but everything else is so uninspired. It's by far the worst thing we do as an organization. I still don't know how Davis turned out how he did.



Pete Miller? Committed to FSU, only possibly interesting kid I saw.

[Forenci]

Just curious as to what picks you liked. I thought this draft was mostly terrible to be honest. Liked a couple picks but not much else.

Mostly the guys you and GF listed.

It's not the way I'd draft, but it's not as bad as it's been in years past I'd say. At least we did take some guys who are overslot players, even if we don't sign them. Which we probably won't.

I just like the fact we picked some toolsy type players who are high upside, albeit with some issues to work out.

Seems like usually we go all out trying to build a 'contender for Brooklyn' but at the very least we took some college players who have more upside rather than purely being guys who can fill out and win at Brooklyn.

My philosophy of course would be to take more HS players with upside, rather than college players. Would have loved to see us take AJ Cole, as you mentioned ATL, but I doubt we hand out the overslot money to get him signed.

I love Matt Den Dekker. I actually did see him play a few times on ESPN/CBSC, and he really jumped off the screen with his defensive prowess.

[MaxV]

We've also drafted Johnny Franco's kid, JJ.

Not much info on the HS kids we've drafted recently. But I still would like to sign them. You never know.

I've mentioned the players that I like earlier. I would also add 3b Brian Harrison.

[Giantsfan1080]

Den Dekker is my favorite college player from this draft besides Harvey which isn't really that big of a suprise.

[MaxV]

He's a solid choice. I like that pick.

Goeddel could be a GREAT pick also, but it'll probably going to be very difficult to sign him. As a matter of fact, I've read that his family is VERY rich and he really doesn't need money.

He is expected to be moved to starting rotation by UCLA next year and could be drafted MUCH earlier in the next year's draft.

If we are to sign him, we'll probably need to promise him a shot at starting.

[Giantsfan1080]

I know I said this draft wasn't as bad as the RP draft but it might be. The more I think about it the more I pissed I get. It might be slightly better but I'm so sick of the way we go about things here.

[Forenci]

I know I said this draft wasn't as bad as the RP draft but it might be. The more I think about it the more I pissed I get. It might be slightly better but I'm so sick of the way we go about things here.

All depends on if we sign some overslots or not. We took some really promising overslot guys who are firmly committed to colleges, but if we did dole out the money the draft wouldn't be half bad.

Again though, we would have to pay them. And again, I don't see it happening.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I know I said this draft wasn't as bad as the RP draft but it might be. The more I think about it the more I pissed I get. It might be slightly better but I'm so sick of the way we go about things here.



I agree. We took a bunch of people who project as middle relievers and a bunch of toolsy but college players that have a long way to go. That's just not going to work.


And Forenci, we must probably won't sign any more than one promising kid from today. From what I've read, Pugh should sign. However, we'll probably miss out on Goeddel and Morris we'll find a way to **** up on.

[MaxV]

I really want us to sign SS Brock Stewart also. We'll probably sign his older brother, maybe that will help.

At 6'-3" 170, he is very projectable, already has power and is athletic. He sounds like a VERY talented prospect.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

“It’s late in the draft, so I’m definitely going to go to school still,” he said. “But it’s really an honor to see my name in there and be respected as a professional (caliber) baseball player. It’s awesome. It’s something I’ve dreamt of ever since I was little.”

-Brock Stewart

[Giantsfan1080]

Great....Hopefully Miller hasn't said anything similar. I just don't get why we do things this way. Look at Niese who we took early and gave him overslot money. Paying huge dividends right now.

[MaxV]

Mets have a good track record with HS players.

David Wright, Jon Niese, AJ Burnett, Scott Kazmir, Preston Wilson, Lastings Milledge were all Mets' pick out of HS.

Nick Evans and Mike Carp also have MLB experience and might still make careers for themselves.

Several of our top current prospects (Thole, Allen, Carson, Stinson) were HS picks also.

[Giantsfan1080]

Ehh Milledge sucks. I was wrong about him. Also, I wouldn't include Stinson as one of our top prospects. Just nitpicking though.

[MaxV]

I agree on Milledge. But I disagree on Stinson.

He could be a sleeper in our system.

I seem to remember liking the scouting report that I read about him after he was drafted.

I think he throws a low-90s sinker. As is the case with many sinker pitchers, not great strikeout numbers, but he is young for AA and the league is batting just .205 against him. Great outing today.

[Giantsfan1080]

Well I'll keep more of an eye on him since you have a good feeling for these things.

[Forenci]

I agree. We took a bunch of people who project as middle relievers and a bunch of toolsy but college players that have a long way to go. That's just not going to work.


And Forenci, we must probably won't sign any more than one promising kid from today. From what I've read, Pugh should sign. However, we'll probably miss out on Goeddel and Morris we'll find a way to **** up on.

Well I totally agree. If we did sign Goddell/Morris/etc. the draft wouldn't be half bad, but the chance of it happening is extremely slim.

[Giantsfan1080]

Anyway I'm still giddy about Niese's start tonight. Going to be great to watch him Pelfrey, Mejia, and Harvey haha.

[MaxV]

How many Mets' 1-hitters do I have to endure in my lifetime?

I still haven't gotten over the Glendon Rusch one against the Red Sox, where the only hit was Trot Nixon's bunt single in the 1st inning.

Trot Nixon????? Bunting for a hit???? Ugggh.

[MaxV]

And about Niese:

Well, this is yet another case of BaseballAmerica and all other publications such as them falling in love with the radar gun and not seeing the whole repertoire.

Sure Jon doesn't light up the radar gun, but his stuff is legit. None of his pitches are straight and that cutter of his is becoming a real weapon.

[Giantsfan1080]

How many Mets' 1-hitters do I have to endure in my lifetime?

I still haven't gotten over the Glendon Rusch one against the Red Sox, where the only hit was Trot Nixon's bunt single in the 1st inning.

Trot Nixon????? Bunting for a hit???? Ugggh.

Haha there's been so many. Like I said I'm suprise that Galaragga thing did't happen to us. Wasn't Bobby Jones' game in the playoff against the Giants a 1 hitter?

[MaxV]

Yeap, it was.

Estes, of all people, had one too. Alain Soler also, I think.

[Forenci]

And about Niese:

Well, this is yet another case of BaseballAmerica and all other publications such as them falling in love with the radar gun and not seeing the whole repertoire.

Sure Jon doesn't light up the radar gun, but his stuff is legit. None of his pitches are straight and that cutter of his is becoming a real weapon.

I really like Niese. The knock on him (before his cutter developed) was that his fastball was too straight, which it is. His cutter is really the equalizer though. Hitters can't just tee off on his four seamer because of it. I'd like to see Niese throw a few more changes ups, to be honest. I know he was locked in, but the one he threw later in the game was nasty.

[Giantsfan1080]

His change is his 4th pitch which is really saying something. His curve is also a great pitch. I really thought his upside was a #3 pitcher but his repertoire might suggest otherwise at this point. Maybe more of a #2.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

That cutter really has been a saving grace. I didn't think he'd amount to all that much without it.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Akeel Morris, a 17-year-old CAHS pitcher, was picked by the New York Mets in the 10th round. James Sneed, a left-handed outfielder at St. Croix’s Educational Complex, was drafted by the Anaheim Angels in the 14th round.

Canton said that Blash and Sneed have not decided whether they will sign, and Morris is planning to play this summer on a traveling team in Florida in hopes that his performance will attract a better offer.

Players have until Aug. 15 to negotiate their contracts.

Asked at a press conference Wednesday what would determine whether he signs, Morris said, “The money has to be good, and, really, the money has to be good.”

[MaxV]

At least he's considering signing.

[Giantsfan1080]

Ehh this can really turn even uglier.

As for Niese yeah that cutter really is what made him take it to another level.

[MaxV]

Goddell has signed to play in a summer league.

That usually indicates that a player is hoping to improve the offer on the table. Meaning that he hasn't completely ruled out the possibility of signing.

I hope we sign him.

[MaxV]

Fernando with a game-winning Grand Slam in the 9th. Thole with a 3-3 and a HR night also.

[Giantsfan1080]

Fernando with a game-winning Grand Slam in the 9th. Thole with a 3-3 and a HR night also.

You're going to think I'm nuts but deal them for Oswalt ASAP. Throw in a lower league pitcher if you have too.

[MaxV]

You're going to think I'm nuts but deal them for Oswalt ASAP. Throw in a lower league pitcher if you have too.

Well, I don't think we can, even if we wanted to. Oswalt doesn't seem to want to waive his no-trade clause to come to the Mets.

We might get Lee with the right package, but I don't want to give up top prospects for a 1-year rental.

Actually, I'm willing to stay put as far as starting rotation. 1-4 we are in good shape and I think Taka can be a solid #5 for us.

However, I do think we can use a good 8th inning setup guy, we don't have one currently.

I also want an upgrade over Castillo at 2b, but I'm not sure how likely that is.

[MaxV]

Another thing on my wish list is Carter getting some starts in the OF (and against RH pitching).

We hit Lefties VERY well as a team, but more vulnerable vs. righties. Even Davis is struggling vs. RHP.

Carter can definitely give us a big boost there.

But again, Jerry is firmly committed to Frechy and Bay.

[Giantsfan1080]

A Mets player said Oswalt now wants to come to the Mets so take that for what it's worth.

We're great against LP so we need some who can hit righties.

[MaxV]

Looks like Mets have signed Akeel Morris.

I hope he develops. Definitely one of my favorite picks.

[Giantsfan1080]

Very nice to see.

[MaxV]

Taka NEEDS to be in the rotation.

[MaxV]

Mejia to AA, Parnell up.

http://www.nydailynews.com/blogs/mets/2010/06/mejia-sent-to-double-a-to-star.html

I hope Jenrry can improve command of all his pitches and Parnell can give us a boost out of the bullpen.

[Giantsfan1080]

I've never been so happy after a loss.

[Forenci]

Very nice. This may actually work out in the end. Mejia may end up saving his arm in the long run by getting less innings had he started in the minors most of the year.

[Giantsfan1080]

Very nice. This may actually work out in the end. Mejia may end up saving his arm in the long run by getting less innings had he started in the minors most of the year.

While this may be true I really hope they had an innings limit on him for the year anyway.

[Forenci]

Probably. Still, at least now he can work on his secondary offerings with out Jerry telling him to 'throw more fastballs!'.

[Forenci]

So Reese Havens was injured again recently? Sigh.

This is why I really think Tejada is the future at second base. He's got good plate discipline for a young hitter (as does Havens, mind you) and he can be a gold glove caliber defender at second. I think given a few years Tejada will prove to be a solid major league hitter as well. He won't have a ton of HR power but at Citi Field I can easily see him being a doubles and triple machine.

Also, Flores promoted to St. Lucie? Nice!

[Giantsfan1080]

It'a shame Havens has been hurt so much because he could be playing 2B for us already if not. Health is a big factor but in the long run he offers more than Tejada will. I like Tejada but Havens is the better player.

As for the Flores promotion I would have waited. He's been in a terrible slump and I would have kept him in Savannah untill he heated up again. I think the Mets FO probably feels he's bored in Low A and that the promotion will jump start him again.

[Forenci]

He might be slumping a bit but I noted an another forum that despite the hitting slump his K% hasn't increased at all.

I think he'll do well in the FSL.

Just editing because I do not wish to double post but Juan Urbina pitched well today I believe.

[Giantsfan1080]

Urbina had a great debut. BA had a nice tweet about him also.

[Forenci]

Aderlin Rodriguez, you are ridiculous. 2 HR's, hah.

Gilbert Gomez has been a name who's been popping up a ton lately too on the prospect front. A big center fielder (6'3) who could potentially grow into his body more and last year had an absurd amount of walks. 50 BB's to 59 K's in 239 AB's. Also swiped 35 bags, for what it's worth. Plate discipline like that at his age is absurd.

[Giantsfan1080]

That whole OF is going to be great to watch. Gomez should be a big riser on prospect lists as should Aderlin. we need a boost from these guys with the graduation if Davis and Niese.

[MaxV]

Ok, I went to Niagara for 2 days and all of this happened.

[Giantsfan1080]

So I think it's clear we need a SP. Who do we want? Who should we give up? Any "untouchable" prospects to you guys?

[MaxV]

So I think it's clear we need a SP. Who do we want? Who should we give up? Any "untouchable" prospects to you guys?

I don't know, man. I REALLY don't want to overspend.

Ideally, I would want Taka in the bullpen and have another good starter, but not if we have to go all out.

As far as untouchables:

Wright
Pelfrey
Reyes
Davis
Niese
Wilmer
Mejia

I also don't want to trade Fernando and Havens for various reasons. Fernando's trade value at this point isn't very high and I still believe that he can be a good one. And I have visions of Havens being our 2b.

[Forenci]

That seems like a good list. I wouldn't trade Fernando for the reason you mentioned, but also because I have difficulty trading guys with superstar potential, even if he is injury prone.

I also wouldn't trade Pagan or Beltran, but that's probably just me.

[Giantsfan1080]

I would deal Beltran in the offseason. 1 year left on his contract and getting up there in age.

[MaxV]

It really depends on asking price.

And I wouldn't hesitate on trading for Lee, even if we lose him in the off-season.

He's a Type A Free Agent, with a two 1st rounders as compensation. That's your return right there.

[Giantsfan1080]

Two 1st rounders at the end of the round though.

[MaxV]

That's where we got David Wright.

[Forenci]

I would deal Beltran in the offseason. 1 year left on his contract and getting up there in age.

I would, but only if Jeff Francoeur was gone.

[Giantsfan1080]

David Wright's don't come along very often especially with the way we draft now.

[Forenci]

I'd like to also point out for all the talk about Havens being a better hitter with more power that Tejada should have two home runs if it wasn't for the moronic design of the walls at Citi.

Now that said, Havens obviously has more pop but I think Tejada's ability to gett XBH's is underrated and as he gets older will be able to rack up some doubles and triples. Perhaps a few HR's too from what we've seen so far.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I would deal Beltran in the offseason. 1 year left on his contract and getting up there in age.



I'd love to deal him, but it won't happen.

[Giantsfan1080]

Are you warming up to this team yet ATL?

[MaxV]

Wilmer with a 4-hit day. A sign of things to come, I hope.

[Giantsfan1080]

Excellent game from Wilmer. Wonder where he eventually winds up.

[Forenci]

Excellent game from Wilmer. Wonder where he eventually winds up.

The Hall of Fame! duh!

Only half-joking. I could see him replacing Bay in left field down the road. Supposedly he has a big arm too, maybe he could project to right field, if he has the range.

It won't matter. If he rakes like he has so far in his career he will find a spot on the team.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Are you warming up to this team yet ATL?



Pretty tough not too. Let's see how the pitching holds up, what happens to the team when they let Castillo back at 2B, and stop playing Pagan when Beltran comes back though.

[MaxV]

I could see a Pagan/Frenchy platoon when Tranny comes back.

[Giantsfan1080]

Hell the way Bay is playing Pagan might split time with him also.

[MaxV]

Well, I'm glad some players in our organization don't give up.

Binghamton Mets came back from a 6-1 deficit in the 9th to win it 7-6.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Jose and David are All-Stars. Mets reportedly signed Goeddel, and we are beating up on the Nats. Good day.

[Giantsfan1080]

Jose and David are All-Stars. Mets reportedly signed Goeddel, and we are beating up on the Nats. Good day.

I agree with all of this. Would have liked Pelfrey also but oh well. Great news about Goeddel as we know just need to sign Vaughn. A lot of short season guys are doing really well now which is good. The Rodriguez's Cecilliani, Vaughn just to name a few.

[MaxV]

Great news, if true. He is a talented pitcher. I hope he develops.

Hopefully, we can sign Harvey, Peavey, den Dekker, DJ Johnson and maybe one of the other HS guys.

[Giantsfan1080]

Den Dekker has no leverage so he'll sign. I'm sure we'll get Harvey done as well. The other 2 we'll just have to sit and wait. I don't think we'll sign any of the HS guys.

[Forenci]

We've signed more slot players than I thought we would. Wasn't a great draft but with a couple of toolsy players we've signed and with another potentially good IFA signing period we could be in good shape again for restocking the minor leagues.

[Giantsfan1080]

Goeddel's agent is denying the signing. Looks like it might not be true after all.

[Giantsfan1080]

What a game for Johan tonight!! I still think we need another SP though.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

What a game for Johan tonight!! I still think we need another SP though.



We do. No one ever actual thought Santana was bad, he's just not nearly what he used to be which has been obvious the last couple of years, but even more so now.

[MaxV]

Getting another starting pitcher would solve two problems at once.

It would add to the rotation and to the bullpen, as Taka is A LOT better as a reliever.

BTW, this Wilmer Flores fella, he's kinda good with a bat.

[Giantsfan1080]

Yeah I really don't know what I'd want to deal for Lee but I like this team.

[Forenci]

Wilmer is awesome. He will obviously slow down at A+ soon but considering he is one of the youngest players in advanced A ball it's pretty damn impressive.

[M.O.T.H.]

We're looking at some awesome pitching matchups in our upcoming series...should be fun.

[MaxV]

Mets have signed OF Vicente Lupo and INF Leon Jackson Canelon.

Lupo is ranked 25th overall on BA's list (http://www.baseballamerica.com/today/prospects/international-affairs/2010/2610304.html) and is described to have plus power potential.

Canelon on the other hand is speedy middle infielder with defensive and contact ability.

I hope they develop. And I hope we aren't finished.

Say what you will about our drafting trends, but Mets have brought in several interesting International Free Agents. Case and point, Aderlin Rodriguez with another 2 Home Runs today.

[Giantsfan1080]

It'll be nice to have a prospect with plus to plus plus power.

[Giantsfan1080]

Nick Evans back up for Iggy.

[Giantsfan1080]

Carlos Beltran back Thursday!!!

[MaxV]

I wonder if it'll be a Pagan/Frenchy platoon. Pagan hits righties MUCH better, while Frechy has better numbers vs. lefties.

I hope we'll see an improved play out of this team in the 2nd half. There is DEFINITELY room for improvement.

[Forenci]

I wonder if it'll be a Pagan/Frenchy platoon. Pagan hits righties MUCH better, while Frechy has better numbers vs. lefties.

I hope we'll see an improved play out of this team in the 2nd half. There is DEFINITELY room for improvement.

As long as Pagan plays most of the time I can live with it. Francoeur is an awful baseball player who needs to see as little playing time as possible, though.

[MaxV]

Yeah, we have gotten terrible production from both of our corner OF spots and our 2b spot.

I think that is our biggest weakness, not pitching.

I mean, don't get me wrong, I wouldn't be against adding another starter and/or reliever, but I think we can win with our current pitching staff. Offensive production needs to improve.

[Giantsfan1080]

I'm pumped for the 2nd half of the season. Let's go Mets!!!

[MaxV]

Damn, we've started the 2nd half REALLY badly.

What's going on with Pelfrey?

[MaxV]

Wilpons are getting into wrestling.

http://www.wrestlezone.com/news/article/exclusive-major-details-on-new-promotion-opening-this-fall-107367

It must be nice to spend millions on random ideas.

[MaxV]

I hope the Baseball part hasn't interfered with shopping, sightseeing, etc. during this Western trip.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I hope the Baseball part hasn't interfered with shopping, sightseeing, etc. during this Western trip.


We can only hope not.

[Giantsfan1080]

Ship is sinking fast.

[MaxV]

I really hope Omar doesn't decide to do something crazy to stay in contention.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I really hope Omar doesn't decide to do something crazy to stay in contention.


I concur. Only moves I want are for players we can have under reasonable control for a bit. I'm not going to be terribly upset if we make moves and give up a solid amount for the Dan Haren's of the world. I just don't want to make a short sighted move.

[Forenci]

To be fair, Omar hasn't ever really done that. Honestly the one thing I'll miss about Omar when he likely gets fired at years end is the fact he does beast the IFA period.

[Giantsfan1080]

Omar has made some great moves and also some terrible ones. He's too loyal though which can be seen as a knock or a positive. He's never crippled the team with a short sighted trade so I'll hope he doesn't this year as well. I would give up Mejia for Haren though.

[MaxV]

Interesting. This guy introduces the possibility that Mets aren't planning to sign Harvey in order to get a top 10 pick in next year's deeper class.

http://www.dailystache.net/archives/7664

What do you guys think about this?

[Giantsfan1080]

I like Harvey so I hope we sign him. We'd have to go much safer next year if we did that.

[Forenci]

Dear Ruben Tejada, you are awesome.

Good day sir. I say good day.

Sincerely, Moats fans.

I was imitating a show, for anyone thinking I'm spelling impaired btw. GF knows what I mean!

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Interesting. This guy introduces the possibility that Mets aren't planning to sign Harvey in order to get a top 10 pick in next year's deeper class.

http://www.dailystache.net/archives/7664

What do you guys think about this?


I really wouldn't have that much of a problem with it, but it's a Boras client. If Harvey's going to sign, you know it won't be until the last couple of days to minutes before the deadline.


And when I say I wouldn't have a problem with it, that would more or less depend on how much Wilpon is willing to shell out on two top 15 picks.

[Giantsfan1080]

Dear Ruben Tejada, you are awesome.

Good day sir. I say good day.

Sincerely, Moats fans.

I was imitating a show, for anyone thinking I'm spelling impaired btw. GF knows what I mean!

Psych!!!! Tejada is a whiz with the glove but I don't know how much he'll hit. I like him so I hope he can have somewhat of a bad at this level.

[MaxV]

I'm still hoping Havens is the 2b of the future.

I mean, having so much power, out of position that is really light hitting around the league, can give your team a significant advantage.

And it's not like Havens is a liability defensively.

[Forenci]

Eh, I'm not a huge Havens fan, as GF probably knows. Also second basemen with power these days really aren't that rare. Not compared to power outages from center fielders and shortstops.

Defensively I can't really say for Havens but Tejada has been tremendous in the field.

Keep in mind Havens is likely out for the year and will be turning 24, with just 68 AB's in AA. Tejada is three years younger and has handled himself extremely well for consistently being one of the youngest players at each level in the minor leagues, and is a superior defensive player. He's no slouch with the bat. Right now he's over matched as one might expect, but I'm confident he will be a good hitter. He's certainly no Luis Castillo and will be able to hit doubles and get the ball out of the infield.

[Giantsfan1080]

Since the year is pretty much over I'm happy with the development of a lot of our hitters in the minors. A ton of bats stepped up during the course of the year. On the other hand our pitching has taken a hit. A numbers of pitchers have taken a step back this year like but I'm still confident in their ability.

[Forenci]

I love Cesar Puello. He's had a huge year. Flores well be interesting to watch too. Obviously he's held his own for being so young in advanced A ball. He'll still be one of the youngest players in the league too. He's starting to get a bit older so once he starts to grow into his frame he should really start hitting for some power.

[MaxV]

Familia has recently been pitching much better. A good sign. Hopefully, he continues to improve.

[MaxV]

We'll also see what Vaughn and Cecilliani can do in full-season ball next season.

Possibly the 2 Rodriguezes also, Aderlin and Javier.

[Giantsfan1080]

Even guys like Duda, Campbell, Ratliff, and Lutz have taken a step forward. I love Lutz's bad but he's another guy who can't stay healthy.

[Giantsfan1080]

So guys I think we have something special in our hands with Captain Kirk. What's his uspide?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

So guys I think we have something special in our hands with Captain Kirk. What's his uspide?


I've read 20/20 guy with a good glove who won't walk enough.

[Giantsfan1080]

I think coming into the year that was his upside but he has having a crazy year. I think he can do a lot more than that even though he needs work on his K:BB ratio. I'm thinking we really don't even know because of where he went to school. He's developing at a crazy pace.

[MaxV]

We'll see.

Even if he doesn't develop into a very patient hitter and his OBP hovers around .335-.345, his natural tools could still make him into a good player.

[Forenci]

I'm not as nuts about Kirk as some people are. I still like Fernando a lot more as a prospect. To me it really comes down to whether or not he can play center at the major league level. If he can he's extremely valuable, if not a guy with medicore/sub par plate discipline isn't overly appealing from a corner spot. Unless he can hit 25 HR's, which I'm not convinced he can do at the major league level.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

So the Mets got Harvey, and pretty much signed none of their very few potential picks except for Goedell. It'd be nice to you know, to actually spend some money on the draft, develop talent so that we have a strong farm system.

[MaxV]

We've signed Peavey also.

He has some upside also.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

We've signed Peavey also.

He has some upside also.


Meh, back end of the rotation at the absolute best.

[MaxV]

Great pitching performance from Mejia tonight.

I hope it's a sign of things to come.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Great pitching performance from Mejia tonight.

I hope it's a sign of things to come.


Indeed, because Niese may never be dominant, but he certainly looks like one hell of a commodity. (Left handed 2 or 3). That'd be a nice 1-2 punch to run out there in a few years.

[MaxV]

Hopefully Pelfrey finds consistancy and pitches the way he did earlier in the season.

That would be a nice 1-2-3 then.

Familia has pitched much better lately also, but his delivery suggests late-innings bullpen guy.

[Giantsfan1080]

Niese has been a great suprise this year. He looks like a solid #3 but will probably sprinkle in some years with #2 numbers. I don't really want the Mets to call up Mejia in September though.

[Forenci]

Niese has been a great suprise this year. He looks like a solid #3 but will probably sprinkle in some years with #2 numbers. I don't really want the Mets to call up Mejia in September though.

Why? If he's coming up as a starter it'd be perfect for him to get innings once the minor league season is over.

[Giantsfan1080]

He's not ready to be a MLB SP. What is this rush to have him on the team? Yes he needs innings because of the injuries but I don't want to see him get smacked around in September and lose confidence. As we're seeing with Ike and Tejada it's bad to rush these prospects up the majors.

[Forenci]

I think Mejia is more than ready though. He showed he could handle himself as a reliever where he was being forced to essentially throw one pitch. Plus he seems like a confident kid so I'm not to worried about him getting lit up and not being able to recover from it. To me his need for innings outweighs any other concerns. If we want him to start next year he needs to accumulate innings.

[Giantsfan1080]

I'm really not comfortable with him in the rotation at the start of the 2011 season. His off speed stuff still needs a lot of work.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I have zero problems with Mejia coming up to start in Sept. or being the number 5 next year. This might be because I'm a major Mejia fanboy, but I'm still cool with it.

[Giantsfan1080]

Well I'm a big fan also but there's no need to rush him.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Well I'm a big fan also but there's no need to rush him.



I'd like to at least give a chance at the end of a meaningless season to see how he handles big league hitters in his natural element (as a starter).

[Giantsfan1080]

I understand it but I'm against it.

[Giantsfan1080]

Francouer gone for Joaquin Arias. Mejia and Duda promoted.

[Forenci]

Francouer gone for Joaquin Arias. Mejia and Duda promoted.

Life is worth living again. Mejia starting on Saturday?

[MaxV]

Former Mets' top prospect Brian Cole's family wins $131 million lawsuit against Ford.

http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/mlb/news/story?id=5524647

[Giantsfan1080]

I saw Brian Cole play in Bingo the summer before his accident. He was going to be a good one. What a shame.

[Giantsfan1080]

Another great day for Mets fans. Mejia comes out of the game because of an injury and it looks like Reese Havens is going to need back surgery. I don't know why we need to be punished like this.

[Forenci]

God loves everyone.

Except the Mets.

Honestly part of me is happy I'm too busy now to watch the Mets. It's sad. :(

[Giantsfan1080]

I still watch even if it's not for a full game. I just don't know what to do with the team though. Our pitching was at least shaping up to be good next year and with this Santana news and now Mejia we're back at square one. We now need two SP's at the top of the rotation and who knows what else.

[MaxV]

I rarely watch now. This team is depressing.

Hopefully, Johan heals fast and Mejia develops.

There is always next year. Ugh.