New York Mets

[Forenci]

Rays signed Scott Kazmir, Forenci!

Haha, I saw that.

Granted we got garbage for Kazmir, but I don't think we really need him. Though let's be honest, he'd be an improvement over Vargas or Perez at this point.

I like Perez, hoping he stays around.

[AlexDown]

I know I should be satisfied with a win today but....

Santana's HRs are really really bugging me. Wouldn't surprise me if he lead all pitchers in HRs given up.

I know I have brought this up before, just needed to get that out again. It might become an issue.....

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I know I should be satisfied with a win today but....

Santana's HRs are really really bugging me. Wouldn't surprise me if he lead all pitchers in HRs given up.

I know I have brought this up before, just needed to get that out again. It might become an issue.....



It's not going to. If you watched the broadcast today it showed the stats over the last few years. Santana is first in just about every major category. So giving up homers isn't that big of a deal. Although it is pretty frustrating.

[Forenci]

Woo! We swept the Yankees! Granted it was only two games, but it was great.

I really felt like if one team swept this series it would be a huge momentum builder for that team, and I'm just happy it was us who swept them.

Ollie pitched a great game for us. We all know Delgado got robbed on the home run, which was a shame, but fortunately it made no difference in terms of winning or losing.

Reyes belted out another home run which is great to see from him. Plus Church hit one too, and I think we're all starting to see what a steal that deal was to get Church and the Schneid for Milledge. Church plays such great defense too.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Ah. It is always nice to kill the Yankees.

[AlexDown]

What was the best to see was after Delgado got robbed of his HR, he continued to fight, and get a base hit RBI regardless. Can't tell you how many people were thinking he was now going to probably hit into a double play.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Looking forward to Maine vs Glavine.

[bigbluedefense]

I don't like this Willie Randolph.

and is it just me, or is Reyes more hype than production?

[roughrider30]

If this isn't production for a lead off man I don't know what is:

2006-
Runs: 122 Hits: 194 2B:30 3B: 17 HR: 17 RBI:81

SB: 64 AVG: .300 OBP: 354

well... I guess except the OBP, but those are some solid numbers and that is where the hype comes from.


He had a down year last year, but his production was still not much worse than his 2006 stats.

[AlexDown]

Reyes has been steadily regressing since 2006.

Heilman just gave up another bomb.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I don't like this Willie Randolph.

and is it just me, or is Reyes more hype than production?


He has all the tools, and a great 2006 and great 1/2 of 2007. He has been pretty average since.

[AlexDown]

This is going to be a loooooooooooongggggggggg season.

[Forenci]

Sure seems like it, Alex. However, it seems you put the anti-jinx on Reyes as he really had a great day against the Braves. We just couldn't get anyone else to help him unfortunately.

[AlexDown]

Sure seems like it, Alex. However, it seems you put the anti-jinx on Reyes as he really had a great day against the Braves. We just couldn't get anyone else to help him unfortunately.

Heh. I got all of my wisdom teeth out yesterday and I watched all 3 games since I really can't do much else. I feel gross now, what a waste of time. This team is just not very good.

What do you guys think about Willie?

[Forenci]

Eh, I don't really blame Willie. I know everyone here in New York wants him fired, but it's more of just the ball club not doing their job if you ask me.

Santana pitched a good game, he just didn't get any real run support.

[Average OT LB]

Heh. I got all of my wisdom teeth out yesterday and I watched all 3 games since I really can't do much else. I feel gross now, what a waste of time. This team is just not very good.

What do you guys think about Willie?

I think willie is still a good coach, and that what i thought about him at first still aplies. I just feel that its the teams approach to him that begs for change.. I liken it to bacteria and antibiotics.. its not like he isnt doing his job.. its just time for change.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Fire Willie! Really. It's not like he's anything special as an in-game manager, not like we have an extreme attachment, and we need to make some sort of change. I think this is it.

[Forenci]

I just can't take this. It's brutal. You have to hand it to the guys though, they really fought to try and win that game, especially with so much going wrong. Marlon Anderson got injured fairly early on and Tatis had to fill in.

Castillo really stuck it out even though it looked like his knees were killing him during the game too, so I'll give that to him.

We can't blame Reyes for getting picked off. He is just trying to give us a spark, and the fact that it seems like he's the only player being aggressive is something I can't blame him for. He does need to be more careful though.

Even Heilman you can't blame too much. Something had to give considering how long the game was going on.

We really could have used that game too..

[AlexDown]

Reyes getting caught on second was BAD. There was one out, he was in scoring position. That was bad, and you should blame him for that.

Although Marlon got hurt, Tatis did hit that HR, so it is not like it really hurt us.

It's just funny that Wagner's first blown save (with an earned run) comes at this very moment.

[Forenci]

I do blame him, it's just I'm not killing him on it. He shouldn't have gotten picked off but with an aggressive base stealer like him it's going to happen - but he shouldn't have been so aggressive then.

Here is to hoping we actually win today! Hooray!

Oh and by the way, the main reason I'm not upset at Reyes is because the pitcher balked. There is no doubt about it, but the Umps never called it of course.

[AlexDown]

Hey now just a second.

They actually won! I don't want to get ahead of myself but maybe we can take the series...

But in all seriousness, its May. Lets let things play out.

[Forenci]

Woohoo! Great game tonight.

That is the Johan we've all be expecting and he really showed up. If we can go out and take the Giants series and take some from the Padres we should be in great shape! Knock on wood.

[roughrider30]

Good to see Church come back strong for us today. This guy has been amazing for us so far. We would be in much bigger trouble in the OF this year without him. I didn't want to get rid of Milledge at first, but solid trade Minaya.

[AlexDown]

Great series. Even the game we lost we were in a position to win.

Looking forward to Pedro coming back. Who is going to get sent down? Vargas or Pelfrey?

Also don't know if you guys have seen Reyes in this new ESPN commercial...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oH6qtwPYXTU&eurl=http://nysportsdog.blogspot.com/

[AlexDown]

Ouch, these games have been hard to watch.

I didn't see the game last night, but I think I saw we had bases loaded with zero outs and we only got one run in?

Pitching has been good seems like, where are the bats?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

We suck donkey balls.

[roughrider30]

Ya this is getting pretty gross. Watched about half the game, then left and checked the score. I can't believe they blew it.

[AlexDown]

Alright MaxV,

Lets hear it. What do you think about this team?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Billy, I hope you choke on your dip. Seriously though. We need to try and get K-Rod. He is a FA to be and would be exactly what we need. Emotion filled dominating closer.

[MaxV]

Alright MaxV,

Lets hear it. What do you think about this team?


High draft pick next year.

[roughrider30]

Well guys, Randolph is gone.

I'm sure no one is really suprised. Although I don't think he deserved to be fired, I don't really think it was his fault and if it wasn't for wagner's 3 straight blown saves he might still be here.

I do think it was time to shake things up and maybe kick some of these guys into gear. Maybe this extreme move will get them going

[SuperKevin]

Billy, I hope you choke on your dip. Seriously though. We need to try and get K-Rod. He is a FA to be and would be exactly what we need. Emotion filled dominating closer.

I would cream myself if we somehow signed K-Rod.

[roughrider30]

I would cream myself if we somehow signed K-Rod.

Ya, but then the typical thing that happens to players when they come to NY would happen and he would somehow blow *** for us

[SuperKevin]

Ya, but then the typical thing that happens to players when they come to NY would happen and he would somehow blow *** for us

Good point. The NY spotlight can cripple one's self confidence

I don't think it's an issue anyway because Art Moreno(or whatever his name is) has a ton of cash and won't let K-Rod go anywhere.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Good point. The NY spotlight can cripple one's self confidence

I don't think it's an issue anyway because Art Moreno(or whatever his name is) has a ton of cash and won't let K-Rod go anywhere.


Yeah, that's just a pipe dream of mine. I've loved K-Rod ever since he got called up.

[MaxV]

Don't sweat it guys.

Eddie Kunz is on the way.

[Eagles own the NFC East]

Getting K-Rod is a possibility with all the money we have.

I am not surprised about Randolph however I agree he didnt deserve to get fired really.

[MaxV]

I've never been a big fan of Willie.

But the way they did it, is wrong.

[Forenci]

I thought Willie was alright. I was indifferent to his firing one way or the other but the way the Mets handled it was disgraceful. I think he was a great person though.

On another note I can officially say with no doubt Jose Reyes is my favorite Met. It was kind of a toss up between Reyes and David Wright, but of course Santana is quickly growing on me since playing here, but it's Reyes big time right now.

Reyes was the ONLY player to have the gaul to say he was sad to see Willie go. This was after most of assumed Willie and Reyes didn't get along. He also said the players (including him) should be accountable for getting him fired. Wright, nor did any other Met, say anything close to that.

Plus I loved the fact when he tweaked his hamstring (as it appeared) he wanted to stay in the game and got pissed off when Manuel took him out.

Now I have no problem that Manuel took him out as it was the right move but I like the fact Reyes showed emotion and threw his helmet. Sure you could call it unesscarry or even childish but I felt like it was passionate and real emotion. Plus he apologized and came back out after he went into the club house.

I love that. That's what guys like Delgado need to do. I'd rather have spent the money cutting Delgado than getting rid of Randolph.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Johan was tossing up BP last night.

[Forenci]

It's hard to blame him considering the circus the past day for not pitching well. Plus he's never pitched well in that stadium.

I just love Santana because he plays like an outfielder and everyday guy. Doesn't just go up to bat to strike out like a lot of pitchers, runs the bases well and is a great fielder. Even last night when Delgado made a fool out of himself trying to find a ball that bounced off him. It was SANTANA, not the first basemen who ran out after the ball and slid after the ball to try and save the play.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

It's hard to blame him considering the circus the past day for not pitching well. Plus he's never pitched well in that stadium.

I just love Santana because he plays like an outfielder and everyday guy. Doesn't just go up to bat to strike out like a lot of pitchers, runs the bases well and is a great fielder. Even last night when Delgado made a fool out of himself trying to find a ball that bounced off him. It was SANTANA, not the first basemen who ran out after the ball and slid after the ball to try and save the play.


Delgado would have ran after it if he knew where it was. Johan was really bad last night though. He's lucky he got away with only 4 ERs.

[Forenci]

No doubt, he was not good. He's prone to a bad game now and then, just like all pitchers. Still, Delgado should have made that play and instead it bounces off him and he looks like a chicken with his head cut off trying to find it.

I'm dead serious when I say would rather have Santana playing first base rather than Delgado.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

No doubt, he was not good. He's prone to a bad game now and then, just like all pitchers. Still, Delgado should have made that play and instead it bounces off him and he looks like a chicken with his head cut off trying to find it.

I'm dead serious when I say would rather have Santana playing first base rather than Delgado.

I'd consider it. And I'd sure as hell rather have Mike Carp. Delgado's done. I can't wait till we get someone new in there next year.

[Forenci]

I agree, bring up Carp. If management wants to win they should cut Delgado and not care about the money. Either way they're wasting money having him on the team.

Let some young guys fight for the spot. Murphy, Carp, Nick Evans - whoever.

Also, I love Alou, but he can't be relied upon in terms of injury. I'm saying it now..bring up Fernando Martinez whenever he gets healthy and let him play and develop in the majors. If he does develop F-Mart, Beltran and Church is an awesome outfield for the future.

[MaxV]

Carp is DESTROYING AA pitching. I wouldn't mind if they give him a shot at some point this season.

[AlexDown]

Well, went to the game tonight. Figured we would not get swept by Seattle.

Looks like that day off helped David Wright out....

[Forenci]

Hah yeah, it sure did. Reyes had a bomb too that really in my mind put the game away.

Maine looked great to start out and then started to fade around the fifth inning. Regardless he still had a good outing and hopefully he can continue to improve on keeping the pitch count down.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Hah yeah, it sure did. Reyes had a bomb too that really in my mind put the game away.

Maine looked great to start out and then started to fade around the fifth inning. Regardless he still had a good outing and hopefully he can continue to improve on keeping the pitch count down.


That's a good outing for Johhny Maine. That's all we need from him consistently. If he can put out 6IP 2ERs most of the time, I will be very pleased.

[AlexDown]

Anyone see this?

Bart Hubbuch, of the New York Post, reports the New York Mets talked with the Cleveland Indians about acquiring Milwaukee Brewers SP CC Sabathia in exchange for four prospects. Mets general manager Omar Minaya eventually declined a potential deal because the team had not decided how aggressive they wanted to be before the trade deadline.

[MaxV]

Indians probably wanted Fernando, Niese and 2 of Carp/Evans/Murphy trio.

Good decision.

[Forenci]

Anyone see this?

Any good manager would listen, but ultimately, unless we got him on the cheap I don't think he'd ever come here - even if it was for a year.

Santana is our ace, no need to bring in another to cause conflict.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Any good manager would listen, but ultimately, unless we got him on the cheap I don't think he'd ever come here - even if it was for a year.

Santana is our ace, no need to bring in another to cause conflict.


That's not the big thing. I'd be quite surprised if Cleveland didn't ask for Fernando, Flores, Niese, + one of Carp/Evans.


It's best we didn't pull the trigger on something like that.

[MaxV]

That's not the big thing. I'd be quite surprised if Cleveland didn't ask for Fernando, Flores, Niese, + one of Carp/Evans.


It's best we didn't pull the trigger on something like that.

I don't think Mets can trade Flores, even if they wanted to.

With that being said, I'm pretty sure they do NOT want to.

[AlexDown]

Fernando Tatis has been HUGE for us.

[MaxV]

Fernando Tatis has been HUGE for us.

Solid pickup.

I hope Church recovers. His presence makes our lineup so much more potent, plus he's an above-average defender.

[SuperKevin]

Solid pickup.

I hope Church recovers. His presence makes our lineup so much more potent, plus he's an above-average defender.

I hope he recovers too but it sounds like his season and possibly his career might be in jeopardy

[AlexDown]

I hope he recovers too but it sounds like his season and possibly his career might be in jeopardy

Really? I didn't know it was that bad.

And about Alou.....

Why are they trying to get him back before the All Star break. Everytime it seems like he is not ready. Why not give him the extra rest?

[Forenci]

Woo! Sweep.

I know it's only the Giants but it's nice to have a sweet win streak going.

I LOVE Fernando Tatis. Guy has been clutch and he hustles more than anyone on this club. I just love the guy.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Tatis has been great. Wasn't at all happy that Clark made the team over him. I expected him to be a solid power bat who could play 3B/1B/OF, and he's just come up so big for us.

[AlexDown]

Annnnnnd my previous question is now irrelevant.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Time to explore Matt Holliday.

[AlexDown]

It's to bad the AS break had to happen right when we were hot. The Mets are playing out of their minds right now, really clicking on all cylinders.

Do you see the Mets making an moves?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

It's to bad the AS break had to happen right when we were hot. The Mets are playing out of their minds right now, really clicking on all cylinders.

Do you see the Mets making an moves?



Raul Ibanez.

[Forenci]

I really think the Mets should keep things as they are. Matt Holliday is vastly overrated in my eyes. His splits from home and away are awful.

Personally. I say we don't make any trades and bring up Fernando Martinez. Let him start a majority of the games and put in Chavez and Tatis to help him out along the way.

I think he's ready. They said he was easily the best player at the Futures All-Star games.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I really think the Mets should keep things as they are. Matt Holliday is vastly overrated in my eyes. His splits from home and away are awful.

Personally. I say we don't make any trades and bring up Fernando Martinez. Let him start a majority of the games and put in Chavez and Tatis to help him out along the way.

I think he's ready. They said he was easily the best player at the Futures All-Star games.


He's also 19, has trouble staying healthy, needs his ABs, and isn't killing AA. Unless he's playing every day, he should focus on his ABs down there. He cannot possibly be worse then Nick Evans though.

[SuperKevin]

Last thing we need in our lineup right now is a 19 year year old to get his first big league stint in the thick of a playoff run. It could shatter his confidence and delay him years in the process.

[Forenci]

Yeah but Fernando has great bat speed, I think that would serve him very well in terms of transitioning to the majors.

I don't see why we shouldn't give him a shot. You really want a rookie in Evans playing left field over Fernando?

Oh and Super Kevin, my thought is if he plays poor and can't rebound from it then he'd never make it here in New York anyways. I do understand your point though.

[MaxV]

Martinez shouldn't be called up right now. He's not ready.

Don't diss Evans. He's a very good prospect also. He's closer to being MLB-ready then Fernando.

If Church can't go, I'm hoping Evans turns it around quickly. Otherwise, we might need to make a deal.

This trading market is scaring me though. The asking price for average players like Nady, Bay and Ibanez is very steep. We would need to give up the farm for Holliday.

[Forenci]

Martinez shouldn't be called up right now. He's not ready.

Don't diss Evans. He's a very good prospect also. He's closer to being MLB-ready then Fernando.

If Church can't go, I'm hoping Evans turns it around quickly. Otherwise, we might need to make a deal.

This trading market is scaring me though. The asking price for average players like Nady, Bay and Ibanez is very steep. We would need to give up the farm for Holliday.

Oh believe me, I love Evans, I just don't think he has All-Star potential like Fernando does.

Holliday is super overrated.

[MaxV]

Oh believe me, I love Evans, I just don't think he has All-Star potential like Fernando does.

Holliday is super overrated.

Yeah, I can agree with that. Only Wilmer Flores has compatable potential to Fernando in our system.

While we are on the subject of prospects, 2 of our best pitching prospects (Jon Niese and Scott Moviel) both had very good outings yesterday.

Later I will post my top 20 Mets prospect list.

[AlexDown]

Later I will post my top 20 Mets prospect list.

I would definitely be interested to see what you got.

Where is GiantsFan at anyway?

Also, who would you all label as your first half MVP? I think Reyes gets the nod, but there are quite a few guys who have also stepped up big.

[MaxV]

Yeah, Reyes is our 1st half MVP imo.

[Forenci]

Yeah, I can agree with that. Only Wilmer Flores has compatable potential to Fernando in our system.

While we are on the subject of prospects, 2 of our best pitching prospects (Jon Niese and Scott Moviel) both had very good outings yesterday.

Later I will post my top 20 Mets prospect list.

Don't forget about Brad Holt. I believe we drafted him in the second round, correct?

I remember a ton of people saying he was an awful pick but thus far he has been excellent.

I believe he struck out 10 in about 4-5 innings work.

[MaxV]

Don't forget about Brad Holt. I believe we drafted him in the second round, correct?

I remember a ton of people saying he was an awful pick but thus far he has been excellent.

I believe he struck out 10 in about 4-5 innings work.

Yeap. He throws in high-90s, but needs work on his secondary pitches and command.

[Forenci]

For sure he needs to work on the secondary pitches but I'm sure as you know people said the exact same thing about Mike Pelfrey. Pelfrey's sinker is amazing, not to mention he has a half-decent slider too.

Holt kind of looks like a 'strike out' version of Mike Pelfrey. A lot more strike outs than ground outs.

[MaxV]

Here is my personal top 20 list:

1. Fernando Martinez (OF) - 19-year OF prospect with loads of potential, who is already holding his own in AA. Scouts say that his power will come with time and he already has a nice, even swing that produces line drives to all fields. He is still learning how to hit lefties and seems to be improving in that regard. Good defensively.

2. Jon Niese (LHP) - 21-year-old pitching prospect with 3 above-average pitches. He doesn't throw very hard, but has enough velocity on his fastball to keep the hitters honest. His curveball and changeup are both good pitches. His pitchability is pretty advanced for his age, but he does tend to struggle 3rd or 4th time through the batting order. Currently putting up good numbers in AA.

3. Mike Carp (1b) - 21-year-old 1b prospect with good power. Good plate discipline and hits the ball to all fields. Struggled vs. lefties in past years, but not this year. Ripping both lefties and righties in AA this year. Mets have tried him out in the OF this year, but he is probably strictly a 1b. Solid defensively.

4. Nick Evans (1b/OF) - Another 21-year-old who is mashing AA. Evans is a better athlete then Carp and can project to corner OF as well as 1b. He's not a burner, but judging by a high number of triples, he has above average speed. Good power potential. Even swing that produces line drives to all fields. Good approach to hitting. Above-average defensively at 1b and probably average at corner OF.

5. Wilmer Flores (SS) - Perhaps it's too early to place him this high, as he's only in short-season ball, but he might have the most upside in our system. 16-year with potential coming out of his ears. Great power potential. Great start to his pro career. Might need to move to a different position as he fills out.

6. Reese Havens (SS) - Mets' second 1st rounder in the 2008 draft, he's off to a good start in Brooklyn. So far, a shoulder injury has prevented him from playing in the field and it's unclear if the Mets see him as a middle-infielder, OF or maybe even catcher. Whatever the position, his bat projects very well in any of them.

7. Dan Murphy (1b/3b/2b) - Arguably organization's most MLB-ready prospect. Murph doesn't project as a star, but he could certainly have a long and productive career. He'll never be a gold-glover, but he can play multiple positions. His bat projects as above-average, with solid power, plate discipline and good hitting approach.

8. Eddie Kunz (RHP) - I am often hesitant to rank reliever prospects high and Eddie hasn't dominated yet, but I am VERY excited about him. Kunz has NASTY stuff. He hasn't allowed a HR since his freshman year in college. His best pitch is a mid-90s sinker that is as heavy as a bowling ball. Command is his biggest issue right now. So far his worst outings have come when he walks the ballpark. When his command is on, he sits them down 1-2-3, without breaking a sweat. If he figures it out, he could be a dominant closer.

9. Ike Davis (1b/OF) - Most people rank Davis much higher simply because he was Mets' top pick in '08, but I am one of those people that needs to see prospect have success before ranking them high. Power potential is certainly very high. Good enough athlete to play in the corner OF.

10. Bobby Parnell (RHP) - One of my favorite prospects. His fastball touches high-90s on the occasion. His slider is a K pitch also. Unfortunately, so far in his career he has been a Jakyll/Hyde kind of a prospect. Great one day, terrible another. His command is still very inconsistant. He has improved every year, but he always seems to take small steps. Hasn't dominated the way he should yet. Working on changeup as his 3rd pitch. Raw with Lots of potential.

11. Brad Holt (RHP) - 2008 2nd round pick, who is armed with a great fastball. Secondary pitches show flashes, but need more work. Command needs work too. If his secondary pitches don't improve, he might still develop into a good late-inning reliever.

12. Scott Moviel (RHP) - Very talented and young 6'-10" pitching prospect. Pelfrey's clone (except 3 inches taller :)). Good heavy sinker. Almost never allows a fly ball. Still has quiet a bit projection left. With his size, mechanics could be a problem, but he seems to be fine. Not great K numbers, but sinker pitchers rarely have those.

13. Ruben Tejada (SS) - 18-year-old prospect who is already holding his own in High-A. Good defensively as well. He'll probably never hit for great power, but he's no slap hitter either. Good but not great speed. Great approach to hitting for his age. Potential to be a very good table-setter and maybe Reyes' future double-play partner.

14. Greg Veloz (2b) - Talented 20-year-old prospects who is repeating at low-A and is finally hitting there. Good power potential and advanced hitting approach. Good tools across the board.

15. Josh Thole (C) - Relatively unknown prospect before this season, Josh is putting together an excellent year. Great plate discipline, probably the best in the system. Not a lot of power potential and needs work defensively, but his hitting ability is intruiging.

16. Francisco Pena (C) - Talented 18-year-old prospect, who is repeating in low-A and is doing better. He's still raw, but very talented. He has a very good arm, but needs to stay away from passed balls. Still a long way away from being ready.

17. Ezequiel Carrera (OF) - Toolsy 21-year-old OF prospect, who is playing well in high-A. Great speed and solid power potential. Good defensively.

18. Maikel Cleto (RHP) - 19-year-old pitching prospect who is surprisingly pitching well in Low-A. Pleasant surprise.

19. Josh Stinson (RHP) - 20-year-old pitcher who is repeating low-A and is doing very well. Good sinker and is still projectable.

20. Jefry Marte (3b) - 17-year-old highly touted Dominican signing who is off to a blazing start in GCL. Great potential. A guy who could be #1 on this list in a couple of years.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Jose's definately our first half MVP, and Evans has no buisness being in the majors. Can't handle a good fastball or curve. He basically needs a sub 92 fastball centered down the middle or outside half to get a hit.

[MaxV]

10 straight. I hope we keep it going.

If Pedro can't go vs. Phillies, I wonder if they may give Niese a try.

BTW, no comments for my prospect list? I might change it, as I think both Juan Lagares (SS) and Brant Rustich (RHP) belong in the top 20. I'm not sure who to take out though.

[AlexDown]

I was wondering that also. This team has been playing great.

I'm definitely going to at least one game of the PHI series...

[AlexDown]

Also I saw this posted somewhere else.

Here are a bunch of pictures from inside Citi Field.

http://good-times.webshots.com/album/564130074SOvGLc?start=0

[MaxV]

Great start for Brad Holt in Brooklyn yesterday.

14 Ks in 6 scoreless innings.

He has great stuff and could very well be the best prospect we drafted in '08 class.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Great start for Brad Holt in Brooklyn yesterday.

14 Ks in 6 scoreless innings.

He has great stuff and could very well be the best prospect we drafted in '08 class.



We will see. I still think Reese Havens is going to be our best pick. Maybe Jamie Bruno if we get him signed. I'm still not a huge fan of the Holt pick. We took him in the sandwhich round, and the only thing he has is a good fastball.

[Forenci]

We will see. I still think Reese Havens is going to be our best pick. Maybe Jamie Bruno if we get him signed. I'm still not a huge fan of the Holt pick. We took him in the sandwhich round, and the only thing he has is a good fastball.

Actually for a young pitcher they say he's actually got some good breaking ball pitches that can develop. Mainly his curveball.

Plus you realize the same exact thing was said about Mike Pelfrey, right? Pelf has developed an awesome sinker in addition to a decent slider and he's re-introducing his curve ball. You don't have to have great breaking pitchers if you have a dominating fastball like Pelf and Holt have. Though if they can develop those pitches it sure does help.

I know he's in A ball, but come on, 6 IP with 14 strike outs! That's amazing. He should be in double-A pretty soon I would imagine if he keeps dominating like this and can continue to develop his curveball.

[MaxV]

I hope we can get Bruno signed also. It might take 1st round money.

Holt is developing his secondary pitches. A guy with high-90s heater certainly is intruiging.

[MaxV]

BTW, Brandon Knight has been called up to start tommorow.

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080724&content_id=3187253&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym

He has been dominant in AAA this season, but, at 32, he's no prospect.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Actually for a young pitcher they say he's actually got some good breaking ball pitches that can develop. Mainly his curveball.

Plus you realize the same exact thing was said about Mike Pelfrey, right? Pelf has developed an awesome sinker in addition to a decent slider and he's re-introducing his curve ball. You don't have to have great breaking pitchers if you have a dominating fastball like Pelf and Holt have. Though if they can develop those pitches it sure does help.

I know he's in A ball, but come on, 6 IP with 14 strike outs! That's amazing. He should be in double-A pretty soon I would imagine if he keeps dominating like this and can continue to develop his curveball.


It's not as if he's coming out of hig school. He's 21 years old. He's got a 94 MPH fastball right now, with very raw off speed stuff. From what I understand, that's his bread and butter. Pelfrey is so successful for his ability to throw the sinker and the 4 seam fastball which keep hitters off balance. Holt doesn't have that same complimentary pitch. And Pelfrey's off speed stuff was more developed at this point in his career. I'm not saying the pick won't work out. I haven't seen Holt enough to say that. I will say when we drafted him so early, I was hoping he had more in his arsenal.

[Giantsfan1080]

I'm glad I was always patient with Pelfrey. I'm expecting a nice start tonight to keep the momentum rolling.

[MaxV]

The more I think about it, the more I think that Tatis doesn't need to be replaced.

If/once Church comes back, we'll be set at OF.

I also think that Castro should be starting at C.

[Forenci]

Well, I have always loved Tatis as he hustles and is absolutely our most clutch hitter on this team so I would love to see him start four times a week and let Endy play the other days when Church comes back.

Also, that would not be a good idea to start Castro every game, Max. There is a reason we don't. He gets hurt and slows down after he starts to play too much as indicated in the past. Best to start him three/four times a week and let Schneider get the rest of the days and start against righties.

[Giantsfan1080]

The more I think about it, the more I think that Tatis doesn't need to be replaced.

If/once Church comes back, we'll be set at OF.

I also think that Castro should be starting at C.

The one problem with Church is he will be one step away from being out for the rest of the year if anything goes wrong. He gets hit in the head even slightly and his symptoms can act up. I'd rather have insurance to back the corner OF spots up. Also, I'm with Forenci on this one that Castro and Schneider just need to be platooned pretty much 50/50. They both have their strengths and weaknesses and if they get too much playing time then they have their warts come out a little bit. I'd rather have Castro play a little more than Schneider though.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Pedro Martinez has arrived in Florida and should rejoin the Mets on Tuesday. He’s officially listed for Friday’s start in Houston. Pedro will throw a bullpen session tomorrow, with batters standing in the box but not swinging at Dolphin Stadium. He’ll be capped at about 80 pitches against the Astros. Martinez returning after a team off-day is by design, since it ensures a rested bullpen as a hedge against a short outing.

• Ryan Church will begin taking batting practice Tuesday, and ideally play in minor-league games this weekend with St. Lucie and be activated next week against the Padres.

• Jerry Manuel has anointed Fernando Tatis as his left fielder barring a trade. Translation: When Church returns, Endy goes to fourth outfielder and defensive replacement.


And Niese has been moved up to AAA.

[MaxV]

The problem is that all the available OFs have a very steep price.

I'd rather stick with what we have then give up our top prospects for the likes of Bay and Ibanez.

I do, however, hope that we can get another good bullpen arm. But again, right now, the asking prices are extremely high.

[MaxV]

And Niese has been moved up to AAA.

Oh good, we finally have a player that can be called "prospect" in AAA.

[MaxV]

Shawn Bowman was promoted to AA also.

He was racking in High-A.

I hope he can finally get his career back on track.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

The problem is that all the available OFs have a very steep price.

I'd rather stick with what we have then give up our top prospects for the likes of Bay and Ibanez.

I do, however, hope that we can get another good bullpen arm. But again, right now, the asking prices are extremely high.

Prices are sure to come down by the 31st, they always seem to. I can't stress enough how much I'd like to add Huston Street even though his stats aren't overly pretty. Sanchez is having some dead arm problems it seems, and adding someone like Street would be huge. And I really don't want Ibanez unless it's super cheap.

Oh good, we finally have a player that can be called "prospect" in AAA.

Yes. I think there is all the chance in the world he sees time this year. I'm thinking he might be next in line if (knock on wood) something happens with El Pedro.

[MaxV]

Some Mets fans think that Mets should give Eddie Kunz a try in the bullpen.

I'm very high on Kunz, I think he can be a closer of the future, but I don't think he's ready just yet.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Some Mets fans think that Mets should give Eddie Kunz a try in the bullpen.

I'm very high on Kunz, I think he can be a closer of the future, but I don't think he's ready just yet.

I'm not a big Kunz fan. Walks too many, and lefties hit him well. We already have enough specialist types.

[MaxV]

I'm not a big Kunz fan. Walks too many, and lefties hit him well. We already have enough specialist types.

Zero home runs since freshman year in college.

[Average OT LB]

I like the team as is. I like tatis, easley, a. reyes.. the whole lot of em. THe thing is, come playoff time those guys will probably cool off. As much as i don't want to give up alot to get.. well to get anybody really.. I feel its kinda neccessary. Hopefully Bay's price comes down, but he doesnt seem like a realistic option.

I had high hopes for casey blake.. can't get em all.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Zero home runs since freshman year in college.



That's great and all, but doesn't really matter if lefties keep tattooing him for hits.

[MaxV]

I hope Kunz and Murphy can give us a lift we desperately need.

[Forenci]

I hope Kunz and Murphy can give us a lift we desperately need.

Well, I think if Billy is out for any stretch of time Kunz will end up getting a chance to be the closer.

I really like Murphy a lot too. I think he looked great when he started the other day. Unlike Evans he really didn't look over matched and had some very good at bats.

[MaxV]

Also, I hope it's Niese that gets the chance with Maine out.

[roughrider30]

http://newyork.mets.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20080804&content_id=3251288&vkey=news_nym&fext=.jsp&c_id=nym

Good Article. Hopefully some of these guys can step up and make some kind of an impact.

[MaxV]

I watched the Cyclones on SNY yesterday.

This 18-year-old pitcher, Jenrry Mejia, has NASTY stuff.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I watched the Cyclones on SNY yesterday.

This 18-year-old pitcher, Jenrry Mejia, has NASTY stuff.



Ike Davis is really bad though.

[MaxV]

Ike Davis is really bad though.

Yeah, he has been dissappointing so far.

I'm hoping it's because Keyspan Park is nightmare for lefty hitters.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Yeah, he has been dissappointing so far.

I'm hoping it's because Keyspan Park is nightmare for lefty hitters.



As much as I'd love for that to be, I don't think so. I didn't like that pick at all.

[MaxV]

http://www.nj.com/mets/index.ssf/2008/08/new_york_mets_kunz_gives_up_fi.html

I still very high hopes for this guy.

[Giantsfan1080]

Nice stretch we have going here even though the bullpen continues to be a mess.

[MaxV]

Nice stretch we have going here even though the bullpen continues to be a mess.

Yeah, Wagner's setback is troublesome. Kunz didn't help his cause yesterday. On the positive side, Stokes looks pretty good.

[Giantsfan1080]

Nice little move by Minaya to pick up Ayala for the pen. We gave up nothing in Hernandez so good to see Omar do something to try and help the bullpen.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Nice little move by Minaya to pick up Ayala for the pen. We gave up nothing in Hernandez so good to see Omar do something to try and help the bullpen.


Yeah. Ayala's been horrible, but let's atleast give him a chance. Not like we lost anything in AHern hitting like .205 in AAA.

[MaxV]

Great start for Dillon Gee in AA today. One of my favorite pitching prospects and a guy whose stock has been going up with every turn in the rotation.

Here is a clip of his days with the Cyclones:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMuWze9ptI

Good stuff + great command = legit prospect

[MaxV]

Mets sign former Rays closer Al Reyes.

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/mets/archives/2008/08/mets_sign_reyes.html#more

He has been terrible lately, but has very good stuff. Perhaps a change of scenery can help.

Can't hurt.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Mets sign former Rays closer Al Reyes.

http://blogs.nypost.com/sports/mets/archives/2008/08/mets_sign_reyes.html#more

He has been terrible lately, but has very good stuff. Perhaps a change of scenery can help.

Can't hurt.

That is the opposite of what he has. Last 3 games his highest FB was 87.

[MaxV]

That is the opposite of what he has. Last 3 games his highest FB was 87.

Ok, let me rephrase.

He has good stuff, by Mets' bullpen standards.

Better?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Ok, let me rephrase.

He has good stuff, by Mets' bullpen standards.

Better?

Hey, maybe he'll be better now that you're reuniting him with stokes.

[Giantsfan1080]

Mike Pelfrey is the man. Just wanted to make sure everyone knew it.

[MaxV]

Yeah, it's awesome to see a young pitcher becoming an ace.

Who takes over Maine's spot? Niese?

[Giantsfan1080]

Yeah, it's awesome to see a young pitcher becoming an ace.

Who takes over Maine's spot? Niese?

I would hope so but I thought it might be a re-tread like Figueroa. Is it true Padilla cleared waivers?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

So glad Pelfrey has turned it around. I didn't like him coming out of college, because I didn't think he had the breaking stuff to be sucessful in the bigs at an ace level. He's really just been crazy, by coming with that fastball/sinker all the time and doing so well.

[Giantsfan1080]

So glad Pelfrey has turned it around. I didn't like him coming out of college, because I didn't think he had the breaking stuff to be sucessful in the bigs at an ace level. He's really just been crazy, by coming with that fastball/sinker all the time and doing so well.

I've always defended Pelfrey and Webb and Wang before him have showed you can be succesful with that kind of stuff. As time goes by I think he'll just need to work on his breaking stuff like Webb has and he'll be the #2 I always thought he could turn into.

[MaxV]

Even with mediocre secondary pitches MP can be successful. That sinker of his is as heavy as a bowling ball and it's VERY difficult to get an XBH off him.

If he continues to throw strikes consistantly, the opposition will be forced to string several seeing-eye singles together to score off him.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Ron says it all the time. If Pelfrey can pitch like this and throw inside to left-handers for strikes, he will be unstoppable.

[MaxV]

John Maine is similar. Although he doesn't throw a sinker, his career BAA on his fastball is under .200.

His issue is walks.

[MaxV]

BTW, it looks like Niese will get a shot.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spmaine0826,0,2272104.story

I hope he pitches well.

[Forenci]

John Maine is similar. Although he doesn't throw a sinker, his career BAA on his fastball is under .200.

His issue is walks.

Well, his biggest issue in my opinion is pitch count. His strength, that high fastball also will cause a lot of pitches to be fouled off, thus raising the pitching count.

I think John really needs to work on another strike out pitch, because once batters lock onto that high fastball (his strike out pitch) they will just foul off pitch after pitch and his slider really isn't that good.

Personally I think if he could throw that high fastball and then work on developing a really good change up (he's got a decent one right now) and just throw that thing low he would be devastating in terms of getting batters to strike out.

[Giantsfan1080]

BTW, it looks like Niese will get a shot.

http://www.newsday.com/sports/baseball/mets/ny-spmaine0826,0,2272104.story

I hope he pitches well.

Should be exciting. Always fun to watch a pitching prospect make his debut.

[MaxV]

Should be exciting. Always fun to watch a pitching prospect make his debut.

Yes, but also nerve-wracking when it's in the middle of a very tight division race.

[MaxV]

Oh, wow, I've never seen anything more incompetent then this bullpen.

[SuperKevin]

Worst bullpen ever!

[roughrider30]

This game was so depressing. Thats all I can say.

[Giantsfan1080]

We'll come out and win tonight and then everyone will forget about yesterday. It's happened all year we follow up a bad loss with a win.

[Giantsfan1080]

We'll come out and win tonight and then everyone will forget about yesterday. It's happened all year we follow up a bad loss with a win.

Called that one.

[SuperKevin]

Called that one.

Just barely. The first few innings were hard to watch.

[Giantsfan1080]

Just barely. The first few innings were hard to watch.

It's how they have played all year especially under Manuel. Even when they lose a tough game they always fight back the next day no matter how close.

[roughrider30]

Ya thank god we can actually come back and snatch one back from them. Even though last night was completely ugly and tonight wasnt very pretty either, its good to see they can win tough games.

[AlexDown]

I'm not trying to be overly critical about Santana, considering how well he has pitched of late, but it seems to me whenever we have a big game he comes up short.

Tonight 3 Runs in 6. He gave up 5 or so runs in 6 when we were trying to maintain the win streak around the all star break and so on.

Am I the only one that has noticed that?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I'm not trying to be overly critical about Santana, considering how well he has pitched of late, but it seems to me whenever we have a big game he comes up short.

Tonight 3 Runs in 6. He gave up 5 or so runs in 6 when we were trying to maintain the win streak around the all star break and so on.

Am I the only one that has noticed that?



Eh, I called it before the game. He was due for a bad start. I'm pretty sure this was his 4th time up against the Phillies, and he'd been very good the first 3. We were just lucky that he wasn't hit up too bad.

[MaxV]

BELTRAN!!!!

Now, hold on, PLEASE!!!

[Giantsfan1080]

BELTRAN!!!!

Now, hold on, PLEASE!!!

Awesome Hr. Beltran is going to carry the offense in September.

[MaxV]

I hope you're right.

Beltran's numbers are decent enough, but he hasn't had a really hot streak yet.

I hope this will be a start of one.

[MaxV]

BTW, Jon Neise only pitched 2 2/3 innings today.

I could be wrong, but I think this means he's about to make his MLB debut.

[Giantsfan1080]

BTW, Jon Neise only pitched 2 2/3 innings today.

I could be wrong, but I think this means he's about to make his MLB debut.

Yeah it would look like that way. Get him some work so he didn't have too much free time in between starts. Seems to me like he has a bulldog mentality out there and def. has the stuff for the majors. I'm pretty excited to watch him pitch Tuesday night.

[Giantsfan1080]

I just notcied Parnell came out of the bullpen tonight for NO. Was this the first time for him out of the pen?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I just notcied Parnell came out of the bullpen tonight for NO. Was this the first time for him out of the pen?



I'm almost positive. And yes, this makes it obvious Niese is coming up. It was probably a glorified BP session...

[MaxV]

I just notcied Parnell came out of the bullpen tonight for NO. Was this the first time for him out of the pen?

I've followed Parnell since his days in Brooklyn, I don't remember him ever coming out of a bullpen.

Despite the bad outing today, if Parnell does make a career in MLB for himself it'll probably be in the bullpen.

That good fastball/slider combo of his and the lack of the third pitch suggests his best shot is in the pen.

[Giantsfan1080]

I've followed Parnell since his days in Brooklyn, I don't remember him ever coming out of a bullpen.

Despite the bad outing today, if Parnell does make a career in MLB for himself it'll probably be in the bullpen.

That good fastball/slider combo of his and the lack of the third pitch suggests his best shot is in the pen.

I agree with you on Parnell as I'm sure most people do. I guess they really want to see what he can do out of the 'pen as a possible September callup.

[Giantsfan1080]

Gee also had another excellent start tonight for the B-Mets. Anyone know what kind of stuff he throws?

[MaxV]

Gee also had another excellent start tonight for the B-Mets. Anyone know what kind of stuff he throws?

According to this video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiMuWze9ptI) he has some very nice stuff.

I'm not sure those radar numbers of his fastball are correct. But his pitchability and command are very good.

[AlexDown]

Crazy game today. Mets need every run they can get, the bullpen loves to make these games interesting. Mets games for the next month may be stressful, but they will always be entertaining. As a fan, this is going to be an awesome month of baseball to watch.

My father saw this the other day and forgot to post it. It's the game recap from the last game against Philadelphia.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/recap?gameId=280827122

At the bottom they usually just run through injuries and minor league things, but it said this....

Despite the gut-wrenching loss Tuesday night into Wednesday morning, Mets All-Star 3B David Wright stopped to sign autographs at 1:35 a.m. for a group of fans who were waiting outside the ballpark.

Over a half hour after the loss, he was signing autographs for the fans, close to 2 AM. Awesome.

[Giantsfan1080]

Great work from the bullpen tonight.

[MaxV]

Brian Stokes and Luis Ayala have both been great for us. And man, did we ever needed them to be.

It's nice to know that there are at least a couple of reliable arms in the pen.

[SuperKevin]

Great move by Omar to get Ayala who was cast off by the Nats. He's made some really good trades as of late.

[Giantsfan1080]

For the most part Omar has been succesful when making trades. The only 2 deals that sort of bacfired on him were the Owens/Lindstrom and the Bell trades and even then you can make an argument for them especially the Bell one.

[MaxV]

Also, not protecting Jesus Flores wasn't a good move.

[MaxV]

Nice win. A sweep on the road over a very strong team.

I wish they would've let Bobby Parnell pitch the 9th.

[Forenci]

Nice win. A sweep on the road over a very strong team.

I wish they would've let Bobby Parnell pitch the 9th.

Indeed, very nice sweep of a very good team.

I think Jerry just wanted to make sure Parnell didn't get jittery and give up four runs and put the Mets back in a tight situation.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Nice win. A sweep on the road over a very strong team.

I wish they would've let Bobby Parnell pitch the 9th.



I agree. Not going to come across a better spot.

[AlexDown]

This is one of those situations where Santana needs to come up big...

If we win tonight, the philis would have only gained one game on us, regardless of taking 2 of 3. Big game tonight.

[MaxV]

Great game from Niese. I think this kid will be a good MLB starter. Probably not an ace, but perhaps a good #2.

Still, a disappointing split. We should've won the Santana start.

[AlexDown]

Thoughts?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3605338

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Thoughts?

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=3605338


Love it. Omar's the man.

[MaxV]

I like Omar. He has made some mistakes (Jesus Flores, Matt Lindstrom/Henry Owens, Heath Bell, Pedro Martinez), but he has also made great decisions. He seems to have a knock for finding cast-offs from other teams that play well for the Mets.

[Forenci]

I like Omar. He has made some mistakes (Jesus Flores, Matt Lindstrom/Henry Owens, Heath Bell, Pedro Martinez), but he has also made great decisions. He seems to have a knock for finding cast-offs from other teams that play well for the Mets.

Every GM makes bad moves, that is just the unpredictability of baseball. However, I disagree with you listing Pedro as a mistake. Signing Pedro completely changed the culture of this team, and we've gained a lot of respect and ability to acquire the big name IFA guys because of that signing.

I love Omar. The guy does a good job drafting, but more important he gets GREAT IFA players to join the Mets.

Not to mention he has a knack for finding guys off the scrap heap like Fernando Tatis or Luis Ayala and making them productive here.

[Giantsfan1080]

I also don't think you can list Bell as a mistake. He was terrible with the Mets and never would have pitched well here.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Every GM makes bad moves, that is just the unpredictability of baseball. However, I disagree with you listing Pedro as a mistake. Signing Pedro completely changed the culture of this team, and we've gained a lot of respect and ability to acquire the big name IFA guys because of that signing.

I love Omar. The guy does a good job drafting, but more important he gets GREAT IFA players to join the Mets.

Not to mention he has a knack for finding guys off the scrap heap like Fernando Tatis or Luis Ayala and making them productive here.

Agree completely. Pedro's changed so much for us. The fact he gave us one good year is gravy.

I also don't think you can list Bell as a mistake. He was terrible with the Mets and never would have pitched well here.

Bingo. It'd kind of be like trading Heilman at this stage in his career. Yeah, he's got talent and can put it together with some other team, but it sure as hell ain't happening here. And Flores was more of a Bernazzard thing, if I remember correctly.

[Giantsfan1080]

The only problem I've had with Omar over the last 2 years is our drafting. We take hardly any risks and when we do we won't even go above slot to make sure we sign the guys. We'll see in a couple of years if these drafts produce any players but it doesn't look like they are anything special. I guess he would rather spend the big bucks on the international market but we are the Mets and should be spending money on both sides.

[Forenci]

The only problem I've had with Omar over the last 2 years is our drafting. We take hardly any risks and when we do we won't even go above slot to make sure we sign the guys. We'll see in a couple of years if these drafts produce any players but it doesn't look like they are anything special. I guess he would rather spend the big bucks on the international market but we are the Mets and should be spending money on both sides.

Eh, how much have you been paying attention to the Mets draft picks? Omar has taken quite a few chances on guys like Brad Holt, for example. Someone who people said had a good fast ball but questioned whether or not he'd ever get a grasp on his other pitches, like his curveball. Which he has, to his credit. Granted, I know the point you were trying to make, but in terms of who he selects he will gamble on high risk, high reward types of players. Perhaps not in the convetional sense.

Who really cares when he can get guys like Wilmer Flores from IFA? What Flores has done is nothing short of spectacular at his age.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

The only problem I've had with Omar over the last 2 years is our drafting. We take hardly any risks and when we do we won't even go above slot to make sure we sign the guys. We'll see in a couple of years if these drafts produce any players but it doesn't look like they are anything special. I guess he would rather spend the big bucks on the international market but we are the Mets and should be spending money on both sides.



That's not on Omar. It's the Wilpons who are chummy with Selig and adhere to his rules. I agree though, we should be more agressive.

[Giantsfan1080]

Eh, how much have you been paying attention to the Mets draft picks? Omar has taken quite a few chances on guys like Brad Holt, for example. Someone who people said had a good fast ball but questioned whether or not he'd ever get a grasp on his other pitches, like his curveball. Which he has, to his credit. Granted, I know the point you were trying to make, but in terms of who he selects he will gamble on high risk, high reward types of players. Perhaps not in the convetional sense.

Who really cares when he can get guys like Wilmer Flores from IFA? What Flores has done is nothing short of spectacular at his age.

Brad Holt is a college guy. I'm talking about high school players where if you throw them the money they won't go to college. Players like Bruno or Efferson and so on.

[AlexDown]

I like Omar. He has made some mistakes (Jesus Flores, Matt Lindstrom/Henry Owens, Heath Bell, Pedro Martinez), but he has also made great decisions. He seems to have a knock for finding cast-offs from other teams that play well for the Mets.

Alou, Castillo 4 year contract...

[MaxV]

I agree about Omar being a bit conservative in the drafts. Especially in later rounds, where he mostly picks organization players over talented HS kids with signability issues.

With that being said, several of his picks have been doing very well.

[MaxV]

Alou, Castillo 4 year contract...

Yeap, that also.

BTW, Pedro's deal was a mistake too. Yes, I know that his presence drew other FAs towards the Mets, but there is NO WAY we got our money's worth from him.

[Giantsfan1080]

This game made me sick. What a terrible job by the offense.

[SuperKevin]

I don't even want the Mets to go to the playoffs anymore. Just end this heartbreak already. I don't want to have to be miserable for another week when the bullpen causes us to get swept.

[Giantsfan1080]

I don't even want the Mets to go to the playoffs anymore. Just end this heartbreak already. I don't want to have to be miserable for another week when the bullpen causes us to get swept.

Not the bullpens fault tonight. What a horiffic display in the 9th. All we had to do was hit the ball far enough to get Murphy in and they couldn't even do that. It was terrible.

[SuperKevin]

Not the bullpens fault tonight. What a horiffic display in the 9th. All we had to do was hit the ball far enough to get Murphy in and they couldn't even do that. It was terrible.

You're right. It should have been over in the 9th but watching Ayala give up 3 runs with 2 outs made me want to puke

[MaxV]

I've never seen anything more idiotic then how these guys are playing.

They don't deserve to be in the playoffs.

[Giantsfan1080]

I'm still in shock we didn't score in the 9th. I really just can't believe it.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

******* ********.

[SuperKevin]

I'm done with baseball for this year

[AlexDown]

Great outing by Santana this game. Looks like he DID come up when it mattered....

How is the pitching going to work tomorrow?

[MaxV]

I'm done with baseball for this year

Don't give up yet Kev.

We still have a shot.

YA GOTTA BELIEVE!!!!

[MaxV]

Great outing by Santana this game. Looks like he DID come up when it mattered....

How is the pitching going to work tomorrow?

I believe the probables are Ollie vs. Olsen.

I hope Ollie brings his A game.

[Bruce Banner]

Yes, I know that his presence drew other FAs towards the Mets

What? He created a discount?

[MaxV]

BTW, in case you guys are wondering, the scheduled pitching matchup for Brewers-Cubs game is Sabathia vs. Zambrano.

GO BIG Z!!!!!

[ATLDirtyBirds]

BTW, in case you guys are wondering, the scheduled pitching matchup for Brewers-Cubs game is Sabathia vs. Zambrano.

GO BIG Z!!!!!


Cubs scratched him actually.

[MaxV]

Cubs scratched him actually.

****!!!!

Well, we'll NEED the win.

[Giantsfan1080]

It all comes down to one game yet again.

[MaxV]

I so want to put "YA GOTTA BELIEVE!!!!" in my sig, but it didn't work last year.

[Giantsfan1080]

I so want to put "YA GOTTA BELIEVE!!!!" in my sig, but it didn't work last year.

Well hopefully Ollie doesn't go out there and pull a Glavine. The team was never going to win after what Glavine did last year. I still can't believe he went out there and let up so many runs in that 1st inning. It should be a special day at Shea tomorrow with all the old stars there and I hope they take care of their business. Being a Mets fan is tough and frustrating that's for sure.

[MaxV]

Well hopefully Ollie doesn't go out there and pull a Glavine. The team was never going to win after what Glavine did last year. I still can't believe he went out there and let up so many runs in that 1st inning. It should be a special day at Shea tomorrow with all the old stars there and I hope they take care of their business. Being a Mets fan is tough and frustrating that's for sure.

It's never dull either.

[roughrider30]

This is the inning where Perez falls apart

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Endy is a machine.

[roughrider30]

That was Crazy

[MaxV]

******* FIGURES!!!

Man, I wish we would've been 15 games behind. This is just effin cruel.

Well, Goodbye Shea.

[AlexDown]

I'm glad the Mets addressed the biggest problem last season this season.

Oh wait, 29 blown saves this season.

Ugh...

[SuperKevin]

I hate being a Mets fan in September

[ATLDirtyBirds]

It's a damn shame. As the guys said though, is there anything more fitting then Shea going out with a low?

[SuperKevin]

I made sure I gave all of us Mets fans some pity +rep

[roughrider30]

It's a damn shame. As the guys said though, is there anything more fitting then Shea going out with a low?

ya that definitely put a damper on it. The ceremony was still nice to see though

[LTgiants]

I made sure I gave all of us Mets fans some pity +rep

well then where is my rep at? i no i havent posted here in a long time but i started this thread

[AlexDown]

You started this thread because your an opportunist and like one second after the other met thread was closed you created this one and haven't posted since. And the only reason you posted now is to get some rep.

[LTgiants]

i made the thread cause i am a met fan and i wanted met fans to have thread to talk about the mets and i haven't posted since cause i have been busy and haven't been able to until now ya my first post back was about rep but only cause Kevin said he was going to give rep to all met fans. I could care less about rep its not my entire life revolves around my rep rating on this site.

[SuperKevin]

i made the thread cause i am a met fan and i wanted met fans to have thread to talk about the mets and i haven't posted since cause i have been busy and haven't been able to until now ya my first post back was about rep but only cause Kevin said he was going to give rep to all met fans. I could care less about rep its not my entire life revolves around my rep rating on this site.

I didn't even know you were a Mets fan.

[Giantsfan1080]

So who do you guys want to def see on the team next year? For me it's Santana, Pelfrey, Maine, Reyes, Wright, Beltran. As far as I'm concerned everyone besides them are expendable. I know there is going to be a lot of talk to get rid of Reyes again but with the numbers he puts up and defense he plays it's impossible to replace him.

[MaxV]

Get rid of Reyes? I hope you mean Argenis. It would be STUPID to get rid of Jose.

I agree with your list. Plus Delgado, Perez (if they price is right), Murphy, Smith, Stokes.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I'd hold onto Reyes, Wright, and Santana for sure. Everyone else could be moved. Hell. I'd accept Hanley for Reyes, Pujols for Wright, and Lincecum for Santana though.

[MaxV]

If you trade Reyes for Hanley, you would need to get a SS who isn't among the worst defensively.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

If you trade Reyes for Hanley, you would need to get a SS who isn't among the worst defensively.


Except for that part where Hanley has a better range factor, zone rating, and only 4 more errors.

[Forenci]

I'd hold onto Reyes, Wright, and Santana for sure. Everyone else could be moved. Hell. I'd accept Hanley for Reyes, Pujols for Wright, and Lincecum for Santana though.

Well of course, although I wouldn't do Santana for Lincecum. Lincecum mechanics will get him injured if he continues to pitch like that and he has never pitched a big game in his life.

Get rid of Reyes? I hope you mean Argenis. It would be STUPID to get rid of Jose.

I agree with your list. Plus Delgado, Perez (if they price is right), Murphy, Smith, Stokes.

I agree with all of those except Stokes. Stokes really hasn't done anything and is terrible at getting left handers out. I'd like to hang onto Nick Evans too.

Except for that part where Hanley has a better range factor, zone rating, and only 4 more errors.

Uh yeah except you're forgetting the part where Hanley isn't a short stop and is much worse defensively. Errors, zone rating, and range factor don't mean anything in terms of how good a player is defensively.

Reyes is a much better defensive short stop and it really isn't even close.

[roughrider30]

We've got to keep Reyes. He's still young and has some room to improve and he is much better defensively than Hanley.

Santana, Pelfrey, Maine, Reyes, Wright, Beltran, and Murphy are my untouchables as well. Otherwise, eveyone else is free game as far as I am concerned.

however, I dont feel this team needs a complete makeover. I think they just need to shake a few things up, and, of course get a bullpen that don't serve up batting practice fastballs.

[Giantsfan1080]

I like Murphy a lot but he has no position. If we could get a player for him that fits a need then we have to do it.

[roughrider30]

I like Murphy a lot but he has no position. If we could get a player for him that fits a need then we have to do it.

Ya thats true. What about converting Murphy into a 2B. I know that's kind of wishful thinking.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Well of course, although I wouldn't do Santana for Lincecum. Lincecum mechanics will get him injured if he continues to pitch like that and he has never pitched a big game in his life.



I agree with all of those except Stokes. Stokes really hasn't done anything and is terrible at getting left handers out. I'd like to hang onto Nick Evans too.



Uh yeah except you're forgetting the part where Hanley isn't a short stop and is much worse defensively. Errors, zone rating, and range factor don't mean anything in terms of how good a player is defensively.

Reyes is a much better defensive short stop and it really isn't even close.


Nick Evans is garbarge. He is a platoon player. He can't hit right handers. And Reyes might have a better glove, but Hanley has better range. Reyes has a better arm, but to say Reyes is way above is just silly. Range Factor and Zone Rating are absolutely valid stats.

[Giantsfan1080]

Nick Evans is garbarge. He is a platoon player. He can't hit right handers. And Reyes might have a better glove, but Hanley has better range. Reyes has a better arm, but to say Reyes is way above is just silly. Range Factor and Zone Rating are absolutely valid stats.

How can you say Evans is garbage when he barely has 200 ab's. Give the kid some time he has shown some potential. I forget your the one who wanted to throw Pelfrey under the bus also so quick and look at how that turned out. Patience!!

[Giantsfan1080]

Ya thats true. What about converting Murphy into a 2B. I know that's kind of wishful thinking.

Well they are going to try that out in the AFL it seems like. It's a good idea but I'm not sure how well defensively he would be there. His bat should allow him to stick there though.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

How can you say Evans is garbage when he barely has 200 ab's. Give the kid some time he has shown some potential. I forget your the one who wanted to throw Pelfrey under the bus also so quick and look at how that turned out. Patience!!


While Pelfrey's made great strides, he still has an ERA of almost 5 away from Shea. He still has something to prove. Not to mention it wasn't quickly throwing him under the bus. He always left me with a sore taste in my mouth because I wanted Maybin, but he was pretty terrible for 2+ years. Evans is a pure LH guy. Not only are his stats atrocious this year, but those stats are paded because he hits .298 against lefties as opposed to .226 vs RHP. And if I'm not mistaken, his minor league stats echo this.

[MaxV]

Evans always hit better vs. lefties, but, in the Minors, the difference wasn't quiet as noticeable.

As far as Murphy being converted to 2b, I don't think it'll work. He'll probably be another Dan Uggla defensively. No Thanks.

I actually like Murph at corner OF. He has made some nice plays there. He's not a liability there.

[SuperKevin]

If trading Dan Murphy means getting a strong relief pitcher than I say pull the trigger

[MaxV]

If trading Dan Murphy means getting a strong relief pitcher than I say pull the trigger

Good closer, yes, but not for a middle reliever.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Evans always hit better vs. lefties, but, in the Minors, the difference wasn't quiet as noticeable.

As far as Murphy being converted to 2b, I don't think it'll work. He'll probably be another Dan Uggla defensively. No Thanks.

I actually like Murph at corner OF. He has made some nice plays there. He's not a liability there.


Murphy's bat isn't corner outfield quality though. I mean, let's be really honest here. He played way above his minor league stats, and still posted a .870 OPS. I'm sure his stats will go down somewhat next year, and we can't afford that in a prime hitting position. He's much move valuable at 2nd. We just have to hope and pray.

[SuperKevin]

Good closer, yes, but not for a middle reliever.

Our 6th-8th innings are horrible though.

[MaxV]

Murphy's ability to hit to the opposite field suggests he should hit for good average. Obviously, he won't hit .350, but .290 isn't out of the question.

His power is solid, but far from spectacular. And unless he uses 'roids, it won't improve much.

[Giantsfan1080]

Murphy's ability to hit to the opposite field suggests he should hit for good average. Obviously, he won't hit .350, but .290 isn't out of the question.

His power is solid, but far from spectacular. And unless he uses 'roids, it won't improve much.

Exactly he'll never have enough power for a corner OF. Also, we have Martinez who should be up at some point next year.

[Jughead10]

Exactly he'll never have enough power for a corner OF. Also, we have Martinez who should be up at some point next year.

Murphy is older but has more power than Martinez has now. Of course Matinez is still likely to develop at the very worst a little more power (hopefully for you guys), but than again Murphy could a well.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Murphy is older but has more power than Martinez has now. Of course Matinez is still likely to develop at the very worst a little more power (hopefully for you guys), but than again Murphy could a well.



Fernando's going to develop more power. He actually had a pretty good season when you look what the averages were for the league and that he's 2-4 years under the average.

[Jughead10]

Fernando's going to develop more power. He actually had a pretty good season when you look what the averages were for the league and that he's 2-4 years under the average.

I agree in a sense. I just wouldn't write off Murphy as someone who will never hit with enough power to play a corner position in the majors while at the same time expecting Martinez to in the next two years.

[Giantsfan1080]

I agree in a sense. I just wouldn't write off Murphy as someone who will never hit with enough power to play a corner position in the majors while at the same time expecting Martinez to in the next two years.

No one is writing Murphy off but Martinez is more likely to develop a power bat. As we said everyone likes Murphy we just don't know where we could fit him. The out of the box move would be to move Wright to 1st after Delgado leaves and put Murphy at 3rd.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

No one is writing Murphy off but Martinez is more likely to develop a power bat. As we said everyone likes Murphy we just don't know where we could fit him. The out of the box move would be to move Wright to 1st after Delgado leaves and put Murphy at 3rd.


I'm kind of writing him off. I see a 15-20 HR guy. 25 max. That's not something I want at a prime offensive position, seeing as he will probably never be a great gloveman. I just think he's more of a doubles hitter. Let's just say for example, .300/17/.375.....that is a lot more valuable at 2B then it is in LF.


And is anyone else all for Manny? We really could use a good RH bat. Our offense really clicked much better with Alou in there.

[Giantsfan1080]

I'm kind of writing him off. I see a 15-20 HR guy. 25 max. That's not something I want at a prime offensive position, seeing as he will probably never be a great gloveman. I just think he's more of a doubles hitter. Let's just say for example, .300/17/.375.....that is a lot more valuable at 2B then it is in LF.


And is anyone else all for Manny? We really could use a good RH bat. Our offense really clicked much better with Alou in there.

I wanted Manny at the trading deadline knowing one player can really put you over the hump. I don't know what kind of contract he's going to want in the offseason but I don't think Omar goes in that direction.

[SuperKevin]

I'm kind of writing him off. I see a 15-20 HR guy. 25 max. That's not something I want at a prime offensive position, seeing as he will probably never be a great gloveman. I just think he's more of a doubles hitter. Let's just say for example, .300/17/.375.....that is a lot more valuable at 2B then it is in LF.


And is anyone else all for Manny? We really could use a good RH bat. Our offense really clicked much better with Alou in there.

If we can play Ryan Church who is a doubles hitter with limited range in RF then we can certainly play Dan Murphy in RF. I think our offense would be a lot better if we put more of an emphasis with getting on base like the Rays seem to.

I wouldn't be opposed to Manny but I'm afraid of his glove. I think he only has 2 seasons max left as an outfielder.

[Jughead10]

If we can play Ryan Church who is a doubles hitter with limited range in RF then we can certainly play Dan Murphy in RF. I think our offense would be a lot better if we put more of an emphasis with getting on base like the Rays seem to.

I wouldn't be opposed to Manny but I'm afraid of his glove. I think he only has 2 seasons max left as an outfielder.

They were saying today that Church could be someone who gets moved. Apparently he hates it in NY and isn't crazy about his teammates.

[AlexDown]

They were saying today that Church could be someone who gets moved. Apparently he hates it in NY and isn't crazy about his teammates.

Wow really? I never heard anything about this.

[Jughead10]

Wow really? I never heard anything about this.

It was the first I had heard of it as well.

[Giantsfan1080]

They were saying today that Church could be someone who gets moved. Apparently he hates it in NY and isn't crazy about his teammates.

Turns out that was Francesa and Heyman making up things as usual. The real truth is this:

“Church revealed that his wife Tina was driven to tears by the standing ovation the Shea faithful gave before his first at-bat (after returning from the disabled list). The hard-nosed Church said the fans’ embrace cemented his desire to spend the rest of his career in Flushing. He’s even open to signing a long-term contract now to wipe away his arbitration years.”

[ATLDirtyBirds]

If we can play Ryan Church who is a doubles hitter with limited range in RF then we can certainly play Dan Murphy in RF. I think our offense would be a lot better if we put more of an emphasis with getting on base like the Rays seem to.

I wouldn't be opposed to Manny but I'm afraid of his glove. I think he only has 2 seasons max left as an outfielder.


I agree with you there. If you have one. But when you compile your OF with 2 of those types, you are heading for trouble. It'd be tough to win with sub 25 HR's from your corner OF's, little production from 2nd, and average production from catcher.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Ambiorix Burgos, you waste of life. After allegedy biting, slapping, punching, and all around man-handling his girlfriend about a month ago, there are reports now that he ran over two women and killed them in a hit and run. He turned himself in for questioning for that, and the fact that he had 12 unregistered weapons.

[Forenci]

If we can play Ryan Church who is a doubles hitter with limited range in RF then we can certainly play Dan Murphy in RF. I think our offense would be a lot better if we put more of an emphasis with getting on base like the Rays seem to.

I wouldn't be opposed to Manny but I'm afraid of his glove. I think he only has 2 seasons max left as an outfielder.

Eh? I agree with Church being a doubles hitter but I'm not really sure why you're saying he has limited range in right field. Surprisingly for a guy with just above average speed he has a great range in right field. If he had played all year there's a good chance he'd be joining Beltran in getting a gold glove. While his offense was shaky at the end the one thing you could always count on with Church is he'd play a superb right field.

Murphy and Evans, while making some solid plays in left, both don't look like naturals in left field. I can live with Evans there because he's not too bad defensively and if he gives you the 25+ home runs as he's expected to over the course of the year then it's not really an issue.

Also ATL, I want zero to do with Manny. He's one of the best hitters ever but he's absolutely pathetic in terms of defense and that's not to mention the **** he pulled in Boston to get his way and be traded.

Not to mention the 25 million dollars a year you'll need to take him away from the Dodgers.

I'd rather spend the money on completely re-tooling the bullpen.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Manny will probably end up costing 3 years, 20-22 million per, with an option when it's all said and done. And Murphy and Evans (the alternative options) are far from wizards with the glove.


And we need to bring Bobby V back, now.

[Giantsfan1080]

I would have loved to bring Bobby back but it looks like that's not going to happen.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Burgos can't hit the strike zone, but he had no problem hitting those two women.

[SuperKevin]

I can't believe we traded Brian Bannister for Burgos. :(

[Giantsfan1080]

I can't believe we traded Brian Bannister for Burgos. :(

I can it was a good move at the time. It's not like Bannister is that good anyway. Had over a 5 e.r.a. by the time the year was over.

[SuperKevin]

I can it was a good move at the time. It's not like Bannister is that good anyway. Had over a 5 e.r.a. by the time the year was over.

I guess I just like Bannister a lot. I think he'd be an excellent middle of the rotation starter

[Giantsfan1080]

I guess I just like Bannister a lot. I think he'd be an excellent middle of the rotation starter

I liked him also but I thought it was a great gamble to get Burgos arm in the bullpen. Peterson would have fixed him but who knew he would need TJ surgery. Bannister is only in a rotation because the Royals are a backwards organization.

[Forenci]

Manny will probably end up costing 3 years, 20-22 million per, with an option when it's all said and done. And Murphy and Evans (the alternative options) are far from wizards with the glove.


And we need to bring Bobby V back, now.

Hah, you're completely fooling yourself if you think he'd cost us 20-22 million. The Dodgers will offer him that no questions asked. The only way he ends up playing for the Mets is if we give him 25 million a year. It's really not worth it.

I'd take Murphy and Evans over Manny Ramirez if left field any day. If only because the reason why Murphy and Evans struggle is because of their inexperience at the position where Manny just doesn't care about playing defense.