New York Mets

[MaxV]

Nice list.

I would still put Fernando as #1 but Mejia is a big time talent also.

[Giantsfan1080]

Nice list.

I would still put Fernando as #1 but Mejia is a big time talent also.

We have pretty much the same rankings just some minor differences. It's real close between Fernando and Mejia for me but Martinez really needs to show he can stay healthy for a full year. When he was on the field in AAA he was excellent but the injuries are starting to worry me a bit.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Who else is pumped to watch a bunch of Omar **** ups this offseason?

[Giantsfan1080]

Who else is pumped to watch a bunch of Omar **** ups this offseason?

I'm an optimist. Omar is going to revert back to his 05/06 form.

[MaxV]

My expectations have been lowered significantly over the last couple of years.

BTW, Omar better pick a star with this high pick.

[Giantsfan1080]

BA's Top 10 List done by Adam Rubin:

1. Jenrry Mejia
2. Wilmer Flores
3. Fernando Martinez
4. Ike Davis
5. Brad Holt
6. Jon Niese
7. Reese Havens
8. Josh Thole
9. Ruben Tejada
10. Juan Urbina

I have tons of problems with this list even though I do like Mejia at #1.

[AlexDown]

My expectations have been lowered significantly over the last couple of years.

BTW, Omar better pick a star with this high pick.

In regards to the Mets seasons the last couple of years, after the loss in the NLCS to the Cardinals I was hoping to make another run for the title the following year.

After missing out on the postseason by one game, I was hoping for playoffs the next year.

After again missing the posteason by one game again, all I hoped for were to play some meaningful games in September.

And I didn't even see that this year! I'm not lowering my expectations anymore! Hopefully we can stay healthy.

[Damix]

Is Tony Pena's kid gotta be any kind of prospect?

[fischbowl]

Is Tony Pena's kid gotta be any kind of prospect?

Big Frankie is god awful

And GF I hate that list too

[MaxV]

Well, I don't hate that list. I guess they are really high on Urbina's kid.

[SuperKevin]

I'm hoping to make it up to NY to see a game at Citi next year.

[MaxV]

Here's a quote from Baseball America article regarding our system:

Though the Mets bring in more money than most big league clubs, they continued to remain conservative in the draft. They spent just $3.1 million on the 2009 draft, the lowest figure in baseball.

That pisses me off.

[SuperKevin]

Yeah that really sucks

[fischbowl]

Here's a quote from Baseball America article regarding our system:



That pisses me off.

Mind you they did not have a pick until the 3rd Round.

[MaxV]

Mind you they did not have a pick until the 3rd Round.

Which is exactly why they should've drafted more talented HS players who fell due to signability.

[fischbowl]

Which is exactly why they should've drafted more talented HS players who fell due to signability.

Risky, many factors to be held in that. Strength of college commitment, agent, negotiating power, budget, what have you. They did go with the HS talent in Matz but the collegiate safe route that followed with Shields and Ceciliani was the way to go.

[Giantsfan1080]

We messed up in the draft big time. We didn't even sign everyone we took in the top 10 rounds which makes no sense. How could we not go over budget when we knew thats what Magnifico wanted.

[Giantsfan1080]

Is Tony Pena's kid gotta be any kind of prospect?

If we keep him in St. Lucie next year I think he's going to have a huge year.

[Giantsfan1080]

So who does everyone want to go after this offseason?

[Forenci]

So who does everyone want to go after this offseason?

Excluding trades?

If so Lackey should be the number one target. Granted I would pass on him if his price tag is outrageous, but I think a good number two pitcher is needed more than anything. I'm not a huge Lackey fan, but he's a pretty solid pitcher and has proven he can be good in the playoffs.

I think our offense is alright if we can get everyone healthy, but getting Holliday wouldn't be bad either. Clearly not for what that lunatic Boras is asking for, but if we can get him for 15 mil a year or somewhere around that I suppose it'd be tolerable.

My big thing is if we make any trades I don't want us giving up Mejia or Ike Davis. I think we will need Davis in the future and Mejia I think is going to be a stud.

[fischbowl]

Mejia can't get an out in the AFL. His WHIP is over 3

[Forenci]

Mejia can't get an out in the AFL. His WHIP is over 3

So? He still has a lingering finger injury and is pitching in the AFL which is notorious for being great for hitters.

[fischbowl]

So? He still has a lingering finger injury and is pitching in the AFL which is notorious for being great for hitters.

A strained finger in June? Still lingering today? Really?

[Forenci]

A strained finger in June? Still lingering today? Really?

Well he probably should have been shut down after it happened and there was a lot of talk it could have been season ending but a lot of that was overblown. Still, if a pitcher is having a issue with a finger it can have a huge effect on him, particularly on his control which Mejia is struggling with. He is still throwing with superb velocity though which is promising.

In fact he was scratched from one his starts recently because it if I remember correctly.

[Giantsfan1080]

I could give 2 s***** about Mejia in the AFL. His stuff is actually really good from what I've seen from Pitch F/X. He's still a top 30-40 guy in the minors.

[Giantsfan1080]

Excluding trades?

If so Lackey should be the number one target. Granted I would pass on him if his price tag is outrageous, but I think a good number two pitcher is needed more than anything. I'm not a huge Lackey fan, but he's a pretty solid pitcher and has proven he can be good in the playoffs.

I think our offense is alright if we can get everyone healthy, but getting Holliday wouldn't be bad either. Clearly not for what that lunatic Boras is asking for, but if we can get him for 15 mil a year or somewhere around that I suppose it'd be tolerable.

My big thing is if we make any trades I don't want us giving up Mejia or Ike Davis. I think we will need Davis in the future and Mejia I think is going to be a stud.

We always agree on everything pretty much so I'm with you on this. I'd try and get creative with some stuff but we could really go in any direction. I'm really not sure what the FO is going to do though.

[MaxV]

To be honest, I want us to go conservative in Free Agency.

The worst thing Omar can do is leave the team with a bunch of unmovable 35+ year-olds with big multi-year contracts.

[LTgiants]

anyone want to be my co-gm in the mock off season here?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Hey, what do ya know? The Mets further proves their complete and utter incompetence. Good work fellas.

[Giantsfan1080]

4 years 16 mil per isn't terrible. I'd rather have had Holliday but I don't hate this deal. There is literally nothing else out there.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

4 years 16 mil per isn't terrible. I'd rather have had Holliday but I don't hate this deal. There is literally nothing else out there.

It is terrible seeing as Jason Bay's defense is tremendously bad and is only going to get worse. Not to mention, his deal is likely backloaded too. I mean, there is something else out there, and you can even agree you'd rather have him. It's just another **** up by the New York Mets.

[MaxV]

Like I've said before, we need Pitching. BADLY. REALLY BADLY.

This is a band-aid on a DEEP wound.

I don't mind the signing, we shouldn't have traded him in the first place (yes, he was with the Mets' organization, among several before he made MLB debut).

[Giantsfan1080]

He wasn't projected as a top OF when we traded him.

[MaxV]

He wasn't projected as a top OF when we traded him.

Yeah, I remember. Most didn't even consider him as a true prospect.


The Mets dealt him to the San Diego Padres for Jason Middlebrook at the 2002 trading deadline.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jason_Bay


Ha, Jason Middlebrook.

[Giantsfan1080]

That was still a bad trade. The great Steve Phillips.

[Giantsfan1080]

The Escobar and Igarashi signings were also very good but no one gives credit when it's due. People just like to pummel Omar for nothing. We've had the best record in the NL over the last 4 years. We get another pitcher or 2 and we can be in the mix.

[MaxV]

The Escobar and Igarashi signings were also very good but no one gives credit when it's due. People just like to pummel Omar for nothing. We've had the best record in the NL over the last 4 years. We get another pitcher or 2 and we can be in the mix.

I'm afraid it'll take A LOT to challenge Philly.

I am hopeful that they can add enough to be competitive at least.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

The Escobar and Igarashi signings were also very good but no one gives credit when it's due. People just like to pummel Omar for nothing. We've had the best record in the NL over the last 4 years. We get another pitcher or 2 and we can be in the mix.


The bullpen signings were good moves. This comes a year after that awful Putz trade and K-Rod contract though. It's not hard to win a lot of games when you spend this kind of money.

[Giantsfan1080]

You're right ATL but what would you be doing differently? You'd sign Holliday which is even more money and spread out over 3 more years probably. Everyone is quick to bash without offering an idea of their own.

[MaxV]

Who else is Omar considering?

[Giantsfan1080]

Who else is Omar considering?

Who knows. I'm hearing Carlos Zambrano lately.

[MaxV]

Who knows. I'm hearing Carlos Zambrano lately.

That hothead in NY?

Hmmm, I don't see it.

[Giantsfan1080]

That hothead in NY?

Hmmm, I don't see it.

He's Venezuelan. Apparently he's good friends with Santana and Escobar. Might be one of those change of scenery deals that could work out. He certainly would be a #2.

[MaxV]

John Sickels' version of Mets' top 20 prospects:

1) Jenrry Mejia, RHP, Grade B+: He needs to refine his breaking ball and a full year of Double-A/Triple-A is necessary in my view, but he also has number one starter potential. I hope they don't rush him.

2) Wilmer Flores, SS, Grade B+: Considering the age/competition differential, he had a pretty good year. Hard to get a handle on him sabermetrically as a result, but I'll give him some slack.

3) Fernando Martinez, OF, Grade B+: People are now too negative on him. The guy was the equivalent of a college sophomore last year. If a college sophomore got drafted and hit .290/.337/.540 in Triple-A, people would be drooling over him. He's made significant progress refining his tools. My main concern now is health and durability, which keeps him from ranking higher.

4) Ike Davis, 1B, Grade B: Showed he could hit for power, also has a fine glove. But I think he looks more like a solid regular than a future star.

5) Jon Niese, LHP, Grade B: Assuming the hamstring is OK, I see him as a slightly above average starting pitcher, classic number three guy.

6) Reese Havens, SS, Grade B-: He'll need to switch positions, and health is an issue. Has power and draws walks, and I think the batting average will come up if he stays healthy.

7) Kyle Allen, RHP, Grade B-: Significantly underrated prospect who deserves more attention than he's received. Breakout candidate for '10. I expect this ranking will surprise people.

8) Jeurys Familia, RHP, Grade B-: Like his teammate Allen at Savannah, Familia could break through big in '10. This is another ranking I expect will surprise people.

9) Brad Holt, RHP, Grade C+: I don't like the way he fell apart in Double-A, but the arm strength still deserves respect. Perhaps he might do better in relief.

10) Ruben Tejada, INF, Grade C+: At worst a fine utility guy, but given his youth (age 20) and contact hitting ability he could get beyond that. I like him as a sleeper for long-term success.

11) Kirk Nieuwenhuis, OF, Grade C+: The strikeouts scare me a little, but he has a broad range of skills.

12) Eric Niesen, LHP, Grade C+: You have to love the velocity and movement on his pitches, but command still holds him back.

13) Jefry Marte, 3B, Grade C+: Didn't handle the rush job as well as Flores did, but he's too young to give up on. Plate discipline a big problem.

14) Cesar Puello, OF, Grade C: Excellent tools, showed speed and power potential in the Appy League but weak plate discipline worries me. Could rank much higher next year if he handles more advanced pitching.

15) Josh Thole, C, Grade C: He can hit for average, but has no power and defense is mediocre. Sounds like a bench guy to me.

16) Juan Urbina, LHP, Grade C: He was born a week after I got my master's degree. I'm getting really freaking old. Has the raw potential to rank higher than this but let's see him pitch first.

17) Steve Matz, LHP, Grade C: I think cold-weather high school pitchers are often underrated in comparison to their warm weather counterparts. We'll see if Matz fits that profile.

18) Brent Rustich, RHP, Grade C: If he can stay healthy, he could help in the Mets pen sooner than expected.

19) Tobi Stoner, RHP, Grade C: Could contribute in '10 as fifth starter/long relief type.

20) Dillon Gee, RHP, Grade C: Like Stoner, he can contribute this year, assuming his shoulder rehab has gone well.

OTHERS: (Grade C): Eric Beaulac, RHP; Shawn Bowman, 3B; Robert Carson, LHP; Zach Dotson, LHP; Lucas Duda, 1B; Clint Everts, RHP; Carlos Guzman, OF; Zach Lutz, 3B; Roy Merritt, LHP; Scott Moviel, RHP; Sean Ratliff, OF; Aderlin Rodriguez, 3B; Armando Rodriguez, RHP; Nick Santomauro, OF; Josh Satin, UT: Scott Shaw, RHP; Josh Stinson, RHP; Robbie Shields, SS; Nelfi Zapata, C.

http://www.minorleagueball.com/2010/1/8/1240420/new-york-mets-top-20-prospects-for

[Giantsfan1080]

Beltran out 12 weeks. Way to begin where we left off last year.

[MaxV]

Uggghh. Same old.

I hope we aren't done in the off-season. Plenty of holes left.

[Giantsfan1080]

Uggghh. Same old.

I hope we aren't done in the off-season. Plenty of holes left.

I still think we have some moves left but who knows if we need another OF now. Hopefully Pagan can play well in Beltran's absence or we need to rely on Fernando.

[MaxV]

I know Molina is the main focus right now, but are there any other names popping up?

I'm really hoping we can get a good starter?

[Giantsfan1080]

I know Molina is the main focus right now, but are there any other names popping up?

I'm really hoping we can get a good starter?

Us and the Dodgers in for Piniero. Our offer is 2 years $15 million which would be a bargain IMO.

[Giantsfan1080]

Keith Law ranked us 15th in his organizational rankings. That's about right I think.

[MaxV]

Yeah, that sounds about right.

Some interesting prospects in top levels and a bunch in lower levels.

[Giantsfan1080]

Yeah, that sounds about right.

Some interesting prospects in top levels and a bunch in lower levels.

Keith Law has us ranked the highest out of all the other publications I've seen so far. Everyone is hating on us lately.

[Forenci]

Keith Law has us ranked the highest out of all the other publications I've seen so far. Everyone is hating on us lately.

It happens. We had a bad farm system a few years ago and most notable media outlets just roll with that because we haven't produced any big time players out of the farm system in recent years. Of course I am excluding Reyes/Wright because I'm talking more in the time span of the last three years.

[MaxV]

Yeah, often times Mets' prospects aren't getting the respect.

[Forenci]

It probably also has to do with the fact a lot of our high upside prospects are in the lower/middle portion of the farm system. This year will be huge in deciding how our farm system is. If a guy like Mejia can come up to the bull pen by years end and make an impact, if Thole can hit and be an adequate defensive catcher by the middle of year and if F-Mart can continue to rake and improve in AAA I think we're well on our way.

All of those arms we had in Savannah will have a big chance to prove themselves this year too. That's huge for us. If Kyle Allen, Familia, Beaulac, etc. can prove themselves in A+/AA it'd be huge.

[MaxV]

This is a very interesting story from today's Daily News regarding the late Mets' prospect Brian Cole.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/baseball/mets/2010/01/27/2010-01-27_tragedy_haunts_mets.html

I remember one scout was quoted as calling him "Kenny Lofton with power".

[Giantsfan1080]

I loved Brian Cole when he was a prospect. He was one of the top guys when I first started following the minors. I saw him play live and thought he would have been a great Met. Shame what happened.

[Giantsfan1080]

It probably also has to do with the fact a lot of our high upside prospects are in the lower/middle portion of the farm system. This year will be huge in deciding how our farm system is. If a guy like Mejia can come up to the bull pen by years end and make an impact, if Thole can hit and be an adequate defensive catcher by the middle of year and if F-Mart can continue to rake and improve in AAA I think we're well on our way.

All of those arms we had in Savannah will have a big chance to prove themselves this year too. That's huge for us. If Kyle Allen, Familia, Beaulac, etc. can prove themselves in A+/AA it'd be huge.

The only problem is I can see us graduating Martinez, Thole, and Niese this year at least. I thin Familia is going to take the Mejia step up this year. Davis also might be our full time 1B by August.

[MaxV]

Chat with Keith Law:

Nick (Long Island, NY)

You have been one of F-Mart's biggest fans over the years, even after others have soured on him. That's why I was surprised when I saw you have him at #73. If he can somehow stay healthy this season, do you see him returning to elite prospect status?

Klaw
He has to stay healthy, show that the lost development time hasn't hurt him, and show a better work ethic. Everything came too fast for him, I think.

Mr. Must See TV (Writing From Wilpon's Office)
I know that Wilmer's footwork and lack of speed will prevent him from staying at short or third, but don't you think his strong arm can play in right field. Also, I think Kirk Nieuwenhuis can make a very good #4 outfielder. Thoughts?

Klaw
Yes, I think Flores can play LF/RF. And that's what I think Nieuwenhuis is, which is why he wasn't on my Mets top 10.

Mike (MO)
Does Reese Havens have the potential to be a top 50 guy? Above avg regular or just another guy?

Klaw
Just a guy, not a star for me.

Kevin (New York)
Ever play Axis and Allies, great WWII board game.Josh Thole, how close is he? I know there are questions about his glove, but the man did hit .340 in AA.

Klaw
Not a fan of Axis and Allies. It takes a week and a half to set up. Thole's bat plays now, although an organization that gets its pants all tight over Bengie Molina probably doesn't see him that way. But he has limited catching experience and could use more time back there before he's handed a big league job.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/30543/mlb-insider-keith-law

[Giantsfan1080]

The Martinez thing is news to me. The only lack of effort I've ever seen from him was that one terrible baserunning error. Besides that I've heard good things all around.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

In his appearance last night on SNY’s Mets Hot Stove, host Kevin Burkhardt asked Minaya if he feels his team has improved in those areas this off season, to which he said Jason Bay and Jeff Francoeur are better defensive players than last year’s Opening Day left fielder and right fielder, Daniel Murphy and Ryan Church. He believes Gary Matthews Jr. and Angel Pagan will play a very good defensive center field.


You are the greatest Omar.

[Giantsfan1080]

As of now we basically have the exact same team as we did last year going into Spring Training. All that is different is we replaced Bay for Delgado and made some small bullpen moves. It's a big if but if everyone stays healthy we should compete for the Wild Card.

[MaxV]

As of now we basically have the exact same team as we did last year going into Spring Training. All that is different is we replaced Bay for Delgado and made some small bullpen moves. It's a big if but if everyone stays healthy we should compete for the Wild Card.

As usual, you're the optimistic one. :)

It would take a career season for several players for us to compete for a playoff spot imo.

[Giantsfan1080]

As usual, you're the optimistic one. :)

It would take a career season for several players for us to compete for a playoff spot imo.

I think if everyone playd to their abilities we can compete. Pelfrey and Perez are the keys right now. I need to have some fun from this upcoming season. I'll probabaly be into the minors even more though this year if things go downhill fast though haha.

[MaxV]

You know me, I'll be deep into minors even if Mets dominate (unlikely).

[Giantsfan1080]

You know me, I'll be deep into minors even if Mets dominate (unlikely).

I am also but I'll look forward to the minors more this year I suppose.

[Forenci]

As usual, you're the optimistic one. :)

It would take a career season for several players for us to compete for a playoff spot imo.

Career seasons? Eh, not really true. If Ollie/Maine can be 2007 good, or about equal to that, we could certainly have a shot at the playoffs.

Personally I think we don't make the playoffs this year, but will the year after presuming we address some issues with the reasonably big free agency class coming up.

Hopefully we don't do something stupid though and sign Carl Crawford.

[MaxV]

The best way to get on the right path is Farm System.

This is an important year for our system. Our talented youngsters have to develop.

[Forenci]

Anyone see the spot with Jose Reyes on SNY the other day? He was running full speed and working out pretty hard it looked. I'm excited, I can't wait to see him play. Not having him this year just reminded me why he's my favorite player on the Mets bar none.

[MaxV]

Anyone see the spot with Jose Reyes on SNY the other day? He was running full speed and working out pretty hard it looked. I'm excited, I can't wait to see him play. Not having him this year just reminded me why he's my favorite player on the Mets bar none.

No question, if Mets are to have a successful season they need Reyes to be healthy the whole season.

[Giantsfan1080]

I can't wait to see Reyes play again.

[Giantsfan1080]

Well less than a week to go untill pitchers and catchers. I'm still pumped regardless off all the bashing we get everywhere.

[MaxV]

I'm still recovering from the Super Bowl heartbreak. As far as the Mets, I'm cautiously optimistic.

Who do you guys think is the best option for #5 starter spot?

[Giantsfan1080]

That's true Max at least you had that run even though it ended like it did. I'm going to go with Nieve for now untill Niese is 100% back. I'd give him a month in AAA and then bring him up if Nieve isn't doing the job.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Well less than a week to go untill pitchers and catchers. I'm still pumped regardless off all the bashing we get everywhere.


I'm excited for a couple individuals. Hopefully they don't disappoint again. Unless a major miracle happens, it's pretty much a given the Mets won't be much more than average.

[Giantsfan1080]

Well like Max said I'll be cautiously optimistic. We'll need to have a lot of above average years but you never know. We still have a lot of star players that can hopefully bring us into Wild Card contention. I also haven't been this excited for the minors since the days when Reyes and Wright were tearing it up. I've always followed closely but I really like our system. Lots of guys are going to make big impressions this year including Familia, Allen, and Nieuenhweis. I also think the big guys like Mejia, Davis, and Martinez will show us they are going to help this time now or very soon.

[Forenci]

I'm excited for a couple individuals. Hopefully they don't disappoint again. Unless a major miracle happens, it's pretty much a given the Mets won't be much more than average.

Probably but I'm still going to enjoy the season as long as Reyes, Wright and Santana are healthy. I think Reyes is going to destroy the league this year.

[MaxV]

I think the biggest key to this season is the starting rotation behind Santana.

If we are to compete we'll have to get the best out of Pelfrey, Maine, Ollie and whoever will be the #5.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Probably but I'm still going to enjoy the season as long as Reyes, Wright and Santana are healthy. I think Reyes is going to destroy the league this year.


Hopefully Reyes can walk more. I've seen him say he wants to be more patient this year. I wouldn't mind it if he went back to playing really good defensively either.

[Forenci]

Hopefully Reyes can walk more. I've seen him say he wants to be more patient this year. I wouldn't mind it if he went back to playing really good defensively either.

I think he'll do both of those things. Last year is really just a wash for him, I wouldn't buy into anything of what happened last year defensively and injury wise. Seems like he's even been more focused than in past years too. I think he'll beast.

[Giantsfan1080]

I can't wait to see Reyes play!!!!!

[MaxV]

I just hope Reyes stays healthy the whole season.

Even with the OBP of .330 he can score 100+ runs and be the igniter that we need.

[Forenci]

I just hope Reyes stays healthy the whole season.

Even with the OBP of .330 he can score 100+ runs and be the igniter that we need.

I think he will. I know he had injury problems in the minors but ever since he's been a major leaguer (other than this past year) he has been the epitome of health.

You can never predict injuries but barring anything crazy I think he's back and stronger than ever. He looks stronger than he did last year too. He's still skinny but he looks ripped.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Omar can really turn this offseason around with Branyan and Felipe Lopez. It's a shame he's not smart enough to make either one of these moves.

[Giantsfan1080]

I'd like those moves but it seems like everyone is scared of Branyan's back. Lopez would be smart but we would have been if they weren't going to sign Hudson then they won't be signing Lopez.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I'd like those moves but it seems like everyone is scared of Branyan's back. Lopez would be smart but we would have been if they weren't going to sign Hudson then they won't be signing Lopez.


That doesn't make any sense though. We were obviously willing to offer Delgado an incentive laden deal, so why not Branyan? If he goes down, it's right back to Murphy which is our current and not nearly as good option. And the whole 2B situation is just so mind boggling dumb it's really unbelievable.

[Giantsfan1080]

That doesn't make any sense though. We were obviously willing to offer Delgado an incentive laden deal, so why not Branyan? If he goes down, it's right back to Murphy which is our current and not nearly as good option. And the whole 2B situation is just so mind boggling dumb it's really unbelievable.

I don't think it was that obvious considering we offered Delgado nothing. I totally agree with you on the 2B situation though.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I don't think it was that obvious considering we offered Delgado nothing. I totally agree with you on the 2B situation though.


Every report pretty much had it that if Delgado could walk (which he couldn't) we were going to offer him an incentive laden deal. Even if not, like I said, Murphy is our current 1B option and that's pretty terrible. Branyan is definitely better. If he gets hurt, we are right back to where we currently stand anyway.

[MaxV]

Oh, this is smart. :rolleyes:

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2010/news/story?id=4928325

[Giantsfan1080]

I hate Jerry Manuel so much. Bat Reyes 3rd really? I hope this is just lip service again.

[Giantsfan1080]

Well looks like this will really happen untill Beltran gets back. I didn't realize how terrible our lineup really is from 5-9 without Beltran. Hope he recovers quick.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I wish this year was a win-win situation, but it's really not. Even if we play up to our full potential, the Phillies are clearly better than we are and we might sneak into the playoffs, maybe. On the other hand, if we suck, it's another long year. And it's kind of tough to blow our team up too much considering some of the contracts we are locked into. And I have zero confidence in finding an adequate replacement at GM anyway. I don't think the Wilpons are smart enough to hire a GM who's not a "scouting guy".

[Kramer]

Lets prepare to be disappointed boys.

[Giantsfan1080]

I think if Omar gets fired Ricco just takes his job anyway.

[MaxV]

Man, we really know how to start the season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2010/news/story?id=4953819

[Jughead10]

Man, we really know how to start the season.

http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/spring2010/news/story?id=4953819

I don't think it's a big deal. That therapy is used by a lot of doctors now. I just don't know why Reyes went to Canada to get it.

[MaxV]

I don't think it's a big deal. That therapy is used by a lot of doctors now. I just don't know why Reyes went to Canada to get it.

Free Health Care? :)

[Jughead10]

Free Health Care?

Haha. I'm not sure that's it. Unless the Mets are really cheaping out now and trying to save money on their player's health.

[Giantsfan1080]

The guy was a famous doctor. You go where they are.

[Giantsfan1080]

Great to watch Mets baseball today.

[Forenci]

Indeed, Ike Davis looked pretty awesome too!

[Giantsfan1080]

Indeed, Ike Davis looked pretty awesome too!

Hell yeah!! Hanson made him look silly though. Tejada looked good as well, he's more than just a slap hitter.

[Jughead10]

Hell yeah!! Hanson made him look silly though. Tejada looked good as well, he's more than just a slap hitter.

And he booted a fairly routine pick at 1B.

[Forenci]

And he booted a fairly routine pick at 1B.

It wasn't really fairly routine, but sure. He's still young and everyone says he's got a great glove at first. Oh and it's his first ST game this year so...

[Giantsfan1080]

And he booted a fairly routine pick at 1B.

He's a good defensive 1B. Don't bother to post here if you're just going to bust balls.

[Jughead10]

He's a good defensive 1B. Don't bother to post here if you're just going to bust balls.

Haha I know. Even Mike today on the radio made it seem like he was amazing. But then I actually watched the game after DVRing it and the only major leaguer he saw made him look silly like you said, and he booted a fairly easy ball. He's a much better prospect than I ever expected. He'll be a good one.

[Giantsfan1080]

Haha I know. Even Mike today on the radio made it seem like he was amazing. But then I actually watched the game after DVRing it and the only major leaguer he saw made him look silly like you said, and he booted a fairly easy ball. He's a much better prospect than I ever expected. He'll be a good one.

Well if he can hit lefties better this year he'll really blow up. I think he has 25-30 HR power and a .280-.300 guy. After everyone **** on our system all year I think we got the shaft a little on rankings but oh well.

[Jughead10]

Well if he can hit lefties better this year he'll really blow up. I think he has 25-30 HR power and a .280-.300 guy. After everyone **** on our system all year I think we got the shaft a little on rankings but oh well.

I dunno. There are quite a few good 1B for him to be ranked any higher. Most of them are a little more advanced or similarly advanced at a bit younger age.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Ike did look impressive. Everyone is really jumping on the bandwagon. The K rate concerns me.

[Giantsfan1080]

Ike did look impressive. Everyone is really jumping on the bandwagon. The K rate concerns me.

Something he needs to work on but high OBP/SLG still strike out a lot these days. He proved he can still hit a ton even though he was striking out. He'll improve in that area though.

[Giantsfan1080]

I dunno. There are quite a few good 1B for him to be ranked any higher. Most of them are a little more advanced or similarly advanced at a bit younger age.

Alonso comes to mind. He's 20 spots higher on BA's list yet Ike had better numbers last year and they have pretty similar upsides. It's really not that big of a deal though.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Something he needs to work on but high OBP/SLG still strike out a lot these days. He proved he can still hit a ton even though he was striking out. He'll improve in that area though.


Hopefully. I mean, I have no problem with someone who strikes out a ton and puts up big production. I just question how easily he can translate seeing how much he's been whiffing at the minor league level.

[Giantsfan1080]

For anyone who didn't get to see Mejia live this afternoon do yourself a favor and watch the replay tonight. His stuff is off the charts.

[MaxV]

I saw him pitch in Brooklyn. If you remember, I posted that he impressed me a great deal.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Mostly threw that wicked fastball. Curve still has a way to go, but he did drop one really nice one. That 86-88 MPH (change/splitter?) is quite impressive as well.

[Giantsfan1080]

I saw him pitch in Brooklyn. If you remember, I posted that he impressed me a great deal.

Yea I remember you being high on and you were certianly right. We need you scouting for the Mets maybe haha.

[Giantsfan1080]

Mostly threw that wicked fastball. Curve still has a way to go, but he did drop one really nice one. That 86-88 MPH (change/splitter?) is quite impressive as well.

His 4 seamer has a crazy tail on it as well. That's the pitch that everyone thinks is a slider I believe. He threw a 95 FB that looked like a splitter once also. That curve was nice but thats the pitch he needs to work on. The 88 is a Change I believe but there are some people who say that's his slider so I have no idea. He just has crazy movement on everything though. Manuel better not f*ck him up.

[Forenci]

Mejia looked insane. His stuff is so filthy. I loved when Keith though that 95 mph FB that struck out Maybin was a slider. It had slider movement too which was the crazy thing.

Niese looked great too, for what that's worth. The cutter has really developed into a good pitch for him.

[Giantsfan1080]

Niese is going to be a good #3 or 4 and have a nice career.

The funny think about Mejia is the story Thole always tells. Apparently hitters would ask him if the 94 MPH pitch was a slider and Thole would say "it's 94 I don't think that can be a slider." I hope Manuel doesn't screw him up.

[MaxV]

Fernando is the Man!

If this kid ever reaches his potential....

[Forenci]

Fernando is the Man!

If this kid ever reaches his potential....

Indeed. 4-4 with 2 HR's. Beastly.

Great day in general for Mets prospects. Ike had a nice day, Kirk had a double, Tejada a two RBI single. Sweetness.

I think Niesen will be a factor as a hard throwing lefty out of the pen too in the future.

[MaxV]

BTW, Who is better defensively? Fernando or Kirk?

[Forenci]

BTW, Who is better defensively? Fernando or Kirk?

Kirk. Better tools, better arm, better speed. Though I will say Fernando impressed me a bit when he was up with us. He's not center fielder, but he can fill in there if he had too. Kirk is more of a COF too but he could play an average CF.

Kirk is built like a tank too, haha.

[Giantsfan1080]

Kirk is built like a QB. As for the better defense I'm with Forenci. Fernando was a lot better in CF than I thought though. He just needs to stay healthy.

[Giantsfan1080]

It's funny how everyone is jumping on our system all of a sudden after a week of good spring ball. The writers are such asses.

[MaxV]

It's funny how everyone is jumping on our system all of a sudden after a week of good spring ball. The writers are such asses.

You'll see a lot of "I knew all along."

So far in ST, prospects have impressed.

Unfortunately, I can't say the same thing about Ollie and Pelfrey.

[Giantsfan1080]

Another 3 scoreless for Mejia. Manuel is going to Dusty Baker this kid up, I see it already.

[Forenci]

It's funny how everyone is jumping on our system all of a sudden after a week of good spring ball. The writers are such asses.

I'm not sure what's worse, the writers jumping on the bandwagon or the Mets fans calling into WFAN saying these kids need to be in the majors opening day. That is, when just a few months ago, all these idiots who don't know anything about the minor leagues were saying we had no farm system and couldn't have made a trade for someone like Roy Halladay.

[Giantsfan1080]

I'm not sure what's worse, the writers jumping on the bandwagon or the Mets fans calling into WFAN saying these kids need to be in the majors opening day. That is, when just a few months ago, all these idiots who don't know anything about the minor leagues were saying we had no farm system and couldn't have made a trade for someone like Roy Halladay.

Yeah it's really bad. I'm glad I can talk to people like Max, Atl, and you who are in the know regarding the farm.

[Giantsfan1080]

Reyes out 2 to 8 weeks. It's never going to end.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Omar and Jerry suck.

[Giantsfan1080]

Cora/Castillo up the middle is going to kill us. I didn't want to rush him but I think we need Tejada up with the big club.

[MaxV]

Cora/Castillo up the middle is going to kill us. I didn't want to rush him but I think we need Tejada up with the big club.

AHern will probably be there.

I hate to say it, but I think we should just bite the bullet.

I want our top prospects to get more seasoning the Minors.

And that includes Mejia. Manuel better not try to convert him to reliever.

[Giantsfan1080]

I hate Manuel. 6 pitch inning for Mejia today and then he's out of the game. He's going to ruin our future ace all because he's a f'ing moron. Omar better get Mejia out of camp.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I hate Manuel. 6 pitch inning for Mejia today and then he's out of the game. He's going to ruin our future ace all because he's a f'ing moron. Omar better get Mejia out of camp.


I'm sure Omar thinks it's a good idea too. He's not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed.

[Forenci]

Fernando Martinez is awesome...that is all.

[MaxV]

I hope Mejia starts the season in the Minors.

It's too early for him.

[Giantsfan1080]

Manuel will mess it up and I'll lose what little respect left I have for Omar for not putting his foot down on the issue.

[MaxV]

The only thing that is worse then having an incompetent manager is having a desperate incompetent manager.

[Giantsfan1080]

It's getting worse and worse. Manuel now wants Mejia only to throw his fastball and cutter if he makes the team. How to kill a potential #1 pitcher by The Mets.

[Forenci]

Save us Omar, you're are only hope.

[Giantsfan1080]

Well they sent Davis down today. My new feeling is Omar won't send Mejia down at this point so I think it's going to happen. Words can't really describe how dumb this is. Max was spot on with what he said this morning.

[Giantsfan1080]

Here's the Manuel quote by the way.

"Manuel wasn't thrilled to see Mejia dabbling with a breaking ball that led to Guzman's walk.

"I would like to see Mejia stay with the hard stuff," Manuel said. "He has enough. If he can command that cutter, he has enough."

[MaxV]

Mejia's biggest problem at this point is that he overthrows his pitches.

He overthrows his pitches as a STARTER in the MINORS.

What is he going to do as a RELIEVER in the MAJORS?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Save us Omar, you're are only hope.


Omar's a ******* idiot too.

[Forenci]

Omar's a ******* idiot too.

It's hard to tell how much is Omar and how much is management, but I wish we'd stop toying with this crappy defenders and guys who can't get on base.

[MaxV]

What do you guys think will be our opening day roster?

My prediction:

Matthews (CF)
Castillo (2b)
Reyes (SS)
Wright (3b)
Bay (LF)
Francoeur (RF)
Murphy (1b)
Barajas (C)

Coste
Pagan
Cora
Tatis
Jacobs

Santana
Pelfrey
Perez
Maine
Niese

Rodriguez
Feliciano
Igarashi
Nieve
Takahashi
Parnell
Calero



I prefer for Carter to make it over Jacobs, but I have a feeling he'll start in AAA.

Obviously, bullpen picture is still unclear, but that's how I want to see it and I think it's realistic.

[Giantsfan1080]

I think Pagan will be the Opening Day CF. Mejia is making the team so I'm trying to come to terms with it even though it's the dumbest move I could think of.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Pretty much agree with your entire post Max. But, I do think Mejia makes the team. I wonder if Parnell or Nieve would get the axe though. Parnell's probably better, but Nieve's out of options.

[MaxV]

Calero might not make it. I hope he does, I like him.

Do you guys agree that Carter should be on the roster?

[Giantsfan1080]

Yes I like Murphy but Carter is a better player at this point. He should actually be starting at 1B. As for the bullpen we could possibly see Parnell get bumped back to AAA because of this Mejia nonsense. Green also has options so I wouldn't mind seeing him go back down to AAA either but that will never happen.

[MaxV]

Carter has experience at 1b?

[Forenci]

Carter has the reputation of being a bad defender though and Murphy actually has some fantastic range at first.

[Jughead10]

But can Murphy hit? Also do you guys really think Coste will be the backup. I thought Blanco was the assumed backup.

[Forenci]

But can Murphy hit? Also do you guys really think Coste will be the backup. I thought Blanco was the assumed backup.

Can Murphy hit? Yes. Will he hit? Remains to be seen. I know that's cryptic but if he can draw some more walks and stay patient he will be a good hitter. He almost had 40 doubles last year with just over 500 AB's. It's not absurd to think he could hit 45 doubles, 15 HR's, and 5-6 triples if he stays healthy and plays all year.

Coste won't be the back up either. He'll be in the minors tutoring Thole. If Murphy struggles for a month or two Ike Davis will be up in no time playing first base every day, unless he struggles in AAA for whatever reason.

[Giantsfan1080]

Carter has no experience at 1B but his bat will play better. Like I said I'm a huge Murphy fan but he's not the answer. His new stance is terrible.

[Forenci]

Carter has no experience at 1B but his bat will play better. Like I said I'm a huge Murphy fan but he's not the answer. His new stance is terrible.

I'm not so sure. Murphy put up a .450 slugging percentage last year which is pretty good. If he can get his OBP even just a tad, which I think he will as he's deemed as a reasonably patient hitter, then he'd be a .820 OPS type of player. That alone would be more than adequate when combined with good defense at first.

That said, if Ike Davis is crushing AAA and doing a solid job against lefties I wouldn't hesitate to make him the every day first basemen. For as good as Murphy may turn out to be he has half the potential of Davis.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

But can Murphy hit? Also do you guys really think Coste will be the backup. I thought Blanco was the assumed backup.


Didn't even notice that. Yeah, it will definitely be Blanco. And I'd definitely prefer Carter over Jacobs, but that will never happen. What a ******* terrible trade. We aren't even going to give the guy a shot.

[Giantsfan1080]

The trade was about saving money. No one could ever tell me otherwise and it was bullsh*t.

[MaxV]

I think Carter will get his shot. If not on openning day, then later in the season.

[Giantsfan1080]

I think Carter will get his shot. If not on openning day, then later in the season.

If Davis does what everyone thinks then he'll be the guy later in the season most likely. Personally I'd keep him in AAA untill September then give him the starting job in 2011. We need to stop rushing our prospects through the system, a little extra time with great stats isn't going to hurt anybody.

[MaxV]

I'm watching Bobby Parnell, and it's just screams undeveloped pitcher.

He throws 95-99 mph, but no secondary pitches. Hitters start their swing while he's still checking the signs.

If he had even an average changeup.....

[Giantsfan1080]

I like Parnell's slider but he's not consistent with it at all. He needs to throw it more.

[Jughead10]

I like Parnell's slider but he's not consistent with it at all. He needs to throw it more.

Both him and Green going to AAA? What will the bullpen look like?

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Both him and Green going to AAA? What will the bullpen look like?

K-Rod
Feliciano
Calero
Igarashi
Figueroa
Nieve
Takahashi

[Jughead10]

K-Rod
Feliciano
Calero
Igarashi
Figueroa
Nieve
Takahashi

How many long men do you need?

[Giantsfan1080]

They could go long but they are fine in 1 or 2 innings also. As long as Mejia doesn't make it I'm happy. I hope Niesen makes it up in the 2nd half to be our 2nd lefty.

[Giantsfan1080]

Now there's talk Valdez might make the bullpen as well. :rolleyes: No idea how this is going to look in a week.

[Forenci]

All it means is less chance for Mejia to make the pen!

[ATLDirtyBirds]

How many long men do you need?


Look at the rotation. In all seriousness, Figgy is probably the true long man. Jerry's going to think Takahashi is going to be a LH specialist just like he thought with the other Takahashi. And Nieve's probably best suited as a MR anyway.

[Forenci]

We picked up Manny Acosta. Not a bad move. Adds depth to the pen and should help keep Mejia down in the minors.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

We picked up Manny Acosta. Not a bad move. Adds depth to the pen and should help keep Mejia down in the minors.



Manny Acosta sucks though.

[Forenci]

Manny Acosta sucks though.

So does every other relief pitcher.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

So does every other relief pitcher.


Not Kiko Calero.

[Forenci]

Not Kiko Calero.

VIVA LA KIKO!

We actually have some nice pen depth though, if nothing else. If Frankie can keep it together at the end we should have a solid year from the pen.

[MaxV]

Unfortunately, the starting rotation looks like a mess.

I hope Johan and the rest of these guys turn in on by the start of the season.

[Giantsfan1080]

I think Maine, Pelfrey, and Niese will all settle in nicely. I have 0 faith in Perez though.

[Giantsfan1080]

Rotation is set as Santana, Maine, Niese, Pelfrey, Perez.

[Giantsfan1080]

99.9% that Mejia made it. Great.

[MaxV]

Nice new sig, GF. I hope they don't just limit Jennry to fastball. I hope he develops his secondary pitches and becomes the starter that he can be.

Nice way to start the season. I hope our other starters can keep it going.

[Forenci]

Indeed. Nice start to the season! Loved the home run by Wright. Really a nice way for him to start off the season.

Also, Mike Jacobs is horrible and needs to never play again.

[MaxV]

Is Murphy's injury serious?

[Giantsfan1080]

Murphy will be out 2-6 weeks.

Very good Opening Day. Great to see contributions from everyone. With that being said it's going to our 2-5 in the rotation that really matters so I can't wait untill Wednesday.

[Giantsfan1080]

Minors start tomorrow!!!

[Forenci]

The Savannah infield is going to be pretty awesome. Marte, Flores, Flagg and Harris.

[Giantsfan1080]

I'm excited for the St. Lucie rotation of Familia, Allen, Carson, Shaw, and Bealuac.

[MaxV]

Puello in OF too.

I like the fact that Flores and Marte are repeating. No reason to rush them.

I don't see Matz on any rosters. Is he injured?

[MaxV]

I'm excited for the St. Lucie rotation of Familia, Allen, Carson, Shaw, and Bealuac.

I read that Shaw will be in AA.

I'm not sure if that's accurate though.

[Giantsfan1080]

I read that Shaw will be in AA.

I'm not sure if that's accurate though.

Hmm that's possible. I was just guessing but I could be wrong. I haven't see an official St. Lucie or Bingo roster yet.

[Giantsfan1080]

Puello in OF too.

I like the fact that Flores and Marte are repeating. No reason to rush them.

I don't see Matz on any rosters. Is he injured?

I thought we might start him in the GCL. He also might stay in EXT. for a month then move to Savanah.

[Giantsfan1080]

Of course once I posted that the St. Lucie rotation cam in. Max is right no Shaw.

Moviel
Allen
Familia
Carson
Beaulac/Schwinden

[thenewfeature06]

Anybody know how the Mets faired agaisnt Nolasco last year...?

[MaxV]

Of course once I posted that the St. Lucie rotation cam in. Max is right no Shaw.

Moviel
Allen
Familia
Carson
Beaulac/Schwinden

Oh man, that's 4 of our top 7 (imo) pitching prospects.

And Beaulac better be starting.

I can't wait to see how this rotation does.

[LTgiants]

**** Willie Harris!

[ATLDirtyBirds]

**** Willie Harris!

**** Jerry Manuel. Why the **** are we bunting with Jose ******* Reyes on 1st base?

[Giantsfan1080]

If there's one thing that all Mets fans can agree on it's that Jerry Manuel needs to fall into a ditch so that no one finds him ever.

[Forenci]

If there's one thing that all Mets fans can agree on it's that Jerry Manuel needs to fall into a ditch so that no one finds him ever.

I bet ATL can make it happen. He seems like he's shady enough for that to go down.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I bet ATL can make it happen. He seems like he's shady enough for that to go down.

I've left too much evidence behind with all my rants. I'd be caught in no time. Besides, he and Omar should be gone soon enough. If they make it past this year, all bets are off. It's still painful that I have to watch this crap though.

[AlexDown]

It's good to see Jose at the top of the top of the lineup again.

Willie Harris....ugh

[Forenci]

True. Hopefully these guys get axed and we can get some Ike Davis/Ruben Tejada action this year and next.

A Wright, Reyes, Tejada and Davis would be a sick defensive infield too. Tejada looked fantastic at short. So silky in the field with nice looking range too.

[Giantsfan1080]

I love what Tejada brings to the table but I think Havens will be our 2B long term.

I'm stilled pissed Mejia made this team. Everytime I see him pitch it's like a reminder what he could have been already. Hopefully he can still transition to SP next year and live up to what he could become.

Captain Kirk has started off AA just where he left off last year.

[Forenci]

Yeah, Kirk is beasting early on. I disagree with you about Havens though. I don't think he's a long term solution. Won't be nearly as good defensively as Tejada too. Ideally maybe he and Tejada could be a nice platoon with Tejada playing defense late in games when Havens starts.

That's quite a bit down the road though.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I just wonder what Ike's max really is. Is he going to be an above average type or does he have star in his future?

[Forenci]

I just wonder what Ike's max really is. Is he going to be an above average type or does he have star in his future?

Well he's got the talent, there is no doubting that. Like most players we'll just have to wait and see if he can reach his potential in the majors. There's little doubt he could blossom into a star, but will he? Tough to say.

[MaxV]

It'll depend on his hitting development ability against lefties. He can already mash righties.

[Giantsfan1080]

A lot of people have compared him to Lyle Overbay and LaRoche but I'm expecting bigger things from him at this point.

[Forenci]

Honestly it wasn't Davis who excited me the most this spring. It was Ruben Tejada by far. There are a lot of Mets fans who were excited about him but I never really bought into too much. After watching him this spring and even the couple games during the season I love how he looks.

Looks smooth defensively with range with a good arm. For a kid who's just 20 years old he has a fantastic approach at the plate. Appears disciplined and not over matched in the slightest for a guy so young.

[katnip]

umm. why is this in the giants forum? anyways. what are the rumors of us trading matthews jr to the reds? brandon phillips would be a dream to get for me.

we could give them luis castillo and sean green = yes

[ATLDirtyBirds]

A lot of people have compared him to Lyle Overbay and LaRoche but I'm expecting bigger things from him at this point.

I see him as a Carlos Pena type, because he's going to strike out a ton. The only thing is, do we get 2007 Pena, who is a stud, or more of 08/09 who is pretty good, just not superstar type. I don't think Overbay is apart of the comparison tree anymore now that Ike changed his swing and is much more of a power hitter. LaRoche is a possibility.

[Giantsfan1080]

I see him as a Carlos Pena type, because he's going to strike out a ton. The only thing is, do we get 2007 Pena, who is a stud, or more of 08/09 who is pretty good, just not superstar type. I don't think Overbay is apart of the comparison tree anymore now that Ike changed his swing and is much more of a power hitter. LaRoche is a possibility.

It's early but he's showing an ability to walk more and K less so far in AAA.

[MaxV]

Nice outing from Gee. As some of you know, one of my favorite prospects.

Not the best stuff in the system, but might be the best command.

[Giantsfan1080]

Nice outing from Gee. As some of you know, one of my favorite prospects.

Not the best stuff in the system, but might be the best command.

I'm hoping for a Rick Reedesque career.

[MaxV]

Dillon Gee and Dylan Owen often get grouped together as the two soft-tossing control guys of our organization.

While Owen is a pure control guy, Gee has some decent pop on his fastball. He can throw it in the low-90s and he has multiple strikeout pitches.

Legit prospect.

[Giantsfan1080]

Gee seperated himself from Owen a long time ago IMO. Gee is certainly legit and I enjoyed watching him pitch in ST last year. He would have gotten his chance last year also if it wasn't for the injury.

[Forenci]

I think Gee is a nice option to bring up if Maine or Ollie falters significantly.

Hopefully he hasn't lost any of his command and velocity from the injury.

[MaxV]

Lucas Duda has started out well also. He's showing power.

But is he a good enough defensive OF to play at Citi?

That's a lot of ground to cover for a converted 1b.

[Giantsfan1080]

Lucas Duda has started out well also. He's showing power.

But is he a good enough defensive OF to play at Citi?

That's a lot of ground to cover for a converted 1b.

I haven't really heard much about his OF defense. I think at best he becomes a Chris Carter type. As we all know Carter hasn't even gotten a shot anywhere so we'll see.

I'm thinking about trying to do a daily minor league recap like I did last year. Any interest from anyone?

[MaxV]

Heck yeah.

I'm already starting to check minor league updates while the Mets game is on.

Probably a sign of things to come. :(

[Giantsfan1080]

Yeah that game yesterday was such a debacle. I don't even know where to start.

[Giantsfan1080]

Ike hit his 2nd HR of the year tonight. He also has 6 BB's to 3 K's. If he keeps this up I really don't see how he won't be here in June. Our system is going to be gutted this year with the graduations of Niese, Martinez, Davis, Mejia and maybe Tejada. Even though we have the #7 pick and some others who can step up it's going to take a hit.

[MaxV]

Where are all the last year's draftees? All I see is Gorski relieving in low-A.

[Giantsfan1080]

Where are all the last year's draftees? All I see is Gorski relieving in low-A.

I have no idea. I was expecting a lot more in Savannah but I guess they are just in extended right now. I hope we don't see a lot of Brooklyn repeats just so they win as always happens.

[MaxV]

If they put all of them in Short-Season ball, where will the newcomers play?

I don't get this.

BTW, who are some names that could be there when Mets pick?

[Giantsfan1080]

If they put all of them in Short-Season ball, where will the newcomers play?

I don't get this.

BTW, who are some names that could be there when Mets pick?

Yeah I'm not quite sure what's going on yet either. I know Matz will be in short season but I don't know where Cecilliani or Santamauro are going to play.

As for some names keep an eye on Ranaudo, McGuire, Pomeranz, A.J. Cole, Covey, Sale, Whitson, Machado.

[Giantsfan1080]

If Maine is only going to hit 90 with his fastball then you can pencil in at least 1 SP we might need by June.

[Forenci]

Misch probably gets the first shot. The guys on the broadcast mentioned it but it's not that unlikely if Maine continues to suck and other guys struggle that Mejia could be sent down and transitioned into a starter for the second half of the season.

Also the scary thing about Maine is he was barely hitting 90. He was throwing upper 80's for the majority of his fastballs.

[MaxV]

Give Gee a shot!

Man, this Baseball season sure as heck flew by really fast. :rolleyes: I'm completely on Minor League Mode now.

Now, I just hope they replace Manual and Manaya before the draft.

[Forenci]

Come on Max, it's only 7 games

Also I'd like to give Gee a shot but he messed up his shoulder pretty bad. Really need to find out of he's still able to throw in the low 90's area.

[MaxV]

I'm not giving up. That was just my best attempt at a rant (I'm not very good at them).

From what I've read, Gee was sitting in a 89-91 area in the first start. Velocity on fastball was never his strong point and it's straight too. But he does paint corners with it and he has 2 other pitches that he can throw for strikes.

[Forenci]

Of course. I was just curious if he could still touch 90. He's never been a velocity type of guy but if it was down a bit then it'd be concerning.

I'd give Gee a start or two more, but it sounds like they might be yanking Maine from the rotation already. Personally I would put Maine on the DL (he was saying his shoulder was cranky) and send him down to AAA to see if he can establish his velocity. If not, let him see if he can hone his secondary stuff against AAA players and then bring him back up into the pen if he can.

[Giantsfan1080]

Gee throws just as hard as Maine now with better command and better off speed stuff. Very upsetting.

[Forenci]

I'm all for Gee. I do think Pat Misch or Takahashi gets the first shot though.

[MaxV]

Man, all Carter does is hit. Lefties, Righties, doesn't matter.

I understand why he isn't with the Mets. Our lineup is just raking right now, no room for another good hitter......

[Giantsfan1080]

Worst start since 92. :(

[MaxV]

Familia is struggling with command at the beginning of the season, but he has great stuff.

I'm hoping he'll figure it out.

[MaxV]

Nice start by Pelfrey.

If he and Francouer have a good year, we should definitely consider long-term contracts with them.

Very talented young players.

[Giantsfan1080]

This is a huge year from Pelf. I love his new splitter. Francouer I'm going to be skeptical of all year I feel like.

[MaxV]

He's still a free swinger, but he can hit pitches out of the strike zone and his walk rate seems to be improving.

If he can get his OBP to about .350 range, he can be a fine player. He has good power, solid speed, defensive range and an AWESOME arm.

[Giantsfan1080]

If he has a .350 then it would be fine. What do we do with Martinez then? CF and trade Beltran?

[MaxV]

I'm hoping to get good production out of Beltran and Bay for a couple more seasons before Fernando and Kirk are ready to take over.

[Giantsfan1080]

If Fernando is in AAA all year he'll surely be ready by the start of next year.

[Forenci]

My hope is Francoeur has a good/solid year and we trade him for pitching or a prospect or two. Stick Fernando in right and hopefully in a year or two Kirk can take over in center field.

I could see Kirk being an every day center fielder. Reports are he plays pretty good defense and can cover some ground too. Not an elite defender by any means but unless he gets even bigger than he already is I think he could play center field well.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

My hope is Francoeur has a good/solid year and we trade him for pitching or a prospect or two. Stick Fernando in right and hopefully in a year or two Kirk can take over in center field.

I could see Kirk being an every day center fielder. Reports are he plays pretty good defense and can cover some ground too. Not an elite defender by any means but unless he gets even bigger than he already is I think he could play center field well.


If Francoeur even puts up a below average year, he's getting locked up and Fernando will be traded.

[Giantsfan1080]

If Francoeur even puts up a below average year, he's getting locked up and Fernando will be traded.

I don't think so. We'll probably have a new regime so that wouldn't be the case if they're somewhat smart.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

I don't think so. We'll probably have a new regime so that wouldn't be the case if they're somewhat smart.

John Ricco....

[Giantsfan1080]

John Ricco....

Well we have to give him the benefit of the doubt right now. He's the one who wanted Francouer and it has worked out since he got here. Believe me I'm with you on the Frenchie skeptical train but nothing for us to say right now.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Now, Omar's pretty much sealed his fate as going down as a bad GM in my book. However, he can go out like badass. I don't know how much power he truly has, but if I was Omar, it goes down like this. I'm calling a press conference and firing Jerry. I'm blaming the whole thing on Jerry for not being able to properly lead a team and for his poor in game management. Omar needs to do Jerry like Jerry did Willie. Poetic justice *************.

[Giantsfan1080]

Omar has no power. This is why I blame Jerry more than Omar.

[ATLDirtyBirds]

Omar has no power. This is why I blame Jerry more than Omar.


I still think you're wrong. You're going to tell me the Wilpon family was all giddy to bring in Alex Cora for two million and forced Omar to trade for GMJ?

[Giantsfan1080]

I still think you're wrong. You're going to tell me the Wilpon family was all giddy to bring in Alex Cora for two million and forced Omar to trade for GMJ?

I agree those are definitely Omar moves but we couldn't get Piniero or someone else?