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Shane P. Hallam
01-16-2013, 10:37 AM
I only ask for the following:

1. If you don't like a pick, that you have an explanation. Don't hate on the pick because you don't like the player. But if he doesn't fit or the position isn't as big a need, that is good information for me to learn and adjust

2. If I missed a glaring player in the mock, that would be good to know as well.



First Round

1) Kansas City Chiefs – Geno Smith QB/West Virginia

GM says they go best player available, is that Geno Smith? Nope, but one look at this roster shows Qb is a huge need and Andy Reid will salivate over Geno.

2) Jacksonville Jaguars – Bjoern Werner DE/Florida State

Might be the best all around DE in the draft. Solid pass rusher with upside against the run. Jaguars could opt for a QB later.

3) Oakland Raiders – Star Lotulelei DT/Utah

Just love this fit if Seymour and/or Kelly goes. Adds pass rush and some run defense to improve an ailing Raiders defense.

4) Philadelphia Eagles – Luke Joeckel OT/Texas A&M

Could have the best career of anyone in this draft. If the new staff sticks with Foles, we could see some offensive line changes, cuts, etc. Joeckel makes sense.

5) Detroit Lions – Damontre Moore DE/Texas A&M

I’m not as high on Moore, but he fits the Lions. I imagine Cliff Avril and KVB are out of the picture leaving some glaring holes on the defensive line.

6) Cleveland Browns – Dee Milliner CB/Alabama

Don’t like Milliner as a Top 10 pick, but the Browns are tough. Can see Chud pushing for defense and with Sheldon Brown becoming a free agent, a #2 corner next to Haden could be high priority.

7) Arizona Cardinals – Eric Fisher OT/Central Michigan

I think Fisher can make this jump into the Top Ten. Once again, a lot depends on the new coach, staff, etc, but anyone can see how bad the Cardinals offensive line is. Though Massie improved, Levi Brown isn’t an answer.

8) Buffalo Bills – Mike Glennon QB/NC State

Feel like Buffalo goes with a QB and I flip-flopped between Barkley and Glennon. Ultimately, Glennon could have a Blaine Gabbert esque rise and the Bills will feign letting him develop while sticking him in near midseason. Glennon fits Marrone though, so it may work.

9) New York Jets – Jarvis Jones LB/Georgia

Wonder if he does fall that far due to the spinal stenosis. Ultimately, I can see Rex pushing the new GM to build the pass rush and try to go with instant impact players to keep his job. Jarvis Jones fits that despite the risk.

10) Tennessee Titans – Sheldon Richardson DT/Missouri

Great all around player and gives the Titans some options with Marks becoming a free agent. Could start in a rotation and hopefully improve the Titans defense as a whole.

11) San Diego Chargers – Alec Ogletree LB/Georgia

Maybe a bit of a surprise pick, but Takeo Spikes is aging, Jonas Mouton is awful and Demorrio Williams is a free agent. Ogletree provides the athletic and coverage upside to free up Donald Butler. If the Chargers change their scheme, even more reason for a LB and Ogletree can play inside or out.

12) Miami Dolphins – Dion Jordan DE/Oregon

Don’t see Jordan as a Top Ten player, but the Dolphins need to find that pass rush opposite of Cam Wake. Jordan’s versatility could endear him to the current staff and hopefully improve the run defense. Having a ton of picks in tis draft allows them to go defense in the first.

13) Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Johnthan Banks CB/Mississippi State

Too high for Banks, but Tampa Bay is one of those teams with one glaring hole that is holding them back defensively. After the combine, Banks should be able to raise his stock and rehabilitate it after a mediocre 2nd half of the year.

14) Carolina Panthers – Johnathan Hankins DT/Ohio State

It is the usual pick, but it is one of those necessary picks. Versatile, athletic big man who can man the Panthers defense and eat up blocks for Luke Kuechly.

15) New Orleans Saints – Ezekial Ansah DE/BYU

Adds some pass rush and upside for the Saints, especially if Will Smith is cut before next season. Ansah has some rare upside that should push him into the Top 15.

16) St. Louis Rams – Chance Warmack OG/Alabama

Seems like a great fit for Fisher and the Rams, especially if they move to their young RB tandem. Going to be a make or break year for Bradford and any O-line will help.

17) Pittsburgh Steelers – Manti Te’o LB/Notre Dame

Not the Top 5 prospect some thought, but still in the Top 20. Fits the Steelers, their draft philosophy, and needs.

18) Dallas Cowboys – Barkevious Mingo DE/LSU

Moving to the 4-3 without Anthony Spencer leaves a pass rushing hole opposite of DeMarcus Ware (Marcus Spears won’t cut it). Mingo has some Ware type upside.

19) New York Giants – Kevin Minter LB/LSU

Chase Blackburn is set to be a FA and the question is how much the Giants trust Mark Herzlich to take over as a 3 down player. Not sure he is there yet, so Kevin Minter could be a nice fit as a 2 or 3 down player.

20) Chicago Bears – Tyler Eifert TE/Notre Dame

Offensive Line may be harder to come by than people think, and TE is a glaring hole with the struggles Kellen Davis has had. Eifert adds a weapon for Jay Cutler that is massively needed.

21) Cincinnati Bengals – Arthur Brown LB/Kansas State

The Bengals are tough with no glaring holes that fit value, but with Maualuga and Lawson being free agents (along with Thomas Howard,) LB could get very thin very quickly. Brown can fit on the weakside and allow Burfict to move to the middle, strengthening both positions.

22) St. Louis Rams (f/ WAS) – DeAndre Hopkins WR/Clemson

Maybe a bit of a surprise for the first WR off the board, but Hopkins could blaze at the combine and his size as well as production should convince a team to take him early. Despite investing in Givens and Brian Quick, offensive weapons are a big issue. Amendola’s injury history could convince the Rams to take a WR relatively high once again.

23) Minnesota Vikings – Cordarrelle Patterson WR/Tennessee

Patterson is another player who is likely to rise rise rise before the NFL Draft. Jarius Wright fits more in the slot and if Percy Harvin ends up moving on, a pure #1 WR would be worth it. Patterson fits that bill.

24) Indianapolis Colts – DJ Fluker OT/Alabama

Might be a safer pick for the Colts who need to keep Andrew Luck upright. Winston Justice is a free agent and Ben Ijalana hasn’t shown himself to be a starting RT. Fluker could fit in there and ultimately be a guard if needed.

25) Seattle Seahawks – Margus Hunt DE/SMU

Might be a bit of a surprise here, but Carroll’s comments about pass rush and the type of D-linemen they like in Seattle leads me to feel Margus Hunt is in play. Big, physical, can play inside or outside and should continue rising.

26) Green Bay Packers – Travis Frederick C/Wisconsin

I waivered on this Packers pick a bit. Do they go with more defensive help? Rodgers was a hit a ton and the center position could be a reason why. Jeff Saturday was awful while Dietrich-Smith is a Restricted Free Agent and very upgradeable. Frederick has a bit more upside at center than Barrett Jones and think he may fit for Ted Thompson better as well.

27) Houston Texans – Kyle Long OT/Oregon

Surprise first round pick, but Kyle Long’s draft stock is so variable. I believe he could blow up in the offseason and rise into the Top 50 or fall due to his rawness. Houston’s right side played decently against New England, it has been a big weakness. Long has RT, LT, or offensive guard potential.

28) Denver Broncos – Sylvester Williams DT/North Carolina

DT is an easy need for the Broncos, though I do think the secondary could use a massive upgrade. I think Williams would be more of a sure thing than Shariff Floyd, Kawann Short, John Jenkins, or Jesse Williams. No glaring holes in his game.

29) Baltimore Ravens – Kenny Vaccaro S/Texas

Don’t love the LB value for the Ravens here and Ed Reed is a free agent (along with two more of their safeties). With the tag going to Flacco, perhaps investing in the top safety in this class is wise. Vaccaro fits as a player who can play close to the line, and isn’t a major coverage liabaility.

30) San Francisco 49ers – Zach Ertz TE/Stanford

Delanie Walker will be moving to free agency and Vernon Davis has been a disappointment under Harbaugh. I’m not into the college coach picking his own players, but I can see the potential of a young Zach Ertz on this team paying major dividends.

31) Atlanta Falcons – Sam Montgomery DE/LSU

TE is the easy pick, but with Eifert/Ertz gone, pass rush will be a major priority. Abraham is aging and as much as I like Kroy Biermann, he isn’t an every down player. Montgomery gives the Falcons a base left end who also has some pass rush ability.

32) New England Patriots – David Amerson DB/NC State


Just fits the tweener mold the Patriots like. Patrick Chung is likely done in New England and Amerson could step into the safety role immediately.



Second Round

1. Jacksonville Jaguars – Jonathan Cooper OG/North Carolina

Losing Even Britton perhaps and Will Rackley has not developed. Went with value over QB.

2. Kansas City Chiefs – Keenan Allen WR/Cal

Will Bowe be back? Even if so, Chiefs need a potential stud WR with Baldwin still lacking the mental fortitude.

3. Philadelphia Eagles – Jordan Poyer Cb/Oregon State

If Asomugha is out, Poyer could come in and start.

4. Detroit Lions – Matt Elam S/Florida

Seems to fit Mayhew’s bill of physical players, Delmas there or not, safety is a good investment.

5. Cincinnati Bengals (f/OAK) – Eric Reid S/LSU

Versatile safety who could really fit the Bengals defense.

6. Arizona Cardinals – Matt Barkley QB/USC

Arians may want to try and work his magic with Barkley

7. Cleveland Browns – SUPPLEMENTAL DRAFT

Looks like I was wrong on Josh Gordon, slowly developing into a top player, better than any WR still on the board.

8. New York Jets – Barrett Jones OG/Alabama

Versatile lineman with high character. Can play RG or LG as needed.

9. Tennessee Titans – Desmond Trufant CB/Washington

Tough pick, but CB depth seems a need with Mouton’s impending Free Agency. Trufant a more physical corner than anyone the Titans have.

10. Buffalo Bills – Terrance Williams WR/Baylor

Get the QB, get him weapons. Williams should have a big offseason to raise his stock.

11. Miami Dolphins – Shariff Floyd DT/Florida

Floyd is a first round talent, but Miami could snatch him up if he falls to replace Randy Starks.

12. Tampa Bay Buccaneers – Tyler Wilson QB/Arkansas

Surprise? Freeman has a year left, Schiano may want to go the Harbaugh route and start to develop his own guy.

13. Carolina Panthers – Will Davis CB/Utah State

On the rise, and despite the good pass defense numbers for Carolina, they’d be better served to have Josh Norman be the nickel CB.

14. New Orleans Saints – FORFEITED

Saints really could have used this pick.

15. San Diego Chargers – Justin Hunter WR/Tennessee

Meachem kind of a bust, can Brown or DX stay healthy? Lots of WR questions, Hunter could help answer them as McCoy and Whiz should realize the benefit of a top WR.

16. St. Louis Rams – Lane Johnson OT/Oklahoma

Can fit on left or right side. Solid 2nd rounder.

17. Dallas Cowboys – Kawann Short DT/Purdue

Might make the shift to the 4-3 a bit easier. Pass rushing DT combined with Mingo would make this defensive line very scary.

18. Pittsburgh Steelers – TJ McDonald S/USC

Trojan to replace a Trojan?

19. New York Giants – Dallas Thomas OL/Tennessee

Versatility bumps him up. Another guy who may have an offseason rise.

20. Chicago Bears – Khaseem Greene LB/Rutgers

Could fit in the strongside, or maybe even MLB in a pinch.

21. Washington Redskins – Xavier Rhodes CB/Florida State

I like Rhodes a lot but don’t envision the next few months being kind to him.

22. Minnesota Vikings – Logan Ryan CB/Rutgers

Another potential rise. How long will Winfield last? If not much longer, Vikes will need some depth.

23. Cincinnati Bengals – Giovanni Bernard RB/North Carolina

Feels like the RB to fit for Cincy, but injuries worry me.

24. Miami Dolphins (f/ IND) – Stedman Bailey WR/West Virginia

Dolphins need some weapons going forward, and Stedman Bailey could be very enticing.

25. Green Bay Packers – Montee Ball RB/Wisconsin

Feel like if the Packers go RB, Ball is a potential target. Not for the hometown connection, but his fit to some of the RBs Thompson has brought in in the past.

26. Seattle Seahawks – Tavon Austin WR/West Virginia

Really creative weapon Pete Carroll could get working for his young QB.

27. Houston Texans – Jesse Williams DT/Alabama

Ideal fit for Wade’s defense.

28. Denver Broncos – Tony Jefferson S/Oklahoma

Might not be much of an upgrade over what they have, but good developmental safety talent.

29. Baltimore Ravens – Oday Aboushi OT/Virginia

Still need to build OT depth and McKinnie isn’t guaranteed to be back.

30. San Francisco 49ers – John Jenkins DT/Georgia

Wonder if he’ll be as highly thought of as some have him right now. Sopaoaga is a free agent.

31. Atlanta Falcons – Travis Kelce TE/Cincinnati

Gonzo replacement? Don’t think Gonzo retires and feel Kelce moves up fast.

32. New England Patriots – Robert Woods WR/USC

If no more Welker or Branch, Pats need to finally hit on drafting a WR.



Third Round

1. Kansas City – Robert Alford CB/Southeastern Louisiana

Big time small school corner with upside, may even get starting reps in Year 1.

2. Jacksonville – Ryan Nassib QB/Syracuse

New GM sounds like they want to bring some QB in. Nassib would fit well.

3. Detroit – Tyrann Mathieu CB/LSU

If interviews go well, wonder how high he can go. Fits Lions defense.

4. Oakland – Alex Okafor DE/Texas

Could go much higher, but adds to a much needed pass rush.

5. Philadelphia – Baccari Rambo S/Georgia

Upside Safety to come in and compete for a rotational role early.

6. Cleveland – Corey Lemonier LB/Auburn

Perfect for their new defense, can stand up if he can learn more pass rush moves.

7. Arizona – B.W. Webb CB/William & Mary

A tad high, but Arizona has had success with small school corners

8. Tennessee - Larry Warford OG/Kentucky

Too low for Warford, Tennessee reaps the benefits. Can be an instant starter at LG or RG.

9. Buffalo – Justin Pugh OT/Syracuse

I generally think new coaches don’t take their old players early, but value and position fits for developmental depth.

10. New York Jets – Markus Wheaton WR/Oregon State

Hill not there yet, how much longer does Holmes have? Time to bring in another weapon.

11. Tampa Bay – Michael Buchanan DE/Illinois

Add to the pass rush to fix that ailing defense.

12. San Francisco (f/ CAR) – Phillip Thomas S/Fresno State

A playmaker in the secondary that SF doesn’t have right now.

13. New Orleans – Bennie Logan DT/LSU

Could be a first rounder by April, NO goes hometown to build the trenches.

14. San Diego – Eddie Lacy RB/Alabama

Similar to Mathews perhaps, but major insurance is needed and value is great.

15. Miami – Da’Rick Rogers WR/Tennessee Tech

Miami could come out of this draft with 3 WRs. Upside of Rogers is enticing.

16. St. Louis – Shawn Williams S/Georgia

Big position of need, Williams could go around this area.

17. Pittsburgh – Le’Veon Bell RB/Michigan State

Big, physical talent the Rooneys keep pushing for.

18. Dallas – Alvin Bailey OG/Arkansas

Had a down year, but Jerry won’t mind another Razorback

19. New York Giants – Gavin Escobar TE/San Diego State

Adrien Robinson may be the only TE left. Another weapon, more competition.

20. Miami (f/ CHI) – Jordan Reed TE/Florida

Keep adding weapons for Tannehill if you want him to succeed.

21. Minnesota – Akeem Spence DT/Illinois

Very talented player who fell, not a major need but a value pick for an aging Kevin Williams.

22. Cincinnati – Tyler Bray QB/Tennessee

Is Dalton all he is cracked up to be? Bray would give a high upside developmental back-up.

23. Washington – Denard Robinson WR/Michigan

Shanny was interested in some two-way RB/WR players last year.

24. Indianapolis – Brandon Williams DT/Missouri Southern State

Could fit the NT position for Indy.

25. Seattle – Datone Jones DE/UCLA

A name who is moving up boards and fits the Seahawks defense. D-line still seems to be a priority.

26. Green Bay – Terry Hawthorne CB/Illinois

Can allow them to play around with moving a CB to safety.

27. Houston – Chase Thomas LB/Stanford

Not a perfect fit, but tenacious LB who I could see playing inside for Houston.

28. Denver – Khaled Holmes C/USC

Could fall due to injuries and poor play. Allow for a competition/depth after Walton.

29. Baltimore – Quinton Patton WR/Louisiana Tech

Future pick to replace Boldin.


30. San Francisco – Ricky Wagner OL/Wisconsin

OT depth, with maybe even some potential at OG for depth.

31. New England – JC Tretter OG/Cornell

O-line depth is never a bad thing.

32. Atlanta – Joseph Randle RB/Oklahoma State

Maybe similar to Quizz, but a better all-around player.



Best Left:

1. Tank Carradine
2. Andre Ellington
3. Leon McFadden
4. Mallicah Goodman
5. Blidi Wreh-Wilson
6. Cobi Hamilton
7. Kenny Stills
8. Aaron Dobson
9. Jawan Jamison
10. Zac Dysert
11. Dion Sims
12. Brandon Jenkins
13. William Gholston
14. Gerald Hodges
15. John Simon

CJSchneider
01-16-2013, 10:48 AM
I agree with the position and think we will most definitely cut Will Smith. My somewhat conservative nature makes me prefer Sam Montgomery, but if Ziggy Ansah plays up to the level of JPP as many feel he can, that would make a great pick.

vidae
01-16-2013, 10:50 AM
Great KC pick obviously.

bruschis4all
01-16-2013, 10:59 AM
Doubt if any of Fluker, Kyle Long or Frederick go before Jon Cooper.

derza222
01-16-2013, 11:01 AM
Would be an interesting pick for the Jets. I'd like to think the new GM will have the ability to make decisions he feels are in the best interest of the franchise long-term instead of trying to save Rex's job. Obviously talented, although there are on field concerns with him in addition to the health issues. Don't see another clear option on the board though.

Lil Quip
01-16-2013, 11:52 AM
Some quick thoughts then to the analysis of the Pats pick:

6: Browns - Milliner
Don't like this one. Fits BPA, but getting a second top ten pick CB on that roster seems like too much of a luxury, for a roster that seems to be lacking in other areas more. Figure CHUD will want to revamp the offense or stock the defense with players that fit the system they will be running rather than adding another CB.

Really like the Minter to NYG. However, I see the ILB falling a bit more than you have them projected as you have a bunch in the first, so they might have a better array of choices.

I could see the Rams flip flopping and picking Patterson instead. Everything I have heard from that camp is they need a true number one.

For the pats, I am not a huge fan of Amerson. I think we need a number two corner, or a number one if Talib walks. But everything I have heard about Amerson is that he is everything we found out about McCourty. Moonlight as a corner, had temp success, but true fit was at safety. Plus we have the glass doll of Ras-I Dowling filling that role. Finally if he is a safety, we are pretty set without Chung. McCourty and Gregory are the left and right safety, with Wilson being the nickel safety.

Since he dropped off completely, I like the value of Keenan Allen. Also, there might be a situational pass rusher type. We have Jones anchoring one end. We have Nink who does everything well but a master of none. Through in a pass rush inclined end if we want to stress that.

coordinator0
01-16-2013, 11:54 AM
If you project Reed to be gone then a safety would be a good pick for the Ravens in the first round. I'm not sure if Vaccaro is a good fit next to Pollard though. Of course none of the top rated guys at that position would seemingly be ideal fits either unless you project Amerson to FS.

For what it's worth I don't expect Flacco to get the franchise tag. With how close they will already be to the salary cap after tendering their RFAs and EFAs the Ravens would have to clear about $10 million of cap space just to make room for that. They should be really motivated to get a long-term deal done with him.

TACKLE
01-16-2013, 12:08 PM
I know the Ravens are tough to pick for if their isn't value at LB but agree with coordinator about Vaccaro not being a good fit as a deep safety.

But overall, I actually like this mock quite a bit JBond.

vidae
01-16-2013, 12:12 PM
Keenan Allen is still on the board? poke poke.

49erNation85
01-16-2013, 12:15 PM
I don't think a TE is a first round need for sf unless it is its BPA then ok sure. But I think Davis will get better in our offense. But if its BPA good pick otherwise a CB / DT I think will be our pick.

Shane P. Hallam
01-16-2013, 12:19 PM
Keenan Allen is still on the board? poke poke.

Haha yes, he is. We will see how it works out on Friday!

bucfan12
01-16-2013, 12:19 PM
Don't agree with Jonathon Banks to Tampa. I actually like Xavier Rhodes a lot better but give us Enzekial Ansuh. Best player available ad bucs were bottom 5 in sacks. Both secondary and pass rush needs to be addressed.

SuperPacker
01-16-2013, 12:20 PM
I would have no qualms with us picking Frederick.

T-RICH49
01-16-2013, 12:31 PM
Don't think I need to say how much I love the KC pick :)

ChicagoBearsVet23
01-16-2013, 12:48 PM
A TE at 20 a huge reach. I don't see us passing on Cooper or Barrett

Brown Leader
01-16-2013, 01:02 PM
Much to discuss here but I'll stick mostly with the Browns. CB is obviously a need but, unless they spend big money in FA on a rusher, you generally build a defense inside out-and Milliner doesn't wow me either as a top ten pick. With a glaring hole at RE/ROLB, Jones, Jordan or even Ansah are better options.

And where is the love for #21? Russ Lande has Allen as his #5 overall prospect. Are you just not a fan or are you figuring his knee injury will be an issue?

AntoinCD
01-16-2013, 01:05 PM
Not sure I like the Amerson pick. Hopefully Talib gets resigned and Dennard has been playing really well. Depth and a potential starter could be added but unless it's good value I think it's a lesser need. Jonathan Cooper could be a big possiblity at this stage

Shane P. Hallam
01-16-2013, 01:30 PM
Much to discuss here but I'll stick mostly with the Browns. CB is obviously a need but, unless they spend big money in FA on a rusher, you generally build a defense inside out-and Milliner doesn't wow me either as a top ten pick. With a glaring hole at RE/ROLB, Jones, Jordan or even Ansah are better options.

And where is the love for #21? Russ Lande has Allen as his #5 overall prospect. Are you just not a fan or are you figuring his knee injury will be an issue?

I love Allen, he is my top WR, but I have a feeling he will lack that "wow" offseason in a muddled WR class. Add in the medical issues, I think he is a Top 50 pick, but not surefire first WR off the board.

rockio42
01-16-2013, 01:30 PM
I'm a bit iffy on the Ram's picks. They should look more to OT than OG as Richardson was not that good at RT this past season. I'll agree OG is a need, it's just down the line a bit. Also, as much as I want a stud WR this team needs to nab a safety ASAP and if Vacarro is there I can't say I would complain if the Rams grabbed him instead.

killxswitch
01-16-2013, 01:33 PM
Veerry interesting Colts pick.

24) Indianapolis Colts – DJ Fluker OT/Alabama

Might be a safer pick for the Colts who need to keep Andrew Luck upright. Winston Justice is a free agent and Ben Ijalana hasn’t shown himself to be a starting RT. Fluker could fit in there and ultimately be a guard if needed.

To start, I like Fluker. I like his power and his nastiness. Our OL needs that. I like that he comes from a winning program because we've got a bunch of losers (minus Anthony Castonzo) on our OL. The whole thing needs a culture change.

That said, is Fluker worthy of a first round pick? Can he handle NFL speed on the edge? I ask because to me RT isn't that much different from LT anymore. Pass rushers move around too much, a stud LT and a mediocre RT just means DCs will scheme to exploit your right side. That said, Phil Loadholt has been doing it for years and people didn't think he could, so maybe Fluker can too.

Does Fluker project to be a comparable or better guard than Cooper or Frederick? My impression is that he doesn't. And I feel better about re-signing Justice and drafting a guard right now. The Colts have to face JJ Watt twice a year for the foreseeable future, and guard is our weakest position by far. A majority of the hits on Luck appeared to come from interior rushers.

Other options that I think the Colts would consider, should the draft shake out this way, are:

- Travis Frederick, guard is a huge need and center might be if the front office just doesn't like AQ Shipley for some reason. Can't let Luck continue to get hit. I'd normally not put rush OLB and guard on the same level but Luck's protection factors in and pushes that position's value up for the Colts.

- Jonathan Cooper, if he has the right mindset and strength for an NFL OLman. I do prefer Frederick.

- Sam Montgomery, if they think he can play standing up. We have no starting OLB next year.

- Alex Okafor, same reasoning as Montgomery.

- Xavier Rhodes, if his speed is sufficient he and Vontae Davis would make a hell of a set of corners. And he could move to FS if CB wasn't working. With the year Antoine Bethea had, he may not be back after 2013.

Pat Sims 90
01-16-2013, 02:24 PM
I don't see Brown as a 1st Round pick. He is too small and has trouble shredding blocks plus you hardly ever see a explosive play out of him that screams he should go in the 1st round. LB is a need but I don't see Brown being a good pick there.

Montgomery could be a option since the Bengals do have 3 DE that are set to become FAs. Vaccaro could be a option even thought I am not a big fan of his since every SS the Bengals have is set to become a FA. #2 WR also could be a option since they still need to find one to play opposite Green.

TACKLE
01-16-2013, 02:37 PM
I don't see Brown as a 1st Round pick. He is too small and has trouble shredding blocks plus you hardly ever see a explosive play out of him that screams he should go in the 1st round. LB is a need but I don't see Brown being a good pick there.

Pretty much everything said here is incorrect.

Cigaro
01-16-2013, 02:51 PM
Pretty much everything said here is incorrect.

I'm not so sure. I generally disagree about the size, although I'd be hesitant to put him in the 3-4, but he got absolutely swallowed up by Oregon. Was non-existent for most of the game, and you can't attribute that simply to the scheme. He simply couldn't get off blocks, and when he did, he often misjudged what Oregon was doing. He's looked better at it in other games, but it's a very valid concern.

holt_bruce81
01-16-2013, 03:12 PM
Wow I really like it for St. Louis, Hopkins is really growing on me. And Warmack is a really easy/no-brainer pick for us, my fear is him not being there.

I like where you have Te'o going, I think that's more realistic, could never get on board with him being a top 5 selection. And Kyle Long in the first round, wow that's a surprise. if he jumps up into that range, I'd imagine the Rams would have some really high interest in him.

Who do you compare DeAndre Hopkins to? if anyone.

princefielder28
01-16-2013, 05:33 PM
I would have no qualms with us picking Frederick.

Frederick would provide the Packers with the beef upfront that will allow them to become more of a balanced offense and he helps stabilize the center position, which was nothing short of a mess this year.

theMadStork
01-16-2013, 06:17 PM
I just can not see a scenario where Oakland drafts anything but a pass rusher. Star would be great, but there are currently options on the team (Houston, Bryant) to make do. The edge is completely barren.

Matthew Jones
01-16-2013, 06:43 PM
Amerson would be an abysmal pick. Not sure he's good enough in coverage to play cornerback (especially his hips); Belichick has also traditionally favored smaller cornerbacks because of his cone drill fetish. Amerson's a terrible tackler as well, so playing him at free safety would likely be a disaster. This season, New England's rotation of McCourty, Gregory, and Tavon Wilson has been very good. The three combined for twelve interceptions, five forced fumbles, and four fumble recoveries this year, not to mention that the Patriots have invested heavily in all three (first round pick for McCourty, second for Tavon, a three-year deal for Gregory.) The only possible way I could see New England going for a defensive back early is if Talib is allowed to leave in free agency and the Patriots want either a left corner or a free safety (should McCourty shift back.) However, Talib's presence has really stabilized the secondary, prevented deep plays, and allowed New England to use a lot more man coverage than normal, so that would be a surprise. I see Amerson as more of a third round pick.

Scotty D
01-16-2013, 08:38 PM
Good Lions pick, you are right on DE soon becoming a huge need. Moore or Millner is fine with Jarvis as a sleeper pick for a Von Miller like role.

Hermstheman83
01-16-2013, 09:56 PM
Shane, I think we'll inevitably take Geno because he'll remind Reid of McNabb, but what are the chances we take a guy like Tyler Wilson? I've heard a lot of good things about him and although I don't do this for a living(looking at recruits) he seems to fit the "Franhise" profile moreso than Geno. Thoughts?

indyfan1985
01-16-2013, 10:10 PM
Give the Colts S Kenny Vaccaro. They need SS help way more than RT help since they will most likely fix the OL in free agency.

Plus OG is the weakness on the OL for the Colts.

Iamcanadian
01-16-2013, 10:57 PM
First Round

1) Kansas City Chiefs – Geno Smith QB/West Virginia

GM says they go best player available, is that Geno Smith? Nope, but one look at this roster shows Qb is a huge need and Andy Reid will salivate over Geno.

[QUOTE]Got to feel sorry for KC, finally get the #1 overall pick and guess what, no QB worth taking. I think it is a long stretch to even suggest he is a top 10 talent unless he has an outstanding post season. To put him at #1 overall at this point simply cannot be justified no matter what the KC fans want. Now if they could trade back(unlikely scenario), maybe the pick could be justified around #10.

2) Jacksonville Jaguars – Bjoern Werner DE/Florida State

Might be the best all around DE in the draft. Solid pass rusher with upside against the run. Jaguars could opt for a QB later.

3) Oakland Raiders – Star Lotulelei DT/Utah

Just love this fit if Seymour and/or Kelly goes. Adds pass rush and some run defense to improve an ailing Raiders defense.

4) Philadelphia Eagles – Luke Joeckel OT/Texas A&M

Could have the best career of anyone in this draft. If the new staff sticks with Foles, we could see some offensive line changes, cuts, etc. Joeckel makes sense.

I seriously doubt he lasts this long, could easly go #'s 1, 2 or 3

5) Detroit Lions – Damontre Moore DE/Texas A&M

I’m not as high on Moore, but he fits the Lions. I imagine Cliff Avril and KVB are out of the picture leaving some glaring holes on the defensive line.

The run defense already stinks, do you really think a 245lb DE will help it. They had better find another big DE to play opposite him.

6) Cleveland Browns – Dee Milliner CB/Alabama

Don’t like Milliner as a Top 10 pick, but the Browns are tough. Can see Chud pushing for defense and with Sheldon Brown becoming a free agent, a #2 corner next to Haden could be high priority.

7) Arizona Cardinals – Eric Fisher OT/Central Michigan

I think Fisher can make this jump into the Top Ten. Once again, a lot depends on the new coach, staff, etc, but anyone can see how bad the Cardinals offensive line is. Though Massie improved, Levi Brown isn’t an answer.

8) Buffalo Bills – Mike Glennon QB/NC State

Feel like Buffalo goes with a QB and I flip-flopped between Barkley and Glennon. Ultimately, Glennon could have a Blaine Gabbert esque rise and the Bills will feign letting him develop while sticking him in near midseason. Glennon fits Marrone though, so it may work.

He had better have a post season esque rise, because this is a real reach.

9) New York Jets – Jarvis Jones LB/Georgia

Wonder if he does fall that far due to the spinal stenosis. Ultimately, I can see Rex pushing the new GM to build the pass rush and try to go with instant impact players to keep his job. Jarvis Jones fits that despite the risk.

I don't think Ryan will have as much say in the draft and he has to know, defense alone won't win it for him. This team needs offense in the worst way and if Ryan ignores it, he'll be one and done.


I look for Keenan Allen, Xavier Rhodes to make it to round 1, it will be interesting to see where Jonathan Cooper, Sharriff Floyd, Zach Ertz, Matt Elam, Travon Austin and Tyler Eifert all go. Pretty deep in late round 1 talent.

Shane P. Hallam
01-17-2013, 06:10 AM
Shane, I think we'll inevitably take Geno because he'll remind Reid of McNabb, but what are the chances we take a guy like Tyler Wilson? I've heard a lot of good things about him and although I don't do this for a living(looking at recruits) he seems to fit the "Franhise" profile moreso than Geno. Thoughts?

You never know, but Wilson's concussion history and inconsistent play don't seem to endear him to NFL teams.

Bob Sanders Dreadlock
01-17-2013, 07:50 AM
I can live with that colts pick. Seems we have no chance of getting chance warmack.

killxswitch
01-17-2013, 09:49 AM
Give the Colts S Kenny Vaccaro. They need SS help way more than RT help since they will most likely fix the OL in free agency.

Plus OG is the weakness on the OL for the Colts.

Uh, no thanks.

J-Mike88
01-17-2013, 10:36 AM
Frederick would provide the Packers with the beef upfront that will allow them to become more of a balanced offense and he helps stabilize the center position, which was nothing short of a mess this year.
I like the player, but I am hearing that the Packers coaches are just fine-thanks going forward with EDS at center.

They graded him out well, got what they thought when they benched Saturday in favor of EDS.

The Packers, actually, ran the ball pretty well with EDS at center.
And even though they got blitzkrieg'd in San Fran, their pass protection wasn't to blame.

Last year fans expected TT to draft a C like this. And he didn't.
I think it will be the same this year. No center taken, this high for sure.
Give the Packers an ILB or S with the 1st pick.
They need a man's man there, someone who has some physicality, a presence.
Vontaze would have been a great get for them last last year on the field, but this team's MO is to avoid problem-childs like that.

But as you all saw, the personality on defense is softer than Adam Lambert next to a naked Playmate.

MesaCoug
01-17-2013, 04:55 PM
Shane,
Do you think Ertz can fill Delanie Walkers hybrid TE/WR/H-Back roll. Is he fast enough to line up outside? Good enough blocker in space to line up in the backfield? Any names to keep an eye on that would fill that roll later in the draft? I'm okay with the Etrz pick, but if the niners go offensive weapon I would rather see them draft Keenan Allen if he was still on the board.

However With the probable loss of both Isaac Sopoaga and Ricky Jean-Francois on the DL and the safety position a potential issue (Whitner old and Goldson a FA) I think the Niners have bigger needs than a second TE.

If I was drafting in this scenario, I would take Jessie Williams or either Eric Reid or Matt Elam.

Thanks Shane. I enjoy your work.

San Diego Chicken
01-17-2013, 06:18 PM
I don't think San Diego can go defense again in round 1. The last two drafts have been heavy with defense at the top. If the board fell that way Warmack is the guy I would be pining for.

thebow305
01-17-2013, 07:40 PM
Jordan works, although I would prefer Mingo or Cord Patterson for Miami.

Shane P. Hallam
01-18-2013, 10:04 AM
Shane,
Do you think Ertz can fill Delanie Walkers hybrid TE/WR/H-Back roll. Is he fast enough to line up outside? Good enough blocker in space to line up in the backfield? Any names to keep an eye on that would fill that roll later in the draft? I'm okay with the Etrz pick, but if the niners go offensive weapon I would rather see them draft Keenan Allen if he was still on the board.

However With the probable loss of both Isaac Sopoaga and Ricky Jean-Francois on the DL and the safety position a potential issue (Whitner old and Goldson a FA) I think the Niners have bigger needs than a second TE.

If I was drafting in this scenario, I would take Jessie Williams or either Eric Reid or Matt Elam.

Thanks Shane. I enjoy your work.


Yes, I think he can. Blocking not as good as Walker, but much better pass catcher and fast enough for the outside.

GatorsBullsFan
01-18-2013, 11:11 AM
I have no faith in Werner what so ever...I think the kid has Bust written all over him

He does a lot of things good but nothing really great...and considering he doesn't have great speed or acceleration and he doesn't have great size I think he will be way mismatched in the NFL

regoob2
01-18-2013, 01:01 PM
Good Bears pick. The only other option I see there is Jonathan Cooper.

Smooth Criminal
01-18-2013, 02:39 PM
Love it. Steelers desperately need some new young leaders on this defense to rebuild that side of the ball.

Though I would love to come out of it with a pass rusher or a NT that can make a difference. But I'd go best defender available rather than reach.

T-RICH49
01-18-2013, 03:02 PM
Geno & Allen? Yes Please

vidae
01-18-2013, 03:16 PM
Yay for Allen!

Splat
01-18-2013, 03:20 PM
I really want to see Geno Smith throwing passes to Dwayne Bowe.

coordinator0
01-18-2013, 03:26 PM
Aboushi would be a nice pick in the second round for the Ravens. If they're keeping Oher at RT and Osemele at LG then there's a gaping hole at LT.

T-RICH49
01-18-2013, 03:33 PM
I really want to see Geno Smith throwing passes to Dwayne Bowe.

need someone oppo Bowe.I think we can now start to label Baldwin a bust at this point. Thanks Pioli

Menardo75
01-18-2013, 04:18 PM
So far so good with the Niners sir.

SickwithIt1010
01-18-2013, 04:31 PM
Like the first round pick, I think Elam or Reid would be a better 2nd round selection however.

NGSeiler
01-18-2013, 05:28 PM
Big thumbs up for the Rams draft so far.

derza222
01-18-2013, 09:05 PM
Would be disappointed with the Jets passing on Wilson in round 2. Guard is a need, but I'm not sure what I think of Jones' fit.

MH_ATL
01-18-2013, 10:18 PM
1. I really like Montgomery as the falcons first pick. Good player at team's biggest position of need.

2. I like Kelce as a player and TE makes sense for the falcons. That said, I believe he will be available for them in the 3rd, possibly even the 4th, so grabbing him in the 2nd over an OG like Warford or the best avail RB is a disappointment.

3. Two TE's in the 1st is ballsy, considering all the talent on both lines of scrimmage in this draft. When is the last time that happened?

4. Barkley in the mid 2nd?? I just don't see him making it out of the first round. He probably has the most to gain at the combine. if he really impresses he could revisit the top 5. Don't hate on that kid because a Kiffen led disfunctional USC team tanked on all fronts this season. He has elite qb talent and I think a few teams will see through the smoke. Otherwise some team will get a steal in the 2nd.

Shane P. Hallam
01-18-2013, 10:35 PM
Don't be surprised if Kelce isn't even around for the Falcons 2nd rounder, could move up up up

zachsaints52
01-19-2013, 01:05 AM
Why don't you think Te'o to the Saints wouldn't be as good a pick? We have a few DEs that can learn (I'm high on Galette) but we have Lofton and.... yeah. Hawthornes okay, but we will cut Vilma. Te'o can come and be a solid starter from day one.

1funguy
01-19-2013, 06:10 AM
I like Ogletree, but the Chargers aren't changing their defensive scheme since they're retaining Pagano as DC. OL HAS to be addressed, but in this mock you have both Joeckel (natch) & Fisher off the board before our pick at 11. Fisher would be my guy if there. If not, I'd have to take a hard look at a guy like Hankins or maybe Mingo.

Where do you see the Chargers' OL being addressed in this draft scenario?

evenar
01-19-2013, 06:17 AM
I just can't see the Chargers go out of the first two rounds without a left tackle. The situation in San Diego right now is that the entire locker room thinks Jared Gaither is full of s***. They can't go into the off-season without a new starter at left tackle, as they have no one else capable of taking that spot. I strongly feel that if there are no tackles available they deem worthy of the nr 11 spot, they'd rather trade down, collect picks, and draft the second round talent they like the most.

If they should go defense, cornerback is a much bigger need than linebacker, as both starting corners are heading for free agency (they aren't very good to begin with). I'd say that final inside linebacker position next to Butler is a position you could easily fill with a smart free agent signing and a 3rd-4th round pick rotating, especially with Donald Butler emerging as a very, very good football player this year.

MesaCoug
01-19-2013, 11:17 AM
Getting John Jenkins in the 2nd round makes me like the Ertz pick in round 1.

Can Jenkins play the 5 technique in the niners 3-4 or is he only a NT?

Shane P. Hallam
01-19-2013, 11:19 AM
Getting John Jenkins in the 2nd round makes me like the Ertz pick in round 1.

Can Jenkins play the 5 technique in the niners 3-4 or is he only a NT?

I'm not 100% familiar with the 49ers scheme, so not exactly sure, but I'd want him as a NT primarily.

TheSlinger
01-19-2013, 11:29 AM
Regarding the Jaguars draft:

1. Don't mind Werner as a value pick but I don't know about the scheme fit. Jags will be looking for more hybrid pass rushers (think Bruce Irvin last year) while I see Werner as more of a traditional 4-3 DE. I would think Jordan, Mingo, maybe Ansah would be a better pick.

2. Cooper and Nassib would be orgasmic picks but I suspect both will be gone by those points. Especially Nassib. I'd be happy with Nassib at 2.1.

mdmgrand
01-19-2013, 05:56 PM
If Lemonier is available in the 3rd, I would love Milliner in the 1st for the Brownies... Otherwise it is too much of a risk to not grab a DE/OLB in the 1st

Two guys I'm thinking would be great in the 3rd are Chase Thomas and John Simon. I think Simon could be a good rotational guy at DE, and OLB, since he is relentless and has a stout, muscular frame.

Rosebud
01-19-2013, 06:17 PM
I can't see the giants taking a TE unless something bad happens to the Black Unicorn.

Also can't imagine we neglect DL and DB.

Shane P. Hallam
01-19-2013, 07:59 PM
I can't see the giants taking a TE unless something bad happens to the Black Unicorn.

Also can't imagine we neglect DL and DB.

Bennett is a free agent, not guaranteed to be back I imagine.

coordinator0
01-19-2013, 08:07 PM
I'm not a fan of the Patton pick for Baltimore in the third round. He seems like a Tandon Doss clone and the depth at WR is pretty solid for the Ravens. If Boldin and Jones aren't kept around for cap management reasons WR is a need but aside from that it would be a waste when Patton isn't a far and away BPA type of guy. Disregarding the front seven in the top three rounds this year would be a failure for Baltimore in my opinion.

PossibleCabbage
01-19-2013, 10:56 PM
Honestly, I don't like the Packer draft at all.

The one thing that Ted Thompson absolutely does not do is reach for need at non-premium positions. You can hardly get more "non-premium" than Center and Running Back, and neither Frederick nor Ball are round 1/round 2 calibre players IMO. Centers aren't first round picks unless they project to be really high calibre centers, and honestly I would take Jon Cooper and move him to Center before I would take Frederick for the Packers.

BPA in that slot for Green Bay I think is Vaccaro, since they could really use a true "free" safety as they have about six guys who are more comfortable as strong safeties.

Round 2 for Green Bay I would take Robert Woods, who seems to be a perfect fit for that Green Bay passing offense (and would be a nice replacement for Greg Jennings who has likely played his last down in Green and Gold.) Ball is the sort of RB who needs to get a lot of carries to really produce, which is the opposite of the sort of RB that the Packers are looking for as they simply won't have 20+ carries for one guy in a game because that involves taking the ball out of the hands of QB1. They really need fresh legs at RB (and Ball has a lot of mileage) and a guy who can hit homeruns. Ball not a great fit.

No real issues with Hawthorne, I'm just not sure he runs fast enough for GB.

It's also been a dozen years since the Packers have selected a single player from the University of Wisconsin in any round, I really can't see them taking two in back-to-back rounds. That sort of UW/GB connection just doesn't exist.

I would be super-pumped for a Vacarro/Cooper, Woods round 1-2, and really down on a Frederick,Ball round 1-2.

fenikz
01-19-2013, 11:22 PM
I prefer Wilson & Dysert to Barkley, especially for Arians' vertical passing game. Also don't think we select a CB in the draft, Toler got better as he recovered from his injury and Fleming & *** are acceptable #3 CBs plus we run alot of 3 safeties sets. Could use a OLB shame Lemonier went right ahead of us, S also a need as Wilson and Rhodes are both old along with DL if Dockett throws a ***** fit because of the lose of Horton

SuperPacker
01-20-2013, 04:40 AM
Don't understand the Hawthorne pick. Doesn't really make any sense.

Who would you envision moving to FS, exactly?

Abaddon
01-20-2013, 05:01 AM
Okafor in Rd3 is pretty sweet. Makes up for the lack of an edge rusher/34 OLB in Rd1.

Duffman57
01-20-2013, 03:41 PM
11) San Diego Chargers – Alec Ogletree LB/Georgia

Maybe a bit of a surprise pick, but Takeo Spikes is aging, Jonas Mouton is awful and Demorrio Williams is a free agent. Ogletree provides the athletic and coverage upside to free up Donald Butler. If the Chargers change their scheme, even more reason for a LB and Ogletree can play inside or out.

15. San Diego Chargers – Justin Hunter WR/Tennessee

Meachem kind of a bust, can Brown or DX stay healthy? Lots of WR questions, Hunter could help answer them as McCoy and Whiz should realize the benefit of a top WR.

14. San Diego – Eddie Lacy RB/Alabama

Similar to Mathews perhaps, but major insurance is needed and value is great.

Great so we can throw to the deep threat that we dont have time to throw to, and run behind the line that gives everyone free runs at the RB. At least you got a first pick thats good in coverage since we're gonna be thrown all over all game.

Gaither is 100% gone this offseason, by all accounts, some teamates cant even look the guy in the eye anymore after what he pulled this year, and it would take a hell of a lot for him to even be on this team by the time the season starts.

We need OL, OL, OL, OL and then a couple more OL just for good measure, maybe a CB and a pass rusher sprinkled in there somewhere. And wed be looking for a thumper ILB, as thats more of what our D has called for. maybe a guy like Kiko Alonso later in the draft like 3 or 4th round.

In the first round, with all the OT's worth looking at gone, Warmack has to be the pick, if not him then a high athleticism pass rusher like Ansah or Dion Jordan. In the second, gimme a LT, Lane Johnson or Dallas Thomas, i might even throw Justin Pugh in the mix at that point. I could deal with Lacy in the 3rd, with no pass rushers other than maybe Carradine worth the pick.

apb540
01-20-2013, 08:15 PM
For the Eagles, I like Joeckel in the first round, but I would really want Matt Elam if he was there in the second round. He is the playmaking, hard hitting safety that I want. I'd be okay with Rambo in the third, even with Elam, but I'd rather Warford.

pierce2walker
01-20-2013, 10:09 PM
Really like what you did for the Titans. DL (DE and DT), DB (CB and S), and interior OL are our biggest needs and you addressed all of them.

TitanHope
01-20-2013, 10:43 PM
You know my feelings on Richardson from the forum mock. Love it.

That 2nd RD was painful; not for the Trufant pick, but because Reid, Elam, and Jones all go just a few selections before it. I think there are a few needs much bigger than CB, but I know quite a few Titans fans want a #1 or #2 CB so Alterraun Verner can move back inside to NB (although, I think he's just fine on the outside, and what he lacks in talent he makes up with technique). We aren't losing anything in Mouton, and 2012 4th RD pick Coty Sensabaugh saw an increase in playing time as the season ended. If Sensabaugh develops into anything more than a NB, that remains to be seen. If you think Trufant is a starting caliber CB, then nice pick. As for scheme, it's hard for me to say. The Titans have a great pass-rushing OLB duo in Akeem Ayers and Zach Brown, so if DC Jerry Gray wants to utilize those assets more, then a man-coverage CB would be most beneficial. Whether he's smart enough to realize that, I have honestly no idea. I'm not sure who the best man corner on the board would be... Rhodes? Or is Trufant physical because he excels at bump and run?

After taking Richardson in the 1st, LG (Steve Hutchinson is supposedly pondering retirement after his knee injury this season), RG, C, RE, and SS are all needs I have ahead of CB. My hope is that one of the interior OL spots and DE is sorted in FA (although, they should still draft a DE at one point due to nonexistant depth). So Alex Okafor, Tony Jefferson, McDonald, or an OL would be most welcome as well.

Larry Warford in the 3rd is beautiful. I think we're guaranteed to take an OL in the first 3 RD's, and Warford would plop right at RG to replace Leroy Harris, who is a FA.

Abaddon
01-21-2013, 05:44 AM
I'm beginning to get real wood for this John Simon character. Add a 4th round and give him to Oakland. :smugdog:

T-RICH49
01-21-2013, 05:48 PM
don't know much about the CB but you nailed 3 critical needs for KC.great job

thebow305
01-22-2013, 10:51 AM
Solid Miami draft... But for the first 2 rounds, i would prefer Mingo, Rhodes and Austin.