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Xiomera
02-13-2013, 03:33 PM
Welcome to the 2013 NFLDC Dynasty Elite League!

League members (10) Xiomera, Giantsfan1080, BloodBrother, Brodeur, LTGiants, mqtirishfan, Jughead10, fenikz, marshallb, ImBrotherCane

Co-Commissioners: Xiomera and Giantsfan1080

League settings:
Roto scoring (R, HR, RBI, SB, OBP, W, SV, K, ERA, WHIP)
36 player rosters (4 DL slots)
Trades require three votes to veto
Daily lineup changes
Snake draft conducted on the forums (not live)
Initial waiver priority will be the inverse of the draft order

Keeper rules:
25 keepers from year to year with no expiring eligibly
There are no rules for prospects. You can draft a team completely devoid of them if you'd like. However, I strongly discourage any team from having too few or too many at season's end. 3 to 5 prospects is likely ideal.
(These keeper rules are subject to minor tweaking; advance notice will be given)
- No limit on starts by hitters. Tentatively set a 1900 IP limit for pitchers (subject to adjustment, but not by a significant amount).

Members are encouraged to strike a balance between winning in the present and winning in the future. This league is intended to continue for many seasons, which gives additional value to young players and prospects. However, teams are strongly discouraged from loading up on prospects at the expense of current competitiveness.

Some league rules are subject to change before the draft.

Draft rule: No more than five players with rookie eligibility (prospects) can be selected by one team.

Draft rule: There will be no trading of draft picks or players during the draft. All trades will need to wait until the rosters are entered into ESPN and then subjected to a formal veto process.

Also, any players taken in the annual June MLB Draft will not be eligible to be put on a roster during the same season. They'll all be included in the following draft (be it a prospects draft or a regular one).


League homepage: http://games.espn.go.com/flb/leagueoffice?leagueId=21117

Xiomera
02-13-2013, 03:39 PM
Phone list for on the clock alerts:


Xiomera - 248-495-4260
Brodeur - 734-778-3567
GF - 732-690-4258
Fenikz - 623.734.3206
BloodBrother 209-609-7576
mqtirishfan 906-361-0590
Jughead 908-601-0579
ImBrotherCain 315-690-1625
marshallb 507-458-3826

Xiomera
02-13-2013, 03:40 PM
Selection thread

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3276324&#post3276324

Jughead10
02-13-2013, 03:46 PM
Looks good to me. I'd prefer not to do the league with Broduer, but everything else looks great.

Xiomera
02-13-2013, 04:07 PM
There was some debate between GF and I whether to make a separate draft strictly for prospects, but we decided against it.

If someone really wants a certain elite MLB prospect, I think it's unfair to limit the ability to acquire said prospect to the person with a top 2 or 3 pick in a prospects draft.

My hope is simply that someone doesn't get fully enamored with playing the long game and take too many prospects that are 2+ years away before they've assembled a team capable of winning this season.

BloodBrother
02-13-2013, 05:05 PM
So instead of a separate draft for prospects, it's all going to just be one big draft where we take both MLB talents + prospects that we want for our farm?

Xiomera
02-13-2013, 05:40 PM
So instead of a separate draft for prospects, it's all going to just be one big draft where we take both MLB talents + prospects that we want for our farm?

Yes Assuming you guys find this agreeable.

The main reason I didn't want a separate prospects draft is if someone really wants Oscar Tavares, for instance, they'd have to have the top one or two picks in that prospect draft to get him.

I realize this is no different than needing a top 3 pick to get Trout or Braun, but short of having an auction draft (which we won't), there's nothing I can do about that. It just becomes a matter of deciding how soon is too soon to gamble and take a prospect.

My hope is that we don't see players that haven't become MLB regulars yet taken before, say, the 10th round at least. But there's nothing preventing you from doing so. Everyone should play with 2013 contention in mind, though.

BloodBrother
02-13-2013, 05:56 PM
That works for me. The prospects would be on your roster taking up a bench spot as well, correct?

Xiomera
02-13-2013, 06:11 PM
That works for me. The prospects would be on your roster taking up a bench spot as well, correct?

Yes, which is why carrying more than four prospects that are not currently playing in MLB is probably unwise and unjustifiable. I can always bump roster size up by one or two, but I think it'll be OK.

13 positional players start (C, 1B, 2B, SS, 3B, Corner INF, Middle INF, 5 OF, Util), which is the ESPN standard for a 10-team league.

13 pitcher slots — Which seems like a lot, but will simply allow people to not have to shuffle their pitching staff quite as frequently.

That leaves nine roster spots to be used on a combination of reserve hitters, prospects and a couple more pitchers.

Not including players in Disabled List slots (I was generous with these), 350 players and prospects will be owned. I think that's about the level of depth I'm seeking for this, which admittedly is pretty deep.

mqtirishfan
02-13-2013, 08:50 PM
Is this a minimum of 3 prospects, or is that just an idea of what can be done?

Xiomera
02-13-2013, 09:03 PM
Is this a minimum of 3 prospects, or is that just an idea of what can be done?

That's still under consideration. There likely won't be a true minimum or maximum, but ideally we'll all keep the prospect counts within reason.

You'll know for sure before we draft.

Brodeur
02-13-2013, 09:49 PM
Looks good to me. I'd prefer not to do the league with Broduer, but everything else looks great.

........................The **** did I do?

Giantsfan1080
02-14-2013, 08:20 AM
........................The **** did I do?

Be yourself?

Brodeur
02-14-2013, 11:58 AM
Be yourself?

Shut up Zak, I didn't ask you.

Jughead10
02-14-2013, 11:59 AM
Shut up Zak, I didn't ask you.

Well's he right. I take it back though. Now that I realize there won't be a separate prospect draft, I want you in. Wasting all your picks on guys who won't play for 2 years, if ever.

Brodeur
02-14-2013, 12:04 PM
I don't think I've ever even said anything to you directly in terms of offensive things, but alright then.

Xiomera
02-14-2013, 12:12 PM
Well's he right. I take it back though. Now that I realize there won't be a separate prospect draft, I want you in. Wasting all your picks on guys who won't play for 2 years, if ever.

MATT WIETERSZZZZZZ FIRST ROUNDZZZZ!

Giantsfan1080
02-14-2013, 12:45 PM
Remember when Matt Wieters was going to hit like Piazza? That was fun.

Brodeur
02-14-2013, 12:51 PM
Wieters will dominate this year, you'll all see.

-DSVDcw6iW8

Jughead10
02-14-2013, 12:52 PM
I don't think I've ever even said anything to you directly in terms of offensive things, but alright then.

I'm just messing with you. I'm very happy with all the choices for this league.

mqtirishfan
02-14-2013, 12:52 PM
I think drafting Evan Gattis in the first round will be a great way of making a splash.

BloodBrother
02-14-2013, 12:54 PM
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/sports/thetoydepartment/matt-wieters-hof-postcard.jpg

Xiomera
02-14-2013, 01:03 PM
I'm already overanxious to begin drafting. Does anyone object to starting sooner than March 1st? Maybe the end of next week?

mqtirishfan
02-14-2013, 01:05 PM
I'm already overanxious to begin drafting. Does anyone object to starting sooner than March 1st? Maybe the end of next week?

Fiancee is due on February 26, so I'd rather wait.

bearsfan_51
02-14-2013, 01:06 PM
I'm totally unavailable for anything on Tuesdays. I could leave lists, but beyond that I'm unreachable by phone and won't have access to a computer for more than 10 minutes at a time. This goes for both leagues, of course.

Xiomera
02-14-2013, 01:19 PM
Fiancee is due on February 26, so I'd rather wait.

Edit: I'm illiterate.

Giantsfan1080
02-14-2013, 01:29 PM
March 2 might be a bit of a mess for me but other than that I should be good.

Brodeur
02-14-2013, 01:32 PM
OK, we'll wait til February 27th (a Wednesday), to accommodate both you and BF.


This draft will obviously take us a considerable amount of time to get through all 35 rounds. For the few of us in both this league and my old Yahoo league, I'm trying to avoid the two drafts having to overlap much.

Doing it the day after his fiancee is due is a good idea?

bearsfan_51
02-14-2013, 01:36 PM
Eh..I'd give her two days of rest before she has to start making dinner again.

Xiomera
02-14-2013, 01:37 PM
Doing it the day after his fiancee is due is a good idea?

Whoops. I completely mis-read what he wrote. Thought that said "finance" not "fiancee." haha

We'll give the man some more time, haha. Probably stick with March 1st.

Giantsfan1080
02-14-2013, 01:42 PM
If we do March 1 I'm pretty sure I'll be making all my top picks drunk. That could be very good or very bad. One of you fools will have to text me also.

mqtirishfan
02-14-2013, 01:52 PM
I'll keep the thread posted if she goes into labor early. The only time that doesn't work for me is when we're at the hospital.

Brodeur
02-14-2013, 01:55 PM
I'll cover for you if necessary........at the hospital.

Xiomera
02-14-2013, 01:57 PM
If we do March 1 I'm pretty sure I'll be making all my top picks drunk. That could be very good or very bad. One of you fools will have to text me also.

Would you guys be opposed to beginning one week from now? If we have to slow down for various reasons (drunkenness, Tuesdays, births), I don't think it'll matter too much.

35 rounds just seems daunting and I'd rather not do as much texting to alert people as I have in the past.

Giantsfan1080
02-14-2013, 02:04 PM
Would you guys be opposed to beginning one week from now? If we have to slow down for various reasons (drunkenness, Tuesdays, births), I don't think it'll matter too much.

35 rounds just seems daunting and I'd rather not do as much texting to alert people as I have in the past.

I'm usually getting drunk on the weekend anyway so I guess it really doesn't matter for me. March 2 I just might be extra drunk though.

Jughead10
02-14-2013, 02:04 PM
I'm usually getting drunk on the weekend anyway so I guess it really doesn't matter for me. March 2 I just might be extra drunk though.

Drunk and stupid is no way to live your life, son.

Xiomera
02-14-2013, 02:17 PM
Draft is scheduled to begin Wednesday, February 20

We'll get as far as we can before some inevitable stoppages. I'd like to compile a list of phone numbers for us to send "On the clock" alerts to people if necessary. You can PM them to me or post them here. I'll be putting them at the top post of this thread when the draft begins.

Giantsfan1080
02-14-2013, 02:24 PM
Drunk and stupid is no way to live your life, son.

I'm hoping it is this weekend. I need some Southern tang.

Jughead10
02-14-2013, 02:30 PM
I'm hoping it is this weekend. I need some Southern tang.

Tang? Where are you going to get that? Not here.

Giantsfan1080
02-14-2013, 02:43 PM
Tang? Where are you going to get that? Not here.

One never knows. Ron Swanson would believe in me.

Xiomera
02-14-2013, 02:46 PM
One never knows. Ron Swanson would believe in me.

I met Ron Swanson last Friday. Not kidding.

Jughead10
02-14-2013, 03:01 PM
One never knows. Ron Swanson would believe in me.

There are just no options.

mqtirishfan
02-14-2013, 03:22 PM
Yeah, starting early works for me, as long as the 2 day delay doesn't kill everything.

fenikz
02-14-2013, 05:07 PM
so a minimum of 3 & max of 6 prospects can be on your roster?

my number 623.734.3206

BloodBrother
02-14-2013, 06:32 PM
Yeah, I'm down for an early start or any start. I'm usually around a computer or my phone so it won't be a big deal for me

my number is 209-609-7576

Brodeur
02-14-2013, 07:00 PM
Yeah, I'm down for an early start or any start. I'm usually around a computer or my phone so it won't be a big deal for me

my number is 209-609-7576

BloodBrother's number, been waiting to find that one out.

BloodBrother
02-14-2013, 07:06 PM
please no booty calls, not anymore. I have standards now

BloodBrother
02-14-2013, 07:08 PM
Yeah, I'm down for an early start or any start. I'm usually around a computer or my phone so it won't be a big deal for me

my number is http://www.milb.com/images/2011/10/23/Qsendk2Q.jpg-609-7576


this edit makes it look better. Dallas Braden area code pride

Brodeur
02-14-2013, 07:10 PM
please no booty calls, not anymore. I have standards now

Why must you be so harsh?

BloodBrother
02-14-2013, 07:16 PM
I like to look at it as me being exceedingly honest

that or I might be a Dick(technically I am since my name is Richard).

Xiomera
02-14-2013, 09:01 PM
so a minimum of 3 & max of 6 prospects can be on your roster?


No, let me clarify — There are no rules for prospects. You can draft a team completely devoid of them if you'd like.

However, I strongly discourage any team from having too few or too many at season's end. This is a dynasty league, so they're valuable. But I don't want anyone strictly playing the long game and punting contention for this season.

fenikz
02-15-2013, 04:02 AM
1.1 Jurickson Profar

:)

Xiomera
02-15-2013, 02:55 PM
I'm really hoping you guys all like to discuss and make trades. My one hesitation with having such big rosters and so many keepers is that rosters will be stagnant. It'd be great if everyone liked to wheel and deal a bit and be bold at times.

Giantsfan1080
02-15-2013, 02:59 PM
I'm always dealing you won't have to worry about that.

Xiomera
02-15-2013, 03:01 PM
I'm always dealing you won't have to worry about that.

Right. I know I can count on you, but I'd really like to see people be pro-active about initiating trades. It's the only thing that makes a league like this fun. Gotta be invested in the shape of your roster.

BloodBrother
02-15-2013, 03:11 PM
I've got a trade addiction in my other dynasty league, so I'll always be looking to make deals

Jughead10
02-15-2013, 03:19 PM
I think I'll be more likely to trade with the larger rosters and prospects. However I hate making trades early on. I trust my drafting too much, to a fault.

Xiomera
02-15-2013, 03:24 PM
Draft pick trading will be allowed, but trading already selected players will not be until it's over.

I think it's too messy to keep track of otherwise.

fenikz
02-15-2013, 03:45 PM
is there going to be a trade deadline?

nvm it's on the settings page

not that it's likely but what would happen if you failed to pitch 1000 innings

Xiomera
02-15-2013, 03:49 PM
is there going to be a trade deadline?

There will be, yes. But it's currently set at Sept. 6th, so that is a pretty small window of exclusion.

Also, 3 votes will be required to veto a trade. I think that's a good policy. I don't want to be too restrictive, but I do think the league as a whole has a right to reject certain unfair trades.

Giantsfan1080
02-15-2013, 06:53 PM
I think I'll be more likely to trade with the larger rosters and prospects. However I hate making trades early on. I trust my drafting too much, to a fault.

Same here. I always wait at least a month and a half.

ImBrotherCain
02-15-2013, 07:30 PM
I love to trade... So there is no worries for me on that front.

Xiomera
02-17-2013, 09:28 PM
Draft order will be posted Monday. Have to nail down one more potential settings change with GF (who is M.I.A. today) before we're into draft mode.

Sorry for the delay.

BloodBrother
02-18-2013, 08:27 AM
I never do well in this randomize draft orders. I'll be picking 7th probably

mqtirishfan
02-18-2013, 11:39 AM
For the phone list: 906-361-0590

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 03:43 PM
Still missing a few numbers for draft alerts.

Is anyone opposed to receiving text reminders? It won't, obviously, be for every pick.


There will not be a clock for this draft assuming everything runs pretty smoothly. I've been in drafts of this non-live format with most of you before with good success. However, if the same person begins to make a habit of holding up the draft for 3-4 hours every time, we'll re-assess. We have plenty of time to finish the draft, but at the same time, it's still best if it doesn't take us 3 weeks to get through it.

I would appreciate it if you guys can help me out with alerting other people when they're on the clock if you don't see them as being on the forums. Even simply sending a PM to whoever follows your pick is helpful.

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 03:51 PM
Also, I'm not certain where a few of you guys live, geographically. Is anyone here not in the Eastern or Central time zone? I don't want to text someone earlier or later than I should.

Jughead10
02-18-2013, 03:55 PM
Also, I'm not certain where a few of you guys live, geographically. Is anyone here not in the Eastern or Central time zone? I don't want to text someone earlier or later than I should.

908-601-0579
eastern time zone.

BloodBrother
02-18-2013, 04:00 PM
I'm in CA. Anything before 10 AM EST is probably too early on my end, but that's about it

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 04:05 PM
I'm in CA. Anything before 10 AM EST is probably too early on my end, but that's about it

Gotcha. Yeah, I won't be doing any early morning texting, haha.

Everyone can always leave short 3-5 player lists with someone else if they know they won't be around to pick for a while.

I'm still waiting on GF to confirm something with me before the draft order is unveiled. It'll be tonight though.

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 04:22 PM
Draft rule: No more than five players with rookie eligibility (prospects) can be selected by one team.

This rule may be amended later, but in the early stages of the league we'll go with that rule. I don't think it makes sense to draft more than five anyways.

mqtirishfan
02-18-2013, 04:24 PM
Eastern Time Zone, here. Still no baby yet, so count on a delay, but after that I'll have 2 weeks off and texts are fine by me for any pick.

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 04:29 PM
Please note:

The league originally had K/9 as a stat category, but we've changed it back to just K for pitchers.

Final categories:
R, HR, RBI, SB, OBP
W, SV, K, ERA, WHIP

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 04:37 PM
The moment you have probably been anticipating ... Good luck to all.

Draft order:


1. mqtirishfan
2. LTGiants
3. Xiomera
4. Brodeur
5. fenikz
6. BloodBrother
7. Jughead
8. GF1080
9. BrotherCain
10. BF51

mqtirishfan
02-18-2013, 04:40 PM
Huzzah! When are we officially starting this draft? Obligatory: Tim Brady, motha *******.

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 04:42 PM
Huzzah! When are we officially starting this draft?

I suppose we can start tomorrow. BF said he's unavailable on Tuesdays, but we can get some picks in before we get to him.

BloodBrother
02-18-2013, 05:07 PM
I never do well in this randomize draft orders. I'll be picking 7th probably

Damn, I was close

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 05:13 PM
I honestly don't think there's a particularly bad spot to be drafting. Sure, getting Trout is nice, but there are also big-time merits of getting a pair of studs picking at the back end of the order too.

BloodBrother
02-18-2013, 05:30 PM
I just really wanted to own Trout[/Angels homer], but it's all good either way

Now I just need to see who I'd be looking at 6th overall

LTgiants
02-18-2013, 05:31 PM
Sweet. I got the #2 pick.

fenikz
02-18-2013, 05:32 PM
5 sucks :/

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 05:34 PM
I would tell you guys you can swap draft slots but I just spent like 10 minutes making this post here:

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3273084&#post3273084

And I'll never get those 10 minutes back, so ... I'd suggest you all bookmark it.

ImBrotherCain
02-18-2013, 05:34 PM
Phone number for on the clock alerts.

315-690-1625

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 05:41 PM
Phone numbers for text alerts for everyone but LT and BF are in the second post of this thread.

Please make an effort to post a player photo with your selections. It helps make it easier to follow the picks.

fenikz
02-18-2013, 07:25 PM
waiver order on espn is wrong just so you know

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 07:29 PM
waiver order on espn is wrong just so you know

Thanks. I'll fix it. Supposed to be inverse of draft order.

MQT is free to make his pick whenever he wants to kick this off.

mqtirishfan
02-18-2013, 07:35 PM
At work until 9, then running a couple errands. Willing to listen to any offers until I make my pick.

mqtirishfan
02-18-2013, 09:27 PM
Alright, let's get this thing going. With the first pick, I take:

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/si/2012/writers/cliff_corcoran/08/22/Mike-Trout/Mike-Trout.jpg

Mike Trout, OF, LAA

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 09:32 PM
^^^ Add 30 pounds

mqtirishfan
02-18-2013, 09:35 PM
^^^ Add 30 pounds

Can we at least consider the idea of having a separate draft selection thread? It might get a little tricky to navigate if we want to have some discussion going in the draft process. But yeah, I considered using Andruw Jones' picture instead, but felt I'd be jinxing myself too much.

fenikz
02-18-2013, 09:36 PM
ya i would prefer that as well to keep things clean, just all the discussion in here

BloodBrother
02-18-2013, 09:37 PM
Which means add 30 more HR's. He's hitting 60 this year. It's a lock

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 09:37 PM
Alright. I'll make a separate thread.

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 09:40 PM
SELECTION THREAD:

http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=3276324&#post3276324

Bookmark it and reference to avoid double picks.

MQT, can you please re-post your Trout pick there.

LTgiants
02-18-2013, 09:49 PM
Sorry didn't know about separate thread.

BloodBrother
02-18-2013, 09:50 PM
Anyway the selection thread could get stickied so the threads are back to back. This one should be titled as the Draft Chat or whatever

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 09:51 PM
Anyway the selection thread could get stickied so the threads are back to back. This one should be titled as the Draft Chat or whatever

I don't have mod powers. Wish I could.

Now I'm on the clock. Ugh. I have Cabrera in my other fantasy league. Anyone want this pick? haha

fenikz
02-18-2013, 09:56 PM
i got connections :)

BloodBrother
02-18-2013, 09:57 PM
mod powers rule

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 10:01 PM
Alright ... I am not a homer for anyone other than Miguel, so I really have no choice here.

LT threw me a curve. I actually thought he'd leave me Braun.

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 10:23 PM
I'll be very interested to see how much people focus on the dynasty aspect of this league in terms of drafting potential and youth. I imagine somebody is gonna be able to draft a star-studded team of guys who fall farther than they should because they're on the wrong side of 30. That person will probably win the league this season and it'll be worth it.

fenikz
02-18-2013, 10:28 PM
i hate you fantasy baseball for making me pick Matt Kemp

BloodBrother
02-18-2013, 10:34 PM
Dude, you saved me from doing it.

time to think about who to take

BloodBrother
02-18-2013, 10:51 PM
First trade of the season

I trade:

Rights to 6th overall pick
2nd round pick
4th round pick
8th round pick

to mqtirishfan for:

Mike Trout
6th round pick
7th round pick
8th round pick

mqtirishfan
02-18-2013, 10:52 PM
First trade of the season

I trade:

Rights to 6th overall pick
2nd round pick
4th round pick
8th round pick

to mqtirishfan for:

Mike Trout
6th round pick
7th round pick
8th round pick

Confirming. COME AT ME, BROS.

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 10:53 PM
Well, I did say I didn't want already selected players to be traded to avoid complication, but I suppose we can do this ...

Anyone object to the valuation difference of those draft picks? There's not a formal veto process until the picks are entered to ESPN.

BloodBrother
02-18-2013, 10:54 PM
Sorry Xio, that's a lot of pick editing for you to do

in any case, I keep my homerism away from fantasy, but I can't stop myself when it comes to

http://larrybrownsports.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/Mike-Trout-big-baby.jpg

BloodBrother
02-18-2013, 10:56 PM
Well, I did say I didn't want already selected players to be traded to avoid complication, but I suppose we can do this ...

Woops, sorry about that. To be fair, at least it ends up as an even 4 for 4 swap to make it less complicated

mqtirishfan
02-18-2013, 10:57 PM
Well, I did say I didn't want already selected players to be traded to avoid complication, but I suppose we can do this ...

Anyone object to the valuation difference of those draft picks? There's not a formal veto process until the picks are entered to ESPN.

Sorry, missed that part. And if there's an informal veto, I'd live with the decision.

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 10:57 PM
In the future, we need to at least allow people to consider for a moment whether the value of the picks being swapped is acceptably even enough.

The only draft pick swaps we usually have in these drafts are simple ones like Person A's 2nd and 3rd rounder for Person B's 2nd and 3rd rounder.

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 10:58 PM
I don't want to preclude you guys from making a trade, but I question whether it breaks the spirit of the draft slotting to have MQT then have an extra 2nd and 4th round pick for just moving down 5 slots (even if it is Trout).

Anybody wanna weigh in here aside from those involved? My co-commish isn't around ..

BloodBrother
02-18-2013, 11:00 PM
We could nuke the deal if you want

I could always try to trade for Trout post draft or somethng along those lines

fenikz
02-18-2013, 11:01 PM
I personally have no problem with it but the only trades I will ever veto is if I feel there has been some sort of collusion

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 11:05 PM
We could nuke the deal if you want

I could always try to trade for Trout post draft or somethng along those lines

I don't mind that an already-drafted player was traded. I just question the value swap of the additional draft picks.

When I've conducted these drafts on the forums every year, in-draft trades usually have the rounds line up.

MQT already had the benefit of the #1 pick and he parlayed it into two much earlier draft picks for simply moving down 5 slots.

BloodBrother
02-18-2013, 11:07 PM
I get that, which is why if it would help/make it easier, we could just wait until post draft and then I see what combination of players I'd trade to get Trout. Just go through the draft process with all of my picks, then figure out how I could trade for Trout, if possible

mqtirishfan
02-18-2013, 11:08 PM
I get that, which is why if it would help/make it easier, we could just wait until post draft and then I see what combination of players I'd trade to get Trout. Just go through the draft process with all of my picks, then figure out how I could trade for Trout, if possible

I find this option agreeable if there are any objections to our trade.

BloodBrother
02-18-2013, 11:09 PM
Might as well just do that. Much easier. I'm just too impatient with things lol

mqtirishfan
02-18-2013, 11:11 PM
Might as well just do that. Much easier. I'm just too impatient with things lol

Edit: If Xio is more comfortable this way, I'm down with it.

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 11:11 PM
I would prefer that if you guys find that agreeable. I really didn't think we'd have a problem, but I wasn't expecting having to evaluate the fairness of a blockbuster so early. We can't evaluate the fairness of a trade involving variable round draft picks yet. There's no precedent for this.

BloodBrother
02-18-2013, 11:15 PM
Yeah, I'm fine with it

Jughead10
02-18-2013, 11:16 PM
Just let me know when I can pick.

Personally I'm not a fan of trading picks in the first year of a league.

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 11:16 PM
Sorry guys. I feel kinda guilty for having to kill the deal, but I also think it's a league-altering decision from the get-go.

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 11:16 PM
Blood, are you picking McCutchen if you're staying at 6?

BloodBrother
02-18-2013, 11:18 PM
Yep, that's who I was gonna take

BloodBrother
02-18-2013, 11:20 PM
Sorry guys. I feel kinda guilty for having to kill the deal, but I also think it's a league-altering decision from the get-go.

Not a big deal. I'm new to the leagues on here so it's some trial and error for me when it comes to some things

I agree that pick trading is usually pretty tricky and rarely do it anyway. I'll just wait post draft to try and work something out

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 11:21 PM
Personally I'm not a fan of trading picks in the first year of a league.

Maybe we should put this to a league vote. It's a significant decision.

Should draft pick trading be allowed?

I'm in favor of allowing people to simply trade draft positioning within rounds:

Example:

I trade my 2nd and 3rd round picks to Brodeur for his 2nd and 3rd round picks.

Brodeur
02-18-2013, 11:23 PM
It doesn't matter to me. If people want to, they're welcome to.

BloodBrother
02-18-2013, 11:29 PM
I don't mind it. I don't think we'll see it too often though as is

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 11:36 PM
If you filled in the unknowns in that cancelled trade, it would have probably looked something like Trout, 6th, 7th rounder for McCutchen, Tulowitzki and Hamels (guessing based on common preseason ranks).

I think it's important that we wait until we know exactly who those placeholder draft picks would have been. Thanks for being understanding of the dilemma, guys.

Xiomera
02-18-2013, 11:40 PM
GF is on the clock.

mqtirishfan
02-18-2013, 11:42 PM
I think it's important that we wait until we know exactly who those placeholder draft picks would have been. Thanks for being understanding of the dilemma, guys.

No worries. If the worst thing that happens on the first day of the draft is I get stuck with Trout, it's a pretty solid day.

BloodBrother
02-18-2013, 11:55 PM
I was also able to use my sweet Cutch gif

Giantsfan1080
02-19-2013, 08:23 AM
I'm a little nervous about my pick because he has nothing around him right now but he should still put up his numbers.

Giantsfan1080
02-19-2013, 08:28 AM
I'm also not a big fan of trading picks during the draft especially the 1st year. I'd say wait until afterwards when rosters are completed.

ImBrotherCain
02-19-2013, 08:51 AM
I was torn here... until I realized it was a dynasty league and that changed everything.

Giantsfan1080
02-19-2013, 09:09 AM
Is BF not picking on Tuesdays or something like that?

Xiomera
02-19-2013, 09:16 AM
I'm also not a big fan of trading picks during the draft especially the 1st year. I'd say wait until afterwards when rosters are completed.

Yeah, I'm going to back this. Everyone should just be worrying about assembling their initial team and drafting guys they want (not for other people).

Draft rule: There will be no trading of draft picks or players during the draft. All trades will need to wait until the rosters are entered into ESPN and then subjected to a formal veto process.

Xiomera
02-19-2013, 09:21 AM
Is BF not picking on Tuesdays or something like that?

He said he'd be unavailable to pick on Tuesdays, so this thing may completely stall today.

Giantsfan1080
02-19-2013, 09:23 AM
He said he'd be unavailable to pick on Tuesdays, so this thing may completely stall today.

Well that's going to be a pain in the ass.

Xiomera
02-19-2013, 11:37 AM
I think I may be immediately open to trading Miguel Cabrera after the draft. Get your offers ready, kids.

mqtirishfan
02-19-2013, 11:52 AM
Well that's going to be a pain in the ass.

Good thing it's February.

Xiomera
02-19-2013, 05:06 PM
Hopefully we can get through a round tonight if BF makes an appearance. If anyone won't be around, please consider sending a 2-3 player list, or just post in the thread that you want a text alert.

ImBrotherCain
02-19-2013, 05:17 PM
I should be around but if I am not if its possible shoot me an email at ImBrotherCain@gmail.com

My apartment is a black hole for cell service but I always have my phone connected to my Wifi

mqtirishfan
02-19-2013, 05:25 PM
Just shoot me a text if it gets all the way to me. Every single team drafts between now and when I'm up, so I can't exactly send a list.

fenikz
02-19-2013, 05:30 PM
giving me some time to make tiers, hadn't done any research prior to this :/

mqtirishfan
02-19-2013, 08:37 PM
giving me some time to make tiers, hadn't done any research prior to this :/

Yeah, the draft really snuck up on me.

Brodeur
02-19-2013, 08:44 PM
I don't do research for drafts, I'm a real man.

Xiomera
02-19-2013, 10:03 PM
On future Tuesdays, BF is going to have to leave a list of some sort. I don't blame him for this week since we originally weren't starting the draft until Wednesday.

ImBrotherCain
02-20-2013, 08:48 AM
I want to make my pick :-(

Xiomera
02-20-2013, 09:35 AM
It shows that BF was on the forums a little over an hour ago and didn't make his pick.

Sigh ...

BloodBrother
02-20-2013, 10:29 AM
Things are going so well

*sound of balloon deflating*

Giantsfan1080
02-20-2013, 10:44 AM
Does BF not want texts from anyone?

Xiomera
02-20-2013, 10:51 AM
Does BF not want texts from anyone?

During last year's draft for our other league, he gave me his number, but didn't want it posted in the league thread. I no longer have it.

All I can do is send him PMs.

Brodeur
02-20-2013, 11:54 AM
*waits for everyone besides LTGiants and BloodBrother to get pissed for that*

Brodeur
02-20-2013, 11:56 AM
Really Xio? God, you're such a party pooper. I forgot NO FUN ALLOWED.

mqtirishfan
02-20-2013, 12:10 PM
I missed something good, I can sense it.

bearsfan_51
02-20-2013, 12:24 PM
Sorry guys. I didn't even have time to check my messages yesterday and had no idea the pick was on me. I told Xio that if he there was anyone else interested in joining they could have my spot, or I can make my pics shortly. I'm pretty loaded with work right now, so I'll do my best.

Xiomera
02-20-2013, 12:26 PM
Anyone have someone reliable in mind we can replace BF with?

If we don't have a good candidate, we'll have to consider our options I guess.

Xiomera
02-20-2013, 12:37 PM
Hold tight, folks -- I'm working on finding us someone.

D-Unit
02-20-2013, 12:45 PM
Hold tight, folks -- I'm working on finding us someone.
fWNaR-rxAic

BloodBrother
02-20-2013, 01:15 PM
I missed something good, I can sense it.

Yeah, I felt a tingling in my loins to

Brodeur
02-20-2013, 01:17 PM
Yeah, I felt a tingling in my loins to

I cashed in my money in the bank shot, but SOMEONE felt the need to block it. It's in my damn contract!

Xiomera
02-20-2013, 01:18 PM
This sucks, fellas. I want to get this moving again, but I don't want just anybody to fill the open position. If anyone has a suggestion of who to invite, send me a PM.

BloodBrother
02-20-2013, 01:39 PM
I cashed in my money in the bank shot, but SOMEONE felt the need to block it. It's in my damn contract!

http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/superstar_bio/public/talent/bio/2012/01/ricardo-rodriguez-bio.png

Brodeur
02-20-2013, 01:40 PM
http://www.wwe.com/f/styles/superstar_bio/public/talent/bio/2012/01/ricardo-rodriguez-bio.png

d0rEBIqm5Bc

WAIT A MINUTE....

http://royalrumbler.files.wordpress.com/2011/07/edge-money-in-the-bank.jpg

LTgiants
02-20-2013, 01:53 PM
Lol what is going on?

Xiomera
02-20-2013, 01:56 PM
I've contacted a few people but am waiting to hear back. They all left the forums before replying to my PM.

Ugh.

Brodeur
02-20-2013, 02:05 PM
Lol what is going on?

MDL4j-I_IuM

I AM THE NEW TENTH MEMBER.

Xiomera
02-20-2013, 02:41 PM
I'm happy to announce that marshallb has joined the league. I've played fantasy football with him and I know he'll be dependable.

He is on the clock and will pick very shortly.

Thank you for your patience, folks.

Jughead10
02-20-2013, 02:43 PM
XIO for best Commish ever!!!! I bet GF just stood around with his hand down his pants while you did all the work.

marshallb
02-20-2013, 02:49 PM
Glad to be a part of this, guys, and my picks are up.

BloodBrother
02-20-2013, 02:50 PM
MDL4j-I_IuM

I AM THE NEW TENTH MEMBER.

http://i.imgur.com/qBYd5NH.gif

Xiomera
02-20-2013, 03:05 PM
We should start rolling right along now. I'm very happy with the 10 guys we now have in this league. I see all of you are keeping up with this well.

Brodeur
02-20-2013, 03:08 PM
Albert Pujols in the top 12, in 2013...

http://whatistheexcel.com/wooobooru/_images/bf21f76801c0a2e9fbde9add681e0f72/1110%20-%20dolph_ziggler%20laughing%20wwe.jpg

Xiomera
02-20-2013, 03:09 PM
I said before that someone is gonna be able to win year 1 of the league easily if they pick veterans that everyone else passes on. Pujols is a 1st rounder in standard leagues.

Brodeur
02-20-2013, 03:13 PM
SHUT THE **** UP DANIEL, THIS IS MY MOMENT.

http://i3.ytimg.com/vi/VsO29zqjDpY/mqdefault.jpg

I GOT THE MIC NOW.

ImBrotherCain
02-20-2013, 03:16 PM
I am now realizing I am in this league with Brody. Can I back out?

Jughead10
02-20-2013, 04:06 PM
I'll be away for a little. Should be back by 6:30 at the latest if GF picks. Or you can text me.

Xiomera
02-20-2013, 04:22 PM
GF, you wanna text your pal Juggy?

Giantsfan1080
02-20-2013, 04:24 PM
GF, you wanna text your pal Juggy?

Yeah was just about to.

Xiomera
02-20-2013, 04:25 PM
I'm gonna be inquiring about a trade for Prince in one of our two leagues, GF. You can't be hoarding him forever.

Giantsfan1080
02-20-2013, 04:31 PM
I'm gonna be inquiring about a trade for Prince in one of our two leagues, GF. You can't be hoarding him forever.

Yes I can. I know exactly what I'm getting from him every year.

Xiomera
02-20-2013, 05:11 PM
Brodeur is in class. Says he won't be out til 9ish (EST).


Big thanks to Blood and Fenikz for taking two players I like, but didn't want to be compelled to take. I already own both in my other fantasy league.

mqtirishfan
02-20-2013, 05:15 PM
Did anyone tell him that this is way more important than his future? Because it is.

BloodBrother
02-20-2013, 06:19 PM
Brodeur attends clown university, right?

fenikz
02-20-2013, 06:22 PM
that's a clown question bro

BloodBrother
02-20-2013, 06:37 PM
That one was set up on a tee by me

Xiomera
02-20-2013, 08:23 PM
I'll pick shortly. Brodeur took my guy, so I'm re-thinking things.

mqtirishfan
02-20-2013, 08:33 PM
I'll pick shortly. Brodeur took my guy, so I'm re-thinking things.

If you or LT take one of my 2 guys, I'll be hella pissed.

mqtirishfan
02-20-2013, 08:50 PM
Xio, you son of a *****.

Xiomera
02-20-2013, 08:57 PM
Xio, you son of a *****.

Blame Brodeur. I would have taken Longoria otherwise.

Also, you have Mike Trout. Shut up. http://draftcountdown.com/forum/images/icons/icon10.gif

mqtirishfan
02-20-2013, 09:23 PM
Choosing between the pitchers killed me, but for some reason I'm really big on Price, and Felix's elbow MRI spooked me.

Xiomera
02-20-2013, 09:34 PM
Big thanks to MQT for leaving me Verlander then. I was gonna take whichever pitcher was left among that group.

I will be open to trading Verlander or Kershaw after the draft though if anyone is interested.

BloodBrother
02-20-2013, 09:43 PM
damn, everybody takin arms now

BloodBrother
02-20-2013, 09:44 PM
http://i.imgur.com/ITA90w7.png

Brodeur
02-20-2013, 09:45 PM
damn, everybody takin arms now

I refuse to reach for an arm.

Xiomera
02-20-2013, 09:57 PM
I'm stunned someone didn't take Kershaw to begin the pitching run sooner.

I did a 2 round mock draft guessing who you'd all take and had three pitchers gone by the time I made my 2nd round pick.

mqtirishfan
02-20-2013, 10:07 PM
Looks like we just missed Fenikz being online.

Giantsfan1080
02-20-2013, 10:13 PM
I'm heading to bed now but I'll be back online by 8 in the morning.

fenikz
02-20-2013, 10:29 PM
pick will be up in a second

BloodBrother
02-20-2013, 10:31 PM
And I'm here chillin so I'll be ready for my pick. Already doing research on who to take anyway

Xiomera
02-20-2013, 10:51 PM
We made some great progress today. Looks like we'll get through Blood and Jug's picks tonight and GF will start it up first thing in the morning.

Again, we know we'll have a couple day delay soon when MQT's kid is born, but that's no big deal.

BloodBrother
02-20-2013, 10:54 PM
Alright give me a few minutes to research

Xiomera
02-20-2013, 11:12 PM
I'm really enjoying all of the great photo selections for the draft picks.

BloodBrother
02-20-2013, 11:18 PM
pained me to take a dodgers player over the Halos guy, but it's hard to find 20/20 guys at 3B/SS and he'll be surrounded by a very good lineup

this will be the first time I've ever owned Hanley in any league though, so it's something new

mqtirishfan
02-20-2013, 11:29 PM
pained me to take a dodgers player over the Halos guy, but it's hard to find 20/20 guys at 3B/SS and he'll be surrounded by a very good lineup

this will be the first time I've ever owned Hanley in any league though, so it's something new

Hanley was quickly rising up my board, though I knew I had no chance.

mqtirishfan
02-21-2013, 08:07 AM
Oh man, it's 9 AM and we're cooking with gas, now.

marshallb
02-21-2013, 10:00 AM
I just woke up, my picks will be up soon.

BloodBrother
02-21-2013, 01:22 PM
I am here to pick. Give me a minute

mqtirishfan
02-21-2013, 01:32 PM
As an aside, is there a reason we didn't go with QS over W? I thought us a more enlightened bunch.

Xiomera
02-21-2013, 01:49 PM
As an aside, is there a reason we didn't go with QS over W? I thought us a more enlightened bunch.

I don't like to deviate too much from the generally used fantasy stats. Yes, I know they aren't the statistics that best indicate good players, but I still enjoy the simplicity of the usual ones.

GF and I discussed some other ones, but they too have some problems.

Quality starts is at times just as arbitrary as wins.

Xiomera
02-21-2013, 01:53 PM
I texted Fenikz

mqtirishfan
02-21-2013, 02:06 PM
Quality starts is at times just as arbitrary as wins.

Meh, I guess I just hate wins because pitchers like Felix get screwed over.

ImBrotherCain
02-21-2013, 02:25 PM
Meh, I guess I just hate wins because pitchers like Felix get screwed over.

Yeah and if you do QS you get Ross Ohlendorf with 18 QS :facepalm:

BloodBrother
02-21-2013, 02:49 PM
QS aren't without its flaws either

Xiomera
02-21-2013, 03:25 PM
Brodeur said he'll be on to pick in 15ish minutes.

Xiomera
02-21-2013, 03:54 PM
I'll be picking shortly. There's two guys I'm torn between.

mqtirishfan
02-21-2013, 03:56 PM
Xio, could you text me who you and LT pick and I'll text you back my two picks if you could. Phone is at 8% and I'm shopping.

Xiomera
02-21-2013, 03:57 PM
Xio, could you text me who you and LT pick and I'll text you back my two picks if you could. Phone is at 8% and I'm shopping.

No problem.

Xiomera
02-21-2013, 05:01 PM
Sorry guys. It's gonna be about 30 minutes for me to pick. LT just took the guy I wanted and I have to drive into my office at work.

Don't think Brodeur is around right now anyways.

BloodBrother
02-21-2013, 05:08 PM
i'll be back in about an hour myself

ImBrotherCain
02-21-2013, 05:42 PM
Bahahaha Brody ridicules me for Pujols but takes Edwin Encarnacion.

BloodBrother
02-21-2013, 06:17 PM
Damn, I was targeting Carlos Santana here

Xiomera
02-21-2013, 06:26 PM
Damn, I was targeting Carlos Santana here

Interesting. I wasn't crazy about the pick, but you're the second person that's told me they wanted him.

I have fenikz's pick to post when Brodeur picks. He's in class and will pick soon he said.

mqtirishfan
02-21-2013, 06:26 PM
I feel ridiculous taking Kimbrel at 41, but such is the problem with not having another pick until 60.

BloodBrother
02-21-2013, 06:27 PM
A 30 HR hitting catcher is rare. Add in the fact that he's a goddamn wizard on the guitar and he's the total package

Xiomera
02-21-2013, 06:27 PM
I feel ridiculous taking Kimbrel at 41, but such is the problem with not having another pick until 60.

You must have really wanted him. I think it was only about 10 picks too soon, though. You'll be able to get a steal later to even it out I'm sure.

mqtirishfan
02-21-2013, 06:35 PM
You must have really wanted him. I think it was only about 10 picks too soon, though. You'll be able to get a steal later to even it out I'm sure.

Yeah, with Chapman all but guaranteed to move to the rotation, he's really the only blue chip keeper at the position. Plus, he gets enough Ks to be pretty damn valuable in general. I also love me some Kimbrel.

Xiomera
02-21-2013, 07:20 PM
Damn it, Blood — I didn't want you to take THAT pitcher!

Giantsfan1080
02-21-2013, 07:29 PM
Damn BloodBrother took the exact 2 players I wanted with my next 2 picks. I didn't think both would be there but really was hoping for one of them.

Xiomera
02-21-2013, 07:30 PM
GF, you wanna text Juggy?

Giantsfan1080
02-21-2013, 07:33 PM
He'll pick in a few.

Giantsfan1080
02-21-2013, 07:38 PM
Ohh Xio took Santana. Well then you both stole a guy from me.

Xiomera
02-21-2013, 07:40 PM
Ohh Xio took Santana. Well then you both stole a guy from me.

That makes three people that wanted him more than I did, and yet I am the one who has him.

Giantsfan1080
02-21-2013, 07:42 PM
I'll take him off your hands after the draft then.

BloodBrother
02-21-2013, 07:42 PM
Totally lost track of how many arms had already been taken and realized I had to nab one soon. Glad I was able to land Moore here

Xiomera
02-21-2013, 07:51 PM
I'll take him off your hands after the draft then.

I'll be open to trades probably, but might take the Jughead approach and wait a couple months if I generally like the construction of my team.

Giantsfan1080
02-21-2013, 07:53 PM
I'll be open to trades probably, but might take the Jughead approach and wait a couple months if I generally like the construction of my team.

That's my approach dammit.

Xiomera
02-21-2013, 08:00 PM
That's my approach dammit.

You're right. Jughead basically employs that strategy year round, haha

Jughead10
02-21-2013, 08:01 PM
You're right. Jughead basically employs that strategy year round, haha

I made two trades last year in the other league. TWO!!!

I'll be back in an hour to see if I'm up.

Xiomera
02-21-2013, 08:23 PM
I assume GF knows he's up ...

Xiomera
02-21-2013, 09:13 PM
I texted Cain a little bit ago, but I'm guessing we're done for the night. Marshall may not be on tonight.

More good progress today, folks.

ImBrotherCain
02-22-2013, 07:56 AM
Sorry about the delay folks. Will be picking shortly.

BloodBrother
02-22-2013, 08:42 AM
Damn you Jughead, you took my pick

http://gifs.gifbin.com/072011/reverse-1310121676_angry_wrestler.gif

Jughead10
02-22-2013, 08:55 AM
Nice. My thought process was correct. There was someone else I actually wanted a bit more, but I think that person is more likely to make it back to me.

Xiomera
02-22-2013, 09:25 AM
You guys keep picking players I didn't want, but would have had a hard time passing on regardless. Keep that up, please.

BloodBrother
02-22-2013, 09:30 AM
I wonder when the first legit prospect/dude with no MLB experience goes and if it starts a PROSPECT RUN where a few others will then rattle off some picks

Giantsfan1080
02-22-2013, 09:33 AM
I wonder when the first legit prospect/dude with no MLB experience goes and if it starts a PROSPECT RUN where a few others will then rattle off some picks

There is one guy I want but I really have no idea when I should take him. I think someone will end up pulling the trigger on him before me.

BloodBrother
02-22-2013, 09:40 AM
do it, I need some more established big leaguers

machado likely will be league average this season and I passed on better options, so gotta stock up on some dudes who will help me more for this year

aka give me all the old players

mqtirishfan
02-22-2013, 10:25 AM
Was really hoping Machado would fall. Damn.