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ricky bobby
04-03-2007, 04:52 PM
If I was the GM (THESE ARE NOT MOCK DRAFTS)

Disclaimer - Totally unrealistic and does not reflect what Jerry Reese will, or should do in the draft and off season. But this is what I would do if I had absolute power, like in Madden. Insert Evil Laugh here.

Cut announcements –
Sam Madison
RW McQuarters
William Joseph
That will be all... for now.

Trades –
- 20th overall pick for Tampa Bay’s 35th, 64th and 142nd picks overall.
- Trade Osi Umenyiora to Lions for 34th and 66th picks. (Oh no he didn’t. Yes I did.)

Draft
34 – Dwayne Bowe - WR - Big WR that can make the lack of Toomer's pressence almost unkown. Gives Eli a nice big, tough target to throw to down the middle of the field. Great compliment to Burress and Moss.

35 – Michael Griffin - FS - Griffin - 6' 205 pounds. Although Demps is servicable, I like young athletic guys. Griffin had a nice career at Texas and had spectacular workouts. I'd like to see him line up opposite of Wilson and make some plays.

51 – Antonio Pittman - RB - Great career at Ohio State and put up great workout numbers. Has good speed and we would have one of the best split backfields in the league if we got this guy. He has the perfect combo of size and speed. Reminds me of Thomas Jones of the NYJ.

64 – Josh Wilson - CB - His size and speed might make him look like a finesse corner, but he is very tough and solid vs. the run. Needs to develop and polish his coverage skills some more, but would be a solid addition to a 3-4 defense which stresses solid tackling skills.

66 – Ikaika Alama-Francis - DE - Very athletic player that has been on the rise. He has great athleticism for a guy his size and if he adds 10 pounds he can be effective vs. the run and pass as a 3-4 DE.

82 – Zack DeOssie - OLB - 6'5" 250 pound LB who has great athleticism and would fit perfectly in a 3-4 scheme at OLB. Ran a 4.58 forty and put up 26 reps at the combine. Also ran a below 7 second 60 yard shuttle, which is rare for big guys. Also has some good pedigree.

117 - Laron Harris - NT - 6'3" 345 pound sleeper. Was a big recruit but got a bit lazy at Tenn. Transfered to a small school, picked up his work ethic and is a player who is on the rise. Did a backflip at his workout, which means strong legs, which means he can anchor a defense. Also did 33 reps.

154 – Kevin Boss - TE - Small school TE who has great size, good hands and good blocking ability.

6th – Craig Dahl - S - Great athlete, may develop as a solid backup, but can be a star special teamer right away

7th – Corey Hilliard – OT/OG - We need depth on the line, Hilliard covers both OT and OG.

7th – Mike Mason – KR - Speedy small school WR who can add a dimension to our return game hopefully.

Our brand new 3-4 defense
LE – Ikaika Alama-Francis
RE – Barry Cofield
NT – Laron Harris
ROLB – Mathias Kiwanuka
LOLB – Zack DeOssie
MLB – Antonio Pierce, Gerris Wilkinson
LCB – Corey Webster
RCB – Josh Wilson
FS – Michael Griffin
SS – Gibril Wilson

Offense
QB – Eli Manning
RB (split backfield) – Brandon Jacobs, Antonio Pittman
TE – Jeremy Shockey
WR – Plaxico Burress
WR – Dwayne Bowe
Slot – Sinorice Moss
LT – Guy Whimper
LG – Dave Deihl
OC - Shaun O’hara
RG – Chris Snee
RT – Kareem McKenzie

Number 10
04-03-2007, 05:25 PM
Not even deserving of a response.

bigbluedefense
04-03-2007, 05:27 PM
Once I read trade Osi, I just skipped over the rest, lol.

Giantsfan1080
04-03-2007, 05:28 PM
Once I read trade Osi, I just skipped over the rest, lol.

Same exact thing from me.

scottyboy
04-03-2007, 05:33 PM
thank God you arent the gm

LTgiants
04-03-2007, 05:33 PM
and this is why u will have no future in sports management

ricky bobby
04-03-2007, 05:45 PM
Great, positive reviews all around.

and this is why u will have no future in sports management

Nor do I want one.

bigbluedefense
04-03-2007, 05:49 PM
To salvage the thread, Ricky, give us some insight on why you want guys like DeOssie, Harris, Griffin etc. Break it down.

scottyboy
04-03-2007, 05:52 PM
or why he wants to trade osi, or start DeOssie

ricky bobby
04-03-2007, 06:00 PM
To salvage the thread, Ricky, give us some insight on why you want guys like DeOssie, Harris, Griffin etc. Break it down.

DeOssie - 6'5" 250 pound LB who has great athleticism and would fit perfectly in a 3-4 scheme at OLB. Ran a 4.58 forty and put up 26 reps at the combine. Also ran a below 7 second 60 yard shuttle, which is rare for big guys. Also has some good pedigree.

Harris - 6'3" 345 pound sleeper. Was a big recruit but got a bit lazy at Tenn. Transfered to a small school, picked up his work ethic and is a player who is on the rise. Did a backflip at his workout, which means strong legs, which means he can anchor a defense. Also did 33 reps.

Griffin - 6' 205 pounds. Although Demps is servicable, I like young athletic guys. Griffin had a nice career at Texas and had spectacular workouts. I'd like to see him line up opposite of Wilson and make some plays.

Why I traded Osi. I know the Lions need a DE bad and that kind of value would be great to get. We are stacked at DE and I don't think that Osi would make a great 3-4 OLB, unlike most of you guys. He played one year up around 280, and that is the weight he is most productive at.

scottyboy
04-03-2007, 06:02 PM
ok, yea i know osi wouldnt make a good 3-4 OLB, but one thing, since when are we moving to a 3-4? and if we trade him and put kiwi and OLB, whos playing DE? strahan and tuck? with awasom behind them? scary thoughts

NY+Giants=NYG
04-03-2007, 06:06 PM
Not even deserving of a response.

Hahahahaha

ricky bobby
04-03-2007, 06:11 PM
Hahahahaha

Kind of like Ginn in the first round.

scottyboy
04-03-2007, 06:12 PM
no, ginn in the 1st round makes way more sense(then again, almost everything does) and has a MUCH better shot of happening

ricky bobby
04-03-2007, 06:13 PM
ok, yea i know osi wouldnt make a good 3-4 OLB, but one thing, since when are we moving to a 3-4? and if we trade him and put kiwi and OLB, whos playing DE? strahan and tuck? with awasom behind them? scary thoughts

Did you read a single thing I wrote? Read the disclaimer and look at my final starting lineups. That will answer your two questions. This isn't a mock draft. It's what I would do if I was a crazed, insane, power hungry GM.

NY+Giants=NYG
04-03-2007, 06:19 PM
Kind of like Ginn in the first round.

Better than doing all the stuff you mentioned above. Plus from talking to Ralph V. from the daily news he mentioned that while LB seems to be the obvious answer he thinks may we go WR or CB. And we love those speedy wrs, so I wont be suprised if we draft Ginn if he is there. Now, would I like that? No, I actually want a LB, but i guess it depends on who is on the staircase before we pick.

ricky bobby
04-03-2007, 06:22 PM
I don't understand why Number 10 can make a ridiculous prediction like Ginn in round 1, and then back out of his comment by saying..

"The debate is not what you think Reese will do. The debate is what we would and like I have said before, I hate repeating myself time and time again but I guess I have to for certain people to register something, I don't think Reese will draft Ginn."

Then when I post an entire mock of I would, and he says

"Not even deserving of a response."

I dignified your ridiculous predicition with a response, the least you can do is respond to mine.

Number 10
04-03-2007, 06:24 PM
I don't understand why Number 10 can make a ridiculous prediction like Ginn in round 1, and then back out of his comment by saying..

"The debate is not what you think Reese will do. The debate is what we would and like I have said before, I hate repeating myself time and time again but I guess I have to for certain people to register something, I don't think Reese will draft Ginn."

Then when I post an entire mock of I would, and he says

"Not even deserving of a response."

I dignified your ridiculous predicition with a response, the least you can do is respond to mine.

And even though I have said that taking Ginn is not a prediction like 50 times, it still has not registered in your mind.

That was one of the worst displays of a mock GM I have ever seen.

scottyboy
04-03-2007, 06:26 PM
yea ricky, #10 was just saying who he feels we should draft. He wants Ginn, he voiced his opinion and did back it up with some good points. But this is just awful, and then you took a shot at him with the ginn thing? low and pointless

ricky bobby
04-03-2007, 06:27 PM
And even though I have said that taking Ginn is not a prediction like 50 times, it still has not registered in your mind.

That was one of the worst displays of a mock GM I have ever seen.

Well I discussed why Ginn is a bad option. Could you specifically point out what is wrong with my mock GM.

Number 10
04-03-2007, 06:28 PM
Well I discussed why Ginn is a bad option. Could you specifically point out what is wrong with my mock GM.

You're serious? You really want me to rip that apart? I don't even know if I have the time to because there is so much wrong with it.

ricky bobby
04-03-2007, 06:29 PM
yea ricky, #10 was just saying who he feels we should draft. He wants Ginn, he voiced his opinion and did back it up with some good points. But this is just awful, and then you took a shot at him with the ginn thing? low and pointless

This is how I feel we should draft. I provided reasons for each player. Explain how it's awful. And pardon me for thinking outside the box. If you were the GM, I bet you'd be calling Reese for advice, or Mel Kiper.

ricky bobby
04-03-2007, 06:30 PM
You're serious? You really want me to rip that apart? I don't even know if I have the time to because there is so much wrong with it.

Hey man, I took time trying to pound it into your head why Ginn is a bad option. Shoot.

NY+Giants=NYG
04-03-2007, 06:33 PM
Well I discussed why Ginn is a bad option. Could you specifically point out what is wrong with my mock GM.

Dude it's impossible. Trading Osi, what would be the cap ramifications? Why would the Lions want Osi? What's their motivation for it?

Antonio Pittman? Why? We have Jacobs-Droughns, and now it's going to be a battle between Ward and Grant. Why waste a pick on another RB?

It's not that you attempted being mock GM, but you kinda went off the wall bro.

Why would a team like TB give up picks? What's their motivation? They are a bad team and need all the picks they can get. It makes no sense for them to trade for our pick. If they got more picks it would benefit them.

You're also banking on the fact Whimper is ready to go this season to cover Eli's blind side..

Too many assumptions, and thats one of the reason why I dont do mock drafts because of it. No one ever indicates who is on the board when they make their picks.

scottyboy
04-03-2007, 06:34 PM
if i was GM i wouldnt trade a pro bowler once removed who is also 26 for a 2nd round pick. i also wouldnt randomly switch to a 3-4. Trust me there are so many things wrong with this. I would list them all and fix them but i mite miss house and Rutgers women

ricky bobby
04-03-2007, 06:39 PM
Dude it's impossible. Trading Osi, what would be the cap ramifications? Why would the Lions want Osi? What's their motivation for it?

Antonio Pittman? Why? We have Jacobs-Droughns, and now it's going to be a battle between Ward and Grant. Why waste a pick on another RB?

It's not that you attempted being mock GM, but you kinda went off the wall bro.

Why would a team like TB give up picks? What's their motivation? They are a bad team and need all the picks they can get. It makes no sense for them to trade for our pick. If they got more picks it would benefit them.

You're also banking on the fact Whimper is ready to go this season to cover Eli's blind side..

Too many assumptions, and thats one of the reason why I dont do mock drafts because of it. No one ever indicates who is on the board when they make their picks.

They are looking at Gaines Adams in round 1. This way they can get both a great DE and use their first pick on Joe Thomas

We still need a Scat Back, hence Pittman. Don't give me Ward and Droughns, they are near worthless.

If Tampa doesn't want to trade, another team will.

We will be a running offense with Jacobs and Pittman, we don't need Whimper protecting Eli's blindside on every play.

bigbluedefense
04-03-2007, 06:40 PM
wow this thread got nasty real fast...

ricky bobby
04-03-2007, 06:41 PM
if i was GM i wouldnt trade a pro bowler once removed who is also 26 for a 2nd round pick. i also wouldnt randomly switch to a 3-4. Trust me there are so many things wrong with this. I would list them all and fix them but i mite miss house and Rutgers women

Well teams do switch from 4-3 to 3-4 randomly.

House is a crappy show, don't waste your time lol.

NY+Giants=NYG
04-03-2007, 06:41 PM
They are looking at Gaines Adams in round 1. This way they can get both a great DE and use their first pick on Joe Thomas

We still need a Scat Back, hence Pittman. Don't give me Ward and Droughns, they are near worthless.

If Tampa doesn't want to trade, another team will.

We will be a running offense with Jacobs and Pittman, we don't need Whimper protecting Eli's blindside on every play.

That's the problem, you dont know their worthless. Why do you think their worthless without seeing them play?

LOL. I doubt a team would but hey if you can get someone than so be it.

scottyboy
04-03-2007, 06:42 PM
i blame myself and anyone else who posted in this thread to make it continue

ricky bobby
04-03-2007, 06:42 PM
wow this thread got nasty real fast...

Yeah, GM mocking is a tough business. It's not for the weak.

Number 10
04-03-2007, 06:43 PM
Hey man, I took time trying to pound it into your head why Ginn is a bad option. Shoot.


-First of all, you did not give the salary cap one damn thought. Releasing Madison, RW, Joseph, and trading Osi would give us a net loss of close to $4 million. (AKA counter productive).

-Ok, you approach our weakest unit of the team and take away our two best players!! RW and Madison are unspectacular, yes, but they are currently the two best CBs we have right now and are being payed pretty cheaply. Absolutely no reason to cut them whatsoever.

-Trade Osi!?! Trade Osi?!?! We just signed him to a long extension and you want to trade him??!?! Our best DE!?!? What a joke. This guy has a monster career ahead of him and giving him up would be a terrible, terrible idea. Kiwanuka will be a player, but once Strahan is gone, what do we do? Rely on Tuck who was injury riddled when he ENTERED the NFL let alone what just happened? Ugh.

-Plus, this draft is not a strong one and trading for all these picks is stupid. I can understand trading down from #20, but trading Osi for a 2nd and 3rd is just awful.

-Pittman is a bad idea. We have our rushing attack and if it does not work, we'll go with a RB next year. Pittman would be stuck with Ward on the bottom of the depth chart and on the practice field. Waste of a pick, a RB should not be selected before round 5 IMO.

-Francis could be selected, as a blocking TE which the Giants have been working him out as.

-DeOssie would not disappoint me, but he is not a 3-4 OLB. He would be on the inside in a 3-4. And this whole 3-4 thing is a joke as well because you don't change the scheme of a defense like that in one year with the players we have on our payroll. The name Michael Strahan ring a bell? Fred Robbins just had a career year and you respond with a, "Take a seat next to #92 on the bench because we want to have FIVE, FIVE, yes FIVE rookies start on defense".

-You usually do not draft a player with the intent of them starting right away. Every now and then you will have a scenario where a rookie will start, but 5 on one side of the ball? Ugh.

-I could go on but I have some work that needs to get done. Bad job.

ricky bobby
04-03-2007, 06:44 PM
That's the problem, you dont know their worthless. Why do you think their worthless without seeing them play?

LOL. I doubt a team would but hey if you can get someone than so be it.

Droughns had plenty of chances, he isn't exactly young. Same goes for Ward. There are both mediocre at best.

And teams do trade up and down.

ricky bobby
04-03-2007, 06:48 PM
-First of all, you did not give the salary cap one damn thought. Releasing Madison, RW, Joseph, and trading Osi would give us a net loss of close to $4 million. (AKA counter productive).

-Ok, you approach our weakest unit of the team and take away our two best players!! RW and Madison are unspectacular, yes, but they are currently the two best CBs we have right now and are being payed pretty cheaply. Absolutely no reason to cut them whatsoever.

-Trade Osi!?! Trade Osi?!?! We just signed him to a long extension and you want to trade him??!?! Our best DE!?!? What a joke. This guy has a monster career ahead of him and giving him up would be a terrible, terrible idea. Kiwanuka will be a player, but once Strahan is gone, what do we do? Rely on Tuck who was injury riddled when he ENTERED the NFL let alone what just happened? Ugh.

-Plus, this draft is not a strong one and trading for all these picks is stupid. I can understand trading down from #20, but trading Osi for a 2nd and 3rd is just awful.

-Pittman is a bad idea. We have our rushing attack and if it does not work, we'll go with a RB next year. Pittman would be stuck with Ward on the bottom of the depth chart and on the practice field. Waste of a pick, a RB should not be selected before round 5 IMO.

-Francis could be selected, as a blocking TE which the Giants have been working him out as.

-DeOssie would not disappoint me, but he is not a 3-4 OLB. He would be on the inside in a 3-4. And this whole 3-4 thing is a joke as well because you don't change the scheme of a defense like that in one year with the players we have on our payroll. The name Michael Strahan ring a bell? Fred Robbins just had a career year and you respond with a, "Take a seat next to #92 on the bench because we want to have FIVE, FIVE, yes FIVE rookies start on defense".

-You usually do not draft a player with the intent of them starting right away. Every now and then you will have a scenario where a rookie will start, but 5 on one side of the ball? Ugh.

-I could go on but I have some work that needs to get done. Bad job.

- We'll restructure some contracts.

- We don't need a couple of old farts on our roster. We take Josh Wilson start him and get Underwood, and Dockery to compete.

- Osi doesn't fit in a 3-4 IMO. They are very high 2 and 3 round picks

- Pittman is the scat back we need.

- Francis can be a solid 3-4 DE.

- I'll hire Strahan as D-line coach, and DeOssie will start.

- Five rooks starting is no problem. I don't care if we go 2-14, we're in a rebuilding mode.

NY+Giants=NYG
04-03-2007, 06:48 PM
Droughns had plenty of chances, he isn't exactly young. Same goes for Ward. There are both mediocre at best.

And teams do trade up and down.

Plenty of chances? When? We just got him this year. Why dont we see how he does before calling him worthless. Same with Ward OR Grant.

And yeah i am aware of teams trading up and down, but you make it sound video game like, it's that easy. But than again this is why I feel all mock draft stuff is worthless.

Number 10
04-03-2007, 06:51 PM
I'm done ricky, you have further proved you know next to nothing about building a team. Peace.

ricky bobby
04-03-2007, 07:04 PM
I'm done ricky, you have further proved you know next to nothing about building a team. Peace.

Well this discussion was short. You aren't going to retort? I argued for an entire page with you about just one player.

ricky bobby
04-03-2007, 07:29 PM
Why don't you guys make your own. Imagine you have complete control of the Giant's franchise. Lorenzin at FB? Kiwanuka at SLB? Sinorice Moss at DT? Whatever floats your boat. Let your imaginations run wild. I'd like to see what some of you guys would do, except for you Number 10, who doesn't know how to think outside the box (I'm just messing. I kid because I care)

GiantRutgersFan
04-03-2007, 09:46 PM
Jesus man...

Lets just let this die.


Idk what to say. this was the worst post I have ever read on the Giants forum.


trade Osi? cut our 2 best CBs? Bench Strahan?

what?


Just let it die brother.

Damix
04-03-2007, 10:05 PM
Get off his case, everyone has opinions, some you have posted ******** things aswell. If he wants to continue to make mock offseasons and whatnot then let him. You guys are the ones being stupid not him.

ricky bobby
04-04-2007, 10:37 AM
We have a guy who wants to draft another Sinorice Moss.
We have a guy who wants to draft another Defensive End.
We have a guy who wants to trade Justin Tuck.
We have guys who want to draft Reggie Nelson.
We have guys arguing over Yankees and Mets threads in the Giants forum.

Why can't I post what I want? My post are no more absurd than yours.

Damix
04-04-2007, 01:36 PM
I agreed with you =(