Betts or Turner

[Yung Flippa]

Ladell Betts of the Redskins and Michael Turner of the Chargers (for now) are maybe the two biggest names for back-up runers. If the two players were both feature backs who do you think would have the better stats?

IMO I think it would be Michael Turner. He averaged 6 yards a carry last year.

[Boston]

Betts is overrated, so Turner.

[toonsterwu]

Actually, I think Betts is underrated by many, including Redskins fans. That being said, Betts has the higher floor, but Turner has the bigger upside, so the nod is to Turner in the poll.

[OSUGiants17]

We have already seen what Betts can do as a starter so I think he would be a better featured back.
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[bored of education]

I'd want Betts.

Bett's first 10 games last season he compiled:
1. 8 atts. 22 yds, 3 rec. 31 yds.
2. 11 atts. 40 yds, 7 rec. 57 yds
3. 16 atts. 124 yds, 3 rec. 27 yds
4. 11 atts. 37 yds
5. 1 att
6. 2 att
7. 10 atts. 52 yds, 5 rec. 41 yards
8. 3 atts.
9. 20 atts. 83 yds,
10. 7 atts. 18 yds.

Not good at all, but decent for a number 2 running back. Then he took over. This is what he compiled the last 6 games.

104, 155, 171, 119, 129, 92. with approx 200 receiving yards.



Betts.

I like Turner, but I don't know hod he would do carrying the load. Betts proved he can, even on a ****** team

[asmitty45]

I love betts, he's been nothing but reliable when he was asked to carry the load. I like turner too but betts has more clout right now IMO

[Big Mike]

I would say Betts because he has been seen more by me and he always produces great #s when portis is injured

[toonsterwu]

It's funny how so many redskins fans aren't big fans of Betts. I've been on other boards where Skins fans themselves trash Betts. I think Betts is one of the main reasons why Skins fans can have some hope for 2007-2008. Simply put, this time, if POrtis goes down, you know Betts can produce. And a healthy Portis gets additional rest now with Betts there, and it protects Jason Campbell.

[skinzzfan25]

I'd take Betts any day. He hits the hole extremely fast and has great burst speed. He's nothing more than a solid backup though, and I think part of the reason that he ran so well is that our line was making the biggest holes ever. Betts is a nice complementary back to Portis, Turner just seems to pickup LT's scraps when hes taking a breather.

The only problems that I had with Betts was that he did not seem to find the endzone often (I think he only had like two or three TDs). He also has a fumble problem which costs us the St Louis game, but that can be fixed.

[duckseason]

We have already seen what Betts can do as a starter so I think he would be a better featured back.
How does that make any sense? That's like saying that your girlfriend gives the best head because you've seen her perform, but little did you know that the girl you saw over at Baskin Robbins the other day "practicing" on a ice cream cone can actually do better. You've gotta base your opinion on something more meaningful than whether or not you've seen the guy in a feature role.

[Big Mike]

How does that make any sense? That's like saying that your girlfriend gives the best head because you've seen her perform, but little did you know that the girl you saw over at Baskin Robbins the other day "practicing" on a ice cream cone can actually do better. You've gotta base your opinion on something more meaningful than whether or not you've seen the guy in a feature role.

LMAO, i love your analogies

[bearsfan_51]

Ladell Betts will never be a fulltime starter.

[Athrun340]

Betts over turner anytime .. i've seen the guy play

redskins sucked last year that was why nobody paid attention to him unlike the chargers and turner

[jsagan77]

Ladell Betts will never be a fulltime starter.

Thats funny because neither with Cedric Benson...lol

[niel89]

turner. he is a good back and i think he will shine when he gets a feature role.

[etk]

Well stats don't mean everything....

I would want Turner on my team and he would be a more effective player imo, but Betts has proven that he can be a workhorse and rack up a lot of yardage, so it would definitely be close stats-wise.

[El$anDollah]

The reason why Turners YPC were so high was because the best RB in the NFL tired the defense out.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Turner gets the hype Ladell is the better back, everyone knows I am the biggest Betts hater but most of it is because I love Portis and a little because our line was very underrated last year and was top 5 but Betts is an excellent receiving back he had 53 catches for 445 yards last year, also while Turner's 6.3 ypc is impressive a lot of it was on garbage yards on throwing downs and when the defense was winded from trying to get LT. He only had 80 carries. I'd take Betts 4.7 ypc on 245 carries more than 3 times as many carries as Turner who had a 6.3 ypc average.

[princefielder28]

I like Turner's potential alot more than Ladell Betts; Betts just doesn't seem to be the guy that can be consistent through the years

[bearsfan_51]

Thats funny because neither with Cedric Benson...lol

How do you figure? Pretty sure that he'll be the fulltime starter next year.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I understand why the Broncos wanted Betts when the possible Dre Bly trade was being discussed because with his downhill style of running Ladell Betts would get 1,500+ yards on the Broncos.

[RaiderNation]

turner. 6ypc says it all

[SeanTaylorRIP]

turner. 6ypc says it all

on 80 carries, Betts had 4.7 on 245 carries if you want to go by stats and YAC, Betts average is 10x more impressive

[Acreboy]

I just like Turner. I thought he was very underrated and being behind LT doesn't help...

[mil_brew_fan]

I think Ladell Betts has shown that he can pile some stats over the course of a season. As for Michael Turner, he hasn't really shown that he can take a beating through a whole game, much less throughout a whole season.

[mil_brew_fan]

turner. 6ypc says it all

Well, when you have Lorenzo Neal blocking for you, that helps just a bit.

[JK17]

I love MT as a Charger fan, and think he will be better, but if we are talking right now, I would have to quote all the people I argue with and say Turner is not proven enough to be regarded as better than Betts right here. Now, I think and believe that Turner will be better, and has a much higher potential for stardom than betts, but Betts has proven he can be a starter, whereas Turner has given every indication he has the ability to be a full-time starter, but has not actaully proven it.

[bored of education]

This maybe a stretch, but Betts reminds me of a poor mans Terrel Davis.

[jsagan77]

How do you figure? Pretty sure that he'll be the fulltime starter next year.

He will, until he gets hurt that is. Your team made a big mistake by letting Jones go IMO because Benson hasn't proven that he could do anything accept play a back up roll.

[bearsfan_51]

He will, until he gets hurt that is. Your team made a big mistake by letting Jones go IMO because Benson hasn't proven that he could do anything accept play a back up roll.

How is he going to prove that if we have Jones still here? Did the Redskins make a mistake in benching Mark Brunell because Campbell hadn't proven anything yet?

[sweetness34]

He will, until he gets hurt that is. Your team made a big mistake by letting Jones go IMO because Benson hasn't proven that he could do anything accept play a back up roll.

He's never been given the chance to prove anything except for one game last year against San Francisco, and he actually did pretty well.

Cedric IMO will be a better runner in this system and put up better numbers. TJ was a great back for us, but Ced fits the running system better with his downhill/physical style.

[etk]

Can all the Turner haters come up with a better excuse than "he ran on tired defenses" and "he had a good OLine"? It seems like you guys are great at taking away his acheivements, but I haven't seen anyone who is able to tell me that he doesn't have great skills. If you are going to say he won't be a successful starter, you have to come up with excuses that Turner himself can control. Why won't he have success, what are his negative attributes?

[bored of education]

I'm not a Turner hater. He just hasn't impressed me as much as Betts did in those last 6 full games. Proving he can carry the load a full season esp. with his running style etc.

[jsagan77]

How is he going to prove that if we have Jones still here? Did the Redskins make a mistake in benching Mark Brunell because Campbell hadn't proven anything yet?

Thats different. Brunell sucked, Jones on the other hand didn't. I don't think that Benson will be half the back that Jones was but that is just my opinion. Look at the bright side you guys will probably win the division.

[flave1969]

My only knock on Ladell is his propensity to fumble at crucial times. It has cost us big time especially last year. A fumbling problem can be cured as Tiki showed so lets hope he works on it. Betts was an effective receiver out of the backfield last year.

Last year was the first season that Betts had remained healthy and look what he did.

As for Turner, he looks really talented but we have to see what he can do as a starter before we compare.

[Modano]

How does that make any sense? That's like saying that your girlfriend gives the best head because you've seen her perform, but little did you know that the girl you saw over at Baskin Robbins the other day "practicing" on a ice cream cone can actually do better. You've gotta base your opinion on something more meaningful than whether or not you've seen the guy in a feature role.

AHAHAH! Amazing! We miss you in the cowboys board!

[myinnerself]

Man, if you guys saw Turner as much as I did, you guys would be drooling over the guy and there would be no debate here. All you people say that his ypc are deceiving, he averages 6 ypc IN HIS CAREER, not just last year. Also, he doesn't just run in the 4th quarter, its just not true. I can't remember the last time I saw him stuffed at the line, he just always gets yards. He can do it all and I guarantee he gets 1250 or more yards in his first year as a full time starter. The guy is a flat out beast.

[niel89]

TURNER

CAT G Att Yds Avg Lg TD 1st
1ST QUARTER 0 10 78 7.8 25 0 5
2ND QUARTER 0 16 81 5.1 22 0 3
3RD QUARTER 0 19 97 5.1 21 0 6
4TH QUARTER 0 35 246 7.0 73 2 10
4th WITHIN 7 0 17 92 5.4 23 0 5
OVERTIME 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0

while i agree he hasnt put up a full seasons worth of stats he still has over a 5.0 avg when the D is still fresh

[TheChampIsHere]

Betts is a great backup and has proven he can be very productive in a starting role. However, his ceiling is not that high. Hes good but would never be great. Turner looks incredibly dominant when he runs and with his combo of size and speed and his ability to break tackles he could be a legit star. However, hes been doing what hes doing in a backup role and against defenses tired out from defending the best HB in the league. He needs to prove he can do it in a starting role.

[JK17]

TURNER

CAT G Att Yds Avg Lg TD 1st
1ST QUARTER 0 10 78 7.8 25 0 5
2ND QUARTER 0 16 81 5.1 22 0 3
3RD QUARTER 0 19 97 5.1 21 0 6
4TH QUARTER 0 35 246 7.0 73 2 10
4th WITHIN 7 0 17 92 5.4 23 0 5
OVERTIME 0 0 0 --- 0 0 0

while i agree he hasnt put up a full seasons worth of stats he still has over a 5.0 avg when the D is still fresh

What about in the first quarter? did you include those in the 5.0 avg, because when you include that it still comes out to over six.

[Man_Of_Steel]

Turner by a mile, he reminds me a bit of when Duce Staley was in Philly.

[niel89]

What about in the first quarter? did you include those in the 5.0 avg, because when you include that it still comes out to over six.

i was just using 5 as a good number. he has good numbers against defenses that arent tired yet.

[JK17]

i was just using 5 as a good number. he has good numbers against defenses that arent tired yet.

Oh wow, i totally took that the wrong way, i thought you were saying five as being significantly less than six, meanging he wasn't performing as well. haha my bad.

[niel89]

Oh wow, i totally took that the wrong way, i thought you were saying five as being significantly less than six, meanging he wasn't performing as well. haha my bad.

no way, i really like his potential.

[JK17]

no way, i really like his potential.

haha i do too, i can't believe i read that post so backwards.

[neko4]

Well, when you have Lorenzo Neal blocking for you, that helps just a bit.

Glad someone brought this up. Right now Betts, he has proven he can start and be productive. We havent actually seen Turner start, because LT never gets hurt. Also, to keep in mind players always seem better off the bench.

[21ST]

My only knock on Ladell is his propensity to fumble at crucial times. It has cost us big time especially last year. A fumbling problem can be cured as Tiki showed so lets hope he works on it. Betts was an effective receiver out of the backfield last year.

Last year was the first season that Betts had remained healthy and look what he did.

As for Turner, he looks really talented but we have to see what he can do as a starter before we compare.

Man aint that the truth. That is my biggest knock on him also. We have lost 3 or 4 games the past 2 years just because betts fumbled the game away.

[WildDude]

Turner by a mile! i want him so bad on the jets he dominated in northern illinois

[Go_Eagles77]

I hate to say it but Betts tore up the eagles run defense last year. More so than Portis.

[neko4]

Turner by a mile! i want him so bad on the jets he dominated in northern illinois

Garrett Wolfe is N. Illinois all-time leading rusher, want him too?

[locseti]

Easily Turner, Betts doesen't have the potential Turner does. I think Betts is overrated and is the type to fumble in crunch time. Redskins paid way too much.

[portermvp84]

I'm taking Turner, Betts has been in the league a couple of years now and hasn't proved very much. Although he is a good change a pace back. I would take Turner he is younger more duraible and could easily be a starter.

[flave1969]

I'm taking Turner, Betts has been in the league a couple of years now and hasn't proved very much. Although he is a good change a pace back. I would take Turner he is younger more duraible and could easily be a starter.


Sorry but he proved four things last year.

1. He could stay healthy
2. He could carry the load
3. Maintain a good YPC average over significant amount of carries
4. He was a viable threat receiving out of the backfield

What remains to be proved is can he work on his weaknesses a la Tiki Barber and cure his problem holding onto the ball.

For all of Turner's vast potential he has not been in that position yet as a starter. When he starts I am sure Turner will show he is the real deal and be a major star.

But in my own teams situation I like the combination of Betts and Portis. for the Jets and all the other teams interested however jump on Turner.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Easily Turner, Betts doesen't have the potential Turner does. I think Betts is overrated and is the type to fumble in crunch time. Redskins paid way too much.

Don't speak about things you don't know about. To say that the Skins payed too much for Ladell Betts is the biggest joke I have ever heard. He signed a 5 year contract extension worth a maximum of 11 million dollars with only 5.5 mil guaranteed. That's 2 mil a year for 5 years for a young guy who just rushed for over 1,000 yards in 9 starts. That is a joke if you think 2 mil a year is overpaying a back like Betts, 3rd string Centers get paid more. I hate when people talk about the skins when they don't know the facts just assuming we overpaid him when really 5 years 11 million is dirt money in the NFL.

[portermvp84]

Sorry but he proved four things last year.

1. He could stay healthy
2. He could carry the load
3. Maintain a good YPC average over significant amount of carries
4. He was a viable threat receiving out of the backfield

What remains to be proved is can he work on his weaknesses a la Tiki Barber and cure his problem holding onto the ball.

For all of Turner's vast potential he has not been in that position yet as a starter. When he starts I am sure Turner will show he is the real deal and be a major star.

But in my own teams situation I like the combination of Betts and Portis. for the Jets and all the other teams interested however jump on Turner.


Here's a question for you then, why don't the Redskins release Portis and start Betts if he's so great?

[skinzzfan25]

Here's a question for you then, why don't the Redskins release Portis and start Betts if he's so great?

Betts is merely a backup. Portis is a top 5 caliber running back.

That's why.

[BuffaloDraftGeek]

Whoever has the better line...

[flave1969]

Here's a question for you then, why don't the Redskins release Portis and start Betts if he's so great?

Because Clinton Portis has rushed for 6400 plus yards and 65 TD's in 5 years and is a better running back.

I throw it back at you why dont the Chargers release LT if Turner is so good. Its a dumb question.

Fact is Betts has done things that Turner has yet too do. If you read my posts I have said that Turner has all the potential in the world and I believe he is more talented but what has he proved, or should I say been allowed to prove. The answer is nothing.

Right now it is all speculation he has just 157 career carries and 7 receptions in 43 games, that averages less than 4 touches a game. I'm not doubting the talent, I am speculating what he will do when he has to carry 250-300 times a year.

Before last year we said the same things about Betts, he stepped up in almost every way. I think Turner will do the same and more but until he does we don't know.

[The Unseen]

Turner tha burner

[ChewyRaven318]

Turner might be overrated when it's all said and done, but Betts filled in admirably for Portis. Portis's biggest question mark at this point of his career is his durability. That's the only reason Portis would be worth getting rid of. If he remains healthy, he'll have a great season. If not, wtf is the point of having him?

[HoopsDemon12]

Well, when you have Lorenzo Neal blocking for you, that helps just a bit.

ya im pretty sure behind neal even i could get around 5 yards per carry.... although i did pick turner.....AND THERE GOES THE BURNER BYE BYE MICHEAL TURNER....COLTS ARE NOT GONAN BE UNDEFEATED!! haha love it!!

[umphrey]

I'd take Turner but he's overrated. They both are, and I wouldn't want either as my feature back. Good backups though, I like Turner in a RBBC and Betts as a #2/3rd down back.