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07-07-2006, 01:21 PM
I am going with Indianapolis because I think their defense is still a little shaky, and are they going to run the ball as much without Edge?

MOD EDIT - because Simms said he had problems, i added addtional options to the poll (miami and cinci, since they seemed to be getting the most support). - nj

njx9
07-07-2006, 01:22 PM
indy, cincy... add some options to your poll.

Moses
07-07-2006, 01:23 PM
Indianapolis is in trouble unless Addai plays amazing and the defence steps up big time.

07-07-2006, 01:24 PM
The dolphins, they are an 8-8 team and people think they can overthrow the Pats LOL.

07-07-2006, 01:25 PM
MIAMI DOLPHINS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Shiver
07-07-2006, 01:25 PM
Marvin Harrison is on the decline. Defense is worst than last year's overrated unit. No Edgerrin James. No major improvement, unless you consider a Kicker as the savior of the team. :roll: Colts won't make the playoffs.

07-07-2006, 01:26 PM
Marvin Harrison is on the decline. Defense is worst than last year's overrated unit. No Edgerrin James. No major improvement, unless you consider a Kicker as the savior of the team. :roll: Colts won't make the playoffs.

lol that is freaking hilarious, won't make the playoffs? hahahahaha yeah, ok. I agree they are overrated and Jacksonville could very easily dethrone them but missing the playoffs is laughable.

07-07-2006, 01:29 PM
Marvin Harrison is on the decline. Defense is worst than last year's overrated unit. No Edgerrin James. No major improvement, unless you consider a Kicker as the savior of the team. :roll: Colts won't make the playoffs.

If you play the Texans and Titans 2 times a year and your team is decent, i doubt you would miss the playoffs. They still will atleast not only get a wild carb but probly around 10-11 wins.

Smooth Criminal
07-07-2006, 01:50 PM
I think the Dolphins and Colts are overrated.

Depending on who you talk to, the Pats are underrated by some. Anyone who thinks Miami will beat the Pats is overrating the Dolphins.

HawkeyeFan
07-07-2006, 01:51 PM
Definately New England.

cunningham06
07-07-2006, 01:54 PM
New England for sure.

Shiver
07-07-2006, 02:28 PM
Marvin Harrison is on the decline. Defense is worst than last year's overrated unit. No Edgerrin James. No major improvement, unless you consider a Kicker as the savior of the team. :roll: Colts won't make the playoffs.

lol that is freaking hilarious, won't make the playoffs? hahahahaha yeah, ok. I agree they are overrated and Jacksonville could very easily dethrone them but missing the playoffs is laughable.


They're team screams 8-8.

Don Vito
07-07-2006, 02:44 PM
Definately New England.

New England for sure.

LOL the Rams and Eagles fans call the Patriots overrated.

SuperMcGee
07-07-2006, 02:45 PM
Miami should definitely be on that poll
If there's one place that i show my homerism, its in calling Miami overrated :P

The Unseen
07-07-2006, 02:49 PM
Miami.

Paranoidmoonduck
07-07-2006, 03:21 PM
I don't neccesarily think the Pats are overrated, but I don't think people realize how much of decline that team is headed for. Maybe not this year, but soon.

portermvp84
07-07-2006, 03:25 PM
The Colts i think their time is up. They had their chance last year and nobody knew how to stop them on offense. Now everybody knows how to stop them. They will still win their division. They've also lost some keys players on both sides of the ball. It will be intersting how they do this season.

Dam8610
07-07-2006, 04:01 PM
Marvin Harrison is on the decline. Defense is worst than last year's overrated unit. No Edgerrin James. No major improvement, unless you consider a Kicker as the savior of the team. :roll: Colts won't make the playoffs.

lol that is freaking hilarious, won't make the playoffs? hahahahaha yeah, ok. I agree they are overrated and Jacksonville could very easily dethrone them but missing the playoffs is laughable.


They're team screams 8-8.

What about the Colts screams 8-8? Do you really think Edge is worth 6 games? That's pretty much what you just said. How'd Thurman Thomas work out for Buffalo? I think he was a pretty solid RB. But wait, how could someone that was drafted in the late 1st/early 2nd range be a good starting RB for a team? How could anyone have known that Edgerrin James would be a better choice in both the short and long term than Ricky Williams? Maybe there's something to be said for a talent evaluator with an eye for RB talent. Also, I like how the Colts' defense is "overrated" despite having the 2nd best scoring defense in the NFL last year. Maybe that's why people think they're good? Who knows. :roll: Then I suppose you think the Colts' passing offense is just going to disappear entirely? That makes sense since they've had 2 1000+ yard WRs 2 years running, scored 82 passing TDs in the last 2 years, and a lot of teams played 8 man coverages for most of the game against the Colts in the first half of the season out of fear of the passing game. But you're right, a kicker is the Colts' only hope to not go 8-8. :roll:

07-07-2006, 04:04 PM
Marvin Harrison is on the decline. Defense is worst than last year's overrated unit. No Edgerrin James. No major improvement, unless you consider a Kicker as the savior of the team. :roll: Colts won't make the playoffs.

If you play the Texans and Titans 2 times a year and your team is decent, i doubt you would miss the playoffs. They still will atleast not only get a wild carb but probly around 10-11 wins.

Texans are a legit team now. I really think Mario will make an impact.

That ZBS does wonders for an offense. HOU's offense will be like ATL with a better QB and WRs.

draftguru151
07-07-2006, 04:04 PM
I think the Steelers are overrated. If Carson is healthy, I think the Bengals take the division and the Steelers miss the playoffs.

Colts easily make the playoffs.

EHobbs27
07-07-2006, 04:20 PM
I think that the most overrated team is the Colts. I also think that the Dolphins and the Bengals are overrated.

draftguru151
07-07-2006, 04:54 PM
I think that the most overrated team is the Colts. I also think that the Dolphins and the Bengals are overrated.

:evil: You would.

07-07-2006, 04:55 PM
colts wont win 10 games this yr

draftguru151
07-07-2006, 04:58 PM
colts wont win 10 games this yr

Any particular reason?

Shiver
07-07-2006, 05:03 PM
What about the Colts screams 8-8? Do you really think Edge is worth 6 games? That's pretty much what you just said. How'd Thurman Thomas work out for Buffalo? I think he was a pretty solid RB. But wait, how could someone that was drafted in the late 1st/early 2nd range be a good starting RB for a team? How could anyone have known that Edgerrin James would be a better choice in both the short and long term than Ricky Williams? Maybe there's something to be said for a talent evaluator with an eye for RB talent. Also, I like how the Colts' defense is "overrated" despite having the 2nd best scoring defense in the NFL last year. Maybe that's why people think they're good? Who knows. :roll: Then I suppose you think the Colts' passing offense is just going to disappear entirely? That makes sense since they've had 2 1000+ yard WRs 2 years running, scored 82 passing TDs in the last 2 years, and a lot of teams played 8 man coverages for most of the game against the Colts in the first half of the season out of fear of the passing game. But you're right, a kicker is the Colts' only hope to not go 8-8. :roll:


2nd best scoring defense. :lol: When they played good offenses, they were terrible. Worse, they lost Tripplett and June. Their defensive rank was padded by raping inferior opponents.

Last year, the Colts coasted off the easiest first half schedule in years. They were not as good as the media portrayed them. It showed when they faced real teams. This year, they won't have the cupcake schedule, or Edgerrin James.

draftguru151
07-07-2006, 05:07 PM
Tripplett wasn't a starter and not as important as most think, and they lost Thornton not June. I am worried about that though, but they alwasy find a replacement.

Shiver
07-07-2006, 05:18 PM
and they lost Thornton not June.

Ah, my bad.


My formula;


Loss of Edge = 2 Losses
Tougher Schedule = 4 Losses

Texico From Mexico
07-07-2006, 05:20 PM
Pats = Overrated

duckseason
07-07-2006, 05:20 PM
Pittsburgh.
Everybody thinks they are going back to the Super Bowl this year.

draftguru151
07-07-2006, 05:24 PM
Pats = Overrated

Something we can agree on :lol:

Immaculate Tackle
07-07-2006, 05:47 PM
Pittsburgh.
Everybody thinks they are going back to the Super Bowl this year.
Aren't you the guy who says the Browns will have a better record than Pittsburgh this year (this was even before R's crash)? :lol: :roll:

duckseason
07-07-2006, 05:52 PM
Pittsburgh.
Everybody thinks they are going back to the Super Bowl this year.
Aren't you the guy who says the Browns will have a better record than Pittsburgh this year (this was even before R's crash)? :lol: :roll:

Yessir. My official bold prediction for '06 is that the Browns will pass the Steelers this year. There is a very fine line between winning/losing in this league. I think the Browns will be this years Bears. I may be a year early on this though. I'll let you know when I come up with another bold prediction so you can laugh at me some more. :P

MossRandleElLloyd
07-07-2006, 05:52 PM
myammy dolfinz.

07-07-2006, 05:53 PM
and they lost Thornton not June.

Ah, my bad.


My formula;


Loss of Edge = 2 Losses
Tougher Schedule = 4 Losses

Reading your post in the past few days you think everyone is overrated except Michael Vick(All World Passing Abilities??? hahaha) and the Atlanta Falcons.

duckseason
07-07-2006, 05:53 PM
myammy dolfinz.


= Legitimate Super Bowl contenders, and likely AFC East Champs.

07-07-2006, 05:55 PM
myammy dolfinz.


= Legitimate Super Bowl contenders, and likely AFC East Champs.

lol yeah,ok


some people are in for a very rude awakening this upcoming season.

Dam8610
07-07-2006, 05:57 PM
2nd best scoring defense.

That's a fact.

When they played good offenses, they were terrible.

Right, like when they held 2 of the Top 12 scoring offenses in the league to 3 and 7 points.

Worse, they lost Tripplett and June.

:lol: This proves how little you know about the Colts. Cato June, Pro Bowl WLB, is still very much a member of the Colts. David Thornton, mediocre SLB, is now a Titan. Thornton was arguably the worst LB of the Colts' starting LB corps.

Oh, and NOT THE BACKUP DT! ANYTHING BUT THE BACKUP DT! Why oh why did the Colts elect to keep Raheem Brock, starting DE, and Robert Mathis, pass rush specialist extraordinaire, over THE BACKUP DT! I wonder if it had anything to do with Corey Simon and Montae Reagor...

Their defensive rank was padded by raping inferior opponents.

You do realize you just called the Super Bowl Champions inferior, right? Just thought I'd point that out.

Last year, the Colts coasted off the easiest first half schedule in years. They were not as good as the media portrayed them. It showed when they faced real teams. This year, they won't have the cupcake schedule, or Edgerrin James.

You've shown me exactly how ignorant of the Colts you are with this post, and therefore I can't blame you for saying that the team screams 8-8, because you haven't even looked at the team, so you must be saying that without any knowledge of a team, its personnel, or its schedule, that you'd guess they'd go 8-8, which isn't really all that bad. Anyone who knows anything about any of the aforementioned things would know better than that though.

07-07-2006, 06:03 PM
This proves how little you know about the Colts. Cato June, Pro Bowl WLB, is still very much a member of the Colts. David Thornton, mediocre SLB, is now a Titan. Thornton was arguably the worst LB of the Colts' starting LB corps.

Actually that isn't even arguable. Thornton was easily the worst of the linebackers in Indy. What is arguable is who is the best bc Brackett is a beast and I think June is overrated.

duckseason
07-07-2006, 06:04 PM
myammy dolfinz.


= Legitimate Super Bowl contenders, and likely AFC East Champs.

lol yeah,ok


some people are in for a very rude awakening this upcoming season.

I'm no clairvoyant, but I do have the foresight to see what's coming from this team. Most knowledgeable fans will agree with me. This team definitely has SB potential. Have you not been paying attention to what's been happening since Saban's arrival? Of course, things can go wrong for any team (like injuries), but barring any serious derailment from their current course, I see this team headed upwards on a very steep incline.

07-07-2006, 06:06 PM
They have superbowl potential in their future no doubt about it but to say they are superbowl contenders this season is laughable.

duckseason
07-07-2006, 06:08 PM
They have superbowl potential in their future no doubt about it but to say they are superbowl contenders this season is laughable.

Just like people would have laughed at you if you said Chicago were a contender at this time last year. Difference is, Miami actually looks the part right now.

draftguru151
07-07-2006, 06:08 PM
myammy dolfinz.


= Legitimate Super Bowl contenders, and likely AFC East Champs.

lol yeah,ok


some people are in for a very rude awakening this upcoming season.

Like you. What is wrong with the Dolphins.

Dam8610
07-07-2006, 06:11 PM
Tougher Schedule = 4 Losses

The Colts had the 27th toughest schedule last year. The Colts have the 27th toughest schedule this year. I sure like your logic. Remember that the top tier teams have seemingly "easier" schedules simply because they are so good. Putting 14-2 on your schedule toughens it up more than say putting 10-6 on your schedule.

07-07-2006, 06:11 PM
Youth and Depth are missing. It's the cliche pick for darkhorse superbowl contender and thats the only reason people want to jump on their nuts. They'll never beat New England for the East crown this year and you can take that to the bank.

Texico From Mexico
07-07-2006, 06:11 PM
The Steelers should be the favs until proven otherwise.

Dam8610
07-07-2006, 06:13 PM
This proves how little you know about the Colts. Cato June, Pro Bowl WLB, is still very much a member of the Colts. David Thornton, mediocre SLB, is now a Titan. Thornton was arguably the worst LB of the Colts' starting LB corps.

Actually that isn't even arguable. Thornton was easily the worst of the linebackers in Indy. What is arguable is who is the best bc Brackett is a beast and I think June is overrated.

I was trying to be nice to Thornton. He was playing out of position and he was a pretty good WLB when the Colts had him there.

draftguru151
07-07-2006, 06:15 PM
The Steelers should be the favs until proven otherwise.

Were you suspeneded? What for?

And Race, that is the best you have, youth and depth, both of which we have at most positions.

07-07-2006, 06:16 PM
The Steelers should be the favs until proven otherwise.

Were you suspeneded? What for?

And Race, that is the best you have, youth and depth, both of which we have at most positions.

My bad I wrote that wrong. Youth(as in not a good thing, they're too young) and not enough depth.

duckseason
07-07-2006, 06:19 PM
Youth and Depth are missing. It's the cliche pick for darkhorse superbowl contender and thats the only reason people want to jump on their nuts. They'll never beat New England for the East crown this year and you can take that to the bank.

I'm a very intelligent individual who forms his own opinions. I'm not aware of Miami being the "cliche pick". Seems to me that most people are picking the Steelers. It may be cliche among people who actually know what they are talking about, but that's to be expected. I never jump on any teams nuts for any reason. I just see things for what they are.

draftguru151
07-07-2006, 06:21 PM
The Steelers should be the favs until proven otherwise.

Were you suspeneded? What for?

And Race, that is the best you have, youth and depth, both of which we have at most positions.

My bad I wrote that wrong. Youth(as in not a good thing, they're too young) and not enough depth.

The only problem I see real depth problems at is running back. And at what position do you see a problem at with youth?

07-07-2006, 06:22 PM
Youth and Depth are missing. It's the cliche pick for darkhorse superbowl contender and thats the only reason people want to jump on their nuts. They'll never beat New England for the East crown this year and you can take that to the bank.

I'm a very intelligent individual who forms his own opinions. I'm not aware of Miami being the "cliche pick". Seems to me that most people are picking the Steelers. It may be cliche among people who actually know what they are talking about, but that's to be expected. I never jump on any teams nuts for any reason. I just see things for what they are.

You're a dillhole. How is Pittburgh even suppose to be close to the cliche darkhorse pick for the super bowl, THEY WON IT LAST YEAR!!!!!!!!!!! That should automatically quallify them as front runners, not a darkhorse suprise pick. I promise you if Pittsburgh makes it back to the super bowl this year, there would not be one surprised football fan in the world.

07-07-2006, 06:23 PM
You have depth at Oline? hahahaa you're starting LT isn't even a good starter, he should be the depth.

draftguru151
07-07-2006, 06:25 PM
Dillhole, I believe that was the first time that has been used on here.

And we do have depth at OL, we have 4 OTs who could be starters, don't be mad because Shelton doenst play for you guys anymore. And I guarantee you he will be a very good starter next year. We already have a better than most OL, and we only got better.

duckseason
07-07-2006, 06:26 PM
Youth and Depth are missing. It's the cliche pick for darkhorse superbowl contender and thats the only reason people want to jump on their nuts. They'll never beat New England for the East crown this year and you can take that to the bank.

I'm a very intelligent individual who forms his own opinions. I'm not aware of Miami being the "cliche pick". Seems to me that most people are picking the Steelers. It may be cliche among people who actually know what they are talking about, but that's to be expected. I never jump on any teams nuts for any reason. I just see things for what they are.

You're a dillhole. How is Pittburgh even suppose to be close to the cliche darkhorse pick for the super bowl, THEY WON IT LAST YEAR!!!!!!!!!!! That should automatically quallify them as front runners, not a darkhorse suprise pick. I promise you if Pittsburgh makes it back to the super bowl this year, there would not be one surprised football fan in the world.

"Dillhole" Nice. See, if you could actually comprehend my post, you would see that I labeled Pittsburgh the "cliche pick". I dropped the darkhorse part from your post. I fully understood what you were saying.

07-07-2006, 06:33 PM
Youth and Depth are missing. It's the cliche pick for darkhorse superbowl contender and thats the only reason people want to jump on their nuts. They'll never beat New England for the East crown this year and you can take that to the bank.

I'm a very intelligent individual who forms his own opinions. I'm not aware of Miami being the "cliche pick". Seems to me that most people are picking the Steelers. It may be cliche among people who actually know what they are talking about, but that's to be expected. I never jump on any teams nuts for any reason. I just see things for what they are.

You're a dillhole. How is Pittburgh even suppose to be close to the cliche darkhorse pick for the super bowl, THEY WON IT LAST YEAR!!!!!!!!!!! That should automatically quallify them as front runners, not a darkhorse suprise pick. I promise you if Pittsburgh makes it back to the super bowl this year, there would not be one surprised football fan in the world.

"Dillhole" Nice. See, if you could actually comprehend my post, you would see that I labeled Pittsburgh the "cliche pick". I dropped the darkhorse part from your post. I fully understood what you were saying.

Well you were completly talking about something different then bc I said the cliche darkhorse pick, plain as day. And I highly doubt Pittsburgh is anymore cliche than Carolina. I will have to admitt I am picking Carolina too, however, I have picked Carolina to win it all ever year since they drafted my boy Julius Peppers so I dunno if that makes me part of the cliche or not. Oh and now they have Gamble(OSU) and one of my favorites in Richard Marshall.

Texico From Mexico
07-07-2006, 06:34 PM
Youth and Depth are missing. It's the cliche pick for darkhorse superbowl contender and thats the only reason people want to jump on their nuts. They'll never beat New England for the East crown this year and you can take that to the bank.

I'm a very intelligent individual who forms his own opinions. I'm not aware of Miami being the "cliche pick". Seems to me that most people are picking the Steelers. It may be cliche among people who actually know what they are talking about, but that's to be expected. I never jump on any teams nuts for any reason. I just see things for what they are.

You're a dillhole. How is Pittburgh even suppose to be close to the cliche darkhorse pick for the super bowl, THEY WON IT LAST YEAR!!!!!!!!!!! That should automatically quallify them as front runners, not a darkhorse suprise pick. I promise you if Pittsburgh makes it back to the super bowl this year, there would not be one surprised football fan in the world.

Did you know that you can be banned for personal attacks? Play nice... :)

07-07-2006, 06:35 PM
Dillhole, I believe that was the first time that has been used on here.

And we do have depth at OL, we have 4 OTs who could be starters, don't be mad because Shelton doenst play for you guys anymore. And I guarantee you he will be a very good starter next year. We already have a better than most OL, and we only got better.

Oh yeah I am mad he isn't playing for us hahahahahahaha go check your facts. Go look at the Cleveland Browns thread before the off season even rolled around and check out how much I hated the fat lazy worthless pile of dung. He was far and away out worst offensive lineman and had more flags than Gallary and Barron combined :shock:

Staubach12
07-07-2006, 06:37 PM
Pittsburgh

draftguru151
07-07-2006, 06:39 PM
Dillhole, I believe that was the first time that has been used on here.

And we do have depth at OL, we have 4 OTs who could be starters, don't be mad because Shelton doenst play for you guys anymore. And I guarantee you he will be a very good starter next year. We already have a better than most OL, and we only got better.

Oh yeah I am mad he isn't playing for us hahahahahahaha go check your facts. Go look at the Cleveland Browns thread before the off season even rolled around and check out how much I hated the fat lazy worthless pile of dung. He was far and away out worst offensive lineman and had more flags than Gallary and Barron combined :shock:

What? And Shelton was an average starter in Cleveland, imagine what Houck can do with him.

duckseason
07-07-2006, 06:39 PM
Well you were completly talking about something different then bc I said the cliche darkhorse pick, plain as day. And I highly doubt Pittsburgh is anymore cliche than Carolina. I will have to admitt I am picking Carolina too, however, I have picked Carolina to win it all ever year since they drafted my boy Julius Peppers so I dunno if that makes me part of the cliche or not. Oh and now they have Gamble(OSU) and one of my favorites in Richard Marshall.

I wasn't aware Carolina made the move to the AFC. You have a link?
I understood you labeled Miami as the "darkhorse cliche". I was just pointing out that Pittsburgh is the only real AFC cliche pick I've noticed. You should understand that by now.

07-07-2006, 06:42 PM
Shelton average in Cleveland hahahahahaha :lol: I wish.



Carolina is the cliche pick to win it all. Miami is the darkhorse cliche pick and I beileve more people have Indy going to the SB than Pittsburgh :? Atleast from all that I have seen. Thats the media for you though, they'll never learn Manning can't play with the big boys in the big games.

Texico From Mexico
07-07-2006, 06:47 PM
Pittsburgh until proven otherwise. Dallas to win it all. TO even says so in his book! 8)

SuperMcGee
07-07-2006, 07:00 PM
Shelton is not a good starter. He's been below average wherever he's been. He hasnt been around the best supporting casts, but he's not one of the reasons that Miami will be better

jkpigskin
07-07-2006, 09:42 PM
i think people know the dolphins arent as good as they played down the stretch last year... i voted bengals

draftguru151
07-08-2006, 12:39 AM
Shelton is not a good starter. He's been below average wherever he's been. He hasnt been around the best supporting casts, but he's not one of the reasons that Miami will be better

Well Damion McIntosh played very well last year, and we also brought in Mike Pearson, both of which he is out performing. He will be an above average starter in Miami, I guarantee that.

SuperMcGee
07-08-2006, 01:19 AM
Shelton is not a good starter. He's been below average wherever he's been. He hasnt been around the best supporting casts, but he's not one of the reasons that Miami will be better

Well Damion McIntosh played very well last year, and we also brought in Mike Pearson, both of which he is out performing. He will be an above average starter in Miami, I guarantee that.

I guarantee Jason Peters will be better

draftguru151
07-08-2006, 01:20 AM
I'm sure :roll: . I hope for McGahee's sake.

glennjamen3
07-08-2006, 02:24 AM
Pittsburgh.
Everybody thinks they are going back to the Super Bowl this year.

as far as i've seen there aren't many people besides steelers fans who think they'll repeat. apparently we're getting knocked out by the browns this year.

Kirk
07-08-2006, 08:13 AM
The Broncos. Jake Plummer aint that good, and the Steelers showed them.

Steelcurtain1970
07-08-2006, 04:42 PM
The Steelers should be the favs until proven otherwise.

exactly , the bengals are goin to fall this year cus they will not get those turnovers like they did last year. Their D will struggle and they have a tougher schedule

elway777
07-08-2006, 05:02 PM
The Broncos. Jake Plummer aint that good, and the Steelers showed them.

haha raidersfans.....

I think the most overated has to be the bengals.

07-08-2006, 05:12 PM
Dolphins, but if Daunte plays like he can maybe theyll live up to the expectations.

yourfavestoner
07-08-2006, 06:21 PM
I went with Indy. I think the loss of James is going to hurt them far more than anybody is willing to admit. Also, everybody everybody seems more than willing to point out how easy of a schedule Seattle and Jacksonville had, but this point gets forgetten when it comes to the Colts. The schedule for the entire AFC South is going to be much, much more difficult.

10 wins is going to win the AFC South this year.

scorchin
07-09-2006, 10:55 AM
I think the Steelers are overrated. If Carson is healthy, I think the Bengals take the division and the Steelers miss the playoffs.

Colts easily make the playoffs.Most overrated has to be, Miami or cincy. You actually have to prove something on the field or at least have a winning record for more than 1 year. Both these teams will be average at best.

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art vandelay
07-09-2006, 11:07 AM
Patriots with Miami as a close 2nd.

SuperMcGee
07-09-2006, 11:10 AM
Patriots with Miami as a close 2nd.

i love it :wink:

frogstomp
07-09-2006, 11:13 AM
Patriots with Miami as a close 2nd.

i love it :wink:

No offense, but an overrated Patriots and an overrated Miami still own the Bills.

Unfortunately, they will both own the Jets, too. It looks like another long year... :cry:

P-L
07-09-2006, 11:17 AM
Stop with the personal attacks or say bye to this thread. I am cleaning it up now, but I am not going be hear all day babysitting.

art vandelay
07-09-2006, 11:19 AM
I'm sure :roll: . I hope for McGahee's sake.

LJ Shelton is nothing above average. Did you happen to catch the article on NFL.com about overrated and underrated players on every team? He called Peters a perennial Pro Bowler. There is no way that Shelton is better than Peters.

frogstomp
07-09-2006, 11:19 AM
Stop with the personal attacks or say bye to this thread. I am cleaning it up now, but I am not going be hear all babysitting.

Power trip. :wink:

art vandelay
07-09-2006, 11:21 AM
Patriots with Miami as a close 2nd.

i love it :wink:

No offense, but an overrated Patriots and an overrated Miami still own the Bills.

Unfortunately, they will both own the Jets, too. It looks like another long year... :cry:

I'm not sold on Miami. I think that they will lose 1/2 the games they play the Bills and Jets (2 out of 4).

P-L
07-09-2006, 11:21 AM
Stop with the personal attacks or say bye to this thread. I am cleaning it up now, but I am not going be hear all babysitting.

Power trip. :wink:

You wanna fight so badly do it through PMs. If you have a problem with me, contact Scott or the Admins. There is no point in senseless bickering.

frogstomp
07-09-2006, 11:23 AM
Stop with the personal attacks or say bye to this thread. I am cleaning it up now, but I am not going be hear all babysitting.

Power trip. :wink:

You wanna fight so badly do it through PMs. If you have a problem with me, contact Scott or the Admins. There is no point in senseless bickering.

Meh, it's just fun arguing with Scorchin, but now it's like we're in Kindergarten with all these little teachers sitting there making sure we don't hurt each others feelings. Whatever.

P-L
07-09-2006, 11:25 AM
I don't have a problem with arguing, if it wasn't for the part of scorchin's post I edited out, I probably would've let it go. But I shouldn't have to explain myself anymore.

frogstomp
07-09-2006, 11:25 AM
Patriots with Miami as a close 2nd.

i love it :wink:

No offense, but an overrated Patriots and an overrated Miami still own the Bills.

Unfortunately, they will both own the Jets, too. It looks like another long year... :cry:

I'm not sold on Miami. I think that they will lose 1/2 the games they play the Bills and Jets (2 out of 4).

I can see it if Culpepper plays like last year. But if he plays like a top 15 QB, that will be an amazing offense, and then they have a decent defense to back it up. I just can't see us beating them, and if we do, it's because of a bad week, injury, or just a fluke good game. :P

frogstomp
07-09-2006, 11:26 AM
I don't have a problem with arguing, if it wasn't for the part of scorchin's post I edited out, I probably would've let it go. But I shouldn't have to explain myself anymore.

Alright. I mean, I've always liked and respected you as a poster, so I'll give you the benifit of the doubt. :wink:

P-L
07-09-2006, 11:30 AM
@ PIT
BUF
TEN
@ HOU
@NE
@NY
GB
@CHI
KC
MIN
@DET
JAC
NE
@BUF
NYJ
@IND

Best-case scenario: 10-6. And that is only the best case. I can't see them winning more than 10 of those.

OzTitan
07-09-2006, 11:31 AM
I want to say the Bengals but I don't really see many people rating them as an elite team in 2006.

I do, however, see the occasional piece about how the Dolphins are the up and coming AFC team for 2006. They remind me of the Bills 2004 in a way. I don't necessarily think they won't do good, I just think their new found praise is undeserved for the most part, i.e., they're being overrated.

art vandelay
07-09-2006, 11:33 AM
The Dolphins have ALOT of question marks.

Secondary is a huge concern at all positions. Who's your #2 Corner? Who is #1 for that matter? Tillman starting at SS is hilarious.

Extremely old front 4 which will deteriorate as the season progresses.

Donnie Spragan would not start on most teams.

Wes Walker is the slot reciever :oops:

Marty Booker is not what he used to be.

Full back is weak.

Culpepper is a HUGE question mark IMO, their whole offense is based on him this year. Even if Harrington comes in, Miami's o-line is even worse than Detroit's.


Should I go on?

EDIT - Why is full back bleeped out?

SuperMcGee
07-09-2006, 11:36 AM
Patriots with Miami as a close 2nd.

i love it :wink:

No offense, but an overrated Patriots and an overrated Miami still own the Bills.

Unfortunately, they will both own the Jets, too. It looks like another long year... :cry:

Patriots, yes
Miami, i wouldnt be so sure

frogstomp
07-09-2006, 11:38 AM
Patriots with Miami as a close 2nd.

i love it :wink:

No offense, but an overrated Patriots and an overrated Miami still own the Bills.

Unfortunately, they will both own the Jets, too. It looks like another long year... :cry:

Patriots, yes
Miami, i wouldnt be so sure

As I said, It's all about C-Pepp.

draftguru151
07-09-2006, 11:46 AM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Almost everything you said was wrong or stupid.

#1 corner, Will Allen, a pretty good physical CB. #2 is Travis Daniels who is perfect for Sabans defense and played well last season. Nickel back is Will Poole who is very talented and would have started last year if not for injury. Tillman isn't starting at SS. Renaldo Hill is.

We are running a 3-4, so I'm assuming you are countind JT, who didn't show any signs of wearing down last year even when he has a foot injury all year. Traylor is old, but he never wears down. Holliday is 30, Carter is 32. None of them have shown any sign if wearing down. 9 sacks from both of them last year? Also we have a lot of youth and depth on the DL. Matt Roth, Manny Wright, Jeff Zgonina, Kevin Vickerson, etc. Spragan is fighting for the starting spot with Keith Newman and Sedrick Hodge. Hodge is a great athlete, but he was just on a horrible team. Spragan is a good starter anyway. ROLB is probably the weakness of the D though.

Wes Welker is a very good slot receiver, and we also have Hagan and Kelly Campbell. Booker led the team in ypc last year and played well, with Gus Frerotte. Now he has Culpepper.

Fullback is weak?!?!?! HAHAHA. We just have pro bowler Fred Beasley. But it is weak. And we have Barnes backing him up, and Morris who can also play FB. But that is a weak position.

Our OL is worse than Detroits. :lol: :lol: :lol: We gave up the fourth fewest sacks in the league last year, and had two backs average 4.4 ypc. And we got better adding 2 new starters. Ever heard of Hudson Houck, doubt it.

Do I need to go on?

SuperMcGee
07-09-2006, 11:50 AM
Patriots with Miami as a close 2nd.

i love it :wink:

No offense, but an overrated Patriots and an overrated Miami still own the Bills.

Unfortunately, they will both own the Jets, too. It looks like another long year... :cry:

Patriots, yes
Miami, i wouldnt be so sure

As I said, It's all about C-Pepp.

I see this now, and I mostly agree
however I do say that Bills win at home against Miami
I might even just toss out a guarantee

frogstomp
07-09-2006, 11:53 AM
Almost everything you said was wrong or stupid.

#1 corner, Will Allen, a pretty good physical CB. #2 is Travis Daniels who is perfect for Sabans defense and played well last season. Nickel back is Will Poole who is very talented and would have started last year if not for injury. Tillman isn't starting at SS. Renaldo Hill is.

We are running a 3-4, so I'm assuming you are countind JT, who didn't show any signs of wearing down last year even when he has a foot injury all year. Traylor is old, but he never wears down. Holliday is 30, Carter is 32. None of them have shown any sign if wearing down. 9 sacks from both of them last year? Also we have a lot of youth and depth on the DL. Matt Roth, Manny Wright, Jeff Zgonina, Kevin Vickerson, etc. Spragan is fighting for the starting spot with Keith Newman and Sedrick Hodge. Hodge is a great athlete, but he was just on a horrible team. Spragan is a good starter anyway. ROLB is probably the weakness of the D though.

Wes Welker is a very good slot receiver, and we also have Hagan and Kelly Campbell. Booker led the team in ypc last year and played well, with Gus Frerotte. Now he has Culpepper.

*********** is weak?!?!?! HAHAHA. We just have pro bowler Fred Beasley. But it is weak. And we have Barnes backing him up, and Morris who can also play FB. But that is a weak position.

Our OL is worse than Detroits. :lol: :lol: :lol: We gave up the fourth fewest sacks in the league last year, and had two backs average 4.4 ypc. And we got better adding 2 new starters. Ever heard of Hudson Houck, doubt it.

Do I need to go on?

If you would like to. I mean, it's all up to you. I don't have mod powers, and I don't think Mcgee does... so really, no ones stopping you.

In fact, yes, please do go on.

art vandelay
07-09-2006, 12:21 PM
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Almost everything you said was wrong or stupid.

#1 corner, Will Allen, a pretty good physical CB. #2 is Travis Daniels who is perfect for Sabans defense and played well last season. Nickel back is Will Poole who is very talented and would have started last year if not for injury. Tillman isn't starting at SS. Renaldo Hill is.

We are running a 3-4, so I'm assuming you are countind JT, who didn't show any signs of wearing down last year even when he has a foot injury all year. Traylor is old, but he never wears down. Holliday is 30, Carter is 32. None of them have shown any sign if wearing down. 9 sacks from both of them last year? Also we have a lot of youth and depth on the DL. Matt Roth, Manny Wright, Jeff Zgonina, Kevin Vickerson, etc. Spragan is fighting for the starting spot with Keith Newman and Sedrick Hodge. Hodge is a great athlete, but he was just on a horrible team. Spragan is a good starter anyway. ROLB is probably the weakness of the D though.

Wes Welker is a very good slot receiver, and we also have Hagan and Kelly Campbell. Booker led the team in ypc last year and played well, with Gus Frerotte. Now he has Culpepper.

*********** is weak?!?!?! HAHAHA. We just have pro bowler Fred Beasley. But it is weak. And we have Barnes backing him up, and Morris who can also play FB. But that is a weak position.

Our OL is worse than Detroits. :lol: :lol: :lol: We gave up the fourth fewest sacks in the league last year, and had two backs average 4.4 ypc. And we got better adding 2 new starters. Ever heard of Hudson Houck, doubt it.

Do I need to go on?

Secondary
Will Allen was not good in NY, he is nothing more than an average CB and should not be a #1 corner.
Will Poole has proven zilch in the NFL, 26 tackles and no INT's.
Travis Daniels is still young and inexperienced, although sadly he is your best CB.
Renaldo Hill is also nothing special, he is just a solid starter. Tillman is still horrible depth and should not be in the league.
Who is your FS? :oops:

D-Line
Could be the oldest D-line in the NFL. Keith Traylor is 37, Vonnie Holliday is 31, Kevin Carter is 33. Very brittle bones there and detoriating talent as well. None of them are the players they once were and are only getting worse. Jeff Zgonina should not be part of the statement "youth and depth." The man is 36 years old! Kevin Vickerson??? Who?? I had to look the man up. He has not recorded a game played in the NFL. With Manny Wright all I have to say is "cry me a river." He has played a whopping 4 games in the NFL.

Linebackers
Spragan/Newman/Hodge are all average players with no potential to get better. Whoever starts will probably total 50 tackles at best and be exploited in pass coverage big time. Zach Thomas is still a top LB in the league but when will he start declining? He is 33...

Recievers
Wes Welker is nothing more than an average reciever, he is a kick returner and should not be the slot reciever. I see Hagan taking the spot but having troubles with drops. Booker's catches have declined every year since 2001 when he caught 100 passes so he is on the decline. Kelly Campbell is as frail as a rail and would not make the roster on most teams. You can not say they have Culpepper either, because you do not know that yet. He is a HUGE question mark.

Fullback
I admit that I was wrong here. I did not know that they picked up Beasley in the offseason. He is very good, but also on the decline as he is 32. Darian Barnes I have never heard of and Sammy Morris more of a RB than a FB.

Offensive Line
No really good players here. Jeno James, Rex Hadnot, Daimon McIntosh, Vernon Carey are all just average players. LJ Shelton and Bennie Anderson are fat slugs. Hudson Houck? I don't care who that is beacuse I know he is not playing on the field on Sundays, he is on the sidelines. Just ask Buffalo, your offensive line can be great one year and horrible the next with the exact same players.


What else do you have for me?

Pack_Attack_4
07-11-2006, 02:24 PM
C_O_L_T_S = OVERATED

filibuster
07-11-2006, 02:31 PM
pats- hands down

everyone is obsessed with them because of their recent success, but their team is breaking apart and if they win their division this year it will only be by a game or two

Shiver
07-11-2006, 04:45 PM
Stop with the personal attacks or say bye to this thread. I am cleaning it up now, but I am not going be hear all day babysitting.


That's all scorchin ever does, no surprise.

frogstomp
07-11-2006, 05:49 PM
Stop with the personal attacks or say bye to this thread. I am cleaning it up now, but I am not going be hear all day babysitting.


That's all scorchin ever does, no surprise.

Damn, he posted the most hilarious thing ever... it was like, "you always have to insult people, what's your problem?", etc, etc. part of it is in my sig, but the rest of it is gone... :cry:

draftguru151
07-11-2006, 06:12 PM
econdary
Will Allen was not good in NY, he is nothing more than an average CB and should not be a #1 corner.
Will Poole has proven zilch in the NFL, 26 tackles and no INT's.
Travis Daniels is still young and inexperienced, although sadly he is your best CB.
Renaldo Hill is also nothing special, he is just a solid starter. Tillman is still horrible depth and should not be in the league.
Who is your FS? Embarassed

D-Line
Could be the oldest D-line in the NFL. Keith Traylor is 37, Vonnie Holliday is 31, Kevin Carter is 33. Very brittle bones there and detoriating talent as well. None of them are the players they once were and are only getting worse. Jeff Zgonina should not be part of the statement "youth and depth." The man is 36 years old! Kevin Vickerson??? Who?? I had to look the man up. He has not recorded a game played in the NFL. With Manny Wright all I have to say is "cry me a river." He has played a whopping 4 games in the NFL.

Linebackers
Spragan/Newman/Hodge are all average players with no potential to get better. Whoever starts will probably total 50 tackles at best and be exploited in pass coverage big time. Zach Thomas is still a top LB in the league but when will he start declining? He is 33...

Recievers
Wes Welker is nothing more than an average reciever, he is a kick returner and should not be the slot reciever. I see Hagan taking the spot but having troubles with drops. Booker's catches have declined every year since 2001 when he caught 100 passes so he is on the decline. Kelly Campbell is as frail as a rail and would not make the roster on most teams. You can not say they have Culpepper either, because you do not know that yet. He is a HUGE question mark.

***********
I admit that I was wrong here. I did not know that they picked up Beasley in the offseason. He is very good, but also on the decline as he is 32. Darian Barnes I have never heard of and Sammy Morris more of a RB than a FB.

Offensive Line
No really good players here. Jeno James, Rex Hadnot, Daimon McIntosh, Vernon Carey are all just average players. LJ Shelton and Bennie Anderson are fat slugs. Hudson Houck? I don't care who that is beacuse I know he is not playing on the field on Sundays, he is on the sidelines. Just ask Buffalo, your offensive line can be great one year and horrible the next with the exact same players.


What else do you have for me?

Allen is a good corner, just not at getting INTs. He is physical in run support, and is exactly the CB that Saban needs. Poole hasn't gotten a chance to prove anything in the NFL, but he was a very talented player in college and would have been a good starter last year. Daniels is the most experiened player in the secondary with Saban's system and actually helped the vets out last year. Hill is an average starter, but he is an upgrade over Tebucky Jones. And are starter at FS? Maybe first round pick Jason Allen :oops: .

None of the DL have shown any type of wearing down, I don't know where you are getting that from. Manny Wright is as talented as any DT in this years draft. If he wasn't impressing in camp I doubt Zgonina would have been moved to end. I said Vickerson is a depth player, thats all.

I know all those players are just average. But the thing is Donnie Spragan had over 50 tackles in starting less than half the year. Hodge has a boatload of potential. The guy is a freak athlete with good size. Also ZT has his best year last year, so I doubt he is wearing down. I would also like to add that we have the freak that is Channing Crowder. So we have 3 dominating LBers, and 1 average one, I think it balances out.

Welker was very good in the slot last season. He was constantly getting open and came up huge in big situations last season. And why do you think Hagan will drop balls? Because he had a bad case of the drops at the senior bowl? Booker was playing for the Bears? What do you want from him? He had a year where he was great, and others where he was average. He is a very good #2. He isn't the best, but he definately isn't a weakness. And how is Culpepper a HUGE question mark? He will be out for 3 weeks tops, and will most likely be ready to start the season. Also Joey isn't the worst thing ever, a lot better than any QB in the Bills roster.

Again you assume people are on the decline because the are over 30. Beasley hasn't shown any signs of wearing down and FBs last for a long time. Barnes is a moster of a run blocker and great on special teams. Not much else though. Morris is a good receiving FB and a good runner. And he is versatile which is a plus.

And this is where you had me cracking up. You don't care who Hudson Houck is? Thats like saying I don't care who Alex Gibbs is. Do you think it is a fluke the line got that much better in one year? You are crazy if he has no effect on the team. Shelton is going to be a beast. Hadnot is on his way to be a top center. Anderson is the type of player Houck does wonders with. We also have Seth McKinney if Anderson doesn't show up. Carey has a lot of potential and showed it last season. I now know why you are making such bad points, you don't know about football.

The main reason we are going to be a top team in the AFC is because of the coaching staff. Saban did wonders last year and also helps with the defensive backs. Mike Mularkey is a very, very good offensive coordinator. Don Capers is one of the best 3-4 defenseive coordinators around. Houck is one of the top 2 OL coaches in the league.

Is that enough?

GermanSaint
07-11-2006, 06:52 PM
the pittsburgh (ring) stealers

art vandelay
07-11-2006, 07:05 PM
econdary
Will Allen was not good in NY, he is nothing more than an average CB and should not be a #1 corner.
Will Poole has proven zilch in the NFL, 26 tackles and no INT's.
Travis Daniels is still young and inexperienced, although sadly he is your best CB.
Renaldo Hill is also nothing special, he is just a solid starter. Tillman is still horrible depth and should not be in the league.
Who is your FS? Embarassed

D-Line
Could be the oldest D-line in the NFL. Keith Traylor is 37, Vonnie Holliday is 31, Kevin Carter is 33. Very brittle bones there and detoriating talent as well. None of them are the players they once were and are only getting worse. Jeff Zgonina should not be part of the statement "youth and depth." The man is 36 years old! Kevin Vickerson??? Who?? I had to look the man up. He has not recorded a game played in the NFL. With Manny Wright all I have to say is "cry me a river." He has played a whopping 4 games in the NFL.

Linebackers
Spragan/Newman/Hodge are all average players with no potential to get better. Whoever starts will probably total 50 tackles at best and be exploited in pass coverage big time. Zach Thomas is still a top LB in the league but when will he start declining? He is 33...

Recievers
Wes Welker is nothing more than an average reciever, he is a kick returner and should not be the slot reciever. I see Hagan taking the spot but having troubles with drops. Booker's catches have declined every year since 2001 when he caught 100 passes so he is on the decline. Kelly Campbell is as frail as a rail and would not make the roster on most teams. You can not say they have Culpepper either, because you do not know that yet. He is a HUGE question mark.

***********
I admit that I was wrong here. I did not know that they picked up Beasley in the offseason. He is very good, but also on the decline as he is 32. Darian Barnes I have never heard of and Sammy Morris more of a RB than a FB.

Offensive Line
No really good players here. Jeno James, Rex Hadnot, Daimon McIntosh, Vernon Carey are all just average players. LJ Shelton and Bennie Anderson are fat slugs. Hudson Houck? I don't care who that is beacuse I know he is not playing on the field on Sundays, he is on the sidelines. Just ask Buffalo, your offensive line can be great one year and horrible the next with the exact same players.


What else do you have for me?

Allen is a good corner, just not at getting INTs. He is physical in run support, and is exactly the CB that Saban needs. Poole hasn't gotten a chance to prove anything in the NFL, but he was a very talented player in college and would have been a good starter last year. Daniels is the most experiened player in the secondary with Saban's system and actually helped the vets out last year. Hill is an average starter, but he is an upgrade over Tebucky Jones. And are starter at FS? Maybe first round pick Jason Allen :oops: .

None of the DL have shown any type of wearing down, I don't know where you are getting that from. Manny Wright is as talented as any DT in this years draft. If he wasn't impressing in camp I doubt Zgonina would have been moved to end. I said Vickerson is a depth player, thats all.

I know all those players are just average. But the thing is Donnie Spragan had over 50 tackles in starting less than half the year. Hodge has a boatload of potential. The guy is a freak athlete with good size. Also ZT has his best year last year, so I doubt he is wearing down. I would also like to add that we have the freak that is Channing Crowder. So we have 3 dominating LBers, and 1 average one, I think it balances out.

Welker was very good in the slot last season. He was constantly getting open and came up huge in big situations last season. And why do you think Hagan will drop balls? Because he had a bad case of the drops at the senior bowl? Booker was playing for the Bears? What do you want from him? He had a year where he was great, and others where he was average. He is a very good #2. He isn't the best, but he definately isn't a weakness. And how is Culpepper a HUGE question mark? He will be out for 3 weeks tops, and will most likely be ready to start the season. Also Joey isn't the worst thing ever, a lot better than any QB in the Bills roster.

Again you assume people are on the decline because the are over 30. Beasley hasn't shown any signs of wearing down and FBs last for a long time. Barnes is a moster of a run blocker and great on special teams. Not much else though. Morris is a good receiving FB and a good runner. And he is versatile which is a plus.

And this is where you had me cracking up. You don't care who Hudson Houck is? Thats like saying I don't care who Alex Gibbs is. Do you think it is a fluke the line got that much better in one year? You are crazy if he has no effect on the team. Shelton is going to be a beast. Hadnot is on his way to be a top center. Anderson is the type of player Houck does wonders with. We also have Seth McKinney if Anderson doesn't show up. Carey has a lot of potential and showed it last season. I now know why you are making such bad points, you don't know about football.

The main reason we are going to be a top team in the AFC is because of the coaching staff. Saban did wonders last year and also helps with the defensive backs. Mike Mularkey is a very, very good offensive coordinator. Don Capers is one of the best 3-4 defenseive coordinators around. Houck is one of the top 2 OL coaches in the league.

Is that enough?

First off, I know alot about coaches, probably alot more than you do. We supposively have one of the best offensive line coach in the NFL on our team. Does he play on Sundays? Nope. Ever heard of Jim McNally, doubt it.

This could go on for a while. I definitely feel that I have made my case and alot of people agree that Miami is very overrated and will dissapoint this season. I just have one question - so that I can laugh at it at the end of the season - what is your prediction for the Dolphins record in 2006-07? Also, please include whether or not they win the division, make the playoffs and include their record against the Bills.

Oh yeah, good luck with Bennie "The Penalty" Anderson and Mike Mularkey (last name definitely does him justice).

draftguru151
07-11-2006, 07:45 PM
McNally can only do so much with garbage. He did wonders with Jason Peters. Also if Anderson doesn't do well with have Seth McKinney who is more likely to start this year any way. Mularkey is a very good offensive coordinator. He wasn't a good head coach, but he is a top notch play caller.

I think Miami will win the division, going 11-5. Culpepper will miss the first 4 games, with Miami going 2-2. We will go 1-1 with the Bills, who will finish second in the division. We will sweep both the Jets and Pats.

frogstomp
07-11-2006, 07:52 PM
McNally can only do so much with garbage. He did wonders with Jason Peters. Also if Anderson doesn't do well with have Seth McKinney who is more likely to start this year any way. Mularkey is a very good offensive coordinator. He wasn't a good head coach, but he is a top notch play caller.

I think Miami will win the division, going 11-5. Culpepper will miss the first 4 games, with Miami going 2-2. We will go 1-1 with the Bills, who will finish second in the division. We will sweep both the Jets and Pats.

Those are some mighty strong words... we'll see at the end of the season. :wink:

draftguru151
07-11-2006, 07:56 PM
I think you bolding them added a little too much emphasis on the will.

art vandelay
07-11-2006, 07:58 PM
McNally can only do so much with garbage. He did wonders with Jason Peters. Also if Anderson doesn't do well with have Seth McKinney who is more likely to start this year any way. Mularkey is a very good offensive coordinator. He wasn't a good head coach, but he is a top notch play caller.

I think Miami will win the division, going 11-5. Culpepper will miss the first 4 games, with Miami going 2-2. We will go 1-1 with the Bills, who will finish second in the division. We will sweep both the Jets and Pats.

Good point with Peters, he is going to be our best lineman very soon and hopefully will develop into one of the premier lineman in the NFL over the next couple of seasons.

Hopefully for you guys Houck will be able to do something with Shelton or Anderson. IMO, they are both overweight, underathletic lineman who will never be anything in this league, but I am interested to see what he can do with those guys.

That is a fair prediciton, I am going to save it and I'll post it at the end of the season next year to see how it comes out.

draftguru151
07-11-2006, 08:04 PM
Houck likes fat slobs. Thats the type of players he does miracles with. Shelton was probably the best LT in FA and he wanted to come to Miami because of Houck. And if Houck really didn't matter, how did Miami go from one of the worst lines to giving up the 4th fewest sacks with Gus Frerotte at QB?

frogstomp
07-11-2006, 08:07 PM
I think you bolding them added a little too much emphasis on the will.

I think someone's getting worried. :wink:

PACKmanN
07-12-2006, 03:43 AM
Indianapolis Colts, there the only team stack with so much talent and do so well in the season and then when the playoffs come around they cant win it.

toonsterwu
07-12-2006, 04:57 AM
Out of those six teams, I'd pick Miami or Cincinnati right now as being the most overhyped (hard to say overrated). Probably Miami, which will likely incur me some wrath. Look, I like the team. But there's new coordinators in town, and as much as Saban is saying they'll adapt to the "Dolphins" way, there's going to be some adjustment time.

More importantly, I just think it'll take another year for Saban to make a serious charge (basically, I don't think the talent is there). If Culpepper is fully healthy, then I might change my mind. But until I see that happen, I'll be wary, and the rest of the depth chart has some questions, IMO. Is there enough depth at RB to be as good as they were last year (essentially, is Ronnie Brown ready to take the next step and is there the depth behind it)? Are there the receivers to be consistent AND to stretch the field (Chambers will be fine, but is Hagan, who has some big questions ready, and how much more can Marty Booker, who I like, give you. Will Kelly Campbell be the deep speed consistency they need?) Most importantly, how good is that offense line? They'll need a solid OL for everything else to fall into place.

But I'm more questionable of the defense. Mularkey is an innovative OC, and despite my concerns there, they will likely produce, provided the QB'ing is solid. Switching to a base 3-4 on a more consistent level will be a chore itself. I really love the addition of Howard Green, who can be a solid NT type. But overall, I'm just not that impressed with the defensive talent and depth. A lot of it is attributed to youth, as things are changing.

I don't know. A lot of people seem to be pegging the Dolphins for great things, which is why I think they are the most overhyped out of that bunch right now. I think they are headed in the right direction, but I look more to a .500ish type season as the personnel and coaching adjusts. Another offseason and I think I can better buy a challenge to the Patriots ruling the division. I figure for another slow start and a hot finish type year.

Zim3031
07-12-2006, 07:35 AM
i would have to agree with many and say Miami

07-12-2006, 09:56 AM
Marvin Harrison is on the decline. Defense is worst than last year's overrated unit. No Edgerrin James. No major improvement, unless you consider a Kicker as the savior of the team. :roll: Colts won't make the playoffs.

lol that is freaking hilarious, won't make the playoffs? hahahahaha yeah, ok. I agree they are overrated and Jacksonville could very easily dethrone them but missing the playoffs is laughable.

I back up Shiver on this one. Just because they have had a great past in recent years, doesn't mean they will automatically get in the playoffs.

I think at best Indy gets a wildcard, but I see SD/DEN getting one and an AFC North team getting the other, so right now, I don't think they are a playoff team.

07-12-2006, 09:58 AM
Explain to me toonsterwu, how MIA can be overhyped when ESPN "experts" think that NE will run away with the AFC East and get in the playoffs?

draftguru151
07-12-2006, 10:08 AM
Wow Toonster, you never seize to amaze. I didn't even know Howard Green was on the team. The depth at RB is questionable, but Kay-Jay Harris is a guy I really like. He was a mid round talent that went undrafted because of his age. We also have Sammy Morris and Travis Minor who can come in if neccesary. I agree the adjustment to the new coaches will take some time, because last year the adjustment took half the season, but I expect this year to be a little faster because the systems will be mostly the same. Also, it shocked my about the OL, because I thought you of all people would know how improved this unit is.