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butterman42d
04-10-2007, 07:51 AM
I would do everthing I could do to help my 100 million dollar QB. Payton M has R. Wayne and M. Harrision. Lets just see what can happen if he had #1 WR.

1st RD 2 overall pick WR Calvin Johnson
WE Trade our 8 pick and both 2 round picks + next year 5 round pick.
Our next pick should
3rd round pick FS Brandon Meriweather Miami (FL) 5-105/8 195 4.47
He will drop because of charcter issues just like Jimmy Willams.

We have 2 4 round pick
RB M. Bush
DE Tim Crowder Texas 6-35/8 272 4.69

Most of our need we be covered.

What is two much for calvin Johnson?

georgiafan
04-10-2007, 08:01 AM
Merriweather looks to be going late 1st or early 2nd

d34ng3l021
04-10-2007, 12:41 PM
I would do everthing I could do to help my 100 million dollar QB. Payton M has R. Wayne and M. Harrision. Lets just see what can happen if he had #1 WR.

1st RD 2 overall pick WR Calvin Johnson
WE Trade our 8 pick and both 2 round picks + next year 5 round pick.
Our next pick should
3rd round pick FS Brandon Meriweather Miami (FL) 5-105/8 195 4.47
He will drop because of charcter issues just like Jimmy Willams.

We have 2 4 round pick
RB M. Bush
DE Tim Crowder Texas 6-35/8 272 4.69

Most of our need we be covered.

What is two much for calvin Johnson?

Jimmy Williams dropped from first round to second round. Same thing I would hope to happen to Meriweather.

Shiver
04-10-2007, 03:41 PM
I wouldn't trade anything. The team needs impact players at several positions. The team isn't one player away from contention, which is the only circumstance where you 'sell the farm' for one player.

Mr. Myogi
04-11-2007, 08:21 AM
I could live with it if we gave up the 8th, Falcons 2nd this year, a Denver's 4th this year and Houston's 2nd next year.

D-Rod
04-11-2007, 08:36 AM
I could live with it if we gave up the 8th, Falcons 2nd this year, a Denver's 4th this year and Houston's 2nd next year.

Likewise, as I suggested elsewhere. That's not selling the farm. We'd still have complete first days in 2007 and 2008. It's just selling Schaub.

I'd be torn as to whether to do it or not, because I would also like to fill all our needs. However, if it does happen, I would not be upset.

Mr. Myogi
04-11-2007, 09:00 AM
Likewise, as I suggested elsewhere. That's not selling the farm. We'd still have complete first days in 2007 and 2008. It's just selling Schaub.

I'd be torn as to whether to do it or not, because I would also like to fill all our needs. However, if it does happen, I would not be upset.

I think the Falcons can fill much needed positions (S, OL, DE) in the 2nd, 3rd, and with two 4ths,and get depth in the 5th, 6th, and 7th. The Falcons don't need to replace the entire squad, so they can also get depth from undrafted FA.

D-Rod
04-11-2007, 09:15 AM
Possibly, though i'm not keen on having a 4th rounder, or even 3rd rounder, starting from day 1.

And we probably need new starters at both FS and LDE, and possibly also LT and LG.

Mr. Myogi
04-11-2007, 09:40 AM
FS is the only position I can see someone coming in and starting from Day 1.

If the Falcons somehow manage to get Calvin, I don't see the OL being that much of problem not to be solved with a 2nd, 3rd, or one of the 4ths.

Simply because the Blitz will be off and a lot of teams will only rush 4. One thing the Falcons have never had with Vick is a threat at WR. With CJ, Horn, Finn, and Jenk (upon improvement) they will have 4. That's scary along with Crump, Norwood and Dunn. ONLY IF EVERYONE CAN STAY HEALTHY!!!!!!

If the current OL finds it a problem to handle that, then they need to bagging groceries at the local supermarket.

Shiver
04-11-2007, 09:48 AM
I could live with it if we gave up the 8th, Falcons 2nd this year, a Denver's 4th this year and Houston's 2nd next year.

That isn't enough value. No where close, actually.

D-Rod
04-11-2007, 09:53 AM
That isn't enough value. No where close, actually.

No, it's not, but it doesn't mean that DET wouldn't take it if it was the best offer on the table. Whether other teams would offer more is, of course, another question.

Of course, this is all speculation, and I highly doubt that we move up at all. BUT, at that price, I wouldn't be upset.

Shiver
04-11-2007, 11:46 AM
No, it's not, but it doesn't mean that DET wouldn't take it if it was the best offer on the table. Whether other teams would offer more is, of course, another question.

Of course, this is all speculation, and I highly doubt that we move up at all. BUT, at that price, I wouldn't be upset.

Neither would I. But Detroit won't just trade the pick away for a discount price. They will need either both of our 2nd round picks, or one of the 2nds and the '08 1st round pick. That is too pricey.

TRJ997
04-11-2007, 01:12 PM
I would do everthing I could do to help my 100 million dollar QB. Payton M has R. Wayne and M. Harrision. Lets just see what can happen if he had #1 WR.

1st RD 2 overall pick WR Calvin Johnson
WE Trade our 8 pick and both 2 round picks + next year 5 round pick.
Our next pick should
3rd round pick FS Brandon Meriweather Miami (FL) 5-105/8 195 4.47
He will drop because of charcter issues just like Jimmy Willams.

We have 2 4 round pick
RB M. Bush
DE Tim Crowder Texas 6-35/8 272 4.69

Most of our need we be covered.

What is two much for calvin Johnson?

The Falcons should help their $100MM QB by getting him more protection . . . not more 1st round WR's. I think you have the relationship between P. Manning, Wayne, and Harrison mixed up. Harrison and Wayne are good, but Manning makes them superstars, not the other way around.

Merriweather won't be there in the 3rd round, but if we are plaing make believe, you should just have CJ drop to #8. Then you can keep your 2nd rounders.

TRJ997
04-11-2007, 01:18 PM
I could live with it if we gave up the 8th, Falcons 2nd this year, a Denver's 4th this year and Houston's 2nd next year.

Other's have pointed out that this will not get the job done. I think the Falcon's would be foolish to make this trade even if Detroit would take it. There will be a lot of starters coming from the top of the 2nd round this year, and Landry is the best Defensive player available, IMO. Adding a potential superstar WR will not help the Falcons as much as upgrading the defense and OL.

I'm envious of the Falcon's draft positions for the next 2 years if they can keep all of their picks.

iloxygenil
04-11-2007, 01:20 PM
If we could get Joe Thomas @ #8 then that'd be the only way we would take a LT with our first pick imo.

butterman42d
04-12-2007, 07:22 AM
Other's have pointed out that this will not get the job done. I think the Falcon's would be foolish to make this trade even if Detroit would take it. There will be a lot of starters coming from the top of the 2nd round this year, and Landry is the best Defensive player available, IMO. Adding a potential superstar WR will not help the Falcons as much as upgrading the defense and OL.

I'm envious of the Falcon's draft positions for the next 2 years if they can keep all of their picks.


Out those 3 picks we miss on all of those picks would be happy?

If we gat LANDURY WHAT HIS STATS WOULD BE AND HIS IMPACT AND HIS ROOKIE YEAR COMPARSION.

lANDDURY sTARTS 16 GAMES 79 TACKLES 4 INT cOMPARSSION mIKE HUFF ROOKIE YEAR
cLAVIN jOHNSON 16 GAMES 58 reC 10 td cOMPARSION lARRY fITZ


cLAVIN IN THIS TEAM MAKES US A BETTER BECAUSE HE BRINGS THE 8 MAN OUT OF THE BOX AND MAYBE HE DRAW A DOUBLE TEAM AND THAT WILL OPEN UP RUNNING LANES

Mr. Myogi
04-12-2007, 08:16 AM
Out those 3 picks we miss on all of those picks would be happy?

If we gat LANDURY WHAT HIS STATS WOULD BE AND HIS IMPACT AND HIS ROOKIE YEAR COMPARSION.

lANDDURY sTARTS 16 GAMES 79 TACKLES 4 INT cOMPARSSION mIKE HUFF ROOKIE YEAR
cLAVIN jOHNSON 16 GAMES 58 reC 10 td cOMPARSION lARRY fITZ


cLAVIN IN THIS TEAM MAKES US A BETTER BECAUSE HE BRINGS THE 8 MAN OUT OF THE BOX AND MAYBE HE DRAW A DOUBLE TEAM AND THAT WILL OPEN UP RUNNING LANES


I 2nd that!

butterman42d
04-12-2007, 09:32 AM
Out those 3 picks if we miss on all of those picks would you be happy?

If we gat LANDURY WHAT HIS STATS WOULD BE AND HIS IMPACT AND HIS ROOKIE YEAR COMPARSION.

lANDDURY sTARTS 16 GAMES 79 TACKLES 4 INT cOMPARSSION mIKE HUFF ROOKIE YEAR
cLAVIN jOHNSON 16 GAMES 58 reC 10 td cOMPARSION lARRY fITZ


cLAVIN IN THIS TEAM MAKES US A BETTER BECAUSE HE BRINGS THE 8 MAN OUT OF THE BOX AND MAYBE HE DRAW A DOUBLE TEAM AND THAT WILL OPEN UP RUNNING LANES


Would calvin help our team and how or how or how not!

he helps keeps the defense off the field because we will be making firts down.
Would landry help our team and how and how or how not

scar988
04-12-2007, 09:33 AM
yes Calvin would help...but what would you rather have?

1 - WR Calvin Johnson

or

8 - S LaRon Landry
39 - OT Joe Staley
44 - DE Quentin Moses

butterman42d
04-12-2007, 09:57 AM
yes Calvin would help...but what would you rather have?

1 - WR Calvin Johnson

or

8 - S LaRon Landry
39 - OT Joe Staley
44 - DE Quentin Moses


This year we will have to outscore people to win?
Our Def is not going to be great this year

We could fix our offense a lot faster with this year draft than our def with this year draft.

We have a easy schedule and we will be working out 3 wr set.

butterman42d
04-12-2007, 10:03 AM
Beside injury

We have lost the game becasue we can not substain drives.
Also during clutch time in the games our wr drop the ball more time than our safety got burned for the game winner on a deep pass.

iloxygenil
04-12-2007, 10:51 AM
yes Calvin would help...but what would you rather have?

1 - WR Calvin Johnson

or

8 - S LaRon Landry
39 - OT Joe Staley
44 - DE Quentin Moses
No way Staley falls to 39 at this point.
No way Moses is worth the 44th pick in the draft, I'd MUCH rather have Calvin.

TRJ997
04-12-2007, 01:19 PM
Out those 3 picks we miss on all of those picks would be happy?

If we gat LANDURY WHAT HIS STATS WOULD BE AND HIS IMPACT AND HIS ROOKIE YEAR COMPARSION.

lANDDURY sTARTS 16 GAMES 79 TACKLES 4 INT cOMPARSSION mIKE HUFF ROOKIE YEAR
cLAVIN jOHNSON 16 GAMES 58 reC 10 td cOMPARSION lARRY fITZ


cLAVIN IN THIS TEAM MAKES US A BETTER BECAUSE HE BRINGS THE 8 MAN OUT OF THE BOX AND MAYBE HE DRAW A DOUBLE TEAM AND THAT WILL OPEN UP RUNNING LANES

It's hard to argue with this logic.

The Falcons need way more than one WR to be a winner. They have talent at the WR position and it would be a mistake to take 1 more WR than to get 3 potential impact players at positions of real need.

butterman42d
04-13-2007, 08:10 AM
It's hard to argue with this logic.

The Falcons need way more than one WR to be a winner. They have talent at the WR position and it would be a mistake to take 1 more WR than to get 3 potential impact players at positions of real need.



Everyone knows vick is a great talent. It would be nice to see what vick would look like with another super athlete at wr.

When D Mac 5 had Terrel Owens they went to the superbowl.
Before than they went 3 divisinal title.

Vick led us to play in one title game with sub par talent at wr. I know we are saying we drafted two first rd wr but known to cablier of CJ.

IS Calvin Johnson better than any WR on our team?

Mr. Myogi
04-13-2007, 08:20 AM
I can live with whatever decision McKay and Petrino makes...... Whether they move up to get Johnson or stay put and select Landry or move back and select Nelson....... You can't miss a player you never had..... You can be mad because you skipped him, after the fact..... but only so many players drafted will be put in schemes where they can flourish their first couple of years.....

Saying that if the Falcons draft someone who is productive and can help the Team within the 1st couple of years and they do, then I'm happy.

MEANING: the draft is 2 weeks away..... I just have to sit back and watch.

EdReedUnstoppable
04-13-2007, 08:25 AM
How bout every offensive player on my team cept for Kyle Boller!!!

And then just all UDFA's and then Kyle to Calvin for 80 yards every drive!!

TRJ997
04-13-2007, 01:24 PM
Everyone knows vick is a great talent. It would be nice to see what vick would look like with another super athlete at wr.

When D Mac 5 had Terrel Owens they went to the superbowl.
Before than they went 3 divisinal title.

Vick led us to play in one title game with sub par talent at wr. I know we are saying we drafted two first rd wr but known to cablier of CJ.

IS Calvin Johnson better than any WR on our team?

The Eagles made 3 straight NFC Championship games before going to the Super Bowl. They were a strong team with a championship level defense and a good oline. I clearly remember them having one of the best DLines and secondaries in the league. An argument could be made that they were one WR away from winning the Super Bowl . . . However, they didn't even win it.

The Falcons are not the team that the Eagles were and they will win more games by drafting 3 better defenders and Oline as opposed to another 1st round WR. I don't know why I'm arguing . . . I'm pretty sure time will tell that the Falcon's front office agrees with me.

Oh, and CJ is miles better than any WR on your team. He's got a good chance to be great and he's from Georgia. I certainly understand why you'd want him, but the situation isn't right for the Falcons. Try not to get your hopes up too high.

Shiver
04-13-2007, 02:25 PM
The Eagles made 3 straight NFC Championship games before going to the Super Bowl. They were a strong team with a championship level defense and a good oline. I clearly remember them having one of the best DLines and secondaries in the league. An argument could be made that they were one WR away from winning the Super Bowl . . . However, they didn't even win it.

The Falcons are not the team that the Eagles were and they will win more games by drafting 3 better defenders and Oline as opposed to another 1st round WR. I don't know why I'm arguing . . . I'm pretty sure time will tell that the Falcon's front office agrees with me.

Oh, and CJ is miles better than any WR on your team. He's got a good chance to be great and he's from Georgia. I certainly understand why you'd want him, but the situation isn't right for the Falcons. Try not to get your hopes up too high.

Fantastic post. The only way I won't be PO'd by a trade up, is if the team somehow managed to trade a future 1st, rather than both the 2nd round picks. As long as the team has 1, 2, 3, I would be alright with it.

scar988
04-13-2007, 08:10 PM
This year we will have to outscore people to win?
Our Def is not going to be great this year

We could fix our offense a lot faster with this year draft than our def with this year draft.

We have a easy schedule and we will be working out 3 wr set.
no we won't be doing 3 WR as the base. the article says 3 receivng options in every formation. which means maybe 2 WR's and a RB or even 2 TE's and a WR. it doesn't say a thing abotu 3 WRs. trust me when I say this though. our defense has potential to be amazing this year with Zimmer. we just need a FS who can protect the corners and a pass rusher. at 8 and 44 if wwe coudl get Landry and Moses, we would be a lot better than you think we would. also, Moses is very much worth the 44. he was held back by the coaches last year and was playing more of a run stopper than anything else.

iloxygenil
04-13-2007, 09:17 PM
I am NOT at all happy with Moses on this team to be honest, there is only 1 of those guys I would want, and that's Big Bully, because he's got the strength to play at the next level where as Moses is going to rely strictly on speed, which he doesn't have an excessive amount of.`

scar988
04-13-2007, 09:28 PM
I am NOT at all happy with Moses on this team to be honest, there is only 1 of those guys I would want, and that's Big Bully, because he's got the strength to play at the next level where as Moses is going to rely strictly on speed, which he doesn't have an excessive amount of.`

what? dude, did you even watch Moses htis year? he was obviously keying on the run every play and using his stregth as more of a bull rusher when he was pass rushing because that is what the UGA coaches wantedh im to do. I just think that he was being held back this past year. IMO if we got Moses we would be a lot better on D. we don't really need a run stuffer so we could bring in Q for our LE pass rusher spot. IMO this woudl be ideal:
base D:
LE - Moses
NT - Jackson
UT - Coleman
RE - Abraham
run situation:
LE - Davis
NT - Jackson
UT - Shropshire
RE - Carrington
pass situation:
LE - Moses
NT - Coleman
UT - Babineaux
RE - Abraham

iloxygenil
04-14-2007, 12:09 AM
No thanks. I'd take Chauncey over Moses all day everyday. At least in the 2nd round. Moses in the 4th is prolly the earliest I would be HAPPY with him. I think he's a fair player but I think he will be dominated, and the fact that there are about 10 other DEs in this draft that are just as talented if not moreso I would be livid.

ATLDirtyBirds
04-14-2007, 08:13 AM
Doesn't mean a ton but in my ESPN the mag, Kiper thinks the Falcons will trade up for Calvin.

Shiver
04-14-2007, 10:21 AM
For LE, why would draft a 250-lbs pass rusher to play that position? Especially since this draft is stacked with quality strong-side candidates in round 2, like Tim Crowder, Charles Johnson, Victor Abiamiri, Lamarr Woodley.

As for Calvin Johnson, it depends what the price is. I could live with losing 44th, and the '08 first round pick. That would meet the value needed, and the team would still have three picks on day-1, in both this draft, and next one.

iloxygenil
04-14-2007, 11:33 AM
I would hate to lose next year's first round pick. I think that could be a huge mistake =/

Shiver
04-14-2007, 11:38 AM
I would hate to lose next year's first round pick. I think that could be a huge mistake =/

Even with two 2nd round picks, we'd be alright. As long as that 1st round pick wouldn't be a top-10 pick, that is. At least that way, we would have three day-1 picks in '07, and '08, and still get Calvin Johnson.

butterman42d
04-16-2007, 01:02 PM
The Eagles made 3 straight NFC Championship games before going to the Super Bowl. They were a strong team with a championship level defense and a good oline. I clearly remember them having one of the best DLines and secondaries in the league. An argument could be made that they were one WR away from winning the Super Bowl . . . However, they didn't even win it.

The Falcons are not the team that the Eagles were and they will win more games by drafting 3 better defenders and Oline as opposed to another 1st round WR. I don't know why I'm arguing . . . I'm pretty sure time will tell that the Falcon's front office agrees with me.

Oh, and CJ is miles better than any WR on your team. He's got a good chance to be great and he's from Georgia. I certainly understand why you'd want him, but the situation isn't right for the Falcons. Try not to get your hopes up too



high.



But they got their with an elite WR

Atl went to the superbowl with great running game and decent wr and and alright def

butterman42d
04-16-2007, 01:08 PM
no we won't be doing 3 WR as the base. the article says 3 receivng options in every formation. which means maybe 2 WR's and a RB or even 2 TE's and a WR. it doesn't say a thing abotu 3 WRs. trust me when I say this though. our defense has potential to be amazing this year with Zimmer. we just need a FS who can protect the corners and a pass rusher. at 8 and 44 if wwe coudl get Landry and Moses, we would be a lot better than you think we would. also, Moses is very much worth the 44. he was held back by the coaches last year and was playing more of a run stopper than anything else.


The game that we have lost in the last two years were from people being injured and wr dropping balls.

Do you think that those ball our wr drop cost us games

butterman42d
04-16-2007, 01:11 PM
I would hate to lose next year's first round pick. I think that could be a huge mistake =/

We have to deal with the now.

We want to do everthing possible to win this year.

D-Rod
04-16-2007, 01:51 PM
We have to deal with the now.

We want to do everthing possible to win this year.

Hmm, now that's forward thinking for you.

Realistically, this year is a rebuilding year. We might scrape into the playoffs, but anything more than that would be a miracle. We need to look to the longterm health of the franchise, not just one season.

Trading away a future 1st rounder is the height of stupidity. A bad run of losses the next season, and that's a top 10, potentially elite player you just gave away (see Merriman, Shawn).

At least with a 2nd, you're minimizing the potential damage.

I'd do the trade for a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year (and maybe a little extra), but NOT a 1st next year.

Mr. Myogi
04-16-2007, 02:29 PM
Hmm, now that's forward thinking for you.

Realistically, this year is a rebuilding year. We might scrape into the playoffs, but anything more than that would be a miracle. We need to look to the longterm health of the franchise, not just one season.

Trading away a future 1st rounder is the height of stupidity. A bad run of losses the next season, and that's a top 10, potentially elite player you just gave away (see Merriman, Shawn).

At least with a 2nd, you're minimizing the potential damage.

I'd do the trade for a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year (and maybe a little extra), but NOT a 1st next year.


That's the name of the Game......WIN some, LOSE some......If the Falcons get Calvin Johnson, he doesn't have to catch a ball. Just the threat that he brings would make that Offense that much more potent.
Do you know the percentage of Bust in the 1st round? (I don't either, I just know it's high)
Win now and guess later.
To use the 1st from next year wouldn't be that bad, think about it......
1. CAP space is an issue. (Will not have to pay that guaranteed money for a 1st rounder.)
2. The Falcons will still have 3 first day picks. (The Houston pick will be like a 1st round pick because they have a 4th yr Rookie leading their team)
3. MOST IMPORTANTLY: the FALCONS 2008 pick will be #32. (Not a big difference from 32 and 35, where I predict the Houston pick will be)

Shiver
04-16-2007, 02:58 PM
I'd do the trade for a 2nd this year and a 2nd next year (and maybe a little extra), but NOT a 1st next year.

Of course you would. It's too bad that a 2nd this year, and next, doesn't come close to the value required to do so. It is a mute point however, TSN's recent team report says Atlanta will look towards acquiring more picks, rather than trading them away.

D-Rod
04-16-2007, 03:17 PM
Of course you would. It's too bad that a 2nd this year, and next, doesn't come close to the value required to do so. It is a mute point however, TSN's recent team report says Atlanta will look towards acquiring more picks, rather than trading them away.

Fine. If Detroit won't accept that, that's their prerogative. I'm just saying that I wouldn't want to offer more. And remember, value is not a settled point, regardless of Jimmy Johnson's pick value chart.

Fact is, if #8 and two 2nds is the best offer on the table, I'd be amazed if Detroit didn't just take the offer. Their team would be better off. If they get a better offer, fine, they'll take that. But they clearly want to trade down, so they might not get quite the massive offers they are expecting.

We'll see. Trying to state exactly "the value required" to make the trade is impossible. I'm just suggesting what I would be happy with us offering.

Anyway, I'm pretty sure that TSN is right, and we'll look to acquire more picks if possible.