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broncosfan144
07-19-2006, 03:38 PM
Who would you rather builid a team around?

Shane P. Hallam
07-19-2006, 03:41 PM
Obviously, you build around Cutler. If I have a near playoff team? I'd rather have Plummer.


Also, you NEED to downsize your avatar. It should be 100X100 at most.

Ravens1991
07-19-2006, 03:42 PM
Cutler, Plummer is like 31

broncosfan144
07-19-2006, 03:43 PM
but plummer has expirence that cutler doesnt have

Ravens1991
07-19-2006, 03:46 PM
ya but when you say build a team around I think you mean a long term project, a win later situation, I think that will take about 3-5 yeras to create, I wouldn't want a QB past his prime.

07-19-2006, 03:47 PM
but plummer has expirence that cutler doesnt have
ya but you said Who would you rather builid a team around?
you dont build ya team around buy someone whos 10yr+
some times you do thou

slightlyaraiderfan
07-19-2006, 03:49 PM
Where's the option for "Neither, Broncos blow."

Splat
07-19-2006, 03:52 PM
Jay Cutler has looked like crap so far.

Staubach12
07-19-2006, 04:00 PM
I'd take Cutler.

diabsoule
07-19-2006, 04:07 PM
Is there really a choice here? Plummer is past his prime and Cutler is young and has a chance to be a good QB.

Jonathan_VIlma
07-19-2006, 04:29 PM
Cutler is like a recently drafted version of Plummer. He doesn't know how to win, yet has good measureables.

Splat
07-19-2006, 04:45 PM
Jay Cutler = Kyle Boller

bigbluedefense
07-19-2006, 04:47 PM
Cutler is like a recently drafted version of Plummer. He doesn't know how to win, yet has good measureables.

Good observation.

A better question would be, who do you build around, Leinart or Cutler. There, you have 2 young up and comers, one with intangibles and a winning background but has limitations physically, the other has all the physical gifts but makes mental errors, bad mechanics and doesn't win. That would be a good question.

Me personally, I favor East Coast/run the ball/vertical pass game offense, so I'd take Cutler. If I had Leinart, id implement a west coast offense, he couldn't be a vertical passer.

Jonathan_VIlma
07-19-2006, 04:50 PM
Cutler is like a recently drafted version of Plummer. He doesn't know how to win, yet has good measureables.

Good observation.

A better question would be, who do you build around, Leinart or Cutler. There, you have 2 young up and comers, one with intangibles and a winning background but has limitations physically, the other has all the physical gifts but makes mental errors, bad mechanics and doesn't win. That would be a good question.

Me personally, I favor East Coast/run the ball/vertical pass game offense, so I'd take Cutler. If I had Leinart, id implement a west coast offense, he couldn't be a vertical passer.
It's not like Leinart can't throw the deep ball. But he does loft the ball at times. Shouldn't be a problem with Anquan Boldin and Larry Fitzgerald.

Ravens1991
07-19-2006, 04:50 PM
Jay Cutler = Kyle Boller


When I read Scotts scouting report he sounded like the Kyle Boller with Intangibles, ya he can throw the ball far, he has good size and can run fast but decision making is bad.










This is what I read from Scotts scouting report, don't flip out on me saying "you haven't seen a game of his shut up, he had no talent around him he will lead the Bronco's to the superbowl and have several all-pro seasons"

The Unseen
07-19-2006, 04:51 PM
I favor East Coast/run the ball/vertical pass game offense

Do you say that because it's opposed to the West? Or do you have a reason?

The West Coast's opposite is the Air Coryell, which is from San Diego (the original WCO).

bearfan
07-19-2006, 05:11 PM
Definantly Cutler. Plumber like said is past his prime, and you dont build a team around a QB that will only be in the league for at least 3 years.

Cutler = Farve

Who wouldnt want to build around him (either one)? Cutler has the intangibles to be a good QB in the NFL.

bigbluedefense
07-19-2006, 05:11 PM
I favor East Coast/run the ball/vertical pass game offense

Do you say that because it's opposed to the West? Or do you have a reason?

The West Coast's opposite is the Air Coryell, which is from San Diego (the original WCO).

I thought (I could be wrong) that classic East Coast offense was built around running the ball like heck, and coupling that with PA vertical passes ala Pittsburgh. Lombardi set that tone with the Giants when he was our offensive coordinator, im sure it was around far before him. But being that football started in college waaay back in the day and the east coast had more colleges, and back then all they did was run, i always thought that the old school offense was simply known as East coast offense, and west coast offense being designed as a ying to east coast's yang. I could be wrong.

President
07-19-2006, 05:29 PM
Cutler, Plummer is garbage.

07-19-2006, 06:13 PM
Jake Plummer duh, why wouldnt you want a 32 year old QB who cant win big games for your franchise?

jackalope
07-19-2006, 07:23 PM
you don't build a team around a QB over 30.

ninerfan
07-19-2006, 07:31 PM
I took Cutler but gee the snake is a bloody good QB as well. Why are we all writing him off?

Shiver
07-19-2006, 07:43 PM
Jake Plummer is always disrespected, it's insanity.

Staubach12
07-19-2006, 08:06 PM
Cutler had one of the worst supporting casts in college football. He had the worst line, so he had a very short time to throw. He also had bad WRs, so he had to put the ball in small windows. Isn't that what the NFL is all about? Less time and smaller windows. He'll be fine.

smittyjs
07-19-2006, 08:08 PM
Jay Cutler future MVP

smittyjs
07-19-2006, 08:10 PM
Cutler is like a recently drafted version of Plummer. He doesn't know how to win, yet has good measureables.

You can't say that, Cutler did really have a great team around him and he played in the hardest conference in the NCAA.

M.O.T.H.
07-19-2006, 08:14 PM
Jay Cutler = Kyle Boller

Did you read my The Real Jay Cutler thread back in the day?

njx9
07-19-2006, 08:15 PM
Cutler is like a recently drafted version of Plummer. He doesn't know how to win, yet has good measureables.

:?

i mean, he sure hasn't won any NFL games yet, but i always sort of figured you'd let a guy at least PLAY one before saying he can't win.

Denver Bronco99
07-19-2006, 10:37 PM
Cutler is like a recently drafted version of Plummer. He doesn't know how to win, yet has good measureables.

some of the best QB of all time by your standards didnt know how to win....John Elway stanford had losing season all through his college carrer, Farve...losing College team...and Marino was on a losing team...


but you are right he is just like plummer...besides that he can throw about 30 yards farther, and is not half the scramble plummer is

Jensen
07-19-2006, 10:42 PM
Definitely Jay Cutler. Plummer is getting up there in age.

RCAChainGang
07-19-2006, 10:44 PM
I voted Jay cause he is young and has lots of potential and Jake has shown his first great season and hes gettin old I mean if he wants to he could play a lot more like peyton who said he wanted to play like 16 years, I think jay will get better faster, but i can see jay coming out like Jake plummer.

Immaculate Tackle
07-19-2006, 11:31 PM
Jake Plummer in 2005 = Kordell Stewart in 2001. Next year he'll remind everyone who he really is.

Denver Bronco99
07-19-2006, 11:33 PM
Jake Plummer in 2005 = Kordell Stewart in 2001. Next year he'll remind everyone who he really is.

but Plummer has never sucked in Denver hence why the only QB with more wins over the time he has been in denver is Payton manning....

Staubach12
07-19-2006, 11:54 PM
Cutler is like a recently drafted version of Plummer. He doesn't know how to win, yet has good measureables.

some of the best QB of all time by your standards didnt know how to win....John Elway stanford had losing season all through his college carrer, Farve...losing College team...and Marino was on a losing team...


but you are right he is just like plummer...besides that he can throw about 30 yards farther, and is not half the scramble plummer is

Cutler has deceptive speed, he can scramble pretty well, but you're right that he's not on the same level as jake.

Shiver
07-20-2006, 01:47 AM
Jake Plummer in 2005 = Kordell Stewart in 2001. Next year he'll remind everyone who he really is.


This doesn't make any sense to me.

Arizona;

90 Touchdowns
114 Interceptions

Denver;

60 Touchdowns
34 Interceptions

Are you implying he's, unexpectedly, going to return to his Arizona days, with one of the best supporting casts in the NFL? :roll: :shock:

Splat
07-20-2006, 10:19 AM
Jay Cutler = Kyle Boller

Did you read my The Real Jay Cutler thread back in the day?

No.

boknows34
12-31-2013, 05:32 AM
I'd take Plummer.

It took 7 years to make your mind up?

FUNBUNCHER
12-31-2013, 05:53 AM
Cutler and the Bears O scored enough points to win against GB.

Place blame where it belongs, on the Bears putrid defense.

Matthew Jones
12-31-2013, 08:42 AM
This topic reminded me that Jake Plummer has won more playoff games than Jay Cutler.

the_legend_killer
12-31-2013, 10:14 AM
Geez, when does the "If Jeff Hostetler played for the Patriots now he'd be a hall of famer" thread get bumped. Did that thread ever exist?

Job Reborn
12-31-2013, 11:43 AM
I miss Jake Plummer.

CC.SD
12-31-2013, 11:49 AM
I miss Jake Plummer.

Don't worry about ol Jake, he's doing just fine.

Ness
12-31-2013, 11:56 AM
This topic reminded me that Jake Plummer has won more playoff games than Jay Cutler.

I think they each have one victory in the playoffs.

CC.SD
12-31-2013, 11:59 AM
I think they each have one victory in the playoffs.

He got a playoff win as a Cardinal I remember, that and the Bronco AFC Championship game run is 2 at least.

Monomach
12-31-2013, 12:14 PM
Jake Plummer has played in six playoff games. He was good in exactly one of them, which was a loss. He does have two playoff wins. He played badly in both of them, but his defenses held his opponents to 7 points and 13 points in those games, so Jake Plummer = winnar!

This is why people who use QB W-L records for anything are just being a Mr. Sillypants.

Ness
12-31-2013, 12:26 PM
He got a playoff win as a Cardinal I remember, that and the Bronco AFC Championship game run is 2 at least.

That is right. I forgot his playoff win as a Cardinal.

Iamcanadian
12-31-2013, 12:38 PM
Definantly Cutler. Plumber like said is past his prime, and you dont build a team around a QB that will only be in the league for at least 3 years.

Cutler = Farve

Who wouldnt want to build around him (either one)? Cutler has the intangibles to be a good QB in the NFL.

I agree, if he doesn't miss 5 games, Chicago might be in the playoffs and we wouldn't be having this conversation. Plummer didn't have a pro arm but got by on his mobility, not the type of QB I'd want to build a franchise around.

Job Reborn
12-31-2013, 12:52 PM
I agree, if he doesn't miss 5 games, Chicago might be in the playoffs and we wouldn't be having this conversation. Plummer didn't have a pro arm but got by on his mobility, not the type of QB I'd want to build a franchise around.

Huh? McCown played as good/better than Cutler ever did in those games. I doubt it would have changed anything.

Nameless Ghoul
01-01-2014, 05:47 PM
Jake the Snake was apart of one the greatest play calls ever.

Broncos were up on the Raiders by 3, in was near the end of the first half, Denver had the ball on there own 20 or so... What appeared to be a simple dive play to run out the clock. Turned into a bootleg to the right and a 80 yard TD to Rod Smith, it was insane. Not one Raider on defense knew that was coming. It was brilliant.

The Alex
01-01-2014, 07:17 PM
Did someone really just bump a 7 year old thread?

Ness
01-01-2014, 07:49 PM
Jake the Snake was apart of one the greatest play calls ever.

Broncos were up on the Raiders by 3, in was near the end of the first half, Denver had the ball on there own 20 or so... What appeared to be a simple dive play to run out the clock. Turned into a bootleg to the right and a 80 yard TD to Rod Smith, it was insane. Not one Raider on defense knew that was coming. It was brilliant.

I believe that was a Sunday Night game on ESPN. In the snow.

I just got my hands on a classic Plummer game last night. 2004 Broncos at Titans. Mike Shanahan acquired his 100th victory and Ruben Droughns blased for over 100 yards that night I believe. Too bad that second would end in a second straight blowout to the Colts in the playoffs.