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JDRaymond
07-25-2006, 04:15 AM
Dont get me wrong Aj Hawk is and will be a solid linebacker but something tells me that Bobby C is just going to be better. I think the few years he has with parcells will teach him good and i just see him going on to be one of the best linebackers each year he is in the league.

CGF 216/137
07-25-2006, 07:38 AM
Schlegel :wink:

07-25-2006, 07:53 AM
If carpenter was expected to be better then he would have been picked b4 hawk.

Jughead10
07-25-2006, 08:14 AM
Schlegel :wink:

He is going to be a beast in a 3-4 defense. Give it a year or two. He is what Charlie Weis would call "all day tough".

CGF 216/137
07-25-2006, 08:22 AM
Schlegel :wink:

He is going to be a beast in a 3-4 defense. Give it a year or two. He is what Charlie Weis would call "all day tough".

yeah i really like all 3 but Hawk is my favorite by far.

keylime_5
07-25-2006, 08:38 AM
I don't think any linebacker in the league can say they are better than AJ in a couple years. Carpenter is good, but he never was/will be what Hawk is

ny10804
07-25-2006, 08:41 AM
I'll take Aaron James over Robert.

draftguru151
07-25-2006, 08:44 AM
Carpenter>>>>>Hawk.

Carpenter is going to be so good in Dallas opposite Ware. Hawk will just be very average in Green Bay. Carpenter overall is such a better player.

O
07-25-2006, 09:01 AM
Hawk. You can call me a homer, but I wanted GB to draft Hawk back in October, so it'd be a chicken or egg type argument.

CGF 216/137
07-25-2006, 09:07 AM
Carpenter>>>>>Hawk.

Carpenter is going to be so good in Dallas opposite Ware. Hawk will just be very average in Green Bay. Carpenter overall is such a better player.

umm in what way shape or form is Carpenter better? :?

Eaglez.Fan
07-25-2006, 09:16 AM
Which one got drafted first?

draftguru151
07-25-2006, 09:23 AM
Carpenter>>>>>Hawk.

Carpenter is going to be so good in Dallas opposite Ware. Hawk will just be very average in Green Bay. Carpenter overall is such a better player.

umm in what way shape or form is Carpenter better? :?

In pretty much every aspect of football. Hawk is a great sideline to sideline player, but overall Carpenter can do more. Great blitzer, good coverage guy, very solid tackler, great size, very strong.

ny10804
07-25-2006, 10:01 AM
Carpenter>>>>>Hawk.

Carpenter is going to be so good in Dallas opposite Ware. Hawk will just be very average in Green Bay. Carpenter overall is such a better player.

umm in what way shape or form is Carpenter better? :?

In pretty much every aspect of football. Hawk is a great sideline to sideline player, but overall Carpenter can do more. Great blitzer, good coverage guy, very solid tackler, great size, very strong.

So why did every NFL team think differently?

draftguru151
07-25-2006, 10:03 AM
Carpenter>>>>>Hawk.

Carpenter is going to be so good in Dallas opposite Ware. Hawk will just be very average in Green Bay. Carpenter overall is such a better player.

umm in what way shape or form is Carpenter better? :?

In pretty much every aspect of football. Hawk is a great sideline to sideline player, but overall Carpenter can do more. Great blitzer, good coverage guy, very solid tackler, great size, very strong.

So why did every NFL team think differently?

:? Three lame arguments to counter your lame argument, how do you know EVERY NFL team thought he was better, NFL teams are never wrong, and it's my opinion. :roll:

ny10804
07-25-2006, 10:10 AM
Carpenter>>>>>Hawk.

Carpenter is going to be so good in Dallas opposite Ware. Hawk will just be very average in Green Bay. Carpenter overall is such a better player.

umm in what way shape or form is Carpenter better? :?

In pretty much every aspect of football. Hawk is a great sideline to sideline player, but overall Carpenter can do more. Great blitzer, good coverage guy, very solid tackler, great size, very strong.

So why did every NFL team think differently?

:? Three lame arguments to counter your lame argument, how do you know EVERY NFL team thought he was better, NFL teams are never wrong, and it's my opinion. :roll:

Pft. Every NFL team thought differently.

draftguru151
07-25-2006, 10:11 AM
I'm waiting for toonster to substantiate this rumour.

The Unseen
07-25-2006, 10:30 AM
You know, just because a player is taken later doesn't mean all NFL teams thought less of them. For example, the Raiders supposedly had Andrew Walter as the #1 QB on their board, but they took him in the third round. Why? Because other NFL teams thought differently, so the Raiders knew that they could get him there and not substantially reach on him.

This is an example of rounds, but it's true all throughout.

bigbluedefense
07-25-2006, 10:31 AM
I think all 3 will be studs. Ive said since the day the Jets got him, theyre gonna LOVE Anthony Schiegel. He is gonna be a beast in the 3-4. He was built for it. He will devour the run, he's basically a stand up DT.

AJ Hawk is gonna be a beast in GB. I think they should make him their MIKE, where he will have more of an impact in a 4-3 scheme, but as it stands hes a WILL I believe. He will have a solid career, I see him being a special player if he ever switches over to MIKE.

But the best out of the 3 imo is Bobby Carpenter. He can rush the passesr, stuff the run, cover TEs, line up at DE...he can do it all, and he can do it all at a high level. People don't realize, it was bc of Bobby Carpenters coverage/pass rushing skills that allowed Hawk to ballhawk the way he did. Carpenter never got the credit he deserved in Ohio. He can blitz better than hawk, his coverage skills are equal, his run stuffing ability is near equal, and he's much more versatile. That makes him a better player imo. And at the end of the day, his ability not only to cover well/stuff the run but also to rush the passer makes him a more valuable player. They'll both be great players, but Carpenter will be better.

And I find it funny how people use the argument that Hawk is better because he was drafted first. Thats real weak. So I guess Phil Simms was better than Montana bc he got drafted first? Or all the qbs picked ahead of Brady were better bc they were drafted first? Seriously, thats a weak argument.

jackalope
07-25-2006, 10:42 AM
AJ easily. he'll be a dominant LB for years to come. i say he gets DROY.

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
07-25-2006, 11:03 AM
If carpenter was expected to be better then he would have been picked b4 hawk.


If Clinton Portis was better he would have been drafted before William Green.

Gribble
07-25-2006, 11:07 AM
Carpenter is just much more of a 3-4 guy than Hawk and his value is in the system.

SuperMcGee
07-25-2006, 11:44 AM
I'd say its Hawk. After all, he did just marry Scott's future-sister-in law :wink:

DMWSackMachine
07-25-2006, 12:39 PM
Don't get me wrong, I would love for Bobby to be the man for my Boys, but if Hawk doesn't turn out to be a top 3 LB in this league then my faith in scouting and pro personnel people will be permanently shot. This guy had more hype coming out of college than any other LB that I can remember with the possible exception of LaVar. He certainly should win this one.

That said, I had to represent my boy Bobby. I am excited about his future, but a little disturbed that he wasn't projected as a solid mid-first guy. I hope you guys are right.

draftguru151
07-25-2006, 12:42 PM
Carpenter>Jason Allen. :cry:

TitleTown088
07-25-2006, 12:45 PM
i think bolth will be great. but i gotta give the nod to hawk especially with his freakish work ethic and feel for the game.

Staubach12
07-25-2006, 02:10 PM
Opposing offenses will go off in the corner and cut themselves after 10 minutes with our LBs. Bobby will be very good oposite of Ware. I'll be a homer and take Bobby.

Shane P. Hallam
07-25-2006, 02:26 PM
I think Parcells + Carpenter is a great match. Parcells will get the best out of him and really make him a force. That being said, Hawk is just a beast and will be a leader of that defense. Hawk just edges out Carps.

PMac
07-25-2006, 02:33 PM
AJ

johbur
07-25-2006, 03:50 PM
Carpenter>>>>>Hawk.

Carpenter is going to be so good in Dallas opposite Ware. Hawk will just be very average in Green Bay. Carpenter overall is such a better player.

Whatever.

Carpenter is bigger. That's the only thing he has on Hawk. In every quantifiable area, Hawk>>>>>Carpenter. Look at their collegiate numbers, and their combine numbers. AJ Hawk held down the WLB spot at OSU prior to Carpenter coming, not vice versa. How many teams ran plays at AJ Hawk's side versus running plays at Carpenter's side?

draftguru151
07-25-2006, 07:18 PM
Carpenter>>>>>Hawk.

Carpenter is going to be so good in Dallas opposite Ware. Hawk will just be very average in Green Bay. Carpenter overall is such a better player.

Whatever.

Carpenter is bigger. That's the only thing he has on Hawk. In every quantifiable area, Hawk>>>>>Carpenter. Look at their collegiate numbers, and their combine numbers. AJ Hawk held down the WLB spot at OSU prior to Carpenter coming, not vice versa. How many teams ran plays at AJ Hawk's side versus running plays at Carpenter's side?

:shock: Good job scouting by numbers and not actually watching players, and it's pretty obvious you didn't watch them much because you think Hawk is better at every aspect of the game. :?

bearsfan_51
07-25-2006, 07:22 PM
AJ Hawk and it's not even close. Hawk is the closest thing to Brian Urlacher since Brian Urlacher.

TitleTown088
07-25-2006, 08:55 PM
AJ Hawk and it's not even close. Hawk is the closest thing to Brian Urlacher since Brian Urlacher.

except he's gonna be even better... 8)

Shane P. Hallam
07-25-2006, 09:18 PM
Carpenter>>>>>Hawk.

Carpenter is going to be so good in Dallas opposite Ware. Hawk will just be very average in Green Bay. Carpenter overall is such a better player.

Whatever.

Carpenter is bigger. That's the only thing he has on Hawk. In every quantifiable area, Hawk>>>>>Carpenter. Look at their collegiate numbers, and their combine numbers. AJ Hawk held down the WLB spot at OSU prior to Carpenter coming, not vice versa. How many teams ran plays at AJ Hawk's side versus running plays at Carpenter's side?

:shock: Good job scouting by numbers and not actually watching players, and it's pretty obvious you didn't watch them much because you think Hawk is better at every aspect of the game. :?

Yeah, if anyone thinks Hawk is better at everything, they are wrong. Both are really talented, and most would tell you Carpenter does the hard stuff while Hawk just goes after the ball. But both translate to the NFL well...

raiderfan_89
07-25-2006, 11:34 PM
you guys seen I made like 3 Hawk/Raider sigs,I never lost hope.I do want to see him succeed though.

Shane P. Hallam
07-26-2006, 01:07 AM
you guys seen I made like 3 Hawk/Raider sigs,I never lost hope.I do want to see him succeed though.

But you can't go wrong with a Tatum sig...

no love
07-26-2006, 02:51 AM
Carpenter>>>>>Hawk.

Carpenter is going to be so good in Dallas opposite Ware. Hawk will just be very average in Green Bay. Carpenter overall is such a better player.

Whatever.

Carpenter is bigger. That's the only thing he has on Hawk. In every quantifiable area, Hawk>>>>>Carpenter. Look at their collegiate numbers, and their combine numbers. AJ Hawk held down the WLB spot at OSU prior to Carpenter coming, not vice versa. How many teams ran plays at AJ Hawk's side versus running plays at Carpenter's side?

:shock: Good job scouting by numbers and not actually watching players, and it's pretty obvious you didn't watch them much because you think Hawk is better at every aspect of the game. :?

Yeah, if anyone thinks Hawk is better at everything, they are wrong. Both are really talented, and most would tell you Carpenter does the hard stuff while Hawk just goes after the ball. But both translate to the NFL well...

I don't think anyone thinks Hawk is better than Carpenter at everything, that is ridiculous.

The main determinant in how good each player is depends on their fit for the scheme. For instance you put Hawk as the Mike or the Will in the cover two and just watch him be a perrenial pro bowler, he has the athleticism, cover skills, solid tackling, and instincts for it. But if they need him to bring the pressure and stack at the TE I don't think he will be nearly as effective taking on blockers at Mike.

As for Carpenter, I think he already has all the tools for the 3-4 its just going to be a question of whether he can put everything together and learn the scheme. He won't have nearly the responsibility of Hawk on that stacked Cowboys unit and will have the luxory of easing into his role.

But i think Hawk will be the better player this year and for the future...He just has crazy instincts (the most important thing for a NFL linebacker) and e is a great leader for a D in need of those.

Pack_Attack_4
07-26-2006, 11:08 AM
AJ HAwk= DROY

detroit4life
07-26-2006, 11:55 AM
doesn't matter who is better between those two ernie sims is better then both of them

TitleTown088
07-26-2006, 12:08 PM
doesn't matter who is better between those two ernie sims is better then both of them

sure he is. Keep telling yourself that.

Shane P. Hallam
07-26-2006, 12:25 PM
doesn't matter who is better between those two ernie sims is better then both of them

I like Ernie, but at least one of Hawk or Carpenter will have a better career than Sims...

Smooth Criminal
07-26-2006, 12:32 PM
If Carpenter went to a 4-3 team it would be easy to say that Hawk would do better. I think Carpenter is going to excel in the 3-4 with several other strong LBs around him. Hawk will be good in GB, probably very good, but I think Carpenter will have a year almost as good as Merriman had this year.

Smooth Criminal
07-26-2006, 12:33 PM
doesn't matter who is better between those two ernie sims is better then both of them

I like Ernie, but at least one of Hawk or Carpenter will have a better career than Sims...

I'll say they both have a better career than Sims.