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ny10804
08-02-2006, 12:01 PM
This stems partially from the ***Nick Barnett*** thread. Favre's TD/INT in 06 was 20/29. Daunte Culpepper's was 6/12 (in 7 games). Extrapolate that over a 16 game span, and it is 13.7/27.4.

My question, with Brett coming back from his worst year, and Daunte trying to come back from a serious knee injury -- who will have the better year in 07?

Vikes99ej
08-02-2006, 12:03 PM
Brett Farve.

08-02-2006, 12:04 PM
Daunte because he is a better QB right now and has a better supporting cast.

Staubach12
08-02-2006, 12:04 PM
Culpepper. Favre threw 5 picks in one practice a few days ago...wow.

cunningham06
08-02-2006, 12:08 PM
I like Brett Favre, but I think it's gonna be Daunte. He's got a receiver who's a vertical threat, maybe not as good as Randy Moss, but still good. Also he has a great tight end which he has never really had in Minnesota. Chris Chambers can stretch the defense, and Culpepper is a master of the deep ball, and if they cover deep he can get them across the middle with Randy McMichael. Also he finally has a good running game to take the pressure off of him, so I don't see why he won't have a good season.

Ace
08-02-2006, 12:09 PM
Favre is done in my mind and he's only hurting himself by playing another year. He's an INT machine and he doesn't have alot of talent around him like Culpepper does.

Ravens1991
08-02-2006, 12:30 PM
I like Brett Favre, but I think it's gonna be Daunte. He's got a receiver who's a vertical threat, maybe not as good as Randy Moss, but still good. Also he has a great tight end which he has never really had in Minnesota. Chris Chambers can stretch the defense, and Culpepper is a master of the deep ball, and if they cover deep he can get them across the middle with Randy McMichael. Also he finally has a good running game to take the pressure off of him, so I don't see why he won't have a good season.



agreed.

08-02-2006, 12:31 PM
Ughhhhhh... Do I have to choose?



Daunte > Favre
Dolphins > Packers

Smooth Criminal
08-02-2006, 12:35 PM
I'll take Culpepper anyday. He has a great WR in Chambers and a good TE in McMicheal. Plus Ronnie Brown in the backfield and Miami's line is better than Green Bay's. Everything looks good for Daunte to have a much better year than Farve.

drowe
08-02-2006, 12:41 PM
well, the Dolphins and Packers are my 2 favorite teams, so I hope they both succeed.

I think Culpepper will do well because he has a good supporting cast, including a great deep threat and an awesome recieving tight end.

and i think Favre will do better because he really couldn't do any worse than last year.

ny10804
08-02-2006, 12:47 PM
and i think Favre will do better because he really couldn't do any worse than last year.

The way I worded it in the poll is wrong -- "the" should replace "a". I realized this right after I posted, and edited it in the post, but someone had already voted, so I couldn't fix the poll.

President
08-02-2006, 03:24 PM
Daunte Culpepper

Draft King
08-02-2006, 03:28 PM
I'm going to say Culpepper has the much better comeback year seeing as the talent on his offense is far greater than that of the Packers, Chambers is a great vertical threat, you can always dump it off to Randy McMichael, and Ronnie Brown is an up and coming RB in the league.

08-02-2006, 03:43 PM
Jon Kitna >>> Both of them.

bearsfan_51
08-02-2006, 03:46 PM
A good year for Favre will be no concussions and the use of his motor function skills at the end of his career.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zjh75einvQ4&search=chicago%20bears%20brett%20favre

Just for fun.

johbur
08-02-2006, 03:59 PM
I think they'll both have better years than last year. Daunte has more proven players around him right now, particularly on the O-Line, and Ronnie Brown is a young terror, so Daunte likely to have a better year than Favre. Daunte will have a good enough year that all those Vikings fans saying they're glad Daunte is gone will only repeat that if they want to be the modern incarnation of the fox and the sour grapes.

Ace
08-02-2006, 04:02 PM
Jon Kitna >>> Both of them.

LMAO

You obviously are a homer or you dont know **** about your QB's.

08-02-2006, 04:05 PM
Jon Kitna >>> Both of them.

LMAO

You obviously are a homer or you dont know **** about your QB's.

Kitna actually could have a very good year and hes not a homer b/c hes a browns fan.

portermvp84
08-02-2006, 04:07 PM
Daunte Cupeper has alot better offense then Farve does right now.

Twiddler
08-02-2006, 04:09 PM
Daunte for this one.

P-L
08-02-2006, 04:26 PM
and i think Favre will do better because he really couldn't do any worse than last year.

The way I worded it in the poll is wrong -- "the" should replace "a". I realized this right after I posted, and edited it in the post, but someone had already voted, so I couldn't fix the poll.

Fixed.

08-02-2006, 04:30 PM
I like Brett Favre, but I think it's gonna be Daunte. He's got a receiver who's a vertical threat, maybe not as good as Randy Moss, but still good. Also he has a great tight end which he has never really had in Minnesota. Chris Chambers can stretch the defense, and Culpepper is a master of the deep ball, and if they cover deep he can get them across the middle with Randy McMichael. Also he finally has a good running game to take the pressure off of him, so I don't see why he won't have a good season.

Ace
08-02-2006, 04:30 PM
Jon Kitna >>> Both of them.

LMAO

You obviously are a homer or you dont know **** about your QB's.

Kitna actually could have a very good year and hes not a homer b/c hes a browns fan.

Well then I guess he doesn't know his QB's then. He's pretty dumb if he's gonna take a QB who had one good year over two QB's who have good years just about every year.

08-02-2006, 04:32 PM
Jon Kitna >>> Both of them.

LMAO

You obviously are a homer or you dont know **** about your QB's.

Kitna actually could have a very good year and hes not a homer b/c hes a browns fan.

Well then I guess he doesn't know his QB's then. He's pretty dumb if he's gonna take a QB who had one good year over two QB's who have good years just about every year.

I think Kitna will do really well in DET with Roy Williams, Mike Williams, Kevin Jones and Marcus Pollard. They should have a pretty good offense, the best in their division. He could easily put up the same numbers that Daunte does and if you knew anything about QB's you would know Kitna has had more than one good year.

08-02-2006, 04:32 PM
F A V R E

08-02-2006, 04:33 PM
F A V R E

S U C K S

08-02-2006, 04:46 PM
F A V R E

S U C K S


ya make senice - when the guys has the most starts and is like 10 games away from most wins and like a few td from the record and after this year will have the most yard ever your smart

08-02-2006, 04:48 PM
wow because his career numbers are so relavent as to how he will play this season.

08-02-2006, 04:49 PM
Career Passing Yards
1) Dan Marino 61,361
2) Brett Favre 53,615
3) John Elway 51,475
4) Warren Moon 49,325
5) Fran Tarkenton 47,003

Career Passing Attempts
1) Dan Marino 8,358
2) Brett Favre 7,610
3) John Elway 7,250
4) Warren Moon 6,823
5) Frank Tarkenton 6,467

Career Completions
1) Dan Marino 4,967
2) Brett Favre 4,678
3) John Elway 4,123
4) Warren Moon 3,988
5) Fran Tarkenton 3,686

Career Touchdown Passes
1) Dan Marino 420
2) Brett Favre 396
3) Fran Tarkenton 342
4) John Elway 300
5) Warren Moon 291

Career Wins as a Starting QB
1) John Elway 148
2) Dan Marino 147
3) Brett Favre 139
4) Fran Tarkenton 125
5) Johnny Unitas 119

Consecutive Games Started
1) Jim Marshall 270
2) Mick Tingelhoff 240
3) Bruce Matthews 229
4) Brett Favre 221
5) Jim Otto 210
5) Fred Cox 210
7) Gene Upshaw 207
8) Randall McDaniel 202
9) Doug Dieken 194
10) Len Hauss 192



GREEN BAY PACKERS RECORDS

Name Stat
Career Games Played
1) Brett Favre 223
2) Bart Starr 196
3) Ray Nitschke 190
4) Forrest Gregg 187
5) LeRoy Butler 181

Career Passing Yards
1) Brett Favre 53,615
2) Bart Starr 24,718
3) Lynn Dickey 21,369
4) Tobin Rote 11,535
5) Don Majkowski 10,870

Career Passing Attempts
1) Brett Favre 7,606
2) Bart Starr 3,149
3) Lynn Dickey 2,831
4) Tobin Rote 1,854
5) Don Majkowski 1,607

Career Completions
1) Brett Favre 4,678
2) Bart Starr 1,808
3) Lynn Dickey 1,592
4) Don Majkowski 889
5) Tobin Rote 826

Career Touchdown Passes
1) Brett Favre 396
2) Bart Starr 152
3) Lynn Dickey 133
4) Tobin Rote 89
5) Arnie Herber 66

08-02-2006, 04:50 PM
wow because his career numbers are so relavent as to how he will play this season.

you said and i quote: sucks

08-02-2006, 04:51 PM
wow because his career numbers are so relavent as to how he will play this season.

you said and i quote: sucks

right now he does. 29 INT's/

Ace
08-02-2006, 04:52 PM
Jon Kitna >>> Both of them.

LMAO

You obviously are a homer or you dont know **** about your QB's.

Kitna actually could have a very good year and hes not a homer b/c hes a browns fan.

Well then I guess he doesn't know his QB's then. He's pretty dumb if he's gonna take a QB who had one good year over two QB's who have good years just about every year.

I think Kitna will do really well in DET with Roy Williams, Mike Williams, Kevin Jones and Marcus Pollard. They should have a pretty good offense, the best in their division. He could easily put up the same numbers that Daunte does and if you knew anything about QB's you would know Kitna has had more than one good year.

Listen here dude. 2003 was Kitna's only good year. I know he had a 79 QB rating in 2002, but he still made alot of mistakes that year. 2003 season was his only year he actually helped his team out by winning games. So therefore he only had one good year.

08-02-2006, 04:55 PM
wow because his career numbers are so relavent as to how he will play this season.

you said and i quote: sucks

right now he does. 29 INT's/

when you have a line that opens up quicker then brown injury list opens

you have no wide out but driver

and 0% run game

what can you expects

if anyone else was behind center you may have seen 40ints

Smooth Criminal
08-02-2006, 05:03 PM
You know what the greatest part about this entire thread is?

The fact that noone that has voted Farve has given any good reason as to why he would do better the Culpepper. Go look at all the responses. They all just say Farve and nothing else.

Smooth Criminal
08-02-2006, 05:04 PM
wow because his career numbers are so relavent as to how he will play this season.

you said and i quote: sucks

right now he does. 29 INT's/

when you have a line that opens up quicker then brown injury list opens

you have no wide out but driver

and 0% run game


He's going to have all of those same problems this year aswell.

08-02-2006, 05:12 PM
wow because his career numbers are so relavent as to how he will play this season.

you said and i quote: sucks

right now he does. 29 INT's/

when you have a line that opens up quicker then brown injury list opens

you have no wide out but driver

and 0% run game


He's going to have all of those same problems this year aswell.


**********things favre did not have last year************

greg jennings - is gonna be a superstar

green - will be back

gado - may get his chance

nice defence - hawk / hodge / woodson / 2nd year collins / al harris not have to worry about the other side / better oline / 2nd year gardner - he will jump for his chance

johbur
08-02-2006, 05:15 PM
You know what the greatest part about this entire thread is?

The fact that noone that has voted Farve has given any good reason as to why he would do better the Culpepper. Go look at all the responses. They all just say Farve and nothing else.

Why he could do better than Culpepper: Favre has started 223 games without injury. Culpepper coming off major knee surgery. If Kimo Von Ohlwhatever goes after his knee and gives him the same late hit love he gave Palmer, then Favre will have the better year between the two. I've read a number of reports saying that Culp's 80-90% back, but if that 10% weakened knee takes a hit, then it is season over again.

Why Favre should have a better year than he had last year: New coach going back to the WCO he ran ten years ago amidst 3 MVP years, better interior line than last year (still not great, but will be better), RBs coming back from injury and if hey're hurt the back-ups Gado an Herron will have been through TC and able to have reps with him and the line, better WR situation than last year with draftees and FAs here at beginning of amp rather than UDFA's or FA's coming in mid-season and not having any timing down, better defense will give more opportunities and lessen pressure of him having to do it all himself.

The Packers might not win any more games than last year, but at least Favre'll have a full training camp with the current players and not have to be practicing with a different set of WRs, TEs, and RBs every single week like he had to do last year. Try to establish a timing passing game, or rhythm with your skill players when they change every single week, starting week 1.

I did vote for Culpepper to have the better year of the two, as I don't think you can predict injury or re-injury. If Chambers, McMichael, and Brown all go hurt like Favre's options went hurt last year, I don't think Daunte will have too good a year, neh?

Moses
08-02-2006, 05:18 PM
wow because his career numbers are so relavent as to how he will play this season.

you said and i quote: sucks

right now he does. 29 INT's/

when you have a line that opens up quicker then brown injury list opens

you have no wide out but driver

and 0% run game


He's going to have all of those same problems this year aswell.


**********things favre did not have last year************

greg jennings - is gonna be a superstar

green - will be back

gado - may get his chance

nice defence - hawk / hodge / woodson / 2nd year collins / al harris not have to worry about the other side / better oline / 2nd year gardner - he will jump for his chance

Favre has nobody to throw to still except for Driver. That's the biggest problem with the Packers this year. They have nobody proven to be a #2 or #3 receiver. Favre is going to struggle unless the running game really emerges.

08-02-2006, 05:33 PM
Favre has nobody to throw to still except for Driver. That's the biggest problem with the Packers this year. They have nobody proven to be a #2 or #3 receiver. Favre is going to struggle unless the running game really emerges.

Ahman Green had one bad year before that he had 5 1000 yards season

dont forget in 2003 he had over 2000 yards+ and 20tds

and was 117 rushings yards from 2000 yards

08-02-2006, 05:37 PM
Favre has nobody to throw to still except for Driver. That's the biggest problem with the Packers this year. They have nobody proven to be a #2 or #3 receiver. Favre is going to struggle unless the running game really emerges.

Ahman Green had one bad year before that he had 5 1000 yards season

dont forget in 2003 he had over 2000 yards+ and 20tds

and was 117 rushings yards from 2000 yards

You really expect him to do well with that line that YOU said was so horrible?

johbur
08-02-2006, 05:54 PM
Favre has nobody to throw to still except for Driver. That's the biggest problem with the Packers this year. They have nobody proven to be a #2 or #3 receiver. Favre is going to struggle unless the running game really emerges.

Look over his career. He has done well even when the GB receiving corp has not been sterling. the difference this year will be is that he has had the minicamps, OTAs and TC to get his timing down with his WRs and to know if and where they can get the ball. Three of the top four WRs went down last year due to injury and were replaced by the 5'7" Chatman and a host of street free agents that he'd never practiced with.

Rookies Greg Jennings and Cory Rodgers, FA's Rod Gardner and Marc Boerigter (two years back from severe injury) and Ruvell Martin, with Robert Ferguson now two years back from the Darius clothesline hit, are an ugly group of WRs to back up Donald Driver, but Favre will at least know their names when he goes into the huddle. Favre could still struggle, but with the WCO going back to what h ran in 1996 amidst multiple MVP honors, I expect him to do a lot better than last year's chuck-it-up INT fest.

Favre's WRs in
1995: Mark Ingram, Robert Brooks, Antonio Freeman, Terry Mickens, Anthony Morgan and Charles Jordan. I don't remember reading too much about how this group scared anyone. Probably why he won MVP as he posted the numbers and wins he did with these guys as his WRs.

1996: Robert Brooks, Antonio Freeman, Don Beebe, Desond Howard, Derrick Mayes, Terry Mickens. Due to injury, the Packers picked up Andre Rison, which was a great acquisition. This group more seasoned, Beebe a good 3rd WR and Desmond Howard a fabulous return man.

1997: Robert Brooks, Antonio Freeman, Don Beebe, Derrick Mayes, Bill Schroeder, and KR Roell Preston. Top three remained good. bottom three not so good.

Donald Driver > Freeman and = Brooks. The number two guy will hopefully be a healthy Robery Ferguson or a productive Rod Gardner. Jennings better than most of those guys, with favre saying he has the ability to find holes in zones like Freeman did, but Jennings has far better hands, though he is a rookie. Boerigter is a big target that had speed prior to his injuries, so we'll see if he has anything to offer, but he's better than Terry Mickens and Derrick Mayes and Bill Schroeder.

Favre's top three likely Donald Driver, Robert Ferguson and Rod Gardner. That's as good as in 1995.

yourfavestoner
08-02-2006, 06:12 PM
I don't care what excuses people make. Teams have dealt with injuries in the past. Hell, expansion team offenses are FAR worse than the offense the Packers fielded that year. The fact of the matter is that Favre had one of the worst seasons at quarterback in HISTORY. 29 interceptions. Take a step back and try to take that number in. 29.

But it wasn't his fault. It's okay that he repeatedly forces the ball into coverage. There were injuries to the offense. He was just trying to make something happen.

Throwing the ball to the other team 29 times is a great way of trying to make something happen. :roll:

TCU
08-02-2006, 06:24 PM
Unless Brett Farve throws 15 TD's to Cory Rodgers which probably wont happen ill say Culpepper.

Shiver
08-02-2006, 06:50 PM
Culpepper has a stellar supporting cast. With a Pro-Bowl Receiver, a good and underrated O-Line and a Stud in the backfield.


Favre on the other hand...


Ouch.

Draft King
08-02-2006, 06:53 PM
F A V R E

S U C K S


ya make senice - when the guys has the most starts and is like 10 games away from most wins and like a few td from the record and after this year will have the most yard ever your smart

What in the blue hell does senice mean??

Shiver
08-02-2006, 06:53 PM
Ahman Green had one bad year before that he had 5 1000 yards season.


Ahman was terrible, the past 1 and 1/2 seasons. It's been since November 14th of 2004, when he had his last 100 yard game. That's 12 straight games without a 100 yard performance. Not included in that timespan were 12 games he missed due to injury.

yourfavestoner
08-02-2006, 07:05 PM
F A V R E

S U C K S


ya make senice - when the guys has the most starts and is like 10 games away from most wins and like a few td from the record and after this year will have the most yard ever your smart

What in the blue hell does senice mean??

It means that children with down syndrome display more vernacular ability than 4.

GB12
08-02-2006, 07:10 PM
Favre has nobody to throw to still except for Driver. That's the biggest problem with the Packers this year. They have nobody proven to be a #2 or #3 receiver. Favre is going to struggle unless the running game really emerges.

Ahman Green had one bad year before that he had 5 1000 yards season

dont forget in 2003 he had over 2000 yards+ and 20tds

and was 117 rushings yards from 2000 yards

You really expect him to do well with that line that YOU said was so horrible?

4 has no credibility there are certin people on here that you should just not pay any attention to because they are either stupid or complete homers.

08-02-2006, 07:28 PM
Favre has nobody to throw to still except for Driver. That's the biggest problem with the Packers this year. They have nobody proven to be a #2 or #3 receiver. Favre is going to struggle unless the running game really emerges.

Ahman Green had one bad year before that he had 5 1000 yards season

dont forget in 2003 he had over 2000 yards+ and 20tds

and was 117 rushings yards from 2000 yards

You really expect him to do well with that line that YOU said was so horrible?

4 has no credibility there are certin people on here that you should just not pay any attention to because they are either stupid or complete homers.

gb ur one of the very few packers fans i like.

GB12
08-02-2006, 07:30 PM
Favre has nobody to throw to still except for Driver. That's the biggest problem with the Packers this year. They have nobody proven to be a #2 or #3 receiver. Favre is going to struggle unless the running game really emerges.

Ahman Green had one bad year before that he had 5 1000 yards season

dont forget in 2003 he had over 2000 yards+ and 20tds

and was 117 rushings yards from 2000 yards

You really expect him to do well with that line that YOU said was so horrible?

4 has no credibility there are certin people on here that you should just not pay any attention to because they are either stupid or complete homers.

gb ur one of the very few packers fans i like.

moses and like 2-3 others are the only ones I like so I understand

PACKmanN
08-02-2006, 08:11 PM
I hate to say this but Daunte Culpepper will do better. He has a way better supporting cast then he did in Minn and that right there you can tell he going to do well.

draftguru151
08-02-2006, 08:12 PM
Daunte, because he has a better team around him.

critesy
08-02-2006, 09:22 PM
F A V R E

S U C K S


ya make senice - when the guys has the most starts and is like 10 games away from most wins and like a few td from the record and after this year will have the most yard ever your smart

What in the blue hell does senice mean??

he needs to be banned.