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08-02-2006, 04:41 PM
if alex simth goes 6 games 10 int wih no td will the 49ers bench him and put Dilfer in ?

08-02-2006, 04:42 PM
Absolutely not, that would KILL Smith's confidence. If the 9ers start him opening day, he should start the rest of the season barring injury.

08-02-2006, 04:43 PM
no they wouldnt but he probably wont put up those numbers anyway

08-02-2006, 04:44 PM
no they wouldnt but he probably wont put up those numbers anyway

ok list his first 8 games stats

08-02-2006, 04:47 PM
no they wouldnt but he probably wont put up those numbers anyway

ok list his first 8 games stats

Smith is so unpredictable being so young, the point of predicting stats on a very young QB is meaningless.

johbur
08-02-2006, 05:06 PM
if alex simth goes 6 games 10 int wih no td will the 49ers bench him and put Dilfer in ?

They, might. But I wouldn't. I'd give him the full year, with a statement at the beginning that he'd only come out of a game or not start due to injury. I would not mess with his head, having him worry about coming out. If he wasn't able to do it over the course of the season, then you'd have to look at maybe Brady Quinn for next year and cutting your losses. Over the full course of the year, you should know whether he is the guy you want or not. If he is, then he needs all the reps he can get. If not, you need all those reps to see whether you've made a blunder and wasted your #1 overall and a whole lotta money along with it.

mcdlaxbonz13
08-02-2006, 05:10 PM
they would be smart and start dilfer then as soon as he starts playing like he did towards the end of the 05 season put alex in boosting his confidence, cause i still dont think he is NFL ready

Paranoidmoonduck
08-02-2006, 05:10 PM
If Alex Smith goes his first 6 games with 10 ints and zero touchdowns, the problem isn't just gonna be him sucking. Even terrible quarterbacks playing on mediocre teams put up markedly better numbers than that.

P-L
08-02-2006, 05:14 PM
You better believe they would start Dilfer. When you are 0-6 with 0 TD and 10 INT you're going to get benched. In the NFL it's all about winning now.

ninerfan
08-02-2006, 05:18 PM
You better believe they would start Dilfer. When you are 0-6 with 0 TD and 10 INT you're going to get benched. In the NFL it's all about winning now.

Yep, even though they need to develop Alex its not at the detriment of the team. Dilfer was brought in to guide Alex but if he needs to go he'll be ready.

yourfavestoner
08-02-2006, 05:54 PM
Absolutely not. It makes zero sense at all. I could understand the argument of putting in a veteran quarterback if they were competing for a playoff spot down the stretch, but they won't be. At this point, the 49ers aren't playing for this season. They're playing for the future.

yourfavestoner
08-02-2006, 05:55 PM
You better believe they would start Dilfer. When you are 0-6 with 0 TD and 10 INT you're going to get benched. In the NFL it's all about winning now.

I dunno. It's not like anybody has huge expectations of the team anyways. They're gonna be bad. You know it. I know it. Fetuses in the womb already know it.

pav
08-02-2006, 06:08 PM
smith has these tiny little hands that can't grip the nfl ball. unless he grows some new hands he will never be successful. The premier QB's have these big old hands ala Eli and Peyton and Brady.

Staubach12
08-02-2006, 08:16 PM
You've got your stats wrong. He threw 1 TD and 11 Ints in 9 games.

stephenson86
08-02-2006, 08:17 PM
4 you ask too many questions

SuperMcGee
08-02-2006, 08:18 PM
:cry: :cry: :cry:

4 Games for Losman!

Damn you Mularkey!!!

Paranoidmoonduck
08-02-2006, 08:31 PM
smith has these tiny little hands that can't grip the nfl ball. unless he grows some new hands he will never be successful. The premier QB's have these big old hands ala Eli and Peyton and Brady.

...and Daunte Culpepper. :wink:

P-L
08-02-2006, 08:52 PM
You better believe they would start Dilfer. When you are 0-6 with 0 TD and 10 INT you're going to get benched. In the NFL it's all about winning now.

I dunno. It's not like anybody has huge expectations of the team anyways. They're gonna be bad. You know it. I know it. Fetuses in the womb already know it.

In the NFL, you play to win. You don't play for best draft position. If it is apparant that Trent Dilfer gives this team a better chance to win, he'll start.

TCU
08-02-2006, 09:05 PM
No i say play Alex Smith, will the 49ers make the playoffs if he is in all season?

NO

will they make the playoffs is Dilfer is in?

No, so start the young Smith and let him get more experience.

yourfavestoner
08-02-2006, 10:09 PM
You better believe they would start Dilfer. When you are 0-6 with 0 TD and 10 INT you're going to get benched. In the NFL it's all about winning now.

I dunno. It's not like anybody has huge expectations of the team anyways. They're gonna be bad. You know it. I know it. Fetuses in the womb already know it.

In the NFL, you play to win. You don't play for best draft position. If it is apparant that Trent Dilfer gives this team a better chance to win, he'll start.

I'm not saying they'd be playing for the best draft position. Nolan isn't under tremendous amounts of pressure to win now, so he has no need no need to hinder the development of his franchise quarterback for a few meaningless wins in an already lost season.

Shiver
08-02-2006, 10:22 PM
I guarantee you, if Smith doesn't show flashes of brilliance, his days will be numbered. That said, I fully expect Smith to show small glimpses of good QB play.

Larry
08-02-2006, 11:12 PM
Absolutely not. It makes zero sense at all. I could understand the argument of putting in a veteran quarterback if they were competing for a playoff spot down the stretch, but they won't be. At this point, the 49ers aren't playing for this season. They're playing for the future.

Somebody that actually makes sense.

Larry
08-02-2006, 11:21 PM
smith has these tiny little hands that can't grip the nfl ball. unless he grows some new hands he will never be successful. The premier QB's have these big old hands ala Eli and Peyton and Brady.

Yeah Daunte Culpepper and Mike Vick have small hands and so do you think they've have had unsuccesful careers also?

jetvilma51
08-03-2006, 12:39 AM
No i say play Alex Smith, will the 49ers make the playoffs if he is in all season?

NO

will they make the playoffs is Dilfer is in?

No, so start the young Smith and let him get more experience.

exactly!

TCU
08-03-2006, 12:48 AM
i have a question about the small hands, i have a game used NFL ball and an official NCAA ball, the college ball is actually more "fat" than the NFL, the NFL ball seems more skinny and not as large so i always thought if you can grip an NCAA ball the pro ball is actually smaller, i might have a kicking ball so the size if off but does anyone have official measurements of both balls?

cunningham06
08-03-2006, 12:55 AM
smith has these tiny little hands that can't grip the nfl ball. unless he grows some new hands he will never be successful. The premier QB's have these big old hands ala Eli and Peyton and Brady.

Or Brett Favre, who has bigger hands than any of the people you mentioned. You don't have to have big hands to succeed, it just helps.

Borat
08-04-2006, 01:13 AM
smith has these tiny little hands that can't grip the nfl ball. unless he grows some new hands he will never be successful. The premier QB's have these big old hands ala Eli and Peyton and Brady.

This is actually quite incorrect. Alex and the Niners both refuted this. I believe this was some rumor written by a sportswriter after Smith's fumble problems last year. The truth was that Smith fumbled a lot in road games where the home team doesn't rough up the ball for the opposing quarterback like they do for the home team. This made the ball slippery for away QBs and they complained to the league about it. The NFL went as far as changing the rules to allow the away team to supply their own football for this coming year.

http://www.sacbee.com/content/sports/story/14252911p-15068937c.html

Smith's success or failure will be tied to the OLine. They couldn't give him time to look at anything more than 1 read last year. If they give him time, he won't be going 1 TD/11INT this year.

Iamcanadian
08-04-2006, 07:55 AM
Everybody was calling Eli a bust after his rookie year and he was a senior when drafted. Now Eli is well on his way to stardom. Smith started after entering the league as a junior. He'll probably take an extra year to develope and we won't know just how good or bad he is until his 3rd or 4th season. Smith has a real chance to be a superstar but he'll need time to reach his potential.
I really expect to see a vastly improved Smith this year. Not a star or even a solid NFL starter, but vastly improved nevertheless. However, if he got off to an absolute terrible start and it continue for about 6 games, he would no doubt be replaced and allowed to regain his composure. After another 4 games, he would be starting again until the end of the season. Whether or not Smith reaches his ceiling, nobody can tell. We probably won't see the real Smith until his 3rd or 4th season, but to judge him after his rookie year is for fools.

duckseason
08-04-2006, 08:04 AM
I think that when a team uses the #1 (or any 1st or 2nd rd) pick on a QB, they absolutely must give him at least 3 consecutive years of starting experience before they give up and start over. The job of an NFL QB is simply much too complex to expect a kid to come in and even be solid. Especially on a garbage team. I think the 49ers will surprise some people this year though. I think their lack of talent is exaggerated. They're capable of beating some teams. I predict Mike Nolan will be talked about as a top coach within the next 5 years, because people will look back to 2005 and marvel at how he turned this team into a winner.

Iamcanadian
08-04-2006, 08:28 AM
I think that when a team uses the #1 pick on a QB, they absolutely must give him at least 3 consecutive years of starting experience before they give up and start over. The job of an NFL QB is simply much too complex to expect a kid to come in and even be solid. Especially on a garbage team. I think the 49ers will surprise some people this year though. I think their lack of talent is exaggerated. They're capable of beating some teams. I predict Mike Nolan will be talked about as a top coach within the next 5 years, because people will look back to 2005 and marvel at how he turned this team into a winner.

I agree that Smith must be given time to develope, especially someone as raw as Smith. However, it is a myth to suggest that you cannot pull a young QB when things are going very, very badly without ruining his confidence. You can just as easily destroy a player's confidence by leaving him in when everything is going badly. Sometimes you need to take him out so his confidence isn't completely ruined and give him time to regain his composure.
I also agree that San Fran could be one of the suprise teams in the NFL this season depending on just how much Smith improves on his rookie performance. However I'm not completely sold on Nolan just yet. He reminds me some of Butch Davis, the ex Cleveland HC
who couldn't get along with a lot of his players and dumped them without much compensation. I feel this should be a make or break season for Nolan. I expect at least 7 or 8 wins and a lot of improvement from Smith. Anything less and I'd have to wonder if Nolan is the guy. JMO.

The Legend
08-04-2006, 10:27 AM
how many yrs does dilfer have left in him?

Staubach12
08-04-2006, 10:29 AM
how many yrs does dilfer have left in him?

none

bigbluedefense
08-21-2006, 12:48 PM
Well....Alex Smith had a horrible 2nd preseason game. Im still not ready to write him off yet. Its my personal belief that you must give any qb 4 years to prove his worth. So to call the guy a bust if he disappoints this year as well is unfair. I will say however that I was never a big fan of him, and I still am not a big fan of him and I am expecting him to bust. But I cannot officially call him one until his 4th year.

And on a side note...

VD had 1 catch for 5 yards. So in 2 games, he had 1 catch for 5 yards...doesn't exactly sound like the guy who so many on this board are raving will change the TE position if you ask me. But its still too early for me to say "i told you so".

Larry
08-21-2006, 01:20 PM
VD can't throw it to himself, that's alex's job and he's not doing it very well.

GB12
08-21-2006, 01:23 PM
VD can't throw it to himself, that's alex's job and he's not doing it very well.

but no matter whos throwing it they arent going to win so let smith start.

The Fat Kid
08-21-2006, 01:49 PM
it would be jp losman all over again

ninerfan
08-21-2006, 03:58 PM
it would be jp losman all over again

Please dont say that - what have we ever done to you ?

Shiver
08-21-2006, 04:24 PM
Smith has the talent, intelligence and the intangibles. He just needs to pick up the speed of the NFL game. Going from the Mountain West, and a shotgun offense to the NFL, it's understandable that the learning curve is incredible. I think he'll be a good NFL QB, in time.

sweetness34
08-21-2006, 05:00 PM
You gotta let the kid play. No offense to any 49er fans on here but they aren't going anywhere this season. They're still years away from a playoff berth IMO.

You have to let him play, that's the only way he's going to get better. He needs reps as a starter. You're going to have to accept the good with the bad this season because he is inexperienced and he'll need more time to reach his full potential. He'll look good like he did against Chicago, but he's also going to look bad at points this season.

But yea, you can't bench him, I mean unless he's absolutely horrid. Which I doubt will happen.

portermvp84
08-21-2006, 05:05 PM
If they start Alex smith there asken for the number one pick next year.

Shiver
08-21-2006, 05:08 PM
What's the problem with that?

08-21-2006, 05:09 PM
If they start Alex smith there asken for the number one pick next year.

not really. smith has a lot of potential and even if they do pick first it will help smith if they take CJ

sweetness34
08-21-2006, 05:12 PM
If they start Alex smith there asken for the number one pick next year.

not really. smith has a lot of potential and even if they do pick first it will help smith if they take CJ

So you're not going to start your future QB just because you have the possibility they you're going to get the #1 pick. Alex won't get any better unless he starts and gets reps.

Even with Dilfer in there, it's not going to make much difference. They need more help than what Dilfer could give them.

08-21-2006, 05:13 PM
If they start Alex smith there asken for the number one pick next year.

not really. smith has a lot of potential and even if they do pick first it will help smith if they take CJ

So you're not going to start your future QB just because you have the possibility they you're going to get the #1 pick. Alex won't get any better unless he starts and gets reps.

Even with Dilfer in there, it's not going to make much difference. They need more help than what Dilfer could give them.

i didnt say he shouldnt start :?

RCAChainGang
08-21-2006, 06:13 PM
I say kepp alex in cuz dilfers not gonna help at all. There both gonna suck.