kobe or lebron?

[kennethnyg]

i love lebron but kobe has been having a better season

[AlexDown]

I choose, both.

[Jimmy]

lebron needs to be assigned a "lebron-stopper" to be considered that good.

if lebron isnt good enough yet to get into the playoffs and get trash talked by reuben patterson, he isnt close to kobe.

[moc182]

I like Lebron more and would have picked him last year but Kobe has taken his game to another level while James has regressed alot. It pains me to watch Lebron now cause he used to look like the next Magic Johnson, now he's just another chucker.

[YAYareaRB]

Give em a couple years. Kobe, right when he was drafted was sent to a team where the demand was big and he had to grow and progress his game alot faster. LeBron is on a team where they are just happy to have him, they getting better but slowly, where as Kobe was drafted to a team who was to be known as one of the best Dynasties in NBA history.

A Perfect example would be Dwayne Wade. You on a team with some ballers, your gonna have to step your game up.

LEbron, he took a sorry team in his rookie year almost to the playoffs. And Remember, when Kobe was 21 he was nowhere near the production LEbron is putting up Right now, and Lebron is not even a finished product.

[JPLUFF]

Count the championship rings.

[njx9]

Count the championship rings.

then count the record after shaq left.

kobe's sure elevated that team by himself. :roll:

[DawgPound]

Count the championship rings.

Yeah, Kobe did that with Shaq.

Lebron almost took a team, that was the worst in the league, to the playoffs the following season. That's pretty impressive. The Lakers won't be the same without a dominating big man such as Shaq. They're in the playoffs with Kobe, but barely.

[P-L]

I'll take LeBron.

- Took the worst team in the league to within 2-3 games of the play-offs in his rookie year.
- Averages 30.8 ppg (compared to Kobe's 34.8) but 6.6 assists, while Kobe only averages 4.6.
- Less talent around him, better record, in the tougher division.
- LeBron is 21, Kobe is 27.
- For those of you who say Kobe and his rings, count the rings he had when he was 21.

[DawgPound]

I'll take LeBron.

- Took the worst team in the league to within 2-3 games of the play-offs in his rookie year.
- Averages 30.8 ppg (compared to Kobe's 34.8) but 6.6 assists, while Kobe only averages 4.6.
- Less talent around him, better record, in the tougher division.
- LeBron is 21, Kobe is 27.
- For those of you who say Kobe and his rings, count the rings he had when he was 21.

Very good points. However, I wouldn't necessarly say that LeBron has less talent around him. Big Z has made the All-Star game before. Eric Snow isn't great, but is solid. Same thing as Drew Gooden. Larry Hughes was a big difference maker for Cleveland. They're not too hot right now, and guess what... Hughes is out for the season. Hopefully he's back in time for the playoffs. Unless the Cavs complete miss the playoffs once again this seaosn. :roll:

[Keak Thee Sneak]

Kobe is far better right now. People say Kobe is selfish, yet he has no other good-great player to help him, and every team needs more then one. We all know how he does with another great player to help him though (3 Rings hoe).

[Moses]

Kobe is clearly the better player right now. LeBron could eventually be better than Kobe, but he's going to need a partner in crime (Jordan had Pippen, Kobe had Shaq). It tough for a player like LeBron who excels when he's passing the ball when he has no major talents on his team.

[steelcity86]

kobes got the championships so hes better at the moment, but lebron is young and talented and has a great future ahead of him

[CW99]

I'll take LeBron.

- Took the worst team in the league to within 2-3 games of the play-offs in his rookie year.
- Averages 30.8 ppg (compared to Kobe's 34.8) but 6.6 assists, while Kobe only averages 4.6.
- Less talent around him, better record, in the tougher division.
- LeBron is 21, Kobe is 27.
- For those of you who say Kobe and his rings, count the rings he had when he was 21.

-You know your a sorry team when you can't make the Eastern Conference playoffs.

-How many rings does Bron have again?

[Eaglez.Fan]

Kobe no doubt

[njx9]

I'll take LeBron.

- Took the worst team in the league to within 2-3 games of the play-offs in his rookie year.
- Averages 30.8 ppg (compared to Kobe's 34.8) but 6.6 assists, while Kobe only averages 4.6.
- Less talent around him, better record, in the tougher division.
- LeBron is 21, Kobe is 27.
- For those of you who say Kobe and his rings, count the rings he had when he was 21.

-You know your a sorry team when you can't make the Eastern Conference playoffs.

-How many rings does Bron have again?

how many players of shaq's caliber has lebron played with and/or kobe won a ring without?

that's the supiedest argument i've ever heard (over and over in this thread). until kobe wins one essentially by himself or the cavs suck with two superstars it has zero validity.

[jetsfan3]

If I were starting a new franchise, LeBron easily. He is like 5 years younger and doesn't rape girls.

[Eaglez.Fan]

I'll take LeBron.

- Took the worst team in the league to within 2-3 games of the play-offs in his rookie year.
- Averages 30.8 ppg (compared to Kobe's 34.8) but 6.6 assists, while Kobe only averages 4.6.
- Less talent around him, better record, in the tougher division.
- LeBron is 21, Kobe is 27.
- For those of you who say Kobe and his rings, count the rings he had when he was 21.

-You know your a sorry team when you can't make the Eastern Conference playoffs.

-How many rings does Bron have again?

how many players of shaq's caliber has lebron played with and/or kobe won a ring without?

that's the supiedest argument i've ever heard (over and over in this thread). until kobe wins one essentially by himself or the cavs *********** with two superstars it has zero validity.

Okay it helped that he had shaq but all i have to say is 81 points!

[njx9]

I'll take LeBron.

- Took the worst team in the league to within 2-3 games of the play-offs in his rookie year.
- Averages 30.8 ppg (compared to Kobe's 34.8) but 6.6 assists, while Kobe only averages 4.6.
- Less talent around him, better record, in the tougher division.
- LeBron is 21, Kobe is 27.
- For those of you who say Kobe and his rings, count the rings he had when he was 21.

-You know your a sorry team when you can't make the Eastern Conference playoffs.

-How many rings does Bron have again?

how many players of shaq's caliber has lebron played with and/or kobe won a ring without?

that's the supiedest argument i've ever heard (over and over in this thread). until kobe wins one essentially by himself or the cavs *********** with two superstars it has zero validity.

Okay it helped that he had shaq but all i have to say is 81 points!

*shrug* and a 7 or 8 seed in the playoffs (which is, granted, better than lebron will have in a weaker conference, but no one mentions that, they just say "championship" over and over).

i'm unimpressed by a guy who is so ineffective at making his whole team better that he has to chuck up shots left and right because he's got no idea how to win a game any other way.

[raiderfan_89]

Give em a couple years. Kobe, right when he was drafted was sent to a team where the demand was big and he had to grow and progress his game alot faster. LeBron is on a team where they are just happy to have him, they getting better but slowly, where as Kobe was drafted to a team who was to be known as one of the best Dynasties in NBA history.

A Perfect example would be Dwayne Wade. You on a team with some ballers, your gonna have to step your game up.
but when kobe arrived was shaq winning rings yet ? no.shaq needed kobe vice versa.Your example makes no sense.Lebron was supposed to be the next Jordan but when Kobe came in he wasn't hyped as much and he definitely wasn't suppose to be as good as he is.Lebron couldn't win a championship with shaq.

[P-L]

Give em a couple years. Kobe, right when he was drafted was sent to a team where the demand was big and he had to grow and progress his game alot faster. LeBron is on a team where they are just happy to have him, they getting better but slowly, where as Kobe was drafted to a team who was to be known as one of the best Dynasties in NBA history.

A Perfect example would be Dwayne Wade. You on a team with some ballers, your gonna have to step your game up.
but when kobe arrived was shaq winning rings yet ? no.shaq needed kobe vice versa.Your example makes no sense.Lebron was supposed to be the next Jordan but when Kobe came in he wasn't hyped as much and he definitely wasn't suppose to be as good as he is.Lebron couldn't win a championship with shaq.

Yeah LeBron was supposed to be the next Jordan, but right now he is better than Jordan at this point in their careers. Right now while LeBron is putting up 30, 7, and 7 Jordan was playing college basketball. It's unfair to expect him to have put up Jordan-like numbers when he's 21. Jordan didn't put up Jordan like numbers until he was 23-24. I for one am not saying that LeBron will turn out to be better, or as good as, Jordan but you can't say he won't be for sure.

Lebron... easily.

[YAYareaRB]

You got to think about this. The reason why Kobe was not as productive as LeBron at age 21, Lebron has people like Verajao, Illgauskas, and co while Kobe had to share with SHAQ! Bottom Line...

_________________ <----Bottom Line

Kobe is better...muy better than Lebron!

Lebron can do one thing kobe can't. Pass

[slightlyaraiderfan]

Kobe...81 freaking points. Kobe is the closet thing to Jordan, now im not saying he's just as good..but he is almost there.

[jriles0522]

kobe has better sexual assault skills

[HawkeyeFan]

Kobe is far better right now. People say Kobe is selfish, yet he has no other good-great player to help him, and every team needs more then one. We all know how he does with another great player to help him though (3 Rings hoe).

[kennethnyg]

kobe has better sexual assault skills
so. were talking b-all here

[CalBears99]

Kobe's ego is too big and isn't good for your team.
LeBron James has made a huge impact for the Cavs. In his rookie season (2003-2004), the Cavs recorded 18 more wins than they did the season before James arrived. In his second year, James helped Cleveland achieve their first winning season in 7 years and almost got them into the playoffs. Right now, the Cavs are 37-29 because of him and are on their way to the playoffs. Kobe and the Lakers are just 34-33.
LeBron helps his team win more than Kobe does.
Plus, Kobe's a rapist.

[LSU Man]

Chris Paul :D

[newkwhy]

LeBron does not have quite the offensive arsenal that Kobe has. He also isn't nearly the same defender. And he also isn't a champion, let alone a three-time champion.

[Keak Thee Sneak]

Right on Newkster.

Anyways, GREAT game today, Lakers and Cavs. Flip Murray is a beast and I've been watchin him since his rookie year in Emerald City (thats when I moved out there). He's a real up and comer in this league. Watch for the Cavs in the playoffs, could stir some stuff up. Great game by Kobe though, can't believe they called that technical on him and didn't give him the foul. SO BIASED.

[dafujz]

I'll take LeBron.

- Took the worst team in the league to within 2-3 games of the play-offs in his rookie year.
- Averages 30.8 ppg (compared to Kobe's 34.8) but 6.6 assists, while Kobe only averages 4.6.
- Less talent around him, better record, in the tougher division.
- LeBron is 21, Kobe is 27.
- For those of you who say Kobe and his rings, count the rings he had when he was 21.

That was stupid, how may rings does LeBron have at 21?

[Moses]

Kobe Vs. Lebron happened today. Didn't catch the game but here are the statistics:

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6997/kobevslebron5at.jpg

[newkwhy]

Right on Newkster.

Anyways, GREAT game today, Lakers and Cavs. Flip Murray is a beast and I've been watchin him since his rookie year in Emerald City (thats when I moved out there). He's a real up and comer in this league. Watch for the Cavs in the playoffs, could stir some stuff up. Great game by Kobe though, can't believe they called that technical on him and didn't give him the foul. SO BIASED.

He was really getting mauled out there, just wasn't getting the calls. Cavs played him well in the second half, and once again, the Lakers had a terrible 3rd quarter. They have to be one of the worst 3rd quarter teams in the league, if not THE worst.

Win or lose, they were still going to keep that 8 seed. If we can make the playoffs, that's enough for me this season.

[paladin]

Who has better skills?

Kobe. When you can hit that long three with three defenders all-over you, and drive to the lane, and draw the foul like Kobe can...

[Keak Thee Sneak]

Kobe Vs. Lebron happened today. Didn't catch the game but here are the statistics:

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/6997/kobevslebron5at.jpg

Those minute totals seem off. I think Kobe played 45.

[Eaglesfan]

Count the championship rings.

Lebron was drafted onto a horrible team and almost brought them to the playoffs at 18 years old! He has only been in the league for 3 years, while Kobe has for 10 and had Shaq when he won those titles so thats a stupid statement u made.

I like Lebron because hes more a team player and still hasnt reached his full potential. I still like Kobe though, and I am being unbias since I used to live 5 minutes from Kobe Bryant.

[cheesehead10790]

This isn't even a contest.
-Kobe scored 81 points, 2nd only to Wilt's controversial 100 pt night.
-Kobe has 3 more rings than LeBron
-Kobe averages more pts this season than MJ ever did.
-Kobe has less talent surrounding him
-The Lakers have a much harder schedule than the Cavs

Kobe is THE best player in the NBA right now and might be the best to ever play eventually....

[Keak Thee Sneak]

This isn't even a contest.
-Kobe scored 81 points, 2nd only to Wilt's controversial 100 pt night.
-Kobe has 3 more rings than LeBron
-Kobe averages more pts this season than MJ ever did.
-Kobe has less talent surrounding him
-The Lakers have a much harder schedule than the Cavs

Kobe is THE best player in the NBA right now and might be the best to ever play eventually....

Don't be ignant. MJ averaged 37.1 PPG in 86-87 and 35.0 in 87-88.

[cheesehead10790]

Alright i was wrong about one of those but...

Kobe 35.4 05-06

thats more than 35.0...

[DeangeloHall21]

Kobe, hands down. Better shooter, more complete game, better defender. Everyone dogs Kobe as being a ballhog, but the Lakers have Odom(inconsistent) and...? And when he scored 81, he did it with only 46 shots. Wilt took 63. If Kobe puts up 63 shots in that game, he breaks 100. Kobe is the most explosive scorer in the league, and the closest player we have seen to Jordan. Sure, Lebron hasn't tapped his potential, but who says he will?

[Eaglesfan]

This isn't even a contest.
-Kobe scored 81 points, 2nd only to Wilt's controversial 100 pt night.
-Kobe has 3 more rings than LeBron
-Kobe averages more pts this season than MJ ever did.
-Kobe has less talent surrounding him
-The Lakers have a much harder schedule than the Cavs

Kobe is THE best player in the NBA right now and might be the best to ever play eventually....


Lebron was drafted onto a horrible team and almost brought them to the playoffs at 18 years old! He has only been in the league for 3 years, while Kobe has for 10 and had Shaq when he won those titles so thats a stupid statement u made.

I like Lebron because hes more a team player and still hasnt reached his full potential. I still like Kobe though, and I am being unbias since I used to live 5 minutes from Kobe Bryant.

You dont know how to read considering u posted right after me didnt you? Kobe has been in the league 7 more years then Lebron, it would be embarrasing for a 10 year pro to have less rings then a 3 year pro.

[cheesehead10790]

This isn't even a contest.
-Kobe scored 81 points, 2nd only to Wilt's controversial 100 pt night.
-Kobe has 3 more rings than LeBron
-Kobe averages more pts this season than MJ ever did.
-Kobe has less talent surrounding him
-The Lakers have a much harder schedule than the Cavs

Kobe is THE best player in the NBA right now and might be the best to ever play eventually....


Lebron was drafted onto a horrible team and almost brought them to the playoffs at 18 years old! He has only been in the league for 3 years, while Kobe has for 10 and had Shaq when he won those titles so thats a stupid statement u made.

I like Lebron because hes more a team player and still hasnt reached his full potential. I still like Kobe though, and I am being unbias since I used to live 5 minutes from Kobe Bryant.

You dont know how to read considering u posted right after me didnt you? Kobe has been in the league 7 more years then Lebron, it would be embarrasing for a 10 year pro to have less rings then a 3 year pro.

I know how to read, I'm just not interested in the garbage you posted.

[sweetness34]

Kobe is far better right now. People say Kobe is selfish, yet he has no other good-great player to help him, and every team needs more then one. We all know how he does with another great player to help him though (3 Rings hoe).

Whoa whoa Keak.."far better?" I don't know about that...LeBron still has a lot to learn but he's only in his 3rd year, and he's 6 years behind Kobe.

Kobe to me just doens't know when to take over a game and when to get his teammates involved. As I watch LeBron, he usually tries to get his teammates going during the first half and then he'll try and take over in the 2nd half.

[cheesehead10790]

Very true, but Kobe doesnt have teammates, well at least not any worth mentioning...

[Eaglesfan]

This isn't even a contest.
-Kobe scored 81 points, 2nd only to Wilt's controversial 100 pt night.
-Kobe has 3 more rings than LeBron
-Kobe averages more pts this season than MJ ever did.
-Kobe has less talent surrounding him
-The Lakers have a much harder schedule than the Cavs

Kobe is THE best player in the NBA right now and might be the best to ever play eventually....


Lebron was drafted onto a horrible team and almost brought them to the playoffs at 18 years old! He has only been in the league for 3 years, while Kobe has for 10 and had Shaq when he won those titles so thats a stupid statement u made.

I like Lebron because hes more a team player and still hasnt reached his full potential. I still like Kobe though, and I am being unbias since I used to live 5 minutes from Kobe Bryant.

You dont know how to read considering u posted right after me didnt you? Kobe has been in the league 7 more years then Lebron, it would be embarrasing for a 10 year pro to have less rings then a 3 year pro.

I know how to read, I'm just not interested in the garbage you posted.

How is it garbage??? Explain it to me, and first is it garbage that its a true fact that Kobe has been in the league 7 more years then Lebron and has had Shaq on his team the only times he has one a championship?? If thats garbage then saying "The Houston Texans have the 1st overall pick in the 2006 NFL Draft" is garbage because its a true statement einstein. Its also true that a player still can improve when he is only 21 years old am I right?

[Keak Thee Sneak]

Michael Jordan only won rings with Scottie Pippen.. so what! Everyone needs at least 2 great players.

[BC88]

Kobe is a more complete player right now, but I'd still take LeBron due to his age and potential. He still needs better shot selection, and give more effort on D though

[HawkeyeFan]

All Kobe critics can kiss may arse. He works hard day in and day out to try for an 8TH SEED SPOT in the playoffs. He doens't have Larry Hughes or Drew Gooden or Iglouskas or w/e. He has Kobe and on 1 out of every 8 games Odom. No one else that can back him up. He has to do everything. Phil makes dumb calls at times. Kobe hasn't complained all year and there is still hating. Until Lebron gets 3 rings or 2 or w/e Kobe is better.

[shavedaeyebrow2]

anyone who knows bball knows its kobe, currently kobe is better but lebron will be better in the future. Kobe is in his prime and kobe has taken his team to the playoffs and won championships. until lebron does that it's kobe

[shavedaeyebrow2]

All Kobe critics can kiss may arse. He works hard day in and day out to try for an 8TH SEED SPOT in the playoffs. He doens't have Larry Hughes or Drew Gooden or Iglouskas or w/e. He has Kobe and on 1 out of every 8 games Odom. No one else that can back him up. He has to do everything. Phil makes dumb calls at times. Kobe hasn't complained all year and there is still hating. Until Lebron gets 3 rings or 2 or w/e Kobe is better.
couldnt have said it better, i attempted to before but i like yours better

[Shiver]

The fact that this is even a question, makes it LeBron. At his age he is already amongst the elite ranks in the NBA. At some point, he will put up an average of a triple double in his career.

[Eaglesfan]

Michael Jordan only won rings with Scottie Pippen.. so what! Everyone needs at least 2 great players.

Well he basically played with Scottie Pippen the whole time he was in his prime. I like Kobe a lot but Lebron more based on what I said and that guy is retarted for saying a true fact like "Kobe only won championships with Lebron" and "Kobe has been in the league longer then Lebron" is garbage when there is nothing false to it.

I was saying that you cant compare rings with Lebron and Kobe because Kobe has been in the league a lot longer and came to a team as a rookie that was already very good unlike when Lebron was drafted 1st overall by the cavs.

[njx9]

:lol:

i love how all the people who keep saying "COUNT THE RINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!111" are so easily able to ignore the fact that lebron a) has yet to play with shaq (or someone of equal skill level) and b) has exactly as many rings at this point in his career as kobe did (zero, for those keeping score). it's moderately ridiculous to expect a player in his third season to be able to equal kobe's 3 rings already, and more so becuase kobe didn't get one until his fourth season.

give lebron shaq (or similar) next year, and if he fails to win a championship, you've got yourself a valid argument. until then, you just sound stupid.

[Eaglesfan]

:lol:

i love how all the people who keep saying "COUNT THE RINGS!!!!!!!!!!!!111" are so easily able to ignore the fact that lebron a) has yet to play with shaq (or someone of equal skill level) and b) has exactly as many rings at this point in his career as kobe did (zero, for those keeping score). it's moderately ridiculous to expect a player in his third season to be able to equal kobe's 3 rings already, and more so becuase kobe didn't get one until his fourth season.

give lebron shaq (or similar) next year, and if he fails to win a championship, you've got yourself a valid argument. until then, you just sound stupid.

Exactly what I said, talking about the first paragraph of yours.

[cheesehead10790]

Ok well in that case i dont want to hear the "Lebron has potential" argument. Until he proves he is as good as Kobe, no one can say he is. The poll didnt say who was better at 21...it said who has better skills, and at this point, Kobe does by a long shot.