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stephenson86
08-10-2006, 01:40 PM
This is too find out who you here aat NFLDC think would be most suited to cover deep

All FS's have been chosen for either their ability to shutdown, stop the run, tackle, cover, read plays

the options are as follows, if you think i have missed someone (i dont think i have) then tell me and if i think ur reason is valid enough i will add them

If a Position has two players on the field (WR, DE, DT, CB) then the top two players on the poll will be selected, wth the higgher of the two being the #1 and the lower being #2

QB - Tom Brady - New England Patriots (Runner Up - Peyton Manning - Indianapolis Colts)
RB - LaDainian Tomlinson - San Diego Chargers (Runner Up - Larry Johnson - KC Chiefs)
FB - Lorenzo Neal - San Diego Chargers (Runner Up - Tony Richardson - Minnesota Vikings)
WR - Larry Fitzgerald - Arizona Cardinals (Runner Up - Terrel Owens - Dallas Cowboys)
WR - Chad Johnson - Cincinnati Bengals (Runner Up - Marvin Harrison - Inidianapolis Colts)
LT - Walter Jones - Seattle Seahawks (Runner Up - Orlando Pace - St Louis Rams)
LG - Steve Hutchinson - Minnesota Vikings (Runner Up - Larry Allen - Dallas Cowboys)
C - Olin Kreutz - Chicago Bears (Runner Up - LeCharles Bentley - Cleveland Browns)
RG - Will Shields - KC Chiefs (Runner Up - Chris Naeole - Jacksonville Jaguars)
RT - Willie Anderson - Cincinnati Bengals (Runner Up - George Foster - Denver Broncos)
TE - Antonio Gates - San Diego Chargers (Runner Up - Jason Witten - Dallas Cowboys)
RE - Michael Strahan - NY Giants (Runner Up - Dwight Freeney - Indianapolis Colts)
DT - Shaun Rogers - Detroit Lions (Runner Up - John Henderson - Jacksonville Jaguars)
DT - Marcus Stroud - Jacksonville Jaguars (Runner Up - Kevin Williams - Minnisota Vikings)
LE - Julius Peppers - Carolina Panthers (Runner Up - Jason Taylor - Miami Dolphins)
WOLB - Keith Bulluck - Tennessee Titans (Runner Up - Derrick Brooks - Tampa Bay)
MLB - Brian Urlacher - Chicago Bears (Runner Up - Ray Lewis - Baltimore Ravens)
SOLB - Takeo Spikes - Buffalo Bills (Runner Up - Marcus Washington - Washington Redskins)
CB - Champ Bailey - Denver Broncos (Runner Up - Ken Lucas - Carolina Panthers)
CB - Deangelo Hall - Atlanta Falcons (Runner Up - Chris McCallister - Baltimore Ravens)
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VOTE AWAY

AND PLEASE NO HOMERISM, IF YOU VOTE AGAINST YOUR TEAMS FS IT WONT MEAN YOU GO TO HELL, IT JUST MEANS THAT YOU DONT THINK HE IS THE BEST FS

ADDITION
When DE's and OLB's are selected if the two winners/runners up are from the same side then I will decide who i believe will be best able too cope with a side switch.

ADDITION #2
Due too contravrtial circumstances Keith Brooking has not been awarded the runner up for WLB instead it has ben given too third place Derrick Brooks. This comes after twice Brooking recieved a mass influx of votes in a small period of time and P-L announcing someone had multiple accounts on the same IP. I made the decision too not award him the Runner Up. Any Problems PM me.

ADDITION #3
Due too a high influx of sudden votes Charles Woodson has been disqualified as a participant in the CB voting. Instead Chris McCallister has taken his spot.

ADDITION # 4
Despite a sudden influx of votes Tony Richardson was still awarded second place.

P.S. the only way that this can be successful is if you vote, please if you vote here check back when your on too see if a new poll has gone up, all votes are crucial as the more votes there are the more set in stone the voice of the voters will be :D

Thanks,
stephenson86

Jughead10
08-10-2006, 01:42 PM
I still think you should switch Strahan and Peppers sides. But my vote is for Dawkins.

Dillen
08-10-2006, 01:43 PM
Dawkins now, Taylor next year.

08-10-2006, 01:43 PM
this is no contest, taylor for sure.

stephenson86
08-10-2006, 01:45 PM
i was going too only put dawkins and taylor :lol:

Pit Bull #53
08-10-2006, 01:45 PM
Brian Dawkins

Jensen
08-10-2006, 01:49 PM
Brian Dawkins.

smittyjs
08-10-2006, 01:51 PM
Sean Taylor

Canadian_kid16
08-10-2006, 01:52 PM
this poll shouldn't be open very long...I say whoever gets to 20 first is the starter and thoe other guy is the backup

Splat
08-10-2006, 01:52 PM
I'am a Chiefs fan and Greg Wesley should not even be on the poll.

Splat
08-10-2006, 01:53 PM
Brian Dawkins

RyanLeaf#1
08-10-2006, 01:54 PM
Sean Taylor is a beast

cunningham06
08-10-2006, 01:57 PM
Brian Dawkins because he's better in coverage than Sean Taylor, is excellent in run support, is good at blitzing, has pretty much mastered every nuance of his position.

SuperMcGee
08-10-2006, 01:58 PM
B-Dawks

The Legend
08-10-2006, 02:17 PM
even thou Ed Reed should be here of course B Dawk

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cunningham06
08-10-2006, 02:21 PM
even thou Ed Reed should be here of course B Dawk

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When Ed Reed has a safety to play next to him, he is a Strong Safety, so he is where he belongs.

scar988
08-10-2006, 02:22 PM
Bryan Scott
he should not even be near this list. he was the main reason why our pass defense on the right side and the run defense woere so bad. teams would run to the outside so that they could flow to him and then he woudl miss the tackle and they woudl get 20 more yards. he can't read plays at all and is a horrible player since his consussion halfway through 2004.

The Legend
08-10-2006, 02:23 PM
even thou Ed Reed should be here of course B Dawk

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When Ed Reed has a safety to play next to him, he is a Strong Safety, so he is where he belongs.

i see him play more free safety but he is a tool that can play any postion so he is like every where on the field

lil lb / cb /s he can do any thing but i dont think the ravens follow like ss or fs i think they have there own postions in there crazy d

jackalope
08-10-2006, 02:24 PM
it's gonna be realy close between Taylor and Dawkins. i voter Taylor.

XxXdragonXxX
08-10-2006, 02:25 PM
Dwight Smith and Bryan Scott? OK, I don't wanna sound like a homer (ok, I don't care if I sound like a homer,) but Ken Hamlin should definately be on there above those guys.

08-10-2006, 02:28 PM
Bob Sanders should be on here over hamlin, scott and smith

cunningham06
08-10-2006, 02:29 PM
even thou Ed Reed should be here of course B Dawk

http://img236.imageshack.us/img236/8017/rpo6.png

When Ed Reed has a safety to play next to him, he is a Strong Safety, so he is where he belongs.

i see him play more free safety but he is a tool that can play any postion so he is like every where on the field

lil lb / cb /s he can do any thing but i dont think the ravens follow like ss or fs i think they have there own postions in there crazy d

Yes, but all the years in Baltimore when he was playing next to Demps he was playing SS, that's his natural position. Dawan Landry might start this season instead of Ward, and the Ravens might even play a 4-4 with one safety. This is beside the point but didn't you use to be Brian Dawkins?

The Legend
08-10-2006, 02:30 PM
Bob Sanders should be on here over hamlin, scott and smith
ya wtf he a top Safety

Here My list not in orderDawkins
Reed
Troy P
Sanders
Taylor

XxXdragonXxX
08-10-2006, 02:30 PM
Bob Sanders should be on here over hamlin, scott and smith

No, Bob Sanders should not be part of this poll. All he can do is hit.

08-10-2006, 02:32 PM
Bob Sanders should be on here over hamlin, scott and smith

No, Bob Sanders should not be part of this poll. All he can do is hit.

the same thing is said about roy williams but hes in the SS poll

XxXdragonXxX
08-10-2006, 02:34 PM
Bob Sanders should be on here over hamlin, scott and smith

No, Bob Sanders should not be part of this poll. All he can do is hit.

the same thing is said about roy williams but hes in the SS poll

Roy Williams can atleast cover a little bit, and he's a playmaker. Bob Sanders cant cover to save his life and he has no playmaking skills, at all.

08-10-2006, 02:36 PM
Bob Sanders should be on here over hamlin, scott and smith

No, Bob Sanders should not be part of this poll. All he can do is hit.

the same thing is said about roy williams but hes in the SS poll

Roy Williams can atleast cover a little bit, and he's a playmaker. BoB Sanders cant cover to save his life and he has no playmaking skills, at all.

thats a joke. sanders is a playmaker and his coverage is adequate. His coverage isnt that important. hes a safety not a corner. you cant possibly say that hamlin is better than sanders

XxXdragonXxX
08-10-2006, 02:40 PM
thats a joke. sanders is a playmaker and his coverage is adequate. His coverage isnt that important. hes a safety not a corner. you cant possibly say that hamlin is better than sanders

He's a playmaker? That's why he had 1 INT, 1 FF and 4 PDEF last year? Those are the stats of a playmaker?

Roy Williams had 3 sacks, 3 FF and 3 INTs and 10 PDEF last year...and he did that as an in-the-box safety.

And coverage isn't that important? Is that some sort of joke? The safeties are there to watch the CBs back, they also have to cover slot receivers and TE's all the time...of course, Bob Sanders is WAY too short to cover a tight end.

08-10-2006, 02:45 PM
thats a joke. sanders is a playmaker and his coverage is adequate. His coverage isnt that important. hes a safety not a corner. you cant possibly say that hamlin is better than sanders

He's a playmaker? That's why he had 1 INT, 1 FF and 4 PDEF last year? Those are the stats of a playmaker?

Roy Williams had 3 sacks, 3 FF and 3 INTs and 10 PDEF last year...and he did that as an in-the-box safety.

And coverage isn't that important? Is that some sort of joke? The safeties are there to watch the CBs back, they also have to cover slot receivers and TE's all the time...of course, Bob Sanders is WAY too short to cover a tight end.

coverage is important people make too big of a deal out of how important it actually is. Roy williams is a great safety but people attack him for being bad in coverage and say he isnt on par with the best in the league. Same with Dwight Freeney and his runstopping. hes the 2nd best DE in the nfl but people say hes not b/c of his run stopping ability. I get tired of hearing that crap, they're great players.

A playmaker is a player who can swing the momentum of a game. Sanders can do that with his big hits.

XxXdragonXxX
08-10-2006, 02:50 PM
Saying coverage isn't that important for a free safety is pretty much ridiculous.

08-10-2006, 02:51 PM
Saying coverage isn't that important for a free safety is pretty much ridiculous.

ARE YOU ******* ILLITERATE? I SAID ITS IMPORTANT BUT PEOPLE MAKE IT OUT TO BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN IT ACTUALLY IS. PLEASE READ SOMEONES POST BEFORE YOU RESPOND

XxXdragonXxX
08-10-2006, 02:54 PM
ARE YOU *********** ILLITERATE? I SAID ITS IMPORTANT BUT PEOPLE MAKE IT OUT TO BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN IT ACTUALLY IS. PLEASE READ SOMEONES POST BEFORE YOU RESPOND

You do know that free safety's are out there to cover WR's and TE's...right? That's what they do. Hitting and run support are secondary. It is more important that you can cover, and Bob Sanders cannot cover.

08-10-2006, 02:56 PM
ARE YOU *********** ILLITERATE? I SAID ITS IMPORTANT BUT PEOPLE MAKE IT OUT TO BE MORE IMPORTANT THAN IT ACTUALLY IS. PLEASE READ SOMEONES POST BEFORE YOU RESPOND

You do know that free safety's are out there to cover WR's and TE's...right? That's what they do. Hitting and run support are secondary. It is more important that you can cover, and Bob Sanders cannot cover.

ok you're an idiot. i said it was important and Sanders can cover, hes not great but hes adequate. Sanders is small but fits the Cover 2 perfectly and plays a lot taller than he is

XxXdragonXxX
08-10-2006, 02:57 PM
ok you're an idiot.

Surrender noted.

08-10-2006, 02:59 PM
ok you're an idiot.

Surrender noted.

great comeback to my actual post :roll:

XxXdragonXxX
08-10-2006, 03:01 PM
great comeback to my actual post :roll:

Once the arguement resorts to namecalling, it's over.

08-10-2006, 03:02 PM
great comeback to my actual post :roll:

Once the arguement resorts to namecalling, it's over.

or you just realized your point has not backing whatsoever and you're now trying save face.

Staubach12
08-10-2006, 03:02 PM
Lynch is my vote.

Dam8610
08-10-2006, 03:04 PM
To further prove that this laughable travesty is nothing but a joke, the 2005 AP All-Pro at the FS position was not included in the poll, while scrubs were.

XxXdragonXxX
08-10-2006, 03:06 PM
or you just realized your point has not backing whatsoever and you're now trying save face.

If you want to see the backing to my point, go look at the Colts pass defense last year, and then go look at Bob Sanders stats. The Colts allowed their opponents to complete 67.4% of their passes, that's the worst in the entire NFL, and Bob Sanders is part of that. He doesn't pick off passes and he doesn't knock passes down.

08-10-2006, 03:09 PM
or you just realized your point has not backing whatsoever and you're now trying save face.

If you want to see the backing to my point, go look at the Colts pass defense last year, and then go look at Bob Sanders stats. The Colts allowed their opponents to complete 67.4% of their passes, that's the worst in the entire NFL, and Bob Sanders is part of that. He doesn't pick off passes and he doesn't knock passes down.

You cant take the numbers of an entire secondary and act like that is one players doing b/c its not. the Colts secondary is very young and inexperienced and their main problems last year were Doss and Jason David not Bob Sanders. If Sanders was so terrible in coverage please explain to me why he made the pro bowl and all-pro teams?

XxXdragonXxX
08-10-2006, 03:11 PM
You cant take the numbers of an entire secondary and act like that is one players doing b/c its not. the Colts secondary is very young and inexperienced and their main problems last year were Doss and Jason David not Bob Sanders. If Sanders was so terrible in coverage please explain to me why he made the pro bowl and all-pro teams?

Of course it's not all Bob Sanders, but he obviously is not helping with his poor coverage skills, and his stats show that.

And he made the pro-bowl and the AP All-pro team for the same reason Vick was voted to the pro-bowl, he's OVERRATED.

08-10-2006, 03:14 PM
You cant take the numbers of an entire secondary and act like that is one players doing b/c its not. the Colts secondary is very young and inexperienced and their main problems last year were Doss and Jason David not Bob Sanders. If Sanders was so terrible in coverage please explain to me why he made the pro bowl and all-pro teams?

Of course it's not all Bob Sanders, but he obviously is not helping with his poor coverage skills, and his stats show that.

And he made the pro-bowl and the AP All-pro team for the same reason Vick was voted to the pro-bowl, he's OVERRATED.

Vick is a good QB and was rightfully put as the #3 qb in the pro bowl. You cant say that player who makes the pro bowl AND the all-pro team is undeserving cuz thats a hell lot of people supposedly overrating him

XxXdragonXxX
08-10-2006, 03:18 PM
Vick is a good QB and was rightfully put as the #3 qb in the pro bowl. You cant say that player who makes the pro bowl AND the all-pro team is undeserving cuz thats a hell lot of people supposedly overrating him

Sure I can, that's what makes him overrated, a bunch of people thinking he's one of the top safety's in the game.

And Vick didn't have the stats OR the wins to make the pro-bowl last year.

Dam8610
08-10-2006, 03:22 PM
Vick is a good QB and was rightfully put as the #3 qb in the pro bowl. You cant say that player who makes the pro bowl AND the all-pro team is undeserving cuz thats a hell lot of people supposedly overrating him

Sure I can, that's what makes him overrated, a bunch of people thinking he's one of the top safety's in the game.

So in other words, despite the fact that most people can plainly see the fact that Sanders had a very large impact on a vastly improved defense, and recognize this fact with accolades and awards, you're just going to continue to claim he's underrated because you think he's not the best coverage S? :lol: So is your best QB of all-time Matt Hasselbeck? After all, you don't use fact or logic in your arguments, just your opinion.

08-10-2006, 03:23 PM
Vick is a good QB and was rightfully put as the #3 qb in the pro bowl. You cant say that player who makes the pro bowl AND the all-pro team is undeserving cuz thats a hell lot of people supposedly overrating him

Sure I can, that's what makes him overrated, a bunch of people thinking he's one of the top safety's in the game.

And Vick didn't have the stats OR the wins to make the pro-bowl last year.

Actually the majority of people would say Bob Sanders is a top 10 NFL Safety. Just b/c people say that someone is better than you say they are doesnt make that player overrated. and to say that Ken Hamlin is better is complete bull.

XxXdragonXxX
08-10-2006, 03:26 PM
So in other words, despite the fact that most people can plainly see the fact that Sanders had a very large impact on a vastly improved defense, and recognize this fact with accolades and awards, you're just going to continue to claim he's underrated because you think he's not the best coverage S? :lol: So is your best QB of all-time Matt Hasselbeck? After all, you don't use fact or logic in your arguments, just your opinion.

No, I'm going to claim he's overrated, because he doesn't deserve those awards, because he's one of the worst coverage FS's in the NFL.

And the Colts defense still sucked last year, the only reason they were ranked high is because they had the 5th fewest plays against them, but they allowed their opponents to complete 67.4% of their passes, and average 4.4 yards per carry against them.

Hasselbeck is the 4th best QB in the NFL.

XxXdragonXxX
08-10-2006, 03:28 PM
and to say that Ken Hamlin is better is complete bull.


Ken Hamlin can cover WAY better than Sanders, he is pretty close when it coems to hitting, and he's one of the best run-support safeties in the NFL. He's definately a more complete package than Bob Sanders.

08-10-2006, 03:29 PM
Hasselbeck is the 4th best QB in the NFL.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

1. Peyton Manning
2. Tom Brady
3. Carson Palmer
4. Donovan McNabb
5. Daunte Culpepper
6. Jake Delhomme
7. Ben Roethlisberger
8. Matt Hasselback

08-10-2006, 03:29 PM
and to say that Ken Hamlin is better is complete bull.
Ken Hamlin can cover WAY better than Sanders, he is pretty close when it coems to hitting, and he's one of the best run-support safeties in the NFL. He's definately a more complete package than Bob Sanders.

this guy needs a custom title immediately

XxXdragonXxX
08-10-2006, 03:30 PM
>>>>>> :lol: :lol: :lol: <<<<<



You're right....that list is laughable.

08-10-2006, 03:30 PM
>>>>>> :lol: :lol: :lol: <<<<<



You're right....that list is laughable.

explain to me how hes better than those quarterbacks

XxXdragonXxX
08-10-2006, 03:31 PM
Are you a Cards fan or a Colts fan? I can't tell?

Maybe you cheer for the Cards, but you jumped on the Colts bandwagon becaue they were undefeated?

08-10-2006, 03:32 PM
Are you a Cards fan or a Colts fan? I can't tell?

Maybe you cheer for the Cards, but you jumped on the Colts bandwagon becaue they were undefeated?

i like both teams and ive been a colts fan since i was born. get back to the argument

MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)
08-10-2006, 03:32 PM
I voted Taylor, but Dawkins is still very good, this is gonna be a tight poll. I hope nobody ruins it by creating multiple accounts again.

Dam8610
08-10-2006, 03:34 PM
So in other words, despite the fact that most people can plainly see the fact that Sanders had a very large impact on a vastly improved defense, and recognize this fact with accolades and awards, you're just going to continue to claim he's underrated because you think he's not the best coverage S? :lol: So is your best QB of all-time Matt Hasselbeck? After all, you don't use fact or logic in your arguments, just your opinion.

No, I'm going to claim he's overrated, because he doesn't deserve those awards, because he's one of the worst coverage FS's in the NFL.

And the Colts defense still sucked last year, th only reasont ehy were ranked high is because they had the 5th fewest plays against them, but they allowed their opponents to complete 67.4% of their passes, and average 4.4 yards per carry against them.

Hasselbeck is the 4th best QB in the NFL.

Wow, no need to get so touchy over a typo. So, why exactly do you think he's one of the worst coverage S in the NFL? Is it because others have told you this, so you've accepted it as fact?

High completion percentages come with the territory of running a Tampa 2 defense. It gets compounded when you only have one above average player in your secondary, that being Sanders. If the Colts had the 5th fewest plays run against them, and you claim this to be the sole reason for their success, how do you explain their 2nd ranking in Scoring Defense? Keep in mind as well that they didn't play their starting defense for the last 3 weeks of the season.

Why wouldn't you have Hasselbeck as the best QB of all time? Using just your opinion, you could probably pull that off. Those annoying facts and that impeding concept of logic can be annoying, huh?

08-10-2006, 03:34 PM
Taylor.

Dam8610
08-10-2006, 03:35 PM
>>>>>> :lol: :lol: :lol: <<<<<



You're right....that list is laughable.

The fact that the last 4 options are on there and Bob Sanders is not is very laughable.

XxXdragonXxX
08-10-2006, 03:35 PM
explain to me how hes better than those quarterbacks

Roethlisberger does nothing but sit back and watch his defense win games. He played a HORRIBLE game in the Superbowl, Hasselbeck atleast played decent.

Look what happened to Delhomme in the NFCC game when Steve Smith was taken away, he went into the toilet. All he can do is throw to 1 receiver, that's why Moose led the NFL in receiving yards in 2004 and that's why Smith did in 2005.

Culpepper and McNabb both went to crap when they lost their top receivers, and McNabb wans't all that great before he got Owens.

Hasselbeck had his 3rd and 4th WR's starting most of the year last year and he didn't miss a beat.

08-10-2006, 03:37 PM
explain to me how hes better than those quarterbacks

Roethlisberger does nothing but sit back and watch his defense win games. He played a HORRIBLE game in the Superbowl, Hasselbeck atleast played decent.

Look what happened to Delhomme in the NFCC game when Steve Smith was taken away, he went into the toilet. All he can do is throw to 1 receiver, that's why Moose led the NFL in receiving yards in 2004 and that's why Smith did in 2005.

Culpepper and McNabb both went to crap when they lost their top receivers, and McNabb wans't all that great before he got Owens.

Hasselbeck had his 3rd and 4th WR's starting most of the year last year and he didn't miss a beat.

McNabb was a top QB before he had T.O. Wow losing your 3rd and 4th recievers is a huge hit to a quarterback :roll:

XxXdragonXxX
08-10-2006, 03:40 PM
McNabb was a top QB before he had T.O. Wow losing your 3rd and 4th recievers is a huge hit to a quarterback :roll:

McNabb was not a top QB befor ehe got T.O., he wasn't bad, but he wasn't one of the best. Go look at his stats, he went from being a 3200 yard QB to being a 3800 yard QB because of T.O.

And you should read that again, I said he had is 3rd and 4th receivers STARTING, As in he lost his top 2 receivers.

08-10-2006, 03:42 PM
McNabb was a top QB before he had T.O. Wow losing your 3rd and 4th recievers is a huge hit to a quarterback :roll:

McNabb was not a top QB befor ehe got T.O., he wasn't bad, but he wasn't one of the best. Go look at his stats, he went from being a 3200 yard QB to being a 3800 yard QB because of T.O.

And you should read that again, I said he had is 3rd and 4th receivers STARTING, As in he lost his top 2 receivers.

leading a team to 3 NFC championship games without any good WR makes you a damned good QB. yea i read that wrong but Jerevicius and Engram are both #2 nfl recievers.

cunningham06
08-10-2006, 03:45 PM
Bob Sanders should be on here over hamlin, scott and smith

No, Bob Sanders should not be part of this poll. All he can do is hit.

the same thing is said about roy williams but hes in the SS poll

Roy Williams can atleast cover a little bit, and he's a playmaker. BoB Sanders cant cover to save his life and he has no playmaking skills, at all.

thats a joke. sanders is a playmaker and his coverage is adequate. His coverage isnt that important. hes a safety not a corner. you cant possibly say that hamlin is better than sanders

What are you talking about? To be a playmaker you have to make plays. I'm sorry Cards, but 1 career int. is not the resume of a playmaker. All he is good at is run support his coverage is a joke. He barely breaks up any passes, and when teams throw as much as they do against the Colts that can be a problem. Sanders should not have made the pro bowl, he made it because he's such a great tackler, but he doesn't force fumbles. So basically all he does is get a bunch of tackles.[/b]

XxXdragonXxX
08-10-2006, 03:48 PM
leading a team to 3 NFC championship games without any good WR makes you a damned good QB. yea i read that wrong but Jerevicius and Engram are both #2 nfl recievers.

Like I said, he's a good QB, I'd put him in the top 10, but he's not one of the elite QB's in the NFL. Peyton, Brady and Palmer are elite. Hasselbeck is at the top of the 2nd tier, that also includes McNabb.

08-10-2006, 03:51 PM
leading a team to 3 NFC championship games without any good WR makes you a damned good QB. yea i read that wrong but Jerevicius and Engram are both #2 nfl recievers.

Like I said, he's a good QB, I'd put him in the top 10, but he's not one of the elite QB's in the NFL. Peyton, Brady and Palmer are elite. Hasselbeck is at the top of the 2nd tier, that also includes McNabb.

i would say that McNabb and Hasselbeck are very equal. i dont know what i was thinking with those rankings earlier. I would say that he gets helped a lot by Alexander but he really impressed me in the playoffs last year so no one can say that about him

08-10-2006, 03:56 PM
Sean Taylor #21 Washington Redskins.

RCAChainGang
08-10-2006, 04:40 PM
Bob Sanders should be on here over hamlin, scott and smith

No, Bob Sanders should not be part of this poll. All he can do is hit.

the same thing is said about roy williams but hes in the SS poll

Really, I don't think he's the best, but he's better than Chris Hope. I'm so sick of cowboy fans homers saying Roy is the best in the leage! As for the FS i think Sean Taylor is the best. I did kinda vote for him cause he is much much younger than Brian Dawkins and is about the same skill as him.

stephenson86
08-10-2006, 05:14 PM
i think at the moment id rather have dawkins AT THIS TIME becaue of his solidity, but in a year or so sean over any one

Smooth Criminal
08-10-2006, 05:19 PM
Dawkins.Taylor will be within a few years but for now its dawkins.

DMWSackMachine
08-10-2006, 05:21 PM
Stephonson86, with all due respect, I am beginning to wonder if you even watch the NFL. You usually get the top 2 or 3 players in a poll, but after that you just start throwing out names as if you are picking them at random.

There is no way in hell that Bob Sanders should be off this list. He is a better player right this minute than Sean Taylor is (though not nearly as gifted, admittedly).

By the same token, you have yeomans like Hope, Dwight Smith, Greg Wesley, Bryan Scott etc.

Again, no offense intended, but your choice of personnel has been off on nearly every poll you've posted.

With that said, I went with Dawkins. He has mastered the position right now like few players at any other position. He is just so well polished, and also has a lot of juice left. Definitely him.

Taylor is the new object of affection for fanboys nationwide. He is nowhere near the hype right now, and is wildly overrated by nearly the entire board. He has the tools to be the best safety in the league, and maybe even the best ever, but he has so much to learn that its a joke how much love he gets. Assuming a regular growth curve, though, he will likely be the best in the league by the end of this season or the middle of the next. Just keepin' it real.

stephenson86
08-10-2006, 05:24 PM
Stephonson86, with all due respect, I am beginning to wonder if you even watch the NFL. You usually get the top 2 or 3 players in a poll, but after that you just start throwing out names as if you are picking them at random.

There is no way in hell that Bob Sanders should be off this list. He is a better player right this minute than Sean Taylor is (though not nearly as gifted, admittedly).

By the same token, you have yeomans like Hope, Dwight Smith, Greg Wesley, Bryan Scott etc.

Again, no offense intended, but your choice of personnel has been off on nearly every poll you've posted.

With that said, I went with Dawkins. He has mastered the position right now like few players at any other position. He is just so well polished, and also has a lot of juice left. Definitely him.

Taylor is the new object of affection for fanboys nationwide. He is nowhere near the hype right now, and is wildly overrated by nearly the entire board. He has the tools to be the best safety in the league, and maybe even the best ever, but he has so much to learn that its a joke how much love he gets. Assuming a regular growth curve, though, he will likely be the best in the league by the end of this season or the middle of the next. Just keepin' it real.

i had bob sanders down as a SS so what the hell, and i admit i missed him off the list, i have problems with remembering certain types of information, and one of those is remembering things from a collection, so like all FS etc and i miss them off so i need too look at depth charts and i end up missing people, i admit its annoying, but in this case i dont feel bob sanders would win or come second in either poll, so im not going too redo them, sorry for the trouble, and i only get too watch 2 games a week in england

08-10-2006, 05:35 PM
Stephonson86, with all due respect, I am beginning to wonder if you even watch the NFL. You usually get the top 2 or 3 players in a poll, but after that you just start throwing out names as if you are picking them at random.

There is no way in hell that Bob Sanders should be off this list. He is a better player right this minute than Sean Taylor is (though not nearly as gifted, admittedly).

By the same token, you have yeomans like Hope, Dwight Smith, Greg Wesley, Bryan Scott etc.

Again, no offense intended, but your choice of personnel has been off on nearly every poll you've posted.

With that said, I went with Dawkins. He has mastered the position right now like few players at any other position. He is just so well polished, and also has a lot of juice left. Definitely him.

Taylor is the new object of affection for fanboys nationwide. He is nowhere near the hype right now, and is wildly overrated by nearly the entire board. He has the tools to be the best safety in the league, and maybe even the best ever, but he has so much to learn that its a joke how much love he gets. Assuming a regular growth curve, though, he will likely be the best in the league by the end of this season or the middle of the next. Just keepin' it real.

I know you dont like sean taylor but to say sanders is better at the moment is laughable. Sean Taylor is better against the run and in pass coverage. He also makes more plays that Bob Sanders. What did Bob Sanders do for his team in the playoffs, cause sean taylor scored a TD and won the Tampa game for the redskins and in the seahawks game, he perfectly deflected a pass that was in the endzone and the following play a fumble was forced.

Teams shy away from Taylor and they go at Sanders because he cant cover. Taylor can also hit better and is better at run support. Sanders gets all of that hype because he plays for the colts but he did not deserve to be on that AP team, Troy Polamalu did.....but thats another argument.

bearsfan_51
08-10-2006, 05:42 PM
If you polled every GM in the league who they would rather have between Sanders or Taylor I would be shocked if a single one would choose Sanders, including Indy. That's nothing against Sanders, he's a fine player, he just shouldn't be compared to Taylor.

That being said, I voted for Dawkins.

08-10-2006, 05:46 PM
If you polled every GM in the league who they would rather have between Sanders or Taylor I would be shocked if a single one would choose Sanders, including Indy. That's nothing against Sanders, he's a fine player, he just shouldn't be compared to Taylor.

That being said, I voted for Dawkins.

they wouldn't and they shouldn't. Sanders is a good Safety but Sean Taylor is gonna be great.

jsagan77
08-10-2006, 07:01 PM
Sean Taylor is already great. I agree that Dawkins is good but ST is the BEST FS in the NFL period. Watch some game film and watch him rome the field. Bdawk doesn't have the range or power that ST has..

HokiesSkins2621
08-10-2006, 08:33 PM
Stephonson86, with all due respect, I am beginning to wonder if you even watch the NFL. You usually get the top 2 or 3 players in a poll, but after that you just start throwing out names as if you are picking them at random.

There is no way in hell that Bob Sanders should be off this list. He is a better player right this minute than Sean Taylor is (though not nearly as gifted, admittedly).

By the same token, you have yeomans like Hope, Dwight Smith, Greg Wesley, Bryan Scott etc.

Again, no offense intended, but your choice of personnel has been off on nearly every poll you've posted.

With that said, I went with Dawkins. He has mastered the position right now like few players at any other position. He is just so well polished, and also has a lot of juice left. Definitely him.

Taylor is the new object of affection for fanboys nationwide. He is nowhere near the hype right now, and is wildly overrated by nearly the entire board. He has the tools to be the best safety in the league, and maybe even the best ever, but he has so much to learn that its a joke how much love he gets. Assuming a regular growth curve, though, he will likely be the best in the league by the end of this season or the middle of the next. Just keepin' it real.

I know you dont like sean taylor but to say sanders is better at the moment is laughable. Sean Taylor is better against the run and in pass coverage. He also makes more plays that Bob Sanders. What did Bob Sanders do for his team in the playoffs, cause sean taylor scored a TD and won the Tampa game for the redskins and in the seahawks game, he perfectly deflected a pass that was in the endzone and the following play a fumble was forced.

Teams shy away from Taylor and they go at Sanders because he cant cover. Taylor can also hit better and is better at run support. Sanders gets all of that hype because he plays for the colts but he did not deserve to be on that AP team, Troy Polamalu did.....but thats another argument.


Who said Sean Taylor is worse than Bob Sanders? That's a joke. Sean Taylor is one of the greatest defensive backs to ever play college football, he can play SS and FS, and was a top 10 fs when he came into this league and is Top 5 in his second year in most peoples minds. He'll be challanging Ed Reed, Brian Dawkins, and Troy Polamalu for the best safety spot this year.

draftguru151
08-10-2006, 09:09 PM
I know I am late on this, but it is easily ST. Dawkins isn't as dominant as he once was. Taylor was the perfect safety and doesn't have any holes in his games. He is a top 3 safety at worst, and of those 3, he is the only FS. He is going to be the best after this season.

jsagan77
08-10-2006, 09:37 PM
Draft Guru hit it on the head. The Fact that Dawkins had so many votes over Taylor is crap. Dawkins < ST... I don't understand what everyone sees that I don't. I watched Dawkins a lot growing up because they always played Eagles games on TV and through all that I don't believe that at any time in his career that he was Better that ST is right now. I just don't understand why so many people have a fixation on Bdawk. Sure he is a great safety but he's not in ST's league...

RCAChainGang
08-10-2006, 10:46 PM
Stephonson86, with all due respect, I am beginning to wonder if you even watch the NFL. You usually get the top 2 or 3 players in a poll, but after that you just start throwing out names as if you are picking them at random.

There is no way in hell that Bob Sanders should be off this list. He is a better player right this minute than Sean Taylor is (though not nearly as gifted, admittedly).

By the same token, you have yeomans like Hope, Dwight Smith, Greg Wesley, Bryan Scott etc.

Again, no offense intended, but your choice of personnel has been off on nearly every poll you've posted.

With that said, I went with Dawkins. He has mastered the position right now like few players at any other position. He is just so well polished, and also has a lot of juice left. Definitely him.

Taylor is the new object of affection for fanboys nationwide. He is nowhere near the hype right now, and is wildly overrated by nearly the entire board. He has the tools to be the best safety in the league, and maybe even the best ever, but he has so much to learn that its a joke how much love he gets. Assuming a regular growth curve, though, he will likely be the best in the league by the end of this season or the middle of the next. Just keepin' it real.

I know you dont like sean taylor but to say sanders is better at the moment is laughable. Sean Taylor is better against the run and in pass coverage. He also makes more plays that Bob Sanders. What did Bob Sanders do for his team in the playoffs, cause sean taylor scored a TD and won the Tampa game for the redskins and in the seahawks game, he perfectly deflected a pass that was in the endzone and the following play a fumble was forced.

Teams shy away from Taylor and they go at Sanders because he cant cover. Taylor can also hit better and is better at run support. Sanders gets all of that hype because he plays for the colts but he did not deserve to be on that AP team, Troy Polamalu did.....but thats another argument.

Hey I got a bone to pick with you. He did pretty good in the playoffs. He had 10 tackles. that's pretty good. Ye didn't have a turnover, but he did help his team. Sean Taylor is much better, but check stats before you say he didn't do anything ion the playoffs. This is another reason he should be on the poll.

In the season Bob Sanders had 91 tackles, 1 pick, 1FF, and no sacks.

In the season Sean Taylor had 70 tackles, 2 picks, 2 FF, and 1 sack.

Sure Sean Taylor has had more turnovers, but saying Bob Sanders isn't worthy to be on here is ridiculous.

Sean Taylor is better, but Bob Sanders has great skill.

HawkeyeFan
08-10-2006, 10:47 PM
Sean Taylor is, but Dawkins got it :evil:

HokiesSkins2621
08-10-2006, 11:14 PM
Stephonson86, with all due respect, I am beginning to wonder if you even watch the NFL. You usually get the top 2 or 3 players in a poll, but after that you just start throwing out names as if you are picking them at random.

There is no way in hell that Bob Sanders should be off this list. He is a better player right this minute than Sean Taylor is (though not nearly as gifted, admittedly).

By the same token, you have yeomans like Hope, Dwight Smith, Greg Wesley, Bryan Scott etc.

Again, no offense intended, but your choice of personnel has been off on nearly every poll you've posted.

With that said, I went with Dawkins. He has mastered the position right now like few players at any other position. He is just so well polished, and also has a lot of juice left. Definitely him.

Taylor is the new object of affection for fanboys nationwide. He is nowhere near the hype right now, and is wildly overrated by nearly the entire board. He has the tools to be the best safety in the league, and maybe even the best ever, but he has so much to learn that its a joke how much love he gets. Assuming a regular growth curve, though, he will likely be the best in the league by the end of this season or the middle of the next. Just keepin' it real.

I know you dont like sean taylor but to say sanders is better at the moment is laughable. Sean Taylor is better against the run and in pass coverage. He also makes more plays that Bob Sanders. What did Bob Sanders do for his team in the playoffs, cause sean taylor scored a TD and won the Tampa game for the redskins and in the seahawks game, he perfectly deflected a pass that was in the endzone and the following play a fumble was forced.

Teams shy away from Taylor and they go at Sanders because he cant cover. Taylor can also hit better and is better at run support. Sanders gets all of that hype because he plays for the colts but he did not deserve to be on that AP team, Troy Polamalu did.....but thats another argument.

Hey I got a bone to pick with you. He did pretty good in the playoffs. He had 10 tackles. that's pretty good. Ye didn't have a turnover, but he did help his team. Sean Taylor is much better, but check stats before you say he didn't do anything ion the playoffs. This is another reason he should be on the poll.

In the season Bob Sanders had 91 tackles, 1 pick, 1FF, and no sacks.

In the season Sean Taylor had 70 tackles, 2 picks, 2 FF, and 1 sack.

Sure Sean Taylor has had more turnovers, but saying Bob Sanders isn't worthy to be on here is ridiculous.

Sean Taylor is better, but Bob Sanders has great skill.

SEAN TAYLOR DIDNT DO ANYTHING IN THE PLAYOFFS!?!??!?!?WHAT WERE YOU WATCHING??????????


Without Sean Taylor we would not of beaten Tampa Bay.


EDIT: Read it wrong sorry :P

cunningham06
08-11-2006, 12:01 AM
Alright an Eagle is on the team. :D

The Legend
08-11-2006, 01:20 AM
im glad to see this