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Iamcanadian
04-19-2007, 12:36 PM
http://nfl.com/draft/analysis/expert/brandt/dl


The only area where you have to be careful is with the defensive system a team uses. The NFL has become a very specialized player league. Different teams which use different schemes will have far different rankings for almost every position. It is almost impossible unless you group teams with simular schemes together, to find rankings whioch will correspond from team to team. Basic 4-3, 3-4 and Cover 2 teams will all have very different rankings for defensive players. The same holds true for offensive rankings except RB's and WR's. Many offensive schemes require different types of QB's, OLmen, and TE's. Even RB's and WR's may vary some between teams.

detroit4life
04-19-2007, 06:36 PM
yes it is well known DL is the most important part of this defense because the cover two is based off of timing in the QB is able to hold the ball to long he'll be able to burn us all day

jbombul
04-19-2007, 07:50 PM
how many threads are you going to post about your boy adams in one day?

detroit4life
04-19-2007, 09:24 PM
how many threads are you going to post about your boy adams in one day?


who r u talking about me or IAC

jbombul
04-19-2007, 10:56 PM
iac we all know that d-line is the most important part of the cover 2, but that doesn't make gaines adams the best choice, hes kalimba all over again

jbombul
04-19-2007, 11:19 PM
just to prove my point, lets take a trip down memory lane. gaines adams vs kalimba edwards-

Kalimba- 6-5 3/8, 265, 4.7
Gaines- 6-4 3/4 258 4.64

Kalimba positives-

Very good all-around athlete. Smooth and fluid for his size. Looks like he was built to rush the passer with excellent height and arms down to his knees. As a full-time end, should be able to carry 275-280 pounds when he is finished growing and filling in. Both quick off the ball and fast and has a second gear he can turn on when closing in on or chasing the quarterback or ballcarrier. Uses his hands well and can counter as a pass rusher and change directions when chasing the ball without much wasted motion. Edwards also looks like he can turn his hips OK when he drops off into coverage, but he will generally move up and play defensive end on passing downs.

Gaines Adams positives-

An outstanding athlete... Extremely quick and agile with very good speed... has a tremendous first step and a great burst to close...has very long arms and uses his hands well...has the frame to get bigger and develop physically...looks fluid while dropping into coverage...a terror in opponents backfields and just has a knack for getting the quarterback...productive and disruptive...versitale and also has the ability to play outside linebacker in the 3-4

kalimba negatives-

Coming off a knee injury. Did not make many big plays or really stand out as a senior before he was hurt. Does not have a great frame for growing. Is a little narrow and has thin bones. Lacks functional playing strength when he plays down and has a hard time shedding blocks if he does not win with his first move and the offensive lineman gets his hands on him. Could be ’tweener, and is a player who a team must have a plan for if he is to realize his potential in the NFL.

gaines negatives-

does not have the ideal weight you would look for and needs to add some weight...does not play the run nearly as well as the pass...needs to get stronger...can play with better pad level and leverage...struggles when blockers can lock on...might be a DE/OLB tweener...becomes somewhat one dimensional at times...will get overly aggressive and run himself out of plays

hmm sounds like kalimba all over again. I don't know about you guys, but i can't live with another kalimba, let alone one of them. And calling for us to select him in the first is absurd.......I DON'T WANT ANOTHER MARIJUANA SMOKER ON THIS TEAM!

Iamcanadian
04-20-2007, 12:00 AM
just to prove my point, lets take a trip down memory lane. gaines adams vs kalimba edwards-

Kalimba- 6-5 3/8, 265, 4.7
Gaines- 6-4 3/4 258 4.64

Kalimba positives-

Very good all-around athlete. Smooth and fluid for his size. Looks like he was built to rush the passer with excellent height and arms down to his knees. As a full-time end, should be able to carry 275-280 pounds when he is finished growing and filling in. Both quick off the ball and fast and has a second gear he can turn on when closing in on or chasing the quarterback or ballcarrier. Uses his hands well and can counter as a pass rusher and change directions when chasing the ball without much wasted motion. Edwards also looks like he can turn his hips OK when he drops off into coverage, but he will generally move up and play defensive end on passing downs.

Gaines Adams positives-

An outstanding athlete... Extremely quick and agile with very good speed... has a tremendous first step and a great burst to close...has very long arms and uses his hands well...has the frame to get bigger and develop physically...looks fluid while dropping into coverage...a terror in opponents backfields and just has a knack for getting the quarterback...productive and disruptive...versitale and also has the ability to play outside linebacker in the 3-4

kalimba negatives-

Coming off a knee injury. Did not make many big plays or really stand out as a senior before he was hurt. Does not have a great frame for growing. Is a little narrow and has thin bones. Lacks functional playing strength when he plays down and has a hard time shedding blocks if he does not win with his first move and the offensive lineman gets his hands on him. Could be ’tweener, and is a player who a team must have a plan for if he is to realize his potential in the NFL.

gaines negatives-

does not have the ideal weight you would look for and needs to add some weight...does not play the run nearly as well as the pass...needs to get stronger...can play with better pad level and leverage...struggles when blockers can lock on...might be a DE/OLB tweener...becomes somewhat one dimensional at times...will get overly aggressive and run himself out of plays

hmm sounds like kalimba all over again. I don't know about you guys, but i can't live with another kalimba, let alone one of them. And calling for us to select him in the first is absurd.......I DON'T WANT ANOTHER MARIJUANA SMOKER ON THIS TEAM!

Ya, I remember when Kalimba was drafted in the top 5 as an elite athlete in his draft year, oh wait a minute , he was a 2nd rounder, but they aren't considered elite athletes, but your right, they are equal in value??? get real!!!

jbombul
04-20-2007, 12:15 AM
Ya, I remember when Kalimba was drafted in the top 5 as an elite athlete in his draft year, oh wait a minute , he was a 2nd rounder, but they aren't considered elite athletes, but your right, they are equal in value??? get real!!!

haha your a funny guy. wasn't it you that just recently said picking adams would be a mistake because of his failure against the run? and the ole mighty football fan of 40 years might remember that Edwards was a first rounder before he dropped because of his injury. And you also might remember that when Edwards came out many scouts rated him a 92-94 on the scale and gaines adams sits at 94-95 right now. Hey if your all for a rush specialist, that will get sacks if he can get by offensive linemen who will get knocked down every play if he doesn't beat them off the edge and lights up marijuana, hes all yours buddy i'd rather have patrick willis myself a team leader, NO team leader smokes marijuana NONE!!!

ThEvIcTR
04-20-2007, 02:01 AM
your taking this weed thing way way out of hand. Everyone experiments with some kind of drug. At least he was man enough not to lie about it and say he did it.


Happy 4-20

iKNOW
04-20-2007, 03:55 AM
for DE i think crowder. he should be around in the 2nd round. then you would have 3 texas longhorns on the line. crowder is solid against the run and with help can put pressure on the QB. with rogers and redding causing havoc up the middle and devries/edwards running around on the other end crowder is not a bad fit. but he is kinda like white as his upside i think is limited.

i think they should trade down (out of top 10) and pick up revis, staley, willis, or ginn and get some more picks in the process.

Addict
04-20-2007, 06:41 AM
your taking this weed thing way way out of hand. Everyone experiments with some kind of drug. At least he was man enough not to lie about it and say he did it.


Happy 4-20

QFT.

This is blown WAY out of proportion.

jbombul
04-20-2007, 07:47 AM
same thing was said about charles rogers when his pee was watered down look what happened to him, you just never know, besides the weed thing i don't want adams on this team period

Iamcanadian
04-20-2007, 09:25 AM
haha your a funny guy. wasn't it you that just recently said picking adams would be a mistake because of his failure against the run? and the ole mighty football fan of 40 years might remember that Edwards was a first rounder before he dropped because of his injury. And you also might remember that when Edwards came out many scouts rated him a 92-94 on the scale and gaines adams sits at 94-95 right now. Hey if your all for a rush specialist, that will get sacks if he can get by offensive linemen who will get knocked down every play if he doesn't beat them off the edge and lights up marijuana, hes all yours buddy i'd rather have patrick willis myself a team leader, NO team leader smokes marijuana NONE!!!

Sorry, but I've been consistantly for drafting either Quinn or Adams from very early in the draft process. Edwards was never close to being a top 10 prospect and isn't close to the athlete that Adams is. I think you need to examine the scouting reports a little closer and you'll find quite a bit of difference between the 2. A cover 2 DE is a rush specialist, that's exactly what Feeney and Simeon Rice are. The Cover 2 defense demands that their DE's be rush specialists, that's what makes a Cover 2 defense work and that is why the largest Cover 2 DE on Indy, Chicago, and Tampa weighs 274lbs with the average in the 260's. Without a great rush specialist playing DE in a Cover 2, the Cover 2 defense DOESN't WORK and is easily pick apart by offenses when their QB has time to throw.

asmitty45
04-20-2007, 11:19 AM
I bet Ray Lewis has burnt a few in his day

jbombul
04-20-2007, 03:51 PM
we'll see when the season rolls around, adams is not the prospect freeney or peppers or even kearse is

detroit4life
04-20-2007, 05:35 PM
a big difference between the two is that kalimba is basically a speed rusher adams is a natural pass rusher he doesnt just rely on speed

reinar
04-20-2007, 11:27 PM
i say we trade for Rice (fulfill our pass rush, double digit sack, 121 sacks in 11 years) which moves us from 2 down to 4, then if we can give up the 4 to drop down and get willis, we fill both our needs for MLb and DE, and move on into the 2nd round. if we dont do that, we need to pick up as many extra picks as possible, like the packers have the last few years, trading down 3-5 times and getting as many 2nd and 3rd rounders to fill out our holes.

Jagonsucker
04-21-2007, 03:19 AM
we wont take willis at number 4, if anything we'd take Landry

reinar
04-21-2007, 04:24 AM
why in the world would we take landry or hall over willis, since we picked up both S and CB in free agency, and as far as I know, still have a gaping cover 2 missing MLB?

jbombul
04-21-2007, 08:17 AM
we picked up no safties in free agency in fact, we lost both of our backups. kennedy is not a cover 2 safety either, his coverage skills are severly lacking

Mythos
04-21-2007, 10:35 AM
why in the world would we take landry or hall over willis, since we picked up both S and CB in free agency, and as far as I know, still have a gaping cover 2 missing MLB?

We're not going to fill ever gaping hole w/ one draft. One could argue Landry is a better player overall than Willis, but that's not unanimous. Recently, there's been excellent value at MLB in the second round while the rd. 2 safeties (excluding sanders) have generally disappointed. While you can't predict what any one player will do, I'd say the strategy of safety-1, MLB-2 would have fared better than the reverse over the last 5 yrs or so.