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volman88
04-22-2007, 11:06 AM
I was curious if anyone saw it, and if you did how did Clausen do?

sodar21
04-22-2007, 11:34 AM
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=666101

geaux tigers
04-22-2007, 11:47 AM
saw some highlights on espn. Clausen's arm strength looks very unimpressive.

volman88
04-22-2007, 03:08 PM
http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=666101

thanks(10)

JClausen7
04-22-2007, 03:12 PM
saw some highlights on espn. Clausen's arm strength looks very unimpressive.

false info

BUSTKUNTLAWL
04-22-2007, 04:15 PM
false info

I'm sure your opinion isn't biased.

Michigan
04-22-2007, 04:22 PM
false info

rofl (10 char.)

dabears10
04-22-2007, 09:08 PM
saw some highlights on espn. Clausen's arm strength looks very unimpressive.

While this may be, i doubt you can judge arm strength on his total 7 throws let alone the 1 or 2 you may have seen on espn.

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
04-22-2007, 09:32 PM
saw some highlights on espn. Clausen's arm strength looks very unimpressive.

No need to hate, the kid has an excellent arm in all his highlight videos

metafour
04-22-2007, 09:56 PM
No need to hate, the kid has an excellent arm in all his highlight videos

It didn't look like anything special at the Army AA Game.

BUSTKUNTLAWL
04-22-2007, 10:26 PM
It didn't look like anything special at the Army AA Game.

Agreed..

Most over rated HS prospect EVER.

Michigan
04-22-2007, 10:36 PM
No need to hate, the kid has an excellent arm in all his highlight videos

is that a pro-clausen or sarcastic anti-clausen comment?

geaux tigers
04-23-2007, 05:12 AM
it'll be funny if he gets redshirted, which is a good possibility. he turns 20 this sept. then if he even gets to start he'll be 21 as a redshirt freshman. something tells me Weiss will have to dumb down the playbook to accommodate Clausen.

"Jimmy Clausen started kindergarten at six and repeated sixth grade "to gain maturity" his mother was quoted as saying."

Jughead10
04-23-2007, 07:18 AM
it'll be funny if he gets redshirted, which is a good possibility. he turns 20 this sept. then if he even gets to start he'll be 21 as a redshirt freshman. something tells me Weiss will have to dumb down the playbook to accommodate Clausen.

"Jimmy Clausen started kindergarten at six and repeated sixth grade "to gain maturity" his mother was quoted as saying."

I think the reason he stayed back was for sports. Parents are sick these days. They saw the ability Jimmy's older brothers had and probably thought if they held Jimmy back he'd be a men playing amongst boys. It happens I see it around here.

moc182
04-23-2007, 09:05 AM
Nd doesn't red shirt.

Sniper
04-23-2007, 02:01 PM
Oddly enough all Notre Dame fans and Clausen fans say he doesn't lack arm strength, despite the fact that the main knock against him has been just that. Looks like ND may actually have a run game this year...it's too bad for them the secondary is still atrocious..I can see Manningham going for 7-172-3 this year vs. them:)

The King
04-23-2007, 02:26 PM
Oddly enough all Notre Dame fans and Clausen fans say he doesn't lack arm strength, despite the fact that the main knock against him has been just that. Looks like ND may actually have a run game this year...it's too bad for them the secondary is still atrocious..I can see Manningham going for 7-172-3 this year vs. them:)

I hope not

JClausen7
04-23-2007, 02:34 PM
i rly dont understand the knock on his arm strength
for the doubters just go to rivals.com and look at his videos some of them are free and you can clearly see he can throw 60 yards with ease

Jughead10
04-23-2007, 02:40 PM
Maybe he is injured. Didn't some speculate he had bone chips or spurs in his arm somewhere?

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
04-23-2007, 03:25 PM
Maybe he is injured. Didn't some speculate he had bone chips or spurs in his arm somewhere?

http://www.suntimes.com/sports/colleges/304274,CST-SPT-nd20.article

He was playing through an arm injury all throughout his senior season of HS

Sniper
04-24-2007, 08:58 AM
That could be it. Then again, he's no Ryan Mallett!:)

NYmoney
04-24-2007, 10:25 AM
Agreed..

Most over rated HS prospect EVER.

wrong...wrong...WRONG. he's going to be spectacular at ND

FloridaFootball
04-24-2007, 12:37 PM
Jimmy Clausen will be what, 26 if he enters the NFL Draft after 4 years at Notre Dame? That means after a couple seasons in the NFL he will already be 30.....

bored of education
04-24-2007, 01:03 PM
Who cares if he throws it 60-70-80 yrds. He doesnt have the zip, precision with velocity for the 20-35 yards throws. But he is still young

FloridaFootball
04-24-2007, 01:10 PM
Who cares if he throws it 60-70-80 yrds. He doesnt have the zip, precision with velocity for the 20-35 yards throws. But he is still young

Young? Isn't he already 21?

bored of education
04-24-2007, 01:49 PM
I dont know. I dont care. He hasnt done anythin yet to warrant me to even care.

JClausen7
04-24-2007, 04:46 PM
hes 19 to be exact

Sniper
04-24-2007, 07:03 PM
Mallett is still better;)

Michigan
04-24-2007, 07:33 PM
Clausen is 3 months younger than Amobi Okoye.

geaux tigers
04-27-2007, 01:05 PM
hes 19 to be exact


20 in sept.

DoWnThEfiElD
04-27-2007, 01:19 PM
Clausen is 3 months younger than Amobi Okoye.

That just baffles me, i think its funny

jj45
04-27-2007, 10:57 PM
Everyone ND biggest knock is we don't have speed, my boy demeteri has speed, he can throw on the run, has a great deep ball but everyone talks about. First of all I hate weiss I met him and I have been to his camps and he is known for meaning a a hole and he thinks once u lose a top qb u have to get the next big name guess what u have a good starter and if u keep downing him before he has a snap ur gonna kill his career. Clausen whole family blows they are good high school qb that's all. Both of he brothers got bench then cut and the all were top qb in their classes where are they know he is a 20 year old kid who was playing high school kids who doesn't look good playing high school kids. I mean its knock hard to look good playing high school ball I mean I wish DJ went too ILLini but family ties at ND. But the way people hype clausen up u would think he was a manning yes he has football family but guess big difference manning are actually good.

volman88
04-27-2007, 11:31 PM
Everyone ND biggest knock is we don't have speed, my boy demeteri has speed, he can throw on the run, has a great deep ball but everyone talks about. First of all I hate weiss I met him and I have been to his camps and he is known for meaning a a hole and he thinks once u lose a top qb u have to get the next big name guess what u have a good starter and if u keep downing him before he has a snap ur gonna kill his career. Clausen whole family blows they are good high school qb that's all. Both of he brothers got bench then cut and the all were top qb in their classes where are they know he is a 20 year old kid who was playing high school kids who doesn't look good playing high school kids. I mean its knock hard to look good playing high school ball I mean I wish DJ went too ILLini but family ties at ND. But the way people hype clausen up u would think he was a manning yes he has football family but guess big difference manning are actually good.

Rick Clausen was mediocre, but Casey Clausen was actually a good college quarterback, and was never benched

Donno
05-01-2007, 07:19 PM
So how about the defense how did they look?

Bostonsportlova
05-02-2007, 05:30 PM
19 is still young. and he wont be 26 entering the NFL. Most likey 25 and ya thats old and stock go down

JClausen7
05-02-2007, 08:55 PM
well if he stays 3 years and then leaves which i think is most likely he will be 22 going on 23 which is normal for a qb

RyanXQ
05-09-2007, 02:05 AM
the other clausen brothers didnt have charlie as their coach though, just look at the numbers from quinns fresh-soph to his junior-senior years under weiss, huge difference. With a coach like weiss his entire college career he has potential to be great.

JayP
05-10-2007, 01:41 AM
Weis went into the Spring game with the intention of showing nothing regarding QBs. He wanted to display the run game and have teams thinking about that, along with the new look of the defense.

If you can get judgment on the ND QB situation from the spring game, then you're either a genius at rating QBs or a first rate idiot.

TouchdownUSC
05-10-2007, 03:09 AM
so how did the run game look?

JCarver27
05-10-2007, 07:17 AM
Weis went into the Spring game with the intention of showing nothing regarding QBs. He wanted to display the run game and have teams thinking about that, along with the new look of the defense.

If you can get judgment on the ND QB situation from the spring game, then you're either a genius at rating QBs or a first rate idiot.
or you're just not blind. one of those.

JayP
05-10-2007, 08:00 AM
or you're just not blind. one of those.

Right....because in 7 passes, with no deep balls and no formations to disguise if you're passing or running, you can really tell who the starting QB is gonna be. Get back to me when you've tutored a Super Bowl winning QB and a 1st round QB, and I'll listen then.

As far as the run game went, it looked good. It'll have to be, because Weis wants to have an effective run game to take the pressure off of the QB, whoever it may be.

Back to the QB situation....word is Weis saw enough in the closed practices and will narrow the race to 2 people at the end of this month when he gets back from the recruiting trail. He's reportedly going to make a public announcement about it to stop the press from hounding his players for info.

My thought on the matter is....don't expect to hear the starter announced until the last moment possible before the Ga. Tech game.

JCarver27
05-10-2007, 09:58 AM
super defensive ND fans are hilarious.

you can watch a QB and tell at least a little bit about him. I never said you could tell who the starter was.

take a deep breath, eat 80 XL pizza's like your hero, and relax.

JayP
05-10-2007, 10:41 AM
No more so that super idiotic Buckeye fans.

So you can look and see that Demetrius Jones is head and shoulders above the others as far as being a team leader goes? Great. Doesn't mean you know squat else, and I think the majority of people are looking to get any info on who the starter may be.

Pipe down and get back to knitting sweater vests.

JCarver27
05-10-2007, 11:04 AM
yeah the sweater vest thing isn't really an insult. being a gigantic blob of a piece of crap is.

also, try reading. I still have yet to say that anybody is better than anybody else. do they hand out books on building straw man arguments when you sign up to become a No D fan?

JayP
05-10-2007, 11:39 AM
I can read quite well, which is more than I can say for most OSU players and fans, present company included.

I can also tell when someone's trying to imply something without really saying it. It's an old message board tactic, so you can go back later and say "I didn't say that!".

Saying this:
or you're just not blind. one of those.

after I've said you couldn't get a read on the ND QB situation based on the spring game means you have an opinion, but you don't want to be ridiculed for being horribly wrong.

Your little statement
you can watch a QB and tell at least a little bit about him.
back ups by belief that you have an opinion. You just don't wanna state it, because you have no basis for any opinion other than your dislike for ND.

Now you're backtracking and resorting to the "Weis is fat" tactic to cover your butt.

I could be wrong though....you could just be a stupid flamer or another OSU fan who thinks they know everything about every college football team, but really doesn't know crap.

Save your stupid comments, say "ND SUCKS!!!!", and be on your way.

JCarver27
05-10-2007, 12:07 PM
You're right about one thing
I could be wrong though
Other than that, it's the typical NoD fan "I'm better than you because I like Notre Dame" nonsense.

You said there's NO WAY to get a read on the QB situation based on the spring game. I refuted it. Having an opinion on who is starting isn't required to refute your assholish statement that you are either a QB genius or a complete idiot.

Now go be a typical NoD asshole somewhere else.

JayP
05-10-2007, 03:23 PM
Then since you have so much insight on the ND QB situation, why don't you inform us? I'd love to hear your analysis.

And why would I want to go somewhere else and be an asshole, when I have you to look up to as a mentor here?

Sniper
05-10-2007, 03:40 PM
No more so that super idiotic Buckeye fans.

So you can look and see that Demetrius Jones is head and shoulders above the others as far as being a team leader goes? Great. Doesn't mean you know squat else, and I think the majority of people are looking to get any info on who the starter may be.

Pipe down and get back to knitting sweater vests.

National Titles

Sweater Vest 1
Fatty 0

(I hate em both, but Tressel is the man...Beast of a coach)

jag
05-10-2007, 10:39 PM
National Titles

Sweater Vest 1
Fatty 0

(I hate em both, but Tressel is the man...Beast of a coach)

Sure coached a hellova game against Florida.

CC
05-10-2007, 11:09 PM
Right....because in 7 passes, with no deep balls and no formations to disguise if you're passing or running, you can really tell who the starting QB is gonna be. Get back to me when you've tutored a Super Bowl winning QB and a 1st round QB, and I'll listen then.

As far as the run game went, it looked good. It'll have to be, because Weis wants to have an effective run game to take the pressure off of the QB, whoever it may be.

Back to the QB situation....word is Weis saw enough in the closed practices and will narrow the race to 2 people at the end of this month when he gets back from the recruiting trail. He's reportedly going to make a public announcement about it to stop the press from hounding his players for info.

My thought on the matter is....don't expect to hear the starter announced until the last moment possible before the Ga. Tech game.

Why doesn't Weis work on winning a big time college game, he has the same amount of wins against top teams as everyone in this forum.

JCarver27
05-11-2007, 07:56 AM
Sure coached a hellova game against Florida.oh that's right....good coaches never lose games. ever.

all coaches suck.

Sniper
05-11-2007, 07:57 PM
Sure coached a hellova game against Florida.

So now we judge coaches by one game?

Sniper
05-12-2007, 11:58 AM
Why doesn't Weis work on winning a big time college game, he has the same amount of wins against top teams as everyone in this forum.

Guarantee you any ND fan replies "well he beat Michigan two years ago when they were ranked #3" (Then fail to realize Michigan was overhyped and overrated that year and sucked

HuskerNation
05-12-2007, 04:31 PM
Guarantee you any ND fan replies "well he beat Michigan two years ago when they were ranked #3" (Then fail to realize Michigan was overhyped and overrated that year and sucked

You got that right, Michigan sucks!

ironman4579
05-12-2007, 05:54 PM
Wait, didn't Nebraska finish out of the rankings 3 of the last 5 years?

BUTerriers
05-12-2007, 06:14 PM
Didn't get to see the game, but if Clausen puts up Quinn-like numbers, he's still a 1st round prospect. If John Beck can go at the top of the 2nd, then Clausen can go in the 1st...

HuskerNation
05-12-2007, 09:39 PM
Wait, didn't Nebraska finish out of the rankings 3 of the last 5 years?

Didn't you guys lose 4 straight bowl games? And to OSU the last 3 years? Having a little trouble winning those big games?

JeffSamardzijaIRISH
05-12-2007, 10:17 PM
Didn't get to see the game, but if Clausen puts up Quinn-like numbers, he's still a 1st round prospect. If John Beck can go at the top of the 2nd, then Clausen can go in the 1st...

Um, what???

Sniper
05-13-2007, 07:15 AM
Wait, didn't Nebraska finish out of the rankings 3 of the last 5 years?

It's ok. HuskerNation is just mad Nebraska will never be good again, happens. Just wondering HN, why is it you hate Michigan so much?

JCarver27
05-14-2007, 07:24 AM
wow. huskernation should put in for a name change. ObsessedAboutMichiganNation has a nice ring to it.

HuskerNation
05-14-2007, 08:24 PM
wow. huskernation should put in for a name change. ObsessedAboutMichiganNation has a nice ring to it.

Just find their arrogance funny, considering they haven't done jack over the last 4 years.

Sniper
05-14-2007, 08:36 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Ten_Conference_football_champions

2 Big 10 titles in the past 4 years

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_12_Championship_Game

O Big 12 titles in that same span

Relish that Alamo Bowl win my man, it's all you got.

HuskerNation
05-14-2007, 09:38 PM
Again, I'm not on here acting like an arrogant ass who's team has accomplished something recently. I'm well aware nebraska is down right now, but so is Michigan and you tools don't even realize it.

Win a big game then talk to me!

draftguru151
05-14-2007, 09:45 PM
Again, I'm not on here acting like an arrogant ass who's team has accomplished something recently. I'm well aware nebraska is down right now, but so is Michigan and you tools don't even realize it.

Win a big game then talk to me!

Man I wish Miami was down like Michigan. They sure fooled me because they looked pretty good last season, but apparently I wasn't watching the same games.

HuskerNation
05-14-2007, 10:12 PM
They beat the teams they should have beat. I'll give them that.

BUSTKUNTLAWL
05-14-2007, 10:30 PM
Clausen is a loser.

If DD isn't the starting QB it won't be because he's not better than Clausen.

Sniper
05-14-2007, 11:34 PM
Man I wish Miami was down like Michigan. They sure fooled me because they looked pretty good last season, but apparently I wasn't watching the same games.

Don't worry man I really think the U is on its way back up. Once you get rid of the dead weight at QB I think Shannon can turn the program back to where it should be. HN, yep we're down. Top 5 team coming this year, we are tanking away!

HuskerNation
05-14-2007, 11:52 PM
Don't worry man I really think the U is on its way back up. Once you get rid of the dead weight at QB I think Shannon can turn the program back to where it should be. HN, yep we're down. Top 5 team coming this year, we are tanking away!

Again, beat someone, then talk.

volman88
05-15-2007, 06:04 PM
Kyle wright is my favorite college football qb, only if he had some talent. All he has is a cannon.

Tobzilla
05-15-2007, 07:42 PM
Young? Isn't he already 21?

He's 19 years old.

reese
05-17-2007, 01:52 AM
mabe a ND fan can tell me....i have watched multiple clausen highlight tapes and have yet to see y he is so highly thought of...im not downing him im just wondering....i mean ive seen matt staffords highlight tape from hs and tim tebows...they were last years no.1 rankd qbs...and they look like no.1 qbs in the nation...i was just wonderin if anyone could tell me what makes ppl think he is gonna be so good

JCarver27
05-17-2007, 07:55 AM
mabe a ND fan can tell me....i have watched multiple clausen highlight tapes and have yet to see y he is so highly thought of...im not downing him im just wondering....i mean ive seen matt staffords highlight tape from hs and tim tebows...they were last years no.1 rankd qbs...and they look like no.1 qbs in the nation...i was just wonderin if anyone could tell me what makes ppl think he is gonna be so good
probly shouldn't be asking for ND fans to answer that one. I've yet to see a ND fan who isn't completely biased.

Sniper
05-17-2007, 08:57 AM
mabe a ND fan can tell me....i have watched multiple clausen highlight tapes and have yet to see y he is so highly thought of...im not downing him im just wondering....i mean ive seen matt staffords highlight tape from hs and tim tebows...they were last years no.1 rankd qbs...and they look like no.1 qbs in the nation...i was just wonderin if anyone could tell me what makes ppl think he is gonna be so good

Because he committed to Notre Dame. If it said any other school he wouldn't be half as hyped

JCarver27
05-17-2007, 09:54 AM
Because he committed to Notre Dame. If it said any other school he wouldn't be half as hyped
I don't know if I'd go that far. He was pretty hyped before he committed.

dabears10
05-17-2007, 01:00 PM
probly shouldn't be asking for ND fans to answer that one. I've yet to see a ND fan who isn't completely biased.

I have no faith in Jimmy Clausen. I like others have not seen anything to get real excited about in Clausen. I really, really, LOVE Demetrius Jones. He is a leader with the confidence to run a school under the microscope like ND. He would do well this year with half a new offensive line and all new skill players. He can make plays and that is why DJ should be the starter.

Jimmy Clausen best attribute is being able to recruit other talented players.

machoking6
05-17-2007, 01:25 PM
Who cares about what Clausen did or did not do in his highlight tapes. Nobody here knows exactly what they're talking about. That's why we're on a message board. I'm sick of reading, "Well Rivals said this, and Rivals said that." I don't care if they show a video of him chucking the ball 80 yards or 20 yards. The only thing I care about is if he can get under the center and be able to take the pressure of being ND's QB. And nobody can say for sure how he'll do with that. Any praise and any criticism is unnecessary at this point. The only thing we can say about Clausen is that he was the #1 recruit in all of high school football this past season. That's a mighty impressive notion. To say that Clausen is overrated and/or overhyped is an uneducated response. The experts ruled that Clausen was the best of the best. I believe what they have to say considering that they have a wealth of knowledge in scouting. And trust me, I don't think the scouts are on their computers checking out the highlight tapes on Rivals.

And for those of you who are preaching Demetrius Jones over Jimmy Clausen, make sure you choose him without your own prejudices (you're black and you're from Chicago).

ToldLikeItIs
05-17-2007, 01:41 PM
ND fans are absolutely ridiculous, they truly believe they will be national title contenders in 2008 and 2009 simply because of a couple of good recruiting classes.

The 06' ND team was ultra-talented and still flamed out.

All this bitching about Charlie 'not having his players', and this and that, it's garbage. He isn't even a decent coach, and he publicly makes an ass out of himself at least five times a year.

So what happens after this season is a total disappointment? The season where Charlie has all of his own players, players expected to be 3 and out, and still loses 6-7 games. Oh, you just wait till 09'.

ND and Nebraska fans are in for some pretty big surprises the next few years, because the leaders of your respected programs at this point are unscrupulous and lack the talent/coaching ability to satisfy their lofty ambitions.

dabears10
05-17-2007, 01:48 PM
And for those of you who are preaching Demetrius Jones over Jimmy Clausen, make sure you choose him without your own prejudices (you're black and you're from Chicago).

Yeah, well I am from the Suburbs of Chicago, and am white. DJ to me has shown what it takes to be ND QB.

And Told no where did i say we were title contenders. I think that we will probably have an 8ish win season because of the schedule and we will get a mid to high range bowl we probably don't deserve.
Everyone says that it's so good. But ND didn't deserve the BCS the last two years, but they have to play the best teams who are more talented and get killed. You say ultra talented, but really we had 4 quality skill positions and everywhere else we were A. overrated or B. totally outclassed(aka defense).
You need everyone to be talented as is shown by LSU, OSU, USC, Texas, of the world. Iowa really only has to get up for like 2 big games OSU and Michigan, in which they don't have to play if im correct this year. And they still won't sniff the Big Ten title. But still you pretend like your not a homer, even though you are one of the biggest on the board.

Sniper
05-17-2007, 02:01 PM
ND fans are absolutely ridiculous, they truly believe they will be national title contenders in 2008 and 2009 simply because of a couple of good recruiting classes.

The 06' ND team was ultra-talented and still flamed out.

All this bitching about Charlie 'not having his players', and this and that, it's garbage. He isn't even a decent coach, and he publicly makes an ass out of himself at least five times a year.

So what happens after this season is a total disappointment? The season where Charlie has all of his own players, players expected to be 3 and out, and still loses 6-7 games. Oh, you just wait till 09'.

ND and Nebraska fans are in for some pretty big surprises the next few years, because the leaders of your respected programs at this point are unscrupulous and lack the talent/coaching ability to satisfy their lofty ambitions.


Glad someone came out and said it. It's utterly ridiculous what ND fans expect of their team. They assume every 5 star recruit will pan out. For a good laugh, check out ESPN's ND board. These guys are talking about 10-2, 11-1 with them thinking they have a shot to beat SC and Michigan. They have absolutely zero chance of winning either of those games and they have zero chance at another BCS bowl. Good call on the "Why did Florida jump us in the rankings while eating cheeseburgers " there Charlie, dead on accurate with that one. Their defense is still atrocious and they lost their QB, 2 WR, RB and they expect to be better? Reallllllllllllllllly realistic

machoking6
05-17-2007, 02:08 PM
ND fans are absolutely ridiculous, they truly believe they will be national title contenders in 2008 and 2009 simply because of a couple of good recruiting classes.

The 06' ND team was ultra-talented and still flamed out.

All this bitching about Charlie 'not having his players', and this and that, it's garbage. He isn't even a decent coach, and he publicly makes an ass out of himself at least five times a year.

So what happens after this season is a total disappointment? The season where Charlie has all of his own players, players expected to be 3 and out, and still loses 6-7 games. Oh, you just wait till 09'.

ND and Nebraska fans are in for some pretty big surprises the next few years, because the leaders of your respected programs at this point are unscrupulous and lack the talent/coaching ability to satisfy their lofty ambitions.

Someone must hate ND. What a surprise.

I don't know too many ND fans who are anticipating a national championship. For those who are, they must be the "fans" who watch ND because A)ND is on TV every week B)they're irish or C)their favorite movie is Rudy. As an ND fan, I do expect them to do well. As far as your prediction of 6-7 losses, that's just unreasonable and it's ashame you base such a lofty prediction off of your hatred for another team. I hate USC and Michigan, but I'm not going to make these irrational comments saying they're going to lose 3-4 games this year. Be reasonable.

Say what you will about the 06 team, they were too overhyped because of Brady Quinn and Jeff Samardjiza's previous season. The defense was still awful, and that's why they didn't do as good as anticipated. It's hard to win games when one's defense is letting up 40+ points a game.

As far as saying Charlie Weis isn't a decent coach is probably the most absurd statement you made throughout your terrible post. Once again, you're making comments with your heart and not your brain. In his two seasons as head coach he's been to two BCS bowls. They got smoked in both and that's all good and well, but he got to that point. And one can put up the argument that ND always gets the BCS bid because of their name. However, ND must finish within the top 10-13 (I'm not entirely sure which number) in the BCS. That's not an easy thing to do, and Charlie has accomplished that feat not once, but twice. Give credit where credit is due.

machoking6
05-17-2007, 02:19 PM
Yeah, well I am from the Suburbs of Chicago, and am white. DJ to me has shown what it takes to be ND QB.

Surprise, surprise. Someone from Chicago wants Demetrius Jones to win the QB job at ND. That's cool man, but you got to be able to expand your horizons beyond the city of Chicago. If Jones gets it, then it's because he's earned it. If Clausen gets it, then that means he's earned it. Same goes with Sharpley and Frazier.

To say that DJ has shown you what it takes to be the ND QB is rather odd. Did I miss something, or did DJ get snaps on the field last year? I didn't see it, but then again, maybe I missed it. Could you tell from the small number of throws that he took at the Blue/Gold game? Or are you basing this "DJ has shown what it takes to be ND QB" comment off of some high school game you saw? Or some high school tape that they show on local television? There has been nothing that anyone has seen which constitutes Jones or Clausen being better suited for QB. Not even Charlie Weis. If he knew this then we wouldn't have to be awaiting his announcement of the 2 QB race. Be fair and get your head out of the Chicago clouds.

Sniper
05-17-2007, 02:30 PM
Someone must hate ND. What a surprise.

I don't know too many ND fans who are anticipating a national championship. For those who are, they must be the "fans" who watch ND because A)ND is on TV every week B)they're irish or C)their favorite movie is Rudy. As an ND fan, I do expect them to do well. As far as your prediction of 6-7 losses, that's just unreasonable and it's ashame you base such a lofty prediction off of your hatred for another team. I hate USC and Michigan, but I'm not going to make these irrational comments saying they're going to lose 3-4 games this year. Be reasonable.

Say what you will about the 06 team, they were too overhyped because of Brady Quinn and Jeff Samardjiza's previous season. The defense was still awful, and that's why they didn't do as good as anticipated. It's hard to win games when one's defense is letting up 40+ points a game.

As far as saying Charlie Weis isn't a decent coach is probably the most absurd statement you made throughout your terrible post. Once again, you're making comments with your heart and not your brain. In his two seasons as head coach he's been to two BCS bowls. They got smoked in both and that's all good and well, but he got to that point. And one can put up the argument that ND always gets the BCS bid because of their name. However, ND must finish within the top 10-13 (I'm not entirely sure which number) in the BCS. That's not an easy thing to do, and Charlie has accomplished that feat not once, but twice. Give credit where credit is due.

Hard to do? You had to win 9 games. Beat all 3 Armed Forces team and you're 33% there. ND does get there because of their name. If they're supposed to be ranked 15-18, NBC plays Rudy a couple of times and the voters bump them up to 10-13. Give me a break. ND has beaten no one good since Weis has been there. The only team that was highly ranked was #3 Michigan in 05, a team that fell flat on their face and finished 7-5. Other than that, who have they beaten? More importantly, other than the Bush Push game, they haven't even sniffed victory, losing by an average of almost 22 points.

Here's my ND prediction

Vs. Georgia Tech=Win
@ Penn State= Loss
@ Michigan=Loss
Vs. Michigan State= Probably a win, but Sparty always gives them fits
@ Purdue= Win
@ UCLA= Loss
Vs. Boston College= Loss
Vs. USC =Loss even with a 20 point head start
Vs. Navy= Annual Win
Vs. Air Force= Win
Vs. Duke=Win
@ Stanford= Win

7-5. BC game could be a toss-up.

machoking6
05-17-2007, 02:44 PM
Hard to do? You had to win 9 games. Beat all 3 Armed Forces team and you're 33% there. ND does get there because of their name. If they're supposed to be ranked 15-18, NBC plays Rudy a couple of times and the voters bump them up to 10-13. Give me a break. ND has beaten no one good since Weis has been there. The only team that was highly ranked was #3 Michigan in 05, a team that fell flat on their face and finished 7-5. Other than that, who have they beaten? More importantly, other than the Bush Push game, they haven't even sniffed victory, losing by an average of almost 22 points.

Here's my ND prediction

Vs. Georgia Tech=Win
@ Penn State= Loss
@ Michigan=Loss
Vs. Michigan State= Probably a win, but Sparty always gives them fits
@ Purdue= Win
@ UCLA= Loss
Vs. Boston College= Loss
Vs. USC =Loss even with a 20 point head start
Vs. Navy= Annual Win
Vs. Air Force= Win
Vs. Duke=Win
@ Stanford= Win

7-5. BC game could be a toss-up.

Having to play Army, Navy, and Air Force was atrocious. That was the first time in a while that they played all three of those schools in one season. But everyone has their share of awful matchups. Michigan played Central Michigan, Ball St. and Vanderbilt last season. And that's on top of the terrible Big 10 teams they had to play (Minnesota, Northerwestern, and Indiana). Ditto Ohio St. who got to play Northern Illinois, Bowling Green, and Cincinatti on top of Indiana, Minnesota, Illinois, and Northwestern. The national champions, Florida, played Central Florida and Western Carolina. Those two teams, combined with Southern Miss, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt, gives them more than enough cake games. Everybody has that schedule. It's just the way it goes.

Saying ND is ranked 15-18, then NBC plays Rudy, so the voters bump them up to 10-13 is a very uneducated statement. And it's also very lame. If you're going to go for the comedic factor then you got to raise your game Jerry Seinfeld.

JCarver27
05-17-2007, 03:05 PM
ND fans are absolutely ridiculous, they truly believe they will be national title contenders in 2008 and 2009 simply because of a couple of good recruiting classes.

The 06' ND team was ultra-talented and still flamed out.

All this bitching about Charlie 'not having his players', and this and that, it's garbage. He isn't even a decent coach, and he publicly makes an ass out of himself at least five times a year.

So what happens after this season is a total disappointment? The season where Charlie has all of his own players, players expected to be 3 and out, and still loses 6-7 games. Oh, you just wait till 09'.

ND and Nebraska fans are in for some pretty big surprises the next few years, because the leaders of your respected programs at this point are unscrupulous and lack the talent/coaching ability to satisfy their lofty ambitions.
holy crap. i couldn't endorse this anymore if i tried.

reese
05-17-2007, 03:05 PM
Who cares about what Clausen did or did not do in his highlight tapes. Nobody here knows exactly what they're talking about. That's why we're on a message board. I'm sick of reading, "Well Rivals said this, and Rivals said that." I don't care if they show a video of him chucking the ball 80 yards or 20 yards. The only thing I care about is if he can get under the center and be able to take the pressure of being ND's QB. And nobody can say for sure how he'll do with that. Any praise and any criticism is unnecessary at this point. The only thing we can say about Clausen is that he was the #1 recruit in all of high school football this past season. That's a mighty impressive notion. To say that Clausen is overrated and/or overhyped is an uneducated response. The experts ruled that Clausen was the best of the best. I believe what they have to say considering that they have a wealth of knowledge in scouting. And trust me, I don't think the scouts are on their computers checking out the highlight tapes on Rivals.

And for those of you who are preaching Demetrius Jones over Jimmy Clausen, make sure you choose him without your own prejudices (you're black and you're from Chicago).


u must not get the point of a football message board....thats what its here for...for ppl to discuss and exchange opinions on whats goin on in sports so if we wanna talk about if clausen is gonna be good or bad or overrated or whatever we wanna say then this is the place to do it if u dont like it then dont read the post

HuskerNation
05-17-2007, 03:12 PM
ND fans are absolutely ridiculous, they truly believe they will be national title contenders in 2008 and 2009 simply because of a couple of good recruiting classes.

The 06' ND team was ultra-talented and still flamed out.

All this bitching about Charlie 'not having his players', and this and that, it's garbage. He isn't even a decent coach, and he publicly makes an ass out of himself at least five times a year.

So what happens after this season is a total disappointment? The season where Charlie has all of his own players, players expected to be 3 and out, and still loses 6-7 games. Oh, you just wait till 09'.

ND and Nebraska fans are in for some pretty big surprises the next few years, because the leaders of your respected programs at this point are unscrupulous and lack the talent/coaching ability to satisfy their lofty ambitions.

Nebraska has been on it's way up ever since Solich left, and there's no reason to think it won't continue. Callahan brings in top flight prospects every year.

machoking6
05-17-2007, 03:15 PM
u must not get the point of a football message board....thats what its here for...for ppl to discuss and exchange opinions on whats goin on in sports so if we wanna talk about if clausen is gonna be good or bad or overrated or whatever we wanna say then this is the place to do it if u dont like it then dont read the post

I'm all for DISCUSSING and EXCHANGING opinions. I enjoy that, and a lot of other people do as well. But I'm not for one person badgering another person on what they think is right and what they think is wrong. Everybody is entitled to an opinion. But it crosses a line when one person (ND haters/ND homers) is so stubborn in their rigid opinions that they're not willing to bend. There is no DISCUSSION, just arguing over something as stupid as whether or not a player that has yet to play a college snap will be a good QB or not.

reese
05-17-2007, 03:21 PM
i was tryin to make discussion y ppl think he will be good or not...i havent seen anything to say he will be good so i asked if anyone else had

dabears10
05-17-2007, 03:34 PM
Surprise, surprise. Someone from Chicago wants Demetrius Jones to win the QB job at ND.

I didn't even see him play that much high school ball at all. I know he is talented, and HIS PERSONALITY is what I believe will make him successful. Jimmy Clausen has always seemed arrogant. Jones acts like a leader and talks like one in every interview he has ever given.

Those are the attributes I look for. A playermaker is not always a guy who is a phenomenal athlete, however, he is a guy who has the attitude that he is going to make the play. You still see this with Brett Favre, a man I hate, he does not have the athletic skills to get something done but he does it because he is a playmaker.

I think you believe since I am a Chicago native that I believe every chicagoan is better than other players. I'm not dull, the So Cal area is where the best football players come from, but considering you believe that everyone is bias then I must be as well.

machoking6
05-17-2007, 03:54 PM
I didn't even see him play that much high school ball at all. I know he is talented, and HIS PERSONALITY is what I believe will make him successful. Jimmy Clausen has always seemed arrogant. Jones acts like a leader and talks like one in every interview he has ever given.

Those are the attributes I look for. A playermaker is not always a guy who is a phenomenal athlete, however, he is a guy who has the attitude that he is going to make the play. You still see this with Brett Favre, a man I hate, he does not have the athletic skills to get something done but he does it because he is a playmaker.

I think you believe since I am a Chicago native that I believe every chicagoan is better than other players. I'm not dull, the So Cal area is where the best football players come from, but considering you believe that everyone is bias then I must be as well.

I'm not doubting his talent. I'm not doubting that he's better than Clausen. On that same token, I'm not doubting that Clausen is better than him. Personally, I really hope it's one of the two who gets the starting nod. But I'm not jumping to any conclusions by saying one of them is better than the other because there is no proof of that yet.

I want ND's next starting QB to be someone who is good and will be great. I want someone who will digest the playbook and will be able to run the offense efficiently. I don't know who that will be yet. Nobody does, so we'll have to wait til the summer. But I don't care if the new QB is a pompous jerk, or someone who is well spoken in interviews. If he wins ball games, then that's all I care about.

Sniper
05-17-2007, 05:03 PM
Having to play Army, Navy, and Air Force was atrocious. That was the first time in a while that they played all three of those schools in one season. But everyone has their share of awful matchups. Michigan played Central Michigan, Ball St. and Vanderbilt last season. And that's on top of the terrible Big 10 teams they had to play (Minnesota, Northerwestern, and Indiana). Ditto Ohio St. who got to play Northern Illinois, Bowling Green, and Cincinatti on top of Indiana, Minnesota, Illinois, and Northwestern. The national champions, Florida, played Central Florida and Western Carolina. Those two teams, combined with Southern Miss, Kentucky, and Vanderbilt, gives them more than enough cake games. Everybody has that schedule. It's just the way it goes.

Saying ND is ranked 15-18, then NBC plays Rudy, so the voters bump them up to 10-13 is a very uneducated statement. And it's also very lame. If you're going to go for the comedic factor then you got to raise your game Jerry Seinfeld.

OK I'm a Michigan fan. I'm not even gonna try to defend the Ball State game. Vandy was an SEC team. If you're gonna schedule a cupcake, at least make it an SEC team. CMU I guess is a geographic rival, but also pretty tough to excuse. Can't do anything about the conference games though. You're locked into a conference you have to play those teams. ND, on the other hand, gets to pick every team they play. SC and Michigan are major rivalries and I suppose Navy and MSU are "semi-rivals". (I say semi because Navy is 0-38 or something in the past 40 years). Seriously though, all 3 service academies? Might as well ask the Marines to get a team too.

Your point about schedules is accurate, I won't argue with you. But your BCS game point doesn't exactly mean much when you're losing 34-20 and 41-17. Oddly enough, you don't comment on the results vs. ranked teams point (OSU, USC, UM, LSU)

machoking6
05-17-2007, 05:57 PM
OK I'm a Michigan fan. I'm not even gonna try to defend the Ball State game. Vandy was an SEC team. If you're gonna schedule a cupcake, at least make it an SEC team. CMU I guess is a geographic rival, but also pretty tough to excuse. Can't do anything about the conference games though. You're locked into a conference you have to play those teams. ND, on the other hand, gets to pick every team they play. SC and Michigan are major rivalries and I suppose Navy and MSU are "semi-rivals". (I say semi because Navy is 0-38 or something in the past 40 years). Seriously though, all 3 service academies? Might as well ask the Marines to get a team too.

Your point about schedules is accurate, I won't argue with you. But your BCS game point doesn't exactly mean much when you're losing 34-20 and 41-17. Oddly enough, you don't comment on the results vs. ranked teams point (OSU, USC, UM, LSU)

Everyone hates on Notre Dame for their schedule, but a majority of the games they play are deemed rivalries. Some of these rivalries are big, some of them small. USC, Michigan, and Michigan St. are all big rivalries, and those should not be questioned. Purdue is another team they play year in and year out because they are in-state foes. Navy is another one they always play and it's considered to be a rivalry because of what you said about Navy never beating ND. BC is a rivalry I consider, but I guess opinions vary. They are another catholic college filled with guys who wanted to go to ND, but couldn't. And thus, they have ND's number. Stanford is a team that they have always played as far as I can remember. And Army, as bad as they are, have some kind of rivalry with ND dating back to the Knute Rockne era. My point with all this is that a good majority of all their games have some sort of significance behind it. When they do schedule games with teams they never play, they schedule them with very good teams. For instance, last year and this year they have Georgia Tech and Penn St. They also have UCLA, but I'm not going to say they are very good. But, in all fairness, they are good (a lot better than Vanderbilt, Ball St., or Central Michigan). I remember several years ago ND and Michigan decided to take one another off each other's schedule for 2 years. ND picked up Nebraska. Those were the Eric Crouch/National Champion contender days. Michigan picked up Rice. Michigan is locked into it's conference and I understand that. But you gotta understand the history of such games like Navy, Army, Stanford, and Purdue for ND.

ND making it to BCS bowls has a lot to do with the fact that they are ND. As long as they are in the top 13 of the BCS, they will most likely get picked. But that's because ND produces money. And until a playoff system ensues, it'll always be that way. They generate money and in the end, these big sponsors who represent the Sugar, Fiesta, Orange, and Rose Bowls will always want ND because of the fanfare that will pay to see them. But ND MUST be in the top 13 of the BCS rankings. They get to that point by winning in the season. The sponsors of the BCS bowls have no impact on what ND does during the regular season. You can argue that they get in that top 13 through easy wins, but Michigan has just as many easy games, if not more, as ND.

Finally, you mention how I'm ducking the point that ND has gotten smoked by the ranked opponents. Quite frankly, that's because I don't dwell on the past. I never turn back...I'm always looking forward. In my opinion, either you're the national champion or you're not. ND is not and thus, I look towards next season. If I really wanted to dwell on the past, then I could mention how ND has beaten Michigan 3 out of the past 5 years. But it doesn't matter to me. All that matters to me is what happenes starting September 1st when Georgia Tech comes to South Bend.

dabears10
05-17-2007, 06:12 PM
I'm not doubting his talent. I'm not doubting that he's better than Clausen. On that same token, I'm not doubting that Clausen is better than him. Personally, I really hope it's one of the two who gets the starting nod. But I'm not jumping to any conclusions by saying one of them is better than the other because there is no proof of that yet.

I want ND's next starting QB to be someone who is good and will be great. I want someone who will digest the playbook and will be able to run the offense efficiently. I don't know who that will be yet. Nobody does, so we'll have to wait til the summer. But I don't care if the new QB is a pompous jerk, or someone who is well spoken in interviews. If he wins ball games, then that's all I care about.

Okay, it's not like I was saying that DJ will be the QB. It's just the guy I want and believe to be the best. Obviously I am not talking about anything with real evidence. Just that gut feeling I get.

Irish.