MMA Discussion Thread - SPOILERS!

[TapouT]

There is a big difference between Dan Hendersons clinch game and Rich Franklins clinch game, in fact the two shouldnt be mentioned in the same sentence. There is a difference between a Greco Roman clinch and Muay Thai clinch. If Dan gets the Greco roman clinch hes going to be able to put Anderson wherever he wants him. I think you are all underestimating Danny, look at what a dehydrated Travis LUtter accomplished against Anderson. I am favoring Dan Henderson in this fight. I would not be surprised if Anderson abandons the clinch and tries keeping Dan at a distance using Jabs and Low Kicks to set him up for a KO with the fists. I really do not feel Anderson wants any part of Hendo's Olympic caliber Roman Greco.

How can you say look at what Travis Lutter did all he did was get trapped in a submission and how can you favor Hendo I see Henderson has a advantage with wrestling but Silva is the favourite for me because even with a takedown from Henderson rememeber Silva has Ju-Jitsu skills which he showed against Lutter traping him in a submission he is also is a Phenomenal Striker who is so well rounded its insane standing up on the ground Silva can beat you in my eyes Silva is pound for pound the best fighter in UFC right now and Henderson is still shaken by that loss from Rampage & I see this match Silva but I think that everyone will be shocked by actually seeing one of Silvas fights go to decision.

[cordscords]

Tito took the fight w/ Machida.

Liddell also stated he would like to avenge his loss against Jardine.

[ccB]

Dan Henderson has maybe the best chin in MMA, he can afford to eat a punch or two to get the greco clilnch on Silva. Silva's BJJ is pretty overrated, its solid for sure but hes not a world class Jiu Jitsu guy to the likes of Werdum, Jacare, Penn etc. If Dan Henderson gets the takedown he will win this fight. He will get on top and control grind Silva down. The UFC has been very smart with who they put in front of Silva, mostly bangers who will slug with him. The exception to that was the fight against the dehydrated Travis Lutter and Nate Marquardt, neither of which who have the takedown skills of Danny. Lutter was able to take down Silva pretty easily (why I referenced him in the first post) and Lutter had him in a bad position in the first round even getting the full mount. If Silva allows Hendo to drag him to the ground as easily as he did Lutter, Hendo will get him down, wear him out with shots and will either win via GNP TKO or Unanimous decision. I love Silva, easily one of my top 5 favorite fighters, but matchups make fights and I think this is a bad matchup for Silva.


If the likes of Wanderlei Silva, Gilbert Yvel, and Vitor Belfort couldnt put Hendo to sleep I do not think Anderson will either.

[Rob S]

Anywhere in Europe you can find an English / Irish pub that will show English Soccer, always find one when on my holidays haha. The Irish leagues for soccer are very poor so it's extremely likely that you can find Premiership games there. With regards to UFC, I'm not too sure really, In Ireland you might get UFC on Setanta, but other than that your guess is as good as mine. Hope that helps a little.

Thanks man!

[UKfan]

Dan Henderson has maybe the best chin in MMA, he can afford to eat a punch or two to get the greco clilnch on Silva. Silva's BJJ is pretty overrated, its solid for sure but hes not a world class Jiu Jitsu guy to the likes of Werdum, Jacare, Penn etc. If Dan Henderson gets the takedown he will win this fight. He will get on top and control grind Silva down. The UFC has been very smart with who they put in front of Silva, mostly bangers who will slug with him. The exception to that was the fight against the dehydrated Travis Lutter and Nate Marquardt, neither of which who have the takedown skills of Danny. Lutter was able to take down Silva pretty easily (why I referenced him in the first post) and Lutter had him in a bad position in the first round even getting the full mount. If Silva allows Hendo to drag him to the ground as easily as he did Lutter, Hendo will get him down, wear him out with shots and will either win via GNP TKO or Unanimous decision. I love Silva, easily one of my top 5 favorite fighters, but matchups make fights and I think this is a bad matchup for Silva.


If the likes of Wanderlei Silva, Gilbert Yvel, and Vitor Belfort couldnt put Hendo to sleep I do not think Anderson will either.

Alongside probably Big Nog.

Kind of a stupid question but since I haven't seen too many Anderson fights, how's his cardio? With Hendo's solid chin and clinch game, the fight could go into the later rounds and I know Hendo has mad cardio, so I just wondered how Anderson compared.

[Rob S]

Alongside probably Big Nog.

Kind of a stupid question but since I haven't seen too many Anderson fights, how's his cardio? With Hendo's solid chin and clinch game, the fight could go into the later rounds and I know Hendo has mad cardio, so I just wondered how Anderson compared.

hmmm...he never really goes the distance as of late, but he has the build of a guy who seems like he wouldnt get tired. I know he doesnt run at all really, but that can actually help with his cardio because as pedro rizzo says, runners run, fighters fight. The one time I remember for sure that he went more than ten minutes was his loss to Ryo chonan, but i dont remember him gassing. Other then that his last 9 fight have been over in the first 2 frames.

[UKfan]

hmmm...he never really goes the distance as of late, but he has the build of a guy who seems like he wouldnt get tired. I know he doesnt run at all really, but that can actually help with his cardio because as pedro rizzo says, runners run, fighters fight. The one time I remember for sure that he went more than ten minutes was his loss to Ryo chonan, but i dont remember him gassing. Other then that his last 9 fight have been over in the first 2 frames.

Yeah, he doesn't look like the type to gas, but it could play a role in the fight maybe if it goes long I think, being in there with Hendo I doubt Anderson finishes quickly. Thanks anyways.

[JF4]

Though it has still yet to be confirmed as Montreal the UFC 84 event is shaping up to be a great one. Along with GSP vs. Serra there is Thiago Alves vs Karo Parisyan and also there are rumors that both Shogun Rua and Sean Sherk will make their return to UFC on that card. If Sherk were to fight than I would hope it woul be against Penn and that would make it 2 title fights on the night. There are also a few Canadian MMA stars scheduled to fight which is a smart move by UFC.

The rumored card is this right now.
Date: April 19
Location: Montreal, Canada
Venue: Bell Centre
Broadcast: TBA

Champ Matt Serra vs. Georges St. Pierre (title-unification bout)
Thiago Alves vs. Karo Parisyan
Mauricio “Shogun” Rua vs. TBA
Sean Sherk vs. TBA
Jason MacDonald vs. TBA
Jonathan Goulet vs. TBA

Damn, that's a fine lookin card already.

And I want to say this. UFC has never seen fans like the ones in Montreal. If they have this event they will end up returning at least once every year. The fans in Montreal are actually crazy and they love their wrestling/mma. I've been to a WWE PPV at the Bell Centre and that was wild, I can only imagine what's going to happen with a top-notch MMA event.

I would also like to say. I WILL be in attendance at this event. I'm doing everything in my power to get tickets and I even have some connections that these tickets might be pretty good. Going to a UFC event live is definately something i've always wanted to do and I will make my dream come true.

[Ravens1991]

your lucky JF4 that does look like a sick card.

[TapouT]

Though it has still yet to be confirmed as Montreal the UFC 84 event is shaping up to be a great one. Along with GSP vs. Serra there is Thiago Alves vs Karo Parisyan and also there are rumors that both Shogun Rua and Sean Sherk will make their return to UFC on that card. If Sherk were to fight than I would hope it woul be against Penn and that would make it 2 title fights on the night. There are also a few Canadian MMA stars scheduled to fight which is a smart move by UFC.

The rumored card is this right now.
Date: April 19
Location: Montreal, Canada
Venue: Bell Centre
Broadcast: TBA

Champ Matt Serra vs. Georges St. Pierre (title-unification bout)
Thiago Alves vs. Karo Parisyan
Mauricio “Shogun” Rua vs. TBA
Sean Sherk vs. TBA
Jason MacDonald vs. TBA
Jonathan Goulet vs. TBA

Damn, that's a fine lookin card already.

And I want to say this. UFC has never seen fans like the ones in Montreal. If they have this event they will end up returning at least once every year. The fans in Montreal are actually crazy and they love their wrestling/mma. I've been to a WWE PPV at the Bell Centre and that was wild, I can only imagine what's going to happen with a top-notch MMA event.

I would also like to say. I WILL be in attendance at this event. I'm doing everything in my power to get tickets and I even have some connections that these tickets might be pretty good. Going to a UFC event live is definately something i've always wanted to do and I will make my dream come true.

Its great to see the UFC fnally bring the UFC to canada I have been waitng for this for a while now lets just hope it wont be canceled like the others. Im definitely driving up to Montreal to see this one

[Ravens1991]

makes me wish they would have one in Baltimore I would be the 1st one in line.

[fenikz]

If they ever brought it to Phoenix it would sell out instantly, you have to wait at hooter's for an hour just to get a table & that is an hour before the thing even starts

I kind of wish we were still a small city

[Ravens1991]

try a hooters outsideof phoenix it probably won't be as crowded.

[Wootylicous]

Man UFC is coming in Montreal. I'm gonna be there for sure.

[Ravens1991]

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/01/12/wanderlei-silva-and-keith-jardine-most-likely-opponents-for-chuck-liddell/


either Wand or Jardine will be Liddell next match. I say someone that Liddell hasn't fought yet.

[TapouT]

I think that the winner of Ortiz VS Machida will fight Lidell and it is said that Machida wants to fight Lidell nexthttp://www.mmafightline.com/news/2008/15/ufc_312715.shtml. but im hearing alot of things like Lidell wanting to fight Jardine again a fight against Shogun and another rematch against Wand. http://www.ufcdaily.com/2008/01/03/chuck-liddell-and-wanderlei-silva-whats-next/

[Ravens1991]

ehhh I dont wanna see Liddell VS. Ortiz 3 if Tito wins.

[soybean]

ehhh I dont wanna see Liddell VS. Ortiz 3 if Tito wins.

yeah, that would be a horrible fight.

it'd be like shamrock ortiz 3.

[TapouT]

Ortiz Vs Lidell 3 I wouldnt want to see either but who said Ortiz would beat Machida I can see Machida getting the victory over Ortiz by submission in that one.

[ccB]

I'd be willing to bet my left nut that if Machida beats Ortiz he gets a title shot. Thats the reason they put him against their cash cow Ortiz, to build up his name.

[TapouT]

very true I see this fight as nothing more then a preview for fans to see what Machida can do in the octagon once he gets his title shot.

[619]

I hope my boy Ortiz beats his ass, Machida is one of the most boring fighters out there IMO. Sylvia holds that honor btw.

[TapouT]

Yeah but even if Machida is a boring fighter Tito is a cocky ass hole that dont deserve a title shot since all he does is run his mouth and when he runs his mouth and cant back it up he runs off from the company to be on the Apprentice. Tito needs a reality check he cant be running his mouth about beating up a 40 year old man 3 times forever and plus I guarntee you Machida will trap him in a submission and then whats he goona run his mouth about after that.

[619]

Yeah but even if Machida is a boring fighter Tito is a cocky ass hole that dont deserve a title shot since all he does is run his mouth and when he runs his mouth and cant back it up he runs off from the company to be on the Apprentice. Tito needs a reality check he cant be running his mouth about beating up a 40 year old man 3 times forever and plus I guarntee you Machida will trap him in a submission and then whats he goona run his mouth about after that.

Titos one of the best personalities in the UFC and brings in mad money. You can hate him all you want but in the end he brings in what they want.. $$$$$$

[ccB]

Tito Ortiz is a huge PPV draw for whatever reason people love him. The UFC often puts him against young fighters that they want to be super stars (Rashad Evans, Forrest Griffin) Thus the reason I think they put Machida against him, they want to introduce the biggest audience possible to Machida, and other than Liddell no one pulls the crowd and PPV numbers Tito does.

[TapouT]

Titos one of the best personalities in the UFC and brings in mad money. You can hate him all you want but in the end he brings in what they want.. $$$$$$

Yeah ill agree with you Tito brings in the $$$$$ but the best personality in the UFC you have to be kidding the guy is the opposite of a great personality guys like GSP in my mind is the personality that the sport is lacking but me personally im not a guy that likes such serious fighters I like trash talking to but to a certain point like Rampage jokes and trash talks but wont push it over the edge guys like Tito he also is ungrateful and will abandoned the company when things arent goin his way unlike guys who are loyal like Lidell who rarely complain about there title shots or PPV spot. In my mind the reason I pay money to see Ortiz on PPV is just so I might see him get his ass kicked you can like Tito all you like but ive never liked Ortiz plus this is his first fight back after coming off a loss and tie he dont deserve a shot yet.

[Ravens1991]

yea I like Tito fighting style but I hate his trash talk. I wanted to see Dan Henderson kick his ass but they didn't get the fight set up.

[bernbabybern820]

Yeah but even if Machida is a boring fighter Tito is a cocky ass hole that dont deserve a title shot since all he does is run his mouth and when he runs his mouth and cant back it up he runs off from the company to be on the Apprentice. Tito needs a reality check he cant be running his mouth about beating up a 40 year old man 3 times forever and plus I guarntee you Machida will trap him in a submission and then whats he goona run his mouth about after that.

He has a very bad back. The reason he was able to go on the apprentice was because he needed time to rest up his back.

[Ravens1991]

how does everyone like my new Dan Henderson sig? I hope he takes Anderson, I think he will if he greco clinchs him and gets takedowns.

[fenikz]

Hollywood Henderson is still a better nickname, I've never been a fan of giving yourself a nickname, but nice sig

[Ravens1991]

the thing about Hollywood Henderson is there is nothing hollywood about him. I could see if he had a Phil Baroni/Tito Ortiz like attitude and style but he seems more blue collar so I dont see how Hollywood would fit.

[ccB]

the thing about Hollywood Henderson is there is nothing hollywood about him. I could see if he had a Phil Baroni/Tito Ortiz like attitude and style but he seems more blue collar so I dont see how Hollywood would fit.

I believe they call him Hollywood because of where he lives, not because of the attitude he carries. For the record my favorite nickname for him is 'Hendo'

[fenikz]

Anyone know what the name of the position Ryan Schultz is in CCB's sig?

it has to be one of the most dominate i could think of, i can't think of a way to get out of it, or even a way how to get someone into it

he has his legs split and his left arm trapped behind his back

[Ravens1991]

I know in wrestling when you have his arm like that it is called a hammerlock, I guess a half-guard hammerlock.

[fenikz]

don't you have to be behind someone for a hammerlock

[UKfan]

Anyone know what the name of the position Ryan Schultz is in CCB's sig?

it has to be one of the most dominate i could think of, i can't think of a way to get out of it, or even a way how to get someone into it

he has his legs split and his left arm trapped behind his back

I think it's just a more dominant version of the halfguard to be honest.

[Ravens1991]

don't you have to be behind someone for a hammerlock

yea but if you are behind someone you can turn them and keep their arm like that. I think UKfan is right it is just a dminating half/guard. I doubt it has a name

[JF4]

Though it has still yet to be confirmed as Montreal the UFC 84 event is shaping up to be a great one. Along with GSP vs. Serra there is Thiago Alves vs Karo Parisyan and also there are rumors that both Shogun Rua and Sean Sherk will make their return to UFC on that card. If Sherk were to fight than I would hope it woul be against Penn and that would make it 2 title fights on the night. There are also a few Canadian MMA stars scheduled to fight which is a smart move by UFC.

The rumored card is this right now.
Date: April 19
Location: Montreal, Canada
Venue: Bell Centre
Broadcast: TBA

Champ Matt Serra vs. Georges St. Pierre (title-unification bout)
Thiago Alves vs. Karo Parisyan
Mauricio “Shogun” Rua vs. TBA
Sean Sherk vs. TBA
Jason MacDonald vs. TBA
Jonathan Goulet vs. TBA

Damn, that's a fine lookin card already.

And I want to say this. UFC has never seen fans like the ones in Montreal. If they have this event they will end up returning at least once every year. The fans in Montreal are actually crazy and they love their wrestling/mma. I've been to a WWE PPV at the Bell Centre and that was wild, I can only imagine what's going to happen with a top-notch MMA event.

I would also like to say. I WILL be in attendance at this event. I'm doing everything in my power to get tickets and I even have some connections that these tickets might be pretty good. Going to a UFC event live is definately something i've always wanted to do and I will make my dream come true.

And it only get's better. According to rumors from thefightnetwork.com Rich Franklin might fight Travis Lutter on the April Card in Montreal. And Patrick Cote may fight too.


Also, I don't know if you guys saw this but...

Former PRIDE heavyweight champion and current M-1 Global fighter Fedor Emelianenko will meet with estranged UFC heavyweight champion Randy Couture on Thursday — likely to discuss the bout that the two fighters have long desired.

http://mmajunkie.com/2008/01/14/fedor-emelianenko-and-randy-couture-to-meet-on-thursday/

[Ravens1991]

good we need them 2 fight

[ccB]

Anyone watching the PPV? Kendall Grove got KTFO again! Poor spyda.

[fenikz]

Anyone watching the PPV? Kendall Grove got KTFO again! Poor spyda.

can you keep the rest of the results to yourself, i wasn't waking up at 12 to watch that shiz so i'm going to hooters later

anyone know what time it's reairing?

or maybe a link to it online

[ccB]

can you keep the rest of the results to yourself, i wasn't waking up at 12 to watch that shiz so i'm going to hooters later

anyone know what time it's reairing?Its on right now, started at 3 pm not 12. Just avoid the thread.

[fenikz]

3 your time is 12 mine

[UKfan]

Very good card, I won't reveal any results, but whatever you do, watch the first 30 seconds of the Taylor v Kelly fight, wow!

[bernbabybern820]

This UFC was surprisingly very entertaining. Bravo for my favorite fighter dominating.

[soybean]

that event was so sick. dude got dominated.

[Ravens1991]

BJ Penn is a beast, Lambert go KOed hard. I liked the card. But I am looking forward to the HWT title match next card.

[fenikz]

I hate B.J. Penn but I admit he is really good, Sherk could take him though IMO

[soybean]

I hate B.J. Penn but I admit he is really good, Sherk could take him though IMO

nah i disagree. the thing about BJ Penn is he rushes you from the beginning. For everyone else if you rush, it's easy for you to lose your balance, but that's Penn's strength to be able to rush you yet at the same time keep himself upright.

I honestly don't know what sherk would do. Bring BJ Penn to the ground? that's where BJ is strongest.

[Ravens1991]

yea I got BJ Penn against Sherk.

[Man_Of_Steel]

wow, rapid fire was terrible. Maybe bc Im comparing it to ufc 79 but to me it just felt empty.

[UKfan]

wow, rapid fire was terrible. Maybe bc Im comparing it to ufc 79 but to me it just felt empty.

What makes you say it was terrible, lack of big names, looking at the fights if you didn't know who the guys were, I thought they were interesting.

[Man_Of_Steel]

What makes you say it was terrible, lack of big names, looking at the fights if you didn't know who the guys were, I thought they were interesting.

The lack of big names didnt bother me much, it was the lack of excitement surrounding it. To me it just felt like the UFC was trying to get past this ppv, maybe it was just me.

[Ravens1991]

yea well they are planning bigger ppv for UFC 81-82 and 84, I agree w/ UKfan, granted there weren't any big names except Penn, but I enjoyed every fight.

[TapouT]

I dont like when the UFC is in the UK because they dont hype the PPV enough to even be worth it being on PPV one of the main reasons i didnt buy it at 3 but i did catch the reair and the PPV was pretty good but expect the UFC to produce bigger events in the future.

[fenikz]

all the fights are on this site on the right side

http://www.mmatko.com

[JF4]

all the fights are on this site on the right side

http://www.mmatko.com

I get errors. Am I the only one?

[Ravens1991]

UFC probably got them off by now.

[fenikz]

idk they are still working for me

[soybean]

you know what impressed me is when they were getting ready for the fight, BJ Penn had a six pack of abs.

1) six packs are ard to get in a short amount of time

2) this shows that he really trained for this fight because, people always questioned his work ethic, and thought he relied too much on his own talent.

now he just shows how crazy he can be/is if he combines his talent+work ethic. He'll be tought to beat in this weight class.

[Ravens1991]

yea I would love to see a fit BJ Penn VS. GSP. That is a dream match up.

[JF4]

Hasn't been a post in here in a while.

http://img301.imageshack.us/img301/5466/71328514dx3.png

UFC 81 tommorow! Can't wait to see how Brock Lesnar looks in the Octagon.

Hopefully Big Nog and Sylvia's fight will be watchable, Sylvia has been in some baaaad fights.

It's nice to see Jeremy Horn fighting again, he has a chin of steel and I think he's going to beat Marquardt.

[fenikz]

I really hope Big Nog beats Slylvia, I don't think I could stand another reign of him as the HW champ

I don't think Lesnar is going to do anything in MMA

Griffin vs Tibau should be pretty insane

[Ravens1991]

I think if it goes to decision Lesnar wins, if it is ended early then Mir wins.

[UKfan]

Lesnar purely on athletic ability has great potential, but I really hope he's trained his ass off and isn't taking this as a joke, or he will get KTFO. His jits needs to be up to par or Mir will take advantage, even if Lesnar dumps Mir on his back with his wrestling. Anyway, I'm going Mir, simply because Brock is unknown in terms of MMA, and inexperienced.

Anyway I strongly think Nog vs Sylvia will go Nog's way, I'm struggling to see a way for Timmy to win, granted I'm a Nog fan, but Nog can strike with Tim I think and his ground game is better. I'm not disrespecting Timmy, but I think Nog has great head movement and hands.

I think Marquardt and Horn could be great, and this one I am struggling to call, but I think I am going to go Marquardt by UD. No real logic, but I think he can hang with Horn on the ground and edge it on the feet.

I love watching Tyson Griffin, so him and Tibau I'm expecting to be a contender for fight of the night. I think Tyson takes it.

I've got to say I don't know anything about Yundt at all, he's undefeated but he has an underwhelming resume, I'll go for Almeida.

The undercard on paper looks underwhelming, but Martin, Emerson, Lytle and Heath are my picks, Martin by KO.

Let me know what you think. We should try and get some sort of prediction contest going if enough people are interested.

[Ravens1991]

I will post my picks later.


Word is Chuck VS. Shogun in June.

[Man_Of_Steel]

Im goin Lesner all the way, I think he's gonna be the HW champ very soon.

[cordscords]

I will post my picks later.


Word is Chuck VS. Shogun in June.

Chuck vs Shogun look sick!

I've got Sylvia and Lesnar winning 2morrow.

[jayceheathman]

Chuck vs Shogun look sick!

I've got Sylvia and Lesnar winning 2morrow.

I got Silvia winning and Lesnar winning as well. Lesnar has a steller wrestling background but its still to be seen if he is any good at martial arts. Not to mention Vera kicked Mir's ass not too long ago in like 45 seconds. Lesnar is far and away bigger than Vera is.

For Silvia to win he has to stay up. Nogeuira is too powerful with submissions. I took Silvia because he has a huge reach advantage.

[energizerbunny]

Can't wait for the Lesnar fight, he has looked pretty good in pride

[UKfan]

Can't wait for the Lesnar fight, he has looked pretty good in pride

Huh? Lesnar hasn't fought in PRIDE as far as I know, he fought Min Soo Kim in K1 for his MMA debut, and that's it until now a big reason I picked Mir in spite of Lesnar's obvious physical and wrestling advantages.

[soybean]

i bet it's pretty hard to sub lesnar too because he can just power through them.

[UKfan]

i bet it's pretty hard to sub lesnar too because he can just power through them.

Depends, he still needs to know the correct escapes. At the end of the day if he gets caught in a serious armbar and tries to power out, Mir will snap it, he's done so before.

Like I say previously, as freaky an athlete as he is, he still needs to be knowledgable enough or it won't matter, and until I see it, I'll take Mir.

[Ravens1991]

"A few other notes. Lesnar's hands are the largest for any combat sports athlete in the history of the state of Nevada. He needed 4XL gloves, and even they were slightly on the small side. The only fighter ever to wear 4XL gloves was South Korean giant Choi Hong-man, who is 7-3 and 367 pounds. While we didn't get the exact number, people were also stunned by Lesnar's reach, as it was longer than Tim Sylvia's. However, that probably won't play much of a part because boxing at range probably isn't in his strategy."

from Dave Meltzer

Lesnar has everything needed to be a champ one day.

[bwillie26]

Did anyone but me find the point deduction and stoppage in the Lesnar - Mir fight a bit odd?

No warning and a quick point deduction. If the fighter had even been hurt from a shot to the back of the head, his equilibrium would be totally off and no way he could continue that quickly.

Then the stoppage when the fighter tapped 8 times before Mazzagatti even decided to jump in, when the fighter was tapping about 2 feet directly in front of him.

Mazzagatti was acting like he was clueless out there.

[cordscords]

Did anyone but me find the point deduction and stoppage in the Lesnar - Mir fight a bit odd?

No warning and a quick point deduction. If the fighter had even been hurt from a shot to the back of the head, his equilibrium would be totally off and no way he could continue that quickly.

Then the stoppage when the fighter tapped 8 times before Mazzagatti even decided to jump in, when the fighter was tapping about 2 feet directly in front of him.

Mazzagatti was acting like he was clueless out there.

Completely agree. Did not like the reffing in that fight.

*SPOILERS BELOW*
















Lesnar looked like he was going to finish Frank early....then the inexperience showed up. He swept Mir's legs and took him down 5 seconds into the fight. He started pounding away landing some hard clean shots, but got a point deducted for a hit to the back of the head (which I thought was a BS call). They stand them both back up, and Lesnar drops Mir with a nasty right hook. He goes back to the ground and pound landing more good shots. Lesnar got a little over confident and put some space between him and Mir so he could try to finish him. His leg was free and Mir grabbed onto it, turned Lesnar over, and get him to tap out with the legbar.

Definitley a lot of potential in Brock, and I think he will become a star with more fights under his belt.
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Sylvia was outstriking him and avoided the takedown for 2 rounds, then Nog finally took him down and got him to tap. Very impressive. He showed a lot of heart.

[bwillie26]

How exactly does talking about something that has already happened qualify as a spoiler?

In any case, Lesnar was a little baby in tapping. The knee bar was not that deep in. All he had to do is take his foot, put it on Mir's butt and push himself out of the knee bar attempt. I'm guessing he was not well schooled enough to know this, though.

The point deduction was just plain stupid. No warning and it may have been 20-30 seconds into the first round. Lesnar is raining down punches on Mir and looks like it could be coming to a stop, but Mazzagatti not only steps in, but takes a point. Just plain weird.

Lesnar may have only lasted 1:30 or so, but it was pretty obvious that if he becomes taught well in BJJ defense, he could become an outstanding heavyweight in a year or two. Mir was just a horrible matchup for his skills he has right now. I just hope Lesnar keeps at it like he said, because he has endless potential in this sport if he continues to work.

And Nog .. that has to be the biggest snake in the grass I have ever seen. Sylvia said it best "the guy always gets his a** kicked for a couple rounds, then he pulls out a submission and thats why he's one of the best in the world." Sylvia was just picking him apart and should have ended this fight easily in the 1st round when he dropped Nog. But somehow Nog withstands the fury and gets him two rounds later.

I have to say, that submission made my night. I've met Sylvia before and in 10 minutes of knowing him, I have to say no one has ever ticked me off as much as he did. He better be glad he is a giant and could kick my butt in 30 seconds, otherwise he would be in for a hurtin'! :)

[cordscords]

How exactly does talking about something that has already happened qualify as a spoiler?


Because I could still spoil it for someone who didnt order the PPV.

[Rich Jr]

Because I could still spoil it for someone who didnt order the PPV.If I didn't order it on PPV, which I didn't, i'd come here to find out what happened.

[bwillie26]

Because I could still spoil it for someone who didnt order the PPV.

Well then they would be looking for the results somewhere, so why not post them as they happen in this thread as they happen?

[cordscords]

Just playing it on the cautious side. The thread title itself says no spoilers, so I decided to give a heads up before my response. It's quite possible somebody could click on the thread thinking UFC 81 was next week. Instead of talking about how they are looking forward to the event they get the card spoiled for them.

[jayceheathman]

How exactly does talking about something that has already happened qualify as a spoiler?

If it has yet to happen then it would be an opinion and not a spoiler. You cant spoil it for somebody if it hasnt happened yet.

[soybean]

Just playing it on the cautious side. The thread title itself says no spoilers, so I decided to give a heads up before my response. It's quite possible somebody could click on the thread thinking UFC 81 was next week. Instead of talking about how they are looking forward to the event they get the card spoiled for them.

it says no spoiler because a couple of the matches were shown a day/night early when they were overseas.

people in europe got to see the fight first.

it kind of sucks because we (people here in America) see the fight before the people in Europe but we're allowed to talk about it freely. :D

[bwillie26]

If it has yet to happen then it would be an opinion and not a spoiler. You cant spoil it for somebody if it hasnt happened yet.

Captain Obvious saves the day!

[jayceheathman]

Captain Obvious saves the day!

You asked the question, I just answered it.

[Ravens1991]

that deduction on Lesnar was BS, he was in the middle of hammer fists to the face and if someone wants to give up their back you are gonna get hit in the head, he couldnt stop it. I think Lesnar is going to be a monster, send any MMA begining out against Mir and they will probably get submitted. I say he has the belt by 2009.

[UKfan]

that deduction on Lesnar was BS, he was in the middle of hammer fists to the face and if someone wants to give up their back you are gonna get hit in the head, he couldnt stop it. I think Lesnar is going to be a monster, send any MMA begining out against Mir and they will probably get submitted. I say he has the belt by 2009.

That's what I was trying to get across when I made my prediction, I haven't seen the fight yet (monday, it clashes with the SB tonight so recorded) but I figured it would be Mir via sub.

Anyway I went 7-2 with my predictions, so I'm pretty pleased.

[MaxV]

UKfan, both fights are already available on the Internet.

[Man_Of_Steel]

Man that was a great ppv, all fights were awesome.

[Cashmoney]

Brock Lesnar has some chicken legs..... He needs to learn more about submissive moves, even if its just how to defend against them.

[fenikz]

Sylvia vs Nog
http://www.mmatko.com/tim-sylvia-vs-antonio-rodrigo-nogueira-fight-video-ufc-81/

[SuperMcGee]

I caught the last three fights after hockey yesterday. Picked before each fight started, had Boetsch, Mir, and Sylvia.

Heath didn't do a whole lot, some decent boxing but was dominated in the clinch and then Boetsch got that big throw
Nothing too surprising about how the last two fights went. I picked Sylvia but I can't be upset that he lost.
That's pretty much exactly what I expected to see from Lesnar. The point deduction was definitely lame, have to agree with you guys there.

[UKfan]

UKfan, both fights are already available on the Internet.

I've seen them around, but I don't mind waiting to see them tomorrow, I was trying to avoid the results altogether but I read them by accident on CBS. Just better quality on tv :D Thanks anyway.

[MaxV]

BTW, that ankle lock that Mir applied on Lesnar is VERY painful.

I've recently started practicing Judo and I can tell you ankle locks are more painful then armbars.

[bwillie26]

BTW, that ankle lock that Mir applied on Lesnar is VERY painful.

I've recently started practicing Judo and I can tell you ankle locks are more painful then armbars.

Ankle locks are painful given the right leverage on the foot, which wasn't the case last night. It was applied, but certainly not one of those deep ankle locks you have to tap because your ankle is about 2 seconds from being snapped.

As I said, Lesnar just needed to take his off foot, put it on Mir's butt and push. His leg would have popped right out and the match would've continued, but probably with his ankle a bit sore.

[ccB]

that deduction on Lesnar was BS, he was in the middle of hammer fists to the face and if someone wants to give up their back you are gonna get hit in the head, he couldnt stop it. I think Lesnar is going to be a monster, send any MMA begining out against Mir and they will probably get submitted. I say he has the belt by 2009.

I disagree, I can clearly see why Mazzagatti stood them up and took the point away. Brock was throwing so furiously that he didn't care where he was landing or what he was hitting, by the time Mazzagatti could do anything Mir had taken more than 1 clean hard shots to the back of the head and Mir was cleary dazed. At that point what is Mazzagatti to do? Warn him? the fight will be over after he says stop hitting the back of the head. So Stevey boy made a judgment call and stepped in to save Mir from being KO-ed by hammer fists to the back of the head, which was completely fair. I think there'd be far more controversy had Brock ended the fight by TKO-ing Frank with punches to the back of the head than there was for him standing them up and taking away a point. I am not positive but there may be a rule insisting on taking a point away if you stand up a fighter for that reason.

[ccB]

Ankle locks are painful given the right leverage on the foot, which wasn't the case last night. It was applied, but certainly not one of those deep ankle locks you have to tap because your ankle is about 2 seconds from being snapped.

As I said, Lesnar just needed to take his off foot, put it on Mir's butt and push. His leg would have popped right out and the match would've continued, but probably with his ankle a bit sore.

Frank spent time training submissions with wooden dowels to simulate breaking Brocks bones via submission. This on top of his past track record for bone breaking (SEE: Tim Sylvia) I think Brock was smart to tap.

[Ravens1991]

CCBG, Mazzigatti did warn about head strikes in previous fights, if person turns there back in the middle of hammer fists the top man cant stop mid strike, he only got 1 shot on Mir head.

[Ravens1991]

http://www.mmafightline.com/news/2008/23/mirko_cro_cop_filipovic_315355.shtml

CC may leave the UFC

[MaxV]

I hope Cro Cop decides to stay.

I want to see him vs. Big Nog again, although I know he'll need to prove himself before he gets a title shot.

[619]

Montreal will be the host to the biggest UFC event to date in UFC 83: Serra vs St. Pierre II.

http://ca.news.yahoo.com/s/capress/080131/sports/mma_ufc_canada

[fenikz]

Just got done watching the full Lesnar vs Mir fight, all though i pretty much knew Lesnar was going to be subbed he still surprised me, if Lesnar keeps training hard and learns enough BJJ to defend it he will be the HW champion eventually

[UKfan]

Just got done watching the full Lesnar vs Mir fight, all though i pretty much knew Lesnar was going to be subbed he still surprised me, if Lesnar keeps training hard and learns enough BJJ to defend it he will be the HW champion eventually

I agree, he has crazy speed for a man his size, it really is impressive. However, he still has a tattoo on his chest that looks like a *****...

[Ravens1991]

yea I like Lesnar and how he compares it to wrestling but that tattoo is redicoulsly dumb.

[Ravens1991]

Who should be Lesnar opponent? I hope Kongo, it will be a easy victory against a semi-known man. I got GnP in 3 minutes 4 Lesnar

[fenikz]

I think he needs to actually face a low level opponent, because he has a following right now but if they keep putting him against the top HW's in MMA he is going to keep losing, he still has a lot to learn

[Ravens1991]

yea that is why Kongo is perfect for him, he will take him down in 10 seconds then GnP the day lights out of him, plus Kongo is kind of a known fight so it would be great for the UFC

[UKfan]

Chuck him in there with Eddie Sanchez, he's coming off of a win, but let's face it, he isn't great. Kongo is a decent shout, but he would kill Lesnar IF it stayed on the feet, Sanchez IMO is less risky.

[fenikz]

Kongo would beat Lesner fairly easily imo, Sanchez would be a good match up for Lesnar

[bwillie26]

Kongo would beat Lesner fairly easily imo, Sanchez would be a good match up for Lesnar

Since when has Kongo shown he has any hint of a ground game? Kongo has little clue what to do on the ground. Lesnar would take him down at will and likely pound him out.

Kongo is a very good standup fighter, but offers nothing else to his game.

I'd personally put Brock in there with Soa Palelei or possibly bring back Justin Eilers to get knocked out one more time. :)

Soa, even though he got stopped against Eddie Sanchez, looked like a promising heavyweight coming into his UFC debut. It'll give both Soa and Brock a chance to cement a bit of a spot for themselves in the UFC while picking up a win. Either way, someone will get some footing in the UFC while the other falls even farther down the rungs.

[Ravens1991]

yea Kongo will not know what hit him when Lesnar takes him down.

[Man_Of_Steel]

Anyone see the Dana White/GSP/MS press conference yesterday? That Bell Centre UFC is gonna be awesome.

[VoteLynnSwan]

Lesnar to me was extremely impressive... put him up against a guy who isn't a word class BJJ practitioner in his next fight so he can get a win.

[jayceheathman]

Lesnar made a cool $250,000 on Saturday, before taxes and other stuff. Not a bad nights work.

[Ravens1991]

Champ Anderson Silva vs. Dan Henderson (for middleweight title)
Heath Herring vs. Cheick Kongo
Yushin Okami vs. Evan Tanner
Jon Fitch vs. Chris Wilson
David Bielkheden vs. Diego Sanchez
PRELIMINARY CARD

Andrei Arlovski vs. Jake O’Brien
Luke Cummo vs. Luigi Fioravanti
Dustin Hazelett vs. Josh Koscheck
Jorge Gurgel vs. John Halverson
Chris Leben vs. Alessio Sakara

I cant believe AA and Kosheck are on the preliminary card and wont be aired:(

but anyway that is the card for UFC 82

[fenikz]

looks like a good card, hopefully there will be a few quick KO's or Subs so that they show the AA & Koscheck fights

[UKfan]

I'd rather see Leben v Sakara than Kos tbh, although I think Kos is a good MMA guy, his style is so dull...

[Ravens1991]

yes I agree both are way to talented to be on a preliminary card.

[Ravens1991]

so who should Wand next opponent be? I would like to see him VS. Jardine. Winner gets a rematch w/ Chuck then winner gets a title shot.

[Man_Of_Steel]

Kos on the prelim card that sucks I love that guy. He beats Diego and gets a fight on the same ppv only on the undercard? How does someone whos last two fights were against sanchez and gsp get this treatment.

[soybean]

heath herring over kongo. he was robbed against nog, even though im a big nog fan.

pretty underrated fighter in my opinion.

[Ravens1991]

Kos on the prelim card that sucks I love that guy. He beats Diego and gets a fight on the same ppv only on the undercard? How does someone whos last two fights were against sanchez and gsp get this treatment.

Him being boring as sin may have something to do with it.

[JF4]

heath herring over kongo. he was robbed against nog, even though im a big nog fan.

pretty underrated fighter in my opinion.

Other than the very near KO Big Nog schooled him in the stand up. He was landing combo after combo and I thought the right decision was made.

Not knocking on Herring because he might be underated but if he stands up with Kongo he has no shot.

[Ravens1991]

I just saw Shogun VS. Forrest and Shogun did better then how I thought he did from what I heard, he came in unconditioned and a horrible gameplan, he went for takedowns when his bread and butter is his striking. I expect him to look totally different against Chuck.

[ccB]

Since when has Kongo shown he has any hint of a ground game? Kongo has little clue what to do on the ground. Lesnar would take him down at will and likely pound him out.


Lets try this same statement only plugging in Kongo and striking instead of Brock and takedown:

Since when has Brock shown he has any hint of a stand up game? Brock has little clue what to do standing up. Kongo would stand up and likely knock him out.


Not that this is how I feel necessarily. Just showing that Kongo's strengths could expose Brock just as easily as Brocks strengths could expose Kongo. I'd give the fight to Kongo if the two went at it, far more experience and world class muay thai beats out 2 career fights and world class wrestling IMO. This would be a far more difficult fight for Brock then you all are making it out to be. Sure Kongo has had trouble with wrestlers before, but he at the very least has experience going against ground guys. Lesnar has no experience going against a world class striker. If you are looking for a stepping stone match for Brock, I do not think against Kongo is a wise choice. Kongo is a top 10 HW in the UFC right now and some (not myself) would say top 10 in the world.

[fenikz]

Join the MMA PPV Draft

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=890896#post890896

A basic MMA draft with a little twist

[ccB]

Join the MMA PPV Draft

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?p=890896#post890896

A basic MMA draft with a little twist

It cant be better then the super secret MMA sim that has been going on for a while. The one in which I will eventually be looking for MMA discussion posters to make fighters to pump new blood in our owners organizations. :)

[fenikz]

It cant be better then the super secret MMA sim that has been going on for a while. The one in which I will eventually be looking for MMA discussion posters to make fighters to pump new blood in our owners organizations. :)

PM me some detail, but still join the draft

[UKfan]

It cant be better then the super secret MMA sim that has been going on for a while. The one in which I will eventually be looking for MMA discussion posters to make fighters to pump new blood in our owners organizations. :)

Wow, that sounds pretty damn fun :D

[Wootylicous]

It cant be better then the super secret MMA sim that has been going on for a while. The one in which I will eventually be looking for MMA discussion posters to make fighters to pump new blood in our owners organizations. :)

I discovered this little secret the other day :P

[ccB]

I discovered this little secret the other day :P

You just found the mIRC room for it ya sneaky French basturd! Anyways if you guys want to check it out goto http://ccbg.proboards40.com (I think this is allowed since its not football related in anyway, if its not then someone tell me) We only have one PPV in the books so far, we have a TV show (UFN-ish) scheduled soon and our next PPV is going to be headlined by GSP vs Hughes (Comahan championship fighting) and Fedor vs Barnett/Sylvia/Kharitnov (Freedom Fight which is my org) Its pretty cool. We each have our own separate org's a long with the the undisputed belts where we will pit our fighters against each other in a pride style grand prix.

[bwillie26]

Anyone here ever played the sim game on http://theflyingknee.com ?

I've got two fighters in that game, both of which suck. Good way to kill time, which I have alot of. :)

[Wootylicous]

I just bought two tickets for UFC83 for 500$. :D

[619]

Nicee. GSP!!!!! :D

[fenikz]

Join the MMA PPV Draft

We only need one more person

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18131

[Ravens1991]

CC out of the UFC to a new MMA league called Dream.

[cordscords]

Kimbo v Abbot 2night.

I've got Kimbo finishing him early.

[wingboy2999]

Kimbo v Abbot 2night.

I've got Kimbo finishing him early.

Do you have any idea when this match may go on?

[wingboy2999]

You just found the mIRC room for it ya sneaky French basturd! Anyways if you guys want to check it out goto http://ccbg.proboards40.com (I think this is allowed since its not football related in anyway, if its not then someone tell me) We only have one PPV in the books so far, we have a TV show (UFN-ish) scheduled soon and our next PPV is going to be headlined by GSP vs Hughes (Comahan championship fighting) and Fedor vs Barnett/Sylvia/Kharitnov (Freedom Fight which is my org) Its pretty cool. We each have our own separate org's a long with the the undisputed belts where we will pit our fighters against each other in a pride style grand prix.

How do you run this?

[Ravens1991]

it will be on tonight on showtime. I got Kimbo w/ a victory but atleast we can finally see someone throw a punch at Kimbo.

[cordscords]

*SPOILER*
















Kimbo just demolished Tank in 43 seconds. Not really a surprise.

[soybean]

they say that if you fall forward, that means got ****ed up.

[fenikz]

I'm looking for a couple people to judge our MMA PPV Draft, would anyone be intrested?

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18131

[Ravens1991]

wow now lets see Kimbo fight a MMA fighter that isnt washed up.

[cordscords]

wow now lets see Kimbo fight a MMA fighter that isnt washed up.

I fully expect to see Kimbo v Thompson in the summer. Thompson has lost 6 of his last 8 fights (including his loss to Rogers last night), but because he's young and has a winning record the public will buy into the fact he's a legit fighter.

[ccB]

How do you run this?

With the glorious WMMA simulator.

[Ravens1991]

I fully expect to see Kimbo v Thompson in the summer. Thompson has lost 6 of his last 8 fights (including his loss to Rogers last night), but because he's young and has a winning record the public will buy into the fact he's a legit fighter.

yea it will probably be like the Aleksander Emelianko VS. Thompson fight where he bull rushes and gets KOed then everyone acts like Kimbo is a god. I wont buy into this hype until he faces a top 50 HW. They should just send him up against Rogers.

[cordscords]

yea it will probably be like the Aleksander Emelianko VS. Thompson fight where he bull rushes and gets KOed then everyone acts like Kimbo is a god. I wont buy into this hype until he faces a top 50 HW. They should just send him up against Rogers.

Rogers isnt polished quite yet, but I do think he's on the way. That would be a good fight.

I thought Ricco should have beaten Silva 29-28. If he dropped 20 pounds I think he can be a real force again. Silva is also probably the top dog at EliteXC right now. I doubt Kimbo's camp would agree to a fight against these guys quite yet, but they have the makings of good fights in the future.

Other potential HW: Wesley Correira, Jefferson Silva. Probably these 2 guys or Thompson to increase the Kimbo hype before he gets his first real test.

[fenikz]

I'm looking for a couple people to judge our MMA PPV Draft, would anyone be intrested?

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=18131

bump bump bump

[Ravens1991]

http://www.graciemag.com/news/144/ARTICLE/9565/2008-02-18.html

Silva may cut to 185, if he does I think it will show he did take roids in Pride, but everyone already knew that.

If that happens an nice match up would be Wand VS. Franklin (get Wand on the winning track) then Wand VS. The Spider Silva and Wand VS. Dan Henderson.

[cordscords]

Couture signed with HDNet Fights.

http://mmajunkie.com/2008/02/20/report-randy-couture-signed-contract-with-hdnet-fights/

[soybean]

Couture signed with HDNet Fights.

http://mmajunkie.com/2008/02/20/report-randy-couture-signed-contract-with-hdnet-fights/

who do they have in there?

nm, didn't read the article. if they dont get fedor thuogh, then what is he going to have to do?

[JF4]

who do they have in there?

HDFight doesn't really have alot of great fighters but they have agreements with other organizations which allows them to co-promote and have their fighters take on fighters from other organizations.

One of those companies is M-1 so if this whole thing works out Couture should fight Fedor.

EDIT; M-1 isn't one of those companies they co-promote with but Fedor's deal is non-exclusive with M-1 so i'd imagine it wouldn't be that tough for him to fight in a seperate organization for a single fight.

[soybean]

i see.

i also see fedor ducking the fight.

[cordscords]

i see.

i also see fedor ducking the fight.

Fedor just said last week he wants Randy or a 3rd fight with Nog.

[Ravens1991]

I dont want to see Fedor wreck Nogs life again, I want to see him fight Couture.

[bwillie26]

i see.

i also see fedor ducking the fight.

Fedor has said he has wanted this fight for months, so why would he duck it?

That isn't even mentioning the fact he would own Randy in any fight.

[fenikz]

I think Randy might of stood a chance in a cage, but it looks like this fight will take place in a ring which favors Fedor heavily

[MaxV]

i see.

i also see fedor ducking the fight.

When, in his history, has Fedor ever ducked a fight?

The guy fears no man.

[Ravens1991]

Yea Wand even said "No one wants to fight Fedor" and the only guy to publically say he wants Fedor is Mark Coleman.

[fenikz]

btw a weird fact Fedor has a pet turtle named Zulu, isn't that sweet

[bwillie26]

Seems Lesnar is in talks with Justin McCully for his next fight.

Great fight for Lesnar to get his feet wet. McCully trains with Team Punishment, which is Tito's MMA team. McCully is a ground fighter, so this should play right into Brock's hands if the fight happens.

A guy like McCully probably should have been his first fight, but Lesnar did not want to fight some random can.

[soybean]

let's be real. I know fedor is a badass, and even randy would know going into the fight that he'd be the underdogg, but if fedor really wanted randy that bad he would've signed with ufc long ago.

[fenikz]

There is a lot more than simply signing a contract with the UFC because you want to fight a guy, we all know the UFC doesn't pay there fighters well compared to other organizations, plus there are plenty of people that don't like the way Dana White does things.

[bwillie26]

let's be real. I know fedor is a badass, and even randy would know going into the fight that he'd be the underdogg, but if fedor really wanted randy that bad he would've signed with ufc long ago.

Obviously you haven't read about the UFC demands.

They would not let Fedor compete in Sambo tournaments. Fedor is one of the best Sambo fighters in the world and Sambo is his first love.

Fedor also had no right to give interviews, do TV appearances or anything to gain exposure in America without the UFC's consent. The contract could also be thrown away if Fedor lost just one fight.

It also asked that he fight EIGHT times in a two year period. If he was undefeated after that time, the contract extended, but his pay would not increase a single dime.

So let me ask you, would you accept that contract just to fight one fighter?

Say for instance you walked in a car lot with your heart set on buying a Rover, but the contract you were about to sign was going to bend you over without the lube, would you sign it just for the fact you wanted a Range Rover?

M1 has been trying to co-promote a Randy vs Fedor fight since Fedor signed, but Dana White does not want to give any exposure to any competing organization.

So I really don't see where you are coming from.

[soybean]

im sure they could've negotiated/re-negotiated the contract if both parties really wanted each other. It's not like one contract is final, UFC wouldve done whatever it takes to get him.

I just don't think it was ever that big a desire of fedor's to fight randy.

[MaxV]

im sure they could've negotiated/re-negotiated the contract if both parties really wanted each other. It's not like one contract is final, UFC wouldve done whatever it takes to get him.

I just don't think it was ever that big a desire of fedor's to fight randy.

No, Dana White never really had a big desire to sign Fedor, because he's not a very marketable guy in US.

Plus all those stipulations that bwillie26 mentioned prevented the deal from getting done.

Couture had NOTHING to do with Fedor's decision to sign with another organization.

Fedor is not afraid of Couture. Why would he be? He has more skills then Couture.

[cordscords]

Anybody know where I can get a stream of the Strikeforce card tonight? I dont get HDNet.

[bwillie26]

cord, try Sopcast.org, I think it was the address is. You might have to download their software, but someone almost always has a stream up of any channel out there.

[soybean]

maybe fedor didn't want to fight in the octagon.

[MaxV]

maybe fedor didn't want to fight in the octagon.

Dude, all you are doing right now is reaching for straws.

[cordscords]

cord, try Sopcast.org, I think it was the address is. You might have to download their software, but someone almost always has a stream up of any channel out there.

sopcast site is down completely

[bwillie26]

Ah, well there are other places like Sopcast. Just use Google.

I'm still living in the stone age of dial-up, so none of those sites do me any good nor do I ever check them. :)

[ccB]

http://www.cagepotato.com/2008/02/25/things-that-are-the-same-vol-1/

LMAO

[comahan]

MMAjunkie.com has a report that CBS and Elite XC have reached an agreement for live prime time shows. The story said the shows would take place every other month. That is the deal UFC had been working on for months and may represent the most important MMA news since UFC got on Spike TV three years ago. While not in the story, the show is expected to be on Saturday nights.

[ccB]

MMAjunkie.com has a report that CBS and Elite XC have reached an agreement for live prime time shows. The story said the shows would take place every other month. That is the deal UFC had been working on for months and may represent the most important MMA news since UFC got on Spike TV three years ago. While not in the story, the show is expected to be on Saturday nights.

Saturdays 9-11 pm. Just wish Elite XC had a deeper roster.

[Ravens1991]

I love it!!!!

[bwillie26]

The rumored main event for their first show is Kimbo vs Ken Shamrock.

Even an old Ken Shamrock would pose an interesting matchup for Kimbo. You'd finally see someone who would not want to stand and trade, but test his submission defense skills IF he can get it to the ground.

Seeing the Ken we all have lately, he'd likely be knocked stupid within the first 30 seconds from Kimbo's power. Afterwards, he'd thank Kimbo for not hurting him anymore so he could enjoy his fat payday.

[ccB]

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2008/02/29/is-the-ufc-talking-to-the-nfls-ray-lewis/

O.O

[Ravens1991]

If Ray fights I will do my best to fly out just to see that.

[soybean]

The rumored main event for their first show is Kimbo vs Ken Shamrock.

Even an old Ken Shamrock would pose an interesting matchup for Kimbo. You'd finally see someone who would not want to stand and trade, but test his submission defense skills IF he can get it to the ground.

Seeing the Ken we all have lately, he'd likely be knocked stupid within the first 30 seconds from Kimbo's power. Afterwards, he'd thank Kimbo for not hurting him anymore so he could enjoy his fat payday.

the aren't the same weight class.

[UKfan]

Ken's fought as a HW before, I think.

[fenikz]

Anyone know of a place where I can watch the fight online, I don't want to miss these but i need to save up money for spring break and 45 bucks is quite a few drinks

[kwilk103]

http://myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=7222&part=sports

[bwillie26]

the aren't the same weight class.

Ken has fought HW before.

[bwillie26]

BIG ANNOUNCEMENT ...

After Mark Coleman was inducted into the UFC Hall of Fame tonight, he announced that he was NOT retired and he was stepping back into the octagon. His first fight will be in 5 months against none other than ..






Brock Lesnar

Incredible matchup for the HW division.

[kwilk103]

dang, silva submitted henderson in the 2nd

[bwillie26]

Silva is a beast of epic proportions. Hendo took the 1st, but Silva absolutely picked him apart in the 2nd. I've NEVER seen Hendo look as bad as he did in that round. Silva stunned him pretty bad and to Hendo's credit, somehow regained his composure after he got caught with that knee. But that RNC was in DEEP. He only had about 15 seconds to hold on, but he would've been taking a nap by the time that bell rang.

For all the 85'ers of the world, go fight at 205 or 170, because you aren't taking Silva's belt anytime soon.

[kwilk103]

what happened to the ref big john mcarthy?

[bwillie26]

Retired.

He does broadcasting now on The Fight Network.

[JF4]

It would be really interesting to see how Silva fought I 205, I think he would have a chance of beating Rampage.

[fenikz]

It would be really interesting to see how Silva fought I 205, I think he would have a chance of beating Rampage.

Honestly I can't see anyone beating Silva right now, he may be the best fighter ever. His style is somewhat unorthodox but it seems to work against everything, no one wants to stand and throw punches with him and if you try to take him to the ground eventually your gonna get choked out. After a long night of drinking I still can't think of anyone who matches up well with him, Henderson was my best guess.

btw I probably sound like a Silva nut hugger as Sherdog people would call it, but can anyone thing of someone who could challenge Silva besides GSP?

[Ravens1991]

Anderson Silva is on another level compared to anybody, I want to see him face GSP.

[MaxV]

I want to see Silva face Shogun.

[kwilk103]

this is a kid i went to hs with doing mma (he won)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=8rOifwOWeHc&feature=related

[Wootylicous]

Silva is a beast.

[JF4]

Honestly I can't see anyone beating Silva right now, he may be the best fighter ever. His style is somewhat unorthodox but it seems to work against everything, no one wants to stand and throw punches with him and if you try to take him to the ground eventually your gonna get choked out. After a long night of drinking I still can't think of anyone who matches up well with him, Henderson was my best guess.

btw I probably sound like a Silva nut hugger as Sherdog people would call it, but can anyone thing of someone who could challenge Silva besides GSP?

I think Silva is too big and strong for GSP and i'm GSP's number one fan. The weight difference is just too much.

Right now u'd have to think it would be a wrestler at 205 who would compete because Silva's standup is completely next level and while Henderson didn't do alot of damage to Silva while he had him on the ground, he managed to control his posture and win the round.

Here's who could take him: Randy Couture at 205

[soybean]

i still think BJ Penn is the pound-for-pound best fighter.

no way he'd fight silva though, i dont see him gaining that much weight or silva losing that much weight to take the fight.

[fenikz]

Seriously?...Penn over Silva?

Penn isn't that great, I don't know why everything thinks he is a MMA god. He is 3-3 over his last 6 fights with the wins being Renzo Gracie, Jens Pulver & Joe Stevenson, not the highest level of competition.

While Silva has destroyed the last 7 guys he has fought, basically all of them being top competition. his only losses in the last 3 years coming via DQ and a freak Flying Scissor/Heel Hook

[KCJ58]

I can't wait till UFC84

Wanderlei "The Axe Murderer" Silva Vs. Keith "The Dean of Mean" Jardine

Tito "Huntington Beach Bad Boy" Ortiz Vs. Lyoto Machida

BJ "The Prodigy" Penn Vs. Sean "Muscle Shark" Sherk

[soybean]

Seriously?...Penn over Silva?

Penn isn't that great, I don't know why everything thinks he is a MMA god. He is 3-3 over his last 6 fights with the wins being Renzo Gracie, Jens Pulver & Joe Stevenson, not the highest level of competition.

While Silva has destroyed the last 7 guys he has fought, basically all of them being top competition. his only losses in the last 3 years coming via DQ and a freak Flying Scissor/Heel Hook

yeah... i don't know everytime i watch penn, i love his style because he's very aggressive and his balance is amazing.

silva is great but i think he's more susceptible to being caught then BJ, he almost lost against... Travis Lutter was it?

but his muay thai is great and he's got long limbs so that would throw most fighters off.

[ccB]

Seriously?...Penn over Silva?

Penn isn't that great, I don't know why everything thinks he is a MMA god. He is 3-3 over his last 6 fights with the wins being Renzo Gracie, Jens Pulver & Joe Stevenson, not the highest level of competition.

While Silva has destroyed the last 7 guys he has fought, basically all of them being top competition. his only losses in the last 3 years coming via DQ and a freak Flying Scissor/Heel Hook

People think Penn is the number 1 because he has the most skill out of any fighter in MMA. He has arguably the best BJJ in the game, paired with freakish balance and takedown defense and underrated striking. When you say 3-3 yeah it doesnt sound great but break down the fights, instead of just looking at what his record is on Sherdog. I mean hell if all you do is look at the records, I believe Couture is on 16-8 and many believe hes the greatest fighter ever. One loss is to Lyoto Machida who is a freakin LHW, Penn is a natural 155 and fought Machida who is owning everyone left and right at LHW and he made it to a decision. Cant really blame him for losing that fight, give me a 155 fighter who will last more than 2 rounds with Machida. Matt Hughes was being owned until Penn suffered from a rib injury and if you ask most die hard MMA fans (myself included) Penn beat GSP on the score cards of that fight. So a natural 155 moving up to 170 and losing to the top 2 guys in the division, both in controversial manner. The guy is the only fighter in the world who could fight between 155-205 and still stand a chance to win at any weight class. So without an injury and say the GSP split decision went in his favor, he could be 14-2-1 with 2 wins over Hughes a win over GSP, Gomi, Pulver, Stevenson, Din Thomas, Caol Uno, Gracie, Ludwig and Matt Serra and everyone would be drinking his Kool aid as top p4p fighter in the world. I personally do not have Penn as number one, but I think he does have the number 1 skillset in MMA and after he gets the momentum moving he is going to be unstoppable at 155, than he will move up to fight for that WW belt and if he takes it home everyones going to have him as the top fighter in the world.


Another thing, wouldn't you place a guy who can fight at multiple weights higher on a P4P list than a guy who is only a force at one weight?

[ccB]

Honestly I can't see anyone beating Silva right now, he may be the best fighter ever. His style is somewhat unorthodox but it seems to work against everything, no one wants to stand and throw punches with him and if you try to take him to the ground eventually your gonna get choked out. After a long night of drinking I still can't think of anyone who matches up well with him, Henderson was my best guess.

btw I probably sound like a Silva nut hugger as Sherdog people would call it, but can anyone thing of someone who could challenge Silva besides GSP?

Matt Lindland, has the same skillset as Dan Henderson but he is smarter when it comes to keeping himself out of danger.

[ccB]

i still think BJ Penn is the pound-for-pound best fighter.

no way he'd fight silva though, i dont see him gaining that much weight or silva losing that much weight to take the fight.

Penns faught at 185 before I believe, and I think you are right with your assessment, if they met up Penn would stand a chance to beat Silva, his cardio would be his only set back. I do not know how many round he could last at 185 but BJ's BJJ is leagues better than Andersons and I do not Anderson KO-ing BJ, he has one of the best chins in MMA. Youd have to take Anderson in that fight but you cant right off BJ Penn either.

[bwillie26]

Seriously?...Penn over Silva?

Penn isn't that great, I don't know why everything thinks he is a MMA god. He is 3-3 over his last 6 fights with the wins being Renzo Gracie, Jens Pulver & Joe Stevenson, not the highest level of competition.

While Silva has destroyed the last 7 guys he has fought, basically all of them being top competition. his only losses in the last 3 years coming via DQ and a freak Flying Scissor/Heel Hook

Did you REALLY just say Penn was not that great? Wow.

[Ravens1991]

Matt Lindland, has the same skillset as Dan Henderson but he is smarter when it comes to keeping himself out of danger.

But he doesnt have Dan KO power.


About best P4P I admit that BJ Penn is probably the most naturally talented fighter in MMA(GSP a close second) but it has to go to Anderson, he is unstoppable now, let Penn get on a streak then I may consider it.

[Ravens1991]

Shogun out of Chuck fight due to knee injury.

http://mmajunkie.com/?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

[UKfan]

Damn it, Chuck vs Shogun was supposed to happen in London, that sucks!

[cordscords]

:(

Brandon Vera might move down.

[bwillie26]

:(

Brandon Vera might move down.

That has been rumored for a LONG time. He needs to, anyways. You can look at his body type and realize he just should not carry that extra weight to be a top flight fighter as he does not carry it well. At 205, he could legitimately be a contender for the belt in no time.

[cordscords]

Rashad Evans will be stepping in for Shogun.

Evans is gonna get his first loss here.

[Rob S]

Penn-haters, read this. Not mine, but an awesome post at sherdog..

I see a lot of newer fans (I'm not going to say TUF fans) who say that BJ is over-rated. I can even understand a little, because if i'd only been a fan for 2-3 years I may think the same thing.

So I am going to try not being condescending, and am actually going to try explaining to you why he is so highly regarded. I became a die-hard MMA fan about a year before his debut so I think I am in a good position for this.

Firstly, his BJJ game and credentials are as good as anybody in the game. This is why he is called the prodigy, the first US fighter to win the gold in Brazil.

So following his short and sensational career as a BJJ fighter he turned to MMA, and fans were already talking about him - before he had even fought. He was so highly regarded that his debut was in the UFC!

His opponent was Joey Gilbert, a gimme. BJ as expected dominated Gilbert.

Around this time Jens Pulver had just won the LW title, and the UFC was trying to get a superfight for him. So they brought in Din Thomas.

Din Thomas had fought all over the world, he was a known top class fighter and had stopped Jens Pulver previously. Not only that but he gave Caol Uno a hell of a fight in his only loss.

Din's UFC debut was against Penn. The vast majority of people thought that this was a gimme for Din before his big rematch with Jens, and in truth that was probably Zuffa's plans.

BJ Penn at only 22, and in only his second MMA fight KO'd Thomas in a couple of minutes. Trust my guys this was sensational at the time - Think Gonzaga-Cro Cop (only to a lesser extent because Thomas didn't have so many nut-huggers)

The next fight for BJ was probably to punish him for ruining the UFC's plans

It is hard to remember/believe, but at the time Uno was recognised as a top 3 fighter, and a guy who on his day could beat anybody in the world.

BJ Penn's destruction of Uno was probably the biggest 'coming-out party' in MMA history. He KO'd him in 11 seconds!

As an example could you imagine a 22 year old guy with only 2 fights destroying Gomi in 11 seconds?

That is what it was like.

I liken it to Sokoudjo this year, or Shogun in 2005. A metoric rise to fame like no other.

Uno had beaten Iha, Thomas, Sato twice and he had been overwhelmed in seconds by an in-experienced kid who was supposedly a grappler.

I remember the net at this time, and BJ Penn was probably the most talked about guy in the sport.

His next fight was with Pulver, a close decision loss. However he proved he was more than a match for the champion by having a picture-perfect armbar applied as the round ended.

Even though he lost he proved that he was no flash in the pan.

His next 3 fights were underwhelming, facing Creighton, Serra and Uno in lackluster affairs. The rematch with Uno was so controversial, and I still can not fathom how he didn't win the title in that fight. This gave fans sympathy for Penn.

At this time Penn was pissed, and vowed to prove that he was the number one guy in the world.

So he went out and on his own money put together a fight with unbeaten Takanori Gomi. You know how these days everybody makes threads "Who'd win Sherk or Kid Yamamoto?" etc

This was the same thing. A dream fight for fans between two guys in different organisations.

Unfortunately Gomi lost a decision to Hansen just over a month before the superfight, which made the fight anti-climatic.

It was still highly anticipated though, and Penn dominated Gomi. In a way which Gomi has never been dominated before or since. This is another easy thing to overlook, but directly after the Penn fight, Gomi signed for Pride and dominated for a couple of years. Just a testament to how good BJ truly is.

Following that Penn returned to the UFC and announced that he was going up in weight to fight Hughes.

Matt Hughes at that time was honestly viewed as Fedor is now. He was the top P4P guy in the world and was seen unbeatable.

Fans worldwide thought this was a huge mistake and there were threads on sherdog with titles such as 'RIP BJ' etc

What happened is the equivalent of Chuck Liddell moving to HW and dominating Fedor. It was unfathomable.

Writing this it is really hitting home how easy it is to forget the situations etc, how easy it is to downplay a win a few years later.

BJ lost a lot of fans with his next move - myself included. UFC warned him that as champion he could not fight in other organisations - he ignored them and went to K1.

Bang Ludwig was a rising superstar at the time, he was riding high with wins in his last two fights over Pulver and Sudo. Ludwig-Penn was the fight fans wanted to see, and they got it.

Like man vs boy, Bang was dominated and BJ Penn cemented his status as the P4P king.

In another of those easy to forget things, Rodrido Gracie was viewed as the next great Gracie. He was undefeated and coming off a huge win over Mach Sakurai.

When Penn announced he was moving up to MW to fight him people honest to god thought he was crazy.

He did though, and dominated the next great Gracie.

His next move was to crazy even for him. I remember when it was announced he moving to HW to fight undefeated sensation Machida there were people saying they were going to stop being fans of his because he was too ir-rational.

Fears were confirmed, and Penn lost. However it was a razor-thin decision that could easily have gone his way.

Think about it. Machida has dominated everybody he has fought, including brutal stoppages of Bonnar and Franklin, he is currently considered the biggest prospect in the LHW division. Yet he barely beat a guy fighting at least 50 pounds over his ideal weight. You guys still wanna say that BJ is over-rated?

I will not go into his next 3 fights because I assume that you guys know what happened.

Personally I groan everytime I read that Penn is over-rated. I he an MMA superstar, and one of the elite fighters of all time.

He has beaten 7 fighters who at the time were considered elite, Not only has he beaten them, he has dominated all but one (Serra)

Thomas
Uno
Serra
Ludwig
Gomi
Gracie
Hughes

So please next time you wanna type that Penn is over-rated, remember this post.

There is never an easier time to tell when a fan is uneducated, and when he explains that he doesn't know why Penn is so respected.

[UKfan]

I can't understand the lack of respect for Penn's skills, you may not like him as a person (I don't), but his BJJ and stand up skills are immense. He has flexibility like no other, it's insane.

[cordscords]

Fedor is splitting from M-1 next week and is set to become a FA yet again.

Don't screw up again Dana. Make Fedor-Couture happen, in an octagon, by the end of Coutures contract.

[MaxV]

Recent article about Fedor's status.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=11698

I especially like this quote by Dana White:

People think he's the best -- I don't, not even close. But if it's somehow possible, I would make it happen.

It's ok not to think that Fedor is the best, but to say "not even close" is just flat-out STUPID.

Someone needs to remind Dana that his current HW champ, Noguera, got his ass kicked by Fedor on multiple occasions.

[Ravens1991]

Can Dana White just leave MMA all together, he does nothing positive for MMA or the UFC.

[bwillie26]

I guess Kimbo vs Shamrock will never happen now. Ken was TKO'd by a fighter named Robert 'Buzz' Berry tonight. I watched the fight on Showtime and I must say, Ken needs to retire yesterday. The shot he got hit with wasn't clean and more of a glancing blow at that. But he crumbled like the Shamrock we have seen lately.

What I don't understand is Ken was known for his submissions from all angles when he was at the top of his game, but now he wants to stand and trade with people. He even said this Buzz Berry guy was a stand-up fighter with KO power, but he stands with him anyways?

Ken needs to do himself a favor and retire. Him staying around is the equivalent to Tyson right now. He's just ruining his legacy.

[Ravens1991]

they will probably give Kimbo him so he can KO a known fighter.

[UKfan]

Can Dana White just leave MMA all together, he does nothing positive for MMA or the UFC.

You serious? I know that he is a bit of a dick, but he's been huge for the sport and in the time he and Zuffa have been involved, the UFC has grown immeasurably.

[fenikz]

So please next time you wanna type that Penn is over-rated, remember this post.

There is never an easier time to tell when a fan is uneducated, and when he explains that he doesn't know why Penn is so respected.


BJ Penn is still over-rated IMO, he isn't even a top 5 p4p guy for me, I don't care if you have the skills to win, you have to use them and actually win against talented opponents for anything to matter. It seems like he has turned the corner on his training and is actually showing up to fights prepared so he could be a top 5 p4p guy soon with a couple good wins(Sherk & a few other contenders) but right now I'm still not buying it.

And btw I actually don't mind him as a person I thought his "If you want my opinions go to BJPenn.com" thing was funny as hell

[ccB]

You serious? I know that he is a bit of a dick, but he's been huge for the sport and in the time he and Zuffa have been involved, the UFC has grown immeasurably.

Yeah I am in agreement. Dana White has arguably done more for the sport than anyone. People just buy into his "tough guy whose **** doesn't stink" bit. Dana White is from the Vince McMahon school of knowing how to work and how to sell fights. Sure I could see how someone could dislike him if they take everything he says as gospel, but you'd be foolish to do that. He is a character for sure but its all schtick. I for one <3 DW.


Also word up to Schubie Doobie for dropping some BJ Penn knowledge. After Sherk, Penns going after the 170 belt right away so within the next year you could see BJ Penn with 2 belts and everyone dangling from his coconuts.

[soybean]

Yeah I am in agreement. Dana White has arguably done more for the sport than anyone. People just buy into his "tough guy whose **** doesn't stink" bit. Dana White is from the Vince McMahon school of knowing how to work and how to sell fights. Sure I could see how someone could dislike him if they take everything he says as gospel, but you'd be foolish to do that. He is a character for sure but its all schtick. I for one <3 DW.


i believe tito is up there as well.

[619]

i believe tito is up there as well.

Royce Gracie and more recently Chuck Liddell.

[JF4]

http://mmajunkie.com/news/3928/nbc-and-strikeforce-to-announce-partnership-mmajunkie-com-exclusive.mma

Looks like NBC is following in CBS' footsteps and having a weekly MMA show on their network. The deal is with Strikeforce.

Honestly, I really don't like all these exclusive TV deals with smaller organizations. Here's why:

1) The fighters just aren't top notch

2) MMA is now being overexposed.

3) MMA is becoming like boxing with so many organizations that the casual fan doesn't know which is which.

4) Once these shows get rolling, the organzitions are going to be making more and more money and will start picking away at the better fighters in the UFC. That will spread out all the talent, and it won't allow for some of the best fights between the best fighters.

[fenikz]

This is all fine with me, just means i get to watch more free MMA

[Ravens1991]

http://mmafightline.com/news/2008/313/fedor_emelianenko_318666.shtml

Fedor possible 1 fight deal w/ the UFC!

[Rob S]

Fedor vs Randy would be amazing! It really does need to happen. Either that of Fedor vs Barnett.

[cordscords]

Source: M1mixfight.com

Interviewer: Do you care where you fight Fedor?
Randy: Well I care at this point that it's NOT in the UFC.

What an ass.

[MaxV]

Source: M1mixfight.com



What an ass.

Why is he an ass? Because he refuses to be Dana White's *****?

More power to him.

[cordscords]

Why is he an ass? Because he refuses to be Dana White's *****?

More power to him.

Dana gave him a title shot when he didnt deserve it. He gave him a fat 4 fight contract when he didnt deserve it. Randy goes and punks out of the deal he signed saying he only wants to fight Fedor. Now the UFC starts talking to Fedor to see if they can get Randy to come back and try to finish out his contract, and Randy says no.

Total ass.

[bwillie26]

Dana gave him a title shot when he didnt deserve it. He gave him a fat 4 fight contract when he didnt deserve it. Randy goes and punks out of the deal he signed saying he only wants to fight Fedor. Now the UFC starts talking to Fedor to see if they can get Randy to come back and try to finish out his contract, and Randy says no.

Total ass.

I agree to an extent.

Randy needs to just take the fight he says he wants. Live out the contract and be done with it. He would be out of his contract much sooner if he did this, rather than waste time with all this pending litigation. Time is something that is not on his side in terms of how much fighting years he has left in him.

Randy needs to fight in a cage under UFC rules if he wants a shot to beat Fedor anyways.

[soybean]

Dana gave him a title shot when he didnt deserve it. He gave him a fat 4 fight contract when he didnt deserve it. Randy goes and punks out of the deal he signed saying he only wants to fight Fedor. Now the UFC starts talking to Fedor to see if they can get Randy to come back and try to finish out his contract, and Randy says no.

Total ass.

it's not only about the fight though. every fighter will tell you how they are severly underpaid. isn't that the main reason he left the UFC?

tito ortiz, hermes franca, randy, etc. have all come out publicly to denounce the UFC for underpaying them.

the sport is growing it should be able to afford to pay their fighters more.

think about the lesser known fighters who only get 1 fight a year.

[soybean]

ps. read hermes franca's apology for after he tested positive for steroids and you'll understand where the fighters and i am coming from.

EDIT:

"In the next few days, the results from the California Commission will be released. The tests will show that I had a 'banned substance' in my system.

I would like to apologize to my fans, the UFC, my students and family. I offer only an explanation and not an excuse. I made a decision during a difficult time in my training for the fight that I regret.

About 8 weeks out from the fight, I badly injured my ankle during a training session. For the following week I had rested it, rehabbed it and tried to work around the injury. It was obvious that I could not train as required.

I contacted the UFC and explained my injury and how I could not possibly train to the level I thought I would need in order to be properly prepared for my fight. I asked the UFC if we could push the fight out to the following UFC with the chance that it could happen. They explained that they could not do that and that the card had been set and it isn't as easy as just moving around a fight. I totally understood their position. They asked me to keep them informed should I not be able to fight.

I had not fought for 5 months. Fighting is literally how I put food on my wife and child's table and how I pay my bills. As a fighter though, even at this level, I live a simple life and I literally live from fight to fight. Not getting a paycheck for another few months and losing my chance to fight Sean for the title was overpowering. Fighting is the life I chose and I love it.

As a lightweight fighter, our purses are comparatively small. The public sees the payouts. As lightweights, we do not pull down the money anything near the bigger guys. Its just the way it is. I think Sean fought and defended his title for less than $30,000. Its no one's fault, it's just the market. I love the sport, I love the people in the sport.

At this point, I was desperate and needed anything I could to get my injury as close to healing as possible and be able to recover from the daily training regimen I was going through. I made the shortsighted choice to hopefully accelerate the healing process and allow me to keep training. Under the pressure of literally not being able to pay next month's bills I made a choice. I had to fight and did whatever I could to do so.

I hope my fans, students, the UFC and the public accept my sincere apology. Whatever punishment is dictated by the California Athletic Commission, I will understand. I would like to get through this very difficult time and the times ahead and get back to fighting. All the best to my fans and much thanks to my family and friends that continue to support me during these times."

– Hermes Franca


**Franca tested positive to Drostanolone. He has been fined $2500 and suspended through his licensing year which is July 5, 2008.

[Ravens1991]

my top 5 P4P, please feel free to criticize it.


1.Anderson Silva-Just a monster, he could end up being the best fight of all time!
2.GSP-A total rape of Matt Hughes, if he fights like that for a couple more fights he may move to #1
3.Fedor Emelianenko-Could be #1, a lay off of not fighting top opponents makes him drop.
4.BJ Penn-Amazing natural talent, and the top155 pounder in the land, can also hang with the best at 170.
5.Rampage-KOing Chuck Liddell and winning a decision against Dan Henderson puts him there.



HM: Dan Henderson,Randy Couture.

[bwillie26]

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=5926&zoneid=2

First EliteXC event on CBS is set for May 31st.

On the card so far ..

Kimbo vs. TBD
Robbie Lawler vs Scott Smith (Middleweight title fight)

[bwillie26]

my top 5 P4P, please feel free to criticize it.


1.Anderson Silva-Just a monster, he could end up being the best fight of all time!
2.GSP-A total rape of Matt Hughes, if he fights like that for a couple more fights he may move to #1
3.Fedor Emelianenko-Could be #1, a lay off of not fighting top opponents makes him drop.
4.BJ Penn-Amazing natural talent, and the top155 pounder in the land, can also hang with the best at 170.
5.Rampage-KOing Chuck Liddell and winning a decision against Dan Henderson puts him there.



HM: Dan Henderson,Randy Couture.

I love Penn (he's my favorite fighter actually), but no way is he the top 55'er in the world. Gomi has a who's who list of wins across the board. Yes, Penn has a win over from 4 1/2 years ago, but BJ has not fought anywhere near the type of competitors Gomi has over the years in the division.

Also, any P4P list has to include Kid Yamamoto.

[Ravens1991]

Kimbo will probably wreck some can and have people think that he is good.


MMA is becoming more like boxing, with EliteXC having a cable TV deal it will probably have more viewers, now when they see the winner of Robbie VS. Scott a uneducated person will think they will think he is #1 in the world, but we all know Anderson will tourture them and make them look like computer geek chumps who have never fought in their lives.

[Ravens1991]

I love Penn (he's my favorite fighter actually), but no way is he the top 55'er in the world. Gomi has a who's who list of wins across the board. Yes, Penn has a win over from 4 1/2 years ago, but BJ has not fought anywhere near the type of competitors Gomi has over the years in the division.

Also, any P4P list has to include Kid Yamamoto.

I think Penn will take any 155 in the world and many 170ers, heck you can argue he beat GSP so I put him there. You can replace Yamamoto w/ Rampage.

[fenikz]

I have expressed my opinions on Penn before don't think i need to clarify them, replace him with Kid and you have my top 5 P4P

Big Nog is making a push for #1 HW right now and it looks like he will continue to keep fighting top tier HWs while Fedor sits and waits for Couture

[MaxV]

I have expressed my opinions on Penn before don't think i need to clarify them, replace him with Kid and you have my top 5 P4P

Big Nog is making a push for #1 HW right now and it looks like he will continue to keep fighting top tier HWs while Fedor sits and waits for Couture

To be the best, you've gotta beat the best and Big Nog is 2 for 2 at getting his ass kicked by Fedor.

[bwillie26]

I think Penn will take any 155 in the world and many 170ers, heck you can argue he beat GSP so I put him there. You can replace Yamamoto w/ Rampage.

Gomi has wins over the likes of Sakurai, Azeredo (who has a victory over Anderson Silva), Ludwig, Pulver, Ishida, Kawajiri, Mishima, Aurelio, etc.,

I love Penn, but he just doesn't have the credentials that Gomi has built up in the division to be rated ahead of him.

Is Penn more talented than him? You can definitely argue both ways on that and it would be a great debate. But as far as in the 55 division, he just doesn't have the wins Gomi has to be put ahead of him right now.

[Ravens1991]

on Tim Sylvia blog he said he will make a big announcement soon, plus it is rumored that EliteXC has offered Fedor a 4 fight contract, could we see Sylvia VS. Fedor?

[Ravens1991]

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=5978&zoneid=2


Sylvia out of the UFC. UFC HW division sucks.

[JF4]

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=5978&zoneid=2


Sylvia out of the UFC. UFC HW division sucks.

It's still better than any other HW division out there...

[Ravens1991]

not until CC,Fedor,Sylvia,Hunt,Barnett and maybe AA all get into the same division.

[MaxV]

not until CC,Fedor,Sylvia,Hunt,Barnett and maybe AA all get into the same division.

Don't forget Couture, Alex E. and Kharitonov.

[MaxV]

Great fight so far between Kenny Florian and Joe Lauzon.

[Ravens1991]

great card, I am glad to see Hammill won!!!

[Ravens1991]

Anthony Johnson is the biggest WW I have ever seen, 6'2 with 78 reach, wow.

[holt_bruce81]

Anderson Silva is a BAMF.