MMA Discussion Thread - SPOILERS!

[jayceheathman]

I am ready for Silva vs. Cote. I think a lot of people are undestimating Cote but I think he will put up a great fight.

[Donno]

Anderson Silva can beat any middle and light heavyweight. Period.

[Ravens1991]

Leben beat Cote in a stand up war, and we all know what Silva did to Leben. I think the only people at 185 who can take Anderson are Fihlo and Palahares. If you try to GnP or LnP on Silva for 5 rounds you will get caught standing. These guys can take Anderson down and Submit him. We all saw what Travis Lutter did to Anderson, he was able to mount him round 1 these guys can mount him and take a arm or a leg w/ them

[Ravens1991]

TUF 1 on spike now.

[JF4]

Anderson Silva can beat any middle and light heavyweight. Period.

I think Silva would definitely meet his match if he fought a few of the tougher LHW's in the division.

TUF 1 on spike now.

Without a doubt the best season of TUF and if you are a fan of MMA and haven't seen it shame on you. This is the main reason why UFC's popularity has skyrocketed in the past few years.

[Ravens1991]

I actually think that Anderson Silva toughest match ups are at 185. W/ Fihlo and Palahares. He is to technical in striking for most 205, but some have a 1 punch KO power for him.

And what also helped UFC out after TUF is having one of the greatest fights ever w/ Griffin VS. Bonnar. I feel it is kind of over rated but it was a very good fight.

Now what do you feel are the greatest fights of all time? In no real order

1.Wand VS. Rampage (just the back story plus the complete stand up brawl)
2.Shogun VS. Little Nog (A amazing display of ground and striking, when you say dead even fight this was truely dead even)
3.Don Frye VS.Yoshihiro Takayama (Words dont do it justice, watch it for a good laugh but wow I love that)
4.Nog VS. Barnett 2 (another very even fight but the way Nog fought out of that Guilotine was amazing)

[ccB]

Anderson Silva would school Palhares, if Dan Henderson can beat him in a stand up game than what would stop Anderson Silva. Palhares is being overrated a bit, yeah he pulled off a beautiful sub on Ivan Salavarry, but Ivan and Anderson are on different planets when it comes to fighting. Palhares is far too one dimensional. Also I can think of a few 205 fighters I'd take over Anderson Silva, Lyoto Machida being one of them.

[ccB]

I couldn't quite say what my favorite fight of all time was but Miguel Torres v Yoshiro Maeda is certainly up there.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Anderson Silva would school Palhares, if Dan Henderson can beat him in a stand up game than what would stop Anderson Silva. Palhares is being overrated a bit, yeah he pulled off a beautiful sub on Ivan Salavarry, but Ivan and Anderson are on different planets when it comes to fighting. Palhares is far too one dimensional. Also I can think of a few 205 fighters I'd take over Anderson Silva, Lyoto Machida being one of them.

205er's I take over A-Silva for the time being:

Griffin(He's gritty, Eckstein Style.)
Evans(He's developing a nice right hand)
Machida(Don't need to explain)
Rampage(Brawlin'!)

[Ravens1991]

Anderson Silva would school Palhares, if Dan Henderson can beat him in a stand up game than what would stop Anderson Silva. Palhares is being overrated a bit, yeah he pulled off a beautiful sub on Ivan Salavarry, but Ivan and Anderson are on different planets when it comes to fighting. Palhares is far too one dimensional. Also I can think of a few 205 fighters I'd take over Anderson Silva, Lyoto Machida being one of them.

Obviously in standing he would, but he did manage to takedown Hendo who is far superior in wrestling, and he had 2 leg locks on Hendo and nearly got him and his submission defense is top notch. Plus Palahares has a decent chin, obviously if he cant get a takedown he is dead meat but if he can get it to the ground Silva will have to get up quickly or he is in deep trouble.


205er's I take over A-Silva for the time being:

Griffin(He's gritty, Eckstein Style.)
Evans(He's developing a nice right hand)
Machida(Don't need to explain)
Rampage(Brawlin'!)


Griffin VS. Silva would be interesting, Griffin walks around at 240 while Silva walks around at 210 so Griffin has a nice size advantage. But Silva has a nice chin and Griffin doesn't have the KO power to take him out, I feel Anderson is far more technical and quicker in striking, but I never count Griffin out of a fight but I would predict Anderson wins.

Evans would also be interesting, Evans could make 185 if need be. He would have to play the takedown game. Yes that overhand right was nice but Silva wont throw a right upper cut from the outside w/ his left hand down and his chin out. Evans may win a LnP victory if it was a 3 round fight but in a 5 round fight I think Silva would take him out, especially considering in the Tito and Bisping fight Rashad gassed.

Him and Machida will never fight, but it would be a tough match up for Anderson.

Rampage would also be a good fight, he will have the size, KO power and chin to give Silva issues. Plus his boxing has been more technical since he trained w/ Juan Irabito(sp). But now he is not w/ him who knows what will happen.


I still feel the best guy to take Anderson is a wrestler w/ top level JJ. I think Arona could give Silva issues, I feel his chin is getting underrated people say he has a glass chin after getting KTFO by Soko, but Soko has the heaviest hands at 205.

[ccB]

Pride version of Paulo Filho would be the best skillset to take out Silva, too bad that fighter doesn't exist no more and even if he did they wouldn't fight due to their close relationship.

I still believe Dan Henderson has all the tools to beat Silva, but having the tools on paper and putting them to use are two different things.

[Ravens1991]

yes Hendo is a great match up as well, he has a top 5 chin, great wrestling and has a heavy right hand. I didn't include him because they already fought. I just think a Gnp/LnP wrestler will have a ton of trouble not getting caught in a flurry in 25 minutes. I am really high on Palahares but they may have a Brazil connection since he trains w/ the Nogs and I am 99% sure Anderson does to.

[MaxV]

I like Hendo a lot, but I don't think he would ever beat Spider.

[ccB]

yes Hendo is a great match up as well, he has a top 5 chin, great wrestling and has a heavy right hand. I didn't include him because they already fought. I just think a Gnp/LnP wrestler will have a ton of trouble not getting caught in a flurry in 25 minutes. I am really high on Palahares but they may have a Brazil connection since he trains w/ the Nogs and I am 99% sure Anderson does to.

Palhares is Brazliian Top Team, so he trains with Murilo Bustamante, which is Nogueira's former stomping ground but I do not think they are full time training partners. The Nog's and Silva had been training at Black House but I know there was some kind of issue surounding Black House. Plus Silva and NOg started their own gym in the states. I know during the UFC event Goldberg said Palhares catches Nogueria in submissions, but I dont think they are full time training partners so a fight with Silva shouldn't be an issue. Not that he is anywhere in line for a shot at the title anyway.

[ccB]

I like Hendo a lot, but I don't think he would ever beat Spider.

People said that about him v Wandy, yeah that turned out well...

[Ravens1991]

Hendo has the skills to beat anyone at 185/205, his wrestling and right hand are amazing, not to mention he has a elite chin.


And Goldberg did say Palahares can make his training partners tap regularly(Fihlo,Lil Nog, and I assume Murilo). So he is a challenge to everyone, he is a couple of fights away from a title shot, but he will get a shot considering Silva is about 2-3 more fights from cleaning out the entire 185 division.

I want Melvin Manhoef in the UFC so bad! it would be an amazing fight against Silva, Manhoef may possibly be the best brawler in MMA, even better then Wand!


So who goes everyone got in Wand VS. Rampage? If Rampage brawls he will get beat, but if he tries to box technically and Wand doesnt use his MT then Rampage could take the fight.

[ccB]

Page vs Wandy is a toughy because who knows how Rampage is going to come out after having that complete meltdown. Plus this would be his first fight in a while without Juanito in his corner. I'd like to think Rampage wouldn't be stupid enough to engage in a brawl with Wandy again after what happened the first two times. I think Wandy may just have Rampages card though, the same way Rampage has Chucks. I'd take Wanderlei.

BTW did anyone hear or read the rumor of Machida v Shogun. The UFC match makers really aren't giving Shogun a break at all.

[Ravens1991]

yea I am a Wand nuthugger, him winning the belt would be the equivelent of Ravens winning the super bowl preety much. But I agree Wand Rampage and Chuck may just be a rock/paper/scissors kind of thing, just like it is w/ Wand/Jardine/Chuck

Rock-Wand
Paper-Chuck
Scissors-Rampage

Rock-Wand
Paper-Chuck
Scissors-Jardine

[Tampa 2 4 life]

"I'll retire next year, I already gave my all. I don't need to prove anything for anyone and within one year I'll put my gloves aside."

-- Anderson Silva talking to Brazilian cable channel SporTV.



Well, holy crap.

[Ravens1991]

yea it isnt necessary for him to kill 185ers anymore and tear down his body. He doesnt want the 205 belt because of Machida. I mean I want to see him fight a amazing BJJ fighter and then he has nothing else to prove.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

CroCop Vs. Overeem should be fun tonight. The whole DREAM 6 card should be, actually.

[Ravens1991]

yes Overeem is a monster, he was cutting to much to have effective conditioning at 205, I think he is a top 3 striker at HW, and maybe the best striker.

[ccB]

Just finished watching the dream MW Tourney and I hate to say I told you so but I called it...


You wouldn't have pegged Jason Miller in the final four? I thought he would make it to the final 4 at the very least. Pre- Tourney I had, Jacare, Mousasi, Miller, and Dong Sik Yoon. This was before Melvin was in the tourney, but I think whoever wins this tournament should be in the top 5 current MW's in the world. Its not the best competition true but MW may be the thinnest division worldwide right now. FWIW I am sticking with who I picked from the get go, Gegard Mousasi to win, I hope to see him v Jacare in the finals (they might actually be matched up next round but I am not sure and too lazy to look) Also, I think you are right Melvin isn't top 25 in the world, top 25 striking for sure, but I was just pointing out hes been pretty dominant this year so far.

Gegard Mousasi is a stud. I would of been happy to see either him or Jacare win but I picked Mousasi from day one even when he was matched up with Kang and everyone though Kang would win the tourney.

[Ravens1991]

yes I am shocked Mousasi won, I thought either Jacare or Manhoef would have won. But to bad for CC he got his left nut up in his stomach. He always seems to get kneed in the balls.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I would just like to announce to everyone that after never working out in my life I am entering a MMA tournament. I plan on using the rope a dope technique. Wish me luck.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I would just like to announce to everyone that after never working out in my life I am entering a MMA tournament. I plan on using the rope a dope technique. Wish me luck.

If this isn't sarcasm I'd hope your fighting guys who'd never fought before.

[Dr. Gonzo]

If this isn't sarcasm I'd hope your fighting guys who'd never fought before.

I hope the same. It is all luck of the draw. I am 5'10 150 so I figure I will be fighting smaller guys who are jacked. I am some amatuer wrestling training and I am going to work on submission moves. I expect to take a huge beating but I have a high tolerance for pain so as long as I don't get put in a submission hold I might not get completly embarrased.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I hope the same. It is all luck of the draw. I am 5'10 150 so I figure I will be fighting smaller guys who are jacked. I am some amatuer wrestling training and I am going to work on submission moves. I expect to take a huge beating but I have a high tolerance for pain so as long as I don't get put in a submission hold I might not get completly embarrased.

Go for a LnP decision?

[SuperMcGee]

Forget that, I'm calling Gonzo by Peruvian Necktie.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I think at some point I am going to try and apply the Sharpshooter.

[kwilk103]

my wrestling coach and some former wrestlers did some mma

one guy was 1-1; won by ko and lost by submission; he did no training whatsoever b/c he has a girlfriend and owns his own business; still dont know how the guy he lost to didnt get ko'd; he hit him straight on and the guy fell back into the cage

second guy is 2-0 and in the finals of a tournament; won both by submission

my coach is 1-0 won by submission

they all said wrestling has given them such an advantage

they have their vids on youtube if you want me to post them

[Ravens1991]

go for it w/ posting the videos!!!

Yes Bas Rutten even said wrestling is the best base to start off in MMA.

I want to train BJJ, I got the wrestling backround, I would consider MMA/boxing/Muay Thai but I hate getting punched and kicked. I would just mess around w/ kids in school and I have a bad fight/flight response I am always throwing w/ my eyes closed and curling up. So I figured striking just isnt for me.

[UKfan]

Gonzo by flying scissor kick to heel hook a la Ryo Chonan against Anderson Silva.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=267i7rKeECA

[Dr. Gonzo]

Gonzo by flying scissor kick to heel hook a la Ryo Chonan against Anderson Silva.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=267i7rKeECA

The only way I am going to lose this match by anything but decision is if I get put in a crazy submission move so I must now learn them all. Cool video.

[Ravens1991]

I suggest you get to a training camp ASAP. If there isnt a MMA club just join any club whether its BJJ boxing etc. But I am iffy about TKD. I know some people claim it should be called "Take your dough". I know it has a lot of fancy kicks and all IDK how it would translate.

[Dr. Gonzo]

I suggest you get to a training camp ASAP. If there isnt a MMA club just join any club whether its BJJ boxing etc. But I am iffy about TKD. I know some people claim it should be called "Take your dough". I know it has a lot of fancy kicks and all IDK how it would translate.

Nah. I am making a short film about my experiance in the tournament and the whole point of this for me will be to see if amatuer wrestling training I received for a few years bacck when I was a preteen will translate. I am fairly skinny but have never worked out a day in my life so I want to see if I can beat these guys who train daily. The one thing I am going to work on will be how to get out of submission holds and how to apply them but that will all be down through research. Who knows, maybe if everything goes well and I win a match or two I will actually start to train. I know this is an incredibly stupid thing to do but it should make for a pretty good short film so I am excited. Thanks for all the suggestions everyone.

[ccB]

Gonzo, one word of advice, ELBOWS!

[JF4]

Really you have no hope...I would say the only thing you would need to work on is cardio, I'm assuming yours is complete **** right now and there's no chance you will be able to last the whole fight.

[ccB]

Really you have no hope...I would say the only thing you would need to work on is cardio, I'm assuming yours is complete **** right now and there's no chance you will be able to last the whole fight.

Yeah cardio is a *****, I was in a fight 2 days ago and after about 2 minutes I was so winded all I could do is hold the guy down and pray to god he couldn't get me off, and at 6'1 185 lbs I am no fatty either. Luckily for me he was a lil bit more out of shape than I was and eventually gave up. Afterwards I couldn't breath and puked for about 10 minutes straight. It was a wake up thats for sure, I am out of ******* shape.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Really you have no hope...I would say the only thing you would need to work on is cardio, I'm assuming yours is complete **** right now and there's no chance you will be able to last the whole fight.

I biked to and from work for four months this summer. That is all the cardio I will ever need! My plan is to hop around and lull so my opponent gets really bored when he doesn't hit me and then maybe throw a flying elbow his way or some well placed kicks to his ankle. That is a rough plan though, I will work on it more as the fight gets closer. From what I understand it will be held in November so I have time.

[JF4]

I biked to and from work for four months this summer. That is all the cardio I will ever need! My plan is to hop around and lull so my opponent gets really bored when he doesn't hit me and then maybe throw a flying elbow his way or some well placed kicks to his ankle. That is a rough plan though, I will work on it more as the fight gets closer. From what I understand it will be held in November so I have time.

So you plan to play it like Homer Simpson?

I'd suggest try standing up at first then go for a takedown. Try and work some elbows from the guard and even try some easy submissions (armbar, RNC) The less time you spend on your feet taking a beating the better.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

So you plan to play it like Homer Simpson?

I'd suggest try standing up at first then go for a takedown. Try and work some elbows from the guard and even try some easy submissions (armbar, RNC) The less time you spend on your feet taking a beating the better.

He should just keep repeatedly go for take down attempts until he wins by GnP/Decision/LnP.

[UKfan]

Gonzo, if you struggle standing, throw some leg kicks, very underrated weapon. Also if you want to get into subs, research some leg locks, novices are less likely to know them, or escape them, look at Brock Lesnar.

[Dr. Gonzo]

Cool, thanks for all the suggestions.

[Ravens1991]

UFC 89 card

Middleweight bout: Michael Bisping vs. Chris Leben
Light Heavyweight bout: Keith Jardine vs. Brandon Vera
Light Heavyweight bout: Rameau Thierry Sokoudjou vs. Luis Cane
Welterweight bout: Marcus Davis vs. Paul Kelly
Welterweight bout: Chris Lytle vs. Paul Taylor


preety good for a freebie. All I hope is that Leben finishes off the Bisping hype for good. Nothing impresses me about Bisping. Yes his technique is good but he has no KO power. He is average at everything great at nothing.

[UKfan]

War Bisping!

[Ravens1991]

lol we are the exact opposite on Bisping, you want a sig bet?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I expect Bisping to get his face crushed by Lebin.

[Ravens1991]

I am not getting my hopes up, I hate his guts but he reminds me of Griffin in the way that he is solid at everything and has great cardio. But he did get out struck by Hammil and dropped by Sinosic so I think Leben can win the stand up game. It is tough for me to pick.

But you know a person is a real dueche when the majority of the MMA world rallys around Chris Leben to KTFO you.


(sorry UK fan I just had to say that :))

[UKfan]

lol we are the exact opposite on Bisping, you want a sig bet?

I'll take your sigbet, I made a Bisping sig for myself in the past I can quickly edit...

[JF4]

Henderson vs Franklin and Shogun vs Coleman have been announced.

The Hendo/Franklin fight is at 205 but i'm wondering if anyone knows at what weight the Shogun/Coleman fight is going to take place at?

[Ravens1991]

I'll take your sigbet, I made a Bisping sig for myself in the past I can quickly edit...

ok if Bisping wins I will put in

"Griffin,KenFlo,Evans,Sanchez now Bisping, the TUF hype strikes again."


and if Bisping loses you put in

"If Bisping was the best the UK got then we need to stick to cricket"

and how long do you want the sig bet to be?

[Ravens1991]

Henderson vs Franklin and Shogun vs Coleman have been announced.

The Hendo/Franklin fight is at 205 but i'm wondering if anyone knows at what weight the Shogun/Coleman fight is going to take place at?

I dont get Hendo VS. Franklin at all, especially at 205.

And I am preety sure Coleman said he wants to be at 205 so it will be there.

[UKfan]

ok if Bisping wins I will put in

"Griffin,KenFlo,Evans,Sanchez now Bisping, the TUF hype strikes again."


and if Bisping loses you put in

"If Bisping was the best the UK got then we need to stick to cricket"

and how long do you want the sig bet to be?

Til the next PPV? I like the bet.

[Ravens1991]

yeah that sounds good, which will be a week. Its a deal.

[josh07039]

I have a question for everyone. I consider myself to be more knowledgeable than the average MMA fan, but much, much less knowledgeable than the hardcore fans that have been fans for years. I'm just curious why many MMA fans hate Kimbo Slice so much? He didn't ask to be a face of the sport and whenever he is interviewed he is humble talking about how much he has to learn and how he's a rookie and not a celebrity. He never claims to have it all figured out. EliteXC isn't at fault either, all they are trying to do is take advantage of an incredibly bankable asset. I can understand some questions over whether he is worthy to headline an event, but the point is that MMA is a business and if you can sell tickets than you are worthy of headlining an event.

Furthermore, I suppose I am in the minority that believes in the next few years Kimbo could be a legit fighter. I understand Jame Thompson is not a good fighte. For Kimbo, a guy that has very recently gotten into MMA, I think that fight showed that Kimbo has improved from his street fighting days. He was able to survive on the ground against a much larger and more experienced fighter. I'm not saying UFC champ or anything like that, but with his great punching strength and athleticism, I could see him being a legit UFC caliber heavyweight. Of course this is all predicating on him continuing to improve his cardio and ground game.

[jared]

I have a question for everyone. I consider myself to be more knowledgeable than the average MMA fan, but much, much less knowledgeable than the hardcore fans that have been fans for years. I'm just curious why many MMA fans hate Kimbo Slice so much? He didn't ask to be a face of the sport and whenever he is interviewed he is humble talking about how much he has to learn and how he's a rookie and not a celebrity. He never claims to have it all figured out. EliteXC isn't at fault either, all they are trying to do is take advantage of an incredibly bankable asset. I can understand some questions over whether he is worthy to headline an event, but the point is that MMA is a business and if you can sell tickets than you are worthy of headlining an event.

Furthermore, I suppose I am in the minority that believes in the next few years Kimbo could be a legit fighter. I understand Jame Thompson is not a good fighte. For Kimbo, a guy that has very recently gotten into MMA, I think that fight showed that Kimbo has improved from his street fighting days. He was able to survive on the ground against a much larger and more experienced fighter. I'm not saying UFC champ or anything like that, but with his great punching strength and athleticism, I could see him being a legit UFC caliber heavyweight. Of course this is all predicating on him continuing to improve his cardio and ground game.

I think a lot of people are more annoyed with Elite XC which continues to give him top billing as the main event over more legit fighters. Also, the way that crappy organization is very carefully cherry-picking fighters to protect Kimbo is annoying, especially when he's supposed to be the main draw.

That Thompson fight was shady beyond belief. From Thompson showing up with an ear the size of a canteloupe, to him giving half-ass love taps to Slice when he had his arms completely pinned, to the lame standing stoppage in the 3rd.

Nothing against Kimbo though, he's been pretty humble throughout the process. I just dislike Elite XC and ignorant fans that insist that Slice is anything more than a beginner sideshow with (some) potential right now.

[josh07039]

I think a lot of people are more annoyed with Elite XC which continues to give him top billing as the main event over more legit fighters. Also, the way that crappy organization is very carefully cherry-picking fighters to protect Kimbo is annoying, especially when he's supposed to be the main draw.

That Thompson fight was shady beyond belief. From Thompson showing up with an ear the size of a canteloupe, to him giving half-ass love taps to Slice when he had his arms completely pinned, to the lame standing stoppage in the 3rd.

Nothing against Kimbo though, he's been pretty humble throughout the process. I just dislike Elite XC and ignorant fans that insist that Slice is anything more than a beginner sideshow with (some) potential right now.
I agree that it may be slightly annoying that Kimbo, a rookie fighter is headlining events, but people need to understand that EliteXC is in big financial trouble and Kimbo is really their only bankable/mainstream asset. Considering they are on CBS, they can not simply appeal to hardcore fans, they need to get all the random people that just enjoy violence and happened to see Kimbo fight on Youtube. This comes into your other point, they are choosing realtivley crappy fighter that have some cred whether it be history or just size and looking like a fighter because the legend of Kimbo dies if he loses badly and looks incompetent against a more legit fighter. He is being treated as a rookie with regards to his competition but gets superstar exposure because of his appeal and his moneymaking potential that are absolutely necessary for this struggling promotion.

The only thing about the fight with Thompson I had a problem with was the bulbous thing that looked like an ear protruding from his head. I do not think he was taking it easy on Kimbo, I just think he isn't that good. The Cauliflower ear still eaves me a little suspicious, but it could just reflect the incompetence of ELiteXC. As for the stoppage, it was not a foregone conclusion, but (regardless of your feelings on the ear) the ear exploded and he hit him with a stiff shot to the chin that definitely left him in trouble. My feeling is the fight would've been over in a few seconds anyhow.

I agree entirely that Kimbo is just a novice with potential and is merely a great marketing tool, I'm just a fan of his cause he's just an awesome dude and am willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.

[ccB]

Is the whole MMA world really rooting against Bisping? I haven't really seen anyone other than Ravens1991 who hates him. I personally love the guy, and his personality, he is one of my favorite characters in MMA.

[ccB]

When it comes to Kimbo the hate is derived from many places...

1. He is completely undeserving of being on anything more than an undercard and the fact that he is a main eventer on national TV gives MMA a bad name. MMA has forever been trying to shed the "human **** fighting" label for years and bringing a guy who beat random bums up on the internet and showcasing his fights on national prime time TV is ********. If you want people to take MMA seriously put the real fighter on and not a side show act like Kimbo

2. The level of competition Kimbo is fighting is sickening and the fact that he got beat in his last fight out (screw job!) and is still headlining yet another CBS show is ridiculous. I understand hes a rookie, but don't create this insane hype for the guy just to pit him against out of shape over the hill fighters. Compare Kimbo to Brock Lesnar, in Brocks first 4 fights 3 of the 4 fighters are top notch guys in the industry, 2 former champions (Couture and Mir) and a solid veteran fighter (Herring). Compare those three guys to Cantrell, Shamrock, Abbott and Thompson and its clear that the difference in level of competition is sickening. EliteXC is coddling Kimbo, they will not give him any even remotely stiff match ups to truly test his abilities. Brett Rogers has practically begged for a shot at Kimbo and he cannot get it, why? because EliteXC knows Rogers will eat Kimbo up and they want to squeeze every last cent out of Kimbo's marketability before they throw him to the wolves and he is exposed for being the one dimensional fighter he is. EliteXC is obviously hand picking Kimbo's opponents and its insulting to fans of the sport. I mean they do not even try to hide it. Just look at his last four matchups, all 4 fights against guys who have glass jaws and can be baited into a slug fest very easily, which plays into Kimbos one and only strength, punching power.

3. The fact that EliteXC is pimping guys like Kimbo out and not someone like Brett Rogers, Dave Herman, or Antonio Silva is also ridiculous. All 4 guys I just listed are all immensely talented fighters, leagues better than kimbo, get paid half as much, and get half the air time. We could be watching Slice v Rogers this weekend, but instead Brett is being kept out of the spotlight and Kimbo gets a main stage fight against a 45 year old roid rager who has been knocked out his last 5 matches. It's a shame to see Kimbo on a main event card pushing the guys I listed to the undercard when they are far more talented and far more deserving of national attention.

[UKfan]

Points 1 and 4 (where did 3 go?) Are the ones for me, he's damaging my favourite sports image.

[Dr. Gonzo]

For anyone still wondering about my MMA debut turns out my friend is an idiot and it was a boxing tournament not a MMA one and they will not sanction me and allow me to fight without formal training. It is a sad day.

[ccB]

Points 1 and 4 (where did 3 go?) Are the ones for me, he's damaging my favourite sports image.

Haha in before the edit, I had 4 points deleted 3 and left 4 as 4 instead of making it 3.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

So apparently the following fights are all on UFC 91:

Big Nog vs. Frank mir

Forrest Griffin Vs. Rashad Evans.

Quinton Rampage Jackson Vs. Wanderlei Silva.

Must-Buy.

[Ravens1991]

Is the whole MMA world really rooting against Bisping? I haven't really seen anyone other than Ravens1991 who hates him. I personally love the guy, and his personality, he is one of my favorite characters in MMA.

OK maybe not the whole MMA world, but a good portion wants to see him get his ass beat.

I feel that win against Hammil was the worst thing for his career, if he lost he could still have been marketable at 185 w/o a lot of people hating him.

[ccB]

OK maybe not the whole MMA world, but a good portion wants to see him get his ass beat.

I feel that win against Hammil was the worst thing for his career, if he lost he could still have been marketable at 185 w/o a lot of people hating him.

I don't see the big deal about the Hammil decision, wasn't his fault, hate the judges if you want to hate someone. I don't know I am a sucker for the fighters with the cocky attitudes, shows confidence in their abilities, thats why I am a big fan of guys like BJ Penn, Michael Bisping, Rashad Evans, Nick Diaz, and Kid Yamamoto, all guys who are big **** talkers and come in the ring and back it up. Nick Diaz is an exception, hes not as much cocky as he is ape **** crazy. No one wants to see a fighter come in and talk about how he doubts his abilities and thinks he will lose, thats not fighter spirit. A fighter should always comes in thinking he can win, otherwise he should just stay home.

[Ravens1991]

I am so pumped for UFC 92, WAR WAND!!!!!!!!


And I agree w/ CCBG about Kimbo, MMA has fought for years to show it isnt red necks fighting each other and that it is actually martial arts combined. Kimbo sets MMA back years every primetime cable show. Not to mention people are starting to think this guy is the best in MMA, some people actually think he can stand w/ anybody in MMA!!! when he cant even KO James Thompson who has the weakest chin in MMA!

That fight was rigged against Thompson IDC what anyone says, I think the refs were in on it and probably Thompson.

Also Kimbo sucks as a fighter in general, his takedown defense and ground game is the worst I have ever seen. I guarentee you any HWT college wrestler would beat Kimbo w/ a 15 minutes to youtube w/e fighting techniques he wants. Thats how bad his takedown defense is.

And I dont hate him, I give Kimbo props for getting paid I would take the same deal as him. But I dont feel he is good for MMA.

[Ravens1991]

I don't see the big deal about the Hammil decision, wasn't his fault, hate the judges if you want to hate someone. I don't know I am a sucker for the fighters with the cocky attitudes, shows confidence in their abilities, thats why I am a big fan of guys like BJ Penn, Michael Bisping, Nick Diaz, and Kid Yamamoto, all guys who are big **** talkers and come in the ring and back it up. Nick Diaz is an exception, hes not as much cocky as he is ape **** crazy.

yea I think the judges were wrong, but I hate all the trash he said about Hammil. Then the hype, people think he could be a champ, when lost to Hammil in stand up when Franklin dismantled Hammil in stand up, and Franklin would be the #3 MW in the UFC if he stayed down there.

[ccB]

yea I think the judges were wrong, but I hate all the trash he said about Hammil. Then the hype, people think he could be a champ, when lost to Hammil in stand up when Franklin dismantled Hammil in stand up, and Franklin would be the #3 MW in the UFC if he stayed down there.

Franklin is the number #2 MW in the world IMO, Silva is just that good. You also shouldn't judge a fighter based on how someone else did against common opponents, it can lead to weird paradoxes like with Rampage/Chuck/Wandy.

[josh07039]

I agree with your points, and I would love to see a Rogers-Slice fight, because I don't think it is a foregone conclusion Kimbo would get destroyed. I think it would be a good fight because it would be strength vs strength. Two stand up guys going at it. I just don't think it is EliteXC's job to worry about the reputation of MMA in the eyes of the hardcore fans, their main concern needs to be making money and keeping their brand alive. EliteXC is featuring a more legit fight with the inclusion of the Affliction fight. they have two featured fights one that is solely for money and one that has much more appeal for a real fight fan.

BTW, I love Dave Herman. He is a great athlete and a good fighter and hasn't had much formal MMA training. In the future he could make it to UFC and be a legit fighter.

[Ravens1991]

Franklin is the number #2 MW in the world IMO, Silva is just that good. You also shouldn't judge a fighter based on how someone else did against common opponents, it can lead to weird paradoxes like with Rampage/Chuck/Wandy.

yea in the UFC I think Anderson and Hendo would take Franklin. I know MMAmath is bad but I still think Bisping is over hyped.

[jared]

I agree with your points, and I would love to see a Rogers-Slice fight, because I don't think it is a foregone conclusion Kimbo would get destroyed. I think it would be a good fight because it would be strength vs strength. Two stand up guys going at it. I just don't think it is EliteXC's job to worry about the reputation of MMA in the eyes of the hardcore fans, their main concern needs to be making money and keeping their brand alive. EliteXC is featuring a more legit fight with the inclusion of the Affliction fight. they have two featured fights one that is solely for money and one that has much more appeal for a real fight fan.

BTW, I love Dave Herman. He is a great athlete and a good fighter and hasn't had much formal MMA training. In the future he could make it to UFC and be a legit fighter.

We both understand each other. We all get why Elite XC is doing what they're doing, we just don't like it. As Charm City said above, it demeans the sport putting what is barely undercard-worthy as the main event of the evening. Nothing against Kimbo. He's been pretty cool about everything, as much as you can expect from a guy. He's out there getting paid, good for him. Doesn't mean I have to like the organization or the "fans" that make it happen though.

[josh07039]

We both understand each other. We all get why Elite XC is doing what they're doing, we just don't like it. As Charm City said above, it demeans the sport putting what is barely undercard-worthy as the main event of the evening. Nothing against Kimbo. He's been pretty cool about everything, as much as you can expect from a guy. He's out there getting paid, good for him. Doesn't mean I have to like the organization or the "fans" that make it happen though.
Enough of this nonsense second rate promotion. Im looking forward to UFC 92 so much. That event has three fights that are immeasurably better than anything EliteXC has to offer.
Early Picks- Griffin/Mir/Silva

I think Mir may be the badass he was before the accident. ?I've always seen his submission game as absolutely elite. Griffin I think has such a well rounded game and great cardio. He was smart against Rampage and will not be a ****** like Liddell and open himself up to one lucky shot.As for Silva winning, I'm just going based on the theory that he won't be ready mentally and the loss of Ibarra may be costly. With no drama I would pick Rampage because I think he is much better than he was when Silva beat him in pride.

[Ravens1991]

I see no way Mir beats Nog unless it is a fluke. Nog can keep this standing until Mir gasses then get a takedown and finish him on the ground.

[josh07039]

I see no way Mir beats Nog unless it is a fluke. Nog can keep this standing until Mir gasses then get a takedown and finish him on the ground.I'm not so sure, then again, I'm really biased because I love Mir. Mir is just such a good submission guy that I think if it can go to the ground Mir could finish it quickly. Granted Noguiera is no slouch on the ground either. It's definitely not a one sided affair on either side in my opinion, I just think Mir will win it.

[jared]

"No slouch" is a bit of an understatement about Nog. He should be able to pepper Mir standing. On the ground should be very interesting though. Neither fighter has ever been submitted. Nog's never been finished, period.

[ccB]

Nogueiras jits is just as good if not better than Mir's. Neither guy is a slouch on the ground though. I doubt you see either guy submit the other. When two elite level BJJ guys are matched up it usually doesn't end in submission. My guess is Nogueira wins by decision, either that or Frank gasses and Nogueira gets a TKO.

[UKfan]

Nog by hugs! (I hope you watching TUF to get this)

[ccB]

Nog by hugs! (I hope you watching TUF to get this)

He's not as bad as the lightweight on his team who hugs everyone. I forget his name but he's a spikey haired guy who trains at the Pit with Chuck Liddell.

[Ravens1991]

yea no disrespect to Mir but he is nothing compared to Nog. W/o Fedor Nog would possibly the greatest fighter ever. I read instead of doing sprints Mir plays flag football! you cant do that and expect to go 5 rounds. Nog has this.

[josh07039]

yea no disrespect to Mir but he is nothing compared to Nog. W/o Fedor Nog would possibly the greatest fighter ever. I read instead of doing sprints Mir plays flag football! you cant do that and expect to go 5 rounds. Nog has this.
If that is true, Mir is a ******. I just have a soft spot for the guy and we all shall see.

[UKfan]

He's not as bad as the lightweight on his team who hugs everyone. I forget his name but he's a spikey haired guy who trains at the Pit with Chuck Liddell.

Very true, but Nog cracked me up when he said "It's OK, I like hugs too".

Nog is my favourite HW, always has been.

[Ravens1991]

so who do you all got in Shamrock VS. Kimbo? DUe to the unfourtanete circumstances of me losing my homecoming ticket it looks like I will get to watch this.

I got Kimbo via fixed 1st round KO.

if there is no fix then its Shamrock by leg lock round 1.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

so who do you all got in Shamrock VS. Kimbo? DUe to the unfourtanete circumstances of me losing my homecoming ticket it looks like I will get to watch this.

I got Kimbo via fixed 1st round KO.

if there is no fix then its Shamrock by leg lock round 1.

Shamrock hasn't submitted anyone besides nameless 1 scrub in a decade. Kimbo can stay on his feet and out of trouble long enough for:

2nd round KO

[Ravens1991]

Kimbo takedown defense sucks, I think if Ken really wants it on the ground he could get it there, but then again I feel Ken gets a big big pay day to just stand up and try to brawl.

[jayceheathman]

yea no disrespect to Mir but he is nothing compared to Nog. W/o Fedor Nog would possibly the greatest fighter ever. I read instead of doing sprints Mir plays flag football! you cant do that and expect to go 5 rounds. Nog has this.

Either way you are running so how is that a bad thing? I hate cardio so I will play racquetball or basketball to still get the excercise in.

[Ravens1991]

running for 7 seconds then taking a 30 second break does little compared to sprints and true running.

[jayceheathman]

running for 7 seconds then taking a 30 second break does little compared to sprints and true running.

He would have to play longer to make up for it but you could still get the same amount of excercise in. Its like saying football players dont get exhausted during the game

[Ravens1991]

yea he would have to play every play offense and defense for like 2 games to get the same workout as a 30 minute cardio session would.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Ken Shamrock weighing in at 206 is a freaking joke.

[Ravens1991]

the whole thing is a freak show. Did you see the weigh ins? Kimbo turned his back on Ken and then Ken shoved him making Kimbo gang act all tough. I would love to see Kimbo fight Aleksander Emelianenko then see if Kimbo gang wants to talk crap to his russian mob friends.

[MaxV]

Kimbo's gang wouldn't act tough if Fedor is in the room. They would just sit in the corner and try not to make a sound.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

"MMARated.com has learned that Ken Shamrock sustained a cut above his eye in the last 24 hours while training and WILL NOT be fighting in tonight's main event bout against Kimbo Slice.

EliteXC officials are scrambling to find a last minute replacement for Shamrock. We have heard that Frank Shamrock - who is calling the fight for CBS - offered to step in at the last minute but is ultimately not fighting. EliteXC has offered Slice Seth Petruzelli - who was scheduled to fight Aaron Rosa tonight. As of right now, Kimbo has yet to officially accept the fight."

Oops.

[SuperKevin]

Ha. I wish I could see how Ken Shamock "cut" his eye.

[Rob S]

what is he doing sparring AFTER weigh in?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

what is he doing sparring AFTER weigh in?

I think the point everyone missing is:

Seth Petruzelli may actually beat Kimbo if Kimbo takes that fight. He took Matt Hammil to decision, which is sort of impressive, and seems to have an actual groundgame, just looking at his record. But we''ll see.

[WMD]

Sounds like Shamrock just watched his first Kimbo fight and was having second thoughts.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Sounds like Shamrock just watched his first Kimbo fight and was having second thoughts.

Or just knows his last fight was a loss to some guy named Robert Berry.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

EliteXC finds doctor to clear shamrock, fight back on.

[SuperKevin]

EliteXC finds doctor to clear shamrock, fight back on.

Good I can't wait to see Shamrock's jaw explode

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Good I can't wait to see Shamrock's jaw explode

It's like watching a less talented Chuck liddell fight in 5 years.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

"They skipped the Petruzelli vs. Rosa fight. This might mean that Petruzelli is replacing Shamrock after all."

EliteXC needs to make up its freaking mind.

[josh07039]

Shamrock is out, but no replacement has been made official.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Safe to say Ninja isn't as good as his brother, huh.

[josh07039]

That stoppage was ridiculous on Roy Nelson. I guess Nelson is just ridiculous in general.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

That stoppage was ridiculous on Roy Nelson. I guess Nelson is just ridiculous in general.

Ref couldn't see his Kimura past his gut.

[josh07039]

Ref couldn't see his Kimura past his gut.
The good thing about his gut is you can always see a solid shot because of the reverberations. Also is Kimbo's new opponent any more legit than shamrock, or just another piece of meat?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

The good thing about his gut is you can always see a solid shot because of the reverberations. Also is Kimbo's new opponent any more legit than shamrock, or just another piece of meat?

He had a decent run on TUF, probably better than Shamrock at this point.

[LTgiants]

kimbo got ****** up

[kwilk103]

slice ko'd in 13 sec

[josh07039]

holy **** he just slipped and sucked balls

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Seth petruzelli lol.

[josh07039]

I cant believe they said that was the greatest victory in mixed martial arts history.

[JT Jag]

Man, Kimbo got the unholy crap beaten out of him.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Man, Kimbo got the unholy crap beaten out of him.

Dana White just got Sexual Pleasure from Kimbo losing.

[Ravens1991]

YES!!!! What a awesome day, I went to homecoming got my grind on then I watch the highlights of the worst thing to MMA get its death sentence!!!

[Tampa 2 4 life]

YES!!!! What a awesome day, I went to homecoming got my grind on then I watch the highlights of the worst thing to MMA get its death sentence!!!

On that note; anyone else catching the hints of Fedor Vs. Andrei on CBS?

[vatech=accdomination]

down goes elitexc's reputation, more importantly

[Ravens1991]

that will be there last horray. But I would love it.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

that will be there last horray. But I would love it.

Shaw was screaming "BACK OF THE HEAD" before the ref stopped it.

[josh07039]

On that note; anyone else catching the hints of Fedor Vs. Andrei on CBS?
That seems to be what is being set up. Fedor is impossibly good, can anyone beat him?

[Breaker]

That was the worst 14 seconds of EPIC FAIL I've ever seen in my life.

Kimbo is donnne.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

That seems to be what is being set up. Fedor is impossibly good, can anyone beat him?

Uhh...Doesn't Silva walk at 220? :P

[MaxV]

I like the announcer's reaction after the KO:

"THE MOST INCREDIBLE VICTORY IN THE HISTORY OF MMA!!!"

LOL, yeah right.

[josh07039]

Uhh...Doesn't Silva walk at 220? :PIt would be cool to have one drop a lot and one rise a lot and get the matchup of all time going.

[jballa838]

IN the interview afterwards kimbo didn't care he lost. But the after parties are still gon' happen.
This guy's a joke

[Tampa 2 4 life]

IN the interview afterwards kimbo didn't care he lost. But the after parties are still gon' happen.
This guy's a joke

He allowed me to get rid of my LibidStrong sig, at least.

[josh07039]

He allowed me to get rid of my LibidStrong sig, at least.Its a good thing Petruzelli was aggressive because now the whole fight fits.

[MaxV]

Good.

No more publicity stunts. Now we can concentrate on the actual professional fighters.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Good.

No more publicity stunts. Now we can concentrate on the actual professional fighters.

Like how Jake Shields was exposed tonight.

[CT Bronco Fan]

Almost looks like Petruzelli kicked him in the groin

[CashmoneyDrew]

Almost looks like Petruzelli kicked him in the groin

Nah, that's just what Kimbo's face looks like.

[MetSox17]

Hey guys, this morning i just fast forwarded all the way to the Kimbo fight and didn't catch why Shamrock bailed out. Can anyone help me out?

Also, the fight itself was a sham. I never thought Kimbo was a legit fighter, but i at least gave him the benefit of doubt on having a decent chin. Guy took a half assed jab and tumbled down like if he had taken a kick in the noodle. What a joke.

[JF4]

Hey guys, this morning i just fast forwarded all the way to the Kimbo fight and didn't catch why Shamrock bailed out. Can anyone help me out?

Also, the fight itself was a sham. I never thought Kimbo was a legit fighter, but i at least gave him the benefit of doubt on having a decent chin. Guy took a half assed jab and tumbled down like if he had taken a kick in the noodle. What a joke.

Shamrock caught an accidental head-but, which opened up a previous cut, when he was preparing for the fight. Doctor's wouldn't clear him for the fight.

[ccB]

Hey guys, this morning i just fast forwarded all the way to the Kimbo fight and didn't catch why Shamrock bailed out. Can anyone help me out?

SIGH, and here we witness first hand the problem with the Kimbo hype machine that EliteXC created. Instead of staying to watch one of the legit fights the casual fan fast forwards to the Kimbo fight. Now if they spent half the time promoting someone else the way they do Kimbo, perhaps an audience would watch the entire card instead of waiting around until the side show act comes on. But of course not, people only watch Mr T lite fight and further increase his name value, so that the true MMA fans have to continue to put up with these ******** main events.

[SuperKevin]

That Cris Cyborg chick had to have been born a man.

[bernbabybern820]

IN the interview afterwards kimbo didn't care he lost. But the after parties are still gon' happen.
This guy's a joke

You can't really be thinking this can you? He left more because he was ashamed that he lost.

[HUGH!]

kimbo and david blaine should fight

[UKfan]

kimbo and david blaine should fight

Only if it is to the death.

And Both Lose.

[Ravens1991]

I want to see Kimbo VS. Wand! Just for pure entertainment value.

[SuperKevin]

I'm still looking forward to Kimbo Slice vs Ken Shamrock. I love watching Ken Shamrock get knocked out

[MetSox17]

SIGH, and here we witness first hand the problem with the Kimbo hype machine that EliteXC created. Instead of staying to watch one of the legit fights the casual fan fast forwards to the Kimbo fight. Now if they spent half the time promoting someone else the way they do Kimbo, perhaps an audience would watch the entire card instead of waiting around until the side show act comes on. But of course not, people only watch Mr T lite fight and further increase his name value, so that the true MMA fans have to continue to put up with these ******** main events.

I'm sorry that you mistook my forwarding of the event to the Kimbo fight as not caring much for the sport itself, but i was in a hurry and wanted to see what happened. I'm in no way a Kimbo Slice fan, i wanted to see if Shamrock would beat him to a pulp like James Thompson should have. If i seem like a "casual fan" for not wanting to see female MMA, then i'm guilty.

Since i usually don't buy PPV events, i DVR all UFC Unleashed, UFC Wired, and TUF episodes. I don't consider myself a hardcore fan, but i'm in no way just a casual viewer. I wish i knew where Pride fights came out, and i'd watch those too, as there's an ass-load of talent over there as well.

Don't label me as a "OMG i lovez chuckz lidellz" guy off of one post.

[Ravens1991]

Pride was bought out months ago. Pride is dead RIP Pride.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I'm sorry that you mistook my forwarding of the event to the Kimbo fight as not caring much for the sport itself, but i was in a hurry and wanted to see what happened. I'm in no way a Kimbo Slice fan, i wanted to see if Shamrock would beat him to a pulp like James Thompson should have. If i seem like a "casual fan" for not wanting to see female MMA, then i'm guilty.

Since i usually don't buy PPV events, i DVR all UFC Unleashed, UFC Wired, and TUF episodes. I don't consider myself a hardcore fan, but i'm in no way just a casual viewer. I wish i knew where Pride fights came out, and i'd watch those too, as there's an ass-load of talent over there as well.

Don't label me as a "OMG i lovez chuckz lidellz" guy off of one post.

Haha Shamrock beating anyone to a pulp at this point even Kimbo is something I would have to see. Now Gina Carano vs. Cyborg is one headline Elite XC fight that I would actually watch. I still can't believe Kimbo got paid $500,000 for his beat down, while Petruzzi got paid only 50k. It was cool to see Arlovski fighting that fat slob though. Nelson though is no push over, literally. I thought at one point he was going to get Andrei to submit by suffocating him under his whale of a belly.

[SuperKevin]

Haha Shamrock beating anyone to a pulp at this point even Kimbo is something I would have to see. Now Gina Carano vs. Cyborg is one headline Elite XC fight that I would actually watch. I still can't believe Kimbo got paid $500,000 for his beat down, while Petruzzi got paid only 50k. It was cool to see Arlovski fighting that fat slob though. Nelson though is no push over, literally. I thought at one point he was going to get Andrei to submit by suffocating him under his whale of a belly.

Roy Nelson is actually a beast for a fat guy.

Elite XC is the most laughable organization ever. I swear they'd throw an amputee in the ring if they thought it'd sell tickets

[HChu]

Why is every big southern guy nicknamed "Big Country?" And seriously Cyborg needs to have very extensive background checks and gender testing before it fights again.

[HUGH!]

I'm still looking forward to Kimbo Slice vs Ken Shamrock. I love watching Ken Shamrock get knocked out

Ken shamrock would easily win. He was a former WWF Champion and WWF Intercontinental Champion.

[Ravens1991]

Roy Nelson is actually a beast for a fat guy.

Elite XC is the most laughable organization ever. I swear they'd throw an amputee in the ring if they thought it'd sell tickets

I agree, they were setting MMA back years every CBS show. Hopefully the slaughter of Kimbo will stop this lame org.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I agree, they were setting MMA back years every CBS show. Hopefully the slaughter of Kimbo will stop this lame org.

Coming soon: Affliction on ABC and UFC on fox.

[SuperKevin]

Coming soon: Affliction on ABC and UFC on fox.

Spike TV will NEVER EVER let go of the UFC. I could see WEC move from Vs to a major network though

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Spike TV will NEVER EVER let go of the UFC. I could see WEC move from Vs to a major network though

UFC already threw around the idea with a few networks, reportedly.

[fenikz]

the contract is up in 2011 if the sport continues to progress with main stream audiences i think you will see ABC grab it, bring back friday night fights on espn

[vatech=accdomination]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/mma_experts/post/EliteXC-told-Petruzelli-he-wasn-t-ALLOWED-to-tak;_ylt=AguYXgR84qGNUFD948bzo.M9Eo14?urn=mma,1129 87

lol

[MetSox17]

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/mma_experts/post/EliteXC-told-Petruzelli-he-wasn-t-ALLOWED-to-tak;_ylt=AguYXgR84qGNUFD948bzo.M9Eo14?urn=mma,1129 87

lol

I didn't know Vince McMahon was running the show.

[ccB]

Roy Nelson is actually a beast for a fat guy.

Elite XC is the most laughable organization ever. I swear they'd throw an amputee in the ring if they thought it'd sell tickets

A beast who got screwed over royally. Who stands up a fighter when he is:

A. In side control and has only been there a matter of seconds
B. Applying a kimura that looked to be pretty deep.

EliteXC is so fishy, its like they told the refs "Do whatever you can to ensure there is no ground game in these fights!" and even going as far as to tell Seth Petruzelli that you will pay him more to keep the fight standing (though he has since retracted the statement) News flash EliteXC (Jared Shaw I am looking at you!) this is not boxing, this is mma, going to the ground is part of the game. If you want to keep all fights standing so you can get a knockout then get into promoting boxing you turd.

If you want more reason to hate Jared Shaw check out this .gif:

http://assets.sbnation.com/fan_shot_images/17216/skala-kimbo_seth-juggo.gif

Hmmmm, wonder who he wanted to win that fight? If you are a MMA promoter and matchmaker and you make gimme fights because you want someone to win don't be surprised and act like a lunatic like Jared does here when your fighter gets his ass trounced.

The UFC's product is leaps and bounds ahead of anything out there and EliteXC is proving that event by event. The only promotion that rivals the UFC in terms of a putting on a great show is the WEC, in terms of great fights, I think the WEC has put the best events on cable TV this year, and the best part about it is they are ******* owned by Zuffa. Dana White has the MMA world by the nuts and I for one think its ******* awesome.

[slightlyaraiderfan]

haha that gif is hilarious. most mma fans cheered when Kimbo lost

[JF4]

I love how Hulk Hogan is sitting beside Shaw.

[bored of education]

haha that gif is hilarious. most mma fans cheered when Kimbo lost


you are sexy :) got Rocky

[PACKmanN]

I was thinking about this, how good would a Clay Guida vs Anderson Silva fight be?

[Ravens1991]

are you kidding me? Is this a troll attempt or are you knew to the sport?

[MetSox17]

Is anyone keeping up with TUF?

[Ravens1991]

I am, I hope Junie gets put into a submission and he gets his leg broken. I wanted to see a LHW kick the crap out of that dueche bag.

[slightlyaraiderfan]

Great sig pic Packmann.

[TheBuffaloBills]

Junie is a ******. He gets a second chance by Dana, and then he hops into the ring after the fight. If he doesnt get kicked off for that, then I want to see him get KTHO.

[Ravens1991]

who knows what will happen, but I think Dana is keeping him on for viewers preety much.

[MetSox17]

Yeah, i'm pretty sick of Junie already. I can't believe he didn't get kicked off, and if he still stays on after what happened this week i'm gonna be pissed. Also, i'm glad Shane got his ass submitted after talking so much junk to Efrain.

[Ravens1991]

I am starting to think Junie is just a show so this guy can get his 15 minutes of fame. If you act like that in real life he would be dead by now, or he is very very lucky.

[MetSox17]

Yeah, i agree. I think Dana definitely took into consideration the amount of drama he brings to the house as a positive thing for the show. I hate him and i hope he gets his ass stomped when he fights, cause he's a complete d-bag.

[ccB]

I empathize with Junie because I had a childhood similar to his and I know what its like to deal with anger issues that derive from that later in life. I think he is an alright guy when sober, definitely immature as all hell but seems like a decent person. He just seems very insecure add that with alcohol and immaturity and you get those outbursts. I think Dana kept him on the show because he sees the talent in him and realizes hes probably a top 3 LW in the house (LW seems pretty thin) not to mention he brings in the viewers. I honestly would not be surprised if he didn't get sent home next episode, though I think he should.

BTW I was bummed to see one of my top LW's to win it get sent home in Shane Nelson but atleast he lost to Escudero who was my other LW I had going far. Atleast my 2 LHW picks are still in it with Ryan Bader and Krystoff Soyziaskdhalsdaski.

FWIW I have Escuedero v Nover in the LW finals and Bader v Krystoff in the LHW. Though the guy I want to see win LHW is Vincius Magahales (sp?) I think he has the most upside out of anyone in the house.

[UKfan]

I picked Soszynski from the outset, I'll stick with that.

[ccB]

I picked Soszynski from the outset, I'll stick with that.
Yeah thats the obvious choice, most professional experience out of anyone on the show. Plus the move down from HW (where he fought at in the IFL) is a great choice for him, if you can cut down to a smaller weight 9 out of 10 times it will work out better for you. I picked him v Bader, the most known commodity v the physical specimen. I really hope thats the fight at the end.

[UKfan]

Yeah thats the obvious choice, most professional experience out of anyone on the show. Plus the move down from HW (where he fought at in the IFL) is a great choice for him, if you can cut down to a smaller weight 9 out of 10 times it will work out better for you. I picked him v Bader, the most known commodity v the physical specimen. I really hope thats the fight at the end.

Yeah definitely, I agree, Bader looked like he had some skills against Tom as well, it would be a good fight.

LW wise, I didn't know much about them going in, but I like Philippe from his first fight, and Efrain looked ok. LW talent isn't a huge deal, as you know they will be scrappy and make a good fight.

[ccB]

Yeah definitely, I agree, Bader looked like he had some skills against Tom as well, it would be a good fight.

LW wise, I didn't know much about them going in, but I like Philippe from his first fight, and Efrain looked ok. LW talent isn't a huge deal, as you know they will be scrappy and make a good fight.

Ryan Bader is essentially the 205 version of CB Dolloway, which is no surprise beings they are training partners.

Pre-TUF a quote stuck with me from Dana White saying he had the LW Anderson Silva on the show, from the preliminaries it looked to me Nover had the closest skillset to Silva's so I think it is him, therefor I think he will be one of the guys in the finals. I am really bummed Junie can't get his head out of his ass, during the preliminary match he was just dripping with potential, I had high hopes for him. With Efrain, I think his conditioning and wrestling will get him to the end, which may turn out to be a bit of a bore but we will see, his choke last week was pretty sick, hope he keeps finishing fights and doesn't LnP.

[Ravens1991]

Who do you got w/ Junie VS. Escudero?

I can see this going down the way they set up Leben VS. Koscheck.

[UKfan]

Ryan Bader is essentially the 205 version of CB Dolloway, which is no surprise beings they are training partners.

Pre-TUF a quote stuck with me from Dana White saying he had the LW Anderson Silva on the show, from the preliminaries it looked to me Nover had the closest skillset to Silva's so I think it is him, therefor I think he will be one of the guys in the finals. I am really bummed Junie can't get his head out of his ass, during the preliminary match he was just dripping with potential, I had high hopes for him. With Efrain, I think his conditioning and wrestling will get him to the end, which may turn out to be a bit of a bore but we will see, his choke last week was pretty sick, hope he keeps finishing fights and doesn't LnP.

Did he say it was an LW, I heard the quote, but I thought he just said he had the next Silva, anyway prior to the prelims I figured it might be Duarte, guess not.

[ccB]

Did he say it was an LW, I heard the quote, but I thought he just said he had the next Silva, anyway prior to the prelims I figured it might be Duarte, guess not.

Yeah Duarte was the most decorated LW coming into the show, I was quite shocked to see him lose. I was expecting him to be the LW they brought back on because I thought he showed some potential, but I guess DW didn't feel the same way, either that or he got injured.

[UKfan]

Yeah Duarte was the most decorated LW coming into the show, I was quite shocked to see him lose. I was expecting him to be the LW they brought back on because I thought he showed some potential, but I guess DW didn't feel the same way, either that or he got injured.

I figured Duarte would be back as well, oh well, maybe he'll get a shot in WEC or something.

[ccB]

<3 WEC they put on the best ******* shows.

[UKfan]

I catch WEC when I can on t'internet, but we don't get it on TV here. Sucks.

[ccB]

I catch WEC when I can on t'internet, but we don't get it on TV here. Sucks.

Aw man thats a bummer, the WEC puts on some great ******* shows.

[UKfan]

Aw man thats a bummer, the WEC puts on some great ******* shows.

Yeah, the TV channel that shows UFC has just changed here and we now get them live, so hopefully a contract is in the works for WEC, we'll see though.

[Ravens1991]

bump I hope Bisping is prepared for an ass beating tommorow:)

I am also really excited for the Vera VS. Jardine fight, I got Vera winning.

[PACKmanN]

Who do you guys think will win the Marcus Davis vs. Paul Kelly fight?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Who do you guys think will win the Marcus Davis vs. Paul Kelly fight?

Davis by sub.

Edit: If this turns out to be a spoiler I didn't intend it to be because I'm not looking until I can watch.

[UKfan]

I'll say Davis, but Kelly is no mug.

[UKfan]

Some awesome entrance music so far, Paul Taylor coming out to The Jam.

I won't mention results yet as unsure if there is a delay, PM me if you really want, but am sure you can find a PbP online.

[PACKmanN]

sorry, :) ........

[UKfan]

Has this been aired in the US yet? If not you might want to put a spoiler in your post Pack

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Has this been aired in the US yet? If not you might want to put a spoiler in your post Pack

It has not and I am now angry.

[Ravens1991]

I admit Bisping won fair and square, but if he faces Franklin after TUF 9, he is going to die. Bisping is decent I admit but he will be eaten alive by Rich.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I admit Bisping won fair and square, but if he faces Franklin after TUF 9, he is going to die. Bisping is decent I admit but he will be eaten alive by Rich.

He won, but he certainly didn't look good doing it.

btw, O/U 15 months of Shane Carwin being HW champion in his career?

[MetSox17]

Didn't enjoy seeing Brandon Vera get battered around.

Anyway, anyone think Noguiera made a huge mistake by going after Eliot on TUF? Shane just got dominated, he never really had a chance.

Also, what's with Dana always choosing a complete jerk-off coach? Frank Mir is an ass. I hope Junie gets submitted next week.

[UKfan]

I admit Bisping won fair and square, but if he faces Franklin after TUF 9, he is going to die. Bisping is decent I admit but he will be eaten alive by Rich.

Bisping just chose the strategy ideally suited for fighting Leben, using his jab and good footwork. He wouldn't fight the same way against Rich or Hendo, although as this time I don't think he would beat them yet, certainly not Hendo, Bisping's wrestling has always been his biggest flaw, even if he is training with 'Page.

[UKfan]

http://sherdog.com/thumbnail_crop.php?image=http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/pictures/20081019120243_D2P_8275.JPG&width_size=600

[Ravens1991]

Bisping just chose the strategy ideally suited for fighting Leben, using his jab and good footwork. He wouldn't fight the same way against Rich or Hendo, although as this time I don't think he would beat them yet, certainly not Hendo, Bisping's wrestling has always been his biggest flaw, even if he is training with 'Page.

yes he had a perfect strategy against a brawler. But his best career win is Leben, that puts him on the same level as Starnes and MacDonald.

[MetSox17]

yes he had a perfect strategy against a brawler. But his best career win is Leben, that puts him on the same level as Starnes and MacDonald.

Not to mention Matt Hamill was robbed by Bisping.

[Ravens1991]

yea, the way Bisping acted after that made me hate his guts, not to mention he said "After I beat leben I will show him a thing or 2 about binge drinking" (a paraphrase but still not a cool thing to say to a person w/ a DUI and alcohol issues as seen on TUF). He is sometimes funny but he is a dueche IMO. This guy still set is average.

[bernbabybern820]

He won, but he certainly didn't look good doing it.

btw, O/U 15 months of Shane Carwin being HW champion in his career?

Carwin hasn't fought anyone good. I think Lesnar is better than him in every aspect except for glove size.

[Ravens1991]

yes Lesnar is a future champ. I rate Lesnar and Velasquez over Carwin. I have big hopes for Lesnar, and Velasquez and well, I think Carwin can be good but not as good as them.

[ccB]

Carwin hasn't fought anyone good. I think Lesnar is better than him in every aspect except for glove size.
********, Brock Lesnar is not better in every aspect of the game than Carwin, you are pulling that out of your ass. I'd love to know where you observed all aspects of Lesnar's game at because in three fights all Brock has shown is that hes strong, a freak athete, and he has good ground control when on top. I love how people start fabricating information when a fighter starts getting ton's of publicity. If the two were to fight right now I'd take Carwin, he's bigger, has better technique when striking and has a better submission skillset. All Brock has on him is wrestling, power (which is arguable), and speed. Just because Lesnar is getting a shot at the title does not mean he deserves it and does not mean he is the upper echelon of fighters. In terms of athleticism he is in the upper echelon but athleticism alone doesn't win fights. The only thing separating the two in terms of their standing in the UFC is name value. Also lets please quit acting like Brock has beat someone good, Heath Herring is nothing more than a gatekeeper at this point in his career.

[ccB]

yes Lesnar is a future champ. I rate Lesnar and Velasquez over Carwin. I have big hopes for Lesnar, and Velasquez and well, I think Carwin can be good but not as good as them.

Give me Cain Velasquez out of those three, he is the youngest, most technical, and trains at AKA with awesome fighters such as Jon Fitch, Josh Koscheck, and Mike Swick who all rave about how fast the guy learns, how hard he works, and how much of a beast he is when training.

[UKfan]

Brock needs to learn some semblance of a jits game before you can pull out statements like that, he lost great positions so many times against Herring, and that was whilst he was on top, he'll get schooled if someone gets him on his back, which Carwin could.

[ccB]

Brock needs to learn some semblance of a jits game before you can pull out statements like that, he lost great positions so many times against Herring, and that was whilst he was on top, he'll get schooled if someone gets him on his back, which Carwin could.

I want to see how Brock reacts to Randy holding him against the cage and dirty boxing him for 5 rounds. If Randy is able to avoid the takedown of course.

[UKfan]

I want to see how Brock reacts to Randy holding him against the cage and dirty boxing him for 5 rounds. If Randy is able to avoid the takedown of course.

Very true, Brock might be a hoss, but he still is in no way going to know all the nuances and subtleties of the game.

[Fck JC, He got off e.z]

Very true, Brock might be a hoss, but he still is in no way going to know all the nuances and subtleties of the game.

It might not matter if Lesnar can physically-dominate Couture like I think he can. I'm just not sure Couture can beat Lesnar unless he catches him in a submission.

[ccB]

I <3 it when people count out Randy Couture.

[UKfan]

It might not matter if Lesnar can physically-dominate Couture like I think he can. I'm just not sure Couture can beat Lesnar unless he catches him in a submission.

Did you see Couture - Sylvia? Couture - Gonzaga? Randy will have a plan.

[fenikz]

Never count out Captain America, I got him via KO in the 3rd

Honestly there are a lot of questions left to be answered about Lesnar, his chin hasn't been tested yet and it may very well be made of glass, how will he handle the experience of Couture and the frustration that comes with it.

[Fck JC, He got off e.z]

I'm not counting out Couture by any means, this fight is completely up in the air. One thing we do know for sure though is that Lesnar is bigger, stronger, faster, and in better shape than Couture. That alone has to count for something especially when it will likely be a very physical, pound it out, type of fight.

[SuperKevin]

I no longer take Randy Couture seriously after seeing previews for The Scorpion King 2.

[fenikz]

Couture is very underrated athletically, he is a health freak and will most deffinitley be prepared.

Even though Lesnar has more muscle that requires more oxygen to be pumped through out his body which history has shown makes fighters more prone to gassing out in fights.

[UKfan]

http://thegarv.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/10/thumbnailcropphplp8.jpg

I love this picture. Taylor always comes to fight.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I <3 it when people count out Randy Couture.

I expect Couture's gameplan to just wear out Lesnar and go for the kill in the 3rd.

[Ravens1991]

I dont know how Randy is going to handle brocks double legs, I think Randy will have a edge in the clinch, Brock brought in Cole Konrad a great greco wrestler the size of Lesnar, so Lesnar is ready for defending takedowns in the clinch, I am not sure who Randy is bringing in to work on his wrestling against Brock, I got Lesnar winning it, but never ever count out the natural.

[ccB]

I dont know how Randy is going to handle brocks double legs, I think Randy will have a edge in the clinch, Brock brought in Cole Konrad a great greco wrestler the size of Lesnar, so Lesnar is ready for defending takedowns in the clinch, I am not sure who Randy is bringing in to work on his wrestling against Brock, I got Lesnar winning it, but never ever count out the natural.

Couture brought in Shane Carwin (who may be the UFC's only HW larger than Brock) to help prepare.

[Ravens1991]

I see, that is a great move, dealing w/ larger guys, but Carwin doesn't have the wrestling of Lesnar that may be a issue. Honestly if I was Couture I would call up Tommy Rowlands (placed 2nd in US olympic trials) he is a HWT does shots and isn't an clinch guy. But the problem is Rowlands is 230 and Lesnar is 265+, I cant think of a wrestler Lesnar size who can shoot like him, thats what makes him such a rare prospect.

[WMD]

Don't know if this has been posted yet.. but EliteXC and ProElite are both done.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/josh_gross/10/20/elitexc/?eref=sircrc

[PACKmanN]

Does anyone think Patrick has a chance vs. Silva?

[fenikz]

Don't know if this has been posted yet.. but EliteXC and ProElite are both done.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2008/writers/josh_gross/10/20/elitexc/?eref=sircrc

thank god, Elite XC was setting the sport back a year every show they put on

Does anyone think Patrick has a chance vs. Silva?

no, well i guess anyone has a shot, but simply no.

not sure why he is fighting for the title, i guess because Silva has beat everyone else

[WMD]

I would like to sign Gina Carano to my own personal contract. Damn, she's hot!

[JF4]

I foresee most of the top tier fighters in Elite XC ending up in the Affliction promotion.

[ccB]

I foresee most of the top tier fighters in Elite XC ending up in the Affliction promotion.

I hope to see Rafeal Feijao, Eddie Alvarez, Nick Diaz, Dave Herman, Paul Daley, Jake Shields and Antonio Silva in the UFC, the rest could goto Affliction.

I'd like to see the WEC take up Womens MMA and sign Carano, Cyborg and Co. I also hope the WEC gets their hands on Wilson Reis, dude is a stud.

[UKfan]

I wouldn't mind seeing KJ Noons move over as well.

[josh07039]

I think Robbie Lawler should get another shot. He's a smarter fighter now.

[UKfan]

I think Robbie Lawler should get another shot. He's a smarter fighter now.

Lawler would be a decent midcarder, and he comes to fight, but I could live without him, Leben mark II IMO.

[josh07039]

Lawler would be a decent midcarder, and he comes to fight, but I could live without him, Leben mark II IMO.
I actually think he's different than Leben. Lawler used to be more reckless and willing to ko or be koed but now he works the jab better and plays it safer. However, he still has the knockout power despite being safe. He obviously cant beat Silva, no one can, but he could be a contender. I could see him getting a title shot in a few years if they do take him back. He's only 26 so he could still improve, after all, since his time in the UFC, he has become a much smarter and more skilled fighter.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I hope to see Rafeal Feijao, Eddie Alvarez, Nick Diaz, Dave Herman, Paul Daley, Jake Shields and Antonio Silva in the UFC, the rest could goto Affliction.

I'd like to see the WEC take up Womens MMA and sign Carano, Cyborg and Co. I also hope the WEC gets their hands on Wilson Reis, dude is a stud.

No Brett Rogers? Also Pezao.

[MetSox17]

Well this didn't take long. Apparently Elite XC decided to pack it up and cut their losses.

EliteXC and ProElite have filed for bankruptcy and are on the verge of folding, according to several published reports that surfaced late Monday evening

http://msn.foxsports.com/boxing/story/8702128/Tapped-out?-EliteXC-reportedly-closing-up-shop

[Ravens1991]

I love it, Elite XC was horrible for MMA, the only fight I was looking forward 2 was Diaz VS. Alvarez

[locseti]

I love it, Elite XC was horrible for MMA, the only fight I was looking forward 2 was Diaz VS. Alvarez

What about Cyborg/Carano? That will happen elsewhere I'm sure.

[MetSox17]

So does this mean all the Elite XC signed fighters are FA's again? Sucks for Tito Ortiz who apparently was getting ready to sign a nice contract with them. Bring Orlovsky to the UFC!

[ccB]

So does this mean all the Elite XC signed fighters are FA's again? Sucks for Tito Ortiz who apparently was getting ready to sign a nice contract with them. Bring Orlovsky to the UFC!

Arlovski fights for Affliction, I wouldn't hold your breath seeing him back int he UFC anytime soon. There was a falling out between the two, Andrei is scheduled to fight Fedor in January.

[UKfan]

Arlovski is more likely to go pro in boxing than head back to MMA, he's been training with Freddie Roach.

[SuperKevin]

Arlovski is more likely to go pro in boxing than head back to MMA, he's been training with Freddie Roach.

Isn't his biggest weakness his incredibly weak chin though?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Arlovski fights for Affliction, I wouldn't hold your breath seeing him back int he UFC anytime soon. There was a falling out between the two, Andrei is scheduled to fight Fedor in January.

...And once Fedor makes him look like Zulu he'll be going to Boxing.

[UKfan]

Isn't his biggest weakness his incredibly weak chin though?

Pretty much. It has been rumoured he will go pro boxing though, there's a video interview here.

Arlovski interview (http://mmamania.com/2008/07/17/andrei-arlovski-how-taste-my-pee-pee-tim-sylvia-video/)

[Ravens1991]

How does this AA having a chin weakness come up, I dont know of anything that says he has a weak chin.

I doubt he gets Zulu, w/ working with Roach I think AA will be able to stop Fedor overhand right, making the fight a feeling out process then Fedor gets a takedown and wins from there.

[MetSox17]

I thought i saw Arlovski get clocked a few times pretty well in that fight against "big country". Seemed to hold up pretty well

[ccB]

AA was labeled with a weak chin day one into his UFC career. It was his only weakness, and after getting stopped by TKO and KO to Ricco and Rizzo in his first two UFC fights helped reinforce it. After those fights he went on an insane run and people were labeling him the guy who will be Fedor. After Tim Sylvia knocked him silly during their second fight the glass jaw label resurfaced.

I think the boring label has overcome the glass jaw as AA's true downfall. I personally do not feel he is a boring fighter when you look at his career as a whole, but there was a span there where he put on some god awful performances, taking it to the decision with guys he shouldn't have. It was his 3rd fight with Sylvia that really drove the nail into the coffin. AA was not the same AA he had been in the past. Recently he has been putting guys away in exciting fashion but his fight with Nelson still rubs me the wrong way. That fight should never have been stood up with Nelson sinking in a kimura. I really think Nelson was on his way to upsetting AA before the ref intervened.

[Ravens1991]

yes, he does have all the talent in the world, In the 2nd Sylvia fight he got caught coming in because he felt he could KO Sylvia. But in boxing it will be totally different when you don't need to defend kicks and so on, plus w/ Roach his defense will be top notch. When he fights Fedor I doubt he gets KO' standing, I got Fedor via GnP TKO or submission.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

AA was labeled with a weak chin day one into his UFC career. It was his only weakness, and after getting stopped by TKO and KO to Ricco and Rizzo in his first two UFC fights helped reinforce it. After those fights he went on an insane run and people were labeling him the guy who will be Fedor. After Tim Sylvia knocked him silly during their second fight the glass jaw label resurfaced.

I think the boring label has overcome the glass jaw as AA's true downfall. I personally do not feel he is a boring fighter when you look at his career as a whole, but there was a span there where he put on some god awful performances, taking it to the decision with guys he shouldn't have. It was his 3rd fight with Sylvia that really drove the nail into the coffin. AA was not the same AA he had been in the past. Recently he has been putting guys away in exciting fashion but his fight with Nelson still rubs me the wrong way. That fight should never have been stood up with Nelson sinking in a kimura. I really think Nelson was on his way to upsetting AA before the ref intervened.

I wouldn't say Boring, I'd say he's more of a methodical striker. All anyone needs to do to beat him is to get one good takedown on him.

[ccB]

I wouldn't say Boring, I'd say he's more of a methodical striker. All anyone needs to do to beat him is to get one good takedown on him.

I said when I look at his career as a whole i do not see him as a boring fighter, but I can see where people are coming from, his fight v Sylvia and Werdum were extermely dull. It looked like AA was fighting to not lose or not get KOed instead of fighting to win. There was a large contrast between the way he used to fight and how he was fighting in his last few fights in the UFC.

[Ravens1991]

who AA? His ground game isn't that bad, plus he has good TD defense, he was boring some points, but some times w/ his talent he was amazing.

[ccB]

who AA? His ground game isn't that bad, plus he has good TD defense, he was boring some points, but some times w/ his talent he was amazing.

Yeah and the amazing was happening more so in the beginning to mid portion of his career as opposed to the most recent portion. MMA is a what have you done for me lately sport. It is very easy to fall off and lose momentum.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

MMA is a what have you done for me lately sport. It is very easy to fall off and lose momentum.

Related: What the hell happened to Brandon Vera? He looks like he's fighting with the chin of an 8 year old girl.

[Ravens1991]

I am with you. Anyone else super pumped for UFC 92? I cant wait.


Griffin VS. Evans
Nog VS. Mir
Wand VS. Rampage

can you say card of the year!!!!!

my predictions

Griffin VS. Evans- Griffin unanimous decision or late TKO, Evans never really showed me championship skill except for that overhand right on Chuck, I doubt he takes Griffin down Griffin TD defense is top notch. Griffin is a enourmous LHW and Griffin is a small one, I have Griffin picking him apart and winning his 1st title defense.

Nog VS. Mir- I got Nog via TKO or submission. I think Nog keeps it standing until Mir gasses then he can get a KO or takedown and finish him there. Mir is basically the Travis Lutter of HWT, decent takedowns, can't strike for their life, and amazing BJJ, but bad heart/conditioning.

Wand VS. Rampage- The best for last, the trash talking is going on already. I wish this was a no time limit fight ala Gracie VS. Sakuraba, I could see Rampage winning a LnP decision, but I want to see them standing up and brawling it out. All I can say is WAR WAND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I love this card, I love both Wand Griffin and Nog, they are great role models if you want to look at people w/ heart and determination.

[UKfan]

Yeah and the amazing was happening more so in the beginning to mid portion of his career as opposed to the most recent portion. MMA is a what have you done for me lately sport. It is very easy to fall off and lose momentum.

With Arlovski I have always felt it is mental as much as physical, think back to some of his early fights, and he looked poor against lesser opposition, I think motivation is a factor.

[ccB]

I am excited about UFC 92 great card that basically has 3 main events. I am more excited about GSP v Penn in January for obvious reasons :)

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I am excited about UFC 92 great card that basically has 3 main events. I am more excited about GSP v Penn in January for obvious reasons :)

Either Cohuture/ARN or Lesnar/ARN sound really good too. And you consider that Velasquez and Carwin should both have breakout years, and Affliction possibly folding and giving Fedor no choice but to go to UFC(In my dreams), next year should be a big year for HW.

[ccB]

With Arlovski I have always felt it is mental as much as physical, think back to some of his early fights, and he looked poor against lesser opposition, I think motivation is a factor.
Yeah, sometimes you see the fiercness in his eyes, other times you see a "meh" look in them.

Talking about Vera, the fight v Andy was poor because he was dehydrated and gassed almost instantly due to his first cut to 205. Against Jardine I think he was thinking about not losing more than winning. I read an article somewhere (can't remember off the top) where they were talking about pre contract Brandon Vera and post contract Brandon Vera that made a lot of sense. Before he was making a huge pay day he was out to make a name for himself and fought balls to the walls, so that he could some day get the 6 figure a fight contract. Now that he has the 6 figure contract he no longer has anything to prove from a monetary stance, so he is no longer taking the risks and being as aggressive as he was before the contract. Theres actually a lot of similarities between Arlovski and Vera.