MMA Discussion Thread - SPOILERS!

[ccB]

for the record, I dont think there is any way it was due to them leaving UFC.....wouldnt seem likely

Yeah, I didn't think it had anything to do with them leaving, was kinda hoping for some kind of Collaboration between the two organizations, would help the UFC get its feet wet for putting on events in Asia.

It was also cool seeing Satoshi Ishi come out with a UFC shirt on, I really hope he can transition from Judo to MMA, he's a beast physically, very powerful, I hope he continues to train with Randy Couture.

[Rob S]

Yeah, I didn't think it had anything to do with them leaving, was kinda hoping for some kind of Collaboration between the two organizations, would help the UFC get its feet wet for putting on events in Asia.

It was also cool seeing Satoshi Ishi come out with a UFC shirt on, I really hope he can transition from Judo to MMA, he's a beast physically, very powerful, I hope he continues to train with Randy Couture.

He is a talent no doubt, however, he seems too brash for my liking. Calling out Fedor without any MMA experience at the very least a stupid move, and more likely one of pure ignorance or just plain old cockiness and arrogance. Hopefully, by going to the UFC and ATT he will be humbled a little bit and maybe he will be able to fully realize his potential.

[ccB]

He is a talent no doubt, however, he seems too brash for my liking. Calling out Fedor without any MMA experience at the very least a stupid move, and more likely one of pure ignorance or just plain old cockiness and arrogance. Hopefully, by going to the UFC and ATT he will be humbled a little bit and maybe he will be able to fully realize his potential.

Yeah I never saw that he called out Fedor, that would be ridiculous on his part hopefully it was a rough translation, maybe he said something along the lines of, "I'd love to one day fight Fedor," and that got translated to "I WANT FEDOR!!!" either way he is nowhere near ready for that fight. Plus Dana said if he fights in the UFC it would be at LHW so he better prepare to cut some weight because I think he's in the 235-245 range, and his body looks soft so I am sure he could cut a lot of that and still be super powerful. Randy Couture was raving about his strength.

[ccB]

Ben Saunders v Dustin Hazellett has recently been announced and this is a fight that both excites me and saddens me. It excites me because they are two of my favorite WW's and favorite fighters in general, both with exciting yet diverse skill sets, should be a war, one in which I don't see making it to a decision and obviously it saddens me because one of them will lose and lose their momentum as well, oh well thats MMA. Should be a great fight.

[Rob S]

Ben Saunders v Dustin Hazellett has recently been announced and this is a fight that both excites me and saddens me. It excites me because they are two of my favorite WW's and favorite fighters in general, both with exciting yet diverse skill sets, should be a war, one in which I don't see making it to a decision and obviously it saddens me because one of them will lose and lose their momentum as well, oh well thats MMA. Should be a great fight.

Yeah thats a pretty sweet fight......personally I love Hazelett so I will be pulling for him, nothing against Saunders tho. McLovin just has such fun subs to watch imo.

[UKfan]

How the hell did this drop so far???

Anyway, UFC time here, as weird as it sounds, I am massively excited for...

Rousimar Palhares! I hope this guy goes out there and ******* dominates.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

How the hell did this drop so far???

Anyway, UFC time here, as weird as it sounds, I am massively excited for...

Rousimar Palhares! I hope this guy goes out there and ******* dominates.

War Hendo!!

[UKfan]

Davis vs Lytle time, man I hope it is a slugfest! I won't post any results as I don't know what's going on with you guys being able to watch it...

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Davis vs Lytle time, man I hope it is a slugfest! I won't post any results as I don't know what's going on with you guys being able to watch it...

I'm watching it, I have a feeling we'll be disappointed. :(

[UKfan]

Is it on tv there or are you acquiring said video footage through other means...

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Is it on tv there or are you acquiring said video footage through other means...

Other means. :P

[comahan]

There is a reason there is a bigass NO SPOILERS tag in the title of this thread. If it airs one place before it airs in another, dont give away the bloody results.

You just totally ruined the main event for at least 2 people in irc. Awesome.

[soybean]

seriously, edit your post dude. [tampa]

[ccB]

There is a reason there is a bigass NO SPOILERS tag in the title of this thread. If it airs one place before it airs in another, dont give away the bloody results.

You just totally ruined the main event for at least 2 people in irc. Awesome.


One of them being me :(

Anytime the UFC is in Europe or any other non-North American country for that matter do NOT talk about the results until after the American broadcast. This goes for Japanese events too ONLY when the event has an airdate in America, if it's only broadcasted in Japan then feel free to talk about it whenever.

[UKfan]

Yeah that's why I asked T24L how he was watching it, obviously if not live on TV no point in me talking about it yet.

[josh07039]

Anyone know of anywhere online that is showing the Affliction event tonight? The site I ordinarily use doesn't have it listed.

[SuperKevin]

Jens Pulver was on the local radio station in San Diego hyping his Sunday fight against Urijah Faber. Seemed like a cool dude. Still has to cut 8 lbs before the fight

[MaxV]

I'm looking forward to Fedor vs. AA fight. I love Andrei, but I hope Fedor wins it.

There are so many people that would like to see Fedor fail that he needs to stay perfect to maintain his status.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Jens Pulver was on the local radio station in San Diego hyping his Sunday fight against Urijah Faber. Seemed like a cool dude. Still has to cut 8 lbs before the fight

I expect him not to last the first round Faber is out for the kill to prove his last match was an aberration. And Jens isn't exactly coming off crisps fights lol.

[TheBuffaloBills]

How are you guys going to watch the PPV tonight. Anyone have/ or know of a good live feed?

[PACKmanN]

How are you guys going to watch the PPV tonight. Anyone have/ or know of a good live feed?

justin.tv is the one I use.

[locseti]

Wow I thought Lindland would take out Belfort, but he got caught with a huge left hand and then 3 more unnecessary punches. The ref should be fired. Anyone find a good stream, justintv sucks.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Wow I thought Lindland would take out Belfort, but he got caught with a huge left hand and then 3 more unnecessary punches. The ref should be fired. Anyone find a good stream, justintv sucks.

I went to get a soda and when I came back Lindland was dead.

[locseti]

I went to get a soda and when I came back Lindland was dead.

The neck brace was a little much, he needed like a face brace.

[locseti]

Let's go Barnett send this low-blower back to Holland!

[locseti]

WHAT A ROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yvel is one tough S.O.B.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

WHAT A ROUND!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yvel is one tough S.O.B.

His ground D is impressive. Nothing landing clean.

[locseti]

Now in the third and he's mounted him every round. it's kinda weak that Barnett can't finish it from the mount.

EDIT: Yvel finally tapped out due to strikes from the mount in the waning moments of the third.

[PACKmanN]

9TH ROUND????? when did this happen?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Come on fedor...

[locseti]

Fedor is gonna send the Pitbull back to the pound.

[locseti]

Arlovski thinks his beard is gonna absorb some of the impact from Fedor's fists. Wishful thinking.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Jumping into a fedor punch usually fails.

[locseti]

Too bad Arlovski can't train to improve his glassjaw.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Damnit Arlovski was looking so good. What an idiot move going for the flying knee in that situation against Fedor. Disappointing. His striking was so crisp tonight and Fedor had trouble with his striking speed.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Too bad Arlovski can't train to improve his glassjaw.

Are you kidding me? Anyone going into that punch like that ends up KO'd.

[fenikz]

Are you kidding me? Anyone going into that punch like that ends up KO'd.

Yah, you simply can not jump towards Fedor, get stuck square and expect to be standing

[TheBuffaloBills]

Somebody please make me an Avatar of that. I call it!

[locseti]

You could see after that front kick fedor was knocked back into the corner and arlovski thought he was going to try to defend himself but Fedor was simply reloading. Seriously though, Arlovski chin is so weak, that punch was right on the jaw, but it didn't hit completely flush and snap his head around like most unconcious-causing punches. Why can't Tito pronounce Fedor's name correctly?

[TheBuffaloBills]

You could see after that front kick fedor was knocked back into the corner and arlovski thought he was going to try to defend himself but Fedor was simply reloading. Seriously though, Arlovski chin is so weak, that punch was right on the jaw, but it didn't hit completely flush and snap his head around like most unconcious-causing punches. Why can't Tito pronounce Fedor's name correctly?

Haha yeah. Why doesnt anyone tell him its pronounced, Faydoor, not Feodor.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

You could see after that front kick fedor was knocked back into the corner and arlovski thought he was going to try to defend himself but Fedor was simply reloading. Seriously though, Arlovski chin is so weak, that punch was right on the jaw, but it didn't hit completely flush and snap his head around like most unconcious-causing punches. Why can't Tito pronounce Fedor's name correctly?

Dude, ALL OF HIS MOMENTUM WAS GOING TOWARD HIM, and fedor hit him in the chin with that looping right of his.

I think Arlovski really had him in trouble with that pushkick.

[TheBuffaloBills]

Scott Ferall's voice is terrible. Get him off. He somehow sounds like a smoker of 75 years on with helium lungs. His voice is unimpersonateable.

[locseti]

Dude, ALL OF HIS MOMENTUM WAS GOING TOWARD HIM, and fedor hit him in the chin with that looping right of his.

I think Arlovski really had him in trouble with that pushkick.

Ya I may not have been completely compensating for Andrei's momentum. Did he really think that he could tag Fedor with a wild move like that? He should have known that if he was going to have a chance at winning it he had to fight a flawless, purely technical boxing match. There should have been no room for a flying knee in his game plan. Arlovski still has a weak chin though.

[bwillie26]

That KO may have been one of the funniest things I have seen in an MMA match. Getting KO'd in mid air during a flying knee is funny enough, but landing on your face as you fall is nothing short of hilarious!

[vatech=accdomination]

Wow I thought Lindland would take out Belfort, but he got caught with a huge left hand and then 3 more unnecessary punches. The ref should be fired. Anyone find a good stream, justintv sucks.

jtv was the best i could find, i watched the first fight in blue, idk why whoever was broadcasting had a blue tint though, tito ortiz looked like a big headed smurf

[fenikz]

Scott Ferall's voice is terrible. Get him off. He somehow sounds like a smoker of 75 years on with helium lungs. His voice is unimpersonateable.

He sounds like Steve-O

[MaxV]

I'm still pumped from Fedor fight.

BTW, no one really pronounces his name correctly.

It's really "Fyo-dor".

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I'm still pumped from Fedor fight.

BTW, no one really pronounces his name correctly.

It's really "Fyo-dor".

Tito did. Although he was alternating all night long,lol. Faydor. Feedor. Fyodor. Fiyahdor. Fidor.

[MaxV]

Yeah, the guy's first name has only 2 syllables, yet there seem to be a million different pronunciations of it. In Russian it's pronounced "Fyodor."

P.S.: I want to talk about the fight, but I'm afraid that someone hasn't seen it yet.

[UKfan]

I have if you referring to me thanks Max, internet ftw!

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Gosh I love the card next week. We all know GSP Penn part dos and Lyota vs Silva, but also can't wait for Clay Guida and Nate Diaz. Also Karo and Kim is going to be an interesting matchup. Not a big fan of the Bonnar fight and would rather see Jon Fitch on the main card.

[soybean]

although it was relatively easy work for him, fedor looked a little sluggish this time around. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see an upset in the near future.

[UKfan]

IDK, me and CCB were talking a while back and felt the AA's striking was probably the biggest matchup problem to Fedor. Weirdly enough if Buentello had a semi decent ground game I think he would give Fedor a fight. I'd like to see Overeem vs Fedor as well.

[ccB]

although it was relatively easy work for him, fedor looked a little sluggish this time around. I wouldn't at all be surprised to see an upset in the near future.

How was that easy work? AA was winning the round, Fedor didn't have an answer for AA's striking, and was pretty much exposed in that aspect of the game. This fight was probably the first time Fedor looked, for lack of better word, confused in the ring. I give credit where credit is due though, if you get reckless in there against Fedor he will capitalize on it and put you away.

[ccB]

Double Post

[ccB]

Gosh I love the card next week. We all know GSP Penn part dos and Lyota vs Silva, but also can't wait for Clay Guida and Nate Diaz. Also Karo and Kim is going to be an interesting matchup. Not a big fan of the Bonnar fight and would rather see Jon Fitch on the main card.

Yeah great card no doubt, it is loaded with my a host of my personal favorite fighters, (Penn, Machida, Dong Hyun Kim, Jon Jones, Nate Diaz, Thiago Silva)

Reasons Fitch is on the undercard:

1. He is in the UFC doghouse.
2. He is not the most exciting fighter.
3. Though he is highly ranked, he is not really a household name or a draw.
4. Stephan Bonnar is more known to the casual fan.
5. Jon Jones is very young, very exciting, and very marketable.
6. Bonnar v Jones will likely play out as a stand-up war
7. Fitch v Gono will likely be played out on the ground
8. Jon Jones provides the chance for the most exciting move in MMA, THE SPINNING BACK ELBOW!

I've been waiting to see Jones back in the octagon since his UFC Debut, kid has super potential.

[MaxV]

Personally, I think Fedor would've won the fight anyway, even if that KO didn't happen. He would've adjusted, as he has so many times before.

I find it hard to believe that this fight would've lasted 5 rounds without Fedor finding a way to win it.

And I don't think AA would've KOed him.

[josh07039]

Personally, I think Fedor would've won the fight anyway, even if that KO didn't happen. He would've adjusted, as he has so many times before.

I find it hard to believe that this fight would've lasted 5 rounds without Fedor finding a way to win it.

And I don't think AA would've KOed him.
I think your right considering how smart Fedor is. However, Fedor really did look out of sorts because of AA's reach and his crisp stand up that really exhibited some great quickness. I imagine Fedor would have ultimately landed something or taken it to the ground, but we will never know. There are two trains of thought regarding the flying knee. One is that you can't pull something like that against one of the best fighters in the world. However, you could also argue that against a guy like Fedor, you have to take risks to beat him. In this case, I am more a proponent of the first thought process. He was winning the round and shouldve tried to continue making Fedor uncomfortable and on his feet. With some uppercuts, knees, kicks, his length would've caused problems for Fedor shooting in.

[ccB]

Personally, I think Fedor would've won the fight anyway, even if that KO didn't happen. He would've adjusted, as he has so many times before.

I find it hard to believe that this fight would've lasted 5 rounds without Fedor finding a way to win it.

And I don't think AA would've KOed him.
You are entitled to your opinion. I am just going from what I actually witnessed not some scenario from my head. AA was on his way to winning the first and clearly had the advantage striking. I am glad you know what Fedor would have done, and how he would of adjusted though, can I borrrow your crystal ball sometime?

Anyone watching WEC my boy Jose Aldo is making his mark on the 145 division, I've been hyping Aldo for quite some time now, glad to see him backing up my praises.

[MaxV]

You are entitled to your opinion. I am just going from what I actually witnessed not some scenario from my head. AA was on his way to winning the first and clearly had the advantage striking. I am glad you know what Fedor would have done, and how he would of adjusted though, can I borrrow your crystal ball sometime?

Anyone watching WEC my boy Jose Aldo is making his mark on the 145 division, I've been hyping Aldo for quite some time now, glad to see him backing up my praises.

Well, I didn't say that I was sure. There is no question that AA was winning the round prior to the KO. But judging by his previous fights, Fedor does a great job of adjusting. We'll never know.

AA did prove enough to make a potential rematch.

But I would think that Josh Barnett is the next in line.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Pulver needs to retire or put in some serious work in a training camp. I almost fought he was going to retire right then and there.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Yup Arlovski definitely flustered Fedor with his striking speed and Fedor couldn't match, it wasn't Manny Pac Del La Hoya overwhelming, but it was pretty noticeable. I obviously can't project if he would have held it up or what would have happened if they went to the ground but I do know Arlovski got too confident and thought he could knock out Fedor quick. He wanted to be a legend but forget to fight smart.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Well Faber won early as I expected. He was a little all over the place at first obviously trying too hard to end it early but Pulver had no shot.

[josh07039]

Well Faber won early as I expected. He was a little all over the place at first obviously trying too hard to end it early but Pulver had no shot.
I couldn't get it to work online, what was the deal with pulver? Was he simply outclassed or was he out of shape or did he just look old?

[ccB]

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Dana White Vlog. I personally love these when they give you a look backstage, when Dana makes them all about himself I do not like them quite as much. This one is very interesting, nice cameo from Kid Yamamoto, I really hope he ends up with the WEC, he could potentially challenge for both the 135 and 145 belts. One of my all time favorite fighters and cannot wait to see him back in action.

[ccB]

Carlos Condit is being transferred from WEC to UFC.

http://fiveouncesofpain.com/2009/01/27/carlos-condit-expected-to-move-to-ufcs-welterweight-division-could-debut-vs-kampmann-at-ufn-18/

I am curious to see how Condit adapts, going from being a big fish in a small pond to being a tiny fish in the ocean that is the UFC's WW division. Don't get me wrong I think Condit is a top 10 WW but I don't expect him to make the same amount of noise in the UFC. To me he is on the same level as a Dustin Hazelett, in fact I would love to see him fight Hazelett that would be entertaining as hell.

[Ravens1991]

170 is stacked. I love that division.


Is anyone else super pumped for Guida Diaz? I think that can be a FOTY candidate I am so excited for it,.

[ccB]

170 is stacked. I love that division.


Is anyone else super pumped for Guida Diaz? I think that can be a FOTY candidate I am so excited for it,.

I am excited because I love the Diaz bros and Guida is always a game opponent but I have a hard time picturing anway Guida can beat Diaz. Obviously he's going to come in wanting to push the pace and go for the takedown, but does he really want to play with Diaz's jits? Diaz is on a whole different level as a grappler. I just do not see a place where Guida has the advantage past wrestling and sheer aggressiveness. But even if he pushes the pace he wont gas Diaz, I think Diaz will win via submission.

[Ravens1991]

I agree with that. I see Guida winning the fight then Diaz gets a come from behind submission. My only fear is it becomes a crappy kick boxing battle because Guida doesn't want to get submitted and Diaz can't take Guida down.

Also of course another great thing about saturday is it has the fight of the generation. I got GSP but it will be amazing either way.

[ccB]

I agree with that. I see Guida winning the fight then Diaz gets a come from behind submission. My only fear is it becomes a crappy kick boxing battle because Guida doesn't want to get submitted and Diaz can't take Guida down.

Also of course another great thing about saturday is it has the fight of the generation. I got GSP but it will be amazing either way.

Yeah Diaz is a notorious slow starter so I could see that scenario playing out. Maybe I am underrating Guida's stand up but I'd still take Diaz assuming the fight turns into a stand up war. Though Diaz doesn't have great wrestling I've always been impressed with his Judo throws and trips, i think he could definitely use those to get Guida to the mat. Guida definitely has the better wrestlers-base though.

[ccB]

http://mmamania.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/faberkidyamamotto.jpg

Please Dana, make it happen....

[Tampa 2 4 life]

http://mmamania.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/faberkidyamamotto.jpg

Please Dana, make it happen....

Japan's FW division is closer to Bantamweight, isn't it?

[Ravens1991]

I believe it is like 143ish but IDK for certain. Either way Kid can make 135 or 145 and I would love to see him fight Torres and Faber.

[fenikz]

http://mmamania.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/faberkidyamamotto.jpg

Please Dana, make it happen....

UFC 100, get it done

[MaxV]

For those interested, here's the Biography of Fedor Emelianenko on youtube:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sYshc7SQ9M&feature=related Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=acRAvtqJXZE&feature=related Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFnPf1o0LoQ Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qa2MOwvJRqM&feature=related Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nf8xkkI7sZM&feature=related Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFrNj6LBgx0&feature=related Part 6

[Ravens1991]

UFC 100, get it done

I was thinking UFC 100 could be something like this... (probably won't happen but I can dream)


BJ VS. Thiago Silva
Mir VS. Lesnar
Faber VS. Kid
Cain V VS. Carwin
The Spider VS. Rashad Evans or GSP



it won't happen but hey you can dream.

[bwillie26]

I was thinking UFC 100 could be something like this... (probably won't happen but I can dream)


BJ VS. Thiago Silva
Mir VS. Lesnar
Faber VS. Kid
Cain V VS. Carwin
The Spider VS. Rashad Evans or GSP



it won't happen but hey you can dream.

You want BJ to try to fight a 205'er again? BJ went stupid and tried it against Machida and more than held his own, but I doubt he tries it again.

Mir vs Lesnar is set for UFC 98.

I'd love to see Anderson Silva fighting on UFC 100, but a month and a half layoff would before he fought either of those guys would be a mighty tall task. Maybe if Silva disposes of Leites early, but I doubt it happens. UFC would want to hype the absolute heck out of a GSP vs Anderson match.

More likely to see GSP vs Alves finally happen, granted GSP wins. If not, then likely will see BJ vs Florian.

I'd also like to see Wandy come back and fight someone like Forrest Griffin. We know exactly what we would get in that match and the fans would love it.

I'd also just love to see a match that pays respect to some of the originals of the sport. Maybe if the UFC swallows it and gets Ken to come back and talk Royce into one more match. True fans would appreciate the UFC giving that type of respect to the guys who made this sport. I know I would at least. Longshot to happen, but ah well.

[Ravens1991]

yes I meant Thiago Alves. That would be a good match up and I see Thiago winning that.

[Butch Peefington]

Where in the Fedor bio does it say hes a cyborg sent from the future?

Anyway, here are my UFC 94 predictions with a short summary. I've got all of the main card fights and I included one of the better undercard fights ive seen UFC put together.


Penn vs St Pierre - Penn 3rd rd TKO ; Penn is a tough tough match for GSP. A lot of MMA fans think he got screwed in his split decision loss to GSP a few years ago. Penn has never been KO'd. He has the best takedown defense and balance of any fighter in the world & is a top notch BJJ black belt. GSP has a bit of a suspect jaw, Penn will catch him eventually. Only way I see GSP winning is by decision or with Penn really gassing in the later rounds and giving up a takedown & letting some GnP stop him.

Thiago Silva vs Lyoto Machida - Machida 3rd rd TKO. Silva is an excellent muay thai striker but will probably get very frustrated as hell by Machida's defensive style. Machida scoring a late KO against an undefeated kid who gets over aggressive trying to avoid his first loss ever.

Stephan Bonnar vs Jon Jones - Jones by UD. Jones is an up and coming UFC prospect with a lot of potential. I see this fight being a stand up war with both content to stand and trade. Bonnar has a big experience edge but Ive got a feeling about Jones.

Karo Parisyan vs Don Hyun Kim - Karo by UD. Parisyan has some of the best takedowns in the UFC. I think hell be more capable of getting and holding top position on Kim. Kim is a good wrestler/judo player so I think hell be tough to finish. But if there is anyone in MMA with better applied judo than Karo I havent seen him.

Nate Diaz vs. Clay Guida - Diaz by 2nd rd sub (triangle). Diaz has some really slick subs and is a wiz off his back. Guida's game is wrestling and ground n pound. He will be able to take Diaz down but I see him getting caught as Diaz has the superior BJJ skills.

John Fitch vs. Akihiro Gono - Fitch by UD. Fitch is a real tough guy and an excellent wrestler. Gono is as experienced as they come and is very well rounded, but doesnt stand out in any one area. Fitch's wrestling will be enough to control the fight with takedowns and win the judges decision. Gono is an extremely tough guy to finish and Fitch isnt all that great at finishing.


Also a RIP to the father of BJJ Helio Gracie who just died at the age of 95.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/Kraqah/graciefuneral.jpg

[ccB]

Welcome Beef! Always nice to add a guy with an informed opinion to the MMA discussion. Glad to see some respect shown to not only the father of BJJ but the father of Vale Tudo Helio Gracie, RIP.

[Butch Peefington]

Welcome Beef! Always nice to add a guy with an informed opinion to the MMA discussion. Glad to see some respect shown to not only the father of BJJ but the father of Vale Tudo Helio Gracie, RIP.

Thats The Peefs to you CCB :cool:

[ccB]

Thats The Peefs to you CCB :cool:

Hahaha just realized I combined the first name with the last.

[Ravens1991]

I am calling Nerv is back, am I right?

[slightlyaraiderfan]

I am calling Nerv is back, am I right?
No, he swore off the boards and is never coming back. Too much drama for him...

[Butch Peefington]

No, he swore off the boards and is never coming back. Too much drama for him...

I heard one day he got really bored.

[BRAVEHEART]

Where in the Fedor bio does it say hes a cyborg sent from the future?

Anyway, here are my UFC 94 predictions with a short summary. I've got all of the main card fights and I included one of the better undercard fights ive seen UFC put together.


Penn vs St Pierre - Penn 3rd rd TKO ; Penn is a tough tough match for GSP. A lot of MMA fans think he got screwed in his split decision loss to GSP a few years ago. Penn has never been KO'd. He has the best takedown defense and balance of any fighter in the world & is a top notch BJJ black belt. GSP has a bit of a suspect jaw, Penn will catch him eventually. Only way I see GSP winning is by decision or with Penn really gassing in the later rounds and giving up a takedown & letting some GnP stop him.

Thiago Silva vs Lyoto Machida - Machida 3rd rd TKO. Silva is an excellent muay thai striker but will probably get very frustrated as hell by Machida's defensive style. Machida scoring a late KO against an undefeated kid who gets over aggressive trying to avoid his first loss ever.

Stephan Bonnar vs Jon Jones - Jones by UD. Jones is an up and coming UFC prospect with a lot of potential. I see this fight being a stand up war with both content to stand and trade. Bonnar has a big experience edge but Ive got a feeling about Jones.

Karo Parisyan vs Don Hyun Kim - Karo by UD. Parisyan has some of the best takedowns in the UFC. I think hell be more capable of getting and holding top position on Kim. Kim is a good wrestler/judo player so I think hell be tough to finish. But if there is anyone in MMA with better applied judo than Karo I havent seen him.

Nate Diaz vs. Clay Guida - Diaz by 2nd rd sub (triangle). Diaz has some really slick subs and is a wiz off his back. Guida's game is wrestling and ground n pound. He will be able to take Diaz down but I see him getting caught as Diaz has the superior BJJ skills.

John Fitch vs. Akihiro Gono - Fitch by UD. Fitch is a real tough guy and an excellent wrestler. Gono is as experienced as they come and is very well rounded, but doesnt stand out in any one area. Fitch's wrestling will be enough to control the fight with takedowns and win the judges decision. Gono is an extremely tough guy to finish and Fitch isnt all that great at finishing.


Also a RIP to the father of BJJ Helio Gracie who just died at the age of 95.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v655/Kraqah/graciefuneral.jpg

I agree with everything except I beleive Thiago and Georges will pull upsets.

[PACKmanN]

Ok so I am a betting man, been winning a lot of these fights. There are some that I am sure you guys got a lot of info.

Here is who I think will win their fights;

Georges St Pierre
Thiago Silva
Karo Parisyan
Nate Diaz
Stephan Bonnar
Jon Fitch
Christian Wellisch
Thiago Tavares
John Howard
Matt Arroyo

thoughts?

[ccB]

GSP (still wavering)
Machida
Kim
Diaz
Jones
Fitch
Wellisch
Wilson
Arroyo

for me...

[Butch Peefington]

Haha that main event is just too close for ya. I think you just really don't want to pick BJ because if he loses it would be twice as ridiculous for you. You know GSP has to go the full 5 for that one.

[D-Unit]

BJ will win.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Penn
Lyoto(There is no concievable way I see Thiago winning that fight)
Karo
Bonnar
Guida
Fitch
Gamburyan
Wilson
O'Brian
Arroyo

[UKfan]

GSP
Machida
Jones
Kim
Guida
Fitch
Gamburyan
Wilson
Wellisch
Arroyo

I can't decide on the Arroyo fight, so I am just going with my gut, and I think Guida pulls the upset on Diaz.

[LetsGoGiants!]

I'm from Canada so I like GSP alot but ever since I started watching UFC Penn's been my favourite, so its tough to know that ones going to loose.

[D-Unit]

I'm from Canada so I like GSP alot but ever since I started watching UFC Penn's been my favourite, so its tough to know that ones going to loose.
Yeah, I'm kind of similar... GSP is my second favorite fighter. Very honorable guy.

[ccB]

Haha that main event is just too close for ya. I think you just really don't want to pick BJ because if he loses it would be twice as ridiculous for you. You know GSP has to go the full 5 for that one.

Skillsets alone and I pick Penn with confidence. It's just kind of hard since we haven't seen Penn at 170 in a long time and don't know how it will work out this time around. The dude is my favorite fighter and I think he has the most advanced skillset in MMA, rock solid chin, probably the best boxing in MMA, probably the best jiu jitsu utilized in MMA, insane balance that makes him crazy hard/impossible to take down, and that fighters mentality that cannot be taught. GSP on the other hand comes up short in all those categories having the edge only in wrestling and conditioning. But the one thing that has be thinking GSP is the gas tank, I know for a fact GSP can go 5 rounds without gassing, I don't know the same about BJ. That is the one sticking point with me. So it comes down to can BJ shut GSP down for the first 3 rounds? Yes I think he can, BUT does he finally get taken down in those later rounds giving up dominant position and risking having the ref stop the fight?

I will pop back in later with my final prediction, I am going to think about it over coffee.


CCB's GF says: " Stop being a *****! BJ Penn by Hawaiian style beat down round 2"

I wish I could be as bold as her.

[fenikz]

Penn v GSP - 2nd Round TKO
Machida v Silva - UD
Bonner v Jones - 1st Round TKO
Karo v Kim - UD
Diaz v Guida - 3rd Round Sub(Triangle Choke)

Fitch v Gono - UD
Tavares v Gamburyan - 1st Round Sub(Kimora)

[UKfan]

OK, UKfan's bold prediction, GSP wins by KO in round 2.

[ccB]

Final Predictions:

Georges St. Pierre v BJ Penn:

I have decided that regardless of what my brain says, I will ride with BJ Penn. The deciding factor in my decision was the fact that BJ really has nothing to lose. At the end of the day win lose or draw he will still be lightweight champion of the world. On the other hand GSP has EVERYTHING to lose. Now some would say, "wouldn't that make him more focused on winning?" maybe for some but GSP has shown over time that pressure is not his friend and he is susceptible to breaking mentally, he is a mental midget for lack of better term.

PREDICTION: BJ Penn via 3rd round submission RNC

Lyoto Machida v Thiago Silva:

I really don't envision away Thiago wins, only thing he could do is hope and pray to knock Machida out but I doubt Machida lets him close enough to do any damage let alone KO him. I think after a round of swining and missing Thiago will gas and Machida will out point him to a decision.

PREDICTION: Lyoto Machida via UD

Karo Parysian v Dong Hyun Kim

Both are top level judo players who will probably nullify each other in that facet of the game. I am a huge fan of Kim even with his less than stellar performance against Matt Brown, I think he overcomes Karo with explosive striking and takes advantage of Karo's issues. Karo almost pulled out of this fight the same way he did with his last fight because of issues with panic attacks. Karo is a certifiable nut job and I dont feel confident picking him when he has other mental issues on top of being bat **** crazy in general.

PREDICTION: Dong Hyun Kim via UD

Stephan Bonnar v Jon Jones

Without looking at lines this is my upset special. Jones is an explosive athlete who pairs great wrestling with creative and unpredictable strikes (SPINNING BACK ELBOW!) Bonnar is the larger fighter and has experience on his side but the guy hasn't fought since 2007, you gotta expect some ring rust after a layoff that long.

Prediction: Jones via split decision (STAND UP WAR)

Nick Diaz v Clay Guida:

I've already went into this fight pretty indepth in this thread. Though Guida is relentless with his pace, I think Diaz has the tools both standing and on the ground to finish this one.

Prediction: Nate Diaz via Submission round 3 (Triangle)

[D-Unit]

BJ Penn will win because he listens to Braddah IZ.

876MtdZJ-Lo

[D-Unit]

The spirit of Braddah IZ will empower BJ today.

http://www.wired.com/news/images/full/shoulder_f.jpg

p6JG9lzdGN0

[Butch Peefington]

The ukulele is awesome

[Ravens1991]

god this is coming so slow!!!!!!

my predictions...

Georges St-Pierre

Lyoto Machida
Karo Parisyan
Nate Diaz
Stephan Bonnar

Jon Fitch
Manvel Gamburyan
Chris Wilson
Jake O’Brien
Matt Arroyo

[Butch Peefington]

Ya im fraking excited for this card can't wait for it to start.

[D-Unit]

My last post before I go to my friend's house to watch the game w/da boys.

GO BJ!!!!

[Ravens1991]

I think any situation is possible except GSP subbing BJ. Does anyone agree?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

http://assets.espn.go.com/livenow/ufc94/eng.swf

Mir/Florian's analysis is really good.

[vatech=accdomination]

justin tv ftw, as long as they dont get shut down

[Ravens1991]

is anyone else comcast acting funny?

[Rob S]

I love Clay Guida.....what a nutcase.

[BRAVEHEART]

Nate Diaz taunting FTW.

[vatech=accdomination]

i thought that was more of a UD...

[Rob S]

Nate Diaz taunting FTW.

FTL as it turns out........cocky dick

[Tampa 2 4 life]

i thought that was more of a UD...

I GUESS you could make an argument for round 1, but it seemed pretty UD for me.

[BRAVEHEART]

FTL as it turns out........cocky dick

No spoilers?

I have a last second change of heart. I'm going for kim.

[vatech=accdomination]

this was alot closer, parasian i thought had rd 3, although neither did enough to seperate.

[BRAVEHEART]

Could have gone either way.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

It was really close. WAR BONNAR

[BRAVEHEART]

this should be the best fight so far.

[Ravens1991]

Jones is a great athlete.

I thought the 3rd round in Karo Kim should have been 10-10 a bad round. I think if Karo didn't have amazing looking throws I think he would lose a lot of rounds. But I admit being great at Judo would be so fun in a street fight.

[BRAVEHEART]

German Suplex!

[josh07039]

Jones is rocking him. 1st round was utter destruction.

[vatech=accdomination]

spinning back elbow ftw

[BRAVEHEART]

this is a good one.

[vatech=accdomination]

UD imo, 30-27 id say

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Obvious decision, but Jones may die in a 5 round fight.

[josh07039]

Obvious decision, but Jones may die in a 5 round fight.He would just need a gameplan in which he conserves his energy rather than shooting for 50 takedowns a round. Successful or not, they are tiring. He needed to keep bonnar down for longer and just conserve.

[vatech=accdomination]

this is what i have been waiting for

[Tampa 2 4 life]

If lyoto finishes this fight in a card with 3 decisions I'm laughing my ass off.

[Rob S]

Lyoto is such a pain in the ass to fight.......his style would piss me off more than pretty much any other one. And when you get pissed, you chase, and when u chase him you get worked.

[josh07039]

Did Machida get hit once other than little weak body shots in the clinch?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Lyoto is my ******* hero.

[vatech=accdomination]

ahahahahahahahahahaha, Machida just won me some money at work.

[josh07039]

Lyoto is my ******* hero.
That was ******* great. He absolutley out thought Thiago in that one.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

That was ******* great. He absolutley out thought Thiago in that one.

Just an absolutely beauty of a trip.

[Rob S]

That was ******* great. He absolutley out thought Thiago in that one.

as always.....get this man a title shot.....

[Butch Peefington]

Thiago just too aggressive to fight against Lyoto. The more someone comes forward the worse off they will be against Lyoto.

That said, Machida v Evans could potentially be the most boring fight ever. Evans has a similar style of laying back and looking for the counter. That could be a very slow moving affair.

[BRAVEHEART]

I feel embarrassed for picking Thiago. Didn't see Machida dominating him in every aspect. Thought the fight would atleast be balanced when both guys were standing up. That was one of the most lopsided *** beatings I've seen in awhile.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Thiago just too aggressive to fight against Lyoto. The more someone comes forward the worse off they will be against Lyoto.

That said, Machida v Evans could potentially be the most boring fight ever. Evans has a similar style of laying back and looking for the counter. That could be a very slow moving affair.

Lyoto would just out strike him in terms of technique.

[vatech=accdomination]

i was about to post 10-8, lol.

[josh07039]

as always.....get this man a title shot.....
He probably would've already had one or at the very least be considered #1 contender unquestionably now if he weren't a boring fighter and were a native English speaker.

[Ravens1991]

this guy is talented, but dear god is he boring. He deserves a shot but I can't stand watching him. I agree that Evans VS. Machida will be the most boring fight ever.

[Butch Peefington]

Lyoto would just out strike him in terms of technique.

Thing is, who moves forward to engage? Both are content to sit and wait for their opponents to leave an opening.

[Rob S]

oh man.....cant wait........this is gonna be awesome.....I hope BJ wins if only bc I want to see him call out Anderson haha.......

and with machida......to beat him u just have to stand there and make him come forward and take the booing. Putting on a bad fight is a crappy feeling, but losing is worse.

[Breaker]

Machida's power level... IT'S OVER 9000!!!!:eek:

I could've sworn he turned super sayian in those last seconds. That push off and finish was sick. Total buzzer beater.

[Butch Peefington]

Man, I have absolutely no idea who I would give round 1 to. BJ for surviving so many takedown attempts?

[BRAVEHEART]

I know I'm in the minority (and I'm a minority) but...GO GSP!!!!!

[Tampa 2 4 life]

BJ just lost the fight.

[Rob S]

I think GSP gets round 1 man, BJ didnt get any offense off at least GSP was trying stuff.

Rd. 2 GSP as well.

BJ needs a comeback

[vatech=accdomination]

bj needs a ko or sub, he is in trouble. *** that they go after the channels in this fight, im watching in chinese

[Butch Peefington]

Use sopcast, works well for it

[BRAVEHEART]

Canadian bacon is manhandling Hawaiian punch.

[vatech=accdomination]

this is embarrassing, this could easily be a 40-34 fight right now,

and its over

[bored of education]

wow wow amazingness as its most amazing

[TheBuffaloBills]

Was that fight more of just GSP dominating, or BJ sucking?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Was that fight more of just GSP dominating, or BJ sucking?

GSP dominating. NO ONE has dominated Hawaian Beej's guard like that.

[vatech=accdomination]

Time to start hyping Silva v GSP

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I think Karo is having a panic attack on the MMA live set.

[JF4]

Was that fight more of just GSP dominating, or BJ sucking?

Definately GSP dominating. Both fighters came in at the top if their game and GSP was the far better fighter. Nobody has ever worked Penn the way GSP did tonight post round 1 and I doubt anyone ever will again. Penn couldn't stop the takedown, GSP began to pass his guard at will and cause serious damage.

GSP is so well rounded that the only way I see him losing in the forseeable future is a lucky punch i.e Matt Serra.

War GSP!!!

[Ravens1991]

wow is GSP a freak or what.

and a quick thing about Karo. It sucks he is a complete nut case. He has the tools to be #2 at 170 but doesnt have it mentally.

[slightlyaraiderfan]

this guy is talented, but dear god is he boring. He deserves a shot but I can't stand watching him. I agree that Evans VS. Machida will be the most boring fight ever.
I rather watch him then some boring wrestler.

P.S. **** frenchie!

[Tampa 2 4 life]

btw, Jon Fitch is the new Rich Franklin.

[D-Unit]

Needless to say I am bummed. :(

Congrats to GSP for complete and total domination.

BJ we love you. Wish you had brought more confidence into this fight tonight. Go back to 155 and do your thing. Don't move up. You look fat at 168.

[Wootylicous]

GSPPPPPPPPPPPPP wooooooooooooooooooo

:D

God I'm pumpeddddddddd

[D-Unit]

GSPPPPPPPPPPPPP wooooooooooooooooooo

:D

God I'm pumpeddddddddd
How can anyone not love the guy? GSP is a legendary fighter.

[Wootylicous]

and he is from my hometown and I'm so proud of him it's incredible. Met him a couple of time he is a class act.

[Ravens1991]

btw, Jon Fitch is the new Rich Franklin.

what do you mean by that?

[Butch Peefington]

I don't see Jon Fitch winning and defending his title multiple times so I dont get the Franklin comparison :)

Tough luck on BJ D, I was rooting for him. Hell have to settle for running things at 155.

Thiago Alves vs GSP is going to be great, Alves looked bigger than GSP in the ring too. Well see how good his BJJ & wrestling are in 5-6 months.

[Ravens1991]

Darn I was hoping for Anderson Silva VS. GSP at UFC 100. But I have heard Alves walks into the ring around 200. He cuts a ton of weight, he can say hello to severly damaged organs in 20 years.

[fenikz]

this guy is talented, but dear god is he boring. He deserves a shot but I can't stand watching him. I agree that Evans VS. Machida will be the most boring fight ever.

Machida will destroy Evans, it won't be boring at all

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Machida will destroy Evans, it won't be boring at all

Very true Rashad will just chase and get dropped early. BTW this is the first time I've seen him fight but Jon Jones has some legit Judo takedowns and nice control and ground passes. Stephan Bonnar is a pretty solid fighter who has an iron chin.

[jared]

Man, I was expecting a little more from the first three fights. Guida-Diaz had a good opening round but got boring in a hurry. Oh well, the right call was made and the good guy won. Karo-Kim was a bit of a snoozer that neither fighter really won in my eyes. Jones clearly showed some cool takedowns but he's still a ways off, especially conditioning-wise. I was hoping for Bonnar to let his hands go more instead of his slow, telegraphed kicks. His boxing and conditioning were clearly superior.

Machida looked outstanding. I'm still trying to think of the fighter at 205 that would give him the most trouble...I don't think it's Rashad or Forrest, maybe Rampage. I wanna see him and A. Silva fight someday though.

Nothing needs to be said about GSP.

[Ravens1991]

Very true Rashad will just chase and get dropped early. .

He didn't Chase Liddell at all and he isn't agressive in his strikes either. It is going to be 5 rounds of people staring at each other galloping in circles.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

what do you mean by that?

Can't see anyone besides the elite beating him, and one of the elite is the WW titleholder.

[Ravens1991]

I see. I see what you mean. No one can beat GSP in WW so Alves and Fitch could be called Franklins.

[comahan]

gspppppp

CHEATERRRRRRRRRRR

CHEATERRRRRRRRRRR

[UKfan]

Thank you GSP, you made my day, that is all.

[bwillie26]

Darn I was hoping for Anderson Silva VS. GSP at UFC 100. But I have heard Alves walks into the ring around 200. He cuts a ton of weight, he can say hello to severly damaged organs in 20 years.

Alves walks about 200 when he isn't training. Coming into the fight you will see most fighters gain 10-15lbs once they rehydrate themselves. The last 10-15lbs a fighter loses is water weight. You pretty much see a completely dehydrated fighter on the scale at weigh-ins. Big reason why they are always quick to grab the water and some fighters even get IV's to get fluid back in their system even quicker.

Alves probably walks into the cage about 185lbs or 190lbs if he some freak of nature. GSP walked into the cage at 187 last night.

[D-Unit]

Did you guys hear the latest controversy?

http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/blog/mma_experts/post/Penn-s-camp-alleges-misdeeds-with-Vaseline-by-GS?urn=mma%2C138061

http://www.totalprosports.com/blog/index.php/2009/02/ufc-94-gsp-vaseline-controversy/

http://mma.fanhouse.com/2009/02/02/ufc-94-georges-st-pierre-beat-b-j-penn-with-help-from-vase/

http://www.fightticker.com/story_0201091440_bj_penn_corner_files_complaint_wi th_nsac

GSP's corner wiped Vaseline all over GSP's back.

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B.J. Penn's camp has filed a formal complaint with the Nevada State Athletic Commission over Vaseline that was allegedly rubbed on Georges St. Pierre's back between rounds one and two. UFC president Dana White said at the post-fight press conference that he was aware of the complaint, and said he personally witnessed members of the commission take the Vaseline away from GSP's camp and rebuke them in the Octagon between rounds.

"I saw the commission jump up there and flipping out," said Dana White. They said one of the guys was rubbing Vaseline on Georges' back in between rounds. It was one and two, I think."

"The guys from the athletic commission went up there and started screaming at them. Knocked the Vaseline and kicked the Vaseline out of the Octagon."

White added that "some Vaseline on a guy's back didn't change the outcome of that fight, but you don't do it," and said the blame should fall on the cornerman responsible and not GSP.

"If a guy was intentionally putting Vaseline on a guy's back, he should never corner a mixed martial arts fight again."

As for what becomes of the complaint now, White said it's out of his hands.

"Who knows. That's up to the commission."

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I think GSP would've still won, but it does make it a tainted win.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Personally I think it made no difference in GSP absolutely overpowering Penn, but because they cheated they deserve for it to be labeled a tainted win. We don't know if GSP was aware or not but it's still cheating and they should be put in the spotlight for it, but still IMO made zero difference in the match.

[UKfan]

The Athletic Commision saw it happen at the time and wiped it off with a towel, there's been a shedload of stuff on Sherdog about it.

Obviously vaseline on the back would make it harder for BJ to keep a high guard and throw up triangle attempts, and could potentially make his legs slippery allowing GSP to escape his guard easier, but with the fighters sweating so much and GSP's athleticism I don't think this is a big deal really.

[D-Unit]

I agree GSP would've still won, but it's just kind of frustrating because it takes away from the purety of the sport.

You can't really wipe off vaseline once it's on like that. For a jiu jitsu fighter, it affects everything when they are on the ground. Defense and offense. To brush it off like it's nothing is wrong. It took BJ out of his game plan.

GSP is a better fighter. I just wish there was no controversy.

[vatech=accdomination]

Penn throwing his legs up was like gasping for air, he was not going to get anything.

I am pretty sure I saw something where Alves was in the ring at 199 in one of his most recent fights.

[UKfan]

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=7916&zoneid=13

Gonzaga vs Carwin signed for UFC 96, can't wait to see Carwin against a serious opponent in Gabe, should be a war.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

UFC Fight night 17 tonight live on Spike!!!

It's a stacked card if you ask me. I think one of the better cards I've seen in a while even though there are no titles on the line.

Headed by Joe Lauzon vs. Jeremy Stephens. I don't see Lauzon losing as long as he doesn't allow it to become a stand up battle. Even more excited to see Cain against Dennis Stojnic. I know nothing about Dennis Stojnic so I can't really analyze it, but I want to see Cain destroy and get his name out there more for more serious match talks. Mac Danzig against Josh Neer is another great matchup. I think Neer can easily control Danzig and will win the matchup. Fiorvanti vs Anthony Johnson. I love Johnson and am one of his biggest fans but I don't think he can win this. Fiorvanti will weather the storm and then impose his will. It's always exciting to see Johnson go balls out until his cardio fails him, but I think Luigi will dictate the pace of the match and control Johnson. BTW I was very disappointed to see Amir Sadollah dropped out again with injury. I wonder if the guy will ever fight a match.

[Donno]

I really liked Cain Velazuez after his last fight he looked very solid so Im rooting for him tonight and I think Danzig will take Neer.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

crap man Anthony Johnson is really gaining confidence. He's just going up the ladder at 170. His striking is so deadly right now, devastating kick power. Pair that with his wrestling and the fact that he has a huge reach advantage against almost anyone he will face and this kid's potential is crazy. Only 25 years old. Just needs to work on some submissions, work his cardio, and become a smarter fighter, but right now he is just imposing his will on guys and Fiorvanti is a tough kid.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Johnson Vs. Swick plz.

[Ravens1991]

Johnson is a freak. If they give him some time to develop him and GSP will be a hell of a fight. He is bigger then GSP but not quite as athletic, but still a damn good athlete as well.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Well that's a little too early to talk but Johnson has the kind of the quick burst to surprise GSP at 170 but lets be honest, no one can handle GSP at 170. I'd love to see Johnson eventually go against say Diego Sanchez or Karo. Koszcheck would be another match that would give him a huge win but I think would be fairly winnable.

[Ravens1991]

yea he has all world talent. He is so damn big at 170 and combines it with amazing athletic ability. He has great potential.

Now Cain is up, He will show why wrestling is the best base to start off w/ for MMA.

[BRAVEHEART]

what a fitting name, RUMBLE.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Damn what a first round by Cain awesome striking. Stojnic though won't get knocked out it seems but damn he has no skills his strikes are so wild, lol.

[Ravens1991]

lol typical fat guy w/ no talent or athletic ability but a ton of heart and man boobs to go w/ it.

Cain is a freak, he is at 245 which is a perfect weight for HWT. Combine that with great wrestling, I have seen wrestling insiders say he is the hardest working wrestler they ever seen and is on the level of Dan Gable!!!!

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Lol I think Stojic could have gone the whole fight getting his ass kicked but would not get ko'ed and would continue to defend himself. But I guess instead of delaying the inevitable just end the pain and not see Stojic develop long term damage. Cain's striking was so impressive tonight. Time to see some real opponents.

[Ravens1991]

yea I am wondering who would be the best opponent for him? Carwin and Gonzaga are booked, Lesnar and Mir are too. Herring maybe but he would eat him alive. We could give him Nog that would really be throwing him into the fire!

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Wrestling is the best base for MMA

- Jake Rosholt

[Ravens1991]

this isn't UFC 1 you gotta be well versed in submissions and striking. Still I would take a wrestler w/ natural striking talent, that is the perfect prospect IMO.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

this isn't UFC 1 you gotta be well versed in submissions and striking. Still I would take a wrestler w/ natural striking talent, that is the perfect prospect IMO.

I'll take a Cung Le and teach him ground skills, lol. But really the work AJ has done with Le can be seen in his past 2 matches. Awesome velocity and variety of kicks. I think he has a chance to get to the top of 170 one day especially if GSP focuses on 185 which he should.

[Ravens1991]

rumored UFC 100 card.

GSP VS. Alves
Rampage VS. Rashad
Wandy MW debut
Bisping VS. Hendo

I assume they would get a HW on there, Hopefully Carwin or Cain to show how much potential is in the HW class.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

rumored UFC 100 card.

GSP VS. Alves
Rampage VS. Rashad
Wandy MW debut
Bisping VS. Hendo

I assume they would get a HW on there, Hopefully Carwin or Cain to show how much potential is in the HW class.

That's a mighty quick turnaround for Rampage...eh.

Wandy Vs. Belfort would be ******* amazing.

Hendo by whatever.

Maybe Randy vs. Nog?

[SeanTaylorRIP]

rumored UFC 100 card.

GSP VS. Alves
Rampage VS. Rashad
Wandy MW debut
Bisping VS. Hendo

I assume they would get a HW on there, Hopefully Carwin or Cain to show how much potential is in the HW class.

That doesn't seem like a fair enough time of training for a title match for Rampage after fighting UFC 96 with Jardine upcoming. Anyways I would really love to see Bisping and Hendo. Those I hear are the next ultimate fighter coaches, it's gonna but US vs England.

[Ravens1991]

it depends Shogun is fighting chuck at 97 w/ a 3 month turn around. Granted its all speculation at this point. What should happen is Rampage sends Jardine into a nursing home at the tender age of 40 after this fight.

And god I would love to see Hendo beat Bisping, but Bisping is a decent fighter who has the potential to win another boring decision like his Leben fight if Hendo wildly throws his right hand. If he uses his wrestling he should slaughter the Count.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

it depends Shogun is fighting chuck at 97 w/ a 3 month turn around. Granted its all speculation at this point. What should happen is Rampage sends Jardine into a nursing home at the tender age of 40 after this fight.

And god I would love to see Hendo beat Bisping, but Bisping is a decent fighter who has the potential to win another boring decision like his Leben fight if Hendo wildly throws his right hand. If he uses his wrestling he should slaughter the Count.

You are crazy!! I love watching Bisping fight. He is one of my favorite fighters. I can not wait for him to get another shot at the champ!!

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I hate him but Machida is clear cut the top 205er and IMO should be considered with GSP, Fedor, and my personal fave Faber for top P4P. Page though is one of the few guys who actually could beat Machida. I'd like Page's chances vs Lyoto much more than Rashad's. I'm still in the school of thought that Rampage would destroy Rashad.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

And god I would love to see Hendo beat Bisping, but Bisping is a decent fighter who has the potential to win another boring decision like his Leben fight if Hendo wildly throws his right hand. If he uses his wrestling he should slaughter the Count.

It's going to be the boring version of Franklin-Hendo without Franklin's jits threat.

[Ravens1991]

You are crazy!! I love watching Bisping fight. He is one of my favorite fighters. I can not wait for him to get another shot at the champ!!

why he is so over hyped it makes me want to puke. Also he is just a turd the way he acted after the Hammil fight when Hammil had to kick his ass then he got a gift decision.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

why he is so over hyped it makes me want to puke. Also he is just a turd the way he acted after the Hammil fight when Hammil had to kick his ass then he got a gift decision.

I do not over hype him I just really like the way he fights. I agree he should of lost the fight against Hammil but I like how he is a "turd" and I liked it when he was on TUF. He just went around saying he was going to beat everyone and he did. I just think he is solid everywhere and is not easy to beat for anyone!!

[Ravens1991]

it is true he is solid everywhere and great at nothing. He just seemed like a total douche. And you may not over hype him but some people are like crazy. He is a poor mans Rich Franklin, and look what the Spider did to Franklin, Bisping is a dead man against Anderson.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

it is true he is solid everywhere and great at nothing. He just seemed like a total douche. And you may not over hype him but some people are like crazy. He is a poor mans Rich Franklin, and look what the Spider did to Franklin, Bisping is a dead man against Anderson.

Yea I agree he is not great at anything but he can finish anywhere. He is a total douche lol and I usually do not like the douche but in his case he is a funny douche :) I do not think he can beat Anderson either.

[El Peefs?????]

rumored UFC 100 card.

GSP VS. Alves
Rampage VS. Rashad
Wandy MW debut
Bisping VS. Hendo

I assume they would get a HW on there, Hopefully Carwin or Cain to show how much potential is in the HW class.

Noooo way they put that all on the same card. Those are 3 main event fights right there. UFC has had a lot worse fights than those headline cards. I'm sure Wandy fight will be tossed in with one of them, but there is no conceivable way Dana puts that stacked of a card together.

And the UFC babies Bisping because he is far and away the best British fighter they've got, maybe overall. With the amount of cards they do in Great Britain and now even with a full British team for TUF Bisping is a very valuable commodity to them. Even though he keeps headlining cards he hasn't really faced any top notch competition outside of Rashad who he lost to and wasnt yet considered in that top 205 tier.

[Hines]

Can people tell me more about Rashad Evans? From watching Ultimate Knockouts 6, he gets it done.

[ccB]

I hate him but Machida is clear cut the top 205er and IMO should be considered with GSP, Fedor, and my personal fave Faber for top P4P. Page though is one of the few guys who actually could beat Machida. I'd like Page's chances vs Lyoto much more than Rashad's. I'm still in the school of thought that Rampage would destroy Rashad.

Faber isn't near the top P4P best right now, especially not over Anderson Silva.

[ccB]

rumored UFC 100 card.

GSP VS. Alves
Rampage VS. Rashad
Wandy MW debut
Bisping VS. Hendo

I assume they would get a HW on there, Hopefully Carwin or Cain to show how much potential is in the HW class.

Rampage v Rashad is contingent on Rampage beating Jardine, if he loses it will be Machida v Rashad (which is what it should be) If Jackson beats Jardine Mar-July is more than enough time to prepare for Rashad, especially seeing as how Jardine and Rashad will likely come at him with the same game plan.

Bisping v Hendo and GSP v Alves are locks to happen at 100, the Bisping v Hendo season of TUF has been taping for about a month now.

I have a feeling you might see a Liddell v Machida/Shogun depending on how Jardine v Jackson turns out. Chucky is always a big draw. I doubt you see Carwin, HW's usually have a longer layoff than fighters in other weight classes.

[ccB]

Can people tell me more about Rashad Evans? From watching Ultimate Knockouts 6, he gets it done.

Rashad came in the UFC off of The Ultimate fighter, he was a fighter most people considered boring, and didn't begin to "get it done" until his fight with Sean Salmon, followed that up with a beating of Jason Lambert, neither fighter was more than a gatekeeper at best. After those fights he got tagged with the "boring" label again, with two lackluster fights v Bisping and Ortiz. He recently shed the "boring" label, most likey for the last time with two back to back devastating finishes over highly ranked competition. Before those last two fights he was a fringe top 10 at best. Hes got above average wrestling, great athleticism, improving striking skills, he trains with the best camp in MMA and is the #1 light heavyweight fighter in the world right now (until Lyoto Machida gets his hands on him ;) ) .

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Faber isn't near the top P4P best right now, especially not over Anderson Silva.

I can't see why he can't be in the top 5, He'll definitely get his title back and with Silva he looked pretty poor against Cote. I don't think mentally he has the edge or killer instinct anymore.

[Hines]

I am trying to get more into this. I would love to know who is good and who is not good. I already dont like Georges St. Pierre and Matt Serra. I love Anderson Silva, Rashad Evans, Rampage, and BJ Penn. Anyone else I should look out after and follow?

[MetSox17]

I can't see why he can't be in the top 5, He'll definitely get his title back and with Silva he looked pretty poor against Cote. I don't think mentally he has the edge or killer instinct anymore.

I randomly have Versus now and i've been catching a lot of WEC events, including several of Faber's fights. Impressive kid, definitely. Has he previously fought for the UFC?

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I randomly have Versus now and i've been catching a lot of WEC events, including several of Faber's fights. Impressive kid, definitely. Has he previously fought for the UFC?

155 is the lowest weight for UFC. Faber though once he conquers 140 in WEC again, will definitely be a candidate to move up in weight.

[BRAVEHEART]

I can't see why he can't be in the top 5, He'll definitely get his title back and with Silva he looked pretty poor against Cote. I don't think mentally he has the edge or killer instinct anymore.

That wasn't his last fight, and even though he didn't dominate Cote, it was pretty obvious who was gonna win.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I am trying to get more into this. I would love to know who is good and who is not good. I already dont like Georges St. Pierre and Matt Serra. I love Anderson Silva, Rashad Evans, Rampage, and BJ Penn. Anyone else I should look out after and follow?

Well not sure on your criteria of what you like but I'll take a guess and say you prefer strikers or good bjj submissions over wrestling, control, and ground and pound, but as far as who to look out for, you'd probably love Forrest Griffin. Anthony Johnson is one of the most exciting fighters in the UFC right now and is one of their shining young prospects. Diego Sanchez is a guy you'd probably like and is fighting the headliner on the free fight night card next Saturday on Spike. Kenny Florian is another exciting fighter.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

That wasn't his last fight, and even though he didn't dominate Cote, it was pretty obvious who was gonna win.

Sorry but who did he fight after Cote? Cote was his last fight unless I completely missed an event.

[MetSox17]

155 is the lowest weight for UFC. Faber though once he conquers 140 in WEC again, will definitely be a candidate to move up in weight.

I knew UFC didn't have the smaller weight classes, didn't know 155 was their limit though. Fun fact.

I love seeing the Bantamweight fights on WEC. Frantic pace for 15 straight minutes.

[ccB]

I can't see why he can't be in the top 5, He'll definitely get his title back and with Silva he looked pretty poor against Cote. I don't think mentally he has the edge or killer instinct anymore.

I say all this in the nicest way possible, but this post clearly shows you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when it comes to MMA and instead of being like Hines Ward Jr, who admits he knows nothing about MMA, yet wants to learn and become educated, or even MetSox a guy who on more than one occasion has let it be known he is not the most knowledgeable when it comes to MMA, you continue to post like you have a wealth of knowledge that just isn't there.

[ccB]

I am trying to get more into this. I would love to know who is good and who is not good. I already dont like Georges St. Pierre and Matt Serra. I love Anderson Silva, Rashad Evans, Rampage, and BJ Penn. Anyone else I should look out after and follow?

cg_vAunVH-0

Your new favorite fighter.

[fenikz]

cg_vAunVH-0

Your new favorite fighter.

Close, he is #2

[vatech=accdomination]

I am pumped to see David Loiseau back personally, that spinning back kick is what got me interested in MMA.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I say all this in the nicest way possible, but this post clearly shows you have absolutely no idea what you're talking about when it comes to MMA and instead of being like Hines Ward Jr, who admits he knows nothing about MMA, yet wants to learn and become educated, or even MetSox a guy who on more than one occasion has let it be known he is not the most knowledgeable when it comes to MMA, you continue to post like you have a wealth of knowledge that just isn't there.

So let me get this straight because I don't watch every MMA event to ever happen I'm not allowed to give my opinion on who I think are the best P4P fighters and instead all I am supposed to do is ask you so you can enlighten me with the truth. Yeah ok. I don't know why you'd say I am posting like I have a wealth of knowledge, I'm posting what I see and posting what I know, if that isn't good enough for you the MMA Lord of NFLDC well sorry then. But I'm not going to sit here and not give my opinion on a topic because you might know more than me. I ask for your forgiveness CCB because I was under the impression that these boards were for discussion for everyone regardless of your level of knowledge on a topic. I guess I'm banned from posting in the NHL thread too since I only watch Capitals games.

[ccB]

So let me get this straight because I don't watch every MMA event to ever happen I'm not allowed to give my opinion on who I think are the best P4P fighters and instead all I am supposed to do is ask you so you can enlighten me with the truth. Yeah ok. I don't know why you'd say I am posting like I have a wealth of knowledge, I'm posting what I see and posting what I know, if that isn't good enough for you the MMA Lord of NFLDC well sorry then. But I'm not going to sit here and not give my opinion on a topic because you might know more than me. I ask for your forgiveness CCB because I was under the impression that these boards were for discussion for everyone regardless of your level of knowledge on a topic. I guess I'm banned from posting in the NHL thread too since I only watch Capitals games.

Its not a matter of opinion, its a matter of fact. You saying Uriah Faber should be above Anderson Silva on the P4P rankings list is like me saying Caron Butler is a better basketball player than Lebron James. Is Caron a great player? Yes, is he better than LBJ? NO! Is Uriah Faber a great fighter? Absolutely, should he be ranked within 5 spots of Anderson SIlva on a top P4P list? NO! So do not act like I am jumping on you for having a differing opinion, I am jumping on you for being absolutely 100% incorrect. I dont care who you are, or what you status level is on here, I will call a spade a spade. If you are wrong you are wrong.

The same way I am calling you out on this is the same way you'd call someone out someone for saying something ridiculously stupid in the NBA discussion or the NBA thread, if I am the "MMA lord of NFLDC" you are the "Grandmaster of the NBA/NBA draft discussions" I have seen you on more than one occasion ridicule someone for saying something stupid in those threads, so you can keep the condescending lil name calling to yourself.

You will not find anyone who agrees with your claim anywhere, no one on this site, no one on any of the popular MMA communities, NOWHERE! So it either comes down to you having absolutely no idea what you are talking about, or you are taking a stance to be "edgy" and "different" pick your poison.

EDIT: I just want to make it clear to everyone, I have absolutely no problem with new fans of MMA. The more MMA fans the more mainstream it will become and the better it will be for the sport, the fighters, and the fans of the sport. I joke about "TUF "n00bs" but that is an inside joke amongst the MMA community. I have no problem with people who became fans of the sport because of TUF, thats the UFC's purpose for having TUF.

I just don't like when people try acting like they know more about something than what they really do and I find it ironic that a guy like Ghetto who claims to be a long time MMA fan dating back to the days of Maurice Smith, never EVER posted in this thread until recently. Is it all just a coincidence that in over 3+ years on the board and in over 15k posts you never bothered to post in here until recently? Coincidentally the time in which you started posting in here coincided with the airing of last season's "The Ultimate Fighter' and is it a coincidence that this is also when you started spouting off about Phillipe Nover being a top 10 LW in the world? Do you also have a bridge in Brooklyn you want to try and sell us?

[ccB]

I am pumped to see David Loiseau back personally, that spinning back kick is what got me interested in MMA.

That kick folded Charles McCarthy like some clothes fresh out of the dryer. One of the sickest strikes in MMA. I really hope he can get back to his winning ways, I was always a big fan of the Crow.

[ccB]

I knew UFC didn't have the smaller weight classes, didn't know 155 was their limit though. Fun fact.

I love seeing the Bantamweight fights on WEC. Frantic pace for 15 straight minutes.

WEC is owned by the Zuffa, which is the company that runs the UFC. Currently the WEC is being used for the smaller divisions, 125-155 and the UFC is for the bigger 155-265+. The WEC recently got rid of their 205-170 divisions and sent all the higher quality fighters from those divisions to the UFC. I imagine the plan is to get rid of all the overlapping divisions, so I wouldn't be surprised to see the WEC get rid of their 155 division next.

If you love Bantamweights check out as many Miguel Torres fights as you can, the guy is the top dog in that division and one of the best fighters in the world.

[ccB]

Rich Franklin v Wanderlei Silva at UFC 99. This should be a fun fight.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=8204&zoneid=2

[Ravens1991]

wow. I wanted to see Wand on UFC 100. But that will still be a good fight. I think Rich could take him in striking or wrestling, but I never count Wand out. WAR WAND!!!!!!!!

[sdpads24]

Rich Franklin v Wanderlei Silva at UFC 99. This should be a fun fight.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=8204&zoneid=2

What a great fight!!!!! I'm kinda suprissed Franklin is moving back to middlewight. I thought he was staying at 205. Franklin is pretty big guy, he should have fun making that weight :).

Edit: I thought Silva's next fight was going to be at 185, but it looks like he and Franklin agreed on a 195 catch weight. Interesting...

[Ravens1991]

The fight doesn't make much sense IMO but hey it will be a exciting fight.

[fenikz]

The fight doesn't make much sense IMO but hey it will be a exciting fight.


well they gotta have some exciting fights since they are saving all the championships for 100

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Rich Franklin v Wanderlei Silva at UFC 99. This should be a fun fight.

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=8204&zoneid=2

If your definition of fun is "Rich Franklin jabbing and front kicking the **** out of wand until wand bull rushes even more than he usually does and gets caught" then yes, this will be a fun fight.

[locseti]

Honestly, CCBG, having Faber in his top 5 p4p is not THAT crazy..

1. Fedor
2. Silva
3. GSP
4. Machida
5. Penn

Fringe: Faber/Torres

[PACKmanN]

http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-cheating-boxing-mma17-2009feb17,0,3460930,full.story

I don't know if this was already posted but thoughts?

[ccB]

Honestly, CCBG, having Faber in his top 5 p4p is not THAT crazy..

1. Fedor
2. Silva
3. GSP
4. Machida
5. Penn

Fringe: Faber/Torres

When he is in the top 5 over Anderson Silva it is a huge issue. To be honest, Faber doesn't belong in any top 10 p4p list until he avenges his loss to Brown, and even after that he wont be top 5 until he begins to clean out the WEC's 145 division, there are a lot of tough guys in that division that Faber hasn't faced, Garcia/Aldo/Fabiano/ etc.. The guy is only on a 1 fight winning streak, this isn't the "Who has potential to be top p4p list" there are far more qualified guys than him at the moment. Right now I have Faber as the 2nd rated 145-er in the world, so it's not like I think the guy sucks or anything like that.

My off the top of my head Top p4p list:

1. Anderson Silva
2. Fedor Emelianenko
3. Georges St. Pierre
4. Miguel Torres
5. BJ Penn
6. Rashad Evans
7. Lyoto Machida
8. Gegard Mousasi (@185, would drop him if he moves up to 205 permanently)
9. Thiago Alves
10. Mike Thomas Brown

Just missed: Shinya Aoki, debated between him and Brown, really 8-10 + Aoki could be mixed and matched into any combination.

[locseti]

When he is in the top 5 over Anderson Silva it is a huge issue. To be honest, Faber doesn't belong in any top 10 p4p list until he avenges his loss to Brown, and even after that he wont be top 5 until he begins to clean out the WEC's 145 division, there are a lot of tough guys in that division that Faber hasn't faced, Garcia/Aldo/Fabiano/ etc.. The guy is only on a 1 fight winning streak, this isn't the "Who has potential to be top p4p list" there are far more qualified guys than him at the moment. Right now I have Faber as the 2nd rated 145-er in the world, so it's not like I think the guy sucks or anything like that.

My off the top of my head Top p4p list:

1. Anderson Silva
2. Fedor Emelianenko
3. Georges St. Pierre
4. Miguel Torres
5. BJ Penn
6. Rashad Evans
7. Lyoto Machida
8. Gegard Mousasi (@185, would drop him if he moves up to 205 permanently)
9. Thiago Alves
10. Mike Thomas Brown

Just missed: Shinya Aoki, debated between him and Brown, really 8-10 + Aoki could be mixed and matched into any combination.

Ya, above Silva IS crazy. I still think the loss to Brown was an aberration and will be avenged. I'm surprised to see Lyoto so low on your list, when he gets his shot to dismantle Sugar your rankings will change. Do you think we could ever see Torres v. Faber? Torres is amazing but I think Faber would be too strong for him. Also, did you say that the WEC has disbanded the 170-205 weight classes? Does that mean the Natural Born Killa is in the UFC??

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/fighter/20081018055404_condit.JPG

[El Peefs?????]

Ya, above Silva IS crazy. I still think the loss to Brown was an aberration and will be avenged. I'm surprised to see Lyoto so low on your list, when he gets his shot to dismantle Sugar your rankings will change. Do you think we could ever see Torres v. Faber? Torres is amazing but I think Faber would be too strong for him. Also, did you say that the WEC has disbanded the 170-205 weight classes? Does that mean the Natural Born Killa is in the UFC??

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/fighter/20081018055404_condit.JPG

Yup. All the heavier top talent guys in WEC got absorbed into the UFC's ranks, the rest got fired or something Im not sure.

Condit is making his UFC debut against Martin Kampmann sometime in the near future. Kampmann is a beast when he isnt hurt & this will also be his debut at 170 (he did fight at 185 before) so this should be a really good fight.

[ccB]

Ya, above Silva IS crazy. I still think the loss to Brown was an aberration and will be avenged. I'm surprised to see Lyoto so low on your list, when he gets his shot to dismantle Sugar your rankings will change. Do you think we could ever see Torres v. Faber? Torres is amazing but I think Faber would be too strong for him. Also, did you say that the WEC has disbanded the 170-205 weight classes? Does that mean the Natural Born Killa is in the UFC??

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/_images/fighter/20081018055404_condit.JPG

Eh, I agree it was a freak shot, but I don't think it was an upset to the magnitude of Serra KO-ing GSP. Mike Brown is highly underrated, extremely well rounded, and pretty big for the 145 class. I'd love to see Faber get a shot at avenging that loss (I am more of a Faber fan than a Brown fan) But Browns gotta get through Leonard Garcia first, and believe me that is no easy task. I would not be surprised at all to see Garcia take home the belt.

As for Rashad over Lyoto, I like Lyoto more, and I have made it no secret I think he could quite possibly be unbeatable at 205, But I gave the edge to Rashad right now because A. He has the belt in probably the deepest most talent rich division in all of MMA and B. He has the more impressive recent wins. I have no issue with people rating Lyoto ahead, I just think the guy with the belt deserves to be ranked higher. Though If/When Machida Evans finally fight, I think Machida wins.

I think Torres v Faber is a possibility but it's contingent on A. Torres continuing to dominate 135 B. Faber regaining his momentum and beating guys like Brown, Garcia, Aldo, Fabiano, Assucao. So if this fight happens it would probably happen 1-2 years from now. I would love to see this fight though. I don't think Faber's strength advantage would be an issue, Torres built quite the reputation for fighting competitors who were a few weight classes above him before he made his way over to the WEC. He is no stranger to coming in at a size disadvantage, in fact Torres is actually the taller fighter and has the reach advantage over Faber, he obviously doesn't have the strength advantage but he does have his own set of advantages. Would be a dream fight for me.

Finally, Carlos Condit is indeed in the UFC now and is scheduled to fight Martin Kampmann April 1st, should be a good one.

[locseti]

No , it wasn't an upset on that magnitude, Mike Brown is a great fighter, but I do think the rematch will go the way of GSP/Serra 2. I'm pretty sure Urijah won't be trying back elbows off the fence. Leonard Garcia throws dogs, Brown may be better served taking that fight to the ground.



I remember watchng Aoki in Pride when he wore those yellow tights, the announcer was talking about how he could get more grip with them, dude's like a human spider. But most of his competition has been suspect, sure he's a world class grappler, but I don't think the flying armbars and omoplata from the mount are going to fly against top flight competition. The Eddie Alvarez win was very impressive, but he wont be winning any stand up wars.


As for Torres v Faber, it is painfully clear that nobody can beat Torres at 135, he needs to move up. He is already bigger (well, taller) than most of the competition, and clearly is a better wrestler, has superior BJJ, hits harder, is tougher, even when you cut him open he can't be beat. Brian Bowles is in for a beatdown.

I'm very excited to see Condit in the UFC, he's one of my favorite fighters.

[MetSox17]

I know this probably belongs in one of the gaming threads, but i thought it would get more response here since this is the MMA thread. I just read a review yesterday on GameInformer on the new UFC game they're bringing out. It's called "Undisputed" and it's supposed to have a sick ground game with the sticks, along with the pretty advanced stand up that most fighting games already have. Also rumored to have a 80+ person roster. Due sometime in Spring.

Pretty stoked.

[El Peefs?????]

I know this probably belongs in one of the gaming threads, but i thought it would get more response here since this is the MMA thread. I just read a review yesterday on GameInformer on the new UFC game they're bringing out. It's called "Undisputed" and it's supposed to have a sick ground game with the sticks, along with the pretty advanced stand up that most fighting games already have. Also rumored to have a 80+ person roster. Due sometime in Spring.

Pretty stoked.

Ya I know some of us have been waiting years for this game since they first announced they were creating it. The trailers looked pretty sweet, but so do most trailers. I bet this will be a hard game to get amazing at, which I like. Can't wait for it personally.

[Ravens1991]

I heard it would be out in the summer, but earlier the better!!! I am excited for it to come out!

[El Peefs?????]

I don't feel like buying next gen systems i hope this comes out for ps2 also, or the PC.

[Ravens1991]

don't get your hopes up.

[ccB]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/2/17/761458/ufc-undisputed-2009-in-lin

All the UFC undisputed 2009 info one can handle, been waiting to this game for a long time, can't wait. I will have it for 360 the day it comes out so anyone who wants to get choked out hit me up.

[Ravens1991]

Hopefully I get live by then, I will get your gamer tag if you are up to being beaten like a red headed step child, w/ freckles!!!