MMA Discussion Thread - SPOILERS!

[MetSox17]

I'm looking for one too, guys!

[josh07039]

I'm looking for one too, guys!
As am I, any help is appreciated.

[MetSox17]

Have you all tried Justin tv? If you go under sports, it should be the first one there, since the fight hasn't aired yet, i don't know if that's a legit stream.

[josh07039]

Have you all tried Justin tv? If you go under sports, it should be the first one there, since the fight hasn't aired yet, i don't know if that's a legit stream. Im not panicing yet for the fact that it isnt quite time yet, but usually I find something that is just showing the countdown show or something until fight time.

[ChezPower4]

I think I may have found one

[trkaline]

These fights are gonna be so beast I can't wait.

[McGahee]

whats the link?

[ChezPower4]

I found one!!!!

[MaxV]

Here we go.

[A Perfect Score]

Someone PM me!

[RonnieRun23]

someone pm me the link please!

[MaxV]

I'm looking forward to see how Johnie Hendricks does.

[josh07039]

I'm looking forward to see how Johnie Hendricks does.The words Holy and **** come to mind. G A Y

[ChezPower4]

That was ******* pathetic

[A Perfect Score]

All my streams keep dying for some reason. I totally missed that.

[ChezPower4]

All my streams keep dying for some reason. I totally missed that.

I PM'd you the best link I've found so far

[josh07039]

All my streams keep dying for some reason. I totally missed that.You didnt miss anything.

[McGahee]

I sent a good one too to ya.. but now it died. =/

Chez can you send me the link to that good one?

[LTgiants]

my streams keep dying on me can anyone help

[ChezPower4]

Now this card is going to get good, can't wait

[josh07039]

Now this card is going to get good, can't waitIf Forrest wins, my year is made.

[ChezPower4]

I think that he could pull off the upset

[MaxV]

And here comes DA MAN.

[josh07039]

I think that he could pull off the upsetI know he can, Im not incredibly optimistic about that he will.

[josh07039]

Silva is a Dick, but the greatest.

[A Perfect Score]

Woooooooooow. Anderson Silva. He was not threatened that entire fight.

[ChezPower4]

holy ****!!!!!

[LTgiants]

that was crazy.

[MaxV]

What's with the running in the end?

[A Perfect Score]

He just pimp slapped him. That was it.

[josh07039]

What's with the running in the end?After all the training he put in, he hadn't gotten much of a workout because he got beaten so quickly. He'll be in Xtreme Couture within the hour.

[ChezPower4]

Forrest didn't even have a chance

[MaxV]

Gerard Butler and Terry Crews would've made heck of UFC fighters if they didn't have different careers.

[josh07039]

Forrest didn't even have a chanceAfter getting rocked he just slowed down and I guess he realized that Anderson was just too good. I was a little surprised that Forrest didn't at least try for a takedown or try to punch him against the cage, but I guess Silva was just too quick.

[A Perfect Score]

Gerard Butler and Terry Crews would've made heck of UFC fighters if they didn't have different careers.

I was thinking that myself. During that interview, I was like "I wanna see these two fight." Ahhhh, if only celebrity deathmatches were a regular part of UFC lol.

[jayceheathman]

He just pimp slapped him. That was it.

Exactly. Its like Forrest cared too much about finally making Anderson fight and not slouch around like he did against Cote and Leites. I thought Forrest had a good chin? Anderson didnt even put his weight into that punch and Forrest had his hands down all match.

[djp]

That was one of the most dominating/embarrassing knockouts I've ever seen

[MaxV]

I like Florian, but I gotta go with BJ in this one.

This one should be more competitive then the previous fight.

[A Perfect Score]

I love Florian, he is probably my favorite fighter in UFC atm. Either him or Marcus Davis. I honestly hope he kicks the **** out of that cocky Hawaiian bastard.

[MaxV]

"Penn State"?

[ChezPower4]

and my stream is ******* up......FML

[A Perfect Score]

Yikes. Florian caught 2 big knees there at the end of the round. Thats rough. First round could of gone worse for him though.

[josh07039]

Yikes. Florian caught 2 big knees there at the end of the round. Thats rough. First round could of gone worse for him though.Florian's entire gameplan was wear him down without doing any damage. Once it hit the ground, classic BJ.

[ChezPower4]

didn't think the fight would end like that. I'm really glad I didn't pay $50 bucks for that because it was pretty disappointing overall.

[josh07039]

didn't think the fight would end like that. I'm really glad I didn't pay $50 bucks for that because it was pretty disappointing overall.Terrible. I'm glad that I am a pirate.

[comahan]

Less stream talk and all that next time around, technically its against rules, so it you want streams or whatever from others, use PMs

[MaxV]

Nice ear on BJ.

[jayceheathman]

Terrible. I'm glad that I am a pirate.

It was pathetic. No good fights at all. KenFlo got distracted by BJ's kick while they were on the ground. He tried to reach for his leg and BJ called that perfectly and the second he moved his arms from his neck he went in for the choke.

[josh07039]

It was pathetic. No good fights at all. KenFlo got distracted by BJ's kick while they were on the ground. He tried to reach for his leg and BJ called that perfectly and the second he moved his arms from his neck he went in for the choke.That wasn't even the issue. He came in with a kinda crappy gameplan. He just tried to tire BJ out without doing any damage. That is just stupid. Florian doesn't have good takedowns and BJ's takedown defense is legendary. Florian needed to try to chop down BJ with inside leg kicks and then try to combine that by wearing him out with takedowns. At least then, he could've had a chance to win rounds.

[Brent]

Silva did the whole Roy Jones Jr. hands-at-the-waist thing and it was awesome.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Less stream talk and all that next time around, technically its against rules, so it you want streams or whatever from others, use PMs

Does legally watching the korean television version count as a stream?

:D

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Quick thoughts:

- Leites needs to be cut.

- Is it just me, or does Grove look best suited for 205? He's just too skinny at 185.

- Sadollah stoppage was BS, but he wasn't winning anyway.

-Give Riley a decent fight, please.

-First though when Griffin got KO'd: "Silva's power or Forrest's chin?"

Second Thought: "Both."

Griffin just popping up right after and running off was ******* weird, I wonder if he hurt his ribs or something?

-Florian tried to be GSP. He doesn't have the wrestling, I love Florian, but Penn has decent cardio at 155 and GREAT takedown D. Diego/Penn is going to be a ************* war, though, But I think Penn takes Sanchez down and subs him.

-Barncat :(

[josh07039]

Quick thoughts:

- Leites needs to be cut.

- Is it just me, or does Grove look best suited for 205? He's just too skinny at 185.

- Sadollah stoppage was BS, but he wasn't winning anyway.

-Give Riley a decent fight, please.

-First though when Griffin got KO'd: "Silva's power or Forrest's chin?"

Second Thought: "Both."

Griffin just popping up right after and running off was ******* weird, I wonder if he hurt his ribs or something?

-Florian tried to be GSP. He doesn't have the wrestling, I love Florian, but Penn has decent cardio at 155 and GREAT takedown D. Diego/Penn is going to be a ************* war, though, But I think Penn takes Sanchez down and subs him.

-Barncat :(
-Leites is gone, Dana wants to rid himself of "the guy who wouldn't fight."
-I wonder if Grove even could make it to 185. Some people are just lanky and can't put on weight.

-Speaking of Lanky guys. I'll need to see the fight, but the Barncat will probably be moving up. One of the blogs or whatever that I read said he just seemed like he didn't have enough energy after a really tough cutdown.

I think Forrest popping up and running off was him just being overcome with the humiliation of that absolute destruction.

[Todd Bertuzzi]

Silva absolutely embarrassed Griffin.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Apparently Griffin dislocated his Jaw. Ouch.

[Todd Bertuzzi]

Yeah you had to figure something was wrong when he went down that easy at the end and then threw his hands up so Silva wouldn't jump on him.

[Ravens1991]

I think he was hurt bad and that jab was the finally of it all.


and also I dont think Penn could submit Sanchez, Sanchez is a great grappler. I am super excited for this fight.

[Bosanac01]

hey how can i watch the replay of that fight online, is there a way?

[Ravens1991]

www.mmalinker.com


I think thats the link. the fight should be up to download

[ChezPower4]

Apparently Griffin dislocated his Jaw. Ouch.

http://www.sweetfights.com/Arthur11neu_4281000.jpg

This man had his jaw broken in the fourth round. He proceeded to finish the last eight rounds and won the fight.

[fenikz]

2 crazy high theories, #1 Forrest threw the fight and ran out because he was embarrassed to do so, #2 Anderson Silva is a god and his dead arm style punches would **** up a elephant

[Cicero]

Here are gif's of the three knockdowns.


http://img200.imageshack.us/img200/5562/silvagriffin1.gif

http://img190.imageshack.us/img190/2039/silvagriffin2.gif

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3562/silvagriffin3.gif

Man Anderson looked phenomenal out there his punch dodging reminded me of Floyd Mayweather (not comparing their boxing skills, just elusiveness).

[Cicero]

These were all pretty good haha.

http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/4365/forrest3.jpg

http://img197.imageshack.us/img197/9575/gotfail.jpg

http://img6.imageshack.us/img6/7544/forrest6.jpg

[Rob S]

Silva's head movement is what sets him apart from any other MMA fighter right now. He is p4p #1 right now and its not up for debate. Lets see him vs GSP!

[Cicero]

Silva's head movement is what sets him apart from any other MMA fighter right now. He is p4p #1 right now and its not up for debate. Lets see him vs GSP!

I wish.

Henderson Probably Next for Silva; Machida Talk Gets a Little Louder (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/henderson-probably-next-for-silva-machida-talk-gets-a-little-louder-19009)

[Rob S]

yeah I heard, I like the Hendo fight tho. GSP needs time if he wants to put on some healthy weight as well. I would assume he wants to add at least 10 pounds of muscle, that takes time when done clean.

[Cicero]

yeah I heard, I like the Hendo fight tho. GSP needs time if he wants to put on some healthy weight as well. I would assume he wants to add at least 10 pounds of muscle, that takes time when done clean.

I really don't wanna see Hendo vs. Silva again. There is just no way he is going to tag Silva with the slow ultra telegraphed right hand. I'd rather see him fight someone else at LHW than Hendo, who was arguably losing to Bisping until he walked into that right.

[bernbabybern820]

Silva's head movement is what sets him apart from any other MMA fighter right now. He is p4p #1 right now and its not up for debate. Lets see him vs GSP!

I wish.

Henderson Probably Next for Silva; Machida Talk Gets a Little Louder (http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/henderson-probably-next-for-silva-machida-talk-gets-a-little-louder-19009)

At the press conference it was funny because when asked if Silva would be willing to fight Machida, Dana goes ya thats a definite possibility and right after Silva says theres absolutely no way that he will ever fight Machida.

I personally think Silva would destroy GSP. GSP would probably have a reach disadvantage for probably the first time ever which he usually takes advantage of since other fighters have to get close to him before they can get in punching range and that means they get into his shooting(wrestling) range.

[Ravens1991]

who was arguably losing to Bisping until he walked into that right.

WTF are you talking about.


Also Henderson would use his wrestling at GnP against Silva.

[JF4]

I cannot get over how beautiful that 2nd knockdown was. WOW!

[Saints 4 Lyfe]

ladies and gents, this is called taking a dive.

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/3562/silvagriffin3.gif

[josh07039]

Obviously I'm biased because I love him, but apparently Forrest had a dislocated jaw from early on in the fight and also couldn't hear out of one of his ears. To say he took a dive is kinda ridiculous. He ran out of the ring because he wasn't going to give an interview with a messed up jaw and he needed to get medical attention.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I really don't wanna see Hendo vs. Silva again. There is just no way he is going to tag Silva with the slow ultra telegraphed right hand. I'd rather see him fight someone else at LHW than Hendo, who was arguably losing to Bisping until he walked into that right.

Henderson isn't an olympic-class wrestler?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

This man had his jaw broken in the fourth round. He proceeded to finish the last eight rounds and won the fight.

Edison Miranda got robbed by the ref.

Anyway, You can go deaf with a dislocated jaw.


To the person who said he took a dive, REALLY?

[Saints 4 Lyfe]

Edison Miranda got robbed by the ref.

Anyway, You can go deaf with a dislocated jaw.


To the person who said he took a dive, REALLY?that wasnt forrest fighting. he's taken worse beatings and never given up.

[Saints 4 Lyfe]

I really don't wanna see Hendo vs. Silva again. There is just no way he is going to tag Silva with the slow ultra telegraphed right hand. I'd rather see him fight someone else at LHW than Hendo, who was arguably losing to Bisping until he walked into that right.
Bisping was nowhere close to winning that fight. LMAO.

[JF4]

that wasnt forrest fighting. he's taken worse beatings and never given up.

With Silva's precision in his strikes and a dislocated jaw to boot, I am not surprised at all with what happened. I can't imagine what happens to a dislocated jaw that is continually punched with smaller mma gloves, and brutal power. But like T2FL points out, with a possibility of going deaf or something much worse happening most people would be doing the same thing.

To say he took a dive is ridiculous and it's not like we haven't seen Forrest run out of the ring after a loss before.

[Saints 4 Lyfe]

With Silva's precision in his strikes and a dislocated jaw to boot, I am not surprised at all with what happened. I can't imagine what happens to a dislocated jaw that is continually punched with smaller mma gloves, and brutal power. But like T2FL points out, with a possibility of going deaf or something much worse happening most people would be doing the same thing.

To say he took a dive is ridiculous and it's not like we haven't seen Forrest run out of the ring after a loss before.

the taking a dive quote was sarcasm. geez come on people. sometimes ya'll really do amaze me.

[JF4]

the taking a dive quote was sarcasm. geez come on people. sometimes ya'll really do amaze me.

Sarcasm is sometimes hard to pick up on these forums, with the amount of trolls around you never know.

[A Perfect Score]

Those Silva gifs are awesome. Didnt Silva come from a boxing background? He sure as **** looks like Roy Jones Jr. out there with his hands down around his waist. So awesome.

Its a shame, because I am a huge fan of Forrest and its upsetting to see him embarrassed like that. I feel sorry for him though, he goes from Rashad Evans, who probably has the scariest knockout power in UFC behind Silva, to the Spider. Those are 2 fights that are pretty intimidating.

As for Silva vs. GSP, it would be a great fight, but I dont think Silva would win as easy as people think. GSP is a great striker in his own right, and just cause he didnt stand around and trade shots with Alves (I wouldnt either, Alves is a manimal), people are forgetting that the man can stand up as well as having a great game. That is a fight Id like to see.

[JF4]

Those Silva gifs are awesome. Didnt Silva come from a boxing background? He sure as **** looks like Roy Jones Jr. out there with his hands down around his waist. So awesome.

Its a shame, because I am a huge fan of Forrest and its upsetting to see him embarrassed like that. I feel sorry for him though, he goes from Rashad Evans, who probably has the scariest knockout power in UFC behind Silva, to the Spider. Those are 2 fights that are pretty intimidating.

As for Silva vs. GSP, it would be a great fight, but I dont think Silva would win as easy as people think. GSP is a great striker in his own right, and just cause he didnt stand around and trade shots with Alves (I wouldnt either, Alves is a manimal), people are forgetting that the man can stand up as well as having a great game. That is a fight Id like to see.

I think if GSP and Silva were to go at it GSP would be smartest to attempt to take Silva to the ground...The reach advantage in the striking would be way too much for GSP to overcome.

[D-Unit]

Sucks that the other 2 Hawaiians lost, but BJ really made the fight worth the money in the end. That's why he's the master. Florian got his ass handed to him. F'n punished. Didn't even land a single punch. His strategy was sad and completely ineffective. Even after the 2nd round when his corner coaches told him to stop it, he still didn't listen and kept running BJ into the cage. That crap didn't tire BJ at all. Then finally BJ took him to the ground and finished him in dominant fashion. After those elbows, Florian looked gross. Today he probably looks like Elephant man.

[A Perfect Score]

According to Wiki, Silva only has a 1 inch reach advantage over GSP. I understand that GSP is used to having a reach advantage, but I dont think 1 inch is anything he wouldnt be able to overcome.

[JF4]

According to Wiki, Silva only has a 1 inch reach advantage over GSP. I understand that GSP is used to having a reach advantage, but I dont think 1 inch is anything he wouldnt be able to overcome.

Proved me wrong. But Silva's use of his straight punches is absolutely amazing as we clearly saw in the Forrest fight he can dodge a couple punches and throw a long straight that can connect with amazing power and accuracy. It kind of gives the impression of a longer reach than he actually has I guess.

GSP's quckness and speed in his standup would be very beneficial in the fight but I think you could also argue Silva might be even faster and quicker.

[Cicero]

Henderson isn't an olympic-class wrestler?

He might be able to lay on him for awhile. I really think the only chance he has to win would be to get lucky with a right hand.

Bisping was nowhere close to winning that fight. LMAO.

You honestly can't see how someone would have had Bisping winning round 1 and/or being ahead in round 2 until the KO?

[JF4]

BTW where the **** is CCBG? Haven't seen a post of his in ages! Spread some knowledge!

[ChezPower4]

Those Silva gifs are awesome. Didnt Silva come from a boxing background? He sure as **** looks like Roy Jones Jr. out there with his hands down around his waist. So awesome.

Its a shame, because I am a huge fan of Forrest and its upsetting to see him embarrassed like that. I feel sorry for him though, he goes from Rashad Evans, who probably has the scariest knockout power in UFC behind Silva, to the Spider. Those are 2 fights that are pretty intimidating.

As for Silva vs. GSP, it would be a great fight, but I dont think Silva would win as easy as people think. GSP is a great striker in his own right, and just cause he didnt stand around and trade shots with Alves (I wouldnt either, Alves is a manimal), people are forgetting that the man can stand up as well as having a great game. That is a fight Id like to see.

I don't know if Silva used to be a boxer but he's got phenomenal boxing skills for an MMA fighter. His movement and counter punching are spot on and like one else in MMA. Combine those two things with 4oz. gloves and really good power and you have the most dangerous striker in MMA. If someone is going to beat him, they are going to have to do it on the ground. Now I'll admit i don't know as many fighters as some of you who post in this thread but I don't think there is anyone that can beat him striking(in his weight class of course)

[Ravens1991]

He might be able to lay on him for awhile. I really think the only chance he has to win would be to get lucky with a right hand.



You honestly can't see how someone would have had Bisping winning round 1 and/or being ahead in round 2 until the KO?



Are you serious now? How the hell do you think Bisping was winning?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

You honestly can't see how someone would have had Bisping winning round 1 and/or being ahead in round 2 until the KO?

Uh, No. He wasn't landing his jab, when he was, it wasn't effective, and Henderson was landing EVERYTHING at the end of the 1st.

[josh07039]

I don't understand how anyone can say that Bisping was beating Henderson, then again, this is the same sport in which 2 judges awarded Bisping the decision against Hamill.

Bisping didn't land anything, he tried to take down Hendo only to be laughed at, and he was close to being finished in the first. Hendo was clearly on his way to winning but decided not to risk going to the judges.

[Saints 4 Lyfe]

I don't know if Silva used to be a boxer but he's got phenomenal boxing skills for an MMA fighter.

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[Saints 4 Lyfe]

the sister of one of the girls posts comments on the video too...

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[Cicero]

Are you serious now? How the hell do you think Bisping was winning?

I said arguably. I could see the first round going either way but I gave it to Hendo and up until he got demolished I had Bisping winning round 2.

[Ravens1991]

how? Hendo had him running like a girl, Hendo won all the flurries also. Bisping also had one of the worst takedown attempts in ages.

[josh07039]

I said arguably. I could see the first round going either way but I gave it to Hendo and up until he got demolished I had Bisping winning round 2. I think you should go back and rewatch that fight. Bisping didn't touch Hendo. Hendo almost knocked him out in the first with a flurry and then destryed him in the second. Neither round was close. You can't cling to the word arguably, because there really is no argument. In Mortal Combat, it wouldv'e been a flawless victory.

[YAYareaRB]

Roy Jones Jr showing some love to Anderson and alluding to a possible bout between the two.

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Personally, I always believed that if any boxer could make the smoothest transition to MMA it would be Roy. I don't know why I would just like to see him in the octagon. If someone would teach him some Kickboxing and Wrestling techniques I think he could be decent.

[djp]

Roy Jones Jr showing some love to Anderson and alluding to a possible bout between the two.

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Personally, I always believed that if any boxer could make the smoothest transition to MMA it would be Roy. I don't know why I would just like to see him in the octagon. If someone would teach him some Kickboxing and Wrestling techniques I think he could be decent.

RJJ would wipe the floor with Anderson. I love Silva, but he'd get destroyed by RJJ imo

[YAYareaRB]

RJJ would wipe the floor with Anderson. I love Silva, but he'd get destroyed by RJJ imo

Wouldn't you love to see RJJ in MMA?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Wouldn't you love to see RJJ in MMA?

Takedown ---> Sub

[YAYareaRB]

Takedown ---> Sub

I know that of course, but like I said in my first post.. it's possible for him to work on those.

[A Perfect Score]

Ugh. I hate this argument. It happens every 3 months around here somewhere, either in this thread or others. In a boxing match, the boxer wins. In an MMA match, with 8 points of attack and a ground option, the MMA fighter wins. Boxers simply arent trained to defend against the kicks and ground games that MMA fighters are used to. And lets face it, the boxing/movement styles that boxers use are far superior to that which MMA fighters are used to.

[djp]

I can't get over how awesome that 2nd knockdown was. Just phenomenal.

[HChu]

Bowles rocked the **** out of Torres. Torres just didn't respect Bowles' power.

[YAYareaRB]

Ugh. I hate this argument. It happens every 3 months around here somewhere, either in this thread or others. In a boxing match, the boxer wins. In an MMA match, with 8 points of attack and a ground option, the MMA fighter wins. Boxers simply arent trained to defend against the kicks and ground games that MMA fighters are used to. And lets face it, the boxing/movement styles that boxers use are far superior to that which MMA fighters are used to.

But you're saying it like these things can't be worked on.

[josh07039]

But you're saying it like these things can't be worked on.Just to use the example of Roy Jones and Anderson Silva. Anderson has been training as an MMA fighter for years. Muay Thai, Boxing, BJJ, etc are second nature for him. Roy Jones is a naturally talented fighter, there is no debating that in terms of boxing and footwork, Silva isn't on the same level. However, Roy Jones could train 24 hours a day for a year and he wouldn't be able to match Silva's well rounded fighting in an mma bout.

[Rob S]

RJJ is old and not that good anymore. I have no interest seeing him fight MMA, he isnt even a top 10 boxer at his weight anymore. The boxers I would most like to see give MMA a shot are probably the Pac Man, Paul Williams, and Edwin Valero.

[josh07039]

RJJ is old and not that good anymore. I have no interest seeing him fight MMA, he isnt even a top 10 boxer at his weight anymore. The boxers I would most like to see give MMA a shot are probably the Pac Man, Paul Williams, and Edwin Valero.I wonder if down the road, we could see a top guy cross over from boxing to mma or visa versa. I think before that happens, the mma pay scale would have to get closer to boxing(that will take time). I really do wonder how a top boxer with a year or so of wrestling for takedown defense could do in mma.

I'm curious to see if Mayweather will ever back up his **** talking and try some kind of mma bout. Even if it was in a ring and the rules weren't exactly mma, i would be interested in seeing him do it.

[nrk]

I just saw the Silva vs. Griffin fight. It was exactly what I wanted to see. I can't stand Griffin.

[fenikz]

BTW for anyone who didn't watch WEC card, every fight on it was a war and I can't wait until the WEC is merged

[thetedginnshow]

This MMA group that I think is Northwest-based called Alliance Fights is having an event here in Washington. I think I'm going to go. Should be exciting.

[Rob S]

WEC is always amazing........they just put out consistently great stuff. Lighter weights are where its at......I dont understand America's fascination with HW.......

[E-Man]

I find it funny how Anderson Silva gets hated on because Dana hypes him up. People need to let some things go. Anderson becomes the only man to beat top 5 guys in 3 weight classes, and people act like beating Forrest is nothing. Forres isn't the greatest fighter in the world, but he's a legit top guy at 205. It's not about what he didn't do in the fight. It's about the fact that Anderson just might be the best MMA has seen so far. Looking at what he's accomplished in his career, it's hard not to admire what the man has done. I hate how many fans don't appreciate fighters for dumb reasons.

I also find it funny that Torres is being called overrated now. The guy hasn't lost in 5 years. Bowles is just superb to beat a guy like that. It's pretty funny how Frank Mir said almost nothing when Torres got beat. The guy sounded like someone who found out that Santa isn't real. We need pics of him after the event. lol


And did anybody else catch Dominic Cruz using capoeira Sunday? I thought it was pretty sweet looking.

[Ravens1991]

who did Silva beat? when you said he beat top 5 guys in 3 weight classes?

[E-Man]

who did Silva beat? when you said he beat top 5 guys in 3 weight classes?

He was the first guy to beat Hayato Sakurai, and back then Sakurai was ranked number 1 at welterweight. At least I think he was, because this was right before before Matt Hughes had his legendary reign. If Sakurai wasn't number 1, he was ranked number 3 at worst. He also beat another top ten guy in Tesuji Kato, and Kato was another top ten guy I believe. Rankings back then are hard to find, so the Kato thing is one that's up in the air. Sakurai however was always ranked pretty high.

Obviously he's wrecked many a guy at middleweight. Not much to say there, and now he beat a consensus top 5 guy in Forrest at 205.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

I find it funny how Anderson Silva gets hated on because Dana hypes him up. People need to let some things go. Anderson becomes the only man to beat top 5 guys in 3 weight classes, and people act like beating Forrest is nothing. Forres isn't the greatest fighter in the world, but he's a legit top guy at 205. It's not about what he didn't do in the fight. It's about the fact that Anderson just might be the best MMA has seen so far. Looking at what he's accomplished in his career, it's hard not to admire what the man has done. I hate how many fans don't appreciate fighters for dumb reasons.

I also find it funny that Torres is being called overrated now. The guy hasn't lost in 5 years. Bowles is just superb to beat a guy like that. It's pretty funny how Frank Mir said almost nothing when Torres got beat. The guy sounded like someone who found out that Santa isn't real. We need pics of him after the event. lol


And did anybody else catch Dominic Cruz using capoeira Sunday? I thought it was pretty sweet looking.

Yea there is no way he is over-rated. He is still my favorite WEC fighter. He had Bowles rocked and got caught with a hook that dropped him. IMO he was winning the fight and he got a little cocky and kept coming in. I don't know how many people had Bowles winning that fight but I think ALOT of people were shocked with how that fight went down.

[Rob S]

Torres is sick, no doubt. I just hope this didnt break his chin, because if it did it could be an Arlovski like fall.

[E-Man]

Man when Torres started chasing Bowles I got worried. Bowles got Torres good early in that fight, and I was hoping that Torres would be more cautious after that. He had Bowles stunned, but Bowles has got some serious power. He certainly lived up to the hype for sure, and I can't wait for the rematch. I'm sure Torres will fight once and get a rematch if Bowles successfully defends once. The bright side of things is that a Torres/Faber matchup has gotten closer to fruition. If Torres loses twice to Bowles, and Brown being champ keeps Faber from regaining the 145 crown, a catchweight fight could be good for both of them. Of course we still have to wonder how Aldo will do against Brown in November. Man WEC has some seriously exciting matchups in the future.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

Torres is sick, no doubt. I just hope this didnt break his chin, because if it did it could be an Arlovski like fall.

This could also lead to a GSP thing. GSP got dropped and it took him a couple fights to get his confidence on his feet back but now he is better than ever. I mean I think he will be fine because if he can't stand up the whole fight he can just go to the ground. I love guys that are good on the ground and the feet.

[fenikz]

takes a sec to load but its worth it

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m258/Wotan1105/runforrest.gif

[SugarSean]

takes a sec to load but its worth it

http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m258/Wotan1105/runforrest.gif

Rogan's face takes it to another level of funny.

[El Peefs?????]

ESPN MMA Live Curse

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_8sapMW_W6ok/SoLCYWIGw9I/AAAAAAAABXo/HSsh8v3YtxI/s1600/mmalivecurse3.jpg

[YAYareaRB]

Anyone hear of the EA Sports MMA game? Supposedly Dana White is blacklisting anyone who signs with them so that they never can fight in UFC. So far Fedor and Babalu have signed among others.

[bernbabybern820]

This could also lead to a GSP thing. GSP got dropped and it took him a couple fights to get his confidence on his feet back but now he is better than ever. I mean I think he will be fine because if he can't stand up the whole fight he can just go to the ground. I love guys that are good on the ground and the feet.

True but ever since he got Serra'd GSP has been more of a i'm going to take you down over and over and over again instead of a 50/50 balance of striking and wrestling.

[Rob S]

True but ever since he got Serra'd GSP has been more of a i'm going to take you down over and over and over again instead of a 50/50 balance of striking and wrestling.

very true. Thank God GSP actually works from guard, that all I have to see. He could be a L&P machine if he wanted to.

[YAYareaRB]

I can't wait for the Rampage vs Rashad. I can't wait for the upcoming TUF. I just want to see how well Kimbo Slice matches up with other established HW.

[Ravens1991]

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs156.snc1/5811_129072759032_630249032_2420084_1422889_n.jpg


GSP w/ fans.

anyone else distrubed by that guy on the right.

[El Peefs?????]

WTF IS THAT THING on THE RIGHT

GET IT AWAY GET IT AWAY GET IT AWAY

[Caddy]

That guy is creepy. He's like a roided up, bald guido.

[A Perfect Score]

I wanna see him fight GSP.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Lol that guys head is so small.

[fenikz]

anyone watching strikeforce?

[josh07039]

anyone watching strikeforce?Yes sir. Already saw UFC 100, no need to watch it again.

[thetedginnshow]

Oh god. I had never heard that Cyborg talk. She's like Ivan Drago.

[josh07039]

Oh god. I had never heard that Cyborg talk. She's like Ivan Drago.She just weirds me out. I know it's all sexist and all, but she looks like aw big time tranny. When she was being interviewed I had to flip over to coleman bonnar, because its just off putting.

[WMD]

Is that fight about to start?

[fenikz]

Mousasi is such a ******* beast, if only he had any comp in dream or strikeforce

ya Carano is next, ill probably stop watching now though

[josh07039]

Is that fight about to start?

Carano and Cyborg is the only fight left on the main card, so i guess it is either next or a prelim bout will air before it.

[WMD]

I've got a bad stream. Can someone hook me up with a good one?

[josh07039]

Mousasi is such a ******* beast, if only he had any comp in dream or strikeforceI know, I am really happy about it, and aren't we allowed to talk about the event when it's live, whats with the spoiler?

[jared]

never mind, i erred in posting a link

[josh07039]

justin.tv has a few to choose from. it's a good streamI dont care, but i would delete that post and pm it. Its technically against the rules and some people get pissed.

[fenikz]

alot of people dont watch the fights live, most of them are smart and avoid the thread but i still dont want to be the guy who spoils a fight for someone

[josh07039]

alot of people dont watch the fights live, most of them are smart and avoid the thread but i still dont want to be the guy who spoils a fight for someoneI guess, but dont we usually discuss during a card? Im not arguing or anything, but i just seem to recall people reacting to fights as they happen and it never being a problem. I thought we even did for UFC 101?

[WMD]

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fenikz]

what did you expect, strikeforce hypes up people who are undeserving, Mousasi v Sobral or Melendez v Ishida should of been the main event

[thetedginnshow]

whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

[josh07039]

Not really an unexpected result. Think about it.

[jayceheathman]

Not really an unexpected result. Think about it.

It was obvious although it was a crappy way to lose a fight by less than a second. Santos is a beast. She destroys Carano in strength. Everyone just wanted Carano because she looks good. Carano is definitely flexible. She got out of that ankle lock and arm bar with ease. I thought her ankle was broken and it didnt phase her at all.

[WMD]

Yeah, during the fight you could tell Cyborg was the better fighter. I've never seen her go before so I didn't know what to expect with her.. But she looked pretty good.

[E-Man]

Man, Mousasi is my boy, but his hype is getting way out of hand now. I missed the fight, but from I hear it sounds ultra impressive.

[CashmoneyDrew]

I could care less about the result, as long as Gina's face doesn't/isn't messed up....

[fenikz]

Man, Mousasi is my boy, but his hype is getting way out of hand now. I missed the fight, but from I hear it sounds ultra impressive.

he is a great fighter and i have no doubt in my mind he would be a contender as a MW or LHW in the UFC but he really does need to go to an organization with some sort of competition

[JF4]

he is a great fighter and i have no doubt in my mind he would be a contender as a MW or LHW in the UFC but he really does need to go to an organization with some sort of competition

Definitely needs to get to the UFC asap..Just checked into his whole contract deal and Joe Silva mentioned, as most of you know, that he was told not to go after anyone who has a deal with the EA and there new MMA video game. So I don't really know what to think about it. It will probably be at least another year or two if he ever does come to the UFC.

[jayceheathman]

http://photos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc1/hs156.snc1/5811_129072759032_630249032_2420084_1422889_n.jpg


GSP w/ fans.

anyone else distrubed by that guy on the right.

Cyborg could beat the freak on the right. :)

[jayceheathman]

I could care less about the result, as long as Gina's face doesn't/isn't messed up....

It wasnt too bad. She had a couple cuts and bruises but she blocked her face up really well before she lost. Even though Gina's face got beat up you still have AQ.

[djp]

Gus Johnson is an EPIC MMA announcer

[josh07039]

Gus Johnson is an EPIC MMA announcer I actually don't really care for him, but he was better yesterday basically because he didn't say "This isn't boxing" 50 million times likes he usually does.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Gus Johnson is an EPIC MMA announcer

Hah all I can remember him saying is, "Seth Petruzelli just knocked out Kimbo Slice."

Anyways I'm glad that I didn't have to pay any extra to get the card. It was pretty terrible. Babalou was embarrassing. I mean cover up dude. Mousasi is just standing over you throwing bombs how about covering up. Also the Gina and Cyborg fight kind of sucked. Gina had Cyborg full mounted twice and was pounding on her but decided to stand up in which she was getting demolished. I have nothing against the ladies fighting but the future of women's fighting looks dim. It's just far too sloppy. I mean Cyborg took down Gina and somehow ended up in a full mount position, lol. With the face of women's MMA down, I wouldn't be surprised if we didn't see women's MMA for a while.

[bernbabybern820]

It was obvious although it was a crappy way to lose a fight by less than a second. Santos is a beast. She destroys Carano in strength. Everyone just wanted Carano because she looks good. Carano is definitely flexible. She got out of that ankle lock and arm bar with ease. I thought her ankle was broken and it didnt phase her at all.

It's actually a heel hook and creates torque on your knee.

This probably had a lot to do with the outcome of the fight.

Cyborg:
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Gina:
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It's crazy how doing battle ropes for even less than a minute drains you.

[jayceheathman]

It's actually a heel hook and creates torque on your knee.

This probably had a lot to do with the outcome of the fight.

Cyborg:
ire6PrifDvY

Gina:
RP_CVyQi7_c&


It's crazy how doing battle ropes for even less than a minute drains you.

Gina should have been doing more of Cyborg's workout.

[CashmoneyDrew]

I saw the fight. It didn't look as one-sided as it was made out to be. I wish the ref would've let it go to round 2.

[josh07039]

I saw the fight. It didn't look as one-sided as it was made out to be. I wish the ref would've let it go to round 2.Nah, that fight needed to be stopped right there. Gina was talking a beating and if it weren't for the timing, the stoppage wouldn't have been an issue. Gina wasn't moving the way I thought she would need to. She didn't get in and out of Cyborg's range which was something she needed to do. However, I have a feeling a rematch would go the same way.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Hmm Chuck... http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=4403837

Well at least it means he'll probably stay retired.

[josh07039]

Hmm Chuck... http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=4403837

Well at least it means he'll probably stay retired.
Nah, that's his first step to getting back in the octagon. Learning how to dance is going to make his footwork so much better. He's completely changing his style and finally going to try to not get hit in the face.

But seriously, that doesn't really matter in terms of if he retires or not. He said he wanted to take the year off and let his brain heal, and I guess he figures that dancing with the stars can pass the time. I'm conflicted about it, but I think we will see Chuck fight one more time at least.

[E-Man]

Hmm Chuck... http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/news/story?id=4403837

Well at least it means he'll probably stay retired.

I see some hilarious photoshops in the future coming from this.

[E-Man]

I finally saw the Cyborg/Carano and Babalu/Mousasi fights.

Cybrog vs. Carano was a sad joke. They looked really sloppy, and I didn't expect that. The stoppage was legit too. People act like picking Carano was foolish, or that you were only into her looks. I've never gone gaga over Gina's looks, and she's still a good fighter. I thought she used her strength against bigger opponents better than Cyborg, but Cyborg was just better all around.

Mousasi was impressive against Babalu. We already knew he had talent, but this is the first time he has beat a top 10 opponent. I personally had Babalu at top 10, but not everyone did. Either way, he was looked at as a lower top 10 to borderline guy, so this shows Mousasi was legit if anyone doubted him before. The only thing is that people are taking this way too far. He'd get wrecked by Anderson and Machida, and I think he'd lose to Rampage, Rashad, and Forrest. He hasn't fought anyone with quick hands besides Manhoef in MMA yet, and the UFC has wrestlers that have just that. Too many top guys in UFC that can outbox him while keeping on the feet at 205. He can beat them, but they'd give him some serious fits. He needs to be like every prospect and take things slow. If he fought Anderson or Machida now, he'd get killed and humiliated badly. He's always kept his hands low. Do people think a guy like Machida wouldn't eat that alive?

[Ravens1991]

http://bmacboston.com/images/wand51.jpg


Wand after plastic surgery. God that is odd

[E-Man]

I hope that pic is a photoshop. Wand doesn't look human there.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

There is no official confirmation but there are rumors floating around that Shane Carwin has been pulled from the Cain fight and is going straight to UFC 106 now to face Lesnar. If true, it all seems kind of weird for this change this close to UFC 104 when the match between he and Cain seemingly was for the #1 contender. Still though I like the idea. I didn't like him facing Cain this early on in their careers. This way if Carwin looses to Brock, Cain could be next in line. I do still think Brock and Carwin would be an interesting fight and probably get out of the 3rd round. Carwin would be the strongest fighter Brock has had to face. Additionally in standup I would give Brock the advantage in hand speed but Carwin has proven to have a pretty nice chin, and potential knock out power.

[YAYareaRB]

There is no official confirmation but there are rumors floating around that Shane Carwin has been pulled from the Cain fight and is going straight to UFC 106 now to face Lesnar. If true, it all seems kind of weird for this change this close to UFC 104 when the match between he and Cain seemingly was for the #1 contender. Still though I like the idea. I didn't like him facing Cain this early on in their careers. This way if Carwin looses to Brock, Cain could be next in line. I do still think Brock and Carwin would be an interesting fight and probably get out of the 3rd round. Carwin would be the strongest fighter Brock has had to face. Additionally in standup I would give Brock the advantage in hand speed but Carwin has proven to have a pretty nice chin, and potential knock out power.

Cain got hurt during training.

[E-Man]

I'm a little disappointed that the fight won't happen. Both are still pretty green, but the thin level of the heavyweight division has them as the legit number one contenders. I would've liked to see Carwin's wrestling tested against Cain, but looks like we'll find out against Lesnar. I'm sure UFC will hype the **** out of this fight.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Cain got hurt during training.

I can't find the link right now but from the article I was reading yesterday it said that no clear reason was given for the switch and Cain's camp said that Cain is 100% physically. So not sure.

Anyways even though he's unproven, while it might not be as big of a draw I sure as hell would rather see Brock and Carwin tangle horns than Brock take on the ancient winner of the Randy Nog fight. Dana will do a good job though at promoting Carwin to the casual fan as the freak of nature athlete capable of hanging with Brock. I think this could be a very exciting fight. I like Carwin's chances against Brock more than Cain's on a pure strength basis even though Cain is the better technical wrestler.

[YAYareaRB]

I can't find the link right now but from the article I was reading yesterday it said that no clear reason was given for the switch and Cain's camp said that Cain is 100% physically. So not sure.

Anyways even though he's unproven, while it might not be as big of a draw I sure as hell would rather see Brock and Carwin tangle horns than Brock take on the ancient winner of the Randy Nog fight. Dana will do a good job though at promoting Carwin to the casual fan as the freak of nature athlete capable of hanging with Brock. I think this could be a very exciting fight. I like Carwin's chances against Brock more than Cain's on a pure strength basis even though Cain is the better technical wrestler.

I can't either.. I just read off of wikipedia. lol

[JF4]

I can't either.. I just read off of wikipedia. lol

http://mmajunkie.com/news/15921/brock-lesnar-and-shane-carwin-in-discussions-to-meet-at-ufc-106-in-las-vegas.mma

It says Cain will remain on the 104 card but a replacement fighter hasn't been named. Of course this is still all in discussion and nothing is set in stone. BTW Carwin is my current favorite HW other than Couture dude has the biggest KO power I have ever seen. And I think if anyone takes out Brock it's gonna be him.

Also I am waiting to see who they find to replace Wanderlei in a fight against Bisping now that Silva got his surgery done.

[E-Man]

Looks like it's official.

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news/lesnar-carwin-to-headline-ufc-106-19217

UFC heavyweight champion Brock Lesnar will meet Shane Carwin in his second title defense at UFC 106 on Nov. 21 at the Mandalay Bay Events Center in Las Vegas.

Sherdog.com has confirmed the news through several sources with knowledge of the agreement. MMAMadness.com was the first to report on the card shift that will see Carwin move from a scheduled bout against Cain Velasquez at UFC 104.

Carwin has not answered calls for comment, but posted a message on his official Web Site Wednesday night.

“I can't confirm or deny anything. I can just tell you guys that I am training harder then ever and your support and loyalty will carry me through any fight they send my way,” he wrote.

Scheduling problems led to the dissolution of the previously agreed to Carwin-Velazquez matchup, according to a UFC source speaking anonymously because they were not authorized speak.

Lesnar, the company’s top pay-per-view draw, had minor surgery after defeating Frank Mir in July, creating uncertainty as to when he would be available to fight again.

His quick recovery allowed the promotion to bring him back in November, but with all of the top heavyweights already scheduled to fight, it was necessary to break up one of those bouts.

Carwin became a buzzworthy suitor for the champion following swift first-round technical knockouts over Neil Wain at UFC 89 and Gabriel Gonzaga at UFC 96. Carwin, a 1999 NCAA Div. II wrestling champion, battled back from an early knockdown from the Brazilian to finish Gonzaga with his heavy hands.

Lesnar, 32, unified the heavyweight title and avenged his only loss with a second-round drubbing of former interim champion Frank Mir at UFC 100 last July. Lesnar, a 2000 NCAA Div. I heavyweight champion, won the title against perennial competitor Randy Couture by second-round TKO at UFC 91 last November. It was the former World Wrestling Entertainment star’s fourth professional bout.

Sherdog also says that Cain will fight Ben Rothwell at UFC 104 instead. I guess it really is to let Cain get some more wins under his belt.

[Ravens1991]

yea I am excited to see Cain fight, he is a young exciting fighter.

[thetedginnshow]

Oh so the MMA thing I'm going to this Saturday... I guess Anderson Silva is making an appearance. No biiiiiig deal. I might just nut myself. :o

[Saints 4 Lyfe]

so i was watching UFC 75 Champ vs Champ and no way did Bisping beat Hamill. At worst it was a draw. At best Hamill wins.

[E-Man]

The Bisping Hamill decision was the worst I've ever seen. I have no idea how the judges saw it in favor of Bisping. That fight is what got Bisping alot of heat. It's not his fault that the judges screwed Hamill over, but acting like a douche afterwards really hurt him. It's one thing to be happy to win, it's another to act like he did.

[josh07039]

so i was watching UFC 75 Champ vs Champ and no way did Bisping beat Hamill. At worst it was a draw. At best Hamill wins.I disagree, at worst it was 29-28 Unanimous decision for Hamill and at best, it was 30-27. Hamill beat him both on the feet and with takedowns. I'm so glad Bisping got his ass handed to him by Hendo. Bisping jawing off about proving that he was the true ultimate fighter after beating Hamill was just ********. In his heart, he knew that he lost that fight, but he still acted like a ****.

[Saints 4 Lyfe]

wasn't that fight in London? if so that could say alot.

[Ravens1991]

yea it still pisses me off when he started talking **** saying go back to wrestling. I am glad he got his head knocked off by a wrestler.

[E-Man]

Just watched a piece the local ABC affiliate did on TUF 10 cast member Justin Wren. Apparently he's from around here, and he was also the Viking in the Snikcers commercials. lol They talked about how he wrestled in high school, and how it helped him get into MMA. He has a 10-1 record(Sherdog and Wiki have 6-1) with all of his listed wins coming by way of stoppages. He's pretty young too at 22, so he may be a nice prospect. He'll be my hometown guy to root for, kinda like King Mo.

[Saints 4 Lyfe]

Just watched a piece the local ABC affiliate did on TUF 10 cast member Justin Wren. Apparently he's from around here, and he was also the Viking in the Snikcers commercials. lol They talked about how he wrestled in high school, and how it helped him get into MMA. He has a 10-1 record(Sherdog and Wiki have 6-1) with all of his listed wins coming by way of stoppages. He's pretty young too at 22, so he may be a nice prospect. He'll be my hometown guy to root for, kinda like King Mo.

this one?

http://i490.photobucket.com/albums/rr262/bigrigga31/SnickersViking.gif

[E-Man]

Yeah that's the one. He's that guy. lol

[josh07039]

Yeah that's the one. He's that guy. lolWell now that I know that, he just earned himself another fan. I love that crazy viking bastard.

[Ward]

I'm going to a BJJ class tomorrow with a friend from work. If I like the instructors and the gym vibe, I'll pay for the class. The gym also offers boxing and muay thai instruction as well. The coolest part was that I got to see the BJJ instructor win a local MMA fight before I go in there (with the help of Comcast On Demand). He didn't even throw a punch. The guy tried to strike at him a couple of times, instructor takes him down to the mat, after a minute or so of struggling with the guy locks in the rear naked choke. Pretty good ad for the gym. I'll let ppl know how it goes if any are interested.

[Ravens1991]

sure tell us how it goes. I am interested in BJJ as well, if I dont make the college wrestling team or when I am out of wrestling I will definetly want to try ti out.

[SuperMcGee]

I've gone to a few BJJ classes. I like what I've learned and it's a good time, but I'm easily the smallest guy there. But they like having me so I can match up with the girl that attends :/
There are some really good dudes there. Some others just spend the whole time going for the RNC once you get to free ground work. I'm still in a very cerebral stage with what I'm doing, but I've pulled a few nice moves. I need to get bigger and work on keeping my control, but it's something I like doing a lot.

And I love how often Hamill-Bisping comes up. Such a notoriously awful decision.

[YAYareaRB]

I love how convenient UFC Unleashed is. It informs and reminds at the same time.

[Saints 4 Lyfe]

Anderson Silva as a heavyweight? If so, R.I.P. Frank Mir

BTW what is the weight requirements for heavyweight?

Anderson Silva wants big-money event fights. And he's willing to work at heavyweight to make sure they happen.

Prior to Silva's flooring Forrest Griffin earlier this month in Philadelphia, SI.com confirmed that Silva's representatives had spoken with Zuffa about the heralded UFC middleweight champion moving up to heavyweight for the first time in his career.

Not only that, they already had an opponent in mind: Frank Mir.

Disinterested by middleweight contenders Nathan Marquardt, Demian Maia and Dan Henderson, and unwilling to fight close friend Lyoto Machida at light heavyweight -- where Silva could conceivably knock off challengers and make a disaster out of the UFC's marquee division -- "The Spider" needs new, challenging scenarios to stay motivated. A move to heavyweight would certainly achieve that, and according to Silva's manager Ed Soares, the UFC was receptive to the idea.

Based on longevity and dominance, the label of MMA's best fighter has arguably belonged to Russian heavyweight Fedor Emelianenko for the past few years. However, the gap between Emelianenko and Silva has closed to a photo finish. And if the UFC can be convinced tha a move to heavyweight is the right plan as 185 sorts itself out, Silva could set himself up to supplant Emelianenko as the sport's best.

It would indeed be impressive for a former world champion at 167 pounds to climb all the way to heavyweight. If he gets his way and beats Mir, that would set up blockbusters against Mirko "Cro Cop" Filipovic, or, dare we say it, Brock Lesnar, a fight Silva would accept if the money is right.


http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/josh_gross/08/20/anderson.silva.heavyweight/index.html?eref=T1#ixzz0OlAn5dSQ

[E-Man]

I don't think Anderson should go to heavyweight. I'm a huge Anderson fan, an I'd be excited for it, but I don't think he has the frame for heavyweight. He's got a pretty slender frame that might fit well at 205, but heavy might get him out muscled.

[MaxV]

Well, if he doesn't want to challenge Machida, then it doesn't make sense for him to stay at LHW, although there are some potential nice matchups for him.

[E-Man]

I'm probably in the minority with this, but I want Anderson to defend his title again. He's one more win away from breaking that record, and I want to see history made. That 6th title defense is always a *****, and I want to see if Anderson could overcome it. I know he can. I think he can, but I want to see it. Plus a fight with Maia is very very intriguing to me. I've seen him against Marquardt and Hendo, and I think he'd beat them again. With Maia we get something new, and a really deadly ground guy. If Maia gets past Nate I'd want to see him take on Anderson. Sure there are some good matchups for Anderson at 205 and there's Cro Cop at heavyweight, but I want him to get that 6th defense first. I feel the same aboutGSP. Screw moving up for him. Let him beat Matt Hughes record, and then we can talk about moving up.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Anderson Silva as a heavyweight? If so, R.I.P. Frank Mir

BTW what is the weight requirements for heavyweight?




http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/josh_gross/08/20/anderson.silva.heavyweight/index.html?eref=T1#ixzz0OlAn5dSQ

Anderson is obviously the best fighter in the world but I don't understand this notion that he would murder Frank Mir. Obviously in stand up he would most likely pick apart Mir, but on the ground as good as the spider's JJ is if Mir got it to the ground he would sub the spider easy. Even someone like Cheick Kongo would be a dangerous match. If he got Kongo to the ground he would submit him in 5 seconds but I've only seen Anderson maybe once or twice actually take someone down and taking down a guy as big as Kongo would be hard. And if they were to stand toe to toe just Kongo's length and kickboxing would be a huge danger to Anderson. I just don't think Anderson fighting lighter heavyweights is a good idea. But Brandon Vera did do pretty well as a HW and he has a similar frame to Anderson while Anderson possesses superior skills. I think Anderson just finishes his contract defending his MW title and then retires or goes to boxing.

[Rob S]

I want to see a rematch with Hendo. Only guy I can really see taking him out.

[fenikz]

Well part of that is he only has a few fights left on his contract(I'm thinking 4) so they want to get their moneys worth

[YAYareaRB]

Anderson is obviously the best fighter in the world but I don't understand this notion that he would murder Frank Mir. Obviously in stand up he would most likely pick apart Mir, but on the ground as good as the spider's JJ is if Mir got it to the ground he would sub the spider easy. Even someone like Cheick Kongo would be a dangerous match. If he got Kongo to the ground he would submit him in 5 seconds but I've only seen Anderson maybe once or twice actually take someone down and taking down a guy as big as Kongo would be hard. And if they were to stand toe to toe just Kongo's length and kickboxing would be a huge danger to Anderson. I just don't think Anderson fighting lighter heavyweights is a good idea. But Brandon Vera did do pretty well as a HW and he has a similar frame to Anderson while Anderson possesses superior skills. I think Anderson just finishes his contract defending his MW title and then retires or goes to boxing.

I think Anderson's take down defense is good enough to put him over Mir. I may be in the minority here.

I wish he could have fought Machida.

[thetedginnshow]

Oh so went to the MMA thing. It was awesome. Look out for Mario Miranda! I think he's either going into UFC or Strikeforce or something like that. Silva was there. That was awesome. Seats were great, especially for $25. Definitely trying to go to an event again.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

UFC 104 bouts announced:

MAIN CARD:
LHW Championship:
Lyoto Machida vs. Mauricio Rua
Cain Velasquez vs. Ben Rothwell
Sean Sherk vs. Gleison Tibau
Joe Stevenson vs. Spencer Fisher
Anthony Johnson vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

PRELIM CARD:
Antoni Hardonk vs. Pat Barry
Yushin Okami vs. Chael Sonnen
Jorge Rivera vs. Rob Kimmons
Ryan Bader vs. Eric Schafer
Kyle Kingsbury vs. Razak Al-Hassan
Stefan Struve vs. Chase Gormley

I think it is a pretty decent card. I personally though am not a fan of the Machida/Shogun fight and don't think he deserved a title shot yet, but I am rooting for a Machida round 1 KO. Obviously the Cain fight has me bummed a bit now that Carwin is fighting Brock. Rothwell is pretty solid but I just can't see him avoiding being dominated by Cain for 3 rounds. The Sherk/Tibau fight I'm not all too excited about. Tibau just got out pointed by Melvin Guillard so seeing him fight a better wrestler and superior mma fighter doesn't appeal to me. He always has a shot at pulling off a sub but this fight would have been a lot more exciting if I hadn't just watched the Tibau/Guillard fight recently which was kind of boring. Joe Daddy vs Spencer Fisher I think has potential to be a very exciting fight especially seeing Stevenson bounce back nicely against Diaz on that fight night card that Diego headlined. I'm super excited to see Anthony Johnson back and his fight could be one of the best fights of the night. Yoshida has some nice Gnp and submissions and other from that nasty Kos KO in which I thought he was dead he has been a very good fighter. If this keeps standing AJ might just kick his head off.

The undercard is also very nice. I wish the Okami/Sonnen fight was on the live broadcast broadcast but it probably go to decision and won't be shown. Whoever loses the Hardonk and Barry fight could be out of the UFC especially if Hardonk loses. Also it will be nice to see Ryan Bader back in the ring although Eric Schafer should be a pretty tough test for him.

[ironman4579]

UFC 104 bouts announced:

MAIN CARD:
LHW Championship:
Lyoto Machida vs. Mauricio Rua
Cain Velasquez vs. Ben Rothwell
Sean Sherk vs. Gleison Tibau
Joe Stevenson vs. Spencer Fisher
Anthony Johnson vs. Yoshiyuki Yoshida

PRELIM CARD:
Antoni Hardonk vs. Pat Barry
Yushin Okami vs. Chael Sonnen
Jorge Rivera vs. Rob Kimmons
Ryan Bader vs. Eric Schafer
Kyle Kingsbury vs. Razak Al-Hassan
Stefan Struve vs. Chase Gormley

I think it is a pretty decent card. I personally though am not a fan of the Machida/Shogun fight and don't think he deserved a title shot yet, but I am rooting for a Machida round 1 KO. Obviously the Cain fight has me bummed a bit now that Carwin is fighting Brock. Rothwell is pretty solid but I just can't see him avoiding being dominated by Cain for 3 rounds. The Sherk/Tibau fight I'm not all too excited about. Tibau just got out pointed by Melvin Guillard so seeing him fight a better wrestler and superior mma fighter doesn't appeal to me. He always has a shot at pulling off a sub but this fight would have been a lot more exciting if I hadn't just watched the Tibau/Guillard fight recently which was kind of boring. Joe Daddy vs Spencer Fisher I think has potential to be a very exciting fight especially seeing Stevenson bounce back nicely against Diaz on that fight night card that Diego headlined. I'm super excited to see Anthony Johnson back and his fight could be one of the best fights of the night. Yoshida has some nice Gnp and submissions and other from that nasty Kos KO in which I thought he was dead he has been a very good fighter. If this keeps standing AJ might just kick his head off.

The undercard is also very nice. I wish the Okami/Sonnen fight was on the live broadcast broadcast but it probably go to decision and won't be shown. Whoever loses the Hardonk and Barry fight could be out of the UFC especially if Hardonk loses. Also it will be nice to see Ryan Bader back in the ring although Eric Schafer should be a pretty tough test for him.

I have a few thoughts, but the main one is that I really wish the Okami/Sonnen fight was on the main card.

[fenikz]

WAR SHOGUN!

God I hope he wins, and then some how beats Silva

No way I see shogun getting KOed in the 1st, especially by Machida, Evans was stupid and had no game plan, Shogun has fought 10x the comp that Evans has and has never been KOed, if he loses it will be after he gasses(sadly which is like the 2nd round now) and I would guess he loses by submission

[YAYareaRB]

Yeah.. That card is pretty nice

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

Machida TKO beginning of the 2nd round. I think Machida will wear down Shogun faster than he normally gasses. Machida doesn't have a problem running around dodging punches and kicks. I just think Shogun will throw everything he has in the 1st and Machida will just trash him in the 2nd.

[fenikz]

Shogun via GnP round 2 :)

[SeanTaylorRIP]

So Rogers+Fedor has been signed as his first strikeforce fight. Bleh. Granted though in mma anyone has a punchers chance at a KO, and Rogers optimizes that greater than any other fighter out there. If and when it gets to the ground I expect him to get sub'd real quick although tbh I haven't really even seen what Rogers is like on the ground. He definitely has wicked knockout power though but other than the Arlovski 20 second fight the rest of his opponents have been scrubs. BTW what's the deal with Overeem? I know he's the Heavyweight champion but when the hell was the last time he fought in strikeforce. I know he was supposed to fight Werdum but got injured.

[Ravens1991]

I know he has had a couple fights in Japan. I wish we could see him in the UFC he is a beast.

[Ward]

My BJJ class is pretty fun, I'm definitely going to pony up for a month's worth of classes. I went two days in a row, Monday & Tuesday and today it feels like I was in a car wreck. The guys there are really cool and the instructor is enthusiastic and seems pretty knowledgeable. The only things that worry me are my chances of getting hurt, and that he's only a purple belt. He seems extremely well versed and is good at giving instructions, but that's not very high up there in rank. Anyone who practices BJJ have any thoughts on this? Obviously he's someone I could learn a lot from, I just want to know if I'm shortchanging myself by not seeking out a more qualified instructor. Regarding safety, I've got a cup/compression short combo that I'm using underneath my shorts, but I haven't invested in the mouthpiece yet because I haven't taken any blows to the head that would even come close to warranting it. I might try to add one a little later when my conditioning improves.

[Ravens1991]

wear head gear, I know some people do so they dont get cauliflower ear. I have gotten some from wrestling and it feels real wierd.


I think the best head gear is this

http://www.thewrestlingtalk.com/catalog/images/Tornado2995.jpg

I wore tornado head gear through wrestling, it is real good that it protects the ear and it feels nice on your head

[bernbabybern820]

My BJJ class is pretty fun, I'm definitely going to pony up for a month's worth of classes. I went two days in a row, Monday & Tuesday and today it feels like I was in a car wreck. The guys there are really cool and the instructor is enthusiastic and seems pretty knowledgeable. The only things that worry me are my chances of getting hurt, and that he's only a purple belt. He seems extremely well versed and is good at giving instructions, but that's not very high up there in rank. Anyone who practices BJJ have any thoughts on this? Obviously he's someone I could learn a lot from, I just want to know if I'm shortchanging myself by not seeking out a more qualified instructor. Regarding safety, I've got a cup/compression short combo that I'm using underneath my shorts, but I haven't invested in the mouthpiece yet because I haven't taken any blows to the head that would even come close to warranting it. I might try to add one a little later when my conditioning improves.

When you're a newbie i don't really think it matters too much what ranking your instructor is since the basics are the basics. Once you gain experience then it might be beneficial to have a more qualified instructor. What are you getting charged monthly?

[Ward]

When you're a newbie i don't really think it matters too much what ranking your instructor is since the basics are the basics. Once you gain experience then it might be beneficial to have a more qualified instructor. What are you getting charged monthly?

$75 a month allows me 2 classes a week. What 2 classes I go to are up to me. There are various gi and no gi classes throughout the week and Saturdays are MMA specific. The gym does have an octagon, bags, as well as an open mat. If I pay $95 a month (which I may do in the future, when my conditioning catches up to my desire) I can go as much as is available (5 days a week).

[Donno]

Dude whos the chinman in all the Prides? Me and my friends have just been calling him Chinman.

[josh07039]

Dude whos the chinman in all the Prides? Me and my friends have just been calling him Chinman.
Antonio Inoki. I think he was involved in pro wrestling.

[E-Man]

Fedor vs. Rogers is good matchmaking on Strikeforce's part. Sure we all pretty much expect that Fedor will own Rogers, but Rogers is at least a name to give Fedor a good debut. They can hype him up real well to the point that he looks credible to their audience. Rogers only stands a puncher's chance, and even then it wouldn't shock me to see Fedor drop him with superior hand speed. Worst case scenario is if Fedor gets rocked big time, he can take the fight to the ground and Rogers is done for. If Rogers tags Fedor and knocks him clean, Rogers immediately makes his career. Even if he would go 0-5 after beating Fedor, he'd always be known as the guy who knocked out Fedor.

[Rob S]

You move up way slower in BJJ than other martial arts Ward. Its probably a good thing he is a purple belt as it shows his instructor doesnt hand out belts like candy and he will likely be the same way. As long as you are learning and the guy seems to know his stuff its not an issue.

[Ward]

You move up way slower in BJJ than other martial arts Ward. Its probably a good thing he is a purple belt as it shows his instructor doesnt hand out belts like candy and he will likely be the same way. As long as you are learning and the guy seems to know his stuff its not an issue.

That's how I'm looking at it, 100%. The bottom line is that every single person in there (students included) know more about BJJ than I do, so I'm going to learn something guaranteed. There is a brown belt instructor who might join our gym because he doesn't have enough guys coming to his gym, and my instructor gives the guy mad props so that would be cool if he stays and added to the brain trust.

[jared]

That's how I'm looking at it, 100%. The bottom line is that every single person in there (students included) know more about BJJ than I do, so I'm going to learn something guaranteed. There is a brown belt instructor who might join our gym because he doesn't have enough guys coming to his gym, and my instructor gives the guy mad props so that would be cool if he stays and added to the brain trust.

I think you'll be just fine learning under a purple belt. As someone else mentioned, belt progression is slow and there's so much for you to learn that you'd be fine with that instructor for the next year at least. Having priced and tried out several gyms in the Phoenix and Austin areas, I think $95/month is a good price, especially for a place with lots of space, bags, a cage, etc.

In addition to your compression shorts and cup, I'd recommend some generic Under Armour or Nike to use as a rash guard. I'd go long sleeve, simply because it protects more skin from abrasions and nasty ring worm infections that can last weeks and hinder training. Little boil-and-bite mouthpieces are so cheap, I'd recommend buying one, just to be safe. Unless you're doing some serious boxing, you don't need some fancy mouthpiece. Plus it gets you used to breathing with one in should you ever need to wear one to compete.

[Ward]

In addition to your compression shorts and cup, I'd recommend some generic Under Armour or Nike to use as a rash guard. I'd go long sleeve, simply because it protects more skin from abrasions and nasty ring worm infections that can last weeks and hinder training. Little boil-and-bite mouthpieces are so cheap, I'd recommend buying one, just to be safe. Unless you're doing some serious boxing, you don't need some fancy mouthpiece. Plus it gets you used to breathing with one in should you ever need to wear one to compete.

They clean the mats with a bleach solution every day before/after training to help fight ringworm and staph, do you still recommend the rash guard when we're going no gi?

[jared]

It's not just the mats, it's the sweaty dudes you're going to be rolling with. I've only had ring worm once, but it persisted for several weeks. The rash guard also does what it's name suggests, obviously. While you or I may not care about having a rash, you may care when your scabs get rubbed open and you bleed on the mat/your training partner. Personally, I would prefer to roll with a guy in rash guard rather than a t-shirt. Shirts get heavy with sweat and just sort of sag and drape over your opponent's face. Rash guards keep you cooler and drier, and they don't rip and tear or catch people's fingers or toes in them. You can get them for like $15-25 at places like Walmart, Target, or Sports Authority. You don't need an overpriced one that's an MMA brand or has skulls and flames or whatever on it. If you go twice a week, you buy one and wash it in between workouts.

*oh, and this is just me, but I've never felt like headgear was a necessity. I haven't seen many guys roll with it. I've had my ears swell up a little but it went away. You can always treat cauliflower ear if it actually becomes an issue.

[Saints 4 Lyfe]

Shogun via GnP round 2 :)
can i have some of what you're smoking?

[E-Man]

No picks for tonight guys?

I got Couture outpointing Nog to a decision. I think he will out work him in the clinch, and his GnP will damage Nog all night. I don't think Nog pulls off a sub either. Randy hasn't been subbed in 8 years, and he's fought better ground guys than Nog in Gonzaga and Jacare.

I think Jardine takes out Thaigo Silva. Silva's only chance is to overwhelm Jardine and knock him out, but Thaigo's chin is bad too. I think Jardine knocks him out early on. This could go either way though since Jardine's chin isn't that good either.

Leben knocks out Rosholt. He's way more experienced, and he doesn't offer much outside of takedowns and top control. Leben can beat Rosholt in many ways, and I think we'll see Rosholt's first KO loss tonight.

Maia vs. Marquardt is really tough to pick. Marquardt is the much better fighter, but Maia is so damn good on the ground that he can sub anyone regardless of who they are. I can see Nate knocking out Demian, but the longer the fight goes Maia has more chances to get the win. I'd rather have Maia win, because I don't want to see Anderson fight Nate or Hendo again. I'm picking Maia to pull off a late sub because of that, but don't be shocked if Marquardt owns him badly.

Vera takes Sozsynski. Krysztof keeps his arms spread too wide, and he's asking to get knocked out badly some point in time. I think Vera will be the one to do it. Krysztof's stance is too vulnerable to a Thai fighter.

[Rosebud]

I just can't see Shogun beating Machida, that said I can't see anyone at 205 beating machida unless him and anderson silvia get pissed at each other and silva decides to fight up, in which case the universe might explode.

[josh07039]

No picks for tonight guys?

I got Couture outpointing Nog to a decision. I think he will out work him in the clinch, and his GnP will damage Nog all night. I don't think Nog pulls off a sub either. Randy hasn't been subbed in 8 years, and he's fought better ground guys than Nog in Gonzaga and Jacare.

I think Jardine takes out Thaigo Silva. Silva's only chance is to overwhelm Jardine and knock him out, but Thaigo's chin is bad too. I think Jardine knocks him out early on. This could go either way though since Jardine's chin isn't that good either.

Leben knocks out Rosholt. He's way more experienced, and he doesn't offer much outside of takedowns and top control. Leben can beat Rosholt in many ways, and I think we'll see Rosholt's first KO loss tonight.

Maia vs. Marquardt is really tough to pick. Marquardt is the much better fighter, but Maia is so damn good on the ground that he can sub anyone regardless of who they are. I can see Nate knocking out Demian, but the longer the fight goes Maia has more chances to get the win. I'd rather have Maia win, because I don't want to see Anderson fight Nate or Hendo again. I'm picking Maia to pull off a late sub because of that, but don't be shocked if Marquardt owns him badly.

Vera takes Sozsynski. Krysztof keeps his arms spread too wide, and he's asking to get knocked out badly some point in time. I think Vera will be the one to do it. Krysztof's stance is too vulnerable to a Thai fighter.
I actually agree on every pick.
Couture is the man, even if Nog comes looking better than he did against Mir, it's a bad matchup for him.

Jardine is the Techno Viking, so there's no stopping him.

Marquardt is too well rounded.

Leben likes punching people in the face.

Krsytof is stupid. He said his strategy was to take multiple shots to land one because he has so much more power. That is not a good strategy even though he does have heavy hands.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I think the Vera/Krys fight could be the fight of the night. On paper Vera should own him because of superior Muay Thai, wrestling, and all around BJJ, but I could see Kryzstof controlling Vera. He's stronger than Vera and I truly believe he can wear down Vera by controlling him against the cage. Still though Vera has to be the favorite. If I were him I'd work the leg kicks early to open up the fight. Kryzstof is just one of the most stationary fighters I have seen. Also while he has some nice subs on the ground especially Kimura's, he isn't overly skilled on the ground and doesn't have great GnP. He was obviously overhyped as a heavyweight and I do think he's too full of himself but Vera is one hell of a talented fighter. Great Muay Thai, BJJ blackbelt, and collegiate wrestling background. He also has a long and rangy build which allows him to get great rotation and snap on his kicks. For him his biggest problem I think is cardio and lack of a killer instinct. He has all the tools but never goes in for the kill. He also gets easily discouraged when he's fighting someone stronger than him. I'd expect a KO or submission victory but this could also turn into a boring decision if Kryzstof frustrates him and controls him against the fence and on the ground.

BTW I'm rooting for Marquardt even if he's already been pwned by Anderson. Anyways I don't see Maia standing any better of a chance especially when he's standing in the face of the Spider.

[E-Man]

I don't see Maia beating Anderson, but I don't see Hendo or Nate doing it either. I want to see something a tad different, as Maia would scare anyone if it gets to the ground. If he somehow pulls it off against Nate tonight, I think a matchup with Anderson is the most intriguing at 185 right now.


And Jardine does need to come out as the Techno Viking. I'm pretty sure Dana would give him an immediate title shot then. lol

[josh07039]

I don't see Maia beating Anderson, but I don't see Hendo or Nate doing it either. I want to see something a tad different, as Maia would scare anyone if it gets to the ground. If he somehow pulls it off against Nate tonight, I think a matchup with Anderson is the most intriguing at 185 right now.


And Jardine does need to come out as the Techno Viking. I'm pretty sure Dana would give him an immediate title shot then. lol
I'm going to guess that Jardine wants to put that part of his life behind him. Being a crazy party viking in Germany seems to go against his image now. I will say that Jardine coming out to the Techno Viking would be one of my greatest moments in all sports.

[Rosebud]

he wasn't actually the techno viking, right?

[josh07039]

he wasn't actually the techno viking, right?no, actually he was. If you look on his wikipedia there is a transcript of an interview with mauro ranello in which he confirmed it. Also, the resemblance is impossible to ignore.

[Rosebud]

no, actually he was. If you look on his wikipedia there is a transcript of an interview with mauro ranello in which he confirmed it. Also, the resemblance is impossible to ignore.

"I think it's funny, man. When people ask me on the street and stuff, I always them that, Yes, it was me, and it was a long time ago, and that kind of stuff. And I have a lot of fun with it, but I think I'd have to take some techno dance lessons first."

Sounds more like he tells people who ask him in the street that he is just to kid around, as evidenced by the "i have a lot of fun with it" and the "I'd have to take some techno dance lessons first." but maybe i'm just reading that wrong.

[nrk]

"I think it's funny, man. When people ask me on the street and stuff, I always them that, Yes, it was me, and it was a long time ago, and that kind of stuff. And I have a lot of fun with it, but I think I'd have to take some techno dance lessons first."

Sounds more like he tells people who ask him in the street that he is just to kid around, as evidenced by the "i have a lot of fun with it" and the "I'd have to take some techno dance lessons first." but maybe i'm just reading that wrong.

Yeah, I read it that way as well.

[MaxV]

EDIT: nevermind

[josh07039]

Yeah, I read it that way as well.Agree to disagree I guess. Also, i remember Rashad Evans was on Mma Live when Chuck decided to do Dancing with the stars. When he was asked for other fighters he thought would do well, he said jardine and i think he smirk and said for obvious reasons or something.

[MaxV]

WOW!!!! JUST wow.

[fenikz]

WOW!!!! JUST wow.

where can i watch the prelims?

[josh07039]

where can i watch the prelims?I didn't know it was available anywhere. There is a chance that he is just reading the play by play on sherdog or somewhere else.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I wish they gave us ppr paid viewers somewhere to watch the prelims.

[YAYareaRB]

I know I wish they'd give us streaming-for-free viewers somewhere to watch the prelims hahahaha

[Rosebud]

Re-watching some old Fedor fights and my god is he just a monster. I'm pretty sure he could handle Lesnar and Mir at the same time. I wonder if he ever loses again.

[Ravens1991]

I got Couture beating Nog, I hope Nog pulls it off but I dont see it

[fenikz]

Re-watching some old Fedor fights and my god is he just a monster. I'm pretty sure he could handle Lesnar and Mir at the same time. I wonder if he ever loses again.

I was too earlier today, no clue how anyone thinks Rodgers has an advantage striking, he might have the heaviest hands in MMA

[Rob S]

Fedor should eat Rodgers alive anywhere.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I was too earlier today, no clue how anyone thinks Rodgers has an advantage striking, he might have the heaviest hands in MMA

No one said Rogers has a striking advantage, everyone knows Fedor has superior had speed and boxing technique, all that is being said is that Rogers has a punchers chance because he has the heaviest hands in all of mma arguably and has been known to finish fights quick and with a flare. We all know no one in strikeforce is in Fedor's world technically, but it's a guy like Rogers who has a shot at stunning Fedor with a surprise KO, that's about all he could hope for.

[josh07039]

No one said Rogers has a striking advantage, everyone knows Fedor has superior had speed and boxing technique, all that is being said is that Rogers has a punchers chance because he has the heaviest hands in all of mma arguably and has been known to finish fights quick and with a flare. We all know no one in strikeforce is in Fedor's world technically, but it's a guy like Rogers who has a shot at stunning Fedor with a surprise KO, that's about all he could hope for. I wonder if Rogers' hands are as heavy as everyone says. I don't deny that he has power, but look at his fight before Arlovski. He took a long time to finish off a can in abongo humphrey. As for Arlovski, he came in with a questionable chin. Rogers does have knockout power, but I'm not so sure it is as special as everyone makes it out to be.

[jayceheathman]

I just can't see Shogun beating Machida, that said I can't see anyone at 205 beating machida unless him and anderson silvia get pissed at each other and silva decides to fight up, in which case the universe might explode.

I still hope Anderson takes one more fight at 185 to give Henderson a rematch.

[Rob S]

Any HW can crack with 4 oz gloves, if Rodgers lands a clean, heavy shot Fedor will likely be out or at least hurt.

[Rosebud]

mirko cro cop in his prime couldn't knock out fedor, I can't see brett rogers doing anything against fedor. That said, arlovski was able to annoy fedor with his striking but arlovski has much faster hands than rogers and that hand speed was the only reason arlovski was even able to annoy fedor.

[fenikz]

someone want to help me out with a link?

[Rob S]

Arlovski strictly as a boxer is better than almost any HW out there, he just has no chin, and in MMA that flaw is a huge issue.

[MidwayMonster31]

I'm having the same problem. Sopcast is offline now.

[Rob S]

someone want to help me out with a link?

http://myp2p.eu/broadcast.php?matchid=47671&part=sports

MMATV is your best bet on sopcast or TVU