MMA Discussion Thread - SPOILERS!

[E-Man]

Anderson and GSP do not fight smaller opponents. In Anderson's case Forrest, Franklin, and Marquardt were just as big or bigger than him. Anderson might be tall, but he's a very slim guy. Even guys he's taller than like Leites, Irvin, and Lutter look like they had more weight than him because he's so skinny. Remember that he used to fight at 167 back in Shooto, and he's fought at 175 before. I think middleweight is just right for him, but his skill is so good that he can dominate 205.

GSP just fought two guys much bigger than him in Fitch and Alves. Those guys pretty much dwarfed him, and he owned them badly. Koscheck is about the same size as GSP, and Matt Hughes has about the same weight as GSP minus an inch difference in height. BJ and Serra are natural lightweights, so it's not like he fights guys like that all the time. GSP is a very average sized welter, and it'll only be more apparent when he fights guys like Swick, Rumble, and maybe Hazzlett down the line.

Now I think Anderson and GSP are slightly ahead of Fedor in terms of P4P, but it's so close that it's not stupid to say either guy is number one. Hell even BJ can be in that argument if he focuses and strings together a good title legacy. Who knows if Bowles might be better than all of them? He's young and still something of a mystery. He might carve out a legacy that beats all of them out. I'm not saying he will, but nothing says that he won't go on a 6 year tear that redefines MMA.

[nepg]

People underrate Fedor's jiu-jitsu. He isnt nearly as decorated as a Frank Mir, but I think hes actually better. His subs come out of nowhere and they happen fast.

Fedor's body type is the ultimate decoy, really. He looks pudgy, soft, out of shape & unathletic. When in reality hes the exact opposite of all of that, hes as explosive as they come and throws power at the blink of an eye.

He's more decorated than Frank Mir and just about any grappler in MMA. He is, bar none, the best Sambo fighter in the world and he's also a very high level judo practitioner.

[nepg]

Anderson and GSP do not fight smaller opponents. In Anderson's case Forrest, Franklin, and Marquardt were just as big or bigger than him. Anderson might be tall, but he's a very slim guy. Even guys he's taller than like Leites, Irvin, and Lutter look like they had more weight than him because he's so skinny. Remember that he used to fight at 167 back in Shooto, and he's fought at 175 before. I think middleweight is just right for him, but his skill is so good that he can dominate 205.

GSP just fought two guys much bigger than him in Fitch and Alves. Those guys pretty much dwarfed him, and he owned them badly. Koscheck is about the same size as GSP, and Matt Hughes has about the same weight as GSP minus an inch difference in height. BJ and Serra are natural lightweights, so it's not like he fights guys like that all the time. GSP is a very average sized welter, and it'll only be more apparent when he fights guys like Swick, Rumble, and maybe Hazzlett down the line.

Now I think Anderson and GSP are slightly ahead of Fedor in terms of P4P, but it's so close that it's not stupid to say either guy is number one. Hell even BJ can be in that argument if he focuses and strings together a good title legacy. Who knows if Bowles might be better than all of them? He's young and still something of a mystery. He might carve out a legacy that beats all of them out. I'm not saying he will, but nothing says that he won't go on a 6 year tear that redefines MMA.

Fitch and Alves were the same size (Alves is smaller...dude's a midget). GSP cuts from 190+ just like they do.

[nepg]

Fedor does not look strong, but the guy is a ******* beast. He's not all ripped and buffed and **** because he doesn't use steroids like Brock. The guy is pure natural 232 pounds of man strength.

Fedor's just an endomorph, which is rare in combat sports. The guy trains like no one else, and could be ripped if he cut a few calories out of his diet. However, doing so would destroy his cardio (he has amazing stamina).

Rogers got tooled in the first round. Anyone saying Rogers won that round is ridiculous. He re-opened a cut Fedor had from sparring with Aleks with a jab early in the fight and landed 2 or 3 punches in GnP. Other than that, it was all Fedor...

[MaxV]

Fedor trains to fight. He has no interest of being a bodybuilder. Muscle definition means very little for MMA fighters.

As a matter of fact, too much muscle can make a fighter stiffer and slower.

[ironman4579]

The thing about Fedor is, I'm not sure how skilled he actually is (that doesn't sound right, but I can't think of another way to put it). It's difficult to explain what I mean here. Obviously he's got wicked sambo/striking etc. But I'm not sure if his skill/talent level is actually as far beyond his opponents as Silva and GSP. This isn't coming out right, but I hope you guys get what I mean.

What sets him apart and makes him one of the top 3 P4P fighters in the world is his toughness. The guy just seems impossible to stop. He seems to take at least a couple good shots in every fight, but do they really even hurt him? Take the Randleman fight that Max posted for example (I totally forgot about that fight by the way. Thanks for posting Max!). The guy gets freaking slammed on his brain, and within like a minute he's got Randleman tapping. To me, it's the thought that the guy just seems indestructable that makes him such a great fighter.

It's like an angry Steel God took the Iron Curtain, shoved it in Fedor's mother's uterus, punched her in the stomach, and 9 months later Fedor came out, armbarred the doctor after he slapped him, knocked out the nurse with an overhand right, crapped on their limp bodies, and took a nap.

[DoughBoy]

Fedor is Babe Ruth reincarnated, no one would know they were great athletes unless they saw them play. I watched the fight and it amazes me someone that looks like Fedor can destroy someone that big.

[Rosebud]

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[E-Man]

Fitch and Alves were the same size (Alves is smaller...dude's a midget). GSP cuts from 190+ just like they do.

Fitch is about two inches taller than GSP, and he's got more bulk. Alves was much bigger than GSP when they fought. While GSP said he was 184 after the fight, Alves looked like he was much bigger. Alves looked at least 10 pounds bigger than Georges that night.

Fedor trains to fight. He has no interest of being a bodybuilder. Muscle definition means very little for MMA fighters.

As a matter of fact, too much muscle can make a fighter stiffer and slower.

You're spot on with that. Fedor is quick and strong as he is. He may have some chub, but it doesn't matter when his skill level is more more practical to a fight.

[nepg]

Alves looked bigger because he's a midget.

[JF4]

Alves looked bigger because he's a midget.

Alves cuts from around 200. Remember hearing that around the time of his fight against GSP.

[RAVENS/WIZARDS/ORIOLES]

Alves looked bigger because he's a midget.

I didn't think Alves looked bigger either. He looked a little thicker but GSP was bigger.

[MaxV]

Have you guys seen this?

Fedor vs. Mousasi in an exhibition match.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvDSKkwDlIA

Obviously, not a real fight, but still, some great take-downs, holds and counters on display.

[Rosebud]

Have you guys seen this?

Fedor vs. Mousasi in an exhibition match.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvDSKkwDlIA

Obviously, not a real fight, but still, some great take-downs, holds and counters on display.

Yay that was really cool, especially since they're the two best non-UFC fighters

[MaxV]

Honestly, I hope Strikeforce becomes a legit competition to UFC.

But at the same time I want to see Fedor and Mousasi fight against UFC's best.

[Ward]

First BJJ competition is this Saturday! Only event I'm competing in is Under Belt (beginner) No-Gi. Hoping to make the 185 weight class by saturday morning, I'm sitting at 190 right now. I'll probably have pics to post, unless I get wrecked and it's over quick.

[SwagU]

Honestly, I hope Strikeforce becomes a legit competition to UFC.

But at the same time I want to see Fedor and Mousasi fight against UFC's best.

I would love to see cross promotion fights between the two, but Dana is too much of a douche. Maybe Dana would consider it, but only since he is a very money hungry person. Main reason he talked **** about Kimbo but now since Slice brings in some dough Dana loves him.

[MaxV]

I can't blame Dana for that.

Let's say they cross-promote Fedor vs. Lesnar and Fedor wins. Fedor's name recognition and marketability instantly skyrockets, Strikeforce becomes a legit threat and UFC's HW division loses a ton of respect.

If Lesnar wins, things pretty much stay the same as they are now.

I mean, sure a fight like that would be a HUGE money-maker, but then Dana would also have to split profits with Strikeforce.

There are MANY reasons why I don't like Dana, but I won't hold this one against him.

[Rob S]

The whole reason Dana didnt sign Fedor is the M-1 cross promotion......the fights not happening unless its under the UFC banner and fedor is not involved.

[Cicero]

I really don't think we're ever going to get to see Fedor vs. Brock because of M-1.

[Rosebud]

I really don't think we're ever going to get to see Fedor vs. Brock because of M-1.

Isn't M-1 Fedor's company? If so I think we could see a Fedor/Lesnar fight if Fedor just gets annoyed enough with Brock to ignore some of the conditions he'd want from a UFC contract just to shut Brock up.

[E-Man]

To be honest the fight I'd actually want to see would be Fedor vs. Gonzaga. Gonzaga's low and mid kicks are freaking painful, and his ground game is one of the best in the heavyweight division. He's got better BJJ credentials than almost any heavy outside of Werdum and Roger Gracie.

[SwagU]

Well im hearing Fedors next opponent is going to be Werdum, but im also hearing talks of Strikeforce trying to sign Josh Barnett. Would love to see that Barnett VS Fedor fight finally happen, but Werdum is also a pretty good challenge.

I dont ever expect Fedor to fight in the UFC, both sides are to stubron to come to a comprimise. UFC dished out a ridiculous amount of cash to Fedor and Fedor turned it down because he wanted M-1's name on the promotion and Dana disagreed because he wants it solely under the UFC promotion and does not want to co-promote. Unless these two work this out we prob wont ever see Fedor fight the cream of teh crop in the UFC.

[El Peefs?????]

Have you guys seen this?

Fedor vs. Mousasi in an exhibition match.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvDSKkwDlIA

Obviously, not a real fight, but still, some great take-downs, holds and counters on display.

Have you ever seen the video of Fedor against Aleks in a sambo match? I don't have the link, but I always thought it was hilarious because Aleks tries to cheap shot his brother. He fakes the glove touch and went right into a move, then got destroyed lol.

[Ward]

Have you ever seen the video of Fedor against Aleks in a sambo match? I don't have the link, but I always thought it was hilarious because Aleks tries to cheap shot his brother. He fakes the glove touch and went right into a move, then got destroyed lol.

Found it. (http://www.vidilife.com/video_play_205620_Fedor_Vs_Aleks_Emalienenko_in_a_ Sambo_Tourny.htm)

[MaxV]

Have you ever seen the video of Fedor against Aleks in a sambo match? I don't have the link, but I always thought it was hilarious because Aleks tries to cheap shot his brother. He fakes the glove touch and went right into a move, then got destroyed lol.

Is that the one that Fedor finished with an armbar?

I remember Aleks taking Fedor down with a nice hip throw, Fedor rolled out and applied the armbar.

BTW, Fedor lost, for the first time ever, in the Sambo competition recently.

[El Peefs?????]

Edit: Thought I found it, but he doesn't do what you describe.

its been a couple years since i saw it, was a bit old and crappy quality.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R573D0bCx5w

There it is, its a handshake he fakes, not a glove touch.

[MaxV]

Yeah, that's the one.

I wouldn't mind seeing Aleks fight in the UFC also. He's a bit of an underachiever, but he has an exciting style.

He's big, quick and powerful. He's also only 28.

[Cicero]

Isn't he not allowed to fight in the US because of hepatitis or something?

[Rob S]

Isn't he not allowed to fight in the US because of hepatitis or something?

he wasnt cleared as of the last affliction card so I doubt anything has changed.

[nepg]

I really don't think we're ever going to get to see Fedor vs. Brock because of M-1.

Fedor has two fights left with M-1. Yes, he has a stake in the company, but I think he'll go fight in the UFC when his contract is over, then head back to M-1 & whoever once he rolls through the UFC and makes a ****-ton of money.

[Raiderz4Life]

I Do Not Know What Google Is

[JF4]

I am so ashamed...i missed SF and Fedor...anyone know where i can view a rerun or something?

www.cbs.com has the full event

[E-Man]

I just feel like posting this again. lol

http://i654.photobucket.com/albums/uu261/BlackLion85/diego-wtf-juggo.gif

[Raiderz4Life]

I Do Not Know What Google Is

Thx Ward...lol

[Ward]

So Nelson by decision... why does this season suck so much?

[E-Man]

So Nelson by decision... why does this season suck so much?

Because heavyweights in MMA suck so bad right now. For every Fedor or Cain with good speed, there's about 15 Matt Mitriones.

[MaxV]

Yeah, the All-HW idea wasn't a good one.

[MaxV]

Have you guys seen this video?

Fedor on Sports Science.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEXjdipWsQ8

Daaaaamn, 500lbs of choking power.

[Ward]

Because heavyweights in MMA suck so bad right now. For every Fedor or Cain with good speed, there's about 15 Matt Mitriones.

I don't know if I want to live in that world...

[Cicero]

Had to post this one.

http://thegarv.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/arkhamasylum_fedor.gif

[themaninblack]

That is madness^^^^

[MetSox17]

LOL, that's ****** awesome, whoever did that did a terrific job.

[E-Man]

That gif needs FATALITY! in red at the end. lol

[Rosebud]

http://www.ermac.org/i/-mma/Mousasi_sweep_Sokoudjou.gif

Gegard is so badass.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

It's Sokoudjou though. He's an MMA idiot. Moussasi was already grabbing his ankle and Soku was just chilling.

[ccB]

The one v Jacare was waaaaaaaaay more brutal.

[UKfan]

You guys need to get the UFC's in England live, I hate having to wait to talk about it!!

[SeanTaylorRIP]

You guys need to get the UFC's in England live, I hate having to wait to talk about it!!

I'm kind of pissed. I have purposely been avoiding spoilers so I can watch it live tonight, but dumb ESPN showed the winner of the main event on the bottom while I was looking at CF scores.

[Ravens1991]

yea I was planning on getting the PPV until I saw the winner of the main event on some kids facebook status.

[Todd Bertuzzi]

It's on Spike for free.

[MaxV]

Eh, how long before Couture fight?

[MaxV]

That's an ugly victory.

[fenikz]

UFC needs to go into desperation mode and start making some fights, Strikeforce could become legit competition very quickly if these cards don't get any better

[Rosebud]

UFC needs to go into desperation mode and start making some fights, Strikeforce could become legit competition very quickly if these cards don't get any better

I thought the Bisping and Hardy fights were good, couture/vera was a snoozefest but that's because they're both remarkably boring fighters.

[MaxV]

Could that be a record for the least punches landed by a fighter who won by a decision?

[Cicero]

Everything was actually pretty good besides the main event. That card was more entertaining then I thought it would be. Pearson and Winner both looked really good tonight.

[E-Man]

Ehh 105 was an uneventful event IMO. Sure some finishes were decent, but the action leading up to them wasn't much to look at. I got so pissed at watching guys press up against the damn cage. I respect the hell out of wrestling, but that got ridiculous real fast.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Putting Vera in a main event is a recipe for disaster. He's become one of the most boring fighters. It doesn't help he was up against Randy who at this point in his career isn't capable of having an exciting fight. Just dirty box, and try to work some gnp.

[LTgiants]

randy can only have any exciting fight if he is getting destroyed by brock or against another old guy in nogueira

[Rob S]

w/e it was free MMA to distract me from the horrific boxing undercard. Im not complaining so long as I dont have to pay for a weak PPV.

[UKfan]

I'm so surprised Hardy pulled off the victory, GSP will murder him, and I like Hardy.

Also WAR ETIM. That was a nice sub he pulled off, he needs some bigger fights IMO.

[Ward]

Finished 4th overall (of 9) in my weight class at my BJJ comp yesterday. Won my first match with an americana, then tapped to an armbar then a triangle. I messed up and missed weight for the 185 division so I wound up being the smallest dude in the 205 and under division, so I'm very pleased with the results.

[BlindSite]

Nice dude, I know how hard BJJ can be against guys bigger than you, that's a huge effort.

[Rosebud]

So who does UFC have left who isn't injured?

[E-Man]

^ Yeah the injury bug has bitten the UFC hard, but at least we have Aldo vs. Brown to look forward to in a couple of days. That fight is almost a guaranteed "Fight of the Year" candidate.

[josh07039]

^ Yeah the injury bug has bitten the UFC hard, but at least we have Aldo vs. Brown to look forward to in a couple of days. That fight is almost a guaranteed "Fight of the Year" candidate.I think all the injuries may correlate with the talk of the UFC and WEC merging in 2010. I think the UFC recognizes that it would be beneficial to have a few more belts they can build main events around along with having many more guys that have name recognition that can be built up even more by the UFC's hype machine.

Aldo and Brown are two really talented fighters that have all the potential to produce a fight of the year contender, but it also is possible that Mike Brown can't handle Aldo on the feet and just takes him down and stifles him with his wrestling and size. I am really interested to see where this fight goes because Brown does have a really good chin and loads of power along with some very technical stand up, but Aldo is just so explosive and dangerous that Brown may not be able to hang with him standing. Then again Brown showed that he can at least hold his own against Faber, so he may just play it safe, look for Aldo to make a mistake while standing and then unload.

[MetSox17]

Wow. Pretty shocking news from Dana White.

Apparently, Lesnar has some kind of intestinal disorder that will require major surgery, threatening his career in MMA.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/mma/11/16/lesnar/index.html

Edit -

Did some digging, apparently it's a bacterial infection in his intestinal tract.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/mma/2009-11-16-3190330654_x.htm

[Rosebud]

Wow. Pretty shocking news from Dana White.

Apparently, Lesnar has some kind of intestinal disorder that will require major surgery, threatening his career in MMA.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/mma/11/16/lesnar/index.html

Edit -

Did some digging, apparently it's a bacterial infection in his intestinal tract.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/mma/2009-11-16-3190330654_x.htm

Carwin's also going to have surgery and a slew of other top fighters are injured/out it's crazy.

[Donno]

I'm not gonna buy UFC 106, its way too much for not that big of matches. Koshcheck vs Johnson is the co-headliner, thats a good fight but come on. Damn injury bug.

[jared]

I'm actually pretty excited for it. I think there are a lot of good matches on there. Cane vs. Lil Nog should be good, Parisyan vs. Hazelett will be an interesting grappling match. I'm excited to see Sadollah back in action as well. I thought his striking looked quite explosive in his last fight before he got clipped.

[E-Man]

Yeah 106 is still a good card in spite of all the injuries they've had. Tito's fight against Forrest might be better than expected. I'm taking Forrest to win a decision because Tito's been out for a awhile in addition to Forrest's evolution as a fighter, but Tito still has the tools to beat Forrest. He's a strong wrestler that can get the takedowns that gain the judges' nod.

Rumble vs. Kos is something to get people out of their seats. Rumble has such huge KO power that any fight of his is a threat to get stopped. Kos is a great fighter that doesn't get credit because people(retards) are still hung up on the fact that he had no other skills besides wrestling waaaaay back on TUF. It should be a good fight.

Karo vs. Hazelett will be FotN if Cane vs. Lil Nog doesn't steal the thunder. Those two fights are as good main card bouts as any card could hope for. One has two top ten guys fighting to move up the ladder to a title shot, and the other has a former top ten guy looking to reclaim his career(he's very young too) against an exciting up and comer.

[dabears10]

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[Cicero]

WEC starts now!

[Rosebud]

I hope Meathead gets his drama queen ass kicked out and they give Kimbo or Demeco his shot.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

All I can say is finally.

[E-Man]

Jose Aldo is a damn beast. It's a very good thing that he's only 23. This guy could have a very huge career if he keeps his head right. The sky is the limit for that guy.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Aldo definitely dominated, but does anyone else think they shouldn't have stopped that they should have stood them up considering like 13 of the 15 strikes he landed to finish the fight were directly on the back of the head. Thomas gave up his back but Aldo was just punching straight down on the back of the head. Doesn't mean to say he wouldn't have finished it anyways by actually punching from the side or sneaking in the RNC, but I thought that was way too many shots to the back of the head.

[Ward]

Aldo definitely dominated, but does anyone else think they shouldn't have stopped that they should have stood them up considering like 13 of the 15 strikes he landed to finish the fight were directly on the back of the head. Thomas gave up his back but Aldo was just punching straight down on the back of the head. Doesn't mean to say he wouldn't have finished it anyways by actually punching from the side or sneaking in the RNC, but I thought that was way too many shots to the back of the head.

I agree that it's clear that too many of those hits found the back of Brown's head. However, if this is the sport of fighting I think it would be lame to protect a fighter who is covering up every spot of his exposed back excluding the back of his skull simply because he knows how to exploit the rules. Brown couldn't defend himself, and in a real fight he'd have been done for anyway. And I have much respect for the guy, one of our fighters met him IRL at a UFC event and said he was one of the nicest guys he's ever met.

[E-Man]

Aldo definitely dominated, but does anyone else think they shouldn't have stopped that they should have stood them up considering like 13 of the 15 strikes he landed to finish the fight were directly on the back of the head. Thomas gave up his back but Aldo was just punching straight down on the back of the head. Doesn't mean to say he wouldn't have finished it anyways by actually punching from the side or sneaking in the RNC, but I thought that was way too many shots to the back of the head.

Many of those shots were to the back of the head, but Brown had no out, and I don't see the purpose of standing them up when he wasn't defending himself. When a fighter was in such a dominating position like that where only the ref can stop it, I think a TKO is the correct call to save the fighter from taking too much damage.

[Cicero]

Karo Parisyan pulled out of 106 and Dana is not happy. http://twitter.com/danawhite

[E-Man]

Karo can feed on a giant ball of ****. I was really looking forward to that fight.

[UKfan]

http://i49.tinypic.com/334uamb.gif

[E-Man]

The only reason why Tito lost is because he got shot in the chest before the fight. He was finally fully healthy, but that damn assassination attempt from Ken Shamrock kept him from giving Forrest a beating into the living death.

[MetSox17]

The only reason why Tito lost is because he got shot in the chest before the fight. He was finally fully healthy, but that damn assassination attempt from Ken Shamrock kept him from giving Forrest a beating into the living death.

Wait, what?? Can someone fill me in on what happened?

[Caddy]

Wait, what?? Can someone fill me in on what happened?

Basically Ortiz attacked the croud as soon as the started booing him because he was talking about an injury to his spine. Was typical Ortiz hot-headedness.

[RaiderNation]

I just watched the Ortiz and Griffin fight. Ortiz has no stand up

[Caddy]

I just watched the Ortiz and Griffin fight. Ortiz has no stand up

His GnP was solid and you have to think that if he really tried to take down Forest in the 3rd round he might have actually won the fight. It took him 4 minutes to even throw a punch...

[Tampa 2 4 life]

His GnP was solid and you have to think that if he really tried to take down Forest in the 3rd round he might have actually won the fight. It took him 4 minutes to even throw a punch...

Really? I had that last round 10-8...

[E-Man]

Wait, what?? Can someone fill me in on what happened?

I was making a joke about how Tito always has an injury excuse. Of course he's always finally 100% before the fight, but when he loses he had an injury. It was way too predictable.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Anyone know why TUF is a repeat tonight?

[fenikz]

Gonzaga dropped out of his fight with Dos Santos, i assume because of pure fear

[SwagU]

Anyone know why TUF is a repeat tonight?

I guess because the finale is Dec 5th so they wanted to put the final episode of the show closer to the finale only answer I can think of.

[FuzzyGopher]

I guess because the finale is Dec 5th so they wanted to put the final episode of the show closer to the finale only answer I can think of.

Just a heads up, it's also a 2 hour episode next Wednesday that starts at 9:00 est.

[Rosebud]

Gonzaga dropped out of his fight with Dos Santos, i assume because of pure fear

Sounds about right, Dos Santos is a future HW champ afterall.

[fenikz]

I believe that JDS was also the cause of Lesnar's insides ripping them self apart

[Rosebud]

I believe that JDS was also the cause of Lesnar's insides ripping them self apart

It's either that or him seeing Fedor decapitate Brett Rogers.

[josh07039]

Regarding the now canceled bout between JDS and Gonzaga. I'm not so sure it would have been the destruction of Gonzaga that you guys are suggesting. Keep in mind that Gonzaga is one of the more talented guys in the division, coupled with great size and athleticism. His huge flaw is not living up to his talent, but if he did against JDS, he could've scored the upset.

[BlindSite]

Ortiz is a ***** and clearly lost the fight.

Hell in the injury reports that came out the other day, he (ortiz) is cleared for full contact immediately, no bulging disc or fractured skull, cleared to train, fight or full contact.

**** that guy

[Rosebud]

Regarding the now canceled bout between JDS and Gonzaga. I'm not so sure it would have been the destruction of Gonzaga that you guys are suggesting. Keep in mind that Gonzaga is one of the more talented guys in the division, coupled with great size and athleticism. His huge flaw is not living up to his talent, but if he did against JDS, he could've scored the upset.

If if's were fifths we'd all be ******* wasted.

[josh07039]

If if's were fifths we'd all be ******* wasted.My point is just that when Gonzaga shows up, he is a true force in the division. He wasn't due to come up small because he isn't in title contention yet. And in his last performance (i understand it was against a pretty green guy who he kicked in the balls) he looked brutal and motivated. Also, we have no idea just how good JDS' takedown defense is, so it is definitely not out of the realm of possibility to think that this fight would have gone to the ground I think JDS is a really talented prospect, but lets keep in mind he beat an ineffectual Cro Cop and quickly beat two ground fighters before they had a chance to get it to the ground. Also, Werdum's chin is kinda crappy.

Oh yeah and since the fight isn't happening, ifs are all we have.

[DHVF]

It's either that or him seeing Fedor decapitate Brett Rogers.
I'm pretty sure that seeing Fedor struggle against a Sam's Club employee didn't exactly strike a lot of fear in anyone.

[Rosebud]

I'm pretty sure that seeing Fedor struggle against a Sam's Club employee didn't exactly strike a lot of fear in anyone.

That Sam's Club employee is a near top ten HW. We know he has big power, he's quick, he's huge and he looked competent on the ground. And Fedor dropped him hard. Fedor juzt winz.

[DHVF]

That Sam's Club employee is a near top ten HW. We know he has big power, he's quick, he's huge and he looked competent on the ground. And Fedor dropped him hard. Fedor juzt winz.
Congratulations, knocking out a near top ten HW who was extremely timid in his approach and was truly afraid to throw a punch. Despite this he still almost took out Fedor in the first round. Regardless, my point is that this performance isn't going to scare any contender in the Heavyweight division.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

You can't say Brett Rogers is a top 10 HW based off of one fight. If that was the case, you could say Stafford and BQ are as good as Peyton and Brady after last week. One performance is not enough to justify that kind of statement.

[Rosebud]

You can't say Brett Rogers is a top 10 HW based off of one fight. If that was the case, you could say Stafford and BQ are as good as Peyton and Brady after last week. One performance is not enough to justify that kind of statement.

There's a reason Rogers got this fight, he's done well and shown a lot of potential. This fight just showed even more of what he can do. Plus I think the HW division is very mediocre.

As for Fedor's performance he was in danger during that GnP but that didn't last very long, and that final shot was vicious. I t wasn't one of his greatest performance but as usual fedor left himself in position to win and delivered the knock out blow.

[josh07039]

You can't say Brett Rogers is a top 10 HW based off of one fight. If that was the case, you could say Stafford and BQ are as good as Peyton and Brady after last week. One performance is not enough to justify that kind of statement.
Firstly, Rogers did not earn his top 10 status from one fight, he showed good potential throughout his career and finally earned top 10 recognition by knocking out Arlovski and strengthened his case by hanging with Fedor.

Also MMA is very different than Football. In Football it really takes a few full seasons (one minimum) to establish yourself as being top of the heap. As opposed to football players, MMA athletes only compete a few times a year. Their improvement occurs behind the scenes and fights are when they can showcase those skills. While it is true that one fight won't tell everything about a fighter, it can demonstrate the overall skill level to make a case for top ten status.

[MaxV]

I'm pretty sure that seeing Fedor struggle against a Sam's Club employee didn't exactly strike a lot of fear in anyone.

That's fine. I don't think Fedor cares if he strikes fear or not. He just cares about winning. And no one else does that better.

Rogers has the skills to challenge ANYONE. He's big, powerful, quick and has pretty good wrestling skills.

I think this was an impressive win for Fedor.

I mean, how many times have you seen either GSP or Spider beat talented opponents who are 4 inches taller and 35lbs heavier then them?

The fact that this was a tough fight shouldn't be held against Fedor imo. It's not like he was fighting a can.

BTW, people often forget that GSP and Spider fight in weight-controlled divisions, while Fedor doesn't, when they make their P4P rankings.

[DHVF]

That's fine. I don't think Fedor cares if he strikes fear or not. He just cares about winning. And no one else does that better.

Rogers has the skills to challenge ANYONE. He's big, powerful, quick and has pretty good wrestling skills.

I think this was an impressive win for Fedor.

I mean, how many times have you seen either GSP or Spider beat talented opponents who are 4 inches taller and 35lbs heavier then them?

The fact that this was a tough fight shouldn't be held against Fedor imo. It's not like he was fighting a can.

BTW, people often forget that GSP and Spider fight in weight-controlled divisions, while Fedor doesn't, when they make their P4P rankings.
Well to your first point, that's simply what I was arguing, so...thanks for agreeing I suppose?

Second, Rogers is a fairly skilled fighter, but he is also incredibly green, with no real standout type of skill. Any of the contenders in the UFC's Heavyweight division would have demolished him with just as much if not more ease than did Fedor. Therein lies my point in saying it wasn't an impressive fight for Fedor.

And the main difference that I see when comparing GSP, Silva and Fedor is the fact that Silva and GSP are dominant in their fights, where Fedor is not. I know Fedor's record, but if he were to consistently put himself up against the top tiered talent in his division as GSP and Silva do, he would start losing. Guaranteed.

Honestly, give Anderson time to bulk up a little and I think he'd beat Fedor.

[MaxV]

Yeeeeaaaah, I STRONGLY disagree that Rogers would get demolished by UFC contenders.

[fenikz]

Rogers would beat all but Mir, Big Nog and Lesnar right now imo, would love to see him and JDS slug it out

[MaxV]

DHVF, I think you underestimating Rogers' ability and overestimating UFC HW division.

I mean, obviously it's deeper then any other company's HW division, but it doesn't mean it has all the best HWs.

After Lesnar, this division has fighters with various strengths but also with noticeable flaws.

[josh07039]

I think Rogers would do fine in the UFC HW division. I mean he probably wouldn't have the same level of hype because he would have had a few more competitive fights earlier in his career and because the UFC has all these great wrestlers who would be able to put him on his back. I agree that Rogers is green, but he has a lot of attributes to like. He has size, quickness, and unbelievable punching power. Obviously, unlike some of the young guys in the UFC division, Rogers does not have that one stand out skill like wrestling in the case of Cain. I mean while it is clearly his strength, Rogers' boxing is by no means polished and it is a strength more because of his power. In his fight against Fedor, Rogers showed the growing semblance of a game centered around avoiding the takedown/getting up when down/ and looking for the knockout standing. Until Fedor, he really showed nothing in terms of takedown d or ground game.

I think there are a lot of guys in the division that could beat Rogers, but Rogers would not be a low tier guy in the UFC. I don't think he would be in the title hunt yet, but that is because the UFC has the depth to ease him up to the top rather than Strikeforce which needed to force him a bit.

[BlindSite]

DHVF, I think you underestimating Rogers' ability and overestimating UFC HW division.

I mean, obviously it's deeper then any other company's HW division, but it doesn't mean it has all the best HWs.

After Lesnar, this division has fighters with various strengths but also with noticeable flaws.

I'd give money on Valasquez and Carwin too.

[Rosebud]

Well to your first point, that's simply what I was arguing, so...thanks for agreeing I suppose?

Second, Rogers is a fairly skilled fighter, but he is also incredibly green, with no real standout type of skill. Any of the contenders in the UFC's Heavyweight division would have demolished him with just as much if not more ease than did Fedor. Therein lies my point in saying it wasn't an impressive fight for Fedor.

And the main difference that I see when comparing GSP, Silva and Fedor is the fact that Silva and GSP are dominant in their fights, where Fedor is not. I know Fedor's record, but if he were to consistently put himself up against the top tiered talent in his division as GSP and Silva do, he would start losing. Guaranteed.

Honestly, give Anderson time to bulk up a little and I think he'd beat Fedor.

I think Rogers is too green for lesnar, mir and big nog. He would stand a good chance of losing against youngsters like Cain and Dos Santos, but he could handle anyone else UFC has and could certainly beat cain and JDS as well. Plus with his power he's gut a punchers chance even against the big dogs. As for the Fedor fight I think the speed with which Fedor went for that kimura and arm bar was terrifying. Which other heavyweight with as effective striking as Fedor has can boast of such speed on the ground or quality of takedowns? Frank Mir made Brock tap and Fedor's a vastly superior fighter to mir in every way.

Fedor has fought the best of the best, the man ran through Pride's heavyweight division. He's never looked dominant in his fights but he's never lost either. Especially impressive considering how many bigger fighters he's fought and how many shots he's taken. I mean how often does GSP or Anderson fight someone who's truly bigger than them? Not nearly as often as fedor does and I think Fedor would dominate either one if they took it to the ground against him even if they met at something like 205.

[Splat]

ESPN Report: Shane McMahon Looking To Purchase Part Of UFC (http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/wwe-news/shane-mcmahon-looking-to-purchase-part-of-ufc.php)

[Rosebud]

I know this is a little old but I finally started watching some of the 106 fights and damn did Lil Nog just run through Cane. I'm not as high on cane as some others but I thought he was a great young prospect who'd have a great fight with lil nog. Then again there's a reason I think lil nog is good enough to be a top 5 LHW.

[Rob S]

Rodgers is a pretty damn good fighter...........stop hating on Fedor. God, the man consistently stops everyone put in front of him, so what if he doesnt look all that dominant, he still KTFO his opponent in less than 10 minutes.......if you consistently stop people its domination. 4oz gloves and subs make MMA MMA and Fedor is probably the best finisher in the world. If you make a habit of KOing your opponent within the first 2 rounds almost every single time you fight, you are dominant.

Now, are GSP and Anderson better right now p4p, probably, but you cant overlook Fedor's career. Fedor has never lost, GSP has a KO loss to Serra (maybe its a fluke, too bad, he still got KTFO and its a terrible loss), Anderson has been on an unprecedented roll as of late but still has 4 losses in his career. It is so hard to remain perfect in MMA and Fedor is the only guy in the discussion for P4P king that has done it (and against bigger guys), that has to count for something.

[Rosebud]

Rodgers is a pretty damn good fighter...........stop hating on Fedor. God, the man consistently stops everyone put in front of him, so what if he doesnt look all that dominant, he still KTFO his opponent in less than 10 minutes.......if you consistently stop people its domination. 4oz gloves and subs make MMA MMA and Fedor is probably the best finisher in the world. If you make a habit of KOing your opponent within the first 2 rounds almost every single time you fight, you are dominant.

Now, are GSP and Anderson better right now p4p, probably, but you cant overlook Fedor's career. Fedor has never lost, GSP has a KO loss to Serra (maybe its a fluke, too bad, he still got KTFO and its a terrible loss), Anderson has been on an unprecedented roll as of late but still has 4 losses in his career. It is so hard to remain perfect in MMA and Fedor is the only guy in the discussion for P4P king that has done it (and against bigger guys), that has to count for something.

If you're going to ignore Fedor's bogus cut loss you also have to drop Anderson's loss to Okami. I'm not disagree so much as I am just nitpicking.

[MaxV]

I know this is a little old but I finally started watching some of the 106 fights and damn did Lil Nog just run through Cane. I'm not as high on cane as some others but I thought he was a great young prospect who'd have a great fight with lil nog. Then again there's a reason I think lil nog is good enough to be a top 5 LHW.

You know, I've always viewed lil Nog as being overrated, but he certainly showed something in that fight.

I would still put him in the 6-10 range in the LHW division. No knock on him, it's just the division is deep.

[Rosebud]

You know, I've always viewed lil Nog as being overrated, but he certainly showed something in that fight.

I would still put him in the 6-10 range in the LHW division. No knock on him, it's just the division is deep.

I dunno man, his hands are quite possibly the best in the division and you know that he can do work on the ground as well with his BJJ. It is a deep division, but after Machida, Anderson, Mousasi and Shogun I think Nog can take anyone else. If Rampage comes back then I'd probably have him over lil nog as well, but that's it IMO, I think nog could take Rashad if they stand up and if rashad puts nog down I think nog's got the ground game to sub rashad before rashad is able to GnP out a win. I'm not saying that's where Lil Nog should be ranked right now, but if I were setting up a tournament at 205 lil nog would be the 5 seed because I do think that he'd beat everyone other than the guys mentioned above.

[MaxV]

Don't forget Mousasi.

[Rob S]

If you're going to ignore Fedor's bogus cut loss you also have to drop Anderson's loss to Okami. I'm not disagree so much as I am just nitpicking.

Yeah thats true, the point is still completely valid tho.

[Rob S]

I would LOVE to see Shogun v Lil Nog again, maybe my favorite fight eva......

[BlindSite]

ESPN Report: Shane McMahon Looking To Purchase Part Of UFC (http://www.wrestlingnewsworld.com/wwe-news/shane-mcmahon-looking-to-purchase-part-of-ufc.php)

Shane McMahon probably realises hey, these guys are just as good **** talkers as our employees, but they actually hurt each other, oh and they're eating up our PPV sales, better get in before I lose it all.

I hate wrestling I hope it's dead within a few years.

[Rosebud]

I would LOVE to see Shogun v Lil Nog again, maybe my favorite fight eva......

Yep, that's the fight that made me a lil nog fan.

Yeah thats true, the point is still completely valid tho.

Yeah, I as I said I was more nitpicking than disagreeing.

[Raiderz4Life]

Shane McMahon probably realises hey, these guys are just as good **** talkers as our employees, but they actually hurt each other, oh and they're eating up our PPV sales, better get in before I lose it all.

I hate wrestling I hope it's dead within a few years.

Its really quite surprising how many grown up ppl are at WWE TNA etc etc events...i grew out of that when i was like 11

[E-Man]

Shane could be good for the UFC. Think about how successful the WWF/E has been, and think about their worldwide presence. Chances are that he won't be cutting promos or anything wrestling related. He's probably just going to have a hand in the business side of things. Supposedly he was really good at getting WWF into markets overseas. That could go a long way with the UFC's global expansion.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

WOW, apparently someone put up all the TUF results on wikipedia. The rest of the fights have been removed, but they still tell you who is supposedly in the final. I won't post who it is, but you all can check it out if you like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ultimate_Fighter:_Heavyweights#Heavyweight_Bra cket

[BlindSite]

I saw the episode yesterday? How have you guys not seen it?

[Ward]

WOW, apparently someone put up all the TUF results on wikipedia. The rest of the fights have been removed, but they still tell you who is supposedly in the final. I won't post who it is, but you all can check it out if you like.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ultimate_Fighter:_Heavyweights#Heavyweight_Bra cket

Nelson and Schaub... not exactly underdogs. Glad to see that Kimbo is really done on the show.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Nelson and Schaub... not exactly underdogs. Glad to see that Kimbo is really done on the show.

yeah they really milked the Kimbo thing as long as possible haha. So who you got? I think Schaub. Or at least I hope. Can't stand Roy Nelson lol.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

I saw the episode yesterday? How have you guys not seen it?

It airs Wednesday. No idea why they let it out in other countries. That's how the info got to wikipedia and it was posted on sherdog too apparently.

They decided to show a repeat episode last week. Again, no idea why at all, but that's what they did. And now they have it set up that a lot of people have seen it several days before the rest.

[SwagU]

Im waiting for Wednesday I dont want to ruin it, two hours of TUF there isn't much that can beat that. Im really pulling for Marcus and I really want someone to knock Big Country the **** out.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Im waiting for Wednesday I dont want to ruin it, two hours of TUF there isn't much that can beat that. Im really pulling for Marcus and I really want someone to knock Big Country the **** out.

Same here, on both counts. I really like Big Marcus. And Roy pisses me off so so much.

[SwagU]

Same here, on both counts. I really like Big Marcus. And Roy pisses me off so so much.

Marcus is like a gentle giant outside the cage, he loves gardening and he is so emotional you cant help but love the guy, but in the cage he turns into a crazy animal I swear he could of broke that guys forearm if he didnt tap quick enough.

Roy on the other hand acts like he is the **** just because he was a champion, I hate how he feels his skills are so much more advanced then everyone elses and that he feels he can half ass the fights. Roy's fights like Dana has said have not impressed me at all and I hope he gets caught with a nice bomb to shut his smug ass up.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

I ******* hate Roy Nelson.

[SwagU]

Well im looking forward to the finale this saturday, more so to see if Kimbo has improved at all or is still just a street fighter.

[TACKLE]

Brendan Schaub is sick. His KO power is disgusting and his ground defense is so good. I really hope he KO's Roy.

[SwagU]

Brendan Schaub is sick. His KO power is disgusting and his ground defense is so good. I really hope he KO's Roy.

Atleast we saw that Schaub can get out of full mount, because he is goona need it if Nelson follows his gameplan of pinning him with his big belly. We all know that Roy as soon as he starts feeling the heat in the stand up will look to take Schaub down and put him in the crucifix. Schaub's ground game looked really good against Marcus so Schaub could really give Roy a hard time in this fight.

[E-Man]

Last night's episode was hilarious. Big Marcus' threat to Mitrione shouldn't have been funny, but I was laughing when it happened. Then to see Mitrione's face when it happened made that whole season of TUF worthwhile. McSweeney has come off as a huge douche too, but it was pretty funny to see him choke Zak.

Nelson and Schaub in the finals was pretty much everyone's prediction. I got Nelson though. Schaub seems to have some good will in his fights, and his power is pretty good. I think Roy's control is better than everyone that Brendan has faced though. I don't think he'll buck him off like he did Marcus. Marcus may have some really slick transitions, but his gas tank isn't anywhere near as good as Big County's. If Brendan keeps it standing he could take the decision, but I think he's going to be on his back for three rounds. His takedown defense that he's shown on the show hasn't been too good.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Hopefully though since he's had so much time to prepare for Roy, Brendan's working on the takedown defense. None of his fights havve gone to decision, he was 4-0 with 4 KOs before the show, now he's 3-0 with 2 KOs and a sub on the show. I hope to God he knocks Roy's cocky ass out. Even from a business perspective, Roy would be terrible for the UFC. When you think of MMA you think of great athletes beating the hell out of each other, which is what the UFC is. You can look at pretty much everyone in the UFC and buy that. You can't look at Roy Nelson and think he's an athlete. If he has success in the UFC, a lot of the new mainstream fans will probably lose respect for the sport.

[Caddy]

If Schaub doesn't knock the **** out of Nelson I'll be really annoyed. I better not see that crucifix crap a 3rd time from Big Country.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

I also can't wait to see Marcus destroy Mitrione. That's gonna be big raep for the big man.

[fenikz]

Hopefully though since he's had so much time to prepare for Roy, Brendan's working on the takedown defense. None of his fights havve gone to decision, he was 4-0 with 4 KOs before the show, now he's 3-0 with 2 KOs and a sub on the show. I hope to God he knocks Roy's cocky ass out. Even from a business perspective, Roy would be terrible for the UFC. When you think of MMA you think of great athletes beating the hell out of each other, which is what the UFC is. You can look at pretty much everyone in the UFC and buy that. You can't look at Roy Nelson and think he's an athlete. If he has success in the UFC, a lot of the new mainstream fans will probably lose respect for the sport.

It was bad enough when people were questioning Liddell's gut, Nelson's gut shits all over that

[Rosebud]

I really wanna see Roy try and impress instead of just focusing on the win. I've come to like the fat bastard, but he's such a boring ass fighter and I think he's good enough to do much better.

[dabears10]

I really wanna see Roy try and impress instead of just focusing on the win. I've come to like the fat bastard, but he's such a boring ass fighter and I think he's good enough to do much better.

I believe winning is the point of it.

[fenikz]

i would play it safe until i got that contract too

[Rosebud]

I believe winning is the point of it.

I know, but if he came out and put on a show he'd get a real good first fight.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

I wish Marcus got to fight Roy, I think he's actually strong enough to get out from the belly-in-the-face technique. Plus Schaub and McSweeney would have been a good stand up battle.

[E-Man]

Roy does seem to play it safe, but I think he's got a decent enough personality to sell himself in the UFC. Plus he could have a little public beef with Dana that could really fuel things. Brendan is more marketable by a mile though.

And anyone else not ashamed to admit that they're somewhat excited to see Kimbo fight Houston tomorrow? I got Houston destroying Kimbo early, but a free slugfest like that could be quite entertaining. Plus I just really want to see Kimbo get knocked out again so I could laugh at my cousin who worships him. Somehow he didn't learn his lesson with the Petruzzelli fight. He thinks the guy cheated. lol

[josh07039]

I wish Marcus got to fight Roy, I think he's actually strong enough to get out from the belly-in-the-face technique. Plus Schaub and McSweeney would have been a good stand up battle.Those two probably would have refused to fight one another. They both train at Jackson's. Im actually a little surprised they both put on the show considering they are both from the same camp.

[Rosebud]

Roy does seem to play it safe, but I think he's got a decent enough personality to sell himself in the UFC. Plus he could have a little public beef with Dana that could really fuel things. Brendan is more marketable by a mile though.

And anyone else not ashamed to admit that they're somewhat excited to see Kimbo fight Houston tomorrow? I got Houston destroying Kimbo early, but a free slugfest like that could be quite entertaining. Plus I just really want to see Kimbo get knocked out again so I could laugh at my cousin who worships him. Somehow he didn't learn his lesson with the Petruzzelli fight. He thinks the guy cheated. lol

I wanna see Kimbo win, I liked the guy I saw on this show and it would be nice for him to actually put on a good fight in the octagon.

[SwagU]

I wanna see Kimbo win, I liked the guy I saw on this show and it would be nice for him to actually put on a good fight in the octagon.

I also want Kimbo to win, he always made me laugh on the show and it would good for him to silence all those haters that thought he could never be a MMA fighter and that he was nothing but a street brawler. Well we will have to see how much Kimbo has learned since finishing the show and if that knee is still bothering him. I think it's goona be a great match since both guys love to strike and strike well, so im definitely predicting a KO in this fight by either fighter.

[Cicero]

Roy looks to have slimmed down quite a bit at the weigh in.

http://www.combatlifestyle.com/pics/albums/120409ufc/1061.jpg

http://www.combatlifestyle.com/pics/albums/120409ufc/1062.jpg

[SeanTaylorRIP]

He didn't really slim down, he weighted in just about at the max at 263. Once he rehydrates his body he'll be just as sloppy fat. Still though I would agree that it would appear coming in 2 pounds under for the weigh in that he is probably in good condition. I think Kimbo is going to really be sluggish and get KO'd. I'm surprised he weighed in at 212 considering the catch weight was 215 and also considering he's never had to cut weight in his life before. I have read articles that he has been very cranky and irritable in training. I think he'll just be too drained to even put up a fight. I think Houston will just clinch him immediately and known him with a couple knees. I just don't see Kimbo being comfortable with this weight especially for the first time. Houston is in his weight without having to worry about cutting. Anyways Houston is a more well versed and explosive all around striker IMO. It will be funny though if it goes to the ground.

[E-Man]

I would die laughing if Houston and Kimbo had a gentleman's agreement to take the fight to the ground.

[Cicero]

It's K1 time owwwright! Yes I will refrain from posting spoilers.

[Cicero]

This is seriously amazing so far. You absolutely have to catch the replay tomorrow.

[Cicero]

So tired but it was so worth it. It couldn't possibly have been better.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

It's K1 time owwwright! Yes I will refrain from posting spoilers.

Watched it as well. Amazing.

[Ravens1991]

god I hope I dont fall asleep b4 hammil VS. Jones, a 12 hour wrestling tournament will really burn you out.

[WMD]

Houston wtf. Trying to make Kimbo dizzy or something..

[Ravens1991]

WTF IS going on. a minute and a half of circles this is embarassing.

[WMD]

That was the worst first round of anything I've ever seen!

[WMD]

Nice suplex Kimbo!!

[LTgiants]

Kimbo got ground skills now

[TACKLE]

That was the worst first round of anything I've ever seen!

WTF was that. You can't even call the first round a fight.

Glad to see Kimbo taking it to him in the second round.

[WMD]

Weaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak! I want my money back!

[619]

Kimboooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[TACKLE]

That was awful. Houston fought like a *****. At least Kimbo won.

[Ravens1991]

Kimbo got ground skills now

http://skepacabra.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/facepalm.jpg




at least real MMA is on now.

[Cicero]

I would pay money to never have to watch either of those guys in the octagon again.

[LTgiants]

http://skepacabra.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/facepalm.jpg




at least real MMA is on now.

I was commenting on the ground skills he showed in the 2nd round compared to what he was showing the past even you have to admit its a improvement. I didn't say it was a good fight or anything that would deserve a facepalm.

[LTgiants]

That sucks for Jon Jones

[Ravens1991]

i gotcha I didnt understand.



and that sucks 4 jon jones but he did break a rule. And Jon Jones will hold a LHW belt some day!

[Jensen]

Sucks for Jon Jones. Can't wait until he fights again. Definitely one of my favorite up-and-comers.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

My gut says they'll get that overturned to a NC.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

That was the worst first round of anything I've ever seen!

I watched the first 2 and a half minutes of the Kimbo fight, then quickly flicked to the Williams-Martinez fight and saw more punches in that brief 2 second window than in the entire first round of the Kimbo fight.

2nd round was really exciting, but then it went back to ****.

[TACKLE]

Make your pick.

Roy Nelson or Brendan Schaub.

I'm taking Schaub.

[Ravens1991]

tito and chuck TUF coaches. You cant be serious...

[JRTPlaya21]

what a freaking knockout!

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

WOW. I was gonna be pissed if Roy won in his usual way... but wow. Excellent job catching him by Roy. Still hate him, but at least now I view him as legit.

[Cicero]

Big Country's still got a granite chin.

[Ward]

Even if Jones gets the NC, he was still clearly going to win that fight. Does anyone dispute this? I had only read online about Bones before tonight, and he definitely lived up to the hype. He's got a frame like The Spider, and he's so fast and unpredictable. I thought ref was going to call it when he first got that mount and suddenly he jumped up the intensity to 10.

[E-Man]

It sucks that Jones got DQed, but in the end he had a really good showing against a good opponent. He looks more patient now, and I love his progress so far.

[E-Man]

So I'm watching my recording of the TUF 10 Finale, and Schoonover looked seriously out of shape. He looks like he put on 15 pounds of fat. How in the hell did he go from this:

http://www.fightersforge.com/ff/Darrill_Schoonover/IMAG001.JPG

to what we saw tonight? Did he get injured and ballooned in weight or something like that?

[Ward]

TUF implied he has issues w/ alcohol. Could be that.

[TACKLE]

I wondered why they gave Titties another fight. I would of loved to see Demeco vs. McSweeney.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

I think I heard some speculation that he gained weight to get on the show and if he won he'd drop down to 205. Still though, you'd think he'd put on better weight. Ward, you might be onto something though because that would help explain the "titties"

[Ravens1991]

IDK how they can overrule the Jones fight to a NC, it was obvious Jones was going to win but Hammil could not fight after recieving a illegal blow, IDK how that can become a NC.

[SwagU]

I was very impressed with Kimbo, you can see that the move to American Top Team has helped him tremendously. Kimbo's takedown defense impressed me the most in the fight, on the show we saw Roy take him down without even breaking a sweat but in the finale we saw Slice stuff many attempts by Alexander to gain full mount. Slice's ground game looks like it is a bit better, I was totally surprised when I saw Kimbo almost have Houston in a rear naked choke. Only thing is Slice got really exhausted by the end of the fight and had no power left to finish the fight. I am a firm believer Slice is for real now and that he is making tremendous strides to becomeing a legit MMA fighter. I think if Slice can Really work on his striking defense, his stamina and hone his all around skills more, I wouldnt be surprised if Kimbo starts making some waves on the UFC scene.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Takedown defense as in the one attempt Houston made, and it was Houston. Kimbo will probably fight at 205. He'll definitley bring in big bucks for the UFC but Joe Silva is going to have to be very smart with his selections giving Kimbo the right fights. I fcking hate Houston Alexander, he's such a b*tch. While yeah Kimbo improved on the ground compared to nothing it's still not at any level to handle anyone with true skill. Still with the right matches he can continue winning based off of his insane strength and decent boxing skills.

[djp]

Kimbo was taking punches like they were nothing in the 2nd round once he tired out Alexander. He would get crushed by a real fighter right now. Houston fought like such a *****.

However those slams were pretty awesome. He has the raw strength to do that to anyone, if he can work off those and really try to take advantage of that, he could be decent.

[jared]

FWIW regarding the Jones DQ:

"Nevada State Athletic Director Keith Kizer just informed MMAjunkie.com that the disqualification result was the first-ever use of instant replay in the commission's history. After halting the bout, Mazzagatti asked for the replay to determine whether the illegal blows contributed to the ending of the fight. When replays showed that the elbows scored directly to the eye, the disqualification result was issued. Because the illegal blows landed as part of the sequence that ended the fight, the ruling was made."

http://mmajunkie.com/news/17089/the-ultimate-fighter-10-finale-official-play-by-play-and-live-results.mma

[SeanTaylorRIP]

It sucks for Bones that if Hamill had been able to continue he would have just been deducted a point and the fight would go on. Just an unfortunate situation but things happen. He was a second from winning the fight at any moment, you just have to blame his camp for not clarifying the rules to him, but this fight will probably make him even more determined and dangerous rather than blowing through a win.

[SwagU]

Takedown defense as in the one attempt Houston made, and it was Houston. Kimbo will probably fight at 205. He'll definitley bring in big bucks for the UFC but Joe Silva is going to have to be very smart with his selections giving Kimbo the right fights. I fcking hate Houston Alexander, he's such a b*tch. While yeah Kimbo improved on the ground compared to nothing it's still not at any level to handle anyone with true skill. Still with the right matches he can continue winning based off of his insane strength and decent boxing skills.

You have to remember that it is honestly like Kimbo is just starting MMA fresh again since TUF. Up until TUF Kimbo was not getting any great training, he learned a ton on TUF and now he has switched over to ATT where he can get great training. When he made the switch to ATT you honestly just have to wipe the slate clean and start fresh with Kimbo, so yesterday was as if it was his first pro fight. I see great improvement in his game and he is only going to get better and I saw him stuff more then one of Alexander's attempt's not to mention that unbelieveable slam.

[UKfan]

http://i48.tinypic.com/zr59f.jpg

My new favourite gif ever, especially the ref facepalming himself at the end

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Houston is such a ***** though... honestly Houston, there was a reason they put you up against Kimbo, and it wasn't to see you circle around and throw a leg kick once every 11 seconds. Don't try to be Lyoto Machida, because you're not nearly good enough to do that.

[SwagU]

Houston is such a ***** though... honestly Houston, there was a reason they put you up against Kimbo, and it wasn't to see you circle around and throw a leg kick once every 11 seconds. Don't try to be Lyoto Machida, because you're not nearly good enough to do that.

Yeah it was kinda ***** how Houston just kept circleing, I would understand like the first minute to see if Kimbo would be usual Kimbo and rush in and catch him with a counter, but when you have circled him for 3 mins and you see he has changed his gameplan and wont rush you you just look like a *****. I blame Alexander, Kimbo was ready to go and throw but did the smart thing in not rushing Alexander and possibly being caught with a counter.

[E-Man]

http://i48.tinypic.com/zr59f.jpg

My new favourite gif ever, especially the ref facepalming himself at the end

HAHAHA!!!! That is MMA gold right there. I think the Kimbo fight was the combination of two things. Kimbo is a little better than we thought, and Houston is a lot worse than most thought. Nobody thought of Houston as a world beater, but people thought he at least had better striking than circling and throwing weak kicks every five seconds. Kimbo showed that he has improved, but honestly it wasn't enough to do anything but beat cans. I can't see him beating anyone legit in the UFC. Houston was legit for Kimbo to an extent, but the guy is 2-4 in the UFC for a reason. I think Kimbo would probably fight Elvis Sinosic next.

[Ward]

So... I waited on Rulon Gardner tonight where I work (...as a waiter). Very nice, humble dude. Opening up a gym in the city I'm at. Fitness/wrestling/mma. He claims it will be 24/7, be 25k sqft, cage, boxing ring, top of the line mats (Zebra)... and it will be cheaper than my BJJ gym!

[E-Man]

Damn a Rulon Gardener gym would be sick to train in. Sounds like he has a really nice plan in place there.

[Ward]

Damn a Rulon Gardener gym would be sick to train in. Sounds like he has a really nice plan in place there.

Yeah and I guess it could turn out to be total B.S., but as he presented it the place sounds sick.

[YAYareaRB]

Kimbo is definitely a work in progress. ATT did a great job working with him and I hope he continues to improve (which he will). I believe Kimbo wants this. Anyone who wants to see Kimbo fail is just being a hater plain and simple.

[josh07039]

Hendo to Strikeforce. I'm not sure how to feel about it because there are some good matchups for him there. He has fights Shields, Moussasi, Lawler, and Fedor(Saw rumors someone that may happen). However, I really wanted to see him go against Marquardt and potentially get a rematch with Silva. The problem will be that even when his contract is up, he may not be welcomed back to the UFC, even if he destroys everyone Strikeforce has to offer.

[El Peefs?????]

After watching TUF and the finale ive come to think Kimbo has no more than a couple more fights with the UFC.

Kimbo has been training MMA/grappling for 2+ years now. He has trained with El Guapo, ATT etc. And this is all he has improved in over 2 years? To compare, Marcus Jones has been training for the same amount of time and has 20x the ground game of Kimbo. Its taken 2 years for kimbo to learn a minimal amount of bjj. Houston seemed like he was trying to give Kimbo a choke to get out of the fight & twice Kimbo didnt know how to apply one. The simplest sub in all of bjj besides maybe a can opener.

Then there is his knee. Not only is it clearly damaged, but Kimbo is cognisant and wary of it already. He almost got KO'd by those ridiculously weak leg kicks Alexander was throwing. I just don't see UFC caliber fighters losing to Kimbo, a grappler will destroy him and a kick boxer/muay thai fighter will knock him out. Not to mention he is too big for LHW & much too small for HW.

So Dana can hand pick a few more opponents for Kimbo & get some PPV sales & hype out of him, but he is never going to be able to succeed against UFC level competition.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Shields would be great as Hendo would step in and be the middleweight champion and down the line get another favorable matchup in either Lawler or Cung Le. I just can't see Shields doing much on Hendo other than pulling off a sub. Shields just isn't a natural middleweight and his lacking of striking development over the years is scary. He also only got the strikeforce MW title by basically beating another WW in Mayhem. Hendo against Moussasi for the LHW title would be very interesting and a fight I'd pay to see.

[El Peefs?????]

Ya Shields whole game is controlling and out wrestling his opponent. I don't see that working so well against a former Olympic wrestler who is twice his size.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Ya Shields whole game is controlling and out wrestling his opponent. I don't see that working so well against a former Olympic wrestler who is twice his size.

He'll probably get KO'ed quick. Shileds tries to shoot every time he actually has to engage in stand up but with Hendo's ability to just shrug him off like a rag doll Hendo will land a big right and put him out. I think Shields weighed in at like 180 or something for his MW title fight and Hendo's going to come in at 185 having cut down from 210+.

[Rosebud]

Mousasi v Hendo is the only reason I want to see Hendo in strikeforce

[YAYareaRB]

Well like I said, I hope Kimbo improves. He's surrounded with people and has the tools to allow him to do so. His raw athleticism is already there. The more experience he picks up the more things he'll learn. This isn't exactly a sport where people just stop learning things.

[E-Man]

Mousassi vs. Hendo is a pretty good matchup for Hendo in Strikeforce, but that's really the only big time one for him. If I'm not mistaken King Mo trains at Team Quest, so that's not going to happen, and even if he didn't King Mo has too little experience to face a fighter of Hendo's quality. There is Lawler, and that's a good matchup, but it isn't something that really stands out as a must see fight. I wouldn't mind watching it though, because I like both guys.

The only reason to see Hendo fight Nick Diaz is to watch him utterly destroy the ******** hype surrounding him. For some reason there is a legion of people who think that Nick Diaz could beat GSP and A. Silva. Diaz isn't the same fighter of Hendo's caliber, and there could be a nice Bisping type finish if Diaz flips the guy off like he did to Frank Shamrock.

The Fedor fight would make no sense. Hendo is a great fighter with history, but there's no reason he should move up to fight Fedor. Sure there is name recognition, but that's about it. Hendo is too small for that, and even in Strikeforce's thin heavyweight division there are better matchups for Fedor's last two fights there.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Lil Nog's next opponent will be Brandon Vera at UFC 109. TBH I don't think stylistically this is a great matchup for Lil Nog. First off Vera had been training with the Nogueira brothers so he isn't unfamiliar with his game. While Vera has been a disappointment and underachiever I could easily see him taking this in a decision. I think his very good leg kicks will keep the distance and avoid him being dominated by Nog's superior boxing skills. Vera also has very good wrestling shown in his ability to stuff Randy's takedown's all night. On the ground Nog definitely has the advantage but Vera is no push over on the ground either. It really sucks because this match would have a lot more zing to it if Vera was just awarded the win over Randy which I felt he truly deserved. This could have been a #1 contender fight, with that said Nog might be the next in line after Shogun for a title shot.

Also announced for 109 is Marquardt vs Sonnen which might not be the most exciting fight but likely determines the next shot at the title, presumably after Vitor I suppose. Koscheck will also have a rematch against Thiago and IMO Kos can make a legitimate claim for a #1 contender match if he avenges that loss. Damian Maia will match up against Dan Miller which should hopefully get him back on track. Matt Serra is fighting Frank Trigg in a fight I may have cared about if it were a couple years back. Also I'm sure everyone is pumped for Rolles Gracie's debut against Al-Turk. Should be interesting to see which limb is torn off. It's a freaking stacked card it's funny though the main event is Couture and Mark Coleman which will be nice for nostalgia but really isn't a fight I want to see. It has potential to be epically boring.

[Ravens1991]

So... I waited on Rulon Gardner tonight where I work (...as a waiter). Very nice, humble dude. Opening up a gym in the city I'm at. Fitness/wrestling/mma. He claims it will be 24/7, be 25k sqft, cage, boxing ring, top of the line mats (Zebra)... and it will be cheaper than my BJJ gym!

You lucky SOB, Rulon is my hero and not only does he have a connection to MMA. He also has the greatest upset in sports history. My backround picture is Rulon wearing his gold medal w/ Karelin next to him looking at the ground.

[Ward]

You lucky SOB, Rulon is my hero and not only does he have a connection to MMA. He also has the greatest upset in sports history. My backround picture is Rulon wearing his gold medal w/ Karelin next to him looking at the ground.

He was a total class act in person, and not only that but I fully subscribe to the theory that you can judge a person's character by how they treat waiters. I'm biased b/c I am a waiter, but I think it holds up. Point being: he was cool to wait on, not a jerk, not pushy, didn't act like his **** didn't stink. I am really hoping he stays involved with the gym, because people will be sold just from meeting him. I sure was.

FWIW he claims that he could have fought Fedor for $1 mil. I didn't ask him why he didn't, didn't want to upset him just in case it was the fact that Fedor would destroy Rulon IMO. It's MMA. He also implied that he would tool Lesnar in wrestling. We didn't talk about this stuff until after the meal. I didn't even acknowledge that I knew who he was until after they were done eating. From previous dealings with (sort of) famous people is that if you're just cool and do your job as normal (aka bringing your A game casually) they will appreciate you and will be cool with you afterward. I sat down and talked with them for 10-15 minutes before I had to get up and see if I had any pissed off customers to deal with because I had stopped everything I was doing. (Un)luckily no one was waiting for me, so I got up for no reason and no customers = no money. Had back of house work to do anyway, so that was it.

[fenikz]

R47kqBRilXI

[themaninblack]

Haha its rly weird seeing Fedor in a commercial like that.

[Ravens1991]

He was a total class act in person, and not only that but I fully subscribe to the theory that you can judge a person's character by how they treat waiters. I'm biased b/c I am a waiter, but I think it holds up. Point being: he was cool to wait on, not a jerk, not pushy, didn't act like his **** didn't stink. I am really hoping he stays involved with the gym, because people will be sold just from meeting him. I sure was.

FWIW he claims that he could have fought Fedor for $1 mil. I didn't ask him why he didn't, didn't want to upset him just in case it was the fact that Fedor would destroy Rulon IMO. It's MMA. He also implied that he would tool Lesnar in wrestling. We didn't talk about this stuff until after the meal. I didn't even acknowledge that I knew who he was until after they were done eating. From previous dealings with (sort of) famous people is that if you're just cool and do your job as normal (aka bringing your A game casually) they will appreciate you and will be cool with you afterward. I sat down and talked with them for 10-15 minutes before I had to get up and see if I had any pissed off customers to deal with because I had stopped everything I was doing. (Un)luckily no one was waiting for me, so I got up for no reason and no customers = no money. Had back of house work to do anyway, so that was it.

I think he would have had a shot at Fedor, call me crazy but this guy is the most mentally tough man on earth. He has had several occasions in his life when he was supposed to die yet he fought through it and survived. Not to mention his teachers all through his life told him he cant handle college because of his mental disability, he graduated w/ a degree from nebraska. Also he holds the greatest upset of all time over Karelin. Look into his story it is the most inspirational thing ever.

[Ward]

If I get get a photo op in the next few months, I'll post. I didn't have a camera better than my phone w/ me, and I also felt weird about asking since it was a social situation for him (going out to eat w/ friends and family). At his gym though I would have no problems asking, especially if I become a member.

Also, BJ is going to destroy Sanchez assuming he's even halfway in shape.

[Ravens1991]

I was fourtanete enough to get a picture w/ him when he came to a local HS to do a speech, unfourtanetly i dont have it up on line. He really is a true american hero, his match against Karelin was a real life Rocky 4.


and I agree Sanchez style wise will get crushed.

I want to see Frankie Edgar get a title shot, styleistically i think he can push BJ. W/ his heart I think he could push the pace to tire BJ out, then use his nice wrestling to takedown a tired BJ and grind out a decision (yes Edgar is one of my favorite fighters so that was very biased)

[fenikz]

I think Diego is the closest thing Penn has to competition at LW in the UFC, but I don't see him winning

[YAYareaRB]

Is strikeforce becoming as big the UFC? I'm very interested in it and the roster they have put together

[fenikz]

i'm lovin' it™

SF is putting out a free quality card every month

[Rosebud]

Is strikeforce becoming as big the UFC? I'm very interested in it and the roster they have put together

I don't think there on UFC's level, but I can't wait to see Hendo/Mousasi and Overeem/Fedor.

I was catching up on some MMA yesterday and after finally watching the tito/forest fight decided to re-watch tito/Machida, Machida will dominate any wrestler in that division because of his great balance, take down d and surprising strength to shake a big strong guy like tito off like he's nothing. Lyoto also was handling Tito when they ended up on the ground which got me thinking, if Shogun keeps kicking lyoto's legs in the re-match, should lyoto take Shogun down and try and get that concern in his mind to counter-act those kicks?

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I think Diego is the closest thing Penn has to competition at LW in the UFC, but I don't see him winning

I don't think Diego matches up well with B.J. at all. Sure Diego has unreal intensity and cardio but if anything he'll just be more of an annoyance to B.J. Diego is going to get picked apart also since dropping down to LW he hasn't been that effective taking guys down and B.J. is probably one of the best takedown stuffers in the game with his unreal balance and cage awareness. I think Diego should be the one worried about ending up on his back. Even if he does manage to take down B.J. at some point B.J.'s guard is too great for Diego to really put some gnp damage on him. The only chance I give Diego is because his striking has become more unpredictable and he will throw some unorthodox strikes from time to time. But essentially this fight should be a B.J. Penn tutorial. Diego's pushing style can beat most LW's but stylistically he just isn't skilled enough to hang with B.J. and he doesn't have brute strength and super heavy hands like say Maynard. I still think though that people don't give Diego enough respect for how well rounded his game has become. I wanted to see him fight KenFlo before he got a straight title shot to B.J.

[cvv84]

Anyone with an internet link to UFC 107 could send it to me it would be much appreciated.

[RaiderNation]

Anyone with an internet link to UFC 107 could send it to me it would be much appreciated.

Me too please. Will +rep

[josh07039]

Anyone with an internet link to UFC 107 could send it to me it would be much appreciated.

same please

[Cicero]

How did you guys do picking the undercard? I missed one.

[Cicero]

They're both gassed now.

[josh07039]

How did you guys do picking the undercard? I missed one.
I missed one as well. The Nelson/Wiman fight was the one that did it for me.

[Cicero]

Days like this are when I worry that I'm going to become a degenerate gambler once I have a disposable income haha.

[jayceheathman]

I missed one as well. The Nelson/Wiman fight was the one that did it for me.

Did you guys find a working link? Can you pm it to me please? I'm still looking for a spanish one because those usually work the best.

[jayceheathman]

Days like this are when I worry that I'm going to become a degenerate gambler once I have a disposable income haha.

I'm already at that point although I didnt bet on the ppv. I did bet that Ingram would win the Heisman. I won about $26.

[Cicero]

Your inbox is full.

[cvv84]

Man do I wish that 2nd link was working.... Mir, wow!

[Cicero]

Man do I wish that 2nd link was working.... Mir, wow!

It's working for me hmm.

[cvv84]

It's working for me hmm.

Its working now, just took a LONG time to load after it stopped.

[cvv84]

Main Event Baby!!

[themaninblack]

link plzzzzzzzz

[Cicero]

BJ destroyed Diego that round. Complete dominance.

[cvv84]

BJ destroyed Diego that round. Complete dominance.

Deja vu for round 2

[Cicero]

As long as he doesn't get knocked out he's got an easy W.

[D-Unit]

BJ Penn... Masterful.

[cvv84]

The crowd is starting to boo when Diego tries (and keeps failing) to take Penn down

[Cicero]

That is a terrible terrible looking cut.

[jayceheathman]

That is a terrible terrible looking cut.

That is the biggest cut I have seen. Holy **********

[D-Unit]

I can see his freakin' brain... that's gross!!!!!

Diego better go straight to ER.

[D-Unit]

BJ Penn for Heisman!!!! :D