MMA Discussion Thread - SPOILERS!

[jayceheathman]

I can see his freakin' brain... that's gross!!!!!

Diego better go straight to ER.

That doctor had no choice but to call that. That cut was beyond gross. Now we will be hearing BJ vs GSP part 3 and then GSP will destroy him for the 3rd time. :)

[D-Unit]

That doctor had no choice but to call that. That cut was beyond gross. Now we will be hearing BJ vs GSP part 3 and then GSP will destroy him for the 3rd time. :)
BJ shouldn't play cheaters. But is there anyone else in this weight class left?

[Chucky]

BJ shouldn't play cheaters. But is there anyone else in this weight class left?

I hope you are not hating on GSP, just because he can destroy BJ

[Cicero]

BJ shouldn't play cheaters. But is there anyone else in this weight class left?

In a word. No.

[D-Unit]

I hope you are not hating on GSP, just because he can destroy BJ
Are you telling me GSP didn't cheat? LMAO.

[Chucky]

Are you telling me GSP didn't cheat? LMAO.

The reason that Penn got his ass handed to him was not the vaseline, it was because he didnt train properly and was very pudgy for the fight

[D-Unit]

The reason that Penn got his ass handed to him was not the vaseline, it was because he didnt train properly and was very pudgy for the fight
OK, you know nothing. I'd like to see GSP go down to Lightweight and see what happens. BJ moving up was always a disadvantage, but you gotta respect the guts he had in doing so. It's all good though. BJ is a legend.

[Chucky]

OK, you know nothing. I'd like to see GSP go down to Lightweight and see what happens. BJ moving up was always a disadvantage, but you gotta respect the guts he had in doing so. It's all good though. BJ is a legend.

There is no way in hell GSP could ever cut to 155, have you seen the guy HAHA. Are you serious? I know nothing? While it is a somewhat gutsy for BJ to move up, if he had trained properly he would definately to be able to fight comfortabely at 170, he just doesnt have the work ethic to do so.

[D-Unit]

There is no way in hell GSP could ever cut to 155, have you seen the guy HAHA. Are you serious? I know nothing? While it is a somewhat gutsy for BJ to move up, if he had trained properly he would definately to be able to fight comfortabely at 170, he just doesnt have the work ethic to do so.
Please. You know nothing about his training or the sport if you think that. Penn is a natural, but you misinterpret that as lazy because he doesn't pass the eye test. Of course he'd look pudgy at 170, he's not even cut at this weight.

[Chucky]

Please. You know nothing about his training or the sport if you think that. Penn is a natural, but you misinterpret that as lazy because he doesn't pass the eye test. Of course he'd look pudgy at 170, he's not even cut at this weight.

More has to do with his general lack of stamina.

Nice try thoug

[Ward]

Yeah Chucky, pudgy guys never win fights...

[Chucky]

Yeah Chucky, pudgy guys never win fights...

I meant to refer more to his stamina.

[Ward]

I meant to refer more to his stamina.

Oh so you can visibly determine someone's cardio conditioning, I see.

[BlindSite]

BJ having bad stamina has been a myth now for about 3 years. The guy has great cardio and has done since he beat joe daddy/

[soybean]

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/thumbnail_crop/600/_images/pictures/20091212104856_IMG_6256.JPG

[D-Unit]

I meant to refer more to his stamina.

Tonight BJ didn't even sit between rounds... I think you're digging yourself a bigger hole.

GSP is a great fighter who I respect, but he shouln't have done what he did. He probably would've won fair and square without the grease.

[D-Unit]

http://www.cdn.sherdog.com/thumbnail_crop/600/_images/pictures/20091212104856_IMG_6256.JPG
It doesn't make me any less queasy even now. Grody gross gross.

Sanchez has a big heart though. Much respect to him for heart.

[Rob S]

ugh...................I am drunk, but some stuff is painfully obvioius.

1. GSP can never cut to 155
2. BJ was at a disadvantage at 170
3. GSP will always whoop BJ's ass at 170 regardless of vaseline
4. Both are the man at their weight class
5. There is nothing to argue about: BJ is the man at 155, GSP is the man at 170, GSP is higer p4p, thats all.

[fenikz]

I dont like GSP or Penn both seem like pretentious assholes and i wouldn't pay to see GSP whoop BJ's ass for a 3rd time, cheating or not, GSP is a huge WW and Penn looks like he could cut to featherweight if he wanted to

[jayceheathman]

I dont like GSP or Penn both seem like pretentious assholes and i wouldn't pay to see GSP whoop BJ's ass for a 3rd time, cheating or not, GSP is a huge WW and Penn looks like he could cut to featherweight if he wanted to

GSP doesnt seem like an asshole. He doesnt talk crap like the others. His fights are usually boring but he doesnt seem like an asshole.

[bernbabybern820]

Tonight BJ didn't even sit between rounds... I think you're digging yourself a bigger hole.

GSP is a great fighter who I respect, but he shouln't have done what he did. He probably would've won fair and square without the grease.

BJ never sits between rounds.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

BJ shouldn't play cheaters. But is there anyone else in this weight class left?

Maynard, Aoki, Alvarez, Kawajiri...Edgar?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

By the way, Stefan Struve needs to learn Semmy Schlit's front kick and learn what a jab is.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Gray Maynard is really the only guy in the UFC who I'd want to fight B.J. Most likely B.J. would just pick him apart but he is the only guy with a semi chance because of his enormous size/strength and heavy hands. I still think though he's too slow and doesn't show enough head movement to last against Penn. Unlike most I actually think Edgar would be a poor choice to fight B.J. and would just get demolished.

[MetSox17]

BJ having bad stamina has been a myth now for about 3 years. The guy has great cardio and has done since he beat joe daddy/

He gassed in his fight against GSP, and he gassed in his fight against Matt Hughes. How is that a myth?

[Rob S]

One thing I forgot to add in my drunken post (which I am quite happy with actually) is that while apperance is not generally indicative of cardio, in BJ's case it seems to be. In the fights he has gassed (namely Hughes, GSP) he has looked very pudgy. When BJ looks in shape, I have never seen him have cardio issues.

[RaiderNation]

What round did it last too? The BJ vs Sanchez fight?

[YAYareaRB]

What round did it last too? The BJ vs Sanchez fight?

4th I believe

[LTgiants]

no it was the 5th

[fenikz]

GSP doesnt seem like an asshole. He doesnt talk crap like the others. His fights are usually boring but he doesnt seem like an asshole.

I am not impressed by your rebuttle

[D-Unit]

I wanna see GSP fight Anderson Silva. Silva would demolish him to smithereens.

[Rosebud]

Just started watching ufc 107 and Struve looked really good in the first fight.

[MetSox17]

I wanna see GSP fight Anderson Silva. Silva would demolish him to smithereens.

And i wanna see Silva fight Brock Lesnar. We can do this all day.

[Rosebud]

And i wanna see Silva fight Brock Lesnar. We can do this all day.

Silva would kill lesnar, assuming they met at a catch weight around 235.

[DHVF]

Silva would kill lesnar, assuming they met at a catch weight around 235.
Haha, that wouldn't even be possible for Lesnar. He already does enough cutting to get down to 265.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

I'd like to see Lesnar fight Jose Aldo at a catchweight of 195.

[Ward]

I'd like to see Lesnar fight Jose Aldo at a catchweight of 195.

I want to see Bob Sapp vs Brian Bowles.

[MetSox17]

Silva would kill lesnar, assuming they met at a catch weight around 235.

And what incentive would Brock Lesnar EVER have of cutting close to 70 lbs off his normal weight?

If Silva wanted to be a HW, Brock wouldn't have a problem beating Silva. I just don't see how Silva could ever get a man of Brock's size off his body.

[D-Unit]

Mike Tyson in his prime gives any of these fools the beat down with 4oz gloves instead of the 16oz ones used in boxing.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Mike Tyson in his prime gives any of these fools the beat down with 4oz gloves instead of the 16oz ones used in boxing.

His power is so discombobulatingly devastating he feels their muscle tissues collapse under his force. It's ludicrous those mortals would even attempt to enter his realm.

[MetSox17]

Muhammad Ali would beat Anderson Silva by rear naked choke.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Mike Tyson in his prime gives any of these fools the beat down with 4oz gloves instead of the 16oz ones used in boxing.

4oz gloves give you LESS power than 16oz, the only difference is you can't block as well with the smaller gloves, leading to more direct hits.

[MetSox17]

4oz gloves give you LESS power than 16oz, the only difference is you can't block as well with the smaller gloves, leading to more direct hits.

Would you rather take a Mike Tyson left hook with a 4oz glove or a 16oz glove?

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Would you rather take a Mike Tyson left hook with a 4oz glove or a 16oz glove?

4oz. 16oz gloves are basically wrecking balls. At least with a 4oz I have a chance to avoid.

[MetSox17]

4oz. 16oz gloves are basically wrecking balls. At least with a 4oz I have a chance to avoid.

No, there's no option of whether you can avoid it. You're taking it. Now again, would you rather take a punch that's less padded and where the power is concentrated on a smaller area (basically the knuckles) or a punch with a pillow in your hand?

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

If 4 oz. gloves are more powerful, you're basically saying mixed martial artists have laughable chins. Boxers will get hit flush in the face with big gloves tons of times over the course of a fight and not even look dazed.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

No, there's no option of whether you can avoid it. You're taking it. Now again, would you rather take a punch that's less padded and where the power is concentrated on a smaller area (basically the knuckles) or a punch with a pillow in your hand?

If you think 16 oz gloves are a pillow...good on you.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

If 4 oz. gloves are more powerful, you're basically saying mixed martial artists have laughable chins. Boxers will get hit flush in the face with big gloves tons of times over the course of a fight and not even look dazed.

Probably because boxers know what head movement is and don't walk into punches? Also, Boxers have better chances to recover due to no clinch and being able to just move away when rocked. In MMA, when someone gets hurt they get swarmed on. It's tough to compare.

Basically you're saying the laws of physics are wrong.

[LTgiants]

Probably because boxers know what head movement is and don't walk into punches? Also, Boxers have better chances to recover due to no clinch and being able to just move away when rocked. In MMA, when someone gets hurt they get swarmed on. It's tough to compare.

Basically you're saying the laws of physics are wrong.

There is clinching in boxing not muay thai clinch were u get kneed and submitted but boxers get hit in the clinch all the time. When you are hurt in boxing you get swarmed on as well as in mma.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

There is clinching in boxing not muay thai clinch were u get kneed and submitted but boxers get hit in the clinch all the time. When you are hurt in boxing you get swarmed on as well as in mma.

Holding and hitting is illegal in boxing, which is my point.

[LTgiants]

Holding and hitting is illegal in boxing, which is my point.

You are allowed to punch out. That's why you hear the refs say punch out or lets go.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

You are allowed to punch out. That's why you hear the refs say punch out or lets go.

You're still giving a fighter a breather and a chance to recover in the clinch.

[LTgiants]

You're still giving a fighter a breather and a chance to recover in the clinch.

a fighter can recover in the clinch in mma as well if they arent world class in the clinch, both fighters are exhausted, and other reasons

[Tampa 2 4 life]

a fighter can recover in the clinch in mma as well if they arent world class in the clinch, both fighters are exhausted, and other reasons

Usually, if a fighter sucks in the clinch he can at least pull a single and start GnPing the **** out of him. It's a different sport.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Probably because boxers know what head movement is and don't walk into punches? Also, Boxers have better chances to recover due to no clinch and being able to just move away when rocked. In MMA, when someone gets hurt they get swarmed on. It's tough to compare.

Basically you're saying the laws of physics are wrong.

There's a significant speed difference though with the smaller gloves. Probably enough of one to offset the weight of the glove and then some. For an example, Pacquiao wanted the 8 oz. gloves for his fight with Mayweather, Mayweather initially wanted 10 oz. gloves. The 8 oz. gloves let Manny throw with more power.

[LTgiants]

Usually, if a fighter sucks in the clinch he can at least pull a single and start GnPing the **** out of him. It's a different sport.

I am not saying it isnt a different sport I know its a completely different sport I was just trying to point out what your saying about the differences you tried to show about the two are not really correct.

[jared]

Originally Posted by D-Unit:
"Mike Tyson in his prime gives any of these fools the beat down with 4oz gloves instead of the 16oz ones used in boxing."

Originally Posted by Tampa 2 4 life
"4oz gloves give you LESS power than 16oz, the only difference is you can't block as well with the smaller gloves, leading to more direct hits."

Pro boxers use 8 or 10 oz gloves for competition. 16 oz is only for sparring. Why? Because it's safer for the puncher's hand and the punchee's face/body.

Your physics equation ignores the acceleration that a boxer is able to generate with gloves of different weights. A person can't generate as much acceleration if they are moving a heavier object (the glove). Try hitting a ball off of a tee with a 25 lb. baseball bat and let me know how far it goes.

The padding in a 16oz. glove serves to both a) slow the force of your punch before knuckle actually meets face, and b) disperse the shock over a larger glove surface area.

Ask someone who's been punched with gloves of different sizes. I'll take a 16oz for my sparring partner, thank you.

[Rob S]

tampa, you know MMA pretty well so I dont want to destroy you, but you are an absolute moron if you say 16 oz gloves pack more power than 4 oz gloves. Just a moron. Why do people always spar with 14-16 oz gloves?, because they dont want to risk injuries. I have been hit with both and it is truly an ignorant statement to say that 16 oz gloves will KO someone more often than 4 oz gloves.

[Bosanac01]

I always use 14-16 oz when I spar. The biggest difference is that you can't punch nearly as hard since they are much heavier than 4 oz, also providing more cushion for your opponent. When you spar with 16 oz and then move down to 4 oz, your hands feel 10x faster. Getting hit with a 16 is like getting hit with a hard pillow, you feel it, but it never effects you. I've never seen anyone get ko'd with a 16 oz.

edit: Tampa, I see you're a great mma fan, but you obviously never been in a ring/cage.

[JF4]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/12/16/1202863/frank-mir-vs-shane-carwin-for-the

Carwin vs. Mir for the interim belt like at UFC 111. Beauty fight in the making, does kind of suck to see my 2 favorite HW's go against each other but what the hell, should be an awesome fight.

It should be interesting to see if Mir has got the balls to stand with Carwin. Likewise should be a good test of Carwin's ground game. We did see a little bit of it when he fought Gonzaga but I don't see this fight being that short.

Very early prediction: Carwin via TKO round 2.

[djp]

http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2009/12/16/1202863/frank-mir-vs-shane-carwin-for-the

Carwin vs. Mir for the interim belt like at UFC 111. Beauty fight in the making, does kind of suck to see my 2 favorite go against each other but what the hell, should be an awesome fight.

It should be interesting to see if Mir has got the balls to stand with Carwin. Likewise should be a good test of Carwin's ground game. We did see a little bit of it when he fought Gonzaga but I don't see this fight being that short.

Very early prediction: Carwin via TKO round 2.

I could go either way on this fight. Early tapout by Mir or longer TKO in the 2nd or 3rd round by Carwin... tough. Give me some more time.

UFC is just ravaged with injuries right now. Just get everybody healthy so we don't have to deal with this again.. I hope they don't panic and try to make Silva or Lesnar come back too early.

[E-Man]

Yeaht he injury bug has hit the UFC majorly in the past few months. Now Lil' Nog is out against Vera at 109. I was really looking forward to seeing that fight, but Vera vs. Jones isn't a bad consolation.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Stylistically that is a tremendous test for Bones. Vera might be boring as hell but Jones is not going to plow through him like he has been doing to his lesser and slower opponents. Bones will learn that Vera actually has better and quicker technical striking when he's in the pocket so Bones will need to foucs on throwing a variation of different combo's which he's great at. Also Vera is a very good wrestler and stopped every single Randy takedown so Bones won't be able to just throw him around although Hamill was a great wrestler as well. The thing is that Vera always wants to be a damn kickboxer but IMO his ground game is strong as hell.

As for Carwin and Mir IMO Mir clearly has the better and quicker striking. Carwin of course has the power but IMO Mir is going to surprise a lot like before the Nog fight when everyone thought Nog would blast him stand up. Mir doesn't want to go to the ground with Carwin IMO especially not in his guard. Sure he could potentially find an easy sub but you don't want that massive man laying on you. I think Mir can pick apart Carwin standup and it will be Carwin trying to clinch and bring it to the mats. This should be a real test for Mir though to see if that added bulk means anything.

[Ward]

Jones over Vera via TKO.

[Rosebud]

Jones over Vera via TKO.

I'm pretty sure strip's going to be the only one to disagree with that prediction.

[SugarSean]

Pretty disappointed nobody's talkin about that Strikeforce show that was tonight. The Cung Le/Scott Smith fight was probably the most exciting MMA fight I've ever seen and it definitely had the most exciting finish. Plus you got to see King Mo and Jacare for the first time with Strikeforce. They both looked damn good. All around great card.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Pretty disappointed nobody's talkin about that Strikeforce show that was tonight. The Cung Le/Scott Smith fight was probably the most exciting MMA fight I've ever seen and it definitely had the most exciting finish. Plus you got to see King Mo and Jacare for the first time with Strikeforce. They both looked damn good. All around great card.

I ordered it last night since I was snowed in but mainly to see Jacare and Linland, but yeah the Cung Le fight was exciting, I can't believe though how stupid he was for letting his hands down with 3 minutes left in a fight that he dominated from start to finish. Also i don't know why he didn't stay down and let him self regroup. Also he was gassing bad although with how many kicks he throws it's understandable. Oh and also how can you not drool over King Mo's potential. The guy is a monster. He already had an elite world class wrestling base but his striking is so explosive, he's a freak athlete, and he is training with the world's best. Obviously though I believe 205 is his weight class to do damage and not heavyweight as he's way too small. I can't wait to see him step up in competition. A potential fight down the line with Mousasi would be a huge seller but right now he needs to build up some more quality wins. I think next they will give him someone like Antwain Britt, another young gun with explosive knock out power. I would love to see him and Britt lock horns.

[Rosebud]

Jacare's awesome. So far that's the only fight I've seen, but he's just so crafty on the ground.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

King Mo: Give him a decent-ish LHW next. He drops his hands too low at times for my liking, but perhaps he is ready for something like Jeremy Horn?

Jacare could probably beat any SF MW not named Hendo, and if Souza can develop that 1-2 to keep Hendo at bay I don't think that would be a blowout either.

Lindland is done.

Gilbert Melendez is back in the top 10, Him against Aoki would be a good match on paper.

Thomson vs Noons is a fight I'd want to see.

Antwain Britt has face melting power, as Jordan Breen likes to put it.

Scott Smith/Cung Le...Le just couldn't put Smith away, and it cost him.

Cerrone is the new Kongo. Also, that insane inverted triangle heel hook...thing he tried was awesome. I was disappointed he only got the RNC.

RIP Chris Horodecki.

Njokuani needs to keep developing his ground game, lest he get smothered again like he did against Ben Henderson, but his stand up is legit.

Takeya Mizugaki is a man. A man with an iron chin.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I ordered it last night since I was snowed in but mainly to see Jacare and Linland, but yeah the Cung Le fight was exciting, I can't believe though how stupid he was for letting his hands down with 3 minutes left in a fight that he dominated from start to finish. Also i don't know why he didn't stay down and let him self regroup. Also he was gassing bad although with how many kicks he throws it's understandable. Oh and also how can you not drool over King Mo's potential. The guy is a monster. He already had an elite world class wrestling base but his striking is so explosive, he's a freak athlete, and he is training with the world's best. Obviously though I believe 205 is his weight class to do damage and not heavyweight as he's way too small. I can't wait to see him step up in competition. A potential fight down the line with Mousasi would be a huge seller but right now he needs to build up some more quality wins. I think next they will give him someone like Antwain Britt, another young gun with explosive knock out power. I would love to see him and Britt lock horns.

I don't think Britt-Mo is a fight you make, because in an anemic LHW dicision, SF would be sinking a prospect, not to mention I think either Britt catches him early or just gets taken down repeatedly.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Well IMO it's better if one of them loses to each other than losing to a lesser opponent. I'm especially worried for Britt who can't handle himself on the ground. I'd just love to see the fireworks. I think Britt's handspeed would be a tough challenge for King Mo and really test his chin. Oh and BTW Gus Johnson is reason alone to order any Strikeforce event. I heard the next Strikeforce free CBS card in spring has Hendo/Shields, Fedor/Werdum, as well as Gina Carano. They really should be saving at least one of these big names as a ppv main event fight.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Well IMO it's better if one of them loses to each other than losing to a lesser opponent. I'm especially worried for Britt who can't handle himself on the ground. I'd just love to see the fireworks. I think Britt's handspeed would be a tough challenge for King Mo and really test his chin. Oh and BTW Gus Johnson is reason alone to order any Strikeforce event. I heard the next Strikeforce free CBS card in spring has Hendo/Shields, Fedor/Werdum, as well as Gina Carano. They really should be saving at least one of these big names as a ppv main event fight.

Britt's already lost to 3 lesser opponents, but besides that, It's just not good matchmaking to put your top 2 prospects against each other when they're so green, especially Lawal.

Next Strikeforce card has Zaromskis/Diaz, which will be amazing.

[themaninblack]

I started watching that card during the Melendez-Thomson bout and that was a really great fight. Reminded me of the Griffin-Bonnar fight from the TUF final way back. Was just a really good brawl that was fun to watch.

The Cung Le-Smith fight was also very very good. Le was absolutely dominating that fight until he got caught. He was putting on a kicking clinic and its pretty amazing that Smith could even stand there and take that kind of punishment.

[Ravens1991]

I am glad Melendez won, he is one of my favorite LWs

[SugarSean]

I can't wait to see who they throw at Noons first. I'm in the minority but I'm a big fan. I think he's a beast.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Well most people hate him because he's the biggest D-bag out there but you can't deny his dangerous striking.

[E-Man]

I love watching Jacare fight. His striking is coming along nicely, and if he puts together a decent complementary striking game to go with his top level elite ground game he'll be a monster champ.

And I'm definitely a big fan of Njokuani. He trains from here, so I'm always excited to see him get a nice knockout. Especially when it was pretty funny to boot.

[E-Man]

This thread seems to have died a little. Probably because UFC 108 is pretty much cursed, and not really all that appealing. They did the best they could with all the injuries though. The main event is a good fight though. You've got two top ten light heavys going at it, and chances are it will turn out to be a quick one. Rashad is patient, but Thiago isn't. He's calmed down since the Lyoto fight, but he's still got an aggressive streak that could keep lead to a quick finish. He could get the knock out, but Rashad does have a good chin and counters while Thiago has gotten tagged in many of his fights I have seen. I just hope this doesn't turn into Rashad vs. Bisping. That fight was pretty boring.

[BlindSite]

Thats the thing about this card it has been messed around just enough to be awesome, Louzon, Hazlett and Dos Santos is a rising star.

Evans Thiago isn't that exciting since I think Evans will knock him out counter punching. Thiago is a decent fighter, but way too aggressive and no wrestling to speak of.

[E-Man]

Yeah the card might still be exciting. There are two parts to making a good card. Matchups and good fights. We won't really know how good the card is until after Saturday, so I just try to hold off on calling it a bad card. UFC 91 was supposed to be terrible, but that ended up being pretty damn good. Hopefully we get some good fights. Rashad is my favorite fighter so it's good to see him in action again, and Hazlett is exciting as hell to watch so I'm glad we're seeing him too.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Who cares, Dynamite!! is tonight, and Gary Goodridge just might die.

[themaninblack]

I'll probably try and catch 108 if I can. I like some of the matchups but the UFC is just screwed right now with all the injuries so they havent had as many big name fights on each card. Hopefully I can get a way to watch it on the interwebz.

[MiWolves]

Shinya Aoki vs Hirota match had the most crazy submission move I've seen since Ryo Chonan's flying scissor kick.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Shinya Aoki vs Hirota match had the most crazy submission move I've seen since Ryo Chonan's flying scissor kick.

The Los Angeles Police Deplota


That is my pet name for it.

[Rob S]

The Los Angeles Police Deplota


That is my pet name for it.

“Let's name it 'Keichi Sasahara 2010.' Because Sasahara told me to take him out, so I went and did just that, and that's why I figure I should name it after him.” -- Shinya Aoki

[cvv84]

Anyone with a link to UFC 108 it would be much appreciated and you'll be rep raped instantly. (yes I know prelims are free on Spike btw)

[fenikz]

Anyone with a link to UFC 108 it would be much appreciated and you'll be rep raped instantly. (yes I know prelims are free on Spike btw)

pony backing on this, my 1000+ rep points have to be good for something

[LTgiants]

pony backing on this, my 1000+ rep points have to be good for something

I Also will give you as much +rep that I have.

[Dr. Gonzo]

**** Justin.tv. Link deleting bastards. They used to be cool!

[cvv84]

I found a link, anyone interesed send me a message and I'll send it to you.

[cvv84]

Oh you sons on bitches!! Link went offline...



Phew ok its back

[cvv84]

Wow what a submission for Cole Miller!

[cvv84]

This is a great fight going on right now!!!

[cvv84]

Main event up now

[cvv84]

Silva you are one stupid mo-fo!

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Things I learned tonight:

-Rashad is overrated, would get crushed by vintage Rampage. Bad footwork, Bad top control.
- Thiago has terrible cardio. Terrible Takedown defense.
- Daley hits hard.
-Hazelett shouldn't be standing up with Daley.
-Yvel is the guy who went 2-7 in pride, not a HW Manhoef.
-JDS beat his least impressive opponent impressively,
- Cole Miller's got serious bjj.
-Munoz is an underrated guy at 185, now. Could give a lot of guys trouble.
-Stout is ready for a Guida/Maynard-Diaz loser.
-Kampmann has god awful striking defense.
-Volkmann isn't ready for the big show, he should have entered Bellator's 170 tournament.

[fenikz]

please give JDS some talent to destroy, im tired of him just wrecking people over and over, I know Cain Velasquez is the UFC's golden boy but you can't hold Dos Santos back forever

[Tampa 2 4 life]

please give JDS some talent to destroy, im tired of him just wrecking people over and over, I know Cain Velasquez is the UFC's golden boy but you can't hold Dos Santos back forever

You don't even have to give him Cain. Give him Pat Berry or <insert random wrestler here>.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

JDS and Pat Berry that would be a huge seller. It might not last more than a few minutes but it sure as hell would never hit the ground. Love Sam Stout, that is one tough SOB who hits hard as hell. I did come away impressed with Mark Munoz. Obviously he won't do anything outside of his comfort zone and wrestling base but there are few guys who can avoid his shot. His standup still looks cruddy though and we haven't seen him face a serious BJJ opponent.

[Ravens1991]

JDS did destroy Werdum and he is a talented fighter. But I agree I would love a Cain JDS match up

[josh07039]

JDS did destroy Werdum and he is a talented fighter. But I agree I would love a Cain JDS match upI really want to see him against Cain. I just think that JDS hasn't been tested by a big time takedown artist. While beating werdum is impressive on paper, werdum's chin/stand up lets him down in big spots, Cro Cop looked terrible and may be done, and Yvel really isn't that good. Don't get me wrong, I think JDS is a big time prospect, but I think he needs to be tested by a guy with strong takedown before being ready for the upper echelon.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

JDS and Pat Berry that would be a huge seller. It might not last more than a few minutes but it sure as hell would never hit the ground. Love Sam Stout, that is one tough SOB who hits hard as hell. I did come away impressed with Mark Munoz. Obviously he won't do anything outside of his comfort zone and wrestling base but there are few guys who can avoid his shot. His standup still looks cruddy though and we haven't seen him face a serious BJJ opponent.

Munoz is training with nog, so he can't be god awful on the ground.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I really want to see him against Cain. I just think that JDS hasn't been tested by a big time takedown artist. While beating werdum is impressive on paper, werdum's chin/stand up lets him down in big spots, Cro Cop looked terrible and may be done, and Yvel really isn't that good. Don't get me wrong, I think JDS is a big time prospect, but I think he needs to be tested by a guy with strong takedown before being ready for the upper echelon.

What was the last impressive CroCop win?

Josh Barnett in 2006?

[josh07039]

What was the last impressive CroCop win?

Josh Barnett in 2006?Even when he won the grand prix by beating Barnett, it wasn't unbelievably impressive. I mean, Barnett had to tap because he couldn't see. He is almost definitley done, but I just keep believing every time he says his training has changed and he is rededicated. I just want to see the crazy head kicking mother ****** from pride around.

[Cicero]

Even when he won the grand prix by beating Barnett, it wasn't unbelievably impressive. I mean, Barnett had to tap because he couldn't see. He is almost definitley done, but I just keep believing every time he says his training has changed and he is rededicated. I just want to see the crazy head kicking mother ****** from pride around.

That fighter is gone. If you want to see crazy headkicks you'll have to watch Zaromskis instead.

[nepg]

please give JDS some talent to destroy, im tired of him just wrecking people over and over, I know Cain Velasquez is the UFC's golden boy but you can't hold Dos Santos back forever
JDS has fought tougher opponents than Cain or Carwin... It's ridiculous that he's not getting the credit he deserves for beating who he's beaten.

Werdum is one of the best HW's in the world, and is a legit opponent for Fedor in April (and who made Napao look like a clown)... JDS crushed him. Cro Cop looked like he was back to normal v. Al Turk, but he couldn't get close enough to JDS to hit him. Yvel is better than Kongo. Any of those 3 would have tooled Rothwell.

JDS also whooped Struve, who's looking pretty legit lately.

[josh07039]

That fighter is gone. If you want to see crazy headkicks you'll have to watch Zaromskis instead.In my head I know that, but my heart just keeps taking over and making me hopeful. And yes the Zaromskis is incredible. I can't wait to see him go up again Diaz. If Zaromskis can stay on his feet, Diaz' head is going into the second row.

[JF4]

JDS has fought tougher opponents than Cain or Carwin... It's ridiculous that he's not getting the credit he deserves for beating who he's beaten.

Werdum is one of the best HW's in the world, and is a legit opponent for Fedor in April (and who made Napao look like a clown)... JDS crushed him. Cro Cop looked like he was back to normal v. Al Turk, but he couldn't get close enough to JDS to hit him. Yvel is better than Kongo. Any of those 3 would have tooled Rothwell.

JDS also whooped Struve, who's looking pretty legit lately.

Good joke.

edit: I may have taken this the wrong way. i thought you meant the fighters JDS has fought are better than Cain or Carwin. Or essentially implying Werdum is better than both. after further evaluation i see what you were saying.

[fenikz]

I think JDS has fought more tough people than Carwin, Carwin's toughest opponent was Gonzaga and Werdum beat him

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I think JDS has fought more tough people than Carwin, Carwin's toughest opponent was Gonzaga and Werdum beat him

Speaking of overrated....

[josh07039]

I agree that Carwin hasn't beaten big time competition either, but I think because of his skill set, it doesn't matter as much. JDS has not had to show his ground game because he hasn't gone up against anyone with takedowns. Obviously Werdum is a good fighter, but on the feet he has big time holes. He got knocked out too fast to employ his skill set. I have always been of the mind that a quick knockout doesn't tell you nearly as much about a prospect as a few strong rounds or even a clear, unanimous decision. I think the same can be said for Carwin when he fought Gonzaga. The difference is that Carwin went to the ground and got up like it was a piece of cake against a lare, athletic bjj black belt. I know he showed abysmal head movement to get tot the ground, but hopefully he has worked on that .

I just don't know how JDS will handle going against anyone with decent takedowns or what he can do on the ground. I imagine he is at least competent on the ground because of training with the Nog bros, but I want to see it with my own eyes.

I think the wrestlers advantage will always apply. Carwin and cain for that matter, have the ability to compensate for other weakness by having strong takedowns and top control. However, Carwin's size and ridiculous power make him more of a contender at this point.

That was rambling but hopefully coherent. Sorry if it wasn't. But just to clarify once again to avoid any misunderstanding, i think JDS is crazily talented and working with one of the best teams in the world, I just need him to prove that he can do something beyond striking.

[E-Man]

JDS is on the same level as Cain and Carwin. In fact I think Cain and JDS are on a higher level than Carwin, but it's not Carwin's fault that he hasn't fought in awhile. He was to fight Cain, but they changed it to him fighting Lesnar who has been injured. I think Cain's wrestling and pace makes him the best heavy prospect in the UFC, but Dos Santos has some really good striking that's getting better and better. I'm sure JDS is getting good training working the the Nogs, so his ground game might not be so bad. He needs to be tested there though. Since Cain is getting a huge test against Nog, and JDS won't fight Nog Gonzaga is the best bet.

[Ward]

Got to roll with Rulon tonight for the first time in our no-gi BJJ class. I can't even work closed guard on the guy, he's too massive. Also, he's not in great shape but the dude still has a ton of strength and quickness. You can tell he's a world class athlete hidden under some cushion. He broke my half guard by literally reaching behind him and moving my leg with his hand...

[E-Man]

lol Rulon sounds like he isn't human.

[E-Man]

Word is that UFC 113 will have Machida vs. Shogun and Rashad vs. Rampage. This is hearsay right now, but if that ends up happening it will be a great card based on those two fights alone.

[MichaelJordanEberle (sabf)]

Word is that UFC 113 will have Machida vs. Shogun and Rashad vs. Rampage. This is hearsay right now, but if that ends up happening it will be a great card based on those two fights alone.


They could throw Mitrione and Junk out there and it would still be awesome.

[themaninblack]

That card would be excellent. Would definitely be buying that one if it happens.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Going to UFC Fight night tomorrow night at the Patriot Center. Headlined by Maynard vs Diaz. Does Maynard get B.J. if he beats Diaz? Maynard should dominate a decision vs Diaz although you always have to worry about being in Diaz's guard.

[Ravens1991]

I would say Maynard is the next choice for BJ if he wins tomorrow. I see him getting a UD

[SwagU]

Would be interesting if Maynard gets a shot at BJ, since BJ was Gray's coach on TUF.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Would be interesting if Maynard gets a shot at BJ, since BJ was Gray's coach on TUF.

Stylistically, a big wrestler with decent boxing should be BJ's one weakness. The question is whether his sub defense has improved enough.

[Ravens1991]

that is true and Maynard has great takedowns, but IDK if he is good enough to take down BJ for 5 rounds.


and a cool mmath thing i noticed.

Kimbo>Alexander>Jardine>Vera>Mir>Nog>Koh saka>Fedor

[josh07039]

that is true and Maynard has great takedowns, but IDK if he is good enough to take down BJ for 5 rounds.


and a cool mmath thing i noticed.

Kimbo>Alexander>Jardine>Vera>Mir>Nog>Koh saka>Fedor
I think Maynard has the best shot because of his size and takedowns, but his chances are still really slim. I think Maynard wouldn't be able to hang with BJ on the feet and I'm not sure that Maynard would even be able to take down BJ.

Regarding your mmath. It finally confirms what I have always believed, that Kimbo is the true pound for pound king and, if given the chance, would absolutley embarrass Fedor.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Even though Faber's one of my favorite mma fighters, I can't see him standing much of a chance against Aldo. I think because of range he will get picked apart standup and can easily get KO'ed with his wreckless style. Aldo might be the one guy who can actually make Faber's striking look orthodox. I guess Urijah's best chance is to try to shoot on Aldo but he has some great takedown defense and balance.

[E-Man]

Jamie Varner is a ******. I used to defend the guy, but now I see why people hate him. How the hell do you spend 2 minutes of the first round holding a guillotine against the cage, but tap to one later and say, "I came here to fight, he came to grapple." WTF?

I got Maynard tonight, but I don't think he would beat B.J. He's too inexperienced right now, and I think his size and strength advantage isn't enough to beat a guy as skilled as B.J. He'd probably get subbed in the mid rounds.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

It was actually a great card of fights last night, some great undercard action. I am really let down with Gray Maynard. If he gets B.J. it will be a struggle to take him down once and if he does get him to the ground his submission defense I doubt will be good enough. It was upsetting to see him enable to outbox Diaz. IMO from where I was watching which was pretty close I think Diaz took the fight. I feel like Diaz definitely won rounds 1 and 3 with Maynard never really landing any significant blows to Diaz. You know you are not ready for B.J. when you practically draw in a boxing match with Nate Diaz.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

It was actually a great card of fights last night, some great undercard action. I am really let down with Gray Maynard. If he gets B.J. it will be a struggle to take him down once and if he does get him to the ground his submission defense I doubt will be good enough. It was upsetting to see him enable to outbox Diaz. IMO from where I was watching which was pretty close I think Diaz took the fight. I feel like Diaz definitely won rounds 1 and 3 with Maynard never really landing any significant blows to Diaz. You know you are not ready for B.J. when you practically draw in a boxing match with Nate Diaz.

Slapboxing is a legitimate strategy.

[MetSox17]

So is anyone gonna watch the Herschel Walkers?

[Ward]

Good news everyone, Dean Lister (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Lister) is coming to do a seminar at my school this weekend. Looking forward to it big time.

[Rosebud]

dunno if this has been posted, but it's hilarious none the less:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/worst-life-ever-the-story-of-kazuyuki-fujitas-skull

[Rob S]

Good news everyone, Dean Lister (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dean_Lister) is coming to do a seminar at my school this weekend. Looking forward to it big time.

That is pretty amazing dude. Make sure you try and soak up as much as possible. You never know if you will have a chance like this again. Take some pics! On a side note, what the hell happened to your rep? You must have done that yourself, no way a rep rape that massive could be organized.

[Ward]

That is pretty amazing dude. Make sure you try and soak up as much as possible. You never know if you will have a chance like this again. Take some pics! On a side note, what the hell happened to your rep? You must have done that yourself, no way a rep rape that massive could be organized.

Yeah it was great, I learned a ton. Say what you want about the guy's MMA career, but his jiujitsu resume is flawless. He knows waaay too many tricks, and he was a very good teacher. One guy asked him why to do A technique instead of B technique, and Dean gave him 8 very specific reasons why, counting them as he went along. So the guy is not just a freak talent, he knows his **** too. If any of you are in the San Diego area, I would highly recommend seeking out his gym if you're at all interested in BJJ or MMA. Only negative I can see on the guy is that he's trained w/ Tito.

Also, yes that's self-inflicted red. It's a nice even -10k.

[E-Man]

dunno if this has been posted, but it's hilarious none the less:
http://www.cracked.com/blog/worst-life-ever-the-story-of-kazuyuki-fujitas-skull

Hahahahahaha! I love Cracked.

[djp]

Brock will face winner of Carwin/Mir who are fighting @ 111

[Rob S]

Brock will face winner of Carwin/Mir who are fighting @ 111

yeah....did you see the interview on ESPN......it was pretty good.

[djp]

yeah....did you see the interview on ESPN......it was pretty good.

My mom had the same condition Brock had.. she said it was the worst pain of her life. She was in the hospital for 6 weeks. That things crazy man.

[Whistler6]

Jean Claude Van Damme is scheduled to fight an MMA bout in 2010...Also, my brain just exploded with joke overload.

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/blog/index?name=mma - Scroll down a bit

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Anyone else pumped to see Herschel fight on saturday? lol. It could get ugly. Manhoeff vs Robbie Lawler is pure matchmaking genius. I really wish Heiron vs Riggs was on the main card instead of Lashley and Wes Sims, but I understand money and selling tickets. I wish though that they would give Lashley some tougher competition though.

[Rob S]

Manhoeff vs Robbie Lawler excites me greatly........should be a slugfest for as long as it lasts..........I have Melvin by KO in the 1st.

[ccB]

Manhoeff vs Robbie Lawler excites me greatly........should be a slugfest for as long as it lasts..........I have Melvin by KO in the 1st.

If Lawler couldn't handle Nick Diaz's slap boxing I don't see how he's going to stand with Melvin, he probably has the sickest striking in all of MMA, something like 95% of his wins have been by KO, that's crazy.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Lawler is definitely trying to shoot early. But if anything Lawler's fight against Diaz showed how confident and good he thinks his striking is so I could potentially see him standing in front of Melvin for better or worse.

[Rob S]

I actually think Robbie is going to stand from the get go. Not the best strategy, but he is a brawler at heart.

[ccB]

Lawler should be looking for the shot, but he's one of those fighters who can easily be baited into a slug fest. If Lawler stands with Manhoef he's getting put to sleep, we are talking about the guy who knocked Mark Hunt out clean, Melvins a scary dude.

[E-Man]

I have a feeling in my gut that Lawler will win in a small upset. I think Manhoef is a better striker, but I got a feeling that Lawler is going to beat him standing. Just call it a crazy feeling in my gut. Either way I'm excited for this match. Should be an exciting one.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

I have a feeling in my gut that Lawler will win in a small upset. I think Manhoef is a better striker, but I got a feeling that Lawler is going to beat him standing. Just call it a crazy feeling in my gut. Either way I'm excited for this match. Should be an exciting one.

I think Lawler is going to take a knee in the clinch to the chin and go to sleep. They are both brawlers but the difference is Melvin is faster, hits harder, and doesn't keep is chin straight out when he's brawling. I certainly would advise Melvin though to throw kicks from a distance because I don't want to see Lawler bring the fight to the ground.

[E-Man]

Melvin is a much better striker, and on that I agree. I think he's overrated in terms of striking though, and he's not the untouchable god that some people make him out to be. Lawler isn't some technical genius, but I gotta feeling that he'll surprise us Saturday. With my luck though he'll end up looking like Arlovski after he got knocked out. lol

[Ward]

Calling Zaromskis over Diaz now. Superior striking will make Diaz's superior grappling irrelevant.

[Cicero]

Calling Zaromskis over Diaz now. Superior striking will make Diaz's superior grappling irrelevant.

Someone might report me for a noise complaint if he gets another head kick KO.

[ccB]

Just wanted to pop in to say...

WAR NICK DIAZ! I really like the Whitemare but I think Nick is gonna be too versatile for him. I don't see Zaromski putting him to sleep so the only way he wins is by decision or if he cuts Diaz up.

Also..about Manhoefs striking being overrated, all I have to say is.....if you can knock Mark Hunt out clean, your striking is legit. Not to mention he did it at probably an 80 lb weight disadvantage, and has superb technique that goes with that power.

[fenikz]

can someone send me a link

rep for you!

[Rob S]

Sent you one for sopcast

Dblast works also, mmatv seems to be going in and out

[Cicero]

Not that Sims was going to win anyways but that stoppage was way too early.

[E-Man]

Multiple stream fail for me. Damn Sopcast and Justin made me miss the damn thing.

[Rob S]

Not that Simms was going to win anyways but that stoppage was way too early.

yeah it was.....it was clear lashley was going to pound him out eventually tho.

[ccB]

Well that showed me nothing I didn't already know about Lashley. I think Del Rosario would eat his lunch.

[E-Man]

Hey Rob, is your Sopcast working? The channel I'm watching is down, and this one stream on Justin.tv has this dude that keeps changing the damn channel!

[ccB]

E-man check your pm's

[ccB]

Matt Hughes just looked at Lawler as if that would be the last time he'd see him alive.

[E-Man]

E-man check your pm's

Thanks man. I was going crazy over here.

[Rob S]

I will pm...........

[Cicero]

If Lawler decides he wants to stand he's going to get KTFO.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Well that showed me nothing I didn't already know about Lashley. I think Del Rosario would eat his lunch.

I didn't even know Del Rosario pulled out with injury until the broadcast. What a disappointment to see it was Wes Sims who replaced him, I laughed. That fight should still happen, they are 2 of strikeforce's top untested prospects.

[comahan]

oh my god lol

[ccB]

That Was Awesome!

[E-Man]

Hahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[fenikz]

holy **** that was insane

[ccB]

Rivals the Scott Smith KO of Pete Sell as the luckiest punch ever.

EDIT: NVM

[E-Man]

I will pm...........

+repped good sir

[Cicero]

If Lawler decides he wants to stand he's going to get KTFO.

MMM loving that post haha sh**e**t.

[Rob S]

Holy God that came from nowhere

[ccB]

Most impressive loss of the year!

[LTgiants]

Herschel Time!!!!

[ccB]

Why do I feel like this is going to be boring? I hope I am wrong.

[Cicero]

Why do I feel like this is going to be boring? I hope I am wrong.

No, you were on the moeny.

[LTgiants]

I didn't think that was a boring round at all

[kwilk103]

herschel still likes he could play in the nfl

[ccB]

Herschel Walker v The Brooklyn Brawler Jr, in the next fight Brian Bosworth is going to be taking on Barry Horowitz.

[comahan]

Boring under normal circumstances? Yes.

But it was HERSCHEL WALKER being awesome, so I was entertained :D

[JRTPlaya21]

Can't believe I missed my cousins Strikerforce debut. smh at me.

[Cicero]

So. Excited.

[ccB]

Woooooooooo!!!!!

[Cicero]

Damn ittttttttttttttttt

[jared]

Exciting fight while it lasted. The "Whitemare"'s future is at LW though, IMO.

[LTgiants]

Diaz just whooped him.

[JRTPlaya21]

Watching the replay of the Lawler fight is too epic.

[Ward]

Calling Zaromskis over Diaz now. Superior striking will make Diaz's superior grappling irrelevant.

This crow is delicious!

[josh07039]

This crow is delicious!You shouldn't be ashamed of your prediction. I, along with a lot of others, though the same. I think Zaromskis has the ability to accomplish exactly what you said. His issue tonight was that he fought stupid. His first big issue was that he underestimate diaz' reach and hand speed by leaving his hands down and not really offering any defense of any kind. Secondly, He didn't even attempt to use leg kicks to maintain space and slow things down. His biggest issue was the type of punches he was throwing. He wasn't using any straight punches. He just kept winging power punches even as diaz was picking him apart with quick, straight shots.

Overall, he just had no understanding of controlling distance or creating an inside/close up battle against a fighter with an extensive reach advantage.

[BlindSite]

I want to see nick v Nate

[Tampa 2 4 life]

You shouldn't be ashamed of your prediction. I, along with a lot of others, though the same. I think Zaromskis has the ability to accomplish exactly what you said. His issue tonight was that he fought stupid. His first big issue was that he underestimate diaz' reach and hand speed by leaving his hands down and not really offering any defense of any kind. Secondly, He didn't even attempt to use leg kicks to maintain space and slow things down. His biggest issue was the type of punches he was throwing. He wasn't using any straight punches. He just kept winging power punches even as diaz was picking him apart with quick, straight shots.

Overall, he just had no understanding of controlling distance or creating an inside/close up battle against a fighter with an extensive reach advantage.

Also he's an incredibly small WW.

[E-Man]

Zaromskis lost the fight when he got too anxious after dropping Diaz. He should have paced himself more, and he should have really worked on his head movement. He gave away too much reach to just wade into Diaz's punches recklessly. He also should have thrown more low kicks too. When will people realize that the Diaz brothers and their chicken legs can't take kicks? Good fight, and win for Diaz though.

As for the Manhoef fight, I really had a feeling that Melvin was going to get too reckless. People should realize that being a great striker means having great defense, and not fighting in K-1. Melvin's good, but he needs to stop getting carried away at times. I would love to see him fight Cung Le next. Too short middleweight strikers going at it. It would be pretty fun to watch.

[Whistler6]

Rex Ryan finally done talking? He definitely seemed to enjoy Strikeforce and the Miami fans.

http://simg.sportsbybrooks.com/e/6/e6418e92ba3e26ff56dda9a3918d9f5a_rexryanmiddlefing erphotomiamistrikeforce.jpg

[josh07039]

Zaromskis lost the fight when he got too anxious after dropping Diaz. He should have paced himself more, and he should have really worked on his head movement. He gave away too much reach to just wade into Diaz's punches recklessly. He also should have thrown more low kicks too. When will people realize that the Diaz brothers and their chicken legs can't take kicks? Good fight, and win for Diaz though.

As for the Manhoef fight, I really had a feeling that Melvin was going to get too reckless. People should realize that being a great striker means having great defense, and not fighting in K-1. Melvin's good, but he needs to stop getting carried away at times. I would love to see him fight Cung Le next. Too short middleweight strikers going at it. It would be pretty fun to watch.

With Zaromskis, I agree entirely about his head movement/defense. I think he hadn't yet faced someone that he couldn't just have backing up by being the agressor early on. He probably just expected to easily win the standing portion and just avoiding takedowns would be his main objective. Once again, a lot of fighters seem to forget how destructive and successful throwing leg kicks can be.

As for Manhoef I agree entirely. He just started dominating, got cocky, and stopped worrying about defense.I think Manhoef would kill Le though. Both Shamrock and Scott Smith mentioned how Le's strikes don't have a ton of knockout power on them. I think Manhoef's power advantage, coupled with Le's questionable cardio now would probably give Manhoef enough time to score a KO.

[E-Man]

I think Manhoef would KO Le too, but it would be fun up until that. Melvin offensively is relentless, and Cung would probably try something flashy before the KO.

[Wootylicous]

Nothing so important but !

http://revgearmma.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/gegard_mousasi.jpg

<33333

[Wootylicous]

Can't wait to get UFC back in MTL ! there is a rumor it could be a rua-machida rematch, it will be awesomeness !

[Ward]

Anyone here training for a fight? I initially started with just jiujitsu and muay thai, but as time goes on I'm starting to want to try out the cage more and more. 70" tall, 72" reach, currently 185 but I'd be able to make a 175 fight pretty easily, and I'm gradually working toward getting that as my walking around weight so that I could cut even lower to like 165. I'm on pace to get my blue belt around fall '10, which I realize is nothing compared to what most UFC guys have, but I'm not planning on going to the UFC. Just kinda thinking about a local promotion.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Anyone here training for a fight? I initially started with just jiujitsu and muay thai, but as time goes on I'm starting to want to try out the cage more and more. 70" tall, 72" reach, currently 185 but I'd be able to make a 175 fight pretty easily, and I'm gradually working toward getting that as my walking around weight so that I could cut even lower to like 165. I'm on pace to get my blue belt around fall '10, which I realize is nothing compared to what most UFC guys have, but I'm not planning on going to the UFC. Just kinda thinking about a local promotion.

Most Regional MMA events end in a Rear Naked Choke 90 seconds in, so you don't need to be some Demian Maia out there.

[Ward]

Most Regional MMA events end in a Rear Naked Choke 90 seconds in, so you don't need to be some Demian Maia out there.

That's literally how 2 fighters I train with had fights end. One is a blue belt, the other purple.

[BlindSite]

Anyone here training for a fight? I initially started with just jiujitsu and muay thai, but as time goes on I'm starting to want to try out the cage more and more. 70" tall, 72" reach, currently 185 but I'd be able to make a 175 fight pretty easily, and I'm gradually working toward getting that as my walking around weight so that I could cut even lower to like 165. I'm on pace to get my blue belt around fall '10, which I realize is nothing compared to what most UFC guys have, but I'm not planning on going to the UFC. Just kinda thinking about a local promotion.

Been thinking about it, I've got a background in some stuff training in one thing or another for about 6 years now and recently gotten a lot fitter and stronger, but a lot of what I know isn't exactly designed for sport fighting.

Starting to feel the itch though.

[Ward]

Been thinking about it, I've got a background in some stuff training in one thing or another for about 6 years now and recently gotten a lot fitter and stronger, but a lot of what I know isn't exactly designed for sport fighting.

Starting to feel the itch though.

Give us your martial arts resume, even if it's TKD or breaking wood or something. Hey I took a semester of fencing in college, I'm not here to judge.

[Ravens1991]

I want to at least once in my life, so I can say I am one of toughest 1% of ppl in the world. I have wrestled all through HS, and my 1st semester in college. I hope I can get my grades up so I can finish my 4 years of college and wrestle in them. I figure w/ that experience I could probably go in and not look like a complete fool if I get some true MMA training.

[E-Man]

The guy I'm really wanting to see tonight is Phil Davis. The guy was a 4 time All-American, national runner up, and he was NCAA champ in 2008. I hear that he's pretty exciting, so hopefully we see him tonight on the prelims.

[Bosanac01]

I want to at least once in my life, so I can say I am one of toughest 1% of ppl in the world. I have wrestled all through HS, and my 1st semester in college. I hope I can get my grades up so I can finish my 4 years of college and wrestle in them. I figure w/ that experience I could probably go in and not look like a complete fool if I get some true MMA training.

Wrestling will give you and edge, and you're probly in good shape but fighting is natural.

[Ward]

Serra will finish Trigg, be it KO or sub. Trigg doesn't belong in the cage with Serra.

Maia by sub, assuming he learned a lesson from the Marquardt fight.

Marquardt will finish Sonnen.

Couture/Coleman is only one I see possibly going to judges, but that will be if Coleman's gas tank lasts that long. If not, he's getting finished by The Natural.

[BlindSite]

Give us your martial arts resume, even if it's TKD or breaking wood or something. Hey I took a semester of fencing in college, I'm not here to judge.

Two and a half odd years of Kyokushin before that straight up boxing for two years, the last couple I've been doing some muai thai, but I'm not a fan of Thai boxing, very easy to defeat, also been doing some Judo and more traditional Japanese Jiu Jistu, starting hapkido which isn't really 100% hapkido, it's mixed with more stuff, for self defense.

I could fight no worries doing standup, and I wouldn't be lost on the ground, but I've got a lot of years teaching me locks etc that aren't allowed. I still want to give it ago, but more of my training until the last couple of years has been self defense rather than more sport orientated.

The guy who trains the hapkido group, which is small 6 in total incl 2 instructors, said he wants someone young to do comps, since most of the guys he trains are in their 30s. So He'll probably give me a slightly different program and we have the top BJJ guy in QLD coming down to give us a few months of training.

So another 6 months or so I might be ready, I want to test myself, but I'm not interested in getting put down or tapped out in the first round. So I want to be sure I'm ready.

[BlindSite]

My picks for today:

Coleman because I think he's more rested, has a better style of fighting and I think will be the hungrier fighter, Sonnen I think will beat Marqhardt if he uses discipline. Marqhadt will take his dead off otherwise.

Serra is going to eat Trigg. Really interested in seeing Phil Davis fight.

Maia and Swick round out my picks, Thiago is a good fighter, but he's not as well rounded as Swick who is a much tighter fighter in the standup game.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Serra will finish Trigg, be it KO or sub. Trigg doesn't belong in the cage with Serra.

I disagree with you completely. What has Serra done besides the flukey GSP win?

[BlindSite]

I disagree with you completely. What has Serra done besides the flukey GSP win?

Quitely become one of the best ground fighters in his division.

Serra has the most underrated ability in the welterweight division, people forget his losses have come to Matt Hughes, who he too to a very, very, very close decision and GSP. Before that he lost to Karo Parisian in a decision, which again was extremely close and in his UFC debut when he walked into a back fist.

Serra is a great fighter, and he's better in all areas than Trigg. I'll have a big plate of crow if he loses today, but I don't see it happening.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Picks:

Couture is just going to have the better gastank. Might get outwrestled early, but will either stop him late in the 3rd or take a 2/3 decision.

Nate Marquardt by TKO in the 2nd, but Chael is very game if he doesn't make a stupid mistake on the feet or in guard. I realize this is a big if.

Swick by a close decision, I think Thiago can give him some problems, but unlike with Hardy, he can just outpoint him for the win.

Maia is going to school Miller on the ground. Maybe Miller can hang around for a few minutes, but I doubt it.

If Trigg shows up and actually gives a ****, he'll win, if not, It'll be close but Serra might win. Closest fight on the MC.

Torres is going to tap Guillard.

Danzig sucks, but he doesn't suck as much as Justin Buccholz.

Emerson is going to send Nover packing.

I watched Davis' fight in the UWC and his standup is god awful. Luckily, Stann is easily humiliated off of his back. As long as Davis doesn't do anything stupid he wins.

Hague over Tuchscherer because Tuchscherer fought in YAMMA.

Gracie wins by sub. Obviously.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Quitely become one of the best ground fighters in his division.

Serra has the most underrated ability in the welterweight division, people forget his losses have come to Matt Hughes, who he too to a very, very, very close decision and GSP. Before that he lost to Karo Parisian in a decision, which again was extremely close and in his UFC debut when he walked into a back fist.

Serra is a great fighter, and he's better in all areas than Trigg. I'll have a big plate of crow if he loses today, but I don't see it happening.

Wins over Jeff Curran at 155 and Ivan Menjivar aren't amazing. Serra has decent subs, but his positioning is godawful on the ground and any kind of wrestler is his kryptonite.

That said, if Trigg actually cares is a big question mark.

[El Peefs?????]

I hope this night turns out some exciting fights, because on paper it may just be the worst card ever.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I hope this night turns out some exciting fights, because on paper it may just be the worst card ever.

"UFC 72: Okami Vs. Franklin"

[El Peefs?????]

"UFC 72: Okami Vs. Franklin"

Id rather watch Okami & Franklin fight than two 50 year olds.

[E-Man]

I have Couture, Marquart, Maia, and Trigg winning tonight.

[Cicero]

I hope this night turns out some exciting fights, because on paper it may just be the worst card ever.

My thoughts exactly.

[BlindSite]

UFC 98 is still the greatest PPV I've ever watched imo. There wasn't a boring fight on that card, even the prelims were big knockouts or subs.

[Ward]

Two and a half odd years of Kyokushin before that straight up boxing for two years, the last couple I've been doing some muai thai, but I'm not a fan of Thai boxing, very easy to defeat, also been doing some Judo and more traditional Japanese Jiu Jistu, starting hapkido which isn't really 100% hapkido, it's mixed with more stuff, for self defense.

I could fight no worries doing standup, and I wouldn't be lost on the ground, but I've got a lot of years teaching me locks etc that aren't allowed. I still want to give it ago, but more of my training until the last couple of years has been self defense rather than more sport orientated.

Kyokushin is legit from what I understand. When you get time, I'd like to hear more about why Thai boxing is easily defeated. If I were building a fighter from scratch, his standup would be Muay Thai and grappling would be BJJ. I see those as the currently most effective mainstream fighting systems. You get freaks like Fedor who are Sambo masters, but that's not really the norm. Currently every title holder in the UFC except Lesnar is a black belt in jiujitsu, although the striking is pretty random across the board. Penn - boxing, GSP - karate/muay thai/boxing, Machida - karate/Muay thai, Silva - boxing/Muay Thai, - Lesnar - none.

[BlindSite]

Kyokushin is legit from what I understand. When you get time, I'd like to hear more about why Thai boxing is easily defeated. If I were building a fighter from scratch, his standup would be Muay Thai and grappling would be BJJ. I see those as the currently most effective mainstream fighting systems. You get freaks like Fedor who are Sambo masters, but that's not really the norm. Currently every title holder in the UFC except Lesnar is a black belt in jiujitsu, although the striking is pretty random across the board. Penn - boxing, GSP - karate/muay thai/boxing, Machida - karate/Muay thai, Silva - boxing/Muay Thai, - Lesnar - none.

The muai that guard is better than any other I've been taught and is brilliant for countering. It's very protective against hooks which are most likely to knock you on your ass.

The thing I don't like about muai thai is partly the way it's coached. Stepping across your opponent, or rather, turning your foot horizontal gets a lot more power from your body, and requires a little less hip snap to get good power into a leg or body kick, the problem is it leaves you unbalanced and a lot of what I've learned in Judo and already in Hapkido is how to explode into a small take down or throw which become ridiculously effortless when your opponent isn't solidly grounded.

The use of knees and elbows and clinching is tantamount to success in fighting especially at close range and all the forms I've done use knees and elbows in some form or another, but it's pretty much the way muai thai is taught, not necessarily it's form that is the issue.

The karate form of exploding from your stance that delivers likely less of a blow than a thai boxer, but more accuracy and stability is something that should be explored.

I like the idea of using a karate stance when fighting from a distance to pick away at an opponent while remaining grounded and solid, but switching to a more aggressive style of muai thai later in a fight where your opponent isn't necessarily able due to fatigue to capitalise as quickly on an opening.

I'll use the machida example. He doesn't step forward or across when attacking his opponents with kicks, which is why he lands a large percentage of them, sure a lot of it is his speed and reach, but more of it is that he doesn't tip his hand as a thai fighter tends to before attacking. Compare that to a fighter like Wanderlei who's had problems in the past with the better counter fighters in MMA. In Machida's case he'll be cautious wait for you to wade in then BAM BAM BAM quick kicks and punches from a stable stance, followed by relentless powerful muai thai knees, elbows and kicks when his opponent has been tagged. His fight with Garcia (I think that was his name) when he landed about 8 knees in succession is indicative of how I think you should fight. Wait for your opponent to attack, deflect, or flow away from it then counter safely, then destroy.

My philosophy where in a gym, ring or street is to fight compact, but never get grounded. The thing I teach my friends if they ask for advice is the muai thai cover of the head from a hook rolling with the blow exploding to a short uppercut from the hips with the opposite hand and then grabbing behind their knees and popping their upper body with your shoulder. It's not like a double leg grab it's just a two handed grab, breaking their stand, changing their centre of gravity and giving you time to either finish them, or escape.

I probably could've just said, Muai thai gives away your strike before you fire it and leaves you too open during, after and if you miss your initial blow, for me to recommend it as a base style or for people starting out. Though knowing how to throw a proper punch, kick, knee and elbow will win you 80% of fights you're likely to get into in a bar. A lot of what I was taught in Kyokushin pretty much showed me that when you know where your opponent is going to strike after time training you can control where you're going to damage them. A thai leg kick against me, that I saw coming would be like christmas coming early.

[LTgiants]

Anyone know where I can see the fights?

[Cicero]

That looked like an off balance shot and it started down by his hip jeez. Trigg needs to retire.

OK maybe it wasn't off balance but it was still from his hip and he wasn't stepping into it.

[FuzzyGopher]

Serra got 3 freebies in there at the end.

[FuzzyGopher]

<sarcasm> What a classic. </sarcasm>

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Looks like ****** trigg showed up.

[E-Man]

Damn. Looks like I got what I wanted. Davis looks strong as ****.

[cvv84]

Anyone know where I can see the fights?

I'll send you the link. Anyone else needs it send me a PM.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Damn. Looks like I got what I wanted. Davis looks strong as ****.

I was vaguely unimpressed by his top control. Gave Stann Half-Guard too much for my tastes.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Thiago just windmilled his way to victory.

[FuzzyGopher]

Damn, my boy Swick got ****** put to sleep.

[E-Man]

It would be so hilarious if Chael wins this. The internet would collapse upon itself if Sonnen got the win and title shot.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

It would be so hilarious if Chael wins this. The internet would collapse upon itself if Sonnen got the win and title shot.

Sonnen has better cardio then Hendo and Lutter, and unless he makes some terrible mistake to get triangle'd I give him just as good of a shot as Nate to win.

[FuzzyGopher]

Damn, that guillotine was in DEEP. Sonnen's face was purple.

[E-Man]

Sonnen has better cardio then Hendo and Lutter, and unless he makes some terrible mistake to get triangle'd I give him just as good of a shot as Nate to win.

Nice call, but you have to remember that Chael has taken Tim Sylvia's throne as the most hated MMA fighter on the internet. Collapsing will commence soon. lol

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Nice call, but you have to remember that Chael has taken Tim Sylvia's throne as the most hated MMA fighter on the internet. Collapsing will commence soon. lol

I hate Chael. have since the First Filho fight.

[Cicero]

Nice call, but you have to remember that Chael has taken Tim Sylvia's throne as the most hated MMA fighter on the internet. Collapsing will commence soon. lol

He had seriously better not get the next title shot.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

He had seriously better not get the next title shot.

He is after Belfort.

[E-Man]

Yeah I think Chael deserves the next shot after Belfort. The only guy you could justify giving the shot before him is Hendo, and we know that won't happen because he's in Strikeforce. I was wrong about Chael. He is a bonafide top guy.

[djp]

He is after Belfort.

Does it matter who gets the next title shot? Silva has lost what, one round in his UFC career?

[Cicero]

He is after Belfort.

I'm going to hold out hope that someone else gets it damn it! :(

[djp]

btw I think Belfort has the best shot to catch Silva out of the middleweights before Silva retires. Huge flash KO possibility. Not that I think it will happen.

[JRTPlaya21]

Mark Coleman coming out to Drop the World....wow lol.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Does it matter who gets the next title shot? Silva has lost what, one round in his UFC career?

I still contend Silva is overrated due to the TYPE of competition he faced. He CAN be taken down, and he CAN be tapped. If Lutter and hendo didn't show up in godawful/mediocre shape, respectively, he might have lost either. Yushin Okami had taken him down and was doing a decent job controlling him before the upkick. I'm interested to see Silva against an elite level grappler, beit BJJ or Wrestling, (Preferably Wrestling,)

Now, saying this: Do I think Chael/Maia would be a favorite? HELL NO. But I can see chinks in the armor they can exploit.

[Cicero]

Yeah I think Chael deserves the next shot after Belfort. The only guy you could justify giving the shot before him is Hendo, and we know that won't happen because he's in Strikeforce. I was wrong about Chael. He is a bonafide top guy.

Do you really think his striking and jiu-jitsu skills/defense are top level?

[djp]

Stranglehold = awesome

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Do you really think his striking and jiu-jitsu skills/defense are top level?

If Ryo Chonan can use nothing but crosses to stay in the fight and not get KTFO, Chael has a CHANCE not to get blitzed.

[E-Man]

Do you really think his striking and jiu-jitsu skills/defense are top level?

Naw, but he used his wrestling well against two top fighters. I gotta give him credit for beating those guys.

[Cicero]

Will we see our first ever fight decided by broken hip?

[djp]

Will we see our first ever fight decided by broken hip?

I hope they go toe to toe in one last stand for two warriors. Probably farfetched though.

[Cicero]

If Ryo Chonan can use nothing but crosses to stay in the fight and not get KTFO, Chael has a CHANCE not to get blitzed.
Silva has improved a lot since then and Chael would look as bad as Forrest did standing up in my opinion. It wouldn't surprise me to see him get subbed either.

Naw, but he used his wrestling well against two top fighters. I gotta give him credit for beating those guys.

It's one thing to be one dimensional when you're as huge as Lesnar and get to fight guys way smaller than you, but when you're fighting someone who cuts just as much weight as you do and is the champ it doesn't work as well. I can't see him winning on wrestling alone against Silva.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

Silva has improved a lot since then and Chael would look as bad as Forrest did standing up in my opinion. It wouldn't surprise me to see him get subbed either.



It's one thing to be one dimensional when you're as huge as Lesnar and get to fight guys way smaller than you, but when you're fighting someone who cuts just as much weight as you do and is the champ it doesn't work as well. I can't see him winning on wrestling alone against Silva.

Who was the last good technical striker to face Silva?

If you say Cote or 2007 Marquardt I will laugh.


How much bigger are Lutter and Hendo? if they had half decent cardio those fights are WAY different.

[Tampa 2 4 life]

I feel dirty for watching that Mugging.