MMA Discussion Thread - SPOILERS!

[Ravens1991]

Well, I just came home from the fight to get changed then I'm going out to celebrate BECAUSE I WON! 1min 11sec into the 1st round Rear-Naked Choke! Let me tell you, it is pretty cool to say: "Hi, I'm gbpackers0065 and I have an undefeated Mixed Martial Arts record." I'll update with details tomorrow, I'm out.

congrats good luck w/ your future endavors.




this was the 1,000th post in this thread!!!!!!!!!!

[Ravens1991]

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2007/writers/arash_markazi/07/07/ufc.pvw.saturday/index.html

some bad blood between Tito and White.

[Ravens1991]

Tito and Rashad have a draw, for anybody that saw this fight do you agree w/ the call?

[icantackleclaret]

I agree with it. If Tito wouldn't have tried to cheat he could have won. As he said "you ain't cheating you ain't trying" . Also Tito was gassed by the 3rd if it would have went any longer he would have lost. But if you just look @ the fight and not the "technical" stuff Tito could/should have won.

[bernbabybern820]

First time ive seen Tito that badly gassed in just 3 rounds.

[soybean]

heath herring got robbed.

[SuperKevin]

I think Tito Ortiz is at the point in his career where his name is the only thing carrying him into main events. UFC needs to work hard to start promoting new talent into main vent status

[ccB]

heath herring got robbed.

Yeah, Ref shoulda stopped the fight but I guess the Ref knew that Nog has some of the best recovering skills in MMA and he wasnt going to **** the boss (dana) with another big time fighter getting snuffed out early. I think we are all better off that Nog won.

[soybean]

Yeah, Ref shoulda stopped the fight but I guess the Ref knew that Nog has some of the best recovering skills in MMA and he wasnt going to **** the boss (dana) with another big time fighter getting snuffed out early. I think we are all better off that Nog won.

yeah he's obviously multiple times better than herring, he just got caught.

pretty good chin, same kick that knocked cro cop out.

[fenikz]

I disagree with that Herring should of won, he got lucky on 1 kick, the rest of the fight Nog dominated him

and i determined that Sherk had his arms and legs switched, this is why he is only 5'5 but is ripped to hell

[ccB]

I have Silva over Marquardt (although id like to see Marquardt win) Sherk over Franca (rather see Franca win) Nog over Herring, Evans over Tito, Florian over Robinson.

If it wasnt for the draw I'd be perfect with my picks.

[ccB]

I disagree with that Herring should of won, he got lucky on 1 kick, the rest of the fight Nog dominated him

and i determined that Sherk had his arms and legs switched, this is why he is only 5'5 but is ripped to hell

I dont know how you can disagree, the ref let it go atleast a good 5 seconds longer than any other ref would. That fight would have been stopped by most ref's, your right in saying Nog dominated but a KO is a KO and Nog was on dream street. He should give half his pay day to Yves Lavigne because hes the reason Nog won. But with this said I am sooooooo happy Nog did not lose to Herring, I cant take another Cro Cop/Gonzaga.

[fenikz]

I'll have to watch the fight again (and of course it's the 1 fight i can't find from 73) but I don't think Minotauro was out, dazed yes, but knocked out no. and i hope he is next in line for a title shot

[soybean]

rashad evans is easily my most hated fighter now.

He was such a little b*tch in the post fight interview. Tito was classy complimenting him yet rashad acts like a little punk *ss.

watch the tito-rashad post fight interview.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=MultiMedia.video

[fenikz]

i don't care about either of them, they both are just in the top 10 of the division and would be dismantled by the elite of it

[ccB]

rashad evans is easily my most hated fighter now.

He was such a little b*tch in the post fight interview. Tito was classy complimenting him yet rashad acts like a little punk *ss.

watch the tito-rashad post fight interview.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=MultiMedia.video

Meh who cares, Titos been a punk ass his whole career, its about time someone shows him some of his own medicine.

[MaxV]

Tito outclassing someone in the post-fight interview????

That's a first.

[soybean]

that fight sucked.

and after watching it again, i think it was more of an act than anything to hype up their rematch. hopefully, they don't get one.

[Rob S]

with the nog thing, yes most refs would have stopped it, however, I think part of being a ref is knowing the fighters. Nog has some of the best comebacks in history and I am going to assume the ref let it go on purpose bc of Nog's ability to recover (and perhaps that fact that Dana would chew him out lol)

[Rob S]

Plus Nog wasnt out-out, he was buzzed, but was working from the bottom and trying to defend and get guard.

[fenikz]

anyone got a link to where i can watch the minotauro fight again, i have basically the rest of them, pm me if you want em

[soybean]

best i could find:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v704/natas316/nogm.gif

[MaxV]

Wow, Nog is pretty tough to have survived that.

[fenikz]

Here are some of the fights i have found so far

Silva vs Marquardt
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hk21_ufc-73anderson-silva-vs-nathan-marq

Florian vs Robinson
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hjs9_alvin-robinson-vs-kenny-florian-ufc

Ortiz vs Evans
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x2hj6r_ufc73-tiro-ortiz-vs-rashad-evans

and after watching the Nog fight again at my friends house, I am very confident that he wasn't knocked out, and he was defending himself, Herring even walk away after he got into the guard

[Ravens1991]

all those movies have been removed :(

[soybean]

BJ Penn vs. Sean Sherk is confirmed for November.

I hope BJ penn wins but sean sherk is so strong he might be able to just power through the submissions.

[ccB]

BJ Penn vs. Sean Sherk is confirmed for November.

I hope BJ penn wins but sean sherk is so strong he might be able to just power through the submissions.

Penn should own Sherk, Sherks not stronger than Hughes and Hughes couldnt do **** to Penn, if it wasnt for an injury Penn was owning Hughes.

[fenikz]

all those movies have been removed :(

i knew it was too good to last

[Ravens1991]

but there were some Pride videos on there.

[fenikz]

ya alot of good shogun videos still, i love watching him dominate rampage from the ref cam

[Ravens1991]

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Rampage+Jackson/video/x2elup_mauricio-shogun-rua-vs-inton-rampag


Shogun VS. Rampage, one word OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Shogun will tear up the UFC.

[fenikz]

no matter how many times i see that fight, its just devistating to see how bad Rampage was beatin...as you said OUCH!

and the thing is thats basically all of his fights, i think out of all his wins 1 is a sub, 2 are unanimous decisions and the rest are 1st round KO's

[soybean]

rampage vs. wanderlei was arguably a worse beatdown.

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/rampage+vs.+wanderlei/video/xblu9_wanderlei-vs-rampage

[soybean]

anderson silva nate marquardt

http://stage6.divx.com/user/xxspeedkills/video/1395403/ufc-silva-vs-quarry-td-edition

tito rashad

http://www.veoh.com/videos/v754989ZPjSdBz9?searchId=2028077456396056452&rank=0

[Ravens1991]

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/Vitor+Belfort/video/xtbly_wanderlei-silva-vs-vitor-belfort


Belfort VS. Silva, that was painful looking.

[RyanLeaf#1]

I watched the PPV Stacked on Saturday night. Do they test for steroids? Sean Sherk is not human.

[fenikz]

I watched the PPV Stacked on Saturday night. Do they test for steroids? Sean Sherk is not human.

yes they test for everything, before and after the fight

he is just a workout machine, he does something like 4-5 hours of training a day

here is a article on it
http://www.ultimategrapplingmag.com/content/view/252/37/

[JF4]

yes they test for everything, before and after the fight

he is just a workout machine, he does something like 4-5 hours of training a day

here is a article on it
http://www.ultimategrapplingmag.com/content/view/252/37/

They showed him training on UFC: All Access and it was ridiculous.

[fenikz]

They showed him training on UFC: All Access and it was ridiculous.

thats what my buddy told me, he said that at the end of it he didn't even look tired, but it would of probably killed any normal guy

[UKfan]

Sean Sherk's All Access, he is a machine!

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/sean+sherk/video/x2ghf3_ufc-all-access-sean-sherk

[fenikz]

Just wondering if everyone's friends had that same opinion as mine thinking that that fight(Sherk v Franca) was terrible and boring as hell?

IMO I thought it was actually a good fight, Sherk basically put on a clinic on the ground game

I think it has to do with me having experience in Kenpo & BJJ, and actually knowing what he is doing

[UKfan]

I enjoyed Sherk vs Franca, definitely moreso than Ortiz vs Evans anyway....

[Ravens1991]

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=4292&zoneid=2

That is the salaries that the fighters got, I think they could be getting a lot more $.

[fenikz]

ouch they need to pay sherk more

[Ravens1991]

yea the bad thing is they seem to be getting ripped off, but they really cant go anywere else w/ Pride being bought by UFC and all.

[SuperKevin]

Quick Question

I know Spike TV has all the rights to UFC on TV but now that UFC bought Pride, what happens to ESPN's rights to televising Pride?

[Ravens1991]

I didnt know that ESPN showed Pride, Pride is shown on Comcast for me, which is the same channel that shows "The best damn sports show"

[gbpackers0065]

I FSN had Pride's rights, that's what it's on for me.

[Ravens1991]

Sean Sherk's All Access, he is a machine!

http://www.dailymotion.com/relevance/search/sean+sherk/video/x2ghf3_ufc-all-access-sean-sherk

wow that was intense.

[SuperKevin]

I didnt know that ESPN showed Pride, Pride is shown on Comcast for me, which is the same channel that shows "The best damn sports show"

I watched Pride on ESPN2 last night

[Ravens1991]

was it that best damn sports show Rampage special? Because saturday I saw Henderson VS. Silva on the same channel that shows best damn sports show.

[fenikz]

i have seen K-1 on ESPN but not Pride

[Ravens1991]

I heard Lyoto Machida will be shoguns 1st UFC fight, from what I have seen Shogun do to Rampage and Lyoto not being ranked in the top 10 on several MMA rankings,

There will probably be Lyoto blood all over the octagon. Also there is a rumor that Liddells next fight will be against Wanderlei Silva, I think that would be preety decent but I think Silva would win.

[fenikz]

I know that Shogun is fighting at 76 but as of now no body wants to fight him, where did you see Machida vs Shogun announced?

[ccB]

I know that Shogun is fighting at 76 but as of now no body wants to fight him, where did you see Machida vs Shogun announced?

MMA Weekly has it listed in their rumors. I actually like Machida could shock some people, hes no can.

[Ravens1991]

I dont know a lot about Machida, do you think they are sending some guy out to get dominated to build up some Shogun hype for hopefully his title shots?

[fenikz]

i dont think it matters who they put in front of shogun, i honestly feel he will KO everyone they put in front of him

[MaxV]

i dont think it matters who they put in front of shogun, i honestly feel he will KO everyone they put in front of him

Every LHW you mean, right?

[Ravens1991]

probably, heck I think he could be a decent HWT also, he is a machine.

[ccB]

You guys have to think about how some pride guys have been fairing so far, I want to see how Shogun reacts to not having his soccer kicks and head stomps. Also in his most recent pride fights shogun didnt look all that sharp, Cyrlle Diabiate a virtual unknown was actually pretty impressive against Shogun. Im not saying Machida is going to win but he should nto be looked at as a stepping stone, he should be looked at as a legitimate opponent.

[LB51]

I dont know a lot about Machida, do you think they are sending some guy out to get dominated to build up some Shogun hype for hopefully his title shots?


Machia is a very good Fighter, one of only 2 Guys to defeat Rich Franklin
he has beat Penn although there is a huge size difference. Shogun has good stand up but he swings wild and Machida is a very technichal striker so if the fight stays on its fight ther us a chance shogun could get caught. but imo Shungun has the best ground game in the world but also Machida is no slouch on the ground either... so i wouldn't b completely shocked is shogun lost. with that bein said Shogun will most likely win becuz he is the superior fighter, Machida is jus a bad matchup for him

[Ravens1991]

You guys have to think about how some pride guys have been fairing so far, I want to see how Shogun reacts to not having his soccer kicks and head stomps. Also in his most recent pride fights shogun didnt look all that sharp, Cyrlle Diabiate a virtual unknown was actually pretty impressive against Shogun. Im not saying Machida is going to win but he should nto be looked at as a stepping stone, he should be looked at as a legitimate opponent.

yea some people said they wanted to see him fight a Tito Ortiz level opponent before they act like he gets a title shot due to the rule changes.

[Ravens1991]

http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=2928261

Dana White interview, it is official the winner of Rampage VS. Henderson will get both the pride and UFC belt.





Also Kimbo Slice VS. Tank Abbott is going on september 14

[MaxV]

ESPN.com: Fedor Emelianenko -- when will he be in the UFC?
DW: We'll have him soon. We'll have him before the end of the year.

Great news.

Also Dana contradicted his earlier statement regarding the unification bout between Hendo and Rampage, but I'm glad it's for the titles.

[soybean]

Great news.

Also Dana contradicted his earlier statement regarding the unification bout between Hendo and Rampage, but I'm glad it's for the titles.

in all honesty, dana white is never well put together. He's a great representation to the company from a fan perspective but he doesn't handle interviews or debates well. Just check out his interview with bill o'reilley, rich franklin..

Also, if he wants the sport to be more serious, i think he should drop the whole feud he has with fighters and to stop calling them "morons" He's not vince mcmahon and should be more professional if he truly wants MMA to overtake boxing.

[fenikz]

new ufc game coming out check out this video

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/21759.html

[LB51]

Silva v Lidell is off

[fenikz]

where did you hear that?

[LB51]

where did you hear that?

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=8242

[Man_Of_Steel]

new ufc game coming out check out this video

http://www.gametrailers.com/player/21759.html

Ya, I saw it on G4, looks amazing.

[LTgiants]

any 1 else watching spike right now its gabe Rudiger vs Melvin galard

[LTgiants]

any 1 else watching spike right now its gabe Rudiger vs Melvin galard

gallard won in the opening of the 2nd round with a body punch

[fenikz]

KO via body shot?

did he tap or was it just that brutal?

[ccB]

KO via body shot?

did he tap or was it just that brutal?

Thats an older fight, Guillard hit him in the stomach and Ruediger fell over forward and coulldnt stand up.

[soybean]

guillard is beastly, too bad he juices...

[Its all about The U]

Thats an older fight, Guillard hit him in the stomach and Ruediger fell over forward and coulldnt stand up.

too much cake?

[soybean]

wtf, did anyone know herb dean fights?

he's fighting this saturday in a cage rage 22.

his record is 2-2.

[Rob S]

yeah i saw that on sherdog, pretty cool if u ask me.

[Ravens1991]

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/blog/box_experts/post/UFC-75-set-for-Spike-TV;;_ylt=AgEkk8cbAVfCu4O54F6by4SUxLYF?urn=box,3936 9


UFC 75 will be on Spike not PPV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is the best news I have heard all day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was about to ask for UFC 75 for my b-day but not I dont have to I am so happy.

[ccB]

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/blog/box_experts/post/UFC-75-set-for-Spike-TV;;_ylt=AgEkk8cbAVfCu4O54F6by4SUxLYF?urn=box,3936 9


UFC 75 will be on Spike not PPV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is the best news I have heard all day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was about to ask for UFC 75 for my b-day but not I dont have to I am so happy.

I wonder if all UFC events in Europe will be free, that seems to be the developing trend.

[Ravens1991]

yea I remember a while ago it was free.

[gbpackers0065]

http://sports.yahoo.com/box/blog/box_experts/post/UFC-75-set-for-Spike-TV;;_ylt=AgEkk8cbAVfCu4O54F6by4SUxLYF?urn=box,3936 9


UFC 75 will be on Spike not PPV!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

That is the best news I have heard all day!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I was about to ask for UFC 75 for my b-day but not I dont have to I am so happy.

THATS INCREDIBLE! UFC 75>>>Stacked

[ccB]

THATS INCREDIBLE! UFC 75>>>Stacked

I wouldnt go THAT far but the card is defintely solid.

[RyanLeaf#1]

Thats awesome that its free. I bought the last one. So its definitely saving me money.

[Ravens1991]

I am just pumped for Rampage VS. Henderson, wasnt Liddell VS. Silva supposed to be on this one to but Silva wanted it in November.

[Ravens1991]

UFC 75 bouts

Rampage VS. Henderson
Cro Crop VS. Cheick Kongo
Matt Hamill VS. Michael Bisping
Houston Alexander VS. Alessio Sakara

[ccB]

UFC 75 bouts

Rampage VS. Henderson
Cro Crop VS. Cheick Kongo
Matt Hamill VS. Michael Bisping
Houston Alexander VS. Alessio Sakara

Alexander vs Sakara is going to be a slugfest. Ravens you can goto www.mmaweekly.com and they have fight cards all the way up until december.

[Ravens1991]

o thanks......

[UKfan]

I'm worried about Bisping v Hamill, I'm a big Bisping fan, but clearly his biggest hole in his game is his wrestling, which obviously Hamill is good at, I can see a Lay n Pray victory for Hamill unless Bisping can sub him from his back.

[fenikz]

Shogun vs Forest Griffin at 76

its gonna be a murder

[slightlyaraiderfan]

Shogun vs Forest Griffin at 76

its gonna be a murder
Nerv let me know about that matchup yesterday, i'm pumped because i will be attending ufc 76

[gbpackers0065]

Nerv let me know about that matchup yesterday, i'm pumped because i will be attending ufc 76

Damn! I wish I was on the West Coast.

[Ravens1991]

that will be intense. I am cringing now just thinking about that.

[fenikz]

I got 1st round KO by Knees

[Rob S]

I think Shogun stops him rd 1, it will be interesting how tho haha. Shougun could KO him with a knee, a punch, he could take him down and G+P, he could takedown and sub him, or he could take him down and show off his elbows(which are now legal!)

One thing people overlook is Shogun's ability on the ground. If u watch his fights in PRIDE, he gets side control easier than any other fighter i have seen, with elbows, that can be a huge benefit in the UFC.

[ccB]

I think Shogun will win but I do not think he will look as dominate as people think. His last few fights hes looked slower and sloppier, I think not being able to use stomps and soccer kicks will also play a factor. Also the cage will take some getting used to. Not to mention the fact that pride fighters seem to have a hard time transitioning into the ufc.

[Rob S]

I think Shogun will win but I do not think he will look as dominate as people think. His last few fights hes looked slower and sloppier, I think not being able to use stomps and soccer kicks will also play a factor. Also the cage will take some getting used to. Not to mention the fact that pride fighters seem to have a hard time transitioning into the ufc.

yeah the pride transition thing worries me. Shogun's has looked sloppy, yes, but his takedowns have been superb and he had looked pretty good on the ground. Plus, this is Forrest we are talking about, his standup isnt close to Shogun's. I like Shogun to dominate....but I see where u are coming from. Also, that clinch can be deadly, it is underutilized in the UFC. Look what happened with Anderson Silva. He used the clinch and DESTROYED one of the UFC's best.

[ccB]

yeah the pride transition thing worries me. Shogun's has looked sloppy, yes, but his takedowns have been superb and he had looked pretty good on the ground. Plus, this is Forrest we are talking about, his standup isnt close to Shogun's. I like Shogun to dominate....but I see where u are coming from. Also, that clinch can be deadly, it is underutilized in the UFC. Look what happened with Anderson Silva. He used the clinch and DESTROYED one of the UFC's best.

Yeah no doubt that I think Shogun will win I just dont know about first round, Forrest can take a beating theres no quit in him. With that said he still doesnt stand a chance.

[Rob S]

Yeah no doubt that I think Shogun will win I just dont know about first round, Forrest can take a beating theres no quit in him. With that said he still doesnt stand a chance.

Yeah Forrest's chin is amazing. But a knee can put anyone out. Plus a good chin doesnt matter with subs.....and I think there is a good chance Shogun takes it to the ground....his subs looked sick vs Randlemen. Plus he recently said in an interview that Forrest has good stand up but a deficient ground game.

[Rob S]

but it is the year of upsets haha.........i saw a great HL on that......I have to try and find it again.

[Rob S]

haha here it is, pretty good HL

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6335167769705552320&q=mma+year+of+upsets&total=6&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=0

[ccB]

but it is the year of upsets haha.........i saw a great HL on that......I have to try and find it again.

Yeah thats what has me skeptical, If you would have told me Gonzaga would KO Cro Cop, I would have smacked you.

[Ravens1991]

You have to applaud Forrest, not afraid to fight the top notch guys. I am glad Shogun can get some fights, now I wonder, will the winner of Hendo VS. Rampage face Shogun assuming Shogun wins, or would there be other bouts for the fighters?

[Rob S]

You have to applaud Forrest, not afraid to fight the top notch guys. I am glad Shogun can get some fights, now I wonder, will the winner of Hendo VS. Rampage face Shogun assuming Shogun wins, or would there be other bouts for the fighters?
Shogun said he was getting a title shot if he beats forrest

[Ravens1991]

thats good, who ever it is will be a great match against Shogun.

[soybean]

I too don't think it'll be a walk in the park for shogun. He's arguably the best LHW right now but his last couple fights, although he won, looked kind of sloppy. Also, it seems like a lot of pride guys are struglling a little bit to get use to the UFC. rampage vs. eastman was a gimme for rampage but he didn't look THAT good against him even though he KO'd him. And Cro cop's fight against eddie sanchez was also a gimme but his striking looked less dynamic than it usually does.

You guys might not agree but I also think nerves has a lot to do with it. The UFC puts a lot more significance and hype to each event unlike each pride event.

Also, the change of rules I think will be a big part to shogun's initial success.

[fenikz]

The only thing Shogun can't do in UFC that he could in Pride was kicking people on the ground, so what if he can't get in 1 soccer kick a match it's not what makes him the best LHW in the world, he is the total package, great ground game, excellent striking, good takedown defense, and conditioning that is on par with anyone in MMA

and I guess you can call winning by decision struggling, only becasue he is that good & wins like 8% of hsmatches by 1st round TKO

[soybean]

can't knee on the ground either or stomp.

[slightlyaraiderfan]

I too don't think it'll be a walk in the park for shogun. He's arguably the best LHW right now but his last couple fights, although he won, looked kind of sloppy. Also, it seems like a lot of pride guys are struglling a little bit to get use to the UFC. rampage vs. eastman was a gimme for rampage but he didn't look THAT good against him even though he KO'd him. And Cro cop's fight against eddie sanchez was also a gimme but his striking looked less dynamic than it usually does.

You guys might not agree but I also think nerves has a lot to do with it. The UFC puts a lot more significance and hype to each event unlike each pride event.

Also, the change of rules I think will be a big part to shogun's initial success.
Are you going? It's going to be in your backyard

[soybean]

Are you going? It's going to be in your backyard

really? i didn't know that.

probably not though, i heard UFC events aren't very good live because it's hard to see with the cage. Also all the drunk idiots that boo all the events would probably make me pretty mad.

Might change my mind being able to see shogun up close though.

are you going? you live in garden grove right?

[slightlyaraiderfan]

really? i didn't know that.

probably not though, i heard UFC events aren't very good live because it's hard to see with the cage. Also all the drunk idiots that boo all the events would probably make me pretty mad.

Might change my mind being able to see shogun up close though.

are you going? you live in garden grove right?
I work in garden grove, but im not too far from anaheim and yes i'm going. I need to experience a life ufc event once in my life.

[ccB]

I work in garden grove, but im not too far from anaheim and yes i'm going. I need to experience a life ufc event once in my life.

We took a trip to garden grove, it smelled like lou dog inside the van oooooh yeah. This aint no funky reggae party, five dollars at the door. It gets so real soooooooooometimes ....ok ok ill stop.

[Rob S]

We took a trip to garden grove, it smelled like lou dog inside the van oooooh yeah. This aint no funky reggae party, five dollars at the door. It gets so real soooooooooometimes ....ok ok ill stop.

true to the sig.......I like it

[bernbabybern820]

Sean Sherk tested positive for roids?

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=4359&zoneid=2

[bernbabybern820]

Hermes Franca also admits using roids.

http://ufcjunkie.com/2007/07/19/csac-sean-sherk-hermes-franca-both-fail-ufc-73-drug-tests/

[fenikz]

Nandrolone is a natural substance that the body makes, im not sure how you wouldn't test positive for it, i guess maybe you could have a unnatural amount of it or something

[soybean]

he's going to be stripped of the title...


so im guessing BJ Penn is going to have to fight a number one contender for the belt like tito did. Gomi?

[ccB]

he's going to be stripped of the title...


so im guessing BJ Penn is going to have to fight a number one contender for the belt like tito did. Gomi?

My guess is Roger Huerta.

[fenikz]

Unless they can get Gomi I think it will be BJ vs Huerta, which I wouldn't be shocked if Huerta pulled the upset

[Man_Of_Steel]

My guess is Roger Huerta.

Huerta vs Garcia was one heck of a fight. Huerta always has great fights, Huerta vs Penn would be bananas.

[soybean]

how awesome would it be if they had a lightweight grand prix for the title?

they'd have to bring in gomi or aoki to level the playing field though, i would think.

[ccB]

BJ Penn vs Gilbert Melendez would be amazzzzzing a Gomi rematch would also be cool. Seeing two submission wizards in Aoki and Penn go at it would be sweet also. I think Huerta is the fight though because American audiences are somewhere familiar of him.

[Rob S]

I dont see the big deal with Huerta tbh, low level of comp. and he hasnt looked amazing in beating them. Sorry, I think his #1 contender status has more to do with his tattoo than anything else. Aoki, Melendez, Gomi, Sakurai, and many others would be better options imo. BJ probably beats them all imo anyway, Gomi would probably be the most intriguing tho. I think BJ stands with Aoki and KO's him, He takes Melendez to the ground and subs him, it would be a great fight tho, Gomi fight is 50-50 imo, and I think he beats Sakurai decisively.

[fenikz]

I don't think Huerta is at the level of guys like Gomi, Mach, Melendez, or Aoki, but he has beaten everyone that the UFC has put in front of him and with the exception Hendo, they normally make people fight a few times before they get a shot

[Rob S]

I don't think Huerta is at the level of guys like Gomi, Mach, Melendez, or Aoki, but he has beaten everyone that the UFC has put in front of him and with the exception Hendo, they normally make people fight a few times before they get a shot

Yeah, but the problem is that the UFC puts crap in front of him. In the UFC he has fought: jason dent, John Halverson, Leonard Garcia, and Douglas Evans. CRAP! And, he only has a 50% finish rate.......sorry not buying the hype, the tat is sweet tho.

[ccB]

Yeah, but the problem is that the UFC puts crap in front of him. In the UFC he has fought: jason dent, John Halverson, Leonard Garcia, and Douglas Evans. CRAP! And, he only has a 50% finish rate.......sorry not buying the hype, the tat is sweet tho.

But who exactly could he fight in the UFC that would prove hes good? At the moment UFC is pretty weak at LW. If they are using a LW fighter who is in the UFC right now there isnt no one better the Huerta, maybe Joe Stevenson but hes got a fight coming up soon and probably wouldnt be ready by than. Even if he didnt have a fight Id still take Huerta over him.

Kenny Florian is probably the best LW in the UFC that isnt either 1. on roids or 2. BJ Penn. But does Dana give him another title shot so soon?


EDIT: I just notice Huerta has just been added onto the same card as the Stevenson fight, so perhaps Joe is a possibility after. Another name on that card that could be a decent opponent for BJ is Marcus Aurelio

[Rob S]

But who exactly could he fight in the UFC that would prove hes good? At the moment UFC is pretty weak at LW. If they are using a LW fighter who is in the UFC right now there isnt no one better the Huerta, maybe Joe Stevenson but hes got a fight coming up soon and probably wouldnt be ready by than. Even if he didnt have a fight Id still take Huerta over him.

Kenny Florian is probably the best LW in the UFC that isnt either 1. on roids or 2. BJ Penn. But does Dana give him another title shot so soon?


EDIT: I just notice Huerta has just been added onto the same card as the Stevenson fight, so perhaps Joe is a possibility after. Another name on that card that could be a decent opponent for BJ is Marcus Aurelio

I would prefer to bring PRIDE guys (why was it bought?) If Dana wont do it, put him in there vs KenFlo, he is better comp than anyone else. He has fought nobody that even belongs in the UFC. If he beats Kenny Florian I think his rep goes up a ton because as of right now he has flashed skills but has no very legit wins in the UFC, KenFlo would be a legit win. You cant get a title shot by winning vs crappy opponents, imo anyway.

[Ravens1991]

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=4365&zoneid=2


Sherk is filing an appeal also Hermes Franca.


In Sean Sherk’s case, the levels for nandralone came back at 12 ng/mL. The average adult will test for nandralone at 2 ng/mL, and an athlete with vigorous activity will test up to 6 ng/mL. Garcia stands behind the fact that Sherk’s test coming back at 12 ng/mL, twice the limit, is more than enough to prove the positive testing correct.

he had twice the limit of a athlete doing vigorous training, granted his training is probably tougher then what they are basing it on, but having twice the limit is not good for Sherk.

[gbpackers0065]

He takes 66 pills a day, I'm not surprised he had those levels.

[fenikz]

if it was the UFC doing the tests i bet he could get away with it but not with the CSAC

[Ravens1991]

Pride is on FSN now, Sokodujo just knocked out Arona (probably spelled their names wrong).

[soybean]

Pride is on FSN now, Sokodujo just knocked out Arona (probably spelled their names wrong).

he's got bricks as hands.

[ccB]

he's got bricks as hands.

I really like Sokoudjo but I cant buy into the hype yet. When he beat Nog I felt it was a fluke, when he beat Arona I started buying into it a little more. I need to see him one more time before I can become a true Soukodjou groupie.

[Ravens1991]

If you watched that Pride it was funny because some sacraficial lamb looking for his 15 minutes of fame was sent out against Cro Crop and Cro Crop would kick him then Yamomoto would tap his own leg taunting Cro Crop. It was like dangling a T-bone steak above the Lion pit.

[fenikz]

I got another 3 hours til it comes on, good to know that the Soko fight is on it, I have a lot of faith that he will be a top 5 LHW within a year and a half or so

[JF4]

When is is Soko fighting next?

[RyanLeaf#1]

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=4365&zoneid=2


Sherk is filing an appeal also Hermes Franca.




he had twice the limit of a athlete doing vigorous training, granted his training is probably tougher then what they are basing it on, but having twice the limit is not good for Sherk.

During that whole fight I was looking at Sherk and thinking is it possible to look like that if your not on something?

[fenikz]

I'm not sure, the last I heard was that his deal with EliteXC had fallen through and he was in talks with K-1 Heroes, he is supposedly going to be making over $200,000 a fight, the 1st being with Alistair Overeem

[Ravens1991]

I remember he was talking about lifting since he was 7, that is crazy.

[Ravens1991]

Do you see the UFC progessing Shogun to be the face of the UFC instead of Liddell, I mean yea Liddell is a badass but give Shogun some time in the octagon and he will probably be unstoppable, Shogun is younger and probably more marketable if he can speak english fluently.

[Ravens1991]

http://www.mediafire.com/?3xuxj2zpmvk

Rampage on Sirius interview.

[Rob S]

Do you see the UFC progessing Shogun to be the face of the UFC instead of Liddell, I mean yea Liddell is a badass but give Shogun some time in the octagon and he will probably be unstoppable, Shogun is younger and probably more marketable if he can speak english fluently.

He doesnt speak english tho......I really hope he learns. As of now all he knows is "I love America" haha. Apparently he has a new haircut too, I cant find pics tho, maybe Dana put him up to it.

[soybean]

I think Rampage and Couture are the faces of the UFC now.

[Ravens1991]

yes they deserve to be, but Liddell is getting all the late night talk shows and he gets punked and all that stuff. In Rampages interview he said Chuck gets treated better then everybody else.

[fenikz]

Liddell really isn't that marketable, yes he is probably the most well known man in MMA but he really isn't that great of a speaker and IMO has very little charisma, Rampage will make things much more interesting for the UFC as champ, and once Shogun learns english i do see him becoming the face of the UFC, he is like 23-24 now

[Ravens1991]

yea it is 25-26 so he has 10-12 years of dominance ahead of him.

[soybean]

I wish the UFC would feed Rashad Evans to either Shogun or Wanderlei. Both would be perfect candidates to expose Rashad and end any inkling that he may be a LHW contender.

[Ravens1991]

I wish Silva would have faced Liddell that would have been a good one. Are Tito and Rashad going to have a re-match?

[soybean]

I wish Silva would have faced Liddell that would have been a good one. Are Tito and Rashad going to have a re-match?

they had it at first on the rumors on mmaweekly, but then they took it off...

[shrugs] go figure...

p.s. chuck is gonna kill Keith jardine

[Man_Of_Steel]

There showing the Couture vs Silvia fight on SpikeTV right now.

[Ravens1991]

Couture dominates him

[fenikz]

I got money on Gonzaga over Couture

[ccB]

Yeah I think Gonzaga has it, hes got better BJJ and underrated stand up. You know im going to be riding with the Natural on this one though.

[Ravens1991]

Same here. Is there any word on who Cro Crop is gonna fight next?





NVM He is going to face Cheick Kongo

[JF4]

The Couture Sylvia fight has to be one of my favourites of all-time. I don't think i've ever been as happy watching a fight and screamed so loud (well there was the St. Pierre vs. Hughes fight). But still, I love watching Randy fight.

[fenikz]

if Cro Cop beats Kongo do you think he and Minotauro will fight for the #1 spot?

[Ravens1991]

What are the best Pride and UFC cards? I noticed on Sherdog that is selling a lot of them for around $15 to $20

[Ravens1991]

if Cro Cop beats Kongo do you think he and Minotauro will fight for the #1 spot?

Isn't Fedor ranked #1? My guess is the winner of Couture VS. Gonzaga will fight Fedor.

[fenikz]

Isn't Fedor ranked #1? My guess is the winner of Couture VS. Gonzaga will fight Fedor.

Fedor hasn't signed with the UFC and his agent says that if he does he wants a warm up match or 2 to get used to it, so it looks like he won't be in contention for the title for a while

[Ravens1991]

OK so you mean do you think the winner of Coture VS. Gonzaga will fight then winner of Cro Crop VS. Kongo? I think that could happen I want to see Cro Crop get the title he is my favorite HWT

[bernbabybern820]

Fedor hasn't signed with the UFC and his agent says that if he does he wants a warm up match or 2 to get used to it, so it looks like he won't be in contention for the title for a while

Hopefully Fedor announces that he's gonna sign with UFC after the Gonzaga Couture fight.

[UKfan]

I can't wait to see Kongo v Cro Cop, in all honesty I could see Kongo pulling the upset, his striking looks to me to be very tight and I doubt CC will want to take the fight to the ground. High risk match for CC in comparison to other matchups, eg Sylvia.

[Ravens1991]

I am glad Kongo VS. Cro Crop will be on the same card as Rampage VS. Henderson.

[soybean]

I can't wait to see Kongo v Cro Cop, in all honesty I could see Kongo pulling the upset, his striking looks to me to be very tight and I doubt CC will want to take the fight to the ground. High risk match for CC in comparison to other matchups, eg Sylvia.

that'll REALLLLLY suck and be a huge set back if cro cop loses twice in a row.

[UKfan]

Yeah I guess that's my point, why not feed someone who is a relatively big name to CC and low risk. I think Cheick is a risk to CC in terms of styles. Whereas there is no way I could see Big Tim beating CC.

[Ravens1991]

I would love to see CC VS. Sylva.

[fenikz]

Anyone every considered making a Fantasy UFC league, the draft would be something like 2 of every weight class and then like a Util guy, points awarded for wins, maybe like 1 for a decision, 2 for a TKO or Sub and if its a championship match you could double the points or add an extra point, would be pretty fun if we could get people who are committed

[MaxV]

Vadim Finkelstein, Fedor's manager, discusses in detail the ongoing negotiations with UFC and other organizations.

Sherdog.com: As Fedor's manager, can you please fill us in on the current state of his contract negotiations.


VF: At the moment we are in negotiations with a number of organizations who have put offers on the table. I'll be blunt in saying that the UFC offer is the most financially attractive one. However they are very harsh in their terms and are not very flexible in actually negotiating them.

Fedor has now been the PRIDE heavyweight champion for four years and I think we have earned the right to negotiate a contract that suits both parties. Instead we are faced with a blunt "you are either in or you're out." This does not really suit us. If the negotiations continue in a similar manner, we'll prefer to fight for less money but with an organization which is more flexible.

The problem is that Fedor is the face of Combat Sambo in Russia. His popularity is at a level where he is acquainted with president Putin himself, in part because he is so successful and well known for Combat Sambo here.

Combat Sambo is a Russian sport that's not at a level of difficulty of MMA, but is hugely popular with our public. Fedor must represent Russia in Combat Sambo and at world championships, specifically the ones coming up in September. All we want him to do is compete something like once a year in Combat Sambo. But the UFC is not happy with that.

Their proposal has all kinds of clauses, all kinds of fines etc. that do not suit us. The UFC is not really that eager to communicate and negotiate. The negotiations are still continuing, and we will try very hard to get our demands met, if not Fedor will simply not compete in the UFC, even though that will be unfortunate as they currently have one of the, if not the, strongest, heavyweight divisions in the world.

http://sports.espn.go.com/extra/mma/news/story?id=2951422

[UKfan]

Anyone every considered making a Fantasy UFC league, the draft would be something like 2 of every weight class and then like a Util guy, points awarded for wins, maybe like 1 for a decision, 2 for a TKO or Sub and if its a championship match you could double the points or add an extra point, would be pretty fun if we could get people who are committed

It's a good idea, but quite hard to pull off I would imagine since the events are quite infrequent and guys don't fight on every card. So if someone took Roger Huerta say, he would probably score more points than Chuck for example. Even though I would say Chuck is better p4p.

[Ravens1991]

the Couture VS. Sylva UFC is at those redbox things that are a dollar a night deal.

[Donno]

I am glad Kongo VS. Cro Crop will be on the same card as Rampage VS. Henderson.

This looks to be the best fight card this year to me, I'm a huge Cro Cop fan. Did anyone see that Liddell's fighting Keith Jardine, is that a joke? Couture will own Conzaga.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventdetail.fightCard&eid=822

[fenikz]

This looks to be the best fight card this year to me, I'm a huge Cro Cop fan. Did anyone see that Liddell's fighting Keith Jardine, is that a joke? Couture will own Conzaga.

http://www.ufc.com/index.cfm?fa=eventdetail.fightCard&eid=822

its about as much of a joke as shogun vs griifin

[Ravens1991]

I guess they are sending out sacraficial(sp) lambs out to build up Shoguns name because some people may not know who he is. I don't know why Liddell is fighting Keith, I would like to see Liddell VS. Wanderlai, but Wanderlai wanted a October match up because he is moving to America in September but Liddell wanted a September match up so it didn't work out :(

[Ravens1991]

I just got Pride shockwave 2005 for $25 these are the fights.

Wanderlei Silva VS. Ricardo Arona(middleweight championship bout)
Dan Henderson VS. Murilo Bustamante(welterweight championship bout)
Takanori Gomi VS. Hayato "mach" Sakurai(lightweight grand prix bout)
Cro Crop VS. Mark Hunt
Fedor Emelianeko VS. Wager da conceicao "zuluzinho" martins
Ikazushi Sakuraba VS. Ikuhisa "the punk" Minowa
Hidehiko Yoshida VS. Nadya Ogawa
James "mega punk" Thompson VS. Paul Cesar "giant" Silva
Charles "Crazy horse" Bennett VS. Ken Kaneko
Aleksander Emeliankenko VS. Pawel Nastula
Kazuhiro Nakamura VS. Yuki Kondo
Sanae Kikuta VS. Makoto Takimoto


do you think I got ripped or a deal?

[ccB]

I just got Pride shockwave 2005 for $25 these are the fights.

Wanderlei Silva VS. Ricardo Arona(middleweight championship bout)
Dan Henderson VS. Murilo Bustamante(welterweight championship bout)
Takanori Gomi VS. Hayato "mach" Sakurai(lightweight grand prix bout)
Cro Crop VS. Mark Hunt
Fedor Emelianeko VS. Wager da conceicao "zuluzinho" martins
Ikazushi Sakuraba VS. Ikuhisa "the punk" Minowa
Hidehiko Yoshida VS. Nadya Ogawa
James "mega punk" Thompson VS. Paul Cesar "giant" Silva
Charles "Crazy horse" Bennett VS. Ken Kaneko
Aleksander Emeliankenko VS. Pawel Nastula
Kazuhiro Nakamura VS. Yuki Kondo
Sanae Kikuta VS. Makoto Takimoto


do you think I got ripped or a deal?

I got the Bushido box set (3 dvds) for $13

[ccB]

Brandon Vera rumored to be fighting in the UFC again at UFC 78 vs Andrei Arlovski, should be an entertaining match.

[Ravens1991]

I got the Bushido box set (3 dvds) for $13

on-line or in a store? What store because I got mine at FYE.

[ccB]

on-line or in a store? What store because I got mine at FYE.

Record and Tape Traders, Goto Best Buy instead of mall stores like FYE, they usually have fighting tapes cheaper there.

[Ravens1991]

I will check them out, yea the same video is $20 on sherdog but w/ shipping and all it evens out. CCBG did you get those videos used?

[slightlyaraiderfan]

I got the Bushido box set (3 dvds) for $13
Me too, good stuff.

[Ravens1991]

It is official Tank Abbott VS. Kimbo Slice in October. http://sports.bodogbeat.com/mma-news-kimbo-slice-vs-tank-abbot-is-official-94285.html


I got Kimbo w/ a KO or TKO.

[soybean]

It is official Tank Abbott VS. Kimbo Slice in October. I got Kimbo w/ a KO or TKO.

I wonder when brock lesnar is gonna get to fight again.

[Ravens1991]

There are reports that Liddell didn't want to fight Shogun and chose Jardeine instead but Liddell denies them. http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=4436&zoneid=2

I would have loved to see Liddell VS. Shogun

[Rob S]

What are the best Pride and UFC cards? I noticed on Sherdog that is selling a lot of them for around $15 to $20

PRIDE 33 (not released yet tho) and Bushido 9 are the two best PRIDE cards ever imo. Bushido 9 is well worth the money, 7 is good too. I dont really know much about UFC history tho, I think The one with Randy vs Rizzo was amazing tho.

[Rob S]

There are reports that Liddell didn't want to fight Shogun and chose Jardeine instead but Liddell denies them. http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=4436&zoneid=2

I would have loved to see Liddell VS. Shogun

that would be stupid by the UFC imo, Shogun is not known yet so u have to build him slowly with wins. If he beats Liddell, Shogun is huge, but your cash cow Liddell is no longer a maineventer. If Liddell wins, Shogun just seems like a sacraficial lamb to uneducated fans, sad but true. Great for the fans, crappy for the UFC business wise.

[ccB]

Fabricio Werdum joins the Chute Boxe academy

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=4485&zoneid=13


This could be scary, a young BJJ master like Werdum will benefit so much from training with Chute Boxe. This will take his striking ability to another level. First the guy trains with Cro Cop now Wandy, Shogun and the boys.

[Rob S]

Fabricio Werdum joins the Chute Boxe academy

http://www.mmaweekly.com/absolutenm/templates/dailynews.asp?articleid=4485&zoneid=13


This could be scary, a young BJJ master like Werdum will benefit so much from training with Chute Boxe. This will take his striking ability to another level. First the guy trains with Cro Cop now Wandy, Shogun and the boys.
could be huge, unfortunatley Wandy isnt training there anymore (for a little while at least). I have always liked Werdum, was really pulling for him to put on a show vs Arlovski....

[locseti]

Brandon Vera rumored to be fighting in the UFC again at UFC 78 vs Andrei Arlovski, should be an entertaining match.

Orlovsky was boring in the last fight I saw. He seems really hesistant, I don't think he's quite been the same since getting ko'd. Vera will probably bring the fight to him and force him to into a dogfight though - maybe we'll even catch a glimpse of the pitbull.

[Ravens1991]

PRIDE 33 (not released yet tho) and Bushido 9 are the two best PRIDE cards ever imo. Bushido 9 is well worth the money, 7 is good too. I dont really know much about UFC history tho, I think The one with Randy vs Rizzo was amazing tho.

yea I got Bushido 9 it looks sick.



We are now less then one month until Rampage VS. Dangerous Dan Henderson!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ccB]

Orlovsky was boring in the last fight I saw. He seems really hesistant, I don't think he's quite been the same since getting ko'd. Vera will probably bring the fight to him and force him to into a dogfight though - maybe we'll even catch a glimpse of the pitbull.

I think Andrei looked so hesistant in his last fight because he knew it was a must win. He knew he was ahead on the score cards so he wasnt going to screw up and get KO-ed or caught in a submission. He went the smart but boring route ala Tim Sylvia and Josh Koscheck.

[fenikz]

so who does everone got in the Hendo vs Rampage bout?

I gotta go with Henderson he is just the better all around fighter, but i think it will last at least 3 rounds

[Ravens1991]

I agree that it will last more then 3 but I dont think it goes the distance, there is just to much knockout power in those 4 hands that will be in the ring. Henderson now has KO power w/ a left hook that he used against Silva, Henderson will be able to defend against Rampage throws IMO due to is Greco Roman olympic wrestling backround. I think both fighters will try to keep it standing. Henderson also has a KO win over Silva who Rampage lost to by TKO or KO twice,I forget which it was though. Rampage also has more octagon expierence. I am not certain about wrestling.

My pick- Henderson TKO after a vicious right, left, right punch combo.

I will admit Henderson is my favorite fighter so that may be a little biased. I will have to re-watch some Henderson fights before I decide the official combo though.

[ccB]

Yeah Henderson is probably my 2nd favorite fighter after BJ Penn so I am a little bias but I think he wins by GNP.

[UKfan]

Rampage by dogbite

In all seriousness I gotta go with Hendo though in the fourth.

[Ravens1991]

No matter who wins I think this fight is going to be a classic.

[Ravens1991]

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20196335/


Rampage VS. Henderson article, it is called the biggest MMA fight in history.

[Rob S]

Dont know, but I dont really buy the Rampage hype. I think Hendo will outstrike him for a few rounds, hurt him a few times and finish him with his HUGE right hand in the 3rd maybe earlier. Page is getting all of this hype because he beat Liddell. Now, I was one of Liddell's biggest supporters and thought he was amazing and did not deserve all of the negative views from serious MMA fans. However, I think he just had that style to beat Chuck, I dont but the rejuvenated Page argument. Page is what he is imo, and that is a borderline top 5 LHW, thats just how I see it. It is similar to Arona-Wanderlei. Arona is a borderline top 5 205er, but even when Wand was undisputed #1 p4p, his style gave him fits. That doesnt make Arona a top 2 or 3 205er in my book. I could be totally wrong and Page could beat Hendo, but I dont see how. Hendo is the more polished striker, probably has the best one punch weapon in his straight right, and is probably the better wrestler too. Page is bigger, but thats about it I think. I think Hendo looks dominant. When he fights Shogun it may be another story:)

[Ravens1991]

I will admit I will be nervous for the winner that faces Shogun.

About Shogun, who do you think is he better pound for pound fighter, Shogun or Fedor?

[MaxV]

I will admit I will be nervous for the winner that faces Shogun.

About Shogun, who do you think is he better pound for pound fighter, Shogun or Fedor?

I think it's Fedor.

Shogun may be the best in his weight class, but he hasn't faced Hendo yet, who could very well be his toughest opponent to date.

[Rob S]

Fedor is #1 for sure, BUT he does need to fight some better competition AND soon or he can lose his spot. The argument can be made that Fedor has only fought 2 top 10 HW in his career (altho I dont subscribe to that theory totally). Fedor is #1 but it is not as cut and dry as a lot of MMA people will have u believe. If he does not sign with the UFC, I think he is in severe danger of losing out to a guy like Shogun, Hendo, Penn, Anderson Silva (if he keeps going nuts).

[ccB]

If Henderson has 3 belts at once its going to be hard not to call him the best P4P.

[Rob S]

If Henderson has 3 belts at once its going to be hard not to call him the best P4P.

eh....he has that lost to Misaki so i dont really know how legit that 185 title is. His fight to win the title in the 1st place was real close too with Bustamante. I hate the PRIDE non title BS. As much as I love PRIDE, I always hated that. Hendo is up there for sure with a win over Rampage, but to challenge Fedor he needs to beat the #2 in his division imo, which Fedor did twice. Hendo looked great against Wand, but Wand could be a shot fighter (and I LOVE Chute Boxe), nobody really knows. Lets just say that I am not as impressed with Hendo as most.

[Rob S]

but i will say this, if he beats page and follows it up with a win over shogun and fedor is still fighting crap, hendo should be #1. Same goes for Shogun tho, I think a win over hendo would make him #1.

[Ravens1991]

I agree, even if he beats Rampage, true MMA followers will probably consider Shogun the favorite, but if Fedor joins some minor league thing and kills everybody it will be Shogun or Hendo.

speaking of which, do you think Fedor will go to the UFC, I mean it will be a complete waste of arguably the best MMA fighter now if he is out fighting Brock Lesnar for the title fight or something.

[MaxV]

I agree, even if he beats Rampage, true MMA followers will probably consider Shogun the favorite, but if Fedor joins some minor league thing and kills everybody it will be Shogun or Hendo.

speaking of which, do you think Fedor will go to the UFC, I mean it will be a complete waste of arguably the best MMA fighter now if he is out fighting Brock Lesnar for the title fight or something.

I think the deal will get done eventually.

I've heard that they were very close on financial part of it, but couldn't agree on other aspects.

According to Fedor's rep, Dana doesn't want him to participate in Sambo tournaments anymore, something Fedor says is very important to him.

Also, Fedor wants other Red Devil fighters to be signed, Dana doesn't seem to be interested. There are some good fighters in that group, Dana should sign them.

[Ravens1991]

yes I think he should also, just so he could get Fedor into the UFC, Fedor is a part man, part animal, part robot.

[Ravens1991]

Wanderlie Silva is training w/ Couture now

http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1358/1121007969_f533ef43cc.jpg

plus he will make his UFC debut Dec 29.

http://www.irishwhipfighting.com/2007/08/breaking-news-wanderlei-debuts-dec-29.html



I wish Liddell would have accepted the fight against him in november that would have been a great one.

[Ravens1991]

The next MMA superstar will be Jake Rosholt, mark it down, he has only been training for a couple of months and Randy Couture called him the most natural puncher he has seen in years. http://youtube.com/watch?v=zsTbPesVqe4 plus he was a darn good wrestler so he has takedowns good.

[Rob S]

i am confident dana will get the deal done......but if not, I have to put the blame on Fedor. It is very interesting that Wand is training with Randy considering Forrest also trains there........here's to hoping Silva keeps his mouth shut about Shogun.

[Ravens1991]

I agree, Fedor admitted that UFC is the best financially, plus at the end of the day I think he signs, that is were he gets the best HWT competition, if he goes somewere else he will be fighting Kimbo or Brock Lesnar for title fights.

[Ravens1991]

BJ Penn will fight august 25th

http://www.sherdog.com/news/news.asp?n_id=8155

[Rob S]

wow that card is amazing now!

[Rob S]

I dont know if the Penn thing is legit. That was on sherdog from july 4th. And no official word yet..........idk.

[Ravens1991]

I also heard Sokojudo(ms) the LHW got a contract offer from UFC, and Dan Henderson said by the time he retires Sokojudo will be #1

[Ravens1991]

http://www.gerweck.net/news/1181672515.shtml

Sokoudjou wants to fight Fedor and Shogun.

[Ravens1991]

Sherdog pound for pound rankings


http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=8670

[Rob S]

Sherdog pound for pound rankings


http://www.sherdog.com/news/articles.asp?n_id=8670

melendez at 3 is craziness

[Ravens1991]

yea I thought Henderson should of went there. Also I am surprised that BJ Penn didn't make the list.

[gbpackers0065]

Cummo, is gonna win his next fight, his standup game has improved a lot and he'll be too good for Crocota

[ccB]

melendez at 3 is craziness


Yeah I love Melendez but his opposition has been spotty at best. He needs some more top notch wins but IMO hes the number 1 guy at LW right now, only due to Gomi's horrible showing agianst Nick Diaz.

[Rob S]

Yeah I love Melendez but his opposition has been spotty at best. He needs some more top notch wins but IMO hes the number 1 guy at LW right now, only due to Gomi's horrible showing agianst Nick Diaz.

yeah u could make a case for that. Altho Gilbert himself didnt have an easy time with Kawajiri. Rankings wise u may have to go with melendez, but talent wise give me gomi and penn fo sho.

[ccB]

yeah u could make a case for that. Altho Gilbert himself didnt have an easy time with Kawajiri. Rankings wise u may have to go with melendez, but talent wise give me gomi and penn fo sho.

Oh well everyone should know how I feel about Penn, I didnt really include him in my LW rankings but he is for sure the best in that weight class if he stays there, he would be #2 in my P4P rankings, he may have the widest variety of skills in MMA right now, if only you could depend on his cardio.


MY P4P RANKINGS:

1. Fedor
2. BJ
3. Shogun
4. Dan Henderson
5. Anderson Silva
6. GSP (if it wasnt for his mental lapses he could be 1 or 2 overall)
7. Shinya Aoki
8. Paulo Filho
9. Takanori Gomi ( I am really down on him at the moment)
10. Kid Yamamoto

on the bubble: Theirry Sokoudjo, Bradon Vera, Rampage, Nick Diaz

(I just made this on the fly with no research so I am sure I left out deserving candidates)

[Ravens1991]

new UFC game trailer.

Rampage is on the hot list on 3 EST

[Jay]

RANDLEMAN ARREST DETAILS STRUGGLE

Former UFC Heavyweight Champion Facing Numerous Charges

By Brian Knapp

Troubling new details have emerged in the recent arrest of former UFC heavyweight champion Kevin Randleman. A former three-time All-American and two-time national wrestling champion at Ohio State University, Randleman was arrested Aug. 16 in Goodsprings, Nev. and charged with the following offenses:

• Malicious destruction of private property
• Intimidating a police officer
• Being under the influence of a controlled substance
• Driving without a valid license
• Failure to drive in a travel lane
• Driving under the influence of liquor and/or drugs
• Speeding 21 to 30 miles per hour over the posted speed limit

Randleman, 37, was held at the Clark County Detention Center in Las Vegas and later released on $11,600 bail. Randleman’s detention time could not be immediately obtained.

According to the Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department report obtained Tuesday by The Fight Network, a driver, later identified as Kevin C. Randleman, was clocked at 91 miles per hour by Officer E.A. Mulkey at approximately 8:43 AM PST on Aug. 16. Upon pursuit, the officer reported observing the vehicle swerving between lanes and nearly striking multiple vehicles.

The driver eventually slowed to a stop on the right shoulder of the highway, the report said. As Mulkey approached the driver’s side of the vehicle, he noticed the driver slumping towards the steering wheel. He detected “a strong odor of alcohol,” and Randleman appeared “confused and unsteady” when he exited the vehicle, according to the report.

Randleman was cooperative at first, the officer wrote, but pulled away upon being searched for weapons. “Due to the subject’s size and physical condition,” he was placed temporarily in handcuffs for safety reasons. When asked if he had been drinking, Randleman admitted he had consumed “some beers and mixed drinks,” the report said.

Upon closer examination, Mulkey observed Randleman’s eyes to be bloodshot and watery, his pupils dilated. The officer administered a field sobriety test and noticed a “white powdery” substance in and around Randleman’s right nostril, according to the report. Randleman denied taking narcotics, Mulkey reported.

After he failed to produce valid identification, Randleman was placed under arrest and put into the back of Mulkey’s patrol car. According to the report, Mulkey asked Randleman if the handcuffs were too tight, to which he replied, “They’re fine.” Randleman did not become upset until a responding officer searched his vehicle, the report said. However, he became increasingly violent during transport, according to the report.

Randleman later complained about numbness in his hands, at which point Mulkey again offered to adjust the handcuffs. The officer reported that Randleman threatened that “if I got near him he would head butt me and take me out.” The report also indicated the former UFC champion said that the only reason he was in custody was because he was a big, black “N—r.”

En route to the Clark County Detention Center, Randleman “began headbutting the transport cage, and bent one of the metal bars separating the plexiglass, no longer allowing the partition to fully close,” the report said. Mulkey stated that Randleman slumped across the backseat following his final head butt. The 37-year-old then continued with racial remarks. According to the report, he told Mulkey “you have a bleeding black man in your car” and suggested the officer was responsible for his injuries. Randleman then kicked the rear door several times, the officer reported.

When Randleman arrived at the CCDC, he had to be restrained by several law enforcement officials. Mulkey reported that Randleman was subsequently informed of Nevada Implied Consent, which grants law enforcement the right to forcibly test subjects suspected of DUI. Randleman resisted the test, according to Mulkey’s report, and a “force blood draw” was administered.

Randleman’s case has been assigned to the Screening Division inside the Clark County District Attorney’s Office and is being reviewed by Clark County Chief Deputy District Attorney Ronald Bloxham.


The former PRIDE Fighting Championships star is currently serving a one-year suspension under the Nevada State Athletic Commission for providing a false urine sample devoid of human hormones following his Oct. 2006 loss to Mauricio “Shogun” Rua at PRIDE 32 “The Real Deal” in Las Vegas. Randleman (16-12) has lost his last seven out of ten contests, earning his last victory in Oct. 2005.

Randleman’s attorney, James C. Gallo, of Las Vegas, declined comment.

Security footage: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WFf0-0lpogE

[Ravens1991]

That is sad to see Randleman was good.

[UKfan]

I'll never forget that Randleplex on Fedor, how Fedor recovered to win that match I will never know, he should have had a broken neck!

[Ravens1991]

Fedor is part robot, you didn't know that yet?

[UKfan]

Even a robot wouldn't survive that, he's something different altogether...

[ccB]

He's a cyborg sent from outter space. He shows no emotion, he shows no weakness, and he was built to kill! The only thing human Ive heard/seen about Fedor is that he has a pet turtle.

[Ravens1991]

You know Fedor does drink Napalm mixed with gasoline when he has a stomach ache.

[soybean]

can we just call him optimus prime?

[MaxV]

I'm very surprised by these charges.

[Ravens1991]

can we just call him optimus prime?

He is better then Optimus prime because he doesn't need to transform into a ass kicking machine he is a living one. Anti-bacterial soaps kill 99.9% of germs, Fedor kills 100% of what ever he wants to.

Frank Trigg said it best on Shockwave 2005

"In the USA there is some laboratory that has something in a test tube and it is trying to be able to beat Fedor" (a little bit of a paraphrase)

[MaxV]

I'll suck BIG-TIME if Fedor signs with another organization other then UFC.

I've heard K1 is pushing VERY hard for him and have offered him a sweet deal.

[Ravens1991]

same I hope it isn't so, UFC offered the best $ I heard but he wants to bring his friends over and Dana doesn't want that. Personally if I was Dana I would bring them over, then treat them like sacraficial lambs so they probably won't be in the league long and the UFC keeps Fedor. It will be a waste of the baddest thing on the face of the earth to have it not in the UFC.

[bwillie26]

I'll never forget that Randleplex on Fedor, how Fedor recovered to win that match I will never know, he should have had a broken neck!

Recover? Did it even faze him? It didn't look like it did.

[bwillie26]

Sorry. Double.

[soybean]

Recover? Did it even faze him? It didn't look like it did.

all i know is, if it were the rest of us, pretty sure we'd be dead.

[ccB]

all i know is, if it were the rest of us, pretty sure we'd be dead.

Exactly, hes learned how to take a fall on his head most of us would try to stop it or get in the wrong position and our necks would snap.

Also the only thing stopping Fedor from coming to the UFC is Dana needs to let him compete in Sambo tournaments still. Thats the only hold up from what I hear. Other than that he'd get the most money with the UFC and an instant title shot.

[reigle9]

Haven't been in here in a while. Is anyone in MMAplayground?

[Ravens1991]

Exactly, hes learned how to take a fall on his head most of us would try to stop it or get in the wrong position and our necks would snap.

Also the only thing stopping Fedor from coming to the UFC is Dana needs to let him compete in Sambo tournaments still. Thats the only hold up from what I hear. Other than that he'd get the most money with the UFC and an instant title shot.

I hope Dana lets him, Fedor is the premier fighter in MMA I hope he gets into now what the best league is.

[fenikz]

I want to see Couture vs Fedor, if anyone can beat him I have faith that The Natural can pull something out, that is my dream fight right there

[Ravens1991]

That fight would be way to much like Rocky 5. A old fighter who is good but out of his prime against a Russian who is part robot.

[nvot9]

Is anyone else pumped for this Gonzaga/Couture fight?

[reigle9]

For sure, watching the preview show on spike now.

[ccB]

Is anyone else pumped for this Gonzaga/Couture fight?

Defintely, Couture is one of my absolute favorites. Gonzaga is going to be a tough cookie though. I think Couture is going to have to wear him out and take the fight into the late rounds to grind out a win. For a 40+ year old Randy has amazing cardio.

I am also excited about the GSP vs Kos match, I am a huge GSP fan but I think he has too many mental/personal problems and I hate to say it but I think Kos will grind out a boring and unimpressive win.

[comahan]

CCB, have you heard Lesnar and all the crap hes talking?

[ccB]

CCB, have you heard Lesnar and all the crap hes talking?

Yes, I think its a gimmick to get Dana to sign him. Lesnar reminds me of the HW version of Josh Koscheck. Though his wrestling is elite he doesnt have the other skills necessary yet. He should follow the same path Koscheck has instead of going right at the top guys. Though I think he probably could beat Tim Sylvia like he says because Tim gets by on his sprawl and I think Lesnar could just power through that. I think Lesnar against someone like Big Nog would be a nightmare for Brock beacuse there is no way he has the submission defense skills yet necessary to win agianst a guy like Nog.

[nvot9]

Defintely, Couture is one of my absolute favorites. Gonzaga is going to be a tough cookie though. I think Couture is going to have to wear him out and take the fight into the late rounds to grind out a win. For a 40+ year old Randy has amazing cardio.

I am also excited about the GSP vs Kos match, I am a huge GSP fan but I think he has too many mental/personal problems and I hate to say it but I think Kos will grind out a boring and unimpressive win.

Yea, I'm almost more excited to see the GSP match, i want him to knock Kos on his ass.

Anyone know how much the price for the pay per view to that is?

EDIT* it's $40

[ccB]

Yea, I'm almost more excited to see the GSP match, i want him to knock Kos on his ass.

Anyone know how much the price for the pay per view to that is?

Most likely $39.95. But if you have good internet searching skills I am sure you can find it for about $39.95 cheaper than that.