MMA Discussion Thread - SPOILERS!

[Rob S]

I wanted to put a couple hundred bucks on Anthony Johnson tomorrow. Seems like a lot of people are riding him down especially now after the weight ins. I really think he knocks out Belfort. If you think Belfort will win, then I'm willing to do a sig bet.

BTW, just so it's on the record. I'm 0-11 all-time in sig bets on this site. Most of those come from Fenikz.

I will sig bet you.

Linkage, check pm.

[Rob S]

Also, wheel kick, bitches!

[Smash28Dash34]

I wanted to put a couple hundred bucks on Anthony Johnson tomorrow. Seems like a lot of people are riding him down especially now after the weight ins. I really think he knocks out Belfort. If you think Belfort will win, then I'm willing to do a sig bet.

BTW, just so it's on the record. I'm 0-11 all-time in sig bets on this site. Most of those come from Fenikz.

Your on for that sig bet. I got Vitor by TKO.

[Bosanac01]

What a sick KO, daaaaamn.

[Smash28Dash34]

Not often you see a wheel kick KO holy ****

[Bosanac01]

I will sig bet you.

Linkage, check pm.

Ok it's a done deal. We shook on it.

[Rob S]

Ok it's a done deal. We shook on it.

http://www.funsies.com/Images/Designs/ShakeHandsNotBabies.jpg

[Rob S]

I wanted to put a couple hundred bucks on Anthony Johnson tomorrow. Seems like a lot of people are riding him down especially now after the weight ins. I really think he knocks out Belfort. If you think Belfort will win, then I'm willing to do a sig bet.

BTW, just so it's on the record. I'm 0-11 all-time in sig bets on this site. Most of those come from Fenikz.

0-12, Bos. 0-12.

[E-Man]

That was sad to see Rumble like that. If he just kept his weight in control he could probably be a force, but he really doesn't deserve much sympathy for not taking his weight seriously. He might have been something for Vitor if he didn't come in so badly overweight too.

[Complex]

Rua GF or wife is hot

[Rob S]

Rua GF or wife is hot

Yup.

http://www3.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Mauricio+Rua+3rd+Annual+Fighters+Only+Mixed+HAw-0PpVF9il.jpg

[Bosanac01]

0-12, Bos. 0-12.

Ok well have fun requesting a sig for me.

[Rob S]

Ok well have fun requesting a sig for me.

I don't even know what to do.....

[E-Man]

Jose Aldo is such a beast. That knee was one of the quickest strikes I've ever seen in MMA.

[nepg]

Everything I wanted to happen last night, happened. Barboza and Aldo finally showed up huge, Erick Silva had another dominant performance (got DQ'd, but c'mon...), and Vitor beat dat ass after having some pressure put on him early.

The Vitor-Rumble fight was one of the most intense fights/environments for a fight that I've ever seen.

[MetSox17]

Rumble has been cut.

http://www.mmalinker.com/newsfeed/view/2960/Anthony_Johnson_released_from_UFC

[Bosanac01]

What a complete waste of potential.

[MetSox17]

Just saw that wheel kick. Man that was NASTY. Dude was frozen stiff, just wow.

[Smash28Dash34]

No surprise you get on Dana's bad side one too many times and your bound to get cut.

[josh07039]

We got a big fight coming up and we let the thread fall to the second page? What are we doing? I don't know who's gonna win, but Im rooting for Diaz all the way. Also, I suggest anyone looking for a stream try to look early, many sites have been shut down in the last few days. Everyone was distracted by SOPA and PIPA and they did so much **** anyhow.

[raiderz4life]

I'm rooting for Condit. **** Diaz

[josh07039]

I'm rooting for Condit. **** DiazThat is truly vitriolic. Out of curiosity, why such harsh feelings?

[raiderz4life]

That is truly vitriolic. Out of curiosity, why such harsh feelings?

Well, I've always been a Condit fan. But really the Diaz brothers and Jake Shields all rub me the wrong way. The Diaz bros. more than anyone. They just come off as gigantic douche bags.

[E-Man]

I think that Condit will take Diaz. Condit has a lot of tools to beat Diaz while I think Diaz' style of taking damage and dishing it out will hurt him tomorrow night. He gets tagged in every fight he's been in because he relies on his chin too much instead of blocking or moving his head. It works because his chin is ultra good and it allows him to get a ton of shots off. The problem with that is that Condit throws a ton of different strikes and has the cardio to keep it going for a while. B.J. didn't have the gas tank to keep up with Diaz. Neither did Daley and Cyborg. I think Diaz has better cardio, but Condit is good enough to keep going for 5 rounds. Plus his ground and pound it good enough to cause some major problems.

Of course Nick does wear guys down with his attacks. I think Condit is good enough to avoid subs, but that can happen too. I don't think either guy gets finished here. Both are too tough. I'm thinking a Condit decision in what should be an exciting fight.

[MetSox17]

raiderz, it's not that they come off as gigantic douchebags, it's that they in fact are gigantic douchebags.

[Complex]

So what site do you guys use now that the Feds took down firstrow?

[Rob S]

So what site do you guys use now that the Feds took down firstrow?

it still works. check pms.

[djp]

Want Condit to win, but I know Diaz is the favorite. Nothing to go off of if the fight goes 4-5 rounds for Condit.

[Rob S]

Want Condit to win, but I know Diaz is the favorite. Nothing to go off of if the fight goes 4-5 rounds for Condit.

Idk, I don't think Diaz is a huge favorite amongst MMA people. It is a total pick em' fight imo.

[Caddy]

So that head kick was just beautiful.

[josh07039]

raiderz, it's not that they come off as gigantic douchebags, it's that they in fact are gigantic douchebags.I gotta say that I used to feel the same way about Nick (Ive always been pretty apathetic about nate) but I feel like he is a bit of a dick, but he seems worse because of his lack of social skills, communication skills, and an overall anxiety/paranoia deal with the media. After hearing some of the stuff hes said in interviews and the countdown series recently, ive noticed that within his unintelligible rants, there are moments where he says something that makes you understand him more.

[MetSox17]

I've been at a family bbq, but i'm finally back home. What have i missed?

[MetSox17]

Holy **** Joe Rogan, put down the coke.

[josh07039]

Holy **** Joe Rogan, put down the coke.In a world where a boring asshole like Joe Buck who doesnt give a crap about what sport hes calling gets to do some big games for the MLB and NFL, its nice to have a guy as pumped about his job as Rogan is about MMA.

[Rob S]

I enjoy Rogan's commentary quite a bit. Especially when he is talking jitz.

[Rob S]

Also, Renan Barao is the man. We already knew that, but still.

[josh07039]

I enjoy Rogan's commentary quite a bit. Especially when he is talking jitz.I just started taking bjj about a month ago and there have been a few times when things rogan has said during commentary have occured to me while in class and they have been helpful. I really started to respect him after that. It is actually amazing how well he explains all the positions on the fly.

[FuzzyGopher]

Koscheck's best move is his eye poke. The dude does it in like every fight.

[Rob S]

UFC fans suck. I have no idea why they are booing.

[FuzzyGopher]

Rogan is a brown belt in BJJ, he knows his ****. He was also a national champion in Tae Kwan Do in several weight classes I believe. He's not just some dumb stoner comedian that stumbled into this job.

[Rob S]

Rogan was deciding between being a pro kickboxer or a stand up comic. He chose comedy because he figured at least he wouldnt get seriously ****** up if he failed at comedy.

[josh07039]

Rogan is a brown belt in BJJ, he knows his ****. He was also a national champion in Tae Kwan Do in several weight classes I believe. He's not just some dumb stoner comedian that stumbled into this job.I know how amazing he is, the thing is it just realizing that rogan had taught me bjj concepts just by listening to his commentary just kinda flicked a switch in my mind. I always respected rogan but wasnt a huge fan because some aspects of his personality bother me, but I just decided to choose to ignore all that from this point on.

[FuzzyGopher]

I know how amazing he is, the thing is it just realizing that rogan had taught me bjj concepts just by listening to his commentary just kinda flicked a switch in my mind. I always respected rogan but wasnt a huge fan because some aspects of his personality bother me, but I just decided to choose to ignore all that from this point on.

You should listen to some of Eddie Bravo's podcasts with Rogan if you want to hear about some in depth BJJ talk. Also checkout Eddie's youtube videos.

[FuzzyGopher]

I like Roy, but ****. The guy needs to do more than just stand there and get blasted in the face every fight.

[josh07039]

I like Roy, but ****. The guy needs to do more than just stand there and get blasted in the face every fight.Why do some guys not understand that only hendo can win with that strategy? Im always flabbergasted when a fighters whole strategy is to plod forward and look for a big right hand.

[Rob S]

Condit is fighting a fantastic fight imo. I'm very impressed. I have it 2-1.

[Rob S]

Sooooo impressed with Condit. 3-1. It's going to be awful when Diaz gets the UD.

[Complex]

Glad I didn't pay for 50 dollars for this. All Carlos does is Leg kick and run away. Joe Rogan loves leg kicks I swear.

[josh07039]

Sooooo impressed with Condit. 3-1. It's going to be awful when Diaz gets the UD.I have it 3-2 for Diaz but I really cant be sure.

[Rob S]

I have 3-2 for Condit. I guess I can't argue too much if Diaz wins....it is just so the prototypical ****** UFC decision.

[Rob S]

YEAH! They got it right! Thank God!

[josh07039]

I have 3-2 for Condit. I guess I can't argue too much if Diaz wins....it is just so the prototypical ****** UFC decision.I think that condit winning isnt a **** decision and if it had gone for Diaz well that would havebeen cool too.

[MetSox17]

Classy as always, Nick.

[josh07039]

Stay classy, Nick.Its crazy, but i understand his reaction based on his distorted perspective.

[Complex]

That was weak leg kicks and running away shouldn't win you a match. I know he landed other shots but most were leg kicks.

[Rob S]

I think that condit winning isnt a **** decision and if it had gone for Diaz well that would havebeen cool too.

Agreed. Condit had more rounds he clearly won though and I think he did what he wanted to do for 5 rounds sans the back mount. Diaz could have won, but he would have eeked it out and UFC judges tend to give the bigger name those decision, often with far too wide of scored. Props to the judges.

[FuzzyGopher]

Condit won on his feet the same way GSP wins on the ground. Play it safe, land some strikes and don't get into trouble. Props to him for the win but it was pretty boring to watch.

[Rob S]

That was weak leg kicks and running away shouldn't win you a match. I know he landed other shots but most were leg kicks.

Nick's face was trashed....are you kidding? Condit landed the cleaner shots and in a variety of ways......knees, kicks, punches were all on point. It doesn't matter that he was letting Nick come forward.....

[Complex]

Condit won on his feet the same way GSP wins on the ground. Play it safe, land some strikes and don't get into trouble. Props to him for the win but it was pretty boring to watch.

Can't wait till the GSP vs Condit fight and their amazing strategy. Neither of those guys attack.

[FuzzyGopher]

GSP will beat Condit and then Diaz will come out of "retirement" for a rematch.

[Rob S]

GSP-Condit will play out like every other GSP fight, but GSP may stop him.

[E-Man]

There was no way in hell Diaz could have won that fight. Condit outlanded him by a far margin. He barely got anything off in the first 4 rounds beyond a couple of spurts, but Condit was more active and landed well. He wasn't "running" he was just using great footwork to stay out of range of a sloppy boxer. Diaz just talks **** and people buy into it. He got outclassed there and exposed as being limited.

[MetSox17]

Diaz was gonna be pushing the pace the whole fight and Condit's camp knew this which is why they decided to just counter attack all night and let Diaz choke himself with his own strategy. I don't know why people are bitching at that, it was perfectly drawn up and perfectly executed.

[nepg]

Diaz was gonna be pushing the pace the whole fight and Condit's camp knew this which is why they decided to just counter attack all night and let Diaz choke himself with his own strategy. I don't know why people are bitching at that, it was perfectly drawn up and perfectly executed.
They're mad the guy they wanted to win lost and that they won't see GSP-Diaz. I wasn't fully paying attention to the fight live because I was running around doing stuff around the house, but Condit looked like he broke Nick in the 3rd & 4th rounds.

[nepg]

GSP-Condit will play out like every other GSP fight, but GSP may stop him.
GSP won't finish Condit. Just going to be a LnP snoozer as usual.

[Complex]

Nick's face was trashed....are you kidding? Condit landed the cleaner shots and in a variety of ways......knees, kicks, punches were all on point. It doesn't matter that he was letting Nick come forward.....

Sonnen face was more trashed than Silva's face. I am pretty sure most thought Sonnen was winning before the triangle.

[E-Man]

This pic is hilarious!
http://g.static.memegenerator.net/cache/instances/500x/13/13756/14086625.jpg

[Brent]

I feel like, if Roy Nelson would lose the fat, he would be pretty good. You know he could probably drop to 220.

[MetSox17]

This pic is hilarious!
http://g.static.memegenerator.net/cache/instances/500x/13/13756/14086625.jpg

They should put a scumbag steve hat on him.

[Caddy]

GSP-Condit will play out like every other GSP fight, but GSP may stop him.

If GSP didn't stop Dan Hardy, he will never stop anyone again.

[Rob S]

If GSP didn't stop Dan Hardy, he will never stop anyone again.

eh, I could see it. As long as he is healthy, he may have an "I'm back" kind of moment and pound him out for a stoppage.

[Caddy]

eh, I could see it. As long as he is healthy, he may have an "I'm back" kind of moment and pound him out for a stoppage.

I'd be shocked honestly, and I'm a pretty big GSP fan. Condit is a tough dude.

[josh07039]

Unless GSP isn't healthy, I cant imagine Condit beating him. All those kicks and spins are just going to lead to GSP putting Condit on his back. The reason I thought GSP might have a chance is because of how great he is off his back/ his standing offense doesn't involve kicks.

[nepg]

I feel like, if Roy Nelson would lose the fat, he would be pretty good. You know he could probably drop to 220.
He's an amazing grappler (Top 5 at HW) and has the most ridiculous chin in the history of the universe. ****** nearly choked out Fabricio ******* Werdum.

[Rob S]

I think Roy actually thinks his fat helps him as a grappler.

[Brent]

He's an amazing grappler (Top 5 at HW) and has the most ridiculous chin in the history of the universe. ****** nearly choked out Fabricio ******* Werdum.
If he dropped the weight, he'd be really good. Instead of me just watching a fattie get his face pummeled in.

[MetSox17]

Cabbage Correira might have something to say about Roy Nelson's chin.

[Bert Macklin]

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/6509/imagencpc.jpg

[Caddy]

Bleh I didn't really want this, although I guess it was nigh inevitable given the scrutiny the fight received and how long GSP is on the shelf.

[Bert Macklin]

Has more to do with the GSP shelf than anything.

[Caddy]

Has more to do with the GSP shelf than anything.

They could easily have put Condit in against another contender like Jake Ellenberger. I think it has way more to do with the fact that so many 'fans' were butt hurt that Condit won by 'running away'.

[Bert Macklin]

They could easily have put Condit in against another contender like Jake Ellenberger. I think it has way more to do with the fact that so many 'fans' were butt hurt that Condit won by 'running away'.

Well let's say Ellenberger wins and now he fights GSP? Wouldn't be as big a build up IMO. Especially when GSP said he'd give up his title to fight Diaz.

[Caddy]

Well let's say Ellenberger wins and now he fights GSP? Wouldn't be as big a build up IMO. Especially when GSP said he'd give up his title to fight Diaz.

The only way there is buzz leading up to GSP's return is if it's against Diaz. I don't think he deserves the rematch, but I understand why it's happening. Diaz v GSP would bring in a lot more viewers than GSP v Condit.

[josh07039]

The only way there is buzz leading up to GSP's return is if it's against Diaz. I don't think he deserves the rematch, but I understand why it's happening. Diaz v GSP would bring in a lot more viewers than GSP v Condit.There are some weird rumblings that something out of the Diaz camp is going to torpedo the rematch. There are no facts, but I assume it may be drug related (Complete speculation given his past). I hope I'm wrong and I hope the reports prove to be wrong. I still think Diaz won rounds 1,2 and 5. Whether you believe Condit won or not, which I have no problem with given how close it was, you can't deny that the way the judges scored the fight was nonsense given that none of them agreed who won what rounds.

[ryno626]

Diaz fails whiz quiz (http://www.mmaweekly.com/nick-diaz-tests-positive-following-ufc-143)

[Caddy]

Nick Diaz is a moron.

[Bert Macklin]

Well thanks to Diaz they now have no marketable fights in the WW division.

[djp]

Wonder why weed is banned, anyways. Not like it's a performance enhancer, but whatever. That's another story for another day. I bet Dana White is absolutely furious that he has to stick someone else against Condit or wait until GSP returns.

[Bert Macklin]

Wonder why weed is banned, anyways. Not like it's a performance enhancer, but whatever. That's another story for another day. I bet Dana White is absolutely furious that he has to stick someone else against Condit or wait until GSP returns.

Diaz even has a legit script in Cali but not in Nevada.

[MetSox17]

I mean, technically, couldn't he still fight under another state's athletic commission? Or in Brazil..

[Caddy]

I hope Diaz doesn't get his match in a different state or country, he just doesn't deserve it. If you are getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for a fight, how hard is it to lay off the weed for a while.

[josh07039]

I hope Diaz doesn't get his match in a different state or country, he just doesn't deserve it. If you are getting paid hundreds of thousands of dollars for a fight, how hard is it to lay off the weed for a while.The UFC already said they wont do that. Whether they would like to or not, Dana recognizes the PR nightmare that comes with that. Their policy has always been to honor the commission's ruling even in locations not under a governing body. And when they are in Brazil or England or wherever, they will use Nevada's rules under that dude who was before Kizer in Nevada.

[Caddy]

The UFC already said they wont do that. Whether they would like to or not, Dana recognizes the PR nightmare that comes with that. Their policy has always been to honor the commission's ruling even in locations not under a governing body. And when they are in Brazil or England or wherever, they will use Nevada's rules under that dude who was before Kizer in Nevada.

Sounds like sound policy to me. Should be interesting to see what White/Silva comes up with now. I don't really think there are any possible matchups that involve Condit that would sell PPVs.

[josh07039]

Sounds like sound policy to me. Should be interesting to see what White/Silva comes up with now. I don't really think there are any possible matchups that involve Condit that would sell PPVs.Thats why I feel like theyll just pay condit more to do it on fox or fx if they need to find a spot for him. I actually think it would be a good idea to put him on a Fox card hoping that something cool happens to hype the fight with GSP. Im not really sure who they could have him fight though. I guess Ellenberger, Hendricks, or Diegoif he beats Ellenberger. ( I dont think he's really a contender but hed have three strong wins in a row and it would be an action fight with a name guy)

[nepg]

This is a fight that doesn't need a rematch. They're only doing it because they don't want to lose Diaz-GSP and they see a second chance at making that happen.

[Bert Macklin]

Keep an eye on my boy Dustin Poirier may 15th in Virginia. Heard he's fighting the Korean Zombie.

[djp]

been playing UFC 3 a bunch since it came out yesterday. Career Mode is infinitely better and less stale. The game is just much, much better. Amazing what a longer development cycle lets you do. There's still some things I don't like, but this game is miles, miles ahead of where it was last time.

[josh07039]

been playing UFC 3 a bunch since it came out yesterday. Career Mode is infinitely better and less stale. The game is just much, much better. Amazing what a longer development cycle lets you do. There's still some things I don't like, but this game is miles, miles ahead of where it was last time.I regret pre-ordering for delivery instead of pickup. I could be playing it this very second. Can wait after playing the demo and hearing about the career mode not being a huge pain in the ass this time.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Why the hell was Diego vs Ellenberger not a 5 rounder? what a damn shame would have been an awesome championship rounds.

[jayceheathman]

I regret pre-ordering for delivery instead of pickup. I could be playing it this very second. Can wait after playing the demo and hearing about the career mode not being a huge pain in the ass this time.

I suck at career mode so far. It is getting frustrating.

[josh07039]

I suck at career mode so far. It is getting frustrating.Is it possible that you are the worst person in the history of humanity? That could be the problem if that is the case.

[nepg]

Why the hell was Diego vs Ellenberger not a 5 rounder? what a damn shame would have been an awesome championship rounds.
Both were tired and I don't think either's face could have taken any more damage.

[jayceheathman]

Is it possible that you are the worst person in the history of humanity? That could be the problem if that is the case.

I knew there was some reason behind me being awful at the game so far.

[josh07039]

I knew there was some reason behind me being awful at the game so far.Glad I could help. The game finally came in the mail for me today so Ill see how terrible a person I am as well based on my inability to play the game with the proper amount of skill.

[Bert Macklin]

Dana said after the Ellenberger fight all future main events regardless of being for a title will be 5 rounds.

[Rob S]

Dana said after the Ellenberger fight all future main events regardless of being for a title will be 5 rounds.

This is good news imo.

[Caddy]

I thought he has already said that before. I'd be confident in saying it isn't the last 3 round main event we've seen.

[jayceheathman]

Glad I could help. The game finally came in the mail for me today so Ill see how terrible a person I am as well based on my inability to play the game with the proper amount of skill.

So did you end up being a horrible person as well?

[josh07039]

So did you end up being a horrible person as well?I've only done one fight in career mode and I won it pretty easily. Ive mostly done title mode and random exhibitions to try out a lot of fighters. I haven't been losing much, but I do have a very hard time maintaining a position/ blocking transitions, stopping takedowns, sweeps, and standup defense. My first loss, was in title mode as Nick Diaz against Josh Koshceck. He just kept taking me down and punching my face.

I have found the most effective weapon for me to be knees to the body from side control. After a few, the body is completely destroyed and the opponent often lowers his hands to defend his torso more often, opening up for the knockout.

Despite my modest success in Undisputed, I don't need no video game to tell me that I'm a horrible person.

[Complex]

UFC ring girl Brittney Palmer playboy pics are out. FYI.

[djp]

I suck at career mode so far. It is getting frustrating.

You suck at the drills, or fighting? Only 2 drills I have problems with are the Tire Flip and the Focus Mitts. The latter seems particularly impossible as you have to react almost instantly after they tell you what they want you to do.

[josh07039]

UFC ring girl Brittney Palmer playboy pics are out. FYI.I saw them and found them really disappointing. Shes really hot and the pictures were terrible but I got to see her nipples so I accepted it.

[jayceheathman]

You suck at the drills, or fighting? Only 2 drills I have problems with are the Tire Flip and the Focus Mitts. The latter seems particularly impossible as you have to react almost instantly after they tell you what they want you to do.

I sucked at both for the longest time. I am slowly starting to get the hang of the drills and the fighting. I suck at blocking transitions as well. They will take me down and I will try to referse into a submission. They will get out of it and then jump right back on top of me again. Eventually they will succeed at knocking me out or submitting me.

[josh07039]

I sucked at both for the longest time. I am slowly starting to get the hang of the drills and the fighting. I suck at blocking transitions as well. They will take me down and I will try to referse into a submission. They will get out of it and then jump right back on top of me again. Eventually they will succeed at knocking me out or submitting me.Right now I am running through mofos on title mode with Don Frye on expert. I think I am a better person than thou.

[jayceheathman]

Right now I am running through mofos on title mode with Don Frye on expert. I think I am a better person than thou.

I am doing career mode and if the guy gets me in the clinch or on the ground I lose every time. I had 6 submission attempts that weren't even close that he got out of. Then I either try to keep him close and hope the ref stands us up or try to block a transition and get KO'ed. If we stay standing up then I can win.

[Caddy]

I don't have the game yet, but based on the demo, I hated the new submission system.

[Bosanac01]

I just wish the changed the submission from having to rotate the D-pad. I hate that ****.

[djp]

I am doing career mode and if the guy gets me in the clinch or on the ground I lose every time. I had 6 submission attempts that weren't even close that he got out of. Then I either try to keep him close and hope the ref stands us up or try to block a transition and get KO'ed. If we stay standing up then I can win.

What difficulty are you playing on? Try not to spam the transitions on the higher difficulties. You can also hold R1 (or RB on 360) and move around to sway on the ground to try to avoid GnP KO's. As far as submissions go, they are much more effective when the other fighter is tired or rocked. Try to work the body more if you want to submit people without rocking them, or level up the subs you have. One more thing, submission success goes up a lot if you are in good position, so instead of going for an ankle/toe lock in full guard, try to get to side control, mount, or my favorite north/south. N/S choke is really effective IMO.

[jayceheathman]

What difficulty are you playing on? Try not to spam the transitions on the higher difficulties. You can also hold R1 (or RB on 360) and move around to sway on the ground to try to avoid GnP KO's. As far as submissions go, they are much more effective when the other fighter is tired or rocked. Try to work the body more if you want to submit people without rocking them, or level up the subs you have. One more thing, submission success goes up a lot if you are in good position, so instead of going for an ankle/toe lock in full guard, try to get to side control, mount, or my favorite north/south. N/S choke is really effective IMO.

I am playing advanced which probably isn't a good idea for someone that hasn't played any of the other UFC games. The game recommended that option after I fought the sparing partner so I went with it. When I am in the clinch I can rarely block his upper cuts through transitions even though I am moving the joystick in the way it showed in training.

[josh07039]

I truly dont understand the judges in the game. I was playing as Don Frye Vs Cheick Kongo. I clearly felt i wont the fight and the stats backed it up yet he won a 29-28 unanimous decision.

Stats-Comp First-Then Mine

Punches landed- 56-36
Kick Knees landed- 31-27
Takedowns gained-1-8
Transitions Performed-27-62
Dominant Positions-20-33
I was knocked down once and I attempted four submissions.

My fights are typical pretty wild where positions are changing pretty regularly. Not sure if that is the case for everyone, but I have yet to fully get the concept of maintaining positions yet because my opponents typically complete all their transitions and I rarely get a reversal.

[djp]

I truly dont understand the judges in the game. I was playing as Don Frye Vs Cheick Kongo. I clearly felt i wont the fight and the stats backed it up yet he won a 29-28 unanimous decision.

Stats-Comp First-Then Mine

Punches landed- 56-36
Kick Knees landed- 31-27
Takedowns gained-1-8
Transitions Performed-27-62
Dominant Positions-20-33
I was knocked down once and I attempted four submissions.

My fights are typical pretty wild where positions are changing pretty regularly. Not sure if that is the case for everyone, but I have yet to fully get the concept of maintaining positions yet because my opponents typically complete all their transitions and I rarely get a reversal.

What were the percentages for head/body/legs, or do you not remember? (the body outline that turns red as you hit them in certain spots) Seems to me, after having maybe 15 fights go to the judges, you get bonuses for knockdowns/reversals, and then the other part of the equation is the amount of actual damage done. I've had one ridiculous draw called that I clearly lost, but the rest have been pretty realistic IMO

[djp]

I am playing advanced which probably isn't a good idea for someone that hasn't played any of the other UFC games. The game recommended that option after I fought the sparing partner so I went with it. When I am in the clinch I can rarely block his upper cuts through transitions even though I am moving the joystick in the way it showed in training.

You should DEFINITELY try experienced. I'm playing on Advanced, and I've played all the Undisputed games, and I'm having a hell of a time against the computer when the AI has good ratings. I played a few on experienced, and it's significantly easier, particularly with reversals/transitions/submissions.

[josh07039]

What were the percentages for head/body/legs, or do you not remember? (the body outline that turns red as you hit them in certain spots) Seems to me, after having maybe 15 fights go to the judges, you get bonuses for knockdowns/reversals, and then the other part of the equation is the amount of actual damage done. I've had one ridiculous draw called that I clearly lost, but the rest have been pretty realistic IMOIll have to keep an eye out for damage in the future, but that ssems like it owuld make more sense, he probably damaged my head more while I was working for the clinch at all costs. He was lighting me up on the feet for the most part, but Im pretty sure I punished his body a good amount while in a thai clinch and on the ground.

Responding to your comment below this one. What is the order of the difficulties (advanced, experienced, etc) I forget what the names are and i dont feel like turning my system on.

[djp]

Ill have to keep an eye out for damage in the future, but that ssems like it owuld make more sense, he probably damaged my head more while I was working for the clinch at all costs. He was lighting me up on the feet for the most part, but Im pretty sure I punished his body a good amount while in a thai clinch and on the ground.

Responding to your comment below this one. What is the order of the difficulties (advanced, experienced, etc) I forget what the names are and i dont feel like turning my system on.

Without turning my system on, it goes

Beginner > Experienced > Advanced > Expert > Ultimate

Ultimate is only available after you finish a career mode on Expert. There's also the option of default or simulation energy, where default is the regular setting and Simulation is much more draining on your stamina to throw punches/kicks/transition/attempt takedowns. Simulation is supposed to be a "real UFC sim"

[josh07039]

Without turning my system on, it goes

Beginner > Experienced > Advanced > Expert > Ultimate

Ultimate is only available after you finish a career mode on Expert. There's also the option of default or simulation energy, where default is the regular setting and Simulation is much more draining on your stamina to throw punches/kicks/transition/attempt takedowns. Simulation is supposed to be a "real UFC sim"Ive been playing on Advanced and I definitely am finding it challenging but not impossible. I feel like it is perfectly reasonable setting where I can still have success but also be challenged. Once I get a bit better at figuring out how to block transitions and develop more nuanced striking I'm gonna try out online play to see if I'm even average, which I strongly doubt.

For Jaycheatman, definitely bump down a level. Advanced is a significant leg up from experienced, especially on the ground. I found myself doing whatever I wanted on the ground on experienced but I am getting blocked and reversed much more now that I moved up. The big thing with the ground game seems to be using both sticks in tandem, the one for posture and the other for transitions and blocks. You cant focus too much on one or the other or else you will get hugged or put back in guard/pushed off.

[jayceheathman]

Ive been playing on Advanced and I definitely am finding it challenging but not impossible. I feel like it is perfectly reasonable setting where I can still have success but also be challenged. Once I get a bit better at figuring out how to block transitions and develop more nuanced striking I'm gonna try out online play to see if I'm even average, which I strongly doubt.

For Jaycheatman, definitely bump down a level. Advanced is a significant leg up from experienced, especially on the ground. I found myself doing whatever I wanted on the ground on experienced but I am getting blocked and reversed much more now that I moved up. The big thing with the ground game seems to be using both sticks in tandem, the one for posture and the other for transitions and blocks. You cant focus too much on one or the other or else you will get hugged or put back in guard/pushed off.

I will try that when I create another fighter. I don't think you can go back and change the difficulty in career mode can you? I will try using both sticks and see what happens. My problem is that the second I try to block a transition or grab on to the fighter while I am on my back is when he just punches me in the face until I go back to covering up. Then I am stuck doing that and lose the round. My other problem is if I get a reversal for a submission, he will get out of it and then push me right back on my back and do it all over again. I don't mind that he gets out of it since I don't have great position, but it would be nice to have a chance to get a dominant position for once rather than him just jumping right back on top.

[josh07039]

I will try that when I create another fighter. I don't think you can go back and change the difficulty in career mode can you? I will try using both sticks and see what happens. My problem is that the second I try to block a transition or grab on to the fighter while I am on my back is when he just punches me in the face until I go back to covering up. Then I am stuck doing that and lose the round. My other problem is if I get a reversal for a submission, he will get out of it and then push me right back on my back and do it all over again. I don't mind that he gets out of it since I don't have great position, but it would be nice to have a chance to get a dominant position for once rather than him just jumping right back on top.this isn't meant to be bragging or an insult, but it kinda hard for me to be more specific on how I deal with the ground game because, for whatever reason, I have a very easy time getting to mount pretty much whenever I want to when its against someone to isnt insanely stronger or a significantly better grappler. I honestly have much more trouble on the feet. I think you should try to not go for submissions as much so you have less of a chance of being put in a bad position. Only go for them when you are in a dominant position or your oponent is really tired/stunned/damaged. Focus on posturing up and maintaining position with both sticks and ground and pound only when you are postured up. I know this has a negative connotation, but be more safe with positioning like Jon Fitch rather than crazy aggressive, constant punching like Chael Sonnen. Like in life, more aggressiveness can provide more openings for counters.

[josh07039]

******** judging happened again. I was sonnen vs Leben. The fight was a hard fought battle with him getting the best on the feet even though I landed some good shots and me smashing him up on the ground with him having only very limited moments.

Stats-Comp First-Then Mine

Punches landed- 52-52 (both out of 92)
Kick Knees landed- 8-7
Takedowns gained--1-9
Transitions Performed-36-63
Dominant Positions-24-34

I got knocked down 3 times, he got rocked 1 and I attempted 2 subs.

As for damage
Comp first, then me
Head-78-74
Body-20-3
Arms (total)-22-4
Legs- nonexistent for both.

The weirdest part is that in this fight as well as my other robbery, my fighter celebrated and then lost a unanimous decision.

[Bert Macklin]

******** judging happened again. I was sonnen vs Leben. The fight was a hard fought battle with him getting the best on the feet even though I landed some good shots and me smashing him up on the ground with him having only very limited moments.

Stats-Comp First-Then Mine

Punches landed- 52-52 (both out of 92)
Kick Knees landed- 8-7
Takedowns gained--1-9
Transitions Performed-36-63
Dominant Positions-24-34

I got knocked down 3 times, he got rocked 1 and I attempted 2 subs.

As for damage
Comp first, then me
Head-78-74
Body-20-3
Arms (total)-22-4
Legs- nonexistent for both.

The weirdest part is that in this fight as well as my other robbery, my fighter celebrated and then lost a unanimous decision.That's just random. Like when the other team makes a first down in madden and my bench is cheering.

[Bert Macklin]

Seriously **** this game. Doing title defense mode I need to do 25 in a row get to 24 then wandy 1 punch kos me the first 5 seconds on the 25th fight?

No exaggeration one punch ko first 5 seconds.

[jayceheathman]

this isn't meant to be bragging or an insult, but it kinda hard for me to be more specific on how I deal with the ground game because, for whatever reason, I have a very easy time getting to mount pretty much whenever I want to when its against someone to isnt insanely stronger or a significantly better grappler. I honestly have much more trouble on the feet. I think you should try to not go for submissions as much so you have less of a chance of being put in a bad position. Only go for them when you are in a dominant position or your oponent is really tired/stunned/damaged. Focus on posturing up and maintaining position with both sticks and ground and pound only when you are postured up. I know this has a negative connotation, but be more safe with positioning like Jon Fitch rather than crazy aggressive, constant punching like Chael Sonnen. Like in life, more aggressiveness can provide more openings for counters.

My problem is mostly getting position because I always get blocked in my transitions. That leaves me to cover up or go for an arm bar while on the bottom. Every time I try to get better position he punches me in the face when I stop covering up. A couple of times of that and he KO's me.

[jayceheathman]

Using both joysticks helped a lot to avoid getting uppercut while in the clinch. I was able to get out of it pretty quickly.

[nepg]

Rampage better come out to Pride theme tonight. Otherwise, giant disappoint.

[Bert Macklin]

That was a sick triangle to arm bar switch.

[LTgiants]

Showtime! Lauzon got rocked by that head kick.

[josh07039]

Bader looked a million times better than ever tonight. His cardio looked better than ever, he mixed striking and takedowns and looks like he might have found better trainers. I dont think hell ever be good enough for Jones, but he definitley looks tons better.

[UKfan]

Bader looked a million times better than ever tonight. His cardio looked better than ever, he mixed striking and takedowns and looks like he might have found better trainers. I dont think hell ever be good enough for Jones, but he definitley looks tons better.

Helps that Rampage only showed up to go to Japan and get himself paiiiiid.

[Bert Macklin]

Helps that Rampage only showed up to go to Japan and get himself paiiiiid.

Half of which was taken away for missing weight.

[E-Man]

I love the lightweight division. So many great matches, and there are so many different people who could realistically be contenders. Bendo has been on a great tear, so he's definitely making a great name for himself now. I thought that fight was really close that it could go either way, but I think Bendo rightfully won the fight. He and Edgar were the lightweights with the best streaks, and they really showed it. It really sucks donkey balls that Gil Melendez is trapped in Strikeforce.

I don't want Edgar to drop to 155. He could win a few fights and come back and win the belt again. It's not like it would be crazy to see him do so.

[djp]

I certainly thought Henderson won the fight, I can't believe Dana White said he thought Edgar won.

[Brent]

Boetsch makes me want to lift weights again.

[raiderz4life]

Just saw Ben vs Frankie and idk...I think Ben took that pretty clearly.

[Bert Macklin]

Now that it's over we get Evans vs Jones

Jones gonna whoop dat ass.

[Bert Macklin]

UFC on FX starting right now.

[fenikz]

I hope I heard this right, is this dudes nickname Uncle Creepy?

[Bert Macklin]

Love me some "Uncle Creepy" stache

http://mmajunkie.com/dyn/images/fighters/ian-mccall.jpg

[fenikz]

Sucks that he is fighting mighty mouse or I'd root for him

[Bert Macklin]

This is a tough fight to score.

[Bert Macklin]

Wow that fight should have been stopped. Mighty mouse didn't improve his position the last 30 seconds just got pounded.

[fenikz]

I'll go Uncle Creepy 29-27

[fenikz]

That's terrible

[Bert Macklin]

Can't believe Johnson got the win.

[josh07039]

He seems like a really nice guy and hes a pretty exciting fighter, but I hate Johnson for the gift decisions he gets for being fast. His decision over Torres was nonsense even through it wasnt unexpected and I thought Rounds 1 and 3 were clearly for Mccall and probably should have been stopped. I dont care if Johnson was giving the thumbs up, the official should not take a fighters gesture into account because the officials are there to protect the fighters from their opponents and themselves. I dont know that he did that, just saying his justification for why the fight shouldn't have been stopped was nonsense.

[Bert Macklin]

Holy **** that was cray.

[Bert Macklin]

Just read the judges ****** up the scorecard and the Johnson-Creepy fight was a draw. Rematch in April.

[Bert Macklin]

Dana White was pissed to say the least.

SYDNEY - It was a mistake so odd, even UFC president Dana White was left speechless (well, relatively).

At the conclusion of this weekend's UFC on FX 2 event in Sydney, Craig Waller, the executive director of the Combat Sports Authority of New South Wales, let White in on an important piece of information: He had miscalculated the scores of the flyweight tournament bout between Demetrious Johnson (14-2-1 MMA, 2-1-1 UFC) and Ian McCall (11-2-1 MMA, 0-0-1 UFC).

While the two involved combatants dealt with obviously different emotions, White's demeanor was clear as day. If you think he's happy that maybe a little controversy will help sell a rematch, think again.

"There is nothing positive about that result," White told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com). "I would rather have ended it tonight. We had two badass fights that everybody loved that would have led into the title fight. That would have been best-case scenario."

UFC on FX 2 took place Saturday at Sydney's Allphones Arena. With the time difference, the night's main card aired live Friday night in the U.S. on FX.

Johnson and McCall fought through two closely contested opening rounds. In the third, "Uncle Creepy" took full control of the action, earning enough damage in the frame to score what some observers believe was a 10-8 round. Therein lied the problem.

When the scores were tallied, Johnson was declared the winner. In-cage announcer Bruce Buffer announced the result as a majority decision but proceeded to read split-decision results of 29-28, 28-29 and 29-28 in favor of Johnson. A disappointed McCall stormed out of the octagon, and Johnson accepted the win.

Unfortunately, there was a minor problem. Judge Sal D'Amato, who had given Johnson the opening two rounds with 10-9 marks, gave McCall the third with a 10-8 score, which should have resulted in 28-28 total. With Anthony Dimitriou issuing a 29-29 score and Kon Papai awarding Johnson the fight 29-28, the fight should have been a majority draw, which under the special rules in place for the fight would have resulted in a fourth, sudden-victory round.

But when transferring the scores issued by the judges to the tabulating sheets, Waller accidentally recorded a 10-9 round in McCall's favor on D'Amato's card. That meant D'Amatos' total was incorrectly announced as 29-28 for Johnson, giving "Mighty Mouse" a majority decision.

"It was a bit of an unfortunate situation," Waller said. "I take full responsibility for what happened."

"The fight should have been a majority draw. We should have gone to a fourth round. I sincerely apologize to both fighters, to Dana, and to every single fan of the UFC."

Waller also made it very clear that while it was D'Amato's scoring total that was miscalculated, it was he (as the official in charge of transferring and tabulating the totals) who made the mistake, not the judge.

"Sal wasn't the one that made the error," Waller said. "It was my error."

White, who said he wasn't told about the error until after the entire show was over, couldn't believe the mistake.

"As soon as the show ended, they came over and told me," White said. "After the card was done, they came up to me, and I said, 'You've got to be [expletive] me. How is this possible?'"

The situation isn't entirely unprecedented. White, himself, dealt with such a situation way back at 2003's UFC 41 event, when Matt Serra was awarded a unanimous-decision win over Din Thomas, only for the result to be reversed after the fight when it was determined judge Doc Hamilton had transposed his scores in the final round.

"When the commission adds the totals wrong, I don't know how you beat that one, other than if I would have had to go in and tell 'Mighty Mouse' that he lost," White said. "That would have been worse. I've done that before."

McCall, of course, was happy with the call. After all, he'll now get a second shot at booking a future meeting against Joseph Benavidez with the UFC's first-ever flyweight title on the line.

Johnson is a little more disappointed, but he's hardly bitter. In fact, White said he was more than impressed with how "Mighty Mouse" handled the news.

"He couldn't have been better," White said. "He couldn't have been classier - as classy as classy can be."

Regardless of the emotions, Johnson and McCall did both receive their win bonuses in addition to the night's "Fight of the Night" award, according to White. They'll also get a rematch, which means another paycheck. But Benavidez will be forced to the sidelines following the majority draw result while he waits for the rematch to unfold (and hopes the winner emerges uninjured).

But if you think he's bitter, think again. Benavidez also flashed admirable class in dealing with the bizarre situation.

"My initial thought is I'm pretty excited to see that fight again," Benavidez said. "It was awesome. When it ended, that's what I felt. I was like, 'That could be a draw. That could be a split. You just never know.'

It was a great fight, and it's awesome they get to do it again because I think it was a draw. I'm just excited to fight whoever comes out on top in that one because they will be the next best flyweight, and we'll battle for the first-ever title."

So maybe, in some odd way, the strange error could prove beneficial. After all, a little controversy never hurt anyone trying to sell a fight, and the division that didn't exist before this week suddenly has a very compelling stroyline.

Except White's not buying that idea.

"Imagine if they would have come out and said, 'This is going to a fourth round,'" White said. "The crowd would have went crazy. People at home would have went crazy. It would have been an incredible atmosphere and an incredible moment.

"There's nothing good about this, but what can you do? The commission owned up to it, apologized for it, and all we can do is move on."

For more on UFC on FX 2, stay tuned to the UFC Events section of the site.

[Bert Macklin]

Former LSU Fullback Shawn Jordan's UFC debut from last night. Never have I seen a guy come out or a high five after an exchange like they had in the first round lol

http://www.fight4free.com/2012/03/oli-thompson-vs-shawn-jordan-fight.html

[Smash28Dash34]

That transition by Kampman into the armbar was incredible.

[Bert Macklin]

That transition by Kampman into the armbar was incredible.

You mean the guillotine?

[UKfan]

Anyone watch Tate vs Rousey? All I can say is that ending was gnarly!

[Bert Macklin]

Just watched it Tate's escape from the first armbar was awesome. The one that finished it was nasty.

[UKfan]

I thought she was gonna tap on the first one, serious guts and heart, that second one though was just brutal. Gutsy of Tate to not tap, the guy I felt for was the ref though, he must have wanted to step in when her arm was going the wrong way!

[E-Man]

Anyone watching TUF this season? I found it funny how Cruz picked his guy, then asked Faber to pick who he thinks will beat him. Faber was pretty dumbfounded, but that's a little understandable since he probably didn't process who could beat the guy. What surprised me is how no one stepped up to the challenge when he asked who wanted the fight. I figured there would at least be one guy jumping at the challenge saying that they're a warrior who doesn't back down from a challenge.

[nepg]

No one wanted to fight that guy because he's the favorite to win the show. Dude is nasty. Really not sure how I feel about the best two fighters on the show fighting in the second real episode...

[E-Man]

I know Lawrence is a big prospect, but there is usually at least one guy that's all "HELL YEAH I'D FIGHT!" Ya know, the Ross Pointon type guy with limited skills but a lot of heart.

[E-Man]

Oh Overeem.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/28109/alistair-overeem-fails-pre-fight-drug-test-likely-out-of-ufc-146-title-fight.mma

Alistair Overeem (36-11 MMA, 1-0 UFC) is unlikely to fight champion Junior Dos Santos (14-1 MMA, 8-0 UFC) for the UFC heavyweight title this summer at UFC 146.

Nevada State Athletic Commission Executive Director Keith Kizer today told MMAjunkie.com (www.mmajunkie.com) the No. 1 heavyweight contender failed a pre-fight drug test conducted this past Tuesday following a press conference for UFC 146.

Overeem's "A" sample was flagged for an elevated T/E ratio that exeeded 10-to-1, well over the 6-to-1 limit. Kizer said the heavyweight has the right to request the test's "B" sample, which, if negative, would make him eligible to receive a fight license.

The former Strikeforce champion was among six top-billed fighters who were tested for the all-heavyweight pay-per-view event, which takes place May 26 at MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. All were tested for diuretics, masking agents, anabolic steroids and T/E ratios in addition to drugs of abuse.

Dos Santos, Frank Mir, Cain Velasquez, Roy Nelson and Antonio Silva all passed their tests.

It's not the first time Overeem has run afoul of the NSAC. He was granted a conditional license to fight Brock Lesnar at UFC 141 after missing a pre-fight drug test ordered by the commission, which reinstated out-of-competition testing this past July.

Answering to the commission via telephone during an NSAC hearing held three weeks prior to UFC 141, Overeem said he missed the test because he had flown back to his native Holland to care for his ailing mother and wasn't made aware of the obligation. When he got word, he submitted an invalid blood test conducted by his personal doctor and then submitted urine that wasn't tested.

The NSAC gave him a license on the condition that he submit to a drug test conducted by an accredited laboratory, which he did two days later (and subsequently passed), as well as pass a drug test upon arriving in the U.S. for the Lesnar fight and submit to two random tests.

This past Tuesday's test served as one of those random tests, which also followed a fight-night test at UFC 141.

Because Overeem's conditional license expired on Dec. 31, the NSAC will not receive a disciplinary complaint against him as it does for licensed athletes. Instead, he will need to appear before the commission should he choose to apply for a license, which notably, hadn't been filed for UFC 146.

With one half of May 26's event on the shelf, the UFC may give one of the main-card heavyweights an impromptu title shot.

[Caddy]

I know Lawrence is a big prospect, but there is usually at least one guy that's all "HELL YEAH I'D FIGHT!" Ya know, the Ross Pointon type guy with limited skills but a lot of heart.

I'm glad we got a Ross Pointon reference in here.

[josh07039]

Oh Overeem.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/28109/alistair-overeem-fails-pre-fight-drug-test-likely-out-of-ufc-146-title-fight.mmaWhen I saw it I was pretty unhappy about it because Im a big Reem fan and that fight was going to be awesome, but anyone who was surprised by this positive is pretty stupid. Ive defended Overeem to an extent because I don't find his physique impossible given his genetics and profession, but Ive always assumed that hes likely on something.

I wonder how the UFC is going to handle this overall in terms of revamping steroid testing and such. If they lose a few more big fights that they have promoted for a long time to suspensions, the UFC might need to get serious on this and institute their own private, random testing. I seriously doubt the UFC wants to do that at this point, but I can't even imagine how many millions they will lose on this fight alone.

[Smash28Dash34]

The HW division just lost two of their biggest draws in lesnar and overeem.

[josh07039]

I wanted to bring this thread back to the front page because we have had such a huge gap between events and now the UFC is back with the Fuel event today and Rashasd Jones next weekend. However, Im not posting about that. I just wanted to point out an interesting story i saw about Nick Diaz' supsension.


http://middleeasy.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7748:nick-diazs-attorney-demands-nsac-hearing-april-24th-or-the-suspension-is-bogus&catid=34:organizations

After seeing that, I thought that Diaz' lawyer is just a bit crazy about how aggressive he is being in dealing with a governing body as whiny as the NSAC. Then I looked up his lawyer, Ross C. Goodman on wikipedia. He is a straight boss. I didn't realize how many high profile cases he had won. I wonder if Diaz might have a chance at getting his suspension shortened. Realistically I doubt it because I assume they have it in for Diaz.

While I am insulting the NSAC for their general attitude, I will say they did a great job in instituting random tests and as much as it pains me to see him caught, I'm glad they caught Overeem in the overall sense of cleaning the sport up.

[Dr. Gonzo]

The whole Nick Diaz thing is hilarious. "HE TOTALLY FOUGHT HIGH GUYZ! DATS CHEATING!'

[josh07039]

The whole Nick Diaz thing is hilarious. "HE TOTALLY FOUGHT HIGH GUYZ! DATS CHEATING!' The funniest part is that it seems like the results prove that he wasnt high during the fight, but that he had smoked. They didnt find the active marijuana they found metabolites that according to medical experts i heard on assorted mma sites would indicate he stop smoking over a week before the fight.

As for yesterday's event. Firstly, I really liked afternoon mma. I would greatly enjoy more events overseas that start in the afternoon. I understand that MMA and the UFC like the idea of a fight night where people congregate at bars, but this was enjoyable like watching a Saturday baseball game.

Secondly, Gustafsson should not be fighting for the title next and should not be remotely compared to Jon Jones. They are completely different fighters and personally I think either Jones or Rashad would crush him at this point. He hasn't fought any guy that is a top ten fighter at the time of the fight. He looks great, but have him fight bader or shogun

[E-Man]

I can't wait until tomorrow night. I'm a big fan of both Jones and Rashad, so seeing them fight is pretty great to me. I think Rashad pulls off the upset due to his speed and counter attack style allowing him to get inside of Jones and negate his length. His wrestling has really improved a ton too. I didn't think he'd outright dominate Phil Davis in the wrestling department the way he did, so it wouldn't be crazy to see him as the first person to take down Jones. Jones is so damn incredible that I'll never count him out in anything. I'm picking Rashad, but another Bones ass whupping wouldn't be out of the question.

[SuperMcgee]

Just coming back from Cobrinha's gym. Guy's awesome and he goes pretty hard. I love just watching his guard.

Pretty excited for tomorrow. I'm still picking Jones, but I like the matchup and wouldn't be upset, either way.

[Bert Macklin]

It's game day bitches!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-uLuhitH05FQ/Txxrd_Y8QtI/AAAAAAAAAR0/hrEPSh-j648/s1600/10001787.gif

Oh and boo

Alistair Overeem (36-11 MMA, 1-0 UFC) will get his day in front of the Nevada State Athletic Commission next week, but UFC officials aren't waiting around.

UFC president Dana White announced late Friday night that Overeem has been pulled from the main event of UFC 146, and Frank Mir (16-5 MMA, 14-5 UFC) will now face Junior Dos Santos (14-1 MMA, 8-0 UFC) for the UFC heavyweight title.

Mir was originally expected to face Cain Velasquez (9-1 MMA, 7-1 UFC). White did not immediately reveal if Velasquez will receive a new opponent.

Dos Santos, of course, was slated to face former Strikeforce champion Overeem in the main event of UFC 146, which takes place May 26 at MGM Grand Garden Arena in Las Vegas. However, a recent pre-fight drug test that flagged Overeem for elevated levels of testosterone left his licensing status in doubt.

Overeem is scheduled to appear in front of the Nevada State Athletic Commission on Tuesday in an effort to gain licensure. His camp has yet to reveal exactly what their defense will be in front of the commission, but UFC officials have apparently decided to move forward now.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/28352/alistair-overeem-out-frank-mir-in-against-junior-dos-santos-at-ufc-146.mma

[fenikz]

JDS is going to simply walk through Mir

[Rob S]

Yup, Mir is toast.

[raiderz4life]

My coworker told me Mir was replacing Reem and I said the same thing...Mir is gonna get ****** up.

[Bengals78]

Mir will prepare for this the same way he did for the first Lesnar fight.
Turtle and take punches to the back of the head and hope the ref makes a bad decision to stand the fight up so he can pray for a submission.

[josh07039]

Mir will prepare for this the same way he did for the first Lesnar fight.
Turtle and take punches to the back of the head and hope the ref makes a bad decision to stand the fight up so he can pray for a submission. Most likely JDS lands shots on Mir until he catches him with a big uppercut or hook and Mir will collapse. But there is no reason Mir can't land a big shot and grab a submission. Mir has ways to win, they just aren't extremely likely. He has shown finishing ability on the feet and the ground so he basically has a punchers and grapplers chance.

[fenikz]

I've always felt Mir's sub game was overrated and JDS trains with the best submission fighters in the world

[josh07039]

I've always felt Mir's sub game was overrated and JDS trains with the best submission fighters in the world His combination of strength is technique is pretty dangerous. He has submitted some tough guys and trains with top guys himself. I just feel like people disrespect Mir alot because hes a cocky douchebag with a weak chin.

[fenikz]

Besides 35 year old Big Nog he hasn't ever subbed anyone decent

[josh07039]

Besides 35 year old Big Nog he hasn't ever subbed anyone decentIsn't 35 year old Big Nog what you referred to as training with the best for JDS? Mir also submitted Travern years ago who is a hell of a grappler. Not many guys in the heavyweight division are exactly big time grapplers. Mir submitted who was put in front of him. He trains with Drysdale and Ricky Lundell and other top guys just like JDS. Mir is a really really good BJJ player.

[fenikz]

as a training partner not as competition :/

Mir has no chance just get used to it

[Rob S]

<3 Mayday and Rory Mac.

[raiderz4life]

Schaub got ****** up haha I was like wtf just happened lol

[themaninblack]

if ya gotta link pm me

[fenikz]

just go to firstrowsports not the best links but they always have one

[josh07039]

as a training partner not as competition :/

Mir has no chance just get used to itI dont actually care and while I like Mir I also like JDS so I really don't care so much who wins. Im just arguing that he isn't as bad as many people think he is. He has a very small chane against JDS because he has no chin, JDS is quicker, his stand up is much better, his takedown defense is really good, and he probably has a good enough ground game to survive. However, Mir has the chance to win because he is a finisher on the feet and the ground. As I said, he has a punchers or grapplers chance.

[SeanTaylorRIP]

Rashad didn't do Shiz, afraid to get finished, humbled by those early elbows, quite the snoozer. Shad just kind of quit after the middle of the third round. I love how guys like Rampage and Rashad make excuses and act like Jones isn't that good, then try to fliping do something then. At least Hendo who's next and Gustaffson will try to finish the fight even if they risk getting taken down and finished.

[Complex]

Jones should move to heavy weight no one in his class is touching him.

[fenikz]

Henderson always has a chance vs anyone and I would like to see him fight Gustafsson sometime next year so he's not entirely done with the LHW division yet like Silva and GSP are with theirs

[nepg]

Jones should move to heavy weight no one in his class is touching him.
He doesn't have the power for heavyweight and would be severely out-sized in that division. He's going to stay at 205 just like GSP and Anderson Silva because that's the smart thing to do. And it's not like there's a shortage of 205 contenders coming through for him to fight.

[Rob S]

Why the hell should Jones move up? Hendo is a very interesting fight to me. Also, Silva vs. Jones>>>>>Jones vs. JDS. If anyone should move up it is Anderson to fight Jones.

[UKfan]

Jones would muller Gustaffson PDQ

[fenikz]

just realized Jones still has a 8" reach advantage on Gustafsson even though he is 6'5 :/

[Brent]

Rory McDonald is a really likeable fighter.

[UKfan]

just realized Jones still has a 8" reach advantage on Gustafsson even though he is 6'5 :/

Yeah, that combined with Gustaffson being relatively easy to hit (Thiago caught him with those predictable haymakers) makes me think Jones just toys with him standing. I want to see the Machida rematch, that first round Machida took and he looked good.

[Rob S]

Rory McDonald is a really likeable fighter.

He and Mayday are my 2 favorite prospects.

[Bengals78]

Jones is easily one of the best champions in sports.
From everything I read and see, he is a legitimately humble down to earth guy who just so happens to be insanely natural at delivering ass whoopings.
It comes natural to him but he seems so soft spoken and reserved at times.
Genuinely easy guy to root for and just like.

[Bert Macklin]

1) Shad clearly won round 1
2) Expect most of Jones fights to go to decision now. He could have easily finished Shad but chose not to.

[Bert Macklin]

Yessssssssssss

http://www.totalprosports.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/07/dan-henderson-knocking-out-michael-bisping.gif

ATLANTA – As expected Dan Henderson (29-8 MMA, 5-2 UFC) is getting the next shot at UFC light-heavyweight champion Jon Jones' title.

UFC president Dana White confirmed the plans after Saturday's UFC 145 event, where Jones (16-1 MMA, 10-1 UFC) scored a decision victory over Rashad Evans (17-2-1 MMA, 12-2-1 UFC) for his third consecutive title defense.

"We told Dan Henderson he would fight the winner of this fight, yes," White said.

No date has been determined for the upcoming Jones vs. Henderson title fight.

Henderson was in Atlanta for UFC 145, which aired on pay-per-view from the city's Phillips Arena. On Friday on the eve of the event, Henderson told MMAjunkie.com Radio (www.mmajunkie.com/radio) he'd rather fight Jones than Evans.

"I think I match up better with Jones," Henderson said. "Jones will stand up with me a little bit. He doesn't take as many shots from the outside that Rashad does. Rashad will be trying to put me on my back a little bit. Rashad would stand with me as well, but he doesn't forget that he's a wrestler."

Jones is excited for the matchup, even though he expects more haters to rally against him.

"I feel great that I already have a mission, and I'm going to work to better myself," Jones said. "Dan Henderson is a great opponent. He's a winner, and he has a huge fan base. ... He has extreme knockout power, and I'm excited to conquer."

Henderson is on a 7-1 run that includes fights at middleweight, light heavyweight and heavyweight. The heavyweight win came over Fedor Emelianenko under the Strikeforce banner. Henderson scored a knockout win against the Russian then signed with the UFC and topped light heavyweight Mauricio "Shogun" Rua in a "Fight of the Year" performance at UFC 139.

Henderson said winning a UFC title is the one career milestone that's eluded him in an illustrious career.

http://mmajunkie.com/news/28371/following-ufc-145-dan-henderson-up-next-for-champ-jon-jones.mma

[nepg]

1) Shad clearly won round 1
2) Expect most of Jones fights to go to decision now. He could have easily finished Shad but chose not to.
1) No. Rashad landed one shot in the first round. I had it 50-45.
2) He was trying to finish Rashad, but he couldn't do it without putting himself in a really bad spot. He wasn't comfortable attempting a take down and he was winning the fight by a lot. It's not like Rashad is some training dummy, it's not like he was hurt at all save for maybe one or two times, and Rashad still had a decent amount of gas in his tank by the end of the fight.

[fenikz]

not sure what the UFC has lined up card wise but Jones practically took no damage so that fight could happen rather quickly

[djp]

Henderson can definitely beat Jones, very much looking forward to that fight

[Bengals78]

1) Shad clearly won round 1
2) Expect most of Jones fights to go to decision now. He could have easily finished Shad but chose not to.

1) No
and
2) No

[raiderz4life]

I don't think Rashad clearly won rd 1 but I did give it to him.

[YAYareaRB]

love jon jones but i gotta roll with the dan the man

[thefalconer]

i know the way the fight was fought last night had to do with strategy but damn i wanted to see a brawl considering all the trash talk these two shared.

[Brent]

He and Mayday are my 2 favorite prospects.

Rory is so young and so sound already. I can't wait to see what heights he can reach.

[YAYareaRB]

Jones is easily one of the best champions in sports.
From everything I read and see, he is a legitimately humble down to earth guy who just so happens to be insanely natural at delivering ass whoopings.
It comes natural to him but he seems so soft spoken and reserved at times.
Genuinely easy guy to root for and just like.

its usually the quiet ones you gotta look out for. push a button and they wreck shop

[Bert Macklin]

love jon jones but i gotta roll with the dan the man

Hendo is my favorite active fighter since chuck retired

[YAYareaRB]

yeah hes definitely one of my favorites. old school. show up, brawl and leave.

[Bert Macklin]

yeah hes definitely one of my favorites. old school. show up, brawl and leave.

He won't e afraid to get in close because he's never been knocked out. It's not in his mind. He'll clinch and get a takedown.

[Caddy]

I see Jones controlling Hendo for most of this fight to be honest.

[Bert Macklin]

http://newspaper.li/static/ec3cda0697119eca682e2395c5579695.jpg

[YAYareaRB]

yeah dudes got a chin on him for sure. one of my favorite fights was between him and rampage. rampage tried with all his might to ko hendo and even thought he lost, it still showed how tough his chin is

[FSPH]

Jones fought smart. I felt like he could of finished Evans a couple times but didn't for whatever reason. Evens should have went for way more take downs in the middle of thier flurries.

I think Jones should take this fight to the ground early and not risk getting knocked out by a wild punch. He can make Hendo gas out by trying to get off his back and finish him in a later round. I can't wait to see this one.

I guess I can stop getting excited everytime a Torres fight is happening. He keeps dissapointing me. He was so much better in WEC.

lol @ Ben Rothwell basically letting Shaub punch him in the face just to knock him out when he was close enough. Shaub is to wreckless.

[Asteinebach]

Jones fought smart. I felt like he could of finished Evans a couple times but didn't for whatever reason.

1 word: Respect.

Evans knew he would be wasting his time working for takedowns. They've been training partners in the past, and that had a heavy impact on the outcome of this fight. Jon Jones has never been taken down in any fight...ever.

[Asteinebach]

As far as Jones/Hendo, I really don't see a threat for Jonny Jones. He's going to stand and strike, and utilize his substantial (13") reach advantage.

[nepg]

Jones couldn't finish Rashad. He was trying, but he's just not a good striker nor is he even close to as fast as Rashad. Every time Jones got close enough to throw power, Evans was countering with more power.

[Asteinebach]

Jones couldn't finish Rashad. He was trying, but he's just not a good striker nor is he even close to as fast as Rashad. Every time Jones got close enough to throw power, Evans was countering with more power.

That's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen. Jones doesn't have closing power? Have you ever watched an MMA fight? Jones is a threat to put opponents out with either hand or his feet. You make it sound like Evans got screwed out of a decision, he dominated this fight.

[djp]

Henderson just can't fight like Rashad did, moving in and out and trying to outquick Bones. It's just not possible with his reach+athleticism combo. Hendo just needs to come out guns blazing and try to smother Jones. It may not work out, but it's definitely a better (and more entertaining for the fans) way to attack Jones rather than get cut up for 5 rounds

[josh07039]

Henderson just can't fight like Rashad did, moving in and out and trying to outquick Bones. It's just not possible with his reach+athleticism combo. Hendo just needs to come out guns blazing and try to smother Jones. It may not work out, but it's definitely a better (and more entertaining for the fans) way to attack Jones rather than get cut up for 5 roundsHe can't fight like Rashad did? So what? He doesn't want to fight like Rashas did. Hendo wants to get up close and smash him in the face in the clinch and wing overhand rights while coming forward. Do I think Hendo will win? No, but he has a shot because he is an epic human being who can knock out anyone or anything.

I know it seems like being in the clinch with Jones is a recipe for disaster and Hendo's TDD sucks, but who knows if Hendo can't land one of those short uppercuts from the clinch that destroys faces.

[Asteinebach]

...but who knows if Hendo can't land one of those short uppercuts from the clinch that destroys faces.

I give Henderson about a puncher's chance. Even if he does win, it won't likely be in convincing enough fashion to avoid having to see Bones in a rematch. Jon Jones is, in my estimation, the cream of the crop at 205 and I think the only guy that can beat him would have to come up from his reign at 185.

[Caddy]

I give Henderson about a puncher's chance. Even if he does win, it won't likely be in convincing enough fashion to avoid having to see Bones in a rematch. Jon Jones is, in my estimation, the cream of the crop at 205 and I think the only guy that can beat him would have to come up from his reign at 185.

I agree with this. I think Jones can take Henderson down and keep him down. Even if the fight stays on the feet, I can't see Hendo winning by decision which is the most likely outcome.

[Complex]

Overeem out for 9 months. He has testosterone of 15 men.


Sucks that he got suspended. I wanted his overrated ass to get beat down by JDS.

[Bert Macklin]

He's not overrated he's legit but let's see how he is off the testosterone. Will he rebound or look like Silva did against Gustaffson not on roids?

[fenikz]

Actually he has the testosterone of 60 men, they allow levels 4x the norm

[E-Man]

Jones is incredible. He's on the verge of having the best run at 205 ever. Chuck, Tito, and Wand, are the top three lightheavyweights of all time IMO, and Jones is better than they were to me. The only thing he lacks form them is a good streak, but even then all of those guys had some flaws in their title runs. Wand fought a ton of cans, Tito didn't fight Chuck, Chuck's title run was only rematches. If Jones beats Hendo I think he'd have the best 205 title run in history, and the only thing keeping him from topping Chuck would be a couple more top wins since Chuck beat great guys outside of his title reign.

It's crazy how mad Jones makes people too. I picked Rashad, and I've been a Rashad fan since TUF, but there's no point in hating Jones for beating him. Right now I don't see how you can't be a fan of Jon Jones. He's incredibly innovative in the cage, and he smashes guys. I couldn't give a rat's ass about his personality, and even then he's no worse than a lot of other guys anyway. He's really just a goofy ass nerd. I guess a lot of meatheads can't take the fact that some dork whups people's ass the way he does. lol

[Asteinebach]

I guess a lot of meatheads can't take the fact that some dork whups people's ass the way he does. lol

Joe Rogan made a comment about Anderson Silva that's similar to this one. He said that one of, he thinks, Silva's greatest strengths is that on the day to day, he doesn't carry around that false bravado or meat head machismo. He's so level headed that he can properly analyze his challengers on a fight-by-fight basis. It's a great advantage, knowing what the other guy does better than you.

As far as Overeem is concerned, I'm really indifferent. I think some of the numbers you guys threw out there were a bit inflated. From what I read, his testosterone to epitestosterone levels were 14:1. The allowed level is 6:1 and the average man carries around 1:1.

As for Overeem on the whole, he never impressed me early in his career. His win over Brock Lesner is equally underwhelming. To think he can walk into the UFC and get a title shot after beating 1 fighter is laughable. I not only think that JDS would have his way with him, but so would Cain Velasquez and maybe even Mir. I just don't have a ton of respect for him. And before you jump on my nuts, let me just say I've seen all I need to see of him between Pride and Strikeforce to formulate my opinion.

[E-Man]

I find it funny that people are still trying to go to great lengths to say that Overeem might be innocent. WTF more do you need than a positive drug test and people saying he tried to dodge the random drug test after the press conference? The good thing for him is that he can still fight in Japan where roiding is legal if things just don't work out with Zuffa, but in terms of image he's got to do a lot to change people's perception of him stateside.

[nepg]

I like Jones, but a lot of the things he does just seem forced. As far his skill set, he gets by with good wrestling and being really good at utilizing his reach advantage. He's not a good or powerful striker and he's not very quick or fast. There's really no limit to where he can go with what he does combined with continuing to get better.

[Caddy]

Jones is incredible. A win streak that includes Rampage, Rashad, Shogun and Lyoto is probably the greatest four fight win streak I've witnessed. Once he beats Henderson (which I believe he will) and maybe Gustaffson, he is going to be in his mid 20's, having already cleared out the division.

[themaninblack]

I like Jones and all but I kinda want to see Hendo knock his block off one time just to prove he's not invincible like some seem to think.

[Bengals78]

I like Jones and all but I kinda want to see Hendo knock his block off one time just to prove he's not invincible like some seem to think.

http://www.mmabay.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Jon-Jones-10015.jpg

[themaninblack]

Awesome smirk Farva.

[Bengals78]

I dont think he is invincible, I just think he is really good at not getting hit haha

[themaninblack]

Oh I agree but it only takes one and I'm hoping Hendo is the one to do it because he's the ******* man.

[Bengals78]

if I had to pick someone who wont be afraid of getting in the pocket and going for it, it is Hendo

[nepg]

This was moderately funny. Skip to 0:34
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[Bert Macklin]

Just rewatched the Penn/Diaz fight that was a WAR.

[Bert Macklin]

At a regional MMA event, a 53-year-old spectator named Tim was asked if he’d come in as a replacement for a fighter who had dropped out at the last minute. Tim agreed, and found himself staring down a 21-year-old opponent just an hour later.

http://www.break.com/index/battle-of-the-ages-2322739

[josh07039]

Im only posting something this stupid because I want to get this thread going again with the big fox card tomorrow. I really like all the fights on the card and all of them for different reasons. Lavar vs. Barry is just gonna be striking, Hendricks vs. Koshceck may get interesting on the ground (I actually sometimes enjoy wrestling even if others find it boring. For some reason I like trying to work out the leverage and positioning in my head.) Belcher and Palhares could be a brutal submission and Miller vs. Diaz has the most divisional significance and features one of my favorite fighters in Jim Miller.
I dont usually give picks cause I suck but yeah.
Miller by GNP
Belcher by Decision
Koshceck by Decision
Barry by Knockout

Also, just a quick nerdy thing, I find it really cool when i see clips about Jim Miller training because I take bjj classes at the same place and its just surreal to see the same mats I do mundane tasks and attempt terrible technique on have some importance.

[Bert Macklin]

It's Diaz time!

[Dr. Gonzo]

I ******* love the Diaz brothers.

[Bert Macklin]

http://cdn.fd.uproxx.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/Steven-Seagal-Invented-Arbys.jpg

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[SeanTaylorRIP]

Damn Korean Zombie tooled Porirer, that was surprising, KZ is a top featherweight now, he's so far from his brawls with Garcia. His ground game is so sick and of course he can bang with anyone.

On a side not Cerrone absolutely outclassed Stephens in a standup battle, if Diaz is going to sit and wait for a title shot I'd love to watch Cerrone vs Pettis in a title eliminator.

[josh07039]

Damn Korean Zombie tooled Porirer, that was surprising, KZ is a top featherweight now, he's so far from his brawls with Garcia. His ground game is so sick and of course he can bang with anyone.

On a side not Cerrone absolutely outclassed Stephens in a standup battle, if Diaz is going to sit and wait for a title shot I'd love to watch Cerrone vs Pettis in a title eliminator.I still think Poirer is a top prospect and a guy to watch in the future, but he hasn't really beaten anybody close to Jung's level so Im not fully surprised by the result, but I was a little amazed by how dominating he was.

No knock on Cerrone but when he outclasses someone like that, it just feels like watching sparring and i find it semi boring. Not his fault, all matchmaking though. The funny part of this fight is that in the graphic beforehand, they gave Stephens the striking advantage just to give him one check mark out 3 to make it seem competitive.

The one thing that bothered most about last night was the Jabouin Houghland fight. I think the fight should have been stopped multiple times. The fact that Houghland was able to make it to the bell is not a justification. He just took a one sided beating after the fight should have been stopped. The worst part to me was that Florian and Anik talked about how tough Houghland is and how the ref clearly made the right call cause Houghland survived. I think that is a ridiculous statement but such is life.