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intergalacticspacemonkey
09-17-2006, 06:30 PM
Chicago and San Diego only allowed one touchdown, but played terrible teams. Baltimore only allowed six points and played one good team that is offensively challenged.

Who do you think has the best defense?

Namy
09-17-2006, 06:31 PM
Denver has not allowed a single TD.

bearfan
09-17-2006, 06:31 PM
I honestly dont belive the Bears have the best D. Sure they dont give up the points, but htey do give up the yards now.

Ravens1991
09-17-2006, 06:31 PM
homerism is oozing out so I choose not to vote.

09-17-2006, 06:32 PM
its chicago until they play bad.

since when does playing well agianst good teams make you worse?

danman253
09-17-2006, 06:32 PM
Seattle isn't the best, but they deserve to be an option.

sweetness34
09-17-2006, 06:33 PM
Seattle isn't the best, but they deserve to be an option.

Agreed....

Gribble
09-17-2006, 06:35 PM
San Diego for me. Amazing pressure with their front three and linebackers.

Twiddler
09-17-2006, 06:35 PM
Bears. But it'll be interesting to see how they play later on when they get some rougher teams.

bearsfan_51
09-17-2006, 06:35 PM
I'm glad the Chargers are making me look good. I said before the season started that they were the 2nd best D in the league (of course whooping the Raiders and Titans doesn't take much).

Anyway, it's Chicago. Chicago was the best last year and they only got better. What is there really even to argue?

SeanTaylorRIP
09-17-2006, 06:36 PM
Baltimore right now.

HawkeyeFan
09-17-2006, 06:41 PM
Guess who voted other and why 8)


No, I'm kidding I voted Chicago.

09-17-2006, 06:42 PM
Denver has not allowed a single TD.And they arent even an option :lol:

Moses
09-17-2006, 06:46 PM
I'm glad the Chargers are making me look good. I said before the season started that they were the 2nd best D in the league (of course whooping the Raiders and Titans doesn't take much).

Anyway, it's Chicago. Chicago was the best last year and they only got better. What is there really even to argue?

It's debatable that the Bears were the best last year, but I won't bother debating that since it's a moot point.

Last year doesn't matter that much because even if the Bears got better, so did other teams. Say the Bears were a A- defence last year, with the next best team being a B+. Maybe the Bears improve to A this year, but the team that was B+ improved to A+.

intergalacticspacemonkey
09-17-2006, 06:50 PM
I'm glad the Chargers are making me look good. I said before the season started that they were the 2nd best D in the league (of course whooping the Raiders and Titans doesn't take much).

Anyway, it's Chicago. Chicago was the best last year and they only got better. What is there really even to argue?

We'll Detroit did tear them up at the start of the 3rd quarter.

keylime_5
09-17-2006, 06:52 PM
Chicago followed by San Diego. Baltimore isn't even top 5, they just have played really really bad teams the first 2 weeks (oakland should have the top pick in the draft, and Tampa has been the worst offense in the NFC to date)

draftguru151
09-17-2006, 07:30 PM
1. Bears
2. Chargers
3. Baltimore

One team that no one said is Pittsburgh. They have a great run D, and pass D is darn good too.

sweetness34
09-17-2006, 07:39 PM
I'm extremely critical of our defense, and IMO we haven't played like we're capable of yet, and that's scary.

And in today's game I was very disappointed. Maybe it was the game plan, or maybe it was just how we played, but our pass coverage was not good IMO. We left to many guys open.

Run defense was very good, as was the pressure on Kitna, but not the pass defense.

To be honest, we don't look like a top tier defense right now. And maybe I'm being to critical, but it's just how I see it.

Ravens1991
09-17-2006, 07:42 PM
Chicago followed by San Diego. Baltimore isn't even top 5, they just have played really really bad teams the first 2 weeks (oakland should have the top pick in the draft, and Tampa has been the worst offense in the NFC to date)

please name 5 defenses better, I know I wouldnt call them #1 due to the teams they have played so far.

nrk
09-17-2006, 07:52 PM
Chicago followed by San Diego. Baltimore isn't even top 5, they just have played really really bad teams the first 2 weeks (oakland should have the top pick in the draft, and Tampa has been the worst offense in the NFC to date)

What are you talking about? They all played really really bad teams in the first 2 weeks. San Diego played Oakland as well if you forgot, and Tenessee, Chicago beat Green Bay and Detroit, while Baltimore beat Oakland and Tampa Bay. I still say Chicago, but you can't say they didn't play equally bad teams, and atleast Tampa Bay was a playoff team.

sweetness34
09-17-2006, 07:54 PM
Chicago followed by San Diego. Baltimore isn't even top 5, they just have played really really bad teams the first 2 weeks (oakland should have the top pick in the draft, and Tampa has been the worst offense in the NFC to date)

please name 5 defenses better, I know I wouldnt call them #1 due to the teams they have played so far.

I'm with ya. Baltimore is a very good defense. Ray looks to be back to his old form, although I don't think he's as good. Your secondary is insanely good. Your DL is underrated IMO and you've got a nice LB core.

16_SFfan_80
09-17-2006, 07:54 PM
1) Baltimore
2) Bears
3) Chargers
4) Falcons
5) Broncos

Ravens are looking like a Super Bowl team.

The Unseen
09-17-2006, 07:55 PM
Not sure right now. Ravens, Bears, and Chargers are impressive so far, but all against bad teams so far.

yourfavestoner
09-17-2006, 08:02 PM
Not sure right now. Ravens, Bears, and Chargers are impressive so far, but all against bad teams so far.

Agreed. I personally feel Jacksonville will have a top 5 defense coming against a very hard schedule.

sweetness34
09-17-2006, 08:03 PM
Not sure right now. Ravens, Bears, and Chargers are impressive so far, but all against bad teams so far.

Detroit is not a bad team. They're an average team and I'll keep saying that.

I mean they did play with Seattle.

They're a solid offensive team and a solid defensive team.

The Unseen
09-17-2006, 08:05 PM
I mean they did play with Seattle.

That was due to their defense, not their offense. They only scored 6 points.

psub10champs
09-17-2006, 08:05 PM
Chicago, Pittsburgh, Baltimore, San Diego, Seattle

bearsfan_51
09-17-2006, 08:06 PM
Not sure right now. Ravens, Bears, and Chargers are impressive so far, but all against bad teams so far.

Detroit is not a bad team. They're an average team and I'll keep saying that.

I mean they did play with Seattle.

They're a solid offensive team and a solid defensive team.
The Lions are a below average team. If by average we're saying the 13th to 19th best team in the NFL. The Dolphins, for example, are an average team.

IBleedNavyandOrange
09-17-2006, 08:12 PM
Baltimore is looking very intimidating right now, while the Bears are struggling to get consistent pressure on the QB, the defensive backfield isn't gelling quite yet (though it seems to be improved over last year), and the unit as a whole isn't tackling well.

The homer in me says Bears.

The objective, rational part of me says you can't decide after just two games. Maybe after four. There's just not enough of a sample to make a determination yet. On stats alone, I think it's the Ravens.

Though Pittsburgh and San Diego are looking very good, I think Baltimore and Chicago are a big step above the rest of the league. Which, come to think of it, is how it should be.

psub10champs
09-17-2006, 08:14 PM
Baltimore looks good, but they played two teams who are really are struggling on offense. Oakland and Tampa Bays O-Lines have been dismal. Now I'm not saying they're bad, but I wanna see them versus a top tier opponent. THe same could be said about Chicago, but the difference is they proved themselves last year.

I have Pitt ahead of Baltimore still, Lebeau's scheme works wonders, and is constantly bringing pressure, forcing turnovers and I think is second only to the bears

bearsfan_51
09-17-2006, 08:16 PM
Baltimore is looking very intimidating right now, while the Bears are struggling to get consistent pressure on the QB, the defensive backfield isn't gelling quite yet (though it seems to be improved over last year), and the unit as a whole isn't tackling well.

The homer in me says Bears.

The objective, rational part of me says you can't decide after just two games. Maybe after four. There's just not enough of a sample to make a determination yet. On stats alone, I think it's the Ravens.

Though Pittsburgh and San Diego are looking very good, I think Baltimore and Chicago are a big step above the rest of the league. Which, come to think of it, is how it should be.
I don't understand this pressure argument. We have 9 sacks in 2 games. How much pressure do you want? They were in both Favre and Kitna's faces the last two weeks.

XxXdragonXxX
09-17-2006, 09:59 PM
With as little homerism as I can use....I'm taking Seattle.

GB12
09-17-2006, 10:02 PM
1. Bears
2. Chargers
3. Baltimore

One team that no one said is Pittsburgh. They have a great run D, and pass D is darn good too.

same top 3 but for now I'd have baltimore over SD

Number 10
09-17-2006, 10:06 PM
Chicago for 2 reasons.

1-Depth

2-Strong play in the trenches

intergalacticspacemonkey
09-17-2006, 10:14 PM
Baltimore is looking very intimidating right now, while the Bears are struggling to get consistent pressure on the QB, the defensive backfield isn't gelling quite yet (though it seems to be improved over last year), and the unit as a whole isn't tackling well.

The homer in me says Bears.

The objective, rational part of me says you can't decide after just two games. Maybe after four. There's just not enough of a sample to make a determination yet. On stats alone, I think it's the Ravens.

Though Pittsburgh and San Diego are looking very good, I think Baltimore and Chicago are a big step above the rest of the league. Which, come to think of it, is how it should be.
I don't understand this pressure argument. We have 9 sacks in 2 games. How much pressure do you want? They were in both Favre and Kitna's faces the last two weeks.

Both of those offensive lines are terrible though. I'll know if they're good when they face Minnesota. Especially the left side with Hutchinson and McKinnie.

sweetness34
09-17-2006, 10:16 PM
Baltimore is looking very intimidating right now, while the Bears are struggling to get consistent pressure on the QB, the defensive backfield isn't gelling quite yet (though it seems to be improved over last year), and the unit as a whole isn't tackling well.

The homer in me says Bears.

The objective, rational part of me says you can't decide after just two games. Maybe after four. There's just not enough of a sample to make a determination yet. On stats alone, I think it's the Ravens.

Though Pittsburgh and San Diego are looking very good, I think Baltimore and Chicago are a big step above the rest of the league. Which, come to think of it, is how it should be.
I don't understand this pressure argument. We have 9 sacks in 2 games. How much pressure do you want? They were in both Favre and Kitna's faces the last two weeks.

Both of those offensive lines are terrible though. I'll know if they're good when they face Minnesota. Especially the left side with Hutchinson and McKinnie.

What do you mean "you'll know if we're good"? Our defense proved it last season. We don't need to "prove" anything. We just need to play better.

We were a top 3 defense last season.

VoteLynnSwan
09-17-2006, 10:18 PM
With as little homerism as I can use....I'm taking Seattle.

yea... well if that's the smallest amount you can use... then ST21 may not be the biggest homer on this site.

XxXdragonXxX
09-17-2006, 10:27 PM
yea... well if that's the smallest amount you can use... then ST21 may not be the biggest homer on this site.

You'll see.

P-L
09-17-2006, 10:33 PM
The Bears' secondary is suspect right now, imo. They played pretty good, but not great against the Packers. They also let Jon Kitna shred them for 3 quarters, but I give them props for not letting up a TD. But the best front 7 in football will make up for the suspect secondary. I think they have the best with Baltimore, Carolina (when healthy), and San Diego not too far behind.

sweetness34
09-17-2006, 10:35 PM
The Bears' secondary is suspect right now, imo. They played pretty good, but not great against the Packers. They also let Jon Kitna shred them for 3 quarters, but I give them props for not letting up a TD. But the best front 7 in football will make up for the suspect secondary. I think they have the best with Baltimore, Carolina (when healthy), and San Diego not too far behind.

From what it looked like to me, we played a soft cover 2. We allowed a lot in front of us but nothing behind. Probably in fear that Roy might get behind us.

With that being said though, our pass defense wasn't good. Too many open guys for my taste and no INT's.

Oh well, I'll take a 7 point score from the opponent any week.

Staubach12
09-17-2006, 10:36 PM
Chicago

nobodyinparticular
09-17-2006, 10:48 PM
San Diego for me. Amazing pressure with their front three and linebackers.

But their secondary sucks... Once they find a matchup against a good offensive line, they can get beaten deep pretty easily.

All in all though, they definitely have played very well this season. I'd just like to see them in a real test.

Nitschke-Hawk
09-17-2006, 11:19 PM
I believe in Baltimore.

Tubby
09-18-2006, 01:02 AM
Seattle isn't the best, but they deserve to be an option.

Agreed....

I voted Chicago, but we've only allowed one touchdown too, and it was a garbage TD.

slightlyaraiderfan
09-18-2006, 01:19 AM
The top defensive teams...Chicago, Chargers and Ravens have played nobody yet.

The Legend
09-18-2006, 01:34 AM
Ravens stats in 2 weeks

Interception - 6
Fumbles - 5
Sacks - 9
Tackles - 114
(49 Tackles - Week One)
(65 Tackles - Week Two)

nobodyinparticular
09-18-2006, 01:38 AM
Baltimore looks good, but they played two teams who are really are struggling on offense. Oakland and Tampa Bays O-Lines have been dismal. Now I'm not saying they're bad, but I wanna see them versus a top tier opponent. THe same could be said about Chicago, but the difference is they proved themselves last year.

I have Pitt ahead of Baltimore still, Lebeau's scheme works wonders, and is constantly bringing pressure, forcing turnovers and I think is second only to the bears

Baltimore's offense looked horrid today against the Raiders. I mean downright pathetic.

The Legend
09-18-2006, 01:40 AM
Baltimore looks good, but they played two teams who are really are struggling on offense. Oakland and Tampa Bays O-Lines have been dismal. Now I'm not saying they're bad, but I wanna see them versus a top tier opponent. THe same could be said about Chicago, but the difference is they proved themselves last year.

I have Pitt ahead of Baltimore still, Lebeau's scheme works wonders, and is constantly bringing pressure, forcing turnovers and I think is second only to the bears

Baltimore's offense looked horrid today against the Raiders. I mean downright pathetic.

i dont thinks so i think that the raiders defence just look amazing

i think the raiders defence is good

BlindSite
09-18-2006, 01:49 AM
Baltimore will be hard to go past now they've got a decent offense.

I think the top 5 will round out like this:

Chicago
Carolina
Tampa
Baltimore
Denver

The Legend
09-18-2006, 01:52 AM
Baltimore will be hard to go past now they've got a decent offense.

I think the top 5 will round out like this:

Chicago
Carolina
Tampa
Baltimore
Denver

i think they have some much confidence thats what is making the defence so good (also that great dline)

BlindSite
09-18-2006, 01:54 AM
I guess you're right, it wouldn't be easy going out there after three consecutive three and outs to try and stop an offense.

IBleedNavyandOrange
09-18-2006, 07:09 AM
Baltimore is looking very intimidating right now, while the Bears are struggling to get consistent pressure on the QB, the defensive backfield isn't gelling quite yet (though it seems to be improved over last year), and the unit as a whole isn't tackling well.

I don't understand this pressure argument. We have 9 sacks in 2 games. How much pressure do you want? They were in both Favre and Kitna's faces the last two weeks.

As I bolded above, consistent pressure. In the Detroit game especially, there were way too many plays when the QB had a lot of time to check down, and the receivers had a lot of time to find openings in the zones. Plus, a lot of the successs the Bears have had so far has been at the edges, allowing the QB to step up and avoid the pressure. I'd like to see a bigger push up front from Tommie... but then, I think he's been drawing a lot of double-teams.

A big part of it is me seeing a 2-0 team whose defense has allowed all of 7 points, and knowing that the D isn't playing up to its potential--which it will need to do to beat teams other than GB and Detroit.

IBleedNavyandOrange
09-18-2006, 07:16 AM
Ravens stats in 2 weeks

Tackles - 114
(49 Tackles - Week One)
(65 Tackles - Week Two)

Tackles is the stat you're using to impress???

You realize that the only plays that don't end in a tackle are incompletions, out-of-bounds, and touchdowns. So comparing team defenses by means of total tackles makes no sense. Individual players can be compared by tackle counts, but not team defenses.

nrk
09-18-2006, 11:56 AM
Ravens stats in 2 weeks

Interception - 6
Fumbles - 5
Sacks - 9
Tackles - 114
(49 Tackles - Week One)
(65 Tackles - Week Two)

Add a safety to that list

portermvp84
09-18-2006, 12:43 PM
Balitomre they have been looking pretty damn good latly.

Denver Bronco99
09-18-2006, 02:04 PM
im a broncos fan...but common facts

they have been the most redzone tested and how many Td's....NONE

they havent played scrub offences...if anything they have played 2 of the best...and how many TD's NONE

Basileus777
09-18-2006, 02:07 PM
im a broncos fan...but common facts

they have been the most redzone tested and how many Td's....NONE

they havent played scrub offences...if anything they have played 2 of the best...and how many TD's NONE

Actually they have played two teams with "scrub offenses". In the past the Rams and Chiefs may have had good offenses, but so far this year that is not the case.

The Broncos defense is pretty good, but don't be such a homer. Denver still has way too many questions about its front four to be called a top 5 D.

LonghornsLegend
09-18-2006, 02:11 PM
ATL deserves more credit...they played 2 solid teams already....their secondary has a major improvement, their DE's are arguably the best tandom in the league and they have a great lb corp....

no one is on the level of the bears i dont care what you say...


#1 you have to take into consideration its the same unit as last year, the one that was already great, that means the unit gets to gel together, everyone has played together before so its not alot of new players trying to make it work...

#2 they drafted for more defense in the draft, meaning players get rest, and hester and manning was brilliant, adds speed and athleticism to their secondary that was already stout


now the ravens are always gonnabe up their when their healthy...because of ray lewis and ed reed, thats enough to almost vault them ahead of the bears because of their 2 superstars, BUT their D line is not as strong as chicago

VoteLynnSwan
09-18-2006, 02:14 PM
ATL deserves more credit...they played 2 solid teams already....their secondary has a major improvement, their DE's are arguably the best tandom in the league and they have a great lb corp....

no one is on the level of the bears i dont care what you say...


#1 you have to take into consideration its the same unit as last year, the one that was already great, that means the unit gets to gel together, everyone has played together before so its not alot of new players trying to make it work...

#2 they drafted for more defense in the draft, meaning players get rest, and hester and manning was brilliant, adds speed and athleticism to their secondary that was already stout


now the ravens are always gonnabe up their when their healthy...because of ray lewis and ed reed, thats enough to almost vault them ahead of the bears because of their 2 superstars, BUT their D line is not as strong as chicago

at this point in their respective careers, I'd contest that Brian Urlacher is better than Ray Lewis.

Basileus777
09-18-2006, 02:16 PM
ATL deserves more credit...they played 2 solid teams already....their secondary has a major improvement, their DE's are arguably the best tandom in the league and they have a great lb corp....

no one is on the level of the bears i dont care what you say...


#1 you have to take into consideration its the same unit as last year, the one that was already great, that means the unit gets to gel together, everyone has played together before so its not alot of new players trying to make it work...

#2 they drafted for more defense in the draft, meaning players get rest, and hester and manning was brilliant, adds speed and athleticism to their secondary that was already stout


now the ravens are always gonnabe up their when their healthy...because of ray lewis and ed reed, thats enough to almost vault them ahead of the bears because of their 2 superstars, BUT their D line is not as strong as chicago

at this point in their respective careers, I'd contest that Brian Urlacher is better than Ray Lewis.

Maybe, but I'd still take Ray Lewis, Adalius Thomas, and Bart Scott over Brian Urlacher, Lance Briggs, and Hunter Hillenmeyer anyday.

LonghornsLegend
09-18-2006, 02:27 PM
ATL deserves more credit...they played 2 solid teams already....their secondary has a major improvement, their DE's are arguably the best tandom in the league and they have a great lb corp....

no one is on the level of the bears i dont care what you say...


#1 you have to take into consideration its the same unit as last year, the one that was already great, that means the unit gets to gel together, everyone has played together before so its not alot of new players trying to make it work...

#2 they drafted for more defense in the draft, meaning players get rest, and hester and manning was brilliant, adds speed and athleticism to their secondary that was already stout


now the ravens are always gonnabe up their when their healthy...because of ray lewis and ed reed, thats enough to almost vault them ahead of the bears because of their 2 superstars, BUT their D line is not as strong as chicago

at this point in their respective careers, I'd contest that Brian Urlacher is better than Ray Lewis.

Maybe, but I'd still take Ray Lewis, Adalius Thomas, and Bart Scott over Brian Urlacher, Lance Briggs, and Hunter Hillenmeyer anyday.


ya ok, but throw in the bears D line vs the ravens D line and it evens itself back out, no way id take the ravens line over the bears...the bears are one of the few teams who can produce sacks with the front 4 alone and no blitzes, lovie smith is a genius and i love what he's done with them...


and urlacher/lewis is probably very close to a draw as far as athletically what you get and what they bring to their team....ed reed is the difference maker for the ravens now and makes it very hard to pass on them

dRaFtDoRk
09-18-2006, 02:37 PM
I don't see how anybody cannot vote for anyone else but Baltimore. They lead the league in interceptions tied for fourth in sacks. THey have not given up 1 TD, and I don't think they will this upcoming week against Cleveland.

1. Baltimore
2. Chicago
3. Atlanta
4. San Diego
5. Pittsburgh

LonghornsLegend
09-18-2006, 02:39 PM
I don't see how anybody cannot vote for anyone else but Baltimore. They lead the league in interceptions tied for fourth in sacks. THey have not given up 1 TD, and I don't think they will this upcoming week against Cleveland.

1. Baltimore
2. Chicago
3. Atlanta
4. San Diego
5. Pittsburgh


who has SD played that makes them a top 5 defense...id put denver before them


and i dont judge how great a D is by who has given up a TD, who hasnt because its too early, in week 8 ill go off that, now its early, some of these teams id need to see play high octane offenses, or teams who can score more then 21...


ill judge when cincy plays baltimore, and when they stop them from scoring a TD all game they are the best D this year by far

intergalacticspacemonkey
09-18-2006, 03:14 PM
I voted for Baltimore because they have a better secondary. The Bears don't have an Ed Reed or McAllister like the Ravens do. Both have very good linebacking corps, and the Bears have better pass rush. I still like the Ravens pass rush, but think its more about size and opening up holes for LB's rather than just getting pressure.

Basileus777
09-18-2006, 03:17 PM
I voted for Baltimore because they I still like the Ravens pass rush, but think its more about size and opening up holes for LB's rather than just getting pressure.

Yeah, Baltimore needs to blitz to get their pass rush, and alot of it comes from Rex Ryan's schemes. The Bears have a much better pass rushing front four.

Denver Bronco99
09-18-2006, 03:28 PM
oh i agree its the ravens..but the broncos have been tested in the redzone and has not been beat agaisnst good O's

SeanTaylorRIP
09-18-2006, 03:30 PM
Baltimore is beast, there defense is stacked. They have a great DT duo. Haloti Ngata is the real deal and will be a perennial pro bowler. Kelly Gregg might be the most underrated DT in the NFL, his motor never stops. At DE on one side they have Terrell Suggs one of the most dominating defenders in the NFL and a pro bowler for sure. The other end they have former pro bowler Trevor Pryce a great veteran. The scary thing is that the D-line might be the weakest part of their defense if you can call anything about them week. At LB they are one of the best in the league. Of course Ray Lewis, is Ray Lewis, he's back and is the most valueble defender in the NFL. The only player that demands that kind of respect, makes everyone around him better. Adalius Thomas is a pro bowl player and is the most athletic/versitile player in the NFL. Bart Scott is a talking machine and could very well be a pro bowler in his first full season. Dan Cody, Jarett Johnson, and Mike Smith are great as backups. And they might have the best secondary in the NFL. Chris McCalister toss up between him and Champ Bailey as to who is the best corner in the NFL. Samari Rolle can cover any reciever in the NFL. Backing them up are Evan Oglesby and Ronnie Prude. Oglesby stepped in when Samari got hurt and shut down the Raiders #2 recievers. Prude had an interception. At safety obvously Ed Reed is the best safety in the NFL, best playmaker in the league, no need to explan more. And lastly Dawan Landry is an absolute steal in the 5th round. He IMO is already better than Will Demps not getting burnt in coverage and his hitting, wow. That helmet popping hit yesterday was crazy. The thing that seperates the Ravens Defense from everyone else is that they score.

Ravens1991
09-18-2006, 03:33 PM
dont forget that T-sizzle could be a 15+ sack player in a 3-4 but is a DE, but I am waiting to call them the best until we play a preety good O.

psub10champs
09-18-2006, 03:49 PM
Is everyone forgetting who the Ravens Played???? Oakland and freaking Tampa Bay. Not to take any credit away from them. But lets wait until they play teams who can actually move the football. Also, there is still a game tonight, and I am confident that Pittsburgh will show you tonight why they need to be in this discussion (knock on wood)

XxXdragonXxX
09-18-2006, 03:53 PM
Is everyone forgetting who the Ravens Played???? Oakland and freaking Tennessee. Not to take any credit away from them. But lets wait until they play teams who can actually move the football. Also, there is still a game tonight, and I am confident that Pittsburgh will show you tonight why they need to be in this discussion (knock on wood)

Actually the Ravens played Oakland and Tampa Bay.

San Diego played Oakland and Tennessee.

Basileus777
09-18-2006, 04:00 PM
Is everyone forgetting who the Ravens Played???? Oakland and freaking Tennessee. Not to take any credit away from them. But lets wait until they play teams who can actually move the football. Also, there is still a game tonight, and I am confident that Pittsburgh will show you tonight why they need to be in this discussion (knock on wood)

Nearly every defense in this discussion has played against weak offensive teams. It is the same case for San Diego, Chicago, and arguably Pittsburgh. And Atlanta played one mediocre offense and one bad offense.

psub10champs
09-18-2006, 04:09 PM
Is everyone forgetting who the Ravens Played???? Oakland and freaking Tennessee. Not to take any credit away from them. But lets wait until they play teams who can actually move the football. Also, there is still a game tonight, and I am confident that Pittsburgh will show you tonight why they need to be in this discussion (knock on wood)

Actually the Ravens played Oakland and Tampa Bay.

San Diego played Oakland and Tennessee.

yea, sorry bout that
sitll, the Buccaneers are doin just as bad

psub10champs
09-18-2006, 04:10 PM
Is everyone forgetting who the Ravens Played???? Oakland and freaking Tennessee. Not to take any credit away from them. But lets wait until they play teams who can actually move the football. Also, there is still a game tonight, and I am confident that Pittsburgh will show you tonight why they need to be in this discussion (knock on wood)

Nearly every defense in this discussion has played against weak offensive teams. It is the same case for San Diego, Chicago, and arguably Pittsburgh. And Atlanta played one mediocre offense and one bad offense.
That's why tonight when they play a good offense in Jacksonville, I think Pitt will show why they should be in the discussion.

SeanTaylorRIP
09-18-2006, 05:18 PM
Well Jacksonville isn't really a good offense, they are more about ball control with the great defense they have.

sweetness34
09-18-2006, 05:36 PM
Baltimore is looking very intimidating right now, while the Bears are struggling to get consistent pressure on the QB, the defensive backfield isn't gelling quite yet (though it seems to be improved over last year), and the unit as a whole isn't tackling well.

I don't understand this pressure argument. We have 9 sacks in 2 games. How much pressure do you want? They were in both Favre and Kitna's faces the last two weeks.

As I bolded above, consistent pressure. In the Detroit game especially, there were way too many plays when the QB had a lot of time to check down, and the receivers had a lot of time to find openings in the zones. Plus, a lot of the successs the Bears have had so far has been at the edges, allowing the QB to step up and avoid the pressure. I'd like to see a bigger push up front from Tommie... but then, I think he's been drawing a lot of double-teams.

A big part of it is me seeing a 2-0 team whose defense has allowed all of 7 points, and knowing that the D isn't playing up to its potential--which it will need to do to beat teams other than GB and Detroit.

Argreed IBNO. I hold our defense up to great standards because of what we were able to accomplish during the regular season last year, and from what I've seen so far, we're not to that level yet. Which is pretty scary.

Shiver
09-18-2006, 05:53 PM
I like Baltimore the best. Big up front, athletes off the edge, great linebackers, good secondary.

intergalacticspacemonkey
09-18-2006, 11:03 PM
I wish I could put Jacksonville on that list. They did what the Bears did. Only on the big stage and against a great team.

thule
09-19-2006, 01:02 AM
I wish I could put Jacksonville on that list. They did what the Bears did. Only on the big stage and against a great team.


I agree Jacksonville and Dallas both agree to be on that list. Both showed excellent on the big stage. I suppose dallas isn't considered the best because of how they got raped by those big Jags WR's...but pitt also didn't do great. Williams and Jones combined for 14 catches and about 170 yards which was a little less then 50% of their total offense.

yourfavestoner
09-19-2006, 01:03 AM
I wish I could put Jacksonville on that list. They did what the Bears did. Only on the big stage and against a great team.

:lol: And people were making fun of Mike Peterson for calling them the best in the NFL during the intros...

Shiver
09-19-2006, 01:31 AM
Jacksonville have an elite unit, I wish Hayward didn't go down though.

yourfavestoner
09-19-2006, 01:46 AM
Jacksonville have an elite unit, I wish Hayward didn't go down though.

Me too. He was our only every-down defensive end, but there's plenty of depth on the D-line. With Meier starting now and teaming up with Spicer, it's like having four defensive tackles our there. McCray played well on passing downs, and had a sack, too.

BlindSite
09-19-2006, 05:08 AM
Didn't Jacksonville register a turnover with their 4th and 5th Defensive ends on the field?

jkpigskin
09-19-2006, 10:00 PM
I like Baltimore the best. Big up front, athletes off the edge, great linebackers, good secondary.

as of now... the D has no weaknesses but that will change... but partly due to my homerism and party due to my knowledge... i have to say balitmore has the most explosive and talented D in the leauge

America
09-19-2006, 10:08 PM
Baltimore definately contends for the number 1 Defense. The Bears are awfully good too, but if you look at what the Ravens have done their first two games, number 1 in yards allowed, number 1 in points, number 1 in turnovers, number 1 in yards per play(2.8). [SD is 2nd at 3.3 followed by Seattle at 4.3] 1 in 1st downs per game, number 1 in ypcarry(1.7, second is 2.7), tied for third in sacks, 2nd in QB completion %, already have a dTD and a safety, 3rd in 3rd down percentage. Just throwin some facts out there, they have been good thus far, as have been the Bears, but both teams played bad Os so I'll wait and see how they do against someone better, like SD in week 4.

Moses
09-20-2006, 08:52 AM
I wish I could put Jacksonville on that list. They did what the Bears did. Only on the big stage and against a great team.

:lol: And people were making fun of Mike Peterson for calling them the best in the NFL during the intros...

I love the Jacksonville defence. I don't know if they're the best, but they're definitely up there. So big, tough, and mean. I love the way they play.

jackalope
09-22-2006, 09:36 PM
Baltimore has been great even if they did play bad offences. also, they're carrying my fantasy team :D

I-B-EZ@21133
09-22-2006, 10:59 PM
Baltimore has been great even if they did play bad offences. also, they're carrying my fantasy team :D

Lol, same here. The Ravens defense is one of the most well-rounded defenses with no glaring weaknesses. I'd say Baltimore with Chicago a close second.

Scotty D
09-22-2006, 11:04 PM
Jacksonville. Mike Peterson is a underrated guy not a lot of people talk about.

draftguru151
09-22-2006, 11:24 PM
Jacksonville. Mike Peterson is a underrated guy not a lot of people talk about.

He is pretty good but his stats are a little inflated having the best DT duo in the league in front of him.

B-Dawk23
09-22-2006, 11:55 PM
The rams D has been doin pretty good latley I think they deserve some credit. The did loose to san fran but still. That is not there fault there offense counld not score.

sweetness34
09-23-2006, 10:16 AM
The thing that makes our defense so good is how deep we are. Especially on the D-Line and in the Secondary. I mean Tank Johnson, Mark Anderson, and Idonije could start for some teams in the NFL, and yet they're backups to Brown, Wale, Tommie, and Brown.

In the secondary, Manning Jr. while a very good Nickel CB could start for a lot of teams in the NFL as well. And Chris Harris is a pretty solid SS, which I feel is his more natural position.

At LB, Ayenbadejo filled in nicely last week and Jamar Williams has been very good on Special Teams.

Our depth is what makes us really scary.

TitansKKH1
09-23-2006, 10:38 AM
you can rule out the Titans.


:evil:

diabsoule
09-23-2006, 01:46 PM
Until I see otherwise, Chicago has the best defense. They are playing all out every down and I don't see a weakness on that team defensively.

Baltimore is 2nd because they have looked great in their first two games as well but I think Chicago's has been more impressive.

Atlanta is 3rd because I still have questions about them. Don't tell me, "they played two division games against Carolina and Tampa Bay". Yeah, I know they did. My favorite team is in that division. But Tampa Bay looks like a glorified college team (the defense is the only thing keeping them from being lower), and Carolina looked flat out terrible in Week 1 and they were missing Steve Smith, their best offensive weapon.

America
09-23-2006, 02:08 PM
My top 5

1a. Baltimore
1b. Chicago
2. Jacksonville
3. San Diego
4. ATL
5. Seattle

remix 6
09-23-2006, 03:15 PM
i say Ravens are the best. They have great talent just about everywhere on the D

On the line: Suggs is a sack master, Ngata is their first rounder, Pryce is a great DE they got in FA from Denver.

LBs: Ray Lewis looks great and healthy, Adalius Thomas is 1 of the most underrated DEFENSIVE players in the league..hes done it all..safety, LB, DE and he showed his skills verse Raiders with a monster game.

Secondary..IMO the most talented..McAlister, Rolle, Reed and Landry played well last week.

Their D ranks #1 verse run, #3 verse pass #1 Overall. They stopped a team that had a great WR and great rookie RB last year and they stopped Moss and Jordan even though Brooks and their OL sucks.

Jaguars are definatley top 3 BTW. beat 2 quality opponents...shut down the Steelers and did pretty good in first game

sweetness34
09-23-2006, 04:29 PM
i say Ravens are the best. They have great talent just about everywhere on the D

On the line: Suggs is a sack master, Ngata is their first rounder, Pryce is a great DE they got in FA from Denver.

LBs: Ray Lewis looks great and healthy, Adalius Thomas is 1 of the most underrated DEFENSIVE players in the league..hes done it all..safety, LB, DE and he showed his skills verse Raiders with a monster game.

Secondary..IMO the most talented..McAlister, Rolle, Reed and Landry played well last week.

Their D ranks #1 verse run, #3 verse pass #1 Overall. They stopped a team that had a great WR and great rookie RB last year and they stopped Moss and Jordan even though Brooks and their OL sucks.

Jaguars are definatley top 3 BTW. beat 2 quality opponents...shut down the Steelers and did pretty good in first game

It's not to hard to stop those WR's when Simms is your QB.

Screw all that against the run and against the pass crap. I want to know how many points they let up, because that in the end is the most important thing.

Chicago has let up 7 points in two games on defense. And I believe Baltimore is right up there with Chicago.

remix 6
09-23-2006, 04:35 PM
i say Ravens are the best. They have great talent just about everywhere on the D

On the line: Suggs is a sack master, Ngata is their first rounder, Pryce is a great DE they got in FA from Denver.

LBs: Ray Lewis looks great and healthy, Adalius Thomas is 1 of the most underrated DEFENSIVE players in the league..hes done it all..safety, LB, DE and he showed his skills verse Raiders with a monster game.

Secondary..IMO the most talented..McAlister, Rolle, Reed and Landry played well last week.

Their D ranks #1 verse run, #3 verse pass #1 Overall. They stopped a team that had a great WR and great rookie RB last year and they stopped Moss and Jordan even though Brooks and their OL sucks.

Jaguars are definatley top 3 BTW. beat 2 quality opponents...shut down the Steelers and did pretty good in first game

It's not to hard to stop those WR's when Simms is your QB.

Screw all that against the run and against the pass crap. I want to know how many points they let up, because that in the end is the most important thing.

Chicago has let up 7 points in two games on defense. And I believe Baltimore is right up there with Chicago.


also not hard to stop kitna and favre now a days..

sweetness34
09-23-2006, 08:57 PM
i say Ravens are the best. They have great talent just about everywhere on the D

On the line: Suggs is a sack master, Ngata is their first rounder, Pryce is a great DE they got in FA from Denver.

LBs: Ray Lewis looks great and healthy, Adalius Thomas is 1 of the most underrated DEFENSIVE players in the league..hes done it all..safety, LB, DE and he showed his skills verse Raiders with a monster game.

Secondary..IMO the most talented..McAlister, Rolle, Reed and Landry played well last week.

Their D ranks #1 verse run, #3 verse pass #1 Overall. They stopped a team that had a great WR and great rookie RB last year and they stopped Moss and Jordan even though Brooks and their OL sucks.

Jaguars are definatley top 3 BTW. beat 2 quality opponents...shut down the Steelers and did pretty good in first game

It's not to hard to stop those WR's when Simms is your QB.

Screw all that against the run and against the pass crap. I want to know how many points they let up, because that in the end is the most important thing.

Chicago has let up 7 points in two games on defense. And I believe Baltimore is right up there with Chicago.


also not hard to stop kitna and favre now a days..

Haha can't take a joke...? :lol:

Kitna is still a good QB, as is Favre. In Favre's case he just doesn't have the tools around him anymore and he has lost a step, but he's still a good QB.

detknowitall
09-24-2006, 12:06 AM
Seattle isn't the best, but they deserve to be an option.

as does Jacksonville

TCU
09-24-2006, 12:11 AM
fantasy wise i say Baltimore non fantasy wise, Chicago.

sweetness34
09-24-2006, 12:20 AM
fantasy wise i say Baltimore non fantasy wise, Chicago.

Chicago puts up some pretty damn good fantasy points there TCU, actually I believe they were at the top of the fantasy rankings last season because we preach turnovers and sacks, which is very good for fantasy points.