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jsagan77
09-20-2006, 04:24 AM
Just wondering what some non redskins fans think...

Thanks in advance..

bearfan
09-20-2006, 06:09 AM
He is old, he is not playing well. I believe that they should give 1st rounder Jason Campbell a shot soon

The Unseen
09-20-2006, 06:15 AM
No. He should keep playing until they are blatantly out of it.

therock6000
09-20-2006, 09:12 AM
why not? he's got to learn sometime

Jughead10
09-20-2006, 09:14 AM
No. He should keep playing until they are blatantly out of it.

Which could be a lot sooner than later if the Skins and Brunell keep on playing like this. But I agree, they have to keep Brunell in there for a bit longer. Putting in Campbell would basically be admitting they are giving up on the season.

bsaza2358
09-20-2006, 09:38 AM
No one, including Mark Brunell, believes that he himself can carry that team. With the lack of a running game, the shoddy pass protection, and the play-calling, Brunell wasn't in a position to be effective. I think Saunders' play-calling doesn't have enough vertical elements to keep D's honest right now. Why commit a safety into 2-deep coverage, when the Skins aren't throwing over the top? Why not blitz and pressure? I think they need to open their playbook up and throw the deep ball a few times just to loosen things up. Brunell hasn't lost much in his arm. I think he's not as fast as he was 2 years ago, but that doesn't mean his line shouldn't protect better.

Let's wait until Portis is back before we really judge. If they lose to Houston, Brunell might be sunk.

Splat
09-20-2006, 09:40 AM
It won't matter it takes a good year or two for a QB to get Al Saunders O down.

Basileus777
09-20-2006, 09:45 AM
It won't matter it takes a good year or two for a QB to get Al Saunders O down.

I don't believe that Brunell will ever be a good qb in Saunders system. The entire offense is based around the big play and being aggressive, something Brunell isn't capable of doing. He has poor arm strength, has poor accuracy on deep balls, most importantly, he is afraid to throw deep. He also makes poor use of the middle of the field. The offense is going to struggle so long as Brunell checks down to rbs 70% of the time. This isn't the WCO, you can't check down every play and except to be a productive qb in this offense.

MaxV
09-20-2006, 09:45 AM
I'm pretty sure that Campbell will see some playing time at some point this year, but for now I think they should stick with Brunell.

The Legend
09-20-2006, 09:49 AM
i want jason in but i dont think it will happen to maybe later in the season

bsaza2358
09-20-2006, 10:11 AM
It won't matter it takes a good year or two for a QB to get Al Saunders O down.

I don't believe that Brunell will ever be a good qb in Saunders system. The entire offense is based around the big play and being aggressive, something Brunell isn't capable of doing. He has poor arm strength, has poor accuracy on deep balls, most importantly, he is afraid to throw deep. He also makes poor use of the middle of the field. The offense is going to struggle so long as Brunell checks down to rbs 70% of the time. This isn't the WCO, you can't check down every play and except to be a productive qb in this offense.

According to KC Joyner, the Football Scientist, Brunell had some of the best deep ball numbers in 2005-2006 in terms of effectiveness and not forcing the ball into bad spots. His arm may not be the strongest in the NFL, but he and Moss connected for 10 plays of 40 yards or more last season. That's pretty good for a guy with no arm and no reading ability.

Brunell checking down says he's not comfortable with Saunders' offense AND Saunders isn't putting the players in the right positions to succeed. I don't see aggressive play-calling. I see Saunders being too conservative and not pushing downfield.

bigbluedefense
09-20-2006, 10:48 AM
Its too early to tell just yet. Let's see how he does with Portis back in the lineup. I think Al Saunders is to blame for alot of their woes as well, his scheme does not fit the personnell. (Remember BBD's NFL Truth #2?) But you have to give him at least till week 5 to see how the Skins do. Putting in Campbell is pretty much throwing in the towel on the season. At the end of the day, its still only 0-2, theres a lot more games to go. Anything can happen. Remember last year the Skins were all but done, only to catch a hot streak in the end and make the playoffs over Dallas. So being 0-2 is hardly the end of the world.

If they go 1-4 with no indication of a comeback however, then I say get your future QB some snaps, because its only fair, and at that point, it would be obvious that Brunell is only hurting the team, and putting in Campbell wouldn't make things any worse, only better if possible.

The Legend
09-20-2006, 10:52 AM
Its too early to tell just yet. Let's see how he does with Portis back in the lineup. I think Al Saunders is to blame for alot of their woes as well, his scheme does not fit the personnell. (Remember BBD's NFL Truth #2?) But you have to give him at least till week 5 to see how the Skins do. Putting in Campbell is pretty much throwing in the towel on the season. At the end of the day, its still only 0-2, theres a lot more games to go. Anything can happen. Remember last year the Skins were all but done, only to catch a hot streak in the end and make the playoffs over Dallas. So being 0-2 is hardly the end of the world.

If they go 1-4 with no indication of a comeback however, then I say get your future QB some snaps, because its only fair, and at that point, it would be obvious that Brunell is only hurting the team, and putting in Campbell wouldn't make things any worse, only better if possible.

i think my boy blue said everything perfect, but i think al skim is very hard to learn and should never left the chiefs where his skim was perfect

portermvp84
09-20-2006, 11:09 AM
No there just off to a rough start all he needs is his right hand man Clinton Portis.

psub10champs
09-20-2006, 12:31 PM
Hell yes, they need to put in cambell/ It's been 2 years. it's time. This is almost the same position Chris Simms and the Bucs are in. The Bucs need to Keep in Simms, to judge if he can be the QB of the future, for the skins they need to put in cambell to see if he is their QB of the future, cuz Brunell is on his last legs

Jughead10
09-20-2006, 12:32 PM
Hell yes, they need to put in cambell/ It's been 2 years. it's time

It has really only been 1 year so far. This is his second year now. He will get in at some point this season.

Basileus777
09-20-2006, 12:48 PM
Hell yes, they need to put in cambell/ It's been 2 years. it's time. This is almost the same position Chris Simms and the Bucs are in. The Bucs need to Keep in Simms, to judge if he can be the QB of the future, for the skins they need to put in cambell to see if he is their QB of the future, cuz Brunell is on his last legs

Exactly. In over two years in Washington, Brunell has played well for one half of a season, I think its time to move on and see what they have in Campbell.

diabsoule
09-20-2006, 02:26 PM
I would put in my 2 cents but BBD pretty much summed up everything I was going to write.

SeanTaylorRIP
09-20-2006, 02:42 PM
PLEASE!!!!!!!!
http://www.athlonsports.com/store/images/jcampbellskins8x10.gif

portermvp84
09-20-2006, 06:14 PM
His time is back. Throw JC in he'll get the job done.

yourfavestoner
09-20-2006, 06:27 PM
I still don't know how we got a third round pick for him. But thank you Redskins, because we used that extra third rounder to trade up for Greg Jones. :D

SeanTaylorRIP
09-20-2006, 07:00 PM
I still don't know how we got a third round pick for him. But thank you Redskins, because we used that extra third rounder to trade up for Greg Jones. :D

We didn't give you a third rounder we traded with Denver, not sure what you are thinking of.

yourfavestoner
09-20-2006, 07:03 PM
I still don't know how we got a third round pick for him. But thank you Redskins, because we used that extra third rounder to trade up for Greg Jones. :D

We didn't give you a third rounder we traded with Denver, not sure what you are thinking of.

WTF are you talking about? You gave us a third round pick for Brunell.

09-20-2006, 07:21 PM
75% of the earth is covered by water.
Rashean Mathis covers the rest.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

I was honestly gonna put that in my sig this week.

SeanTaylorRIP
09-20-2006, 07:38 PM
I still don't know how we got a third round pick for him. But thank you Redskins, because we used that extra third rounder to trade up for Greg Jones. :D

We didn't give you a third rounder we traded with Denver, not sure what you are thinking of.

WTF are you talking about? You gave us a third round pick for Brunell.

Calm down big boi, that you were talking about Cambell.

HawkeyeFan
09-20-2006, 07:56 PM
Brunell will come around. Doesn't help having an injured Portis forcing you to virtually pass all the time.

The Unseen
09-21-2006, 10:12 AM
Maybe he should be benched:

http://www.bangcartoon.com/cartoons/index.cfm/fa/viewcartoon/cartoon/2004Archive%7Cpassingfancy.swf

:lol:

Basileus777
09-21-2006, 11:59 AM
Maybe he should be benched:

http://www.bangcartoon.com/cartoons/index.cfm/fa/viewcartoon/cartoon/2004Archive%7Cpassingfancy.swf

:lol:

That was great. :lol:

portermvp84
09-21-2006, 12:31 PM
Brunell will come around. Doesn't help having an injured Portis forcing you to virtually pass all the time.

Thats my point exaclty we have to give him time he just needs his star runningback.

SeanTaylorRIP
09-21-2006, 01:58 PM
If we loose to the Texans Brunell might as well stay in Houston cause he won't be safe in D.C.

Splat
09-21-2006, 02:57 PM
If we loose to the Texans Brunell might as well stay in Houston cause he won't be safe in D.C.

LOL.

transcendent
09-21-2006, 08:17 PM
No, I dont think Brunell is a good QB, but give Campbell another year then hand it over to him.

The Unseen
09-21-2006, 08:21 PM
I just learned that the Brunell video I posted was actually made in 2004. It looked like someone just made it the way things are going for Mark.

The Fat Kid
09-21-2006, 08:51 PM
im sure not having portis in the backfield isnt helping. when you dont have a running game then your offense gets predictable and gets pass happy. then its easy to make a qb look bad when you know he is going to pass

transcendent
09-21-2006, 08:57 PM
im sure not having portis in the backfield isnt helping. when you dont have a running game then your offense gets predictable and gets pass happy. then its easy to make a qb look bad when you know he is going to pass



Thats true but Brunell has always been ridiculously overrated in my opinion and age isnt helping him. I dont think it would have helped him that much

intergalacticspacemonkey
09-21-2006, 09:49 PM
Brunell shouldn't even be starting in the league. I probably have more arm strength than him.

datchapin
09-21-2006, 10:36 PM
Brunell should play the Texans at least..... I mean it's not like I got ulterior motives. He should be given another chance though. :twisted:

Iamcanadian
09-22-2006, 07:36 AM
No one, including Mark Brunell, believes that he himself can carry that team. With the lack of a running game, the shoddy pass protection, and the play-calling, Brunell wasn't in a position to be effective. I think Saunders' play-calling doesn't have enough vertical elements to keep D's honest right now. Why commit a safety into 2-deep coverage, when the Skins aren't throwing over the top? Why not blitz and pressure? I think they need to open their playbook up and throw the deep ball a few times just to loosen things up. Brunell hasn't lost much in his arm. I think he's not as fast as he was 2 years ago, but that doesn't mean his line shouldn't protect better.

Let's wait until Portis is back before we really judge. If they lose to Houston, Brunell might be sunk.

Joe Gibbs's teams run the ball. Until Portis is healthy, Brunell won't look good. He isn't capable of carrying a team on his arm. Gibbs desperately needs a healthy Portis. I'd look for Campbell to get some playing time especially when Washington is clearly eliminated from the playoffs.

2drama
09-22-2006, 01:35 PM
No one, including Mark Brunell, believes that he himself can carry that team. With the lack of a running game, the shoddy pass protection, and the play-calling, Brunell wasn't in a position to be effective. I think Saunders' play-calling doesn't have enough vertical elements to keep D's honest right now. Why commit a safety into 2-deep coverage, when the Skins aren't throwing over the top? Why not blitz and pressure? I think they need to open their playbook up and throw the deep ball a few times just to loosen things up. Brunell hasn't lost much in his arm. I think he's not as fast as he was 2 years ago, but that doesn't mean his line shouldn't protect better.

Let's wait until Portis is back before we really judge. If they lose to Houston, Brunell might be sunk.

Joe Gibbs's teams run the ball. Until Portis is healthy, Brunell won't look good. He isn't capable of carrying a team on his arm. Gibbs desperately needs a healthy Portis. I'd look for Campbell to get some playing time especially when Washington is clearly eliminated from the playoffs.

If they don't make the playoff Campbell should start for all the last games for more reps

portermvp84
09-22-2006, 03:12 PM
The Redskins O will get back rolling when Clinton Portis comes back.

SeanTaylorRIP
09-24-2006, 07:07 PM
Brunell set an NFL record. 22 straight completions.

The Unseen
09-24-2006, 07:13 PM
Brunell set an NFL record. 22 straight completions.

I thought it was a tie?

Anyways...so much for that. All I hope is that the same calls are being made after next week's game.

SeanTaylorRIP
09-24-2006, 07:14 PM
Brunell set an NFL record. 22 straight completions.

I thought it was a tie?

Anyways...so much for that. All I hope is that the same calls are being made after next week's game.

No the one that was broken was not counted because of a roughing the passer, he got 22.

intergalacticspacemonkey
09-24-2006, 08:18 PM
If you get owned by Brunell then your defense must suck.

comahan
09-24-2006, 08:35 PM
If you get owned by Brunell then your defense must suck.

Trust me, it does.

ninerfan
09-24-2006, 08:58 PM
its chunky soup time

SeanTaylorRIP
10-22-2006, 06:09 PM
It's time for him to leave the planet humans live on, he is officially the worst QBin the NFL, he refuses to look more than 5 yards down the field.

Pokeys
10-22-2006, 06:23 PM
The Redskins are a Bad Bad team...

RCAChainGang
10-22-2006, 06:31 PM
No, he is doing OK, but he doesn't have any help, maybe because campell wont play any wourse.

SeanTaylorRIP
10-22-2006, 06:39 PM
No, he is doing OK, but he doesn't have any help, maybe because campell wont play any wourse.

How is he doing ok, sure he was 21-30 but when not 1 of those passes was over 10 yards you can't win, the NFL doesn't work like college.

Basileus777
10-22-2006, 06:39 PM
Saunders needs to forbid Brunell from checking down. Its ridiculous, his first read is always his rb, which won't cut it in that offense. Brunell shouldn't be starting in the NFL anymore. You can't put together an NFL gameplan when you are limited to 1/3 of the field and 10 yards downfield.

jkpigskin
10-22-2006, 06:45 PM
maybe this lost will convince the redskins that they are not a playoff team... they need to see wat campbell can do before the offseason...

rainbeaukid2
10-22-2006, 06:52 PM
campbell has gotten a little playing time and in that time he didnt do too badly so i think it is time for him to get the start

Staubach12
10-22-2006, 06:55 PM
Look, their season is over. Why not look to next year...

SeanTaylorRIP
10-22-2006, 07:00 PM
campbell has gotten a little playing time and in that time he didnt do too badly so i think it is time for him to get the start

Playing time?You mean the 3rd string preseason action?

Bearsfan123
10-22-2006, 10:52 PM
u realize Joe Gibbs will NEVER bench Brunell in favor of Campbell right?

eacantdraft
10-23-2006, 08:23 AM
u realize Joe Gibbs will NEVER bench Brunell in favor of Campbell right?

How much is anyone one willing to bet the Redskins will try to get a veteran QB for next season. Campbell will eventually find success or failure with another team like Patrick Ramsay. Another wasted 1st round pick on a QB for the Redskins.

LonghornsLegend
10-23-2006, 01:46 PM
Saunders needs to forbid Brunell from checking down. Its ridiculous, his first read is always his rb, which won't cut it in that offense. Brunell shouldn't be starting in the NFL anymore. You can't put together an NFL gameplan when you are limited to 1/3 of the field and 10 yards downfield.


im glad im not the only one who notices that, thats all they do anymore

SeanTaylorRIP
10-23-2006, 05:44 PM
u realize Joe Gibbs will NEVER bench Brunell in favor of Campbell right?

How much is anyone one willing to bet the Redskins will try to get a veteran QB for next season. Campbell will eventually find success or failure with another team like Patrick Ramsay. Another wasted 1st round pick on a QB for the Redskins.

What are you talking about Ramsey started 9 games his rookie year;he sucked. He started the entire seasons of 2003 and 2004 and sucked. He started 4 games in 2005 and sucked, then he got hurt.