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Achilles33
04-25-2007, 02:33 PM
Listen to this question from a chat wrap on ESPN.com.

Todd (FL): How far would Branch slip - could he be skipped in first round completely?

SportsNation Mel Kiper: No. He's too physically gifted to slide too far. The thing that hurt him in my mind was that he wasn't that productive. Okoye had 55 tackles and Branch only had 25. The production just wasn't there. You're drafting him more on just physical prowess. He could go to 11 or 13 to St. Louis. He could go 23 to KC. He could go 25 to the Jets. He could go to any of those teams.

Now I know some people aren't the biggest fans of biggest fans of ESPN or Kiper, and you can include me in that boat, but what does everyone think of Branch falling to #22? And if he does is there any chance we don't take him?

jdnoyes
04-25-2007, 02:39 PM
Listen to this question from a chat wrap on ESPN.com.



Now I know some people aren't the biggest fans of biggest fans of ESPN or Kiper, and you can include me in that boat, but what does everyone think of Branch falling to #22? And if he does is there any chance we don't take him?

He could definately fall to 22, although I find it hard to believe he'd get past the Bengals and Broncos, but just because he's there at 22 doesn't mean we take him (see Steven Jackson)

Achilles33
04-25-2007, 02:45 PM
Yea, but if he was at 22, I don't think we can pass him up. We would have our NT of the future, and a top 3-5 talent at 22.

D-Unit
04-25-2007, 03:10 PM
If Lynch, Nelson and Branch are at 22, I can see Jerry trading down and we miss on all of them. It's my nightmare repeat of 2004.

Achilles33
04-25-2007, 03:13 PM
I know. I will be honest, when we passed on Jackson, I cried. I literally cried. I was 14, and I cried.

D-Unit
04-25-2007, 03:16 PM
I know. I will be honest, when we passed on Jackson, I cried. I literally cried. I was 14, and I cried.
I was bouncing up and down so excited when we were on the clock...

then I heard the announcement and I threw my nerf football straight into the TV.

No lie.

M.O.T.H.
04-25-2007, 03:19 PM
I was bouncing up and down so excited when we were on the clock...

then I heard the announcement and I threw my nerf football straight into the TV.

No lie.

I was pissed, they even had the camera on Jackson, talking on the phone and going into his love for the Cowboys growing up. Ahhhhhhhhhh! I'm still mad about that.

Achilles33
04-25-2007, 03:19 PM
I went to myy back deck and started crying and throwing stuff, and my mom tried to calm me down, lol. But if Wade makes Spears a pro-bowler I won't be as mad, and I think he will.

And M.O.T.H. I remember every bit of it. I even remember he was at the counter of the kitchen with his family in the background and he was on his phone. I even remember the color of his counter top, white.

:(

jdnoyes
04-25-2007, 03:22 PM
I was bouncing up and down so excited when we were on the clock...

then I heard the announcement and I threw my nerf football straight into the TV.

No lie.

I thought it would take less than 30 seconds to get the card up, I was so freakin excited that we got a guy who most thought was a top 15 pick, I was jumping up and down yelling we jost got Steven Jackson, and then they said Buffalo is now on the clock, I smashed the keyboard of my laptop, was lucky I didn't break it, then I turned off the TV for a good 30 minutes or so cause I couldn't bear to watch....then after going outside for a breather I came back inside and convinced myself it was a good trade...in Bill we trust....but I don't know that I was happy about it till we landed Spears and DWare a year later.

D-Unit
04-25-2007, 03:33 PM
I thought it would take less than 30 seconds to get the card up, I was so freakin excited that we got a guy who most thought was a top 15 pick, I was jumping up and down yelling we jost got Steven Jackson, and then they said Buffalo is now on the clock, I smashed the keyboard of my laptop, was lucky I didn't break it, then I turned off the TV for a good 30 minutes or so cause I couldn't bear to watch....then after going outside for a breather I came back inside and convinced myself it was a good trade...in Bill we trust....but I don't know that I was happy about it till we landed Spears and DWare a year later.
The rest of the draft made me more mad... Jacob Rogers, Stephen Peterman... I was not high on Julius Jones... Every pick, I was like... Who??? Patrick Crayton? I was just pissed at everything that day.

Achilles33
04-25-2007, 03:34 PM
Sounds just like me.

M.O.T.H.
04-25-2007, 03:45 PM
The rest of the draft made me more mad... Jacob Rogers, Stephen Peterman... I was not high on Julius Jones... Every pick, I was like... Who??? Patrick Crayton? I was just pissed at everything that day.

We didnt do too bad late in that draft, with Crayton, Reeves, and Nate Jones but, overall that draft was a big failure.

Achilles33
04-25-2007, 03:46 PM
It was just a bunch of mediocre players.

M.O.T.H.
04-25-2007, 03:47 PM
It was just a bunch of mediocre players.

We got the most value out of the 7th. ha.

jdnoyes
04-25-2007, 05:05 PM
We got the most value out of the 7th. ha.

Was reading some site today that does draft grades 3 years later and we got an F for 2004, I don't agree with the F, because we did pick up the #1 pick and JJ has been pretty decent 2nd round value and Crayton in the 7th should get you some brownie points. I would at least give it a C- or D

Im_a_Romosexual
04-25-2007, 05:11 PM
but does it make up for peterman and Rogers?

FinChase
04-25-2007, 05:30 PM
Was reading some site today that does draft grades 3 years later and we got an F for 2004, I don't agree with the F, because we did pick up the #1 pick and JJ has been pretty decent 2nd round value and Crayton in the 7th should get you some brownie points. I would at least give it a C- or D

It definitely wasn't one of Parcells or the Cowboys' shining moments. I started screaming at the TV, and my dog ran and hid.

Macarthur
04-26-2007, 09:35 AM
If Lynch, Nelson and Branch are at 22, I can see Jerry trading down and we miss on all of them. It's my nightmare repeat of 2004.

I wouldn't mind this if it's only down a couple of spots.

However, I think if Branch is there, you absolutely have to take him. His measurable are rare; you just don't get guys like that late in the 1st.

robert_in_bigd
04-26-2007, 10:24 AM
It definitely wasn't one of Parcells or the Cowboys' shining moments. I started screaming at the TV, and my dog ran and hid.

Parcells? Try Lacewell and Jones. Parcells was never a wheeler dealer on draft day in any of his other clubs.

2004 was classic Jones with Lacewell as his accomplice.

robert_in_bigd
04-26-2007, 10:26 AM
I wouldn't mind this if it's only down a couple of spots.

However, I think if Branch is there, you absolutely have to take him. His measurable are rare; you just don't get guys like that late in the 1st.


Take Branch. Send him to the weight room. He is flabby. Meechigan eatin .... too many midnight burritos at Pancheros. Great town though.

In two years the guy will be a rock physically and and All-Pro barring injuries.

HEISMANHERSCHEL
04-26-2007, 03:39 PM
We NEED to take Branch if he falls to 22. This is pure logic. He will play a lot, as sure a thing for the cowboys as there is in this draft.

Seriously, what prospect aside from him can you honestly say would play a lot, barring trading a player for a pick (ie-JJ for the 14 pick, and then taking Lynch) who would play aas much as Branch. He has potential, and will play this year. He is not a Bobby Carpenter. He will make us better now!!!

Paul
04-26-2007, 04:39 PM
Edit: I calmed down

DMWSackMachine
04-26-2007, 04:56 PM
I think we need to take him, if available, without a question. The biggest thing that we need is a potential "wow" player (in Jerry's words), that can either come in and start right away, or have a legititmately realistic shot at being a star within a couple years. Branch would be that player for us, at maybe our biggest position of need.

Besides that, there are no other serious NT prospects in the draft that I am interested in. I don't know if D-Unit is still hobbing on Tank Tyler's knob, but I have never liked him, and would be strongly opposed to drafting him. Branch has the potential to be the best NT in the game in the 3 years. You have to take a shot, even if there is a high level of risk involved.

D-Unit
04-26-2007, 05:05 PM
I think we need to take him, if available, without a question. The biggest thing that we need is a potential "wow" player (in Jerry's words), that can either come in and start right away, or have a legititmately realistic shot at being a star within a couple years. Branch would be that player for us, at maybe our biggest position of need.

Besides that, there are no other serious NT prospects in the draft that I am interested in. I don't know if D-Unit is still hobbing on Tank Tyler's knob, but I have never liked him, and would be strongly opposed to drafting him. Branch has the potential to be the best NT in the game in the 3 years. You have to take a shot, even if there is a high level of risk involved.
Tyler was always second fiddle to Branch as far as NT prospects go. Branch's fall is the only reason why we can begin to talk about him now and that makes me excited.

robert_in_bigd
04-26-2007, 05:06 PM
The 370lbs Thomas has as good a shot as Branch to be great in three years. Just think Branch is more ready to play now.

Both are high risk though Branch less so. DT is a total guess who makes it. Requires kids remake their bodies and be able to take a pounding.

Achilles33
04-26-2007, 05:57 PM
If Branch is there at 22, which is a decent possibility now, I don't see how we can pass on him.

M.O.T.H.
04-26-2007, 05:59 PM
If Branch is there at 22, which is a decent possibility now, I don't see how we can pass on him.

I could see that but, the question is... will we be there at 22?

I still dont think he fall into the 20's.

robert_in_bigd
04-26-2007, 06:06 PM
A Wade system needs a mammoth NT.

I think, however, if we have a shot at Branch and I was the GM --- I would trade the pick to a team who passed on him early 1 and get a 2nd, 3rd and next year's 1. Pick Thomas in the 4th on a flyer for 370lbs.

With two twos and two threes we can shore up Safety, Corner, OLB and OL.

It would end up with us having a deep draft this year and the possiblity for a top pick next year where there are at least 3 TOP TIER Tailbacks coming out and some great Left Tackles.

Achilles33
04-26-2007, 06:26 PM
Or pick Branch and Thomas :). One of them will work out. And if they both do, we have a great future NT rotation.

jdnoyes
04-26-2007, 06:56 PM
I think we should put to rest the notion that Wade's system has to have a massive NT. Wade has stated several times he will taylor his system to the player, not the other way around. If he has a huge run stuff he'll use his skills, but if he has a quicker guy who can penetrate he will use his skills. He was quick to point out in Denver he had a small quick guy (name escapes me) and taylored his scheme to the player. I'm sure he'd prefer a massive guy who can play over a smaller guy who can play but who wouldn't.

LSUALUM99
04-26-2007, 09:47 PM
If we drafted Branch, who says he has to play NT? Why wouldn't you work him in at DE? He has the size and athleticism. He could play NT, but I'd rather have him on the field more than less. Ferguson is a very solid NT, the only issue with him is that he's getting old and we don't have much behind him. Why not just rotate Branch at times with Ferguson and at times with Spears/Canty?

jdnoyes
04-26-2007, 10:09 PM
Very interesting that Branch came in at #33 on Goss's top 100. Now either GM's are lying to Goss, or Branch just might be there at 22.