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gstock05
04-25-2007, 06:42 PM
Lots of talk about who the best team in the big 10 will be next year. Many people point directly to Wisconsin or Michigan. However, my biased self has a hard time seeing this. Personally, I think this will be a year the big 10 beats itself up. However, I don't get why Ohio State isn't being mentioned up with Michigan and Wisconsin, and I'd like to take a moment to analyze Penn State and their ambiguity.


First off. Lets take a quick analysis of what each team loses, gains, and where their strengths will be next season.

I'll start off with Wisconsin.

Wisconsin

Key losses- John Stocko, Joe Thomas.

Key returning players- PJ Hill, Travis Beckum.

Analysis.. Following a good 2006 campaign with coach Bielema and breakout star PJ Hill, the badgers figure to be at the top of the big 10. They should feature a powerful running game with PJ Hill and John Clay. They lose very few players which always bodes well. They'll have an average passing game with a star tight end in Beckum. Running however has always been Wisconsin's bread and butter. On defense, expect the badger defense to be stout, but not dominant.

Overall thoughts- very solid technically sound team.. new quarterback and loss of Thomas may leave some questioning their offense. Great coach, however, they seem like the "sexy" pick in the big 10 that will probably not live up to expectations.

Michigan

Key Losses: DT Alan Branch, LB David Harris, LB Prescott Burgess, DE Llamar Woodley, CB Leon Hall.

Key Returnees: OT Jake Long, RB Mike Hart, QB Chad Henne, WR Manningham, WR Arrington.

Analysis: Michigan always will, and always has been a big 10 power. I've said it a few times, this team really reminds me of the 2003 Michigan squad that lost the final two games to Ohio State and Texas. They have a good quarterback (probably better than Navarre), a great RB, and a great wide receiver (probably not as good as Edwards). They're the popular choice to win the big 10 with such a stacked offense. However, their defense leads a lot to be figured out. Michigan's most successful years came when their defense was lights out and they didn't rely on the O. Who is going to be a star on Michigan's d? Crable is a good player, and maybe Jamison will step out, however their secondary got torched regularly in the second half of the season, and they lose all their best players in the front seven with the exception of Crable and Jamison. Michigan will be a team that can beat any team, but may lose a few games because the defense. Plus they haven't proven they can beat Ohio State.

Overall thoughts- Michigan is a great team with lots of talent. But in the national rankings, everyone mentions how Ohio State loses all their offense, yet they never take note that Michigan loses more defensive talent to a defense that got torched the final two games, than Ohio State loses offensive talent. Despite that, this could be the year they finally beat OSU at home.

Ohio State

Key Losses: Troy Smith, Ted Ginn, Anthony Gonzalez, Quinn Pitcock, Antonio Pittman.

Key Returnees: OT Alex Boone, OT Kirk Barton, OG Steve Rehring, DE Vernon Gholston, MLB James Laurinaitis, CB Malcolm Jenkins

Analysis: Trying to be objective here (excuse me if I come off biased). After getting torched by florida and Michigan on d, OSU is going to go away from the bend but don't break zone scheme and revert back to a scheme closer to the 2005 version with Aj Hawk and Carpenter. The defense has more talent than it's ever had before (even with Hawk and Whitner there) and should be the best in the big 10. The defensive tackles need to step up however... especially against Wisconsin. On offense, they'll need to find a new identity. No Troy Smith, however, they return Chris Wells and an offensive line that should be amongst the best in the nation alike to Michigan. Don't expect this to be a show offense like 2006 that was fun to watch, but don't expect it to be totally grind out alike to 2002. The receivers will step up as always, but if a quarterback doesn't step up and prove he can take care of the ball, OSU could drop a few games.

Final thoughts- OSU is thought to lose 3 games by most outsiders, however, I see no more weaknesses on this squad than Michigan or Wisconsin. In fact, Ohio State is pretty much the same team as Wisconsin.. great running game, new quarterback, good line. Except OSU's d will be better, and the receivers will be more talented. Away games at Michigan and PSU might be the downfall of this squad however.

Penn State

Key Losses: Paul Posluzney, Jay Alford, Levi Brown, Tony Hunt

Key Returnees: QB Anthony Morelli, WR Derrick Williams, DB Justin King, LB Dan Conner

Analysis: No other team in the big ten, or even country looks as ambiguous as Penn State. By ambiguous, I mean they have the ability to be a very good team, or a very bad team. It's really hard to say, but with the off-field incidents, it seems I might be leaning towards bad. However, if Anthony Morelli lives up to the hype finally, and Derrick Williams starts playing like the 2005 player he was, PSU can easily come out of the blue as the best team in the big 10. They'll always have a good defense and should be second to Ohio State this year. Its simply a question if their offense can pull through after a loss of Tony Hunt, and dissapointing years from Morelli, the offensive line, and Williams.

Final thoughts- Penn State could be a 11-0 team easily if all their offensive talent lived up to the hype. However, that was not the case last year, and despite a win vs. Tennessee, they did not show much improvement as the year went on. It'll be interesting to see how Paterno handles the team this year, especially after the big fight incident.

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Overall thoughts on the big 10..

I may sound like a homer, but I really don't see why people are rating Wisconsin above of Ohio State. Pj Hill is good, but he's just another runningback in Wisconsin's system, and this year he wont have Joe Thomas... or Stocco who carried his team for a win vs. Arkansas.

Michigan will be a show team on offense, and if their o plays well enough, it might not matter what their d does. Only two teams who can slow down their offense would be OSU and PSU. They destroyed Wisconsin last year early on when their offense was not clicking to the extent it is now. They should do better this year.

Ohio State may be inexperienced at QB and to an extent at WR, but having watched Brian Robiskie, I'm not the least concerned about the receiver position. Robiskie will be tied with Manningham as the best receiver in the big 10 at the end of the season. It's a bold statement, but he's an incredible talent. The offense won't be as flashy, but might actually be more reliable, basing the o on a ground attack, and using bigger more possession oriented receivers. The schedule also lends a big favor leaving all tough games until the end of the season when they can finally break in the offense.

Penn State is a scary team for anybody who plays them. Especially if they live up to their potential. I don't think they will, but that's just my opinion. Nevertheless, expect an incredible crowd vs. Ohio State. I think PSU is going to be a very formidable opponent and will have a good, not great season next year. However I do predict a big upset or two for the Nits.



Overall records-

Ohio State- 1 loss to PSU (OSU sucks in happy valley, and this game concerns me a lot)

Michigan- 1 loss to OSU (I just wont buy Lloyd winning vs. OSU. Especially with their D)

Wisconsin- 2 Losses. 1 to Ohio State, 1 to Michigan.

Penn State- 2 Losses. 1 to Michigan (they haven't beaten Michigan in forever..) 1 to Wisconsin

DoWnThEfiElD
04-25-2007, 07:58 PM
The D will be fine with English coaching. But i truely don't expect nor want you to pick OSU over Mich, because thats not how this rivalry works. Lets see how your knew QB leads your team before you start saying they are going to beat Mich. And just so you know you D let up quite a few points to Mich last year, and i don't expect this year to be any different especially with a solid field unlike in your place last year.

OhioState
04-25-2007, 08:08 PM
I am excited about OSU. My boys on the d line are going to be amazing next year. Wilson Rose and Gholston rotating at end, Freeman Laurinaits and Homan? at lb and malcolm jenkins jamarrio oneal and eugene clifford at safety/corner. our d is going to be sick. i am also excited about worthingtons potential at DT. the man is huge at 6 foot 7 270 and is really fast. will be a presence and a good pass rusher from inside

asmitty45
04-25-2007, 08:10 PM
Where's Michigan State?

Michigan
04-25-2007, 08:24 PM
Where's Michigan State?

not in the top 4...

HuskerNation
04-25-2007, 09:56 PM
not in the top 4...

USC just scored again..........

gstock05
04-25-2007, 10:04 PM
The D will be fine with English coaching

English is a good coach, but he's not a miracle worker. Your secondary was horrible last season, you lost your best cornerback in a while, and don't have anybody decent to take his steps. Like I said, the problem won't be coaching, but simply not having the players to take advantage of the good coaching schemes. There are many good coaches out there, but you're only as good as the players you have. And frankly, Morgan Trent was NOT good last year.

As for our defense... yes we got beat badly a few times against your offense, but A. your offense is good, B. our defense was using bad schemes to cover for lack of experience, and C. our defense will be much better this year.

Anyway, I said I'm trying to be unbiased, but for any true fan, thats pretty hard to do.

because thats not how this rivalry works.

People say that, but it's cliche. The fact of the matter, it IS how the rivalry works. Whoever is the b!tch coach is the guy who goes on a losing streak vs the other team. For a while it was cooper, now it's carr. In the past, Schembechler and Hayes clashed because they were both good. However, it's hard to argue against 10-2 UM vs OSU in the 90's, and 5-1 OSU vs Michigan in the 21st century.

CC
04-25-2007, 10:19 PM
USC just scored again..........

So did those dominant Cowboys from OK St.

Michigan
04-25-2007, 10:32 PM
USC just scored again..........

did i flame you?

Sniper
04-25-2007, 10:35 PM
gstock, your homerism does show, but it's not as bad as others. I never ever discount OSU because they are a top-notch program (ouch that hurt to say) and they always have great recruits. I love their defense and their defense is clearly the class of the Big 10. But you remember this year...Ohio State's defense was a bunch of players no one had ever heard of before, so don't fret for Michigan. Shawn Crable is a beast at LB and can play some 3rd down DE, and he hits hard. I think I hear Troy Smith's helmet still ringing from that late??? hit. (Bang bang play I'm not questioning the call) Terrance Taylor is an animal at DT, hopefully Morgan Trent will be relegated to nickel back by say week 2 hopefully. I pray Warren can come in right away and start by week 3-4, and hopefully Johnny Sears or someone can take Trent out of the lineup. The offense is on par with anyone in the country, save USC and they will bail the defense out. Ron English is good enough to make up for some of the deficiencies on our young defense.

I think the reason people like Wisconsin this year is that they have a shot at the Big 10 title, and for some it's fun to talk about other teams besides the two big dogs.

Top 4 for me....

1. Michigan
2. Ohio State
3. Wisconsin
4. Penn State

Modified a little bit from an earlier thread

DoWnThEfiElD
04-25-2007, 10:42 PM
English is a good coach, but he's not a miracle worker. Your secondary was horrible last season, you lost your best cornerback in a while, and don't have anybody decent to take his steps. Like I said, the problem won't be coaching, but simply not having the players to take advantage of the good coaching schemes. There are many good coaches out there, but you're only as good as the players you have. And frankly, Morgan Trent was NOT good last year.

As for our defense... yes we got beat badly a few times against your offense, but A. your offense is good, B. our defense was using bad schemes to cover for lack of experience, and C. our defense will be much better this year.

Anyway, I said I'm trying to be unbiased, but for any true fan, thats pretty hard to do.



People say that, but it's cliche. The fact of the matter, it IS how the rivalry works. Whoever is the b!tch coach is the guy who goes on a losing streak vs the other team. For a while it was cooper, now it's carr. In the past, Schembechler and Hayes clashed because they were both good. However, it's hard to argue against 10-2 UM vs OSU in the 90's, and 5-1 OSU vs Michigan in the 21st century.


No i ment in this rivalry i wouldn't expect you to pick Mich. Dude we'll be fine, you don't have a proven QB, and your not going to win 11 games without one, I don't care how good you think D is. Bottom line they are good but the last two games they got points put up on them, as did Mich. Its not like your going to keep us from putting up points, we have our playmakers on O, you don't.

snuff
04-25-2007, 10:52 PM
Some where over a rainbow....... James Laurinaitis just over pursued or miss read another play. But everyone praised him for his fire!

Sniper
04-25-2007, 11:40 PM
Hey did you know his dad is a former pro wrestler by the way? I wasn't sure if you saw ESPN's 36 different features on it...rep for that post my man

JCarver27
04-26-2007, 07:13 AM
No i ment in this rivalry i wouldn't expect you to pick Mich. Dude we'll be fine, you don't have a proven QB, and your not going to win 11 games without one, I don't care how good you think D is. Bottom line they are good but the last two games they got points put up on them, as did Mich. Its not like your going to keep us from putting up points, we have our playmakers on O, you don't.
I'll give you a second to reword that

DoWnThEfiElD
04-26-2007, 08:09 AM
Ok we have proven playmakers on O, you don't.

wogitalia
04-26-2007, 08:10 AM
It's Crable time baby!

bored of education
04-26-2007, 08:29 AM
Some where over a rainbow....... James Laurinaitis just over pursued or miss read another play. But everyone praised him for his fire!


Yeah not bad for a 19 year old and another year of offseason flim work and coaching will help. last year was last year for a reason, if that makes sense

constant cough
04-26-2007, 08:33 AM
1. Michigan
2. Wisconsin
3. Ohio St.
4. The Rest

Sniper
04-26-2007, 09:46 AM
Who does Ohio State have on O besides Beanie Wells?

JCarver27
04-26-2007, 10:00 AM
Ok we have proven playmakers on O, you don't.
*sigh*

if you want to bury your head in the sand, that's fine. Chris Wells might end up being better than Mike Hart....which sets him as a playmaker already just for being in the discussion. You saw Robiskie at his best....but I'm sure you'll just blame that on all the attention being focused on Ginn and Gonzo, and that he had Troy Smith throwing to him.

Doesn't bother me much if you want to be in denial.

Sniper
04-26-2007, 10:08 AM
Valid point, but Robiskie had one play. You're telling me Robiskie is better than Manningham and Arrington? We may have to get your head examined for that one. Chris Wells is not proven, I'm sorry. One big run vs. Michigan does not mean you're proven. Do I think he will be a very very good back? Yes. Then again, we also thought Clarett was going to be nasty for years to come. Michigan has PROVEN offensive playmakers, Ohio State has POTENTIAL playmakers. Henne, Hart, Manningham, Long will all be All Big 10 first team, with Arrington almost a lock for second team. So yes, Michigan has the horses on offense as of right now.

On the other side of the ball, I really like OSU's defense. Malcolm Jenkins is a good CB and Laurinaitis, despite his overpursuing at times, has the potential to be an incredible LB, and oh my that defensive line.......wow...

OhioState
04-26-2007, 11:25 AM
Some where over a rainbow....... James Laurinaitis just over pursued or miss read another play. But everyone praised him for his fire!

the kid just made first team all american as a sophomore. even if he was a little overrated nobody can say he is not a player. give him a break

gstock05
04-26-2007, 12:15 PM
Who does Ohio State have on O besides Beanie Wells?

I know a lot of people will call me out for this, but Brian Robiskie is the real deal. If he weren't playing behind Ginn and Gonzo, he'd be mentioned amongst the best in the big 10 already.

I'll put Arrington and Manningham ahead of him for now, but by the end of the season, it might be a different story.

He reminds me a lot of Braylon Edwards. He has the best hands on the team, runs excellent routes, is pretty fast (4.45ish) is tall, and is a good jumpballer. Wide receiver is not a concern for me. The only position on offense to me that is a huge concern is quarterback. Other than that, all other positions IMO won't be a problem. Offensive line returns our two best players, and a third starter. We have Chris Wells at RB... nuff said. TE's return, receivers return some good experience.

JCarver27
04-26-2007, 12:58 PM
Valid point, but Robiskie had one play. You're telling me Robiskie is better than Manningham and Arrington? We may have to get your head examined for that one. Chris Wells is not proven, I'm sorry. One big run vs. Michigan does not mean you're proven. Do I think he will be a very very good back? Yes. Then again, we also thought Clarett was going to be nasty for years to come. Michigan has PROVEN offensive playmakers, Ohio State has POTENTIAL playmakers. Henne, Hart, Manningham, Long will all be All Big 10 first team, with Arrington almost a lock for second team. So yes, Michigan has the horses on offense as of right now.

On the other side of the ball, I really like OSU's defense. Malcolm Jenkins is a good CB and Laurinaitis, despite his overpursuing at times, has the potential to be an incredible LB, and oh my that defensive line.......wow...
He's better than Arrington....which isn't hard since he'll play this year and AA won't. He's not better than Manningham yet and I never said he was or would be. You don't have to be in order to be a playmaker.

He made more than 1 play against Michigan, but there were other games during that year besides the OSU Michigan one.

Like I said....if you want to bury your head in the sand and hide behind the word "proven", be my guest. Mike Hart, Chad Henne, and Mario Manningham were unproven at one point too. Doesn't mean jack now, does it?

asmitty45
04-26-2007, 01:07 PM
It's Crable time baby!

Have fun getting your asses handed to you by USC/Texas/Ohio State/Any Team who is any good in the Top 25, Yet again in 2007.

HuskerNation
04-26-2007, 01:46 PM
So did those dominant Cowboys from OK St.

Alamo Bowl, nuff said. We own you.

Sniper
04-26-2007, 03:01 PM
Michigan State? Were you ever good?
HuskerNation, hey yeah you own Michigan because of a second-tier bowl win on a year where Michigan had their worst season in a while? Suuuuuuuuuuuure you do.

JCarver, perhaps the 126 people that have said it on this board didn't get to you. Adrian Arrington IS playing this year, so yep, I'll take Arrington over Robiskie. gstock05, please, let's not compare some nobody on the Buckeyes to Braylon Edwards. Let me know when Robiskie catches 97 balls in a season for over 1300 yards while consistently getting double and triple teamed and we'll discuss a comparison. By the way, Braylon Edwards, asmitty45, since you're such a big Sparty fan, you remember him right? Triple OT cough cough

Sniper
04-26-2007, 03:02 PM
I guess when you're a Nebraska fan the most you can get excited for is when your team catches a big 10 power on a down year in a bowl game. Not like there's any chance of them winning the Big XII anyway, so take what you can get right?

JCarver27
04-26-2007, 03:03 PM
Michigan State? Were you ever good?
HuskerNation, hey yeah you own Michigan because of a second-tier bowl win on a year where Michigan had their worst season in a while? Suuuuuuuuuuuure you do.

JCarver, perhaps the 126 people that have said it on this board didn't get to you. Adrian Arrington IS playing this year, so yep, I'll take Arrington over Robiskie. gstock05, please, let's not compare some nobody on the Buckeyes to Braylon Edwards. Let me know when Robiskie catches 97 balls in a season for over 1300 yards while consistently getting double and triple teamed and we'll discuss a comparison. By the way, Braylon Edwards, asmitty45, since you're such a big Sparty fan, you remember him right? Triple OT cough cough
So nobody is allowed to be talked about until after they're good? I'm guessing this only applies to non-Michigan players though.

How's Marge?

HuskerNation
04-26-2007, 03:22 PM
I guess when you're a Nebraska fan the most you can get excited for is when your team catches a big 10 power on a down year in a bowl game. Not like there's any chance of them winning the Big XII anyway, so take what you can get right?

Yeah, a down year. They had all the same players they had last year when they were supposedly so great. So were they just taking it easy on us?

DoWnThEfiElD
04-26-2007, 03:32 PM
So nobody is allowed to be talked about until after they're good? I'm guessing this only applies to non-Michigan players though.

How's Marge?


I don't even see any Mich people comparing Manningham to Braylon...

Nobody is ragging on OSU, but there is no doubt they need to reload their playmakers, so lets see how that goes before there is talk of them winning the big ten.

Sniper
04-26-2007, 03:34 PM
So nobody is allowed to be talked about until after they're good? I'm guessing this only applies to non-Michigan players though.

How's Marge?


No, that's not what I said. I said the comparing an unproven receiver to one of the greatest receivers in Big 10 history isn't very accurate. Sorry I don't see the comparison. Braylon Edwards dominated the Big 10. Robiskie had a few good plays.

HuskerNation, is that a serious statement? Mike Hart was banged up the whole year, the defense underachieved and the team sucked in general. If you can't see the difference between 7-5 and 11-2, you have issues.

HuskerNation
04-26-2007, 03:40 PM
No, that's not what I said. I said the comparing an unproven receiver to one of the greatest receivers in Big 10 history isn't very accurate. Sorry I don't see the comparison. Braylon Edwards dominated the Big 10. Robiskie had a few good plays.

HuskerNation, is that a serious statement? Mike Hart was banged up the whole year, the defense underachieved and the team sucked in general. If you can't see the difference between 7-5 and 11-2, you have issues.

And you think that was our best team we ever put on the field? Give me a break. They had way more talent than us and we stomped their asses in the second half. Bottom line.

Sniper
04-26-2007, 03:51 PM
Of course you guys won the Alamo Bowl. Nebraska is the king of mediocre bowls baby! Stomped their asses? Yeah um didn't you win because Tyler Ecker was too ******** to realize he runs a 9.76 in the 40 and not pitch it to Breaston? I guess if you win one game you "own" another team. If that's the way it works we have to re-evaluate certain series over the course of history. Hey good season for Nebraska this year! Only 5 losses!

HuskerNation
04-26-2007, 04:02 PM
Of course you guys won the Alamo Bowl. Nebraska is the king of mediocre bowls baby! Stomped their asses? Yeah um didn't you win because Tyler Ecker was too ******** to realize he runs a 9.76 in the 40 and not pitch it to Breaston? I guess if you win one game you "own" another team. If that's the way it works we have to re-evaluate certain series over the course of history. Hey good season for Nebraska this year! Only 5 losses!

When a school is rebuilding and manages to knock off a school like Michigan it's something special. We're fine for now chillin with our 5 national titles while we rebuild. Don't worry bout us.

Sniper
04-26-2007, 04:03 PM
Like I said, if it's a big deal to beat a watered-down Michigan team, then good for you

HuskerNation
04-26-2007, 04:06 PM
Like I said, if it's a big deal to beat a watered-down Michigan team, then good for you

When we are rebuilding it is a big deal to get your first bowl win under a new coach and get the program going in the right direction. If you don't understand that then you are one stupid motherf*cker.

OhioState
04-26-2007, 05:04 PM
sniper26, can you say anything constructive or do you really have nothing but insults because none of us want to hear it.

snuff
04-26-2007, 05:04 PM
Guys, Guys.... Don't worry... Michigan has Stevie Brown, Jonas Mouton, Donavon Warren, and Brandon Graham... We are going to have like the bestest of bestest defensive in the universe. I mean it doesn't matter that they havent proven anythingz they were good recruits and had a good spring... Duh there going to be great.

Oh and thanks for letting me know Adrian Arrington isn't playing next year... News to me... I hear Beanie Wells isn't playing next year either... You know where I got that info? Yeah, same place you did... From my ass.

Jbond do any of these kids stay in your dorm? You need to hold bias 101 for them.

HuskerNation
04-26-2007, 05:07 PM
Guys, Guys.... Don't worry... Michigan has Stevie Brown, Jonas Mouton, Donavon Warren, and Brandon Graham... We are going to have like the bestest of bestest defensive in the universe. I mean it doesn't matter that they havent proven anythingz they were good recruits and had a good spring... Duh there going to be great.

Oh and thanks for letting me know Adrian Arrington isn't playing next year... News to me... I hear Beanie Wells isn't playing next year either... You know where I got that info? Yeah, same place you did... From my ass.

Jbond do any of these kids stay in your dorm? You need to hold bias 101 for them.

You'd think a guy supposedly going to college would know the difference between they're and there. LMAO

snuff
04-26-2007, 05:09 PM
You'd think a guy supposedly going to college would know the difference between they're and there. LMAO Who says I don't know the difference?

HuskerNation
04-26-2007, 05:10 PM
Who says I don't know the difference?

"There going to be great" LOL

snuff
04-26-2007, 05:12 PM
"There going to be great" LOL K, I got it wrong, I admit that, but that doesn't mean I don't know the difference...

JCarver27
04-26-2007, 05:17 PM
Guys, Guys.... Don't worry... Michigan has Stevie Brown, Jonas Mouton, Donavon Warren, and Brandon Graham... We are going to have like the bestest of bestest defensive in the universe. I mean it doesn't matter that they havent proven anythingz they were good recruits and had a good spring... Duh there going to be great.

Oh and thanks for letting me know Adrian Arrington isn't playing next year... News to me... I hear Beanie Wells isn't playing next year either... You know where I got that info? Yeah, same place you did... From my ass.

Jbond do any of these kids stay in your dorm? You need to hold bias 101 for them.
How adult. Well played.

HuskerNation
04-26-2007, 05:17 PM
K, I got it wrong, I admit that, but that doesn't mean I don't know the difference...

Sure it does. Or else you would have used the correct word.

snuff
04-26-2007, 05:20 PM
Sure it does. Or else you would have used the correct word.Ok, I can't deny that. Great logic. So every mistake in typing or spelling is because you don't know how to spell it, not because you accidentally used the wrong word.

How adult. Well played.
Thanks, I strive to keep these idiotic conversations on-line.

Sniper
04-26-2007, 05:54 PM
OhioState, flip through the first page of the thread. You will notice I did say constructive stuff. Sorry if it isn't to your taste. I complimented Ohio State numerous times (i.e that d-line my oh my, Beanie Wells is good but unproven) So calm the ****** down, we're allowed to like different teams.

sweetness34
04-26-2007, 09:24 PM
What's that smell...*sniff* *sniff* oh that's some severe homerism coming from Buckeye land. I'll give you the defense but losing every offensive weapon you had last season, come on now. Oh and your only concern is going to be the QB position, yea that might be pretty important right there that your QB does well if you say you're going to win as many games as you think. 1 loss this season in the Big 10? I beg to differ on that one. I can assume things too....Let's see:

Offense:

QB - Juice has a bunch of talent so he's going to win the Heisman

RB - Mendenhall has the tools to be a great RB, so that's All Big 10 and 20 TD's this season.

WR - We've got Benn and some other people with talent. They'll be so awesome that no one will guard them.

OL: We bring back 3 starters on our OL, which wasn't very good, but hey I'm optimistic so I'll say they stomp on opposing defenses. Got some studly OL recruits coming in too, and they'll be dynamite.

TE - Cumberland and HooMan are very talented, so yea, they're going to dominate.

Defense (a little more rational):

DL: Norwell, Pilcher, Brown, Lindquist, McCray, Brent, Walker...That's a pretty nice rotation right there.

LB: Steele, Leman, and Miller. The best area of our defense. Add in Tez who will play LB next season and that's a dominant group, arguably the best in the Big 10 IMO.

Secondary: Return 3 or 4 starters. Freshman sensation Vontae Davis and two very solid safeties in Harrison and Mitchell. Bellamy and Duvalt are both very promising CB's.

So yea, I'm going to say we only lose 2 games in the conference because I'm very optimistic about our season. :rolleyes:

sweetness34
04-26-2007, 09:33 PM
Oh and since no one mentioned Illinois I'll chime in. I'm not saying we're going to win the conference, because it's not going to happen. But I think we'll surprise some people. We're still at least a year away from making a jump IMO but this year will be exciting. A bunch of talent, but a bunch of youth as well. I think we'll be around the .500 mark and hopefully push for a low bowl game. A lot of it depends on how well Juice has developed. Our running game will be good, and we have an upgrade at WR. The OL is the biggest question mark of this team IMO. They were horrid last season and it worries me a bit to see that we lost 2 starters. The defense will be exciting to watch, returning 9 of 11 starters. And Alan Ball IMO won't be that big of a loss anyways. I will miss Norris though, he was a solid player. I'm excited to see Juice, Benn, and Mendenhall the most. Those three could have some pretty big years (especially Benn and Mendenhall). Juice is still a year away IMO from being that "impact" player we Illini fans think he can be, but he'll be fun to watch with his running ability and his arm.

I think we'll finish 6-6 and around .500 in the conference, at least that's what I'm hoping anyway.

DoWnThEfiElD
04-26-2007, 09:50 PM
I really hope Davis doesn't fizzle out, I really like him and i think he has the potential to be a top 5 pick in the NFL.

JCarver27
04-27-2007, 07:19 AM
*sigh*

There's a difference between saying Chris Wells and Brian Robiskie are going to be studs, and just being a complete dick and saying your whole team is going to win the Heisman.

Sniper
04-27-2007, 07:33 AM
Really? I said the entire Michigan team was gonna win the Heisman? News to me;) Chris Wells will win the Heisman with 2,200 yards and 20 tds and Brian Robiskie will have 106 catches, 1865 yards and 16 tds. Happy? Yeesh just because someone says your team won't win the Big 10 doesn't mean you have to have a cow. FWIW, I don't expect anyone in the Big 10 to win the Heisman. I'm thinking McFadden or Slaton despite Slaton playing Division 1-AA football

Regarding Illinois, I love the talent they have, and with real coaching, I think they could possibly be an 8 win team. Since they don't, I'd say 6-6, with a bowl win

JCarver27
04-27-2007, 08:53 AM
how about when you're talking to me....you address things I said. wouldn't that be neat?

I don't care if people say OSU won't win the big10 every year. they won't. I just laugh at people who say OSU has nothing on offense. that's blatant stupidity, and I'll call you on it when you say it.










Saying Chris Wells and Brian Robiskie will be studs is completely different from this stupidity:
Guys, Guys.... Don't worry... Michigan has Stevie Brown, Jonas Mouton, Donavon Warren, and Brandon Graham... We are going to have like the bestest of bestest defensive in the universe. I mean it doesn't matter that they havent proven anythingz they were good recruits and had a good spring... Duh there going to be great. Offense:

QB - Juice has a bunch of talent so he's going to win the Heisman

RB - Mendenhall has the tools to be a great RB, so that's All Big 10 and 20 TD's this season.

WR - We've got Benn and some other people with talent. They'll be so awesome that no one will guard them.

OL: We bring back 3 starters on our OL, which wasn't very good, but hey I'm optimistic so I'll say they stomp on opposing defenses. Got some studly OL recruits coming in too, and they'll be dynamite.

TE - Cumberland and HooMan are very talented, so yea, they're going to dominate.

Defense (a little more rational):

DL: Norwell, Pilcher, Brown, Lindquist, McCray, Brent, Walker...That's a pretty nice rotation right there.

LB: Steele, Leman, and Miller. The best area of our defense. Add in Tez who will play LB next season and that's a dominant group, arguably the best in the Big 10 IMO.

Secondary: Return 3 or 4 starters. Freshman sensation Vontae Davis and two very solid safeties in Harrison and Mitchell. Bellamy and Duvalt are both very promising CB's.

So yea, I'm going to say we only lose 2 games in the conference because I'm very optimistic about our season.

DoWnThEfiElD
04-27-2007, 09:18 AM
I'm pretty sure the guy who posted after the illini post said they were going 6-6, i don't think he was serious, you should read the post after...

Here's my logic... Texas lost their Heisman QB and suffered a drop off, OSU not only lost their Heisman QB but their playmaking receiver, and starting tailback. Now if you think your only going to lose one game your crazy. FWIW I do not expect Mich to have a 10 win season after we lose Hart Henne and Manningham, no matter if we return every other starter, you see?

JCarver27
04-27-2007, 12:09 PM
I'm pretty sure the guy who posted after the illini post said they were going 6-6, i don't think he was serious, you should read the post after...

Here's my logic... Texas lost their Heisman QB and suffered a drop off, OSU not only lost their Heisman QB but their playmaking receiver, and starting tailback. Now if you think your only going to lose one game your crazy. FWIW I do not expect Mich to have a 10 win season after we lose Hart Henne and Manningham, no matter if we return every other starter, you see?
that's right.....cuz I said they'd only lose 1 game. (<---sarcasm)

and I know the guy was joking.....he was acting like I think everybody on Ohio State is going to be an All American. I don't. I think Wells and Robiskie are going to be studs. That's not an insane notion that deserves to be mocked.

Sniper
04-27-2007, 12:42 PM
Wells has an amazing combination of size and speed, and I think he will be a stud as well. I'm thinking All Big 10 first team with Hart, and Robiskie will have to show me a little more before I annoint him the next Braylon Edwards. I don't think that's too far fetched, do you? Of course Ohio State will find playmakers on O, they just don't know who they will be besides Wells and possibly Robiskie. Their defense will be able to hold them until they find out who the offensive playmakers will be.

DoWnThEfiElD
04-27-2007, 12:54 PM
Hey JC sorry i thought you started this thread, it was GStock, he's the disillusioned OSU fan.

JCarver27
04-27-2007, 02:14 PM
Wells has an amazing combination of size and speed, and I think he will be a stud as well. I'm thinking All Big 10 first team with Hart, and Robiskie will have to show me a little more before I annoint him the next Braylon Edwards. I don't think that's too far fetched, do you? Of course Ohio State will find playmakers on O, they just don't know who they will be besides Wells and possibly Robiskie. Their defense will be able to hold them until they find out who the offensive playmakers will be.
I never said he'd be Braylon Edwards either....but I'd prefer that he catches the easy passes along with the hard ones.

Sniper
04-27-2007, 02:27 PM
Valid point, but Braylon improved over his career at catching the ball, culminating in a ridiculous senior season. By any chance do you want to trade Michigan your defense for future considerations?????;) We'll even give you Morgan Trent as a down payment!

gstock05
04-27-2007, 08:07 PM
Hey JC sorry i thought you started this thread, it was GStock, he's the disillusioned OSU fan.

How am I disillusioned? All the points I brought up were for the most part very well laid out. I gave fair compliments to all teams, and expressed my very honest beliefs about each team. Take it FWIW, it's my opinion. People said OSU's defense was going to blow terribly last year after losing Hawk, carpenter, whitner, youboty, etc...

I felt a lot less confident about that unit than I do about our offense this year. Given our D failed us in the final two games, however, I've watched robiskie and the other receivers enough, in addition to a lot of tidbits I've heard about stuff. In 2002, our offense was not great, in fact, I would almost gaurantee our O will be better in 2007. It was a similar situation. We have a new quarterback who is probably comparable to Krenzel. We have a stud runningback, an experienced (and more talented) offensive line. A deeper receiving corps.

I see no reason saying our offense will be fine is such a big deal. People said the same thing about USC last year. How would they replace Leinart, Bush.. etc. They weren't the same offense as 2005, but they were still very formidable and scored enough points to win most games. I'm saying the same thing about OSU 2007.

I really don't see how that's disillusioned.

And FWIW, comparing Michigan's defense which has lost lots of depth, compared to OSU's offense which was loaded with players waiting behind the stars is a lot different.

sweetness34
04-27-2007, 10:32 PM
Oh stupididty huh JC, what has Robiskie proven that merits he's going to be a star? It remains to be seen that Wells can carry the load. You have no idea what their QB is going to do.

Like I said, I can play that game too. A ton of our guys have a lot of potential, and based off the predictions from Buckeye land in this thread, it's all assuming these guys live up to their potential.

I'll tell you this, if our skill guys on offense live up to theirs and if our defense is as good as I think it can be, look out Big 10. But that's not likely to happen. We're going to be hot and cold this year. We'll play really well at times but our inexperience offensively will cause some bad play too. People are acting like losing all of their offensive weapons isn't going to matter. I'll tell you right now, it will.

Boston
04-27-2007, 10:39 PM
John who?

Good write up for the Badgers. Probably should add something about Hodge and Randel El though.

DoWnThEfiElD
04-28-2007, 09:36 AM
How am I disillusioned? All the points I brought up were for the most part very well laid out. I gave fair compliments to all teams, and expressed my very honest beliefs about each team. Take it FWIW, it's my opinion. People said OSU's defense was going to blow terribly last year after losing Hawk, carpenter, whitner, youboty, etc...

I felt a lot less confident about that unit than I do about our offense this year. Given our D failed us in the final two games, however, I've watched robiskie and the other receivers enough, in addition to a lot of tidbits I've heard about stuff. In 2002, our offense was not great, in fact, I would almost gaurantee our O will be better in 2007. It was a similar situation. We have a new quarterback who is probably comparable to Krenzel. We have a stud runningback, an experienced (and more talented) offensive line. A deeper receiving corps.

I see no reason saying our offense will be fine is such a big deal. People said the same thing about USC last year. How would they replace Leinart, Bush.. etc. They weren't the same offense as 2005, but they were still very formidable and scored enough points to win most games. I'm saying the same thing about OSU 2007.

I really don't see how that's disillusioned.

And FWIW, comparing Michigan's defense which has lost lots of depth, compared to OSU's offense which was loaded with players waiting behind the stars is a lot different.


No Texas lost VY and suffered a drop off your gonna have the same thing happen. Im not expecting Mich to win 10 games once we lose our QB RB and WR, even if a majority of our D is returning. Your will not go 11-1, I think there is very few realistic OSU fans who would even think that. I don't care what star players your guys were coming in, until they prove it on the field it means jack.

JCarver27
04-30-2007, 07:50 AM
Oh stupididty huh JC, what has Robiskie proven that merits he's going to be a star? It remains to be seen that Wells can carry the load. You have no idea what their QB is going to do.

Like I said, I can play that game too. A ton of our guys have a lot of potential, and based off the predictions from Buckeye land in this thread, it's all assuming these guys live up to their potential.

I'll tell you this, if our skill guys on offense live up to theirs and if our defense is as good as I think it can be, look out Big 10. But that's not likely to happen. We're going to be hot and cold this year. We'll play really well at times but our inexperience offensively will cause some bad play too. People are acting like losing all of their offensive weapons isn't going to matter. I'll tell you right now, it will.
I realize you're not used to good players replacing good players in Illinois, but Robiskie is the real deal. Wells is even better than that.

Doubt Robiskie all you want because you haven't watched him like I have, but doubting Wells? Come on.

BerninWI
04-30-2007, 04:44 PM
Here's the predictions for the big ten in 2008 from espn:

http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=2853847

Predictions:
1. Wisconsin
2. Michigan
3. Ohio State
4. Iowa
5. Penn State
6. Michigan State
7. Illinois
8. Purdue
9. Northwestern
10. Indiana
11. Minnesota

Offensive player of the year: Mike Hart, tailback, Michigan

Defensive player of the year: Jack Ikegwuonu, cornerback, Wisconsin

Comeback: Javon Ringer, tailback, MSU

Breakout: Juice Williams, QB, Illinois

Dynamic Playmaker: Mario Manningham, WR, Michigan

Coach on hot seat: Joe Tiller, Purdue

Surprise team: Iowa

Disappointing team: PSU

Champion: Wisconsin


Ikegwuonu DPOY, somebody's paying attention. I do think Wisconsin wins (I'm biased) the big ten as many national publications are predicted. I think there's a myth on this board that OSU and Michigan are perenially numbers 1 and 2 in the big ten. Last year was a rare occurence. It's especially foolish to believe it will happen again with all that OSU is losing on O and Michigan on D. I do think PSU will be #2 or 3 in the conference. Their LB's and DB's look to be in great shape and Morelli can't be worse next year.

1. Wisconsin, 2. Michigan, 3. PSU, 4. OSU, 5. Iowa, 6. Illinois, 7. Purdue, 8. Indiana, 9. N'western, 10. MSU, 11. Minnesota