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jsagan77
09-26-2006, 12:43 AM
I know it's not real but i can't believe all the injuries over the years.. I think it is about time to put retired folks ont he Madden covers..lol

Windy
09-26-2006, 12:52 AM
They should put Osama Bin Laden on the cover of Madden. Maybe the curse will work on him :evil:

Shiver
09-26-2006, 01:31 AM
For it to be "reality" it should have more then a 50% success rate. It doesn't. Culpepper, Vick, McNabb and now Alexander. Doesn't explain Eddie George or Ray Lewis.

Ward
09-26-2006, 01:36 AM
For it to be "reality" it should have more then a 50% success rate. It doesn't. Culpepper, Vick, McNabb and now Alexander. Doesn't explain Eddie George or Ray Lewis.

Eddie George cost his team the playoffs with a terrible fumble recovered by Ray Lewis, and Ray Lewis broke his wrist, missed the playoffs and the Pro Bowl. But sure, those are just coincidences. :roll:

Ward
09-26-2006, 01:39 AM
A lot of people don't include the early years:

Madden 1999 - Garrison Hearst twisted his ankle on very first play from scrimmage.

Madden 2000 - Barry Sanders flat out retires.

Shiver
09-26-2006, 01:41 AM
What are you talking about? A dropped pass by a RB, something every RB does, is a manifestation of the curse? Please. Ray Lewis didn't miss any significant time, his team missed the playoffs in '04, you have your years mixed up.

Ward
09-26-2006, 01:49 AM
What are you talking about? A dropped pass by a RB, something every RB does, is a manifestation of the curse? Please. Ray Lewis didn't miss any significant time, his team missed the playoffs in '04, you have your years mixed up.

I never said he missed significant time. He broke his wrist. And no, he didn't make the playoffs or the Pro Bowl that year. For the best defensive player in the league, that's an off year.

Shiver
09-26-2006, 01:52 AM
So now the Madden Curse not only is injuries, but performance too? Too wide ranging there. **** happens in the NFL all the time. Players have bad seasons, get hurt, etcetera. It's mumbo jumbo.

Just like the game before the Super Bowl video game competition, where the winner of that game, his team went on the win the Super Bowl. Seven straight times, must be reality right? Then in '03, the Panthers player won the game, then they proceeded to lose the Super Bowl.

Romarville
09-26-2006, 02:36 AM
I quote The Notorious BIG: "Mo' money, Mo' problems". Makes me wanna cry. SA will be back though.

Smooth Criminal
09-26-2006, 05:51 AM
I don't think its real. Just think of all of the injuries that happen every year. Probably half of the league misses atleast 1 game with an injury.

Rob S
09-26-2006, 05:56 AM
Ray Lewis also didnt make an int that year, the only time in his career that happened. The Madden curse is for real, I avoided Alexander in all of my fantasy leagues because of it. I am a believer.

The Unseen
09-26-2006, 06:09 AM
It is a real coincidence.

danman253
09-26-2006, 07:27 AM
Injuries happen. I'm do not believe in curses at all, but the fact this happens very year is pretty alarming. That said this isn't like a Broken Leg or Sports Hernia, its a minor crack.

Also those teams of the madden cover victims do very poorly in that same season, which the Seahawks aren't.

turninandburnin1
09-26-2006, 07:30 AM
it may not be as affective for Ray Lewis but he had a down season and there is no doubt about it. best advice is to never draft anyone on the cover of Madden.

danman253
09-26-2006, 07:32 AM
Why can't they just put Madden back on it? Maybe he will fall and break his leg, thus resulting in no more Captain Obvious commenting.

RyanLeaf#1
09-26-2006, 07:47 AM
Injuries happen. I'm do not believe in curses at all, but the fact this happens very year is pretty alarming. That said this isn't like a Broken Leg or Sports Hernia, its a minor crack.

Also those teams of the madden cover victims do very poorly in that same season, which the Seahawks aren't.

They played Detroit, Arizona, and a NYG team that was coming off a huge win then hitting the road they were due for an L. Lets see how they play in Chicago.

danman253
09-26-2006, 07:53 AM
Injuries happen. I'm do not believe in curses at all, but the fact this happens very year is pretty alarming. That said this isn't like a Broken Leg or Sports Hernia, its a minor crack.

Also those teams of the madden cover victims do very poorly in that same season, which the Seahawks aren't.

They played Detroit, Arizona, and a NYG team that was coming off a huge win then hitting the road they were due for an L. Lets see how they play in Chicago.

Its not like our gameplan is gonna be changed that much. Shaun wasn't running very well to begin with, and our offense finally seems t be rolling.

RyanLeaf#1
09-26-2006, 07:54 AM
Injuries happen. I'm do not believe in curses at all, but the fact this happens very year is pretty alarming. That said this isn't like a Broken Leg or Sports Hernia, its a minor crack.

Also those teams of the madden cover victims do very poorly in that same season, which the Seahawks aren't.

They played Detroit, Arizona, and a NYG team that was coming off a huge win then hitting the road they were due for an L. Lets see how they play in Chicago.

Its not like our gameplan is gonna be changed that much. Shaun wasn't running very well to begin with, and our offense finally seems t be rolling.

I agree that the offense looks impressive, but now they will be facing a legit defense.

danman253
09-26-2006, 07:56 AM
Injuries happen. I'm do not believe in curses at all, but the fact this happens very year is pretty alarming. That said this isn't like a Broken Leg or Sports Hernia, its a minor crack.

Also those teams of the madden cover victims do very poorly in that same season, which the Seahawks aren't.

They played Detroit, Arizona, and a NYG team that was coming off a huge win then hitting the road they were due for an L. Lets see how they play in Chicago.

Its not like our gameplan is gonna be changed that much. Shaun wasn't running very well to begin with, and our offense finally seems t be rolling.

I agree that the offense looks impressive, but now they will be facing a legit defense.

Living in Chicago they are legit, but i really, really think Deion Branch is gonna tear Tillman, who really isn't good IMO, apart.

RyanLeaf#1
09-26-2006, 07:58 AM
Injuries happen. I'm do not believe in curses at all, but the fact this happens very year is pretty alarming. That said this isn't like a Broken Leg or Sports Hernia, its a minor crack.

Also those teams of the madden cover victims do very poorly in that same season, which the Seahawks aren't.

They played Detroit, Arizona, and a NYG team that was coming off a huge win then hitting the road they were due for an L. Lets see how they play in Chicago.

Its not like our gameplan is gonna be changed that much. Shaun wasn't running very well to begin with, and our offense finally seems t be rolling.

I agree that the offense looks impressive, but now they will be facing a legit defense.

Living in Chicago they are legit, but i really, really think Deion Branch is gonna tear Tillman, who really isn't good IMO, apart.

He may or may not do that but I cant see the Seahawks winning that game.

IBleedNavyandOrange
09-26-2006, 08:08 AM
For it to be "reality" it should have more then a 50% success rate. It doesn't. Culpepper, Vick, McNabb and now Alexander. Doesn't explain Eddie George or Ray Lewis.

I don't believe in the 'curse' (though it's fun to joke about), but your logic is off... unless you have decided that an arbitrary occurance rate of 50% is what determines "reality."

But 50% is a goofy choice. Crashes happen on much less than 1% of airplane flights, but they are real; at the same time, probably 90%+ of kids under age 5 in this country believe in Santa Claus, but he isn't real.

Now, if you're talking about the statistical validity of the 'curse,' then you'd have to figure out what the percentage of season-ruining injuries is among all NFL players, and compare that to the percentage of season-ruining injuries among Madden coverboys. And/or analyze years of crappy underperformance. The problem you'd have with such a statistical analysis is that your sample (of Madden coverboys) is way too small to have any statistical significance. But you can pull some numbers out of your ass, at least, and make an argument.

For example, if 50% of the Madden coverboys have had crappy years (due to injury or just not living up to expectations and/or past performance levels), but only 25% of NFL players have season-ruining injuries and/or just generally suck, then yeah, we can say that the Madden coverboys have problems. But, as all my stats professors love to say, correlation is not causation. That is, maybe they aren't having crappy years/injuries because they're on the cover, but the other way around. That is to say, their reason for being on the cover is that the prior year they didn't have an injury, or they had a break-out (abnormal) season, and then they return to their regular form the next year.

Or, maybe other players hit the coverboys a bit harder, and pay more attention to stopping them.

IBleedNavyandOrange
09-26-2006, 08:18 AM
That said this isn't like a Broken Leg or Sports Hernia, its a minor crack.

As someone with a medical background, it bugs me whenever I hear people make the fallacious distinction between a "fracture" and a "break," or a "crack" and a "break," because there is no difference between these injuries... a fracture is a crack is a break. This medical ignorance is almost as annoying as when people get relieved when x-rays come back "negative" and the stupid announcers say something banal (and just plain wrong) like "luckily, it's just a sprain".*

And unless it's a compound and/or open fracture, every single 'broken' bone in the NFL is merely a crack that may or may not transect the bone.

A "hairline" fracture implies one that does not transect the bone, and one in which there has been little or no displacement away from either side of the fracture. The implication of this implication is that the fracture requires less time to heal, as there is a smaller (if any) gap between the two sides of the fracture.


*Not to sidetrack my rant about fractures, but in many cases, sprains are worse than fractures. Sprains imply stretching, straining, tearing, and even rupturing of ligaments and tendons, with concomitant bruising of muscles, damage to cartilage, and even bone bruising. A simple fracture is often a far, far, far less serious injury than many sprains.

danman253
09-26-2006, 08:29 AM
That said this isn't like a Broken Leg or Sports Hernia, its a minor crack.

As someone with a medical background, it bugs me whenever I hear people make the fallacious distinction between a "fracture" and a "break," or a "crack" and a "break," because there is no difference between these injuries... a fracture is a crack is a break. This medical ignorance is almost as annoying as when people get relieved when x-rays come back "negative" and the stupid announcers say something banal (and just plain wrong) like "luckily, it's just a sprain".*

And unless it's a compound and/or open fracture, every single 'broken' bone in the NFL is merely a crack that may or may not transect the bone.

A "hairline" fracture implies one that does not transect the bone, and one in which there has been little or no displacement away from either side of the fracture. The implication of this implication is that the fracture requires less time to heal, as there is a smaller (if any) gap between the two sides of the fracture.


*Not to sidetrack my rant about fractures, but in many cases, sprains are worse than fractures. Sprains imply stretching, straining, tearing, and even rupturing of ligaments and tendons, with concomitant bruising of muscles, damage to cartilage, and even bone bruising. A simple fracture is often a far, far, far less serious injury than many sprains.

Well this isn't like a Vick injury. Its on a non-weight bearing bone. My point is that its not gonna sideline him for a significant amount of time like Vick and mcNabb

drowe
09-26-2006, 09:51 AM
I don't buy into that voodoo BS....but i still hope the entire Chicago Bears Defense ends up on the cover next year :lol:

P-L
09-26-2006, 12:40 PM
For it to be "reality" it should have more then a 50% success rate. It doesn't. Culpepper, Vick, McNabb and now Alexander. Doesn't explain Eddie George or Ray Lewis.

I'm not a math professor but just looking at it, even if you don't count George and Lewis, that's a 66.6% sucess rate.

sweetness34
09-26-2006, 01:13 PM
Injuries happen. I'm do not believe in curses at all, but the fact this happens very year is pretty alarming. That said this isn't like a Broken Leg or Sports Hernia, its a minor crack.

Also those teams of the madden cover victims do very poorly in that same season, which the Seahawks aren't.

They played Detroit, Arizona, and a NYG team that was coming off a huge win then hitting the road they were due for an L. Lets see how they play in Chicago.

Its not like our gameplan is gonna be changed that much. Shaun wasn't running very well to begin with, and our offense finally seems t be rolling.

I agree that the offense looks impressive, but now they will be facing a legit defense.

Living in Chicago they are legit, but i really, really think Deion Branch is gonna tear Tillman, who really isn't good IMO, apart.

He may or may not do that but I cant see the Seahawks winning that game.

Tillman while not an elite CB is still solid. And you better protect Hass because from what I've seen so far your OL is vulnerable to the pass rush. And if we can generate pressure early on Hass, you won't be able to spread the field as much.

We'll focus on stopping the run and then we'll be able to lay off in pass coverage and hopefully stymie Hass' passing attack.

LonghornsLegend
09-26-2006, 03:38 PM
*Not to sidetrack my rant about fractures, but in many cases, sprains are worse than fractures. Sprains imply stretching, straining, tearing, and even rupturing of ligaments and tendons, with concomitant bruising of muscles, damage to cartilage, and even bone bruising. A simple fracture is often a far, far, far less serious injury than many sprains.


so would you want to hear that rex grossman sprained his ankle getting tackles, or that he fractured his ankle?


ill take the sprain all day long

bearfan
09-26-2006, 03:44 PM
I don't buy into that voodoo BS....but i still hope the entire Chicago Bears Defense ends up on the cover next year :lol:

I am starting to love your packers comments! They make me giggle :lol:

diabsoule
09-26-2006, 06:39 PM
it's too much of a coincidence to be just a coincidence.

jackalope
09-26-2006, 07:11 PM
before now i would've said it's just coincedental. now i'm not sure.

since madden 2000 (1999 season) with barry sanders it's happened.

http://www.joystiq.com/2006/09/26/alexander-sidelined-madden-curse-to-blame/

m_vick_7
09-28-2006, 07:37 AM
I'm not usually one for conspiracies, but this one has lots of evidence on its side....

01-George- Averaged only 3.2 yds per carry the 2 seasons after being on the cover.

02-Culpepper- Missed 5 games in with a knee injury, then through career high 23 INT's in 02/03.

03-Faulk- Plagued by an ankle injury, Faulk started a career low 10 games. The rams missed the play-offs.

04-Vick- Broke his leg in preseason, missed 11 games.

05-Lewis- Held to 0 INT's for only time in his career.

06-Mcnabb- Injured in first game of season vs. Falcons (sternum). Played hurt the rest of the season with a multitude of injuries before a sports hernia forced him onto IR. Eagles missed out on playofs for 1st time in 4 yrs.

07-Alexander- Fumbles twice (1 lost) in 1st game of season, unheard of previously. Now is injured (foot)

Tubby
09-28-2006, 09:14 AM
2000 - Barry Sanders abruptly retires before training camp (was he warned of the impending curse?)

2001 - Eddie George enjoys career year, until costly turnover leads to Titan's playoff exit

2002 - Daunte Culpepper leads team to dismal 4–7 record before season-ending knee injury

2003 - Marshall Faulk suffers ankle injury; career diminishes thereafter

2004 - Michael Vick fractures right fibula in preseason game, just one day after Madden is released; sidelined for season

2005 - Ray Lewis fails to post a single interception (after grabbing 6 the previous year), and injury forces him to miss the final game of the season; the Ravens also fail to make the playoffs after winning the division in the 2003–2004 season

2006 - Donovan McNabb suffers sports hernia in first game and undergoes season-ending surgery in November; T.O. feud escalates; Eagles finish 6–10 after reaching Super Bowl in 2005–2006 season

2007 - Shaun Alexander is out 2-4 weeks with a bone crack

One of these doesnt fit with the others. Which one is it?