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BUSTKUNTLAWL
10-02-2006, 01:43 AM
Best DT in football.

Is it even a discussion? I don't think so.

He is playing at any EXTREMELY ELITE level.

I think he was only successfully blocked tonight 2 times.. Against a pretty damn good OL.

He will end up in the HOF if he stays healthy.

Anyone disagree? If you do.. you obv didn't see the clinic he put on tonight.

This guy is an ANIMAL.

Windy
10-02-2006, 01:55 AM
There will be a ton of people posting he isn't. I personally think he's top 3 though. He is a crusher

IRONMAN27
10-02-2006, 01:55 AM
Best DT in football.

Is it even a discussion? I don't think so.

He is playing at any EXTREMELY ELITE level.

I think he was only successfully blocked tonight 2 times.. Against a pretty damn good OL.

He will end up in the HOF if he stays healthy.

Anyone disagree? If you do.. you obv didn't see the clinic he put on tonight.

This guy is an ANIMAL.

obviously there is room for debate on this. No subject is without it. Stroud, Henderson, Hampton are all around his level and in my opinion are all interchangeable as the number 1. harris is a top tier DT and may be the best, but he is in no way shape or form the clear cut best

Tobzilla
10-02-2006, 02:20 AM
He's up there with Kevin Williams and Jenkins but I wouldnt put him in the hall quite yet. :roll:

thetedginnshow
10-02-2006, 02:51 AM
I love Harris, but you're forgetting that this isn't last year's Seahawks' O-line. He played a pretty terrible interior line, actually. But, he's nearing where Henderson and Williams are, and has a ways to go before he gets to Shaun Rogers.

swagger
10-02-2006, 04:37 AM
The NFC North is a hell of a division for defensive tackles: Kevin Williams of the Vikes, Shaun Rogers of the Lions and Tommie Harris of the Bears.

Throw in the Jaguars boys, Stroud and Henderson, and those are my picks for the 5 best deefensive tackles in the NFL. In any given order.

bearfan
10-02-2006, 06:09 AM
Though he has played well, there are a few DTs better. He is top 5, and if he keeps this up, probably top 3.

IBleedNavyandOrange
10-02-2006, 06:32 AM
He's a monster, and a pretty humble guy, all things considered. I'm not ready to put him in the HOF yet--especially as the Bears have a history of great defensive linemen (from Doug Atkins to Dan Hampton and Richard Dent). But if he continues to perform at the level he's been hitting lately... or, even scarier, if he continues to improve... well, he should probably consider buying a condo in Hawaii.

Jughead10
10-02-2006, 07:41 AM
He is extremely good. And the defensive scheme that Chicago plays just lets him shine and look even better. However I don't think he is top 5 yet. Close though. Top 10 yes, but not top 5.

Bearsfan123
10-02-2006, 08:52 AM
He is extremely good. And the defensive scheme that Chicago plays just lets him shine and look even better. However I don't think he is top 5 yet. Close though. Top 10 yes, but not top 5.

Could you name 5 better? I can only say 3 are on his level or maybe a little better. Henderson Stroud and S Rogers.

Jughead10
10-02-2006, 08:55 AM
He is extremely good. And the defensive scheme that Chicago plays just lets him shine and look even better. However I don't think he is top 5 yet. Close though. Top 10 yes, but not top 5.

Could you name 5 better? I can only say 3 are on his level or maybe a little better. Henderson Stroud and S Rogers.

Should we start bringing 3-4 NTs into the discussion or are we takling strictly 4-3.

Bearsfan123
10-02-2006, 08:57 AM
He is extremely good. And the defensive scheme that Chicago plays just lets him shine and look even better. However I don't think he is top 5 yet. Close though. Top 10 yes, but not top 5.

Could you name 5 better? I can only say 3 are on his level or maybe a little better. Henderson Stroud and S Rogers.

Should we start bringing 3-4 NTs into the discussion or are we takling strictly 4-3.
4-3 because 3-4s have diff responsibilities, right?

Jughead10
10-02-2006, 09:06 AM
He is extremely good. And the defensive scheme that Chicago plays just lets him shine and look even better. However I don't think he is top 5 yet. Close though. Top 10 yes, but not top 5.

Could you name 5 better? I can only say 3 are on his level or maybe a little better. Henderson Stroud and S Rogers.

Should we start bringing 3-4 NTs into the discussion or are we takling strictly 4-3.
4-3 because 3-4s have diff responsibilities, right?

Yes, but the original post said all DTs. On top of the three you listed, I still think Rod Coleman is better than Harris for now. And both those DTs are very similar in how they play the game. If Harris could keep this up all year, I would have to say Harris but I doubt he can keep this up because that would be quite the unbelievable season. When healthy Kris Jenkins is still better. He is also right on par with Haynesworth and Kevin Williams. So I would say there are 5 better than him in my opinion and then there are 2 more that he is interchangable with. 6-8 in my quick rankings. But if you add 3-4 players he would drop down a couple more spots.

nrk
10-02-2006, 09:06 AM
Tommie is a beast. He's one of my favorite players. I use to watch him all the time when he played here at OU. Unfornuately he, and quite a few others, are on the bears

jkpigskin
10-02-2006, 09:10 AM
its kinda hard to put the tag on anybody being the best DT, but tommie harris is elite and i would love to have him on my team

bearsfan_51
10-02-2006, 10:22 AM
He might be the best passrusing DT, but there are a lot of good DT's out there that merit consideration. But some of the one Jughead mentioned are a bit silly. Have you seen much of Tommie Harris? Keep this up? He was first team all NFL last year, this isn't some kind of fluke. He's been more or less dominant since he entered the league.

Jughead10
10-02-2006, 10:31 AM
He might be the best passrusing DT, but there are a lot of good DT's out there that merit consideration. But some of the one Jughead mentioned are a bit silly. Have you seen much of Tommie Harris? Keep this up? He was first team all NFL last year, this isn't some kind of fluke. He's been more or less dominant since he entered the league.

Who is silly that I mentioned ahead of him? And I thought he was undeserving of being first team all NFL. He only received that honor becuase of the players around him. I put him in the 6-8 range as far as best 4-3 DTs. For such a passrushing threat, he only had 3 sacks last year. I know that isn't everything and you can still be disruptive without getting sacks but 3 is a bit low. This year he already has 5 which is amazing but I want to see him keep this pace. The scheme and talent around him really helps him.

bearsfan_51
10-02-2006, 10:35 AM
He might be the best passrusing DT, but there are a lot of good DT's out there that merit consideration. But some of the one Jughead mentioned are a bit silly. Have you seen much of Tommie Harris? Keep this up? He was first team all NFL last year, this isn't some kind of fluke. He's been more or less dominant since he entered the league.

Who is silly that I mentioned ahead of him? And I thought he was undeserving of being first team all NFL. He only received that honor becuase of the players around him. I put him in the 6-8 range as far as best 4-3 DTs. For such a passrushing threat, he only had 3 sacks last year. I know that isn't everything and you can still be disruptive without getting sacks but 3 is a bit low. This year he already has 5 which is amazing but I want to see him keep this pace. The scheme and talent around him really helps him.
Tommie is in the backfield on almost every play. He elevates the players around him and is double teamed most of the time. Both of the sacks he had last night were when he completely bulled both the guard and the center. He also has almost caught the handoff twice in the last two games now.

I like Rod Coleman. Rod Coleman ain't Tommie Harris. And while Kevin Williams might have been an elite DT in his first few years, his play has dropped off a bit for whatever reason. In terms of disruption I don't think anyone is better than Tommie (although I'd accept Shaun Rogers as just all around better). In terms of stopping the run I'd be glad to give you Henderson, Stroud, Hampton, etc. But nobody penetrates the interior line like Tommie. At least nobody that I've seen.

stephenson86
10-02-2006, 10:38 AM
id have him top for me because he has his best years ahead of him, he has 5 sacks in 4 games :shock: which is awesome for a DT and also hes finally hit that next level which has made him reach his full potential, who knows, there may be more room for improvement

Basileus777
10-02-2006, 10:45 AM
He is a top 3 DT along with Shaun Rogers and John Henderson (ignoring players in a 3-4) . He is probably the best pass rushing 1 gap DT in the NFL. Kris Jenkins and Kevin Williams might be in this discussion if it was 2 or 3 years ago, but right now they are not playing up to their potential.

Jughead10
10-02-2006, 10:47 AM
He is a top 3 DT along with Shaun Rogers and John Henderson (ignoring 3-4 NTs) . He is probably the best pass rushing 1 gap DT in the NFL. Kris Jenkins and Kevin Williams might be in this discussion if it was 2 or 3 years ago, but right now they are not playing up to their potential.

I agree on Kevin Williams but Jenkins is playing pretty damn well again. It wasn't that he ws playing badly, the guy was hurt the last two years. The guy played in 5 games the last two seasons. Is it any suprise that Peppers is looking better than he has the last two seasons once Jenkins came back.

bearsfan_51
10-02-2006, 10:54 AM
He is a top 3 DT along with Shaun Rogers and John Henderson (ignoring 3-4 NTs) . He is probably the best pass rushing 1 gap DT in the NFL. Kris Jenkins and Kevin Williams might be in this discussion if it was 2 or 3 years ago, but right now they are not playing up to their potential.

I agree on Kevin Williams but Jenkins is playing pretty damn well again. It wasn't that he ws playing badly, the guy was hurt the last two years. The guy played in 5 games the last two seasons. Is it any suprise that Peppers is looking better than he has the last two seasons once Jenkins came back.
The fact that Jenkins is about a 20% to make it through a 16 game season is all the more reason to preclude him from this discussion. And so far the Panthers D does not look impressive at all. Is it that hard to remember the Falcons absolutely steam-rolling them in week 1?

Jughead10
10-02-2006, 11:01 AM
He is a top 3 DT along with Shaun Rogers and John Henderson (ignoring 3-4 NTs) . He is probably the best pass rushing 1 gap DT in the NFL. Kris Jenkins and Kevin Williams might be in this discussion if it was 2 or 3 years ago, but right now they are not playing up to their potential.

I agree on Kevin Williams but Jenkins is playing pretty damn well again. It wasn't that he ws playing badly, the guy was hurt the last two years. The guy played in 5 games the last two seasons. Is it any suprise that Peppers is looking better than he has the last two seasons once Jenkins came back.
The fact that Jenkins is about a 20% to make it through a 16 game season is all the more reason to preclude him from this discussion. And so far the Panthers D does not look impressive at all. Is it that hard to remember the Falcons absolutely steam-rolling them in week 1?

Thats just one game, the first of the year, against the number 1 rushing team in the NFL. And no one is even close to the Falcons rushing attack. Since then they have looked very well. But the problem with the Panthers is their LBs. Both Jenkins and Peppers have played very well.

P-L
10-02-2006, 11:45 AM
Best in the league, no discussion? No way. He certainly makes a case for a top 5 DT, and probably is, but to say he's the best with no discussion is just silly.

Splat
10-02-2006, 11:53 AM
I would not say the best yet but he is dam close hell of a player!!!

a-dub83
10-02-2006, 12:55 PM
i don't know that he's the best, but the Colts D-line could sure use a Tommie Harris

swagger
10-02-2006, 01:38 PM
Kevin Williams is WAY underrated.

Shiver
10-02-2006, 01:56 PM
Best 3-Technique in the NFL.

intergalacticspacemonkey
10-02-2006, 02:06 PM
I loved Tommie Harris in college, and sad to see him go to the Bears. He does own, but I would only put him in top three.

HawkeyeFan
10-02-2006, 04:28 PM
No not yet, he still isn't a Pass Rusher/Run Stopper, but best pass rushing? Yes!

The Unseen
10-02-2006, 04:33 PM
He's quite the dominant player. I'm a Jags fan, and I am considering calling him the best DT in the NFL.

sweetness34
10-02-2006, 04:34 PM
I loved Tommie Harris in college, and sad to see him go to the Bears. He does own, but I would only put him in top three.

What the hell is your problem with Chicago dude? :?

stephenson86
10-02-2006, 04:40 PM
I loved Tommie Harris in college, and sad to see him go to the Bears. He does own, but I would only put him in top three.

What the hell is your problem with Chicago dude? :?

i fell in love with him when i saw his speed on madden :P 3 years ago, then i lagitamatly became a fan of him

cunningham06
10-02-2006, 04:48 PM
I don't think he is quite yet, but if he keeps playing like he did last night I'll admit it. He's so fast, and his arms are gigantic, speed and strength wrapped together, he has so much potential.

sweetness34
10-02-2006, 05:12 PM
I loved Tommie Harris in college, and sad to see him go to the Bears. He does own, but I would only put him in top three.

I'll quote you again...What the hell does, "he does own but I'd ONLY put him top 3 mean?" Top 3 is pretty damn good if you ask me....

BUSTKUNTLAWL
10-03-2006, 08:18 PM
No not yet, he still isn't a Pass Rusher/Run Stopper, but best pass rushing? Yes!

He's good against the run..

bltbjdd
10-03-2006, 08:56 PM
I can't get a good answer for this questions so here are some of my DT's.

Richard Seymour - Would be great if he only played DT
Stroud
Henderson
Rogers
Harris

I would have Harris ranked 5th in that list, but Stroud Henderson and Rogers are hard to put a number on and Richard Seymour would be somehwere in there above Harris if he only played DT in my opinion.

Draft King
10-03-2006, 08:58 PM
He reminds me of Rod Coleman, he'll be the best in a year or two, kind of like the DeAngelo Hall of DT's.

art vandelay
10-03-2006, 09:31 PM
He's the best DT in football.

BUSTKUNTLAWL
10-03-2006, 09:34 PM
He's the best DT in football.

I hope you enjoy him next week.

With that outstanding :lol: Buffalo Bills OL.

Hurricane Ditka
10-03-2006, 09:39 PM
He's the best DT in football.

I hope you enjoy him next week.

With that outstanding :lol: Buffalo Bills OL.Hopefully he can get a few sacks and separate from the pack.

intergalacticspacemonkey
10-03-2006, 11:13 PM
I loved Tommie Harris in college, and sad to see him go to the Bears. He does own, but I would only put him in top three.

I'll quote you again...What the hell does, "he does own but I'd ONLY put him top 3 mean?" Top 3 is pretty damn good if you ask me....

We'll there is still Shaun Rogers who I am a big fan of, and then there is Henderson and Stroud.

sweetness34
10-03-2006, 11:16 PM
I loved Tommie Harris in college, and sad to see him go to the Bears. He does own, but I would only put him in top three.

I'll quote you again...What the hell does, "he does own but I'd ONLY put him top 3 mean?" Top 3 is pretty damn good if you ask me....

We'll there is still Shaun Rogers who I am a big fan of, and then there is Henderson and Stroud.

:? ...So you'd actually put Tommie at #4 according to what I'm reading from your quote...

1) Rogers
2) Hender
3) Stroud
4) Harris

yodabear
10-03-2006, 11:18 PM
He isn't even the best DT on his team, Robbie Gould is.

intergalacticspacemonkey
10-03-2006, 11:18 PM
I loved Tommie Harris in college, and sad to see him go to the Bears. He does own, but I would only put him in top three.

I'll quote you again...What the hell does, "he does own but I'd ONLY put him top 3 mean?" Top 3 is pretty damn good if you ask me....

We'll there is still Shaun Rogers who I am a big fan of, and then there is Henderson and Stroud.

:? ...So you'd actually put Tommie at #4 according to what I'm reading from your quote...

1) Rogers
2) Hender
3) Stroud
4) Harris

We'll 2-4 is interchangeable.

Bearsfan123
10-03-2006, 11:20 PM
I loved Tommie Harris in college, and sad to see him go to the Bears. He does own, but I would only put him in top three.

I'll quote you again...What the hell does, "he does own but I'd ONLY put him top 3 mean?" Top 3 is pretty damn good if you ask me....

We'll there is still Shaun Rogers who I am a big fan of, and then there is Henderson and Stroud.

:? ...So you'd actually put Tommie at #4 according to what I'm reading from your quote...

1) Rogers
2) Hender
3) Stroud
4) Harris

i wouldnt mind having him ranked there. Personally I think they are all pretty much equal, with MAYBE Henderson and Stroud getting the nod over Harris, because they look friggin awesome playing together. But SR is playing at most only equal to the level Tommie Harris is on. No way shape or form better than.

Potential.....well thats a different story....

sweetness34
10-03-2006, 11:34 PM
No DT in the NFL is playing at Tommie's level right now. We manhandled Shaun when we played him. Stroud and Henderson are very good but Tommie has been arguably the best defensive player in the NFL up to this point. I mean a DT leading the league in sacks, are you kidding me?

Dam8610
10-03-2006, 11:40 PM
i don't know that he's the best, but the Colts D-line could sure use a Tommie Harris

Or a Corey Simon.

10-05-2006, 12:23 AM
When healthy, Kris Jenkins is the most dominant DT in the NFL and there is no doubt in my mind that that is true.

Bearsfan123
10-05-2006, 11:14 AM
When healthy, Kris Jenkins is the most dominant DT in the NFL and there is no doubt in my mind that that is true.

yes too bad he cant stay healthy....

BUSTKUNTLAWL
10-05-2006, 04:30 PM
When healthy, Kris Jenkins is the most dominant DT in the NFL and there is no doubt in my mind that that is true.

yes too bad he cant stay healthy....
:lol:

LonghornsLegend
10-06-2006, 11:13 AM
When healthy, Kris Jenkins is the most dominant DT in the NFL and there is no doubt in my mind that that is true.

yes too bad he cant stay healthy....
:lol:


too bad he's healthy this year....and regardless kris jenkins is still in the top 5 of DT's, him and peppers on the same line is sick

BUSTKUNTLAWL
10-06-2006, 04:48 PM
When healthy, Kris Jenkins is the most dominant DT in the NFL and there is no doubt in my mind that that is true.

yes too bad he cant stay healthy....
:lol:


too bad he's healthy this year....and regardless kris jenkins is still in the top 5 of DT's, him and peppers on the same line is sick

so is a defensive line of..

Alex Brown / Ogunleye / Tommie Harris

detknowitall
10-06-2006, 05:08 PM
I loved Tommie Harris in college, and sad to see him go to the Bears. He does own, but I would only put him in top three.

What the hell is your problem with Chicago dude? :?

:lol: :lol: the same problem all the other teams in the NFL have....their Defense :lol: :lol:

Bearsfan123
10-06-2006, 05:51 PM
I loved Tommie Harris in college, and sad to see him go to the Bears. He does own, but I would only put him in top three.

What the hell is your problem with Chicago dude? :?

:lol: :lol: the same problem all the other teams in the NFL have....their Defense :lol: :lol:


:lol:

Bearsfan123
10-06-2006, 05:52 PM
When healthy, Kris Jenkins is the most dominant DT in the NFL and there is no doubt in my mind that that is true.

yes too bad he cant stay healthy....
:lol:


too bad he's healthy this year....and regardless kris jenkins is still in the top 5 of DT's, him and peppers on the same line is sick

healthy, yet not leading the league in sacks now is he?

sweetness34
10-06-2006, 06:12 PM
When healthy, Kris Jenkins is the most dominant DT in the NFL and there is no doubt in my mind that that is true.

yes too bad he cant stay healthy....
:lol:


too bad he's healthy this year....and regardless kris jenkins is still in the top 5 of DT's, him and peppers on the same line is sick

Our DL of Harris/Scott/Brown/Ogunleye/Anderson/Johnson is just flat out sick. Anny of these guys could start on a majority of teams in the NFL and be very good. Our DL depth is absolutely insane.

art vandelay
10-07-2006, 10:13 AM
He's the best DT in football.

I hope you enjoy him next week.

With that outstanding :lol: Buffalo Bills OL.Hopefully he can get a few sacks and separate from the pack.

I know the Bills O-line is very untalented. Fortunately, they are not the worst o-line in the NFL right now. They might even be the most overachieving. Peters is good, Villarial is OK, but everyone else should be either 2nd or 3rd string on another team.

bearsfan_51
10-07-2006, 02:27 PM
He's the best DT in football.

I hope you enjoy him next week.

With that outstanding :lol: Buffalo Bills OL.Hopefully he can get a few sacks and separate from the pack.

I know the Bills O-line is very untalented. Fortunately, they are not the worst o-line in the NFL right now. They might even be the most overachieving. Peters is good, Villarial is OK, but everyone else should be either 2nd or 3rd string on another team.
I agree. Willis is running the ball well and Losman has the scrambling ability to at least make up for some of the Bills deficiencies.

That being said we're good for at least 3 sacks this week, regardless of how the game goes.