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DMWSackMachine
10-02-2006, 01:24 PM
Michael Vick now has 333 yards rushing this year in 4 games, which is good for 5th in the enire league. His pace of 83.4 ypg puts him on pace for 1,334 yards on the season. Will he rush for over 1000 yards this season? I think so, and I have always thought that this is the way that Atlanta should have been using him all along. He will never be an efficient passer who drops back and goes through his progressions. He can be a devastating weapon, though, if he is used to augment the running game and take 3-4 shots deep while limiting his mistakes in the passing game. I love how they are using him. So, will this continue, and if so, what is the ceiling for his production? 1300? 1500? Something to talk about.

Jughead10
10-02-2006, 01:27 PM
They should have been doing this all the time. The coaches were stubborn and wanted to mold him into the WCO offense. Not happening. Correct me if I am wrong Falcons fans, but basically don't you have two offenses now. One for Vick and more of a traditional WCO for when Schaub ever has to come in.

RyanLeaf#1
10-02-2006, 01:31 PM
Vick will definitely run for over 1,000. He is killing it.

swagger
10-02-2006, 01:34 PM
This isn't good for a quarterback to be doing this....I don't care what you say. Soon he will be so beat up he won't even be able to throw a ball w/out pain.

Basileus777
10-02-2006, 01:35 PM
This isn't good for a quarterback to be doing this....I don't care what you say. Soon he will be so beat up he won't even be able to throw a ball w/out pain.

He gets hit more often when he stays in the pocket. If he had an oline that could actually pass protect you might have a point, but that isn't the case. He is better off getting thrown out of bounds by a defensive back or linebacker than crushed by a dlineman in the pocket.

njx9
10-02-2006, 01:37 PM
This isn't good for a quarterback to be doing this....I don't care what you say. Soon he will be so beat up he won't even be able to throw a ball w/out pain.

sitting in the pocket sure worked wonders for david carr.

Number 10
10-02-2006, 01:48 PM
They need to be careful. If Vick keeps this pace up, he is going to end up injured.

scar988
10-02-2006, 01:49 PM
They should have been doing this all the time. The coaches were stubborn and wanted to mold him into the WCO offense. Not happening. Correct me if I am wrong Falcons fans, but basically don't you have two offenses now. One for Vick and more of a traditional WCO for when Schaub ever has to come in.basically. we are starting to pass out of a shotgun more though. we need to use a bootleg/moving pocket offense for Vick. we have the line that is mobile enough to do it and Vick throws better on the run. as long as our WR's start to catch the ball better we could very well start having a spread option college type offense for Vick in which he can get around 200 passing and 50 or so rushing a game or if Schaub came in a pure WCO where he would throw it to White or Jenkins on a short route and they would bust off 10 YAC. we could also combine the 2 for Vick andhave a pretty diverse offense in which we would be able to confuse the living hell outof defenses. but Knapp isn;t smart enough to try that.

scar988
10-02-2006, 01:51 PM
They need to be careful. If Vick keeps this pace up, he is going to end up injured.how? he has taken less hits this year than he EVER has. he is running out of bounds and diving instead of taking the hard hits he used to take n the run. He is playing smarter and his passing has fewer mistakes and his fumbles have decreased alot. he is improving as a leader of this team and while he may not get 3000 yards passing this year he may be the first QB to ever have 2500 yards passing and 1000 yards rushing at the pro level.

bearsfan_51
10-02-2006, 01:53 PM
Someone on ESPN.com made the argument that assuming the Falcons make the playoffs they are going to have troubles. I'd have to agree. Defenses with speed I think will be able to contain Vick and with their inability to pass they might not be able to dig themselves out of a hole. Just a thought. They advanced to the NFC Championship game in 2004 but all they had to do was beat a lousy 8-8 Rams team and then were trounced by the Eagles.

Moses
10-02-2006, 01:54 PM
Vick doesn't even get hit that much when he scrambles. I would much rather have him moving around than sitting in the pocket like a target. You rarely see Vick get crushed and when he does he's a pretty tough guy.

Shiver
10-02-2006, 01:54 PM
this year he may be the first QB to ever have 2500 yards passing and 1000 yards rushing at the pro level.


Though he would've done it in '04 had they not pulled him because they clinched a playoff bye.

Number 10
10-02-2006, 01:56 PM
They need to be careful. If Vick keeps this pace up, he is going to end up injured.how? he has taken less hits this year than he EVER has. he is running out of bounds and diving instead of taking the hard hits he used to take n the run. He is playing smarter and his passing has fewer mistakes and his fumbles have decreased alot. he is improving as a leader of this team and while he may not get 3000 yards passing this year he may be the first QB to ever have 2500 yards passing and 1000 yards rushing at the pro level.

Alright....I'm just saying that he is going to take a serious hit sooner or later if he keeps running. But don't get me wrong, I love the way he is playing right now and I am glad tha they are making me look good by picking them to win the NFC. They just have to be careful that they don't start letting Vick loose to the point where he is running the ball in the middle of the field 10 times a game, which may happen as the season grows older.

TCU
10-02-2006, 01:57 PM
i agree i dont think he will ever transform into a west coast QB i think that was stupid to even try it with Mike Vick, he is the only QB in the league who can pull off scrambling all day long, no one else is even close.

Moses
10-02-2006, 01:57 PM
They need to be careful. If Vick keeps this pace up, he is going to end up injured.how? he has taken less hits this year than he EVER has. he is running out of bounds and diving instead of taking the hard hits he used to take n the run. He is playing smarter and his passing has fewer mistakes and his fumbles have decreased alot. he is improving as a leader of this team and while he may not get 3000 yards passing this year he may be the first QB to ever have 2500 yards passing and 1000 yards rushing at the pro level.

Alright....I'm just saying that he is going to take a serious hit sooner or later if he keeps running. But don't get me wrong, I love the way he is playing right now and I am glad tha they are making me look good by picking them to win the NFC. They just have to be careful that they don't start letting Vick loose to the point where he is running the ball in the middle of the field 10 times a game, which may happen as the season grows older.

Whereas they could let him stand in the pocket and get sacked 5 or 6 times a game from his blindside? Vick is generally pretty intelligent when it comes to sliding and ducking out of bounds. Plus his evasiveness usually allows him to avoid the big hit.

scar988
10-02-2006, 01:58 PM
Alright....I'm just saying that he is going to take a serious hit sooner or later if he keeps running. But don't get me wrong, I love the way he is playing right now and I am glad tha they are making me look good by picking them to win the NFC. They just have to be careful that they don't start letting Vick loose to the point where he is running the ball in the middle of the field 10 times a game, which may happen as the season grows older.last year the most serious 2 hits he took were in the pocket. one was when he sprained his knee the other knocked him out for 3-4 plays because ti knocked the wind out fo him. Vick is a damn good player but his running around and not getting hit in the pocket will help him. If only Knapp was smart enought to have Vick in a moving pocket or on bootlegs all the time the way Plummer does in Dever the Falcons would be a better passing team (not because Vick isn't a good passer, he just isn't a good stationary passer. on the run he si a beast.)

scar988
10-02-2006, 02:00 PM
i agree i dont think he will ever transform into a west coast QB i think that was stupid to even try it with Mike Vick, he is the only QB in the league who can pull off scrambling all day long, no one else is even close.well they coudl do the Denver WCO style with the boots and the moving pockets to go along with the spread option looks they give. it would make the offense pretty hard to stop and the run game would still be effective. they could also do a lot more PA with Vick and have him fake the stratch right and boot left on a pass/run option where he would throw deep to Lelie, intermediate to Jenkins, short to crump or just take off.

Jughead10
10-02-2006, 02:00 PM
Alright....I'm just saying that he is going to take a serious hit sooner or later if he keeps running. But don't get me wrong, I love the way he is playing right now and I am glad tha they are making me look good by picking them to win the NFC. They just have to be careful that they don't start letting Vick loose to the point where he is running the ball in the middle of the field 10 times a game, which may happen as the season grows older.last year the most serious 2 hits he took were in the pocket. one was when he sprained his knee the other knocked him out for 3-4 plays because ti knocked the wind out fo him. Vick is a damn good player but his running around and not getting hit in the pocket will help him. If only Knapp was smart enought to have Vick in a moving pocket or on bootlegs all the time the way Plummer does in Dever the Falcons would be a better passing team (not because Vick isn't a good passer, he just isn't a good stationary passer. on the run he si a beast.)

Well he did break his leg on a scramble but that is besides the point. The moving pocket also helps his vision. I think that has more to do with it more than him running. He is tiny. Falcons generally have shorter OL if I can recall but getting him in open vision just helps him see the field.

scar988
10-02-2006, 02:03 PM
Well he did break his leg on a scramble but that is besides the point. The moving pocket also helps his vision. I think that has more to do with it more than him running. He is tiny. Falcons generally have shorter OL if I can recall but getting him in open vision just helps him see the field.
that it does but our tallest starting OL is Todd Wiener our RT. he is 6'5" our LG and LT are both 6'4" and our RG and C are 6'3" a lot shorter than the normal line.,

frogstomp
10-02-2006, 02:04 PM
What's the single season rushing record for a quarterback? Does Vick have it?

Basileus777
10-02-2006, 02:10 PM
What's the single season rushing record for a quarterback? Does Vick have it?
Vick doesn't have it. I know Cunningham ran for more than Vick's best when he ran for 942.

frogstomp
10-02-2006, 02:17 PM
What's the single season rushing record for a quarterback? Does Vick have it?
Vick doesn't have it. I know Cunningham ran for more than Vick's best when he ran for 942.

That's what I thought. I know Vick has the single game record, but I didn't think he had the season. Thanks.

DMWSackMachine
10-02-2006, 02:22 PM
The record is held by a no-name white guy from the mid 70's. I can't remember his name right now, but he had about 970 yards or so, just a little bit better than Randall and Vick, who each had in the 930-945 range in their best seasons. No QB has ever rushed for over 1,000 yards in season.

Splat
10-02-2006, 02:25 PM
He will get hurt before he gets 1000.

Moses
10-02-2006, 02:30 PM
He will get hurt before he gets 1000.

http://www.fotosearch.com/comp/csk/CSK243/KS15863.jpg

Splat
10-02-2006, 02:32 PM
What and saying he will get 1000 is any differnt nobody knows what will happen I think he will get hurt like always.

LonghornsLegend
10-02-2006, 02:39 PM
he doesnt even get him like that when he scrambles, why do you guys act like when he runs he goes head up with safeties and lb's and takes punishment, he takes some hits, but still goes out of bounds or slides...


and im sure everyone loves to say he will get hurt, thats the only thing you can say for mike vick if you dont like what he does or think it works...he'll just keep proving people wrong....


people said he couldnt run for 80 yds a game in the NFL, people were faster...now that he can, the only comeback is, "well he's gonna get hurt soon they better stop" :roll:

Shiver
10-02-2006, 02:41 PM
What and saying he will get 1000 is any differnt nobody knows what will happen I think he will get hurt like always.


Chad Pennington?
Carson Palmer?

Even McNabb, when he stopped running, still misses more games than Vick does. Vick had the one fibula injury, besides that, he has missed two games due to injury.

Splat
10-02-2006, 02:47 PM
he doesnt even get him like that when he scrambles, why do you guys act like when he runs he goes head up with safeties and lb's and takes punishment, he takes some hits, but still goes out of bounds or slides...


and im sure everyone loves to say he will get hurt, thats the only thing you can say for mike vick if you dont like what he does or think it works...he'll just keep proving people wrong....


people said he couldnt run for 80 yds a game in the NFL, people were faster...now that he can, the only comeback is, "well he's gonna get hurt soon they better stop" :roll:

I never said I didn't like him but if he keeps trying to be superman and jumping over people and diving he is going to get hurt that is all there is to it.

Splat
10-02-2006, 02:52 PM
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/7339/vick2fo7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/3936/vickhurtjb5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

Scotty D
10-02-2006, 03:02 PM
People are saying that he isn't going to get injured scrambling because he doesn't take big hits, but I would still say it increases his chances of getting hurt. Its a slippery slope, but they do have one of the best backup QBs in the league.

Shiver
10-02-2006, 03:04 PM
That was his only major injury of his career. He has been a starting NFL QB for four seasons, besides that fibula injury, he's missed two games to injury. Vick has a stigma of being injury prone, yet a lot of other QBs have missed more time. Grossman, Pennington, Palmer, Roethlisberger, Leftwich included, not exactly scrambling QBs. :roll:

bearsfan_51
10-02-2006, 03:06 PM
Here's something else that people are failing to note:

Even if scrambling does increase Vick's chances of sustaining a major injury, WHAT ELSE IS HE SUPPOSED TO DO!?!?

I think it's pretty clear at this point that Vick is a pretty crappy passer. Only those that have completely seperated themselves from objectivity could argue otherwise.

Therefore, if they decide they are going to protect Vick by preventing him from scrambling, they are pretty much turning him into a mediocre at best QB.

Oh wait, they already did that.

So........with that being said, they either go with what they have, and hope that they can win with it, or they simply sit one of the best offensive players in the league and turn to the Matt Schaub era because they think that eventually Vick will get hurt.

Splat
10-02-2006, 03:17 PM
It kills me how people spin what other people say on this site I never said they should not use him like that just that he is bound to get hurt doing it. If you guys think he is superman and can do what ever think what you want but I don't want to see people acting shocked when/if he gets hurt. I don't see how or way any WR would like to play with him they are not going to get the ball more then 3 times a game if that he only looks at the TE.

The Unseen
10-02-2006, 03:18 PM
Here's something else that people are failing to note:

Even if scrambling does increase Vick's chances of sustaining a major injury, WHAT ELSE IS HE SUPPOSED TO DO!?!?

I think it's pretty clear at this point that Vick is a pretty crappy passer. Only those that have completely seperated themselves from objectivity could argue otherwise.

Therefore, if they decide they are going to protect Vick by preventing him from scrambling, they are pretty much turning him into a mediocre at best QB.

Oh wait, they already did that.

So........with that being said, they either go with what they have, and hope that they can win with it, or they simply sit one of the best offensive players in the league and turn to the Matt Schaub era because they think that eventually Vick will get hurt.

QFT

2drama
10-02-2006, 03:19 PM
This isn't good for a quarterback to be doing this....I don't care what you say. Soon he will be so beat up he won't even be able to throw a ball w/out pain.

sitting in the pocket sure worked wonders for david carr.

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

jkpigskin
10-02-2006, 03:28 PM
What and saying he will get 1000 is any differnt nobody knows what will happen I think he will get hurt like always.


Chad Pennington?
Carson Palmer?

Even McNabb, when he stopped running, still misses more games than Vick does. Vick had the one fibula injury, besides that, he has missed two games due to injury.

this is a good point and didnt vick get hurt getting sacked by adalius thomas??

scar988
10-02-2006, 04:10 PM
What and saying he will get 1000 is any differnt nobody knows what will happen I think he will get hurt like always.this is the most ******** statement made so far. hurt like Always? he has only had one season in which he didn't play in 15 of the 16 games. (he takes one game off a year normally if it is serious enough) and that was a freak injury because his cleat got caught in the turf while he was sliding. shut up when you don't know what you are talking about.

scar988
10-02-2006, 04:12 PM
It kills me how people spin what other people say on this site I never said they should not use him like that just that he is bound to get hurt doing it. If you guys think he is superman and can do what ever think what you want but I don't want to see people acting shocked when/if he gets hurt. I don't see how or way any WR would like to play with him they are not going to get the ball more then 3 times a game if that he only looks at the TE.wow. proving once again you have no idea what you are talking about. against the saints he threw to Alge 6 times but he was throwing to WR's the other 20 some odd throws. please watch the games before you think you know what you are talking about.

scar988
10-02-2006, 04:15 PM
http://img107.imageshack.us/img107/7339/vick2fo7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

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http://img351.imageshack.us/img351/3936/vickhurtjb5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)you do know how that injury happened right? he was sliding, his foot got cuahgt in the turf. his cleat was stuck and he popped his ankle. no tackle even happened unless you consider Adalius Thomas's horse collar tackle a big hit.

HawkeyeFan
10-02-2006, 04:17 PM
Probrably, but he's the biggest ball hog in the history of the NFL.

Staubach12
10-02-2006, 04:22 PM
If this keeps up, he will be hurt. You don't let the main man of a franchise do that. He's gunna get hurt if he keeps trying to be a RB. Also, once he's used to running, the best teams in the playoffs are gunna shut him down, and then the game is over.

Shiver
10-02-2006, 04:26 PM
I don't see how or way any WR would like to play with him they are not going to get the ball more then 3 times a game if that he only looks at the TE.


Jenkins and Lelie are the two receiving leaders for the Falcons.. :?

njx9
10-02-2006, 05:01 PM
Probrably, but he's the biggest ball hog in the history of the NFL.

yeah, i mean, throwing the ball 4 times more often than he ran it last year... he sure hates to give it up. :roll:

d34ng3l021
10-02-2006, 06:01 PM
You do know that one of the pictures you posted is of him tying the game on a 4th down play with 1 minute and 30 seconds to go?

And to the people that say we wont be able to beat the fast defenses during the playoffs, we beat 2 of the fastest defenses in week 1 and week 2 when we beat the Panthers and Bucs. Vick has always struggled against the Bucs with running, but put 130 yards on them. The Panthers have one of the fastest defenses and he was able to put a solid 50 yards on them. To be honest, the only defense that scares me in the NFC is the defense of the Bears. Their defense is just plain .

Shiver
10-02-2006, 06:42 PM
To be honest, the only defense that scares me in the NFC is the defense of the Bears. Their defense is just plain .


The Bears are the only team I am afraid of, period.

Scotty D
10-02-2006, 06:45 PM
scar is the angriest poster on NFLDC. :D

Shiver
10-02-2006, 06:47 PM
scar is the angriest poster on NFLDC. :D


Him and Scorchin in their prime was something to watch, err read.


As for Vick; all he needs to be is 1999 mid-70 passer rating, Steve McNair with better legs. If the Titans can make the Super Bowl, and be close to winning it with McNair as a 'mediocre' passer, but runner, having Vick shouldn't inhibit the team's chances.

The only concern thus far from my perspective is red-zone offense. 2 dropped TDs, 1 blocked field goal, 1 interception, it's been straight up ugly. Why wont use Griffith in a power I situation?! It doesn't make sense to me.

LonghornsLegend
10-02-2006, 10:16 PM
scar is the angriest poster on NFLDC. :D


Him and Scorchin in their prime was something to watch, err read.


As for Vick; all he needs to be is 1999 mid-70 passer rating, Steve McNair with better legs. If the Titans can make the Super Bowl, and be close to winning it with McNair as a 'mediocre' passer, but runner, having Vick shouldn't inhibit the team's chances.

The only concern thus far from my perspective is red-zone offense. 2 dropped TDs, 1 blocked field goal, 1 interception, it's been straight up ugly. Why wont use Griffith in a power I situation?! It doesn't make sense to me.

good points....i would think about griffin as well, the red zone play has been sloppy as if they are cramped as to what they want to do, but i think defenses key in on alge crumpler as the main red zone target as well

BlindSite
10-02-2006, 11:54 PM
He would get eaten alive by chicago.

10-03-2006, 12:04 AM
I don't see how or way any WR would like to play with him they are not going to get the ball more then 3 times a game if that he only looks at the TE.


Jenkins and Lelie are the two receiving leaders for the Falcons.. :?Thats because Crumpler can't catch anything.