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Daniel Adams
10-03-2006, 02:11 PM
I know a lot of people are jumping on the Rex Grossman band wagon right now. What I want to know is this...

Do you think Rex Grossman is capable of leading his team to the Superbowl in 2006/2007?

I'd have to say no because I don't think he has the experience or the composure to. He has shown he can play QB in the NFL but can he be on the elite level? Too many questions around him for him to take da Bears to Miami this year, IMO.

-DA

LonghornsLegend
10-03-2006, 02:21 PM
they were a super bowl team last year(someone who could have easily made it) and they werent balanced, rex doesnt have to be superman in the playoffs because they will most likely be home and have 2 solid backs with arguably the best defense top to bottom, he has always been solid athletically but i dont think inexperience will hurt him if they dont put games on his shoulder....


but i see them as the #1 team in the NFC, them and carolina would make for a great playoff rematch in the NFC champ game

IRONMAN27
10-03-2006, 02:37 PM
I know a lot of people are jumping on the Rex Grossman band wagon right now. What I want to know is this...

Do you think Rex Grossman is capable of leading his team to the Superbowl in 2006/2007?

I'd have to say no because I don't think he has the experience or the composure to. He has shown he can play QB in the NFL but can he be on the elite level? Too many questions around him for him to take da Bears to Miami this year, IMO.

-DA

Not Yet... he is getting there, but no, not this year

ShutDwn
10-03-2006, 02:40 PM
Doesn't matter. The defense will do the leading. IMO they (The Bears) are the best in the league right now.

bigbluedefense
10-03-2006, 02:44 PM
Not yet no. Teams had no game tape of him. Now they do and can gameplan accordlingly. He's still too early in his develop to lead this team to the SB. You see it with every developing qb. They have a "break out", then towards the end of the season they regress as teams figure out their tendencies, and by playoff time they disappoint. The same will probably happen to Grossman. Next year though is a different story.

I think more important than Grossman is the run game. Theyve run for horrible averages. I understand the run game sees 8 man fronts, but if DC's start disrespecting the run game, they will come out with a 7 man front and put more pressure on Grossman. That indirectly can effect his game.

LonghornsLegend
10-03-2006, 02:48 PM
They have a "break out", then towards the end of the season they regress as teams figure out their tendencies, and by playoff time they disappoint. The same will probably happen to Grossman.


every instance is different with each qb, and its kinda hard to say one player will do the same as one before him did just because it typically happens...typically rookies couldnt go undefeated like Ben did and he pulled it off, so grossman could never start to lower their level of play because the strength of the team isnt the qb position by far....the defense will lead the way, half they time they score points, and keep the score very low, even if he had bad games most teams will not have more then 17 points by the 4th qt, he would only need 1 or 2 big plays in that instant, if they use him properly he wont have to win any games based solely on his performance....they were a great team with orton, if grossman regressed this year like you say he still would be better then what they had last year

keylime_5
10-03-2006, 02:48 PM
So far Chicago is unquestionably the best team in the NFC. Not only do I think he can take them there, I know he will. The NFC is a sad place except for Chicago, Seattle, and the NFC East, but Chicago is head and shoulders above the rest of their conference

TitleTown088
10-03-2006, 03:08 PM
they may go to the SB , but it's going to be because of the defene not because of grossman. And who says he's gonna make it to the SB? he'll break a nail or somthing and will sit the rest of the season, so maybe greise will lead them.. :wink:

portermvp84
10-03-2006, 03:11 PM
He has an average team at best. He will go the playoffs just because he is a weak divison.

10-03-2006, 03:26 PM
He has an average team at best. He will go the playoffs just because he is a weak divison.

was that a serious statement?

Basileus777
10-03-2006, 03:28 PM
The Bears can win a Superbowl with Grossman as their qb. He doesn't need to carry the team or even play at an elite level, he just needs to be good enough to take some pressure off that D and running game, which I believe he is. The Bears look like the best team in the NFL right now, and Grossman is a big part of that.

Hurricane Ditka
10-03-2006, 03:55 PM
He has an average team at best. He will go the playoffs just because he is a weak divison.Are you serious?

bearsfan_51
10-03-2006, 04:09 PM
He has an average team at best. He will go the playoffs just because he is a weak divison.
Glad to see that some of you remain. I was losing people to argue with.

stephenson86
10-03-2006, 04:09 PM
He has an average team at best. He will go the playoffs just because he is a weak divison.Are you serious?i think he is :shock:

dcarey20
10-03-2006, 04:19 PM
with that defense just about anybody is capable...

do i think he will? no. but there's a decent chance.

i'm still sticking to my prediction of panthers over chargers but i'm not too confident in it and i hope i'm wrong and it turns out to be the ravens lol. :D

bearfan
10-03-2006, 04:31 PM
I said yes, just because he doesnt have to be a Tom Brady and carry the team. We have 2 solid running backs and one of the best defenses in the NFL. I dont want to say like the Steelers, but sorta. We have a good running game (not yet :evil: ), but its definantly there, and a dominating defense that can change the flow of the game. I definantly think its possible, but I think that a lot of QBs in Rex's situation would be able to do so too

Staubach12
10-03-2006, 04:34 PM
Yes. He's a capable QB, and right now, I'm impressed with him. He's quite able to lead the Bears to a Super Bowl.

JETS5128
10-03-2006, 04:35 PM
Trent Dilfer did it, nuff said

ninerfan
10-03-2006, 04:46 PM
For a guy that has less than a dozen starts he has this composure about him and he does have some serious talent so sure why not.

Daniel Adams
10-03-2006, 04:50 PM
Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.

bearsfan_51
10-03-2006, 04:52 PM
We're 4-0. That's very impressive. I have little doubt we'll win at least 11 or 12 games (without many serious injuries) and likely get the top seed in the playoffs barring a strong comeback by the Seahawks (all teams in the South and East will lose more games by default).

You've got to think that will help us, but it promises nothing. It's usually hit or miss that the top seed makes the Superbowl. Think about how many times the Colts and Steelers looked like they were the teams to beat and then lost in the playoffs. In a one game and you're out format anything can happen.

The appreciation for the Bears is nice, but let's not go overboard here. There's a lot of football to be played.

bearsfan_51
10-03-2006, 04:54 PM
Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.
Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.

Daniel Adams
10-03-2006, 04:56 PM
We're 4-0. That's very impressive. I have little doubt we'll win at least 11 or 12 games (without many serious injuries) and likely get the top seed in the playoffs barring a strong comeback by the Seahawks (all teams in the South and East will lose more games by default).

You've got to think that will help us, but it promises nothing. It's usually hit or miss that the top seed makes the Superbowl. Think about how many times the Colts and Steelers looked like they were the teams to beat and then lost in the playoffs. In a one game and you're out format anything can happen.

The appreciation for the Bears is nice, but let's not go overboard here. There's a lot of football to be played.

Don't want to jinx your team, eh?

Daniel Adams
10-03-2006, 04:57 PM
Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.
Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.

Exactly. What I'm questioning is whether or not he is capable of doing that.

Bearsfan123
10-03-2006, 05:52 PM
Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.

yes but the thing is hes leading the offense. He is the leader. You hear that from all the players that they respect him. Now as to the pressure, I dunno. But I think the rest of that offense believes he could deal and would put their faith in him to win the game.

sweetness34
10-03-2006, 10:05 PM
Goddamn stop it with all this "Bears SuperBowl Bound" crap...We're 4-0, whoopdy ******* doo....I love our team and what we've done so far. But my god, all the sudden we're "SuperBowl Bound" after we hadn't proven anything up to this point by beating GB, Detroit, and Minny.

We're a talented team, yes, but as a Chicago fan with the chokes of the Cubbies and my Bears, I'm still skeptical of our chances.

If we play to our potential every game here on out, we have enough talent to make a run at the SB but like 51 said, anything can happen.

So please stop with all this Bears to the SB talk until we get to the postseason.

Namy
10-03-2006, 10:15 PM
Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.
Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.
lol. A QB has to be efficient under pressure against great defenses in the playoffs. Sure, they don't have to do everything, but an inexperienced Grossman (who, imo, I think isn't that talented anyway [sry bears fans]), will screw up too many times against good defenses. What Grossman is doing now means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Even Big Ben, as you mentioned, bombed it in his first playoff outing.

sweetness34
10-03-2006, 10:31 PM
Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.
Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.
lol. A QB has to be efficient under pressure against great defenses in the playoffs. Sure, they don't have to do everything, but an inexperienced Grossman (who, imo, I think isn't that talented anyway [sry bears fans]), will screw up too many times against good defenses. What Grossman is doing now means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Even Big Ben, as you mentioned, bombed it in his first playoff outing.

Namy I love ya as a poster but Grossman "not that talented." Wow, watcha smokin man. He's definitely talented. Big arm, great accuracy, smart, good leader, tough (those injuries were flukes), and a saavy player.

The thing is dude, Grossman's been in a playoff game. He played against Carolina last year and played well in the 2nd Half. So that rationale is a little flawed.

Rex has exceded 99% of this boards expectations. Including myself. I knew he'd be good, but not this good. And for us to win games he really doesn't have to play at the level he's playing at now, but hey I'm not complaining. He can manage a game, while moving our offense and we'll have a good shot to win every game the rest of the way, but I know he's going to more than just a game manager. He's a legit QB who still has a lot of potential.

D4rk 0ne
10-03-2006, 10:36 PM
Your question was if he is capable of leading a team to the Superbowl. To that, I don't know if he will ever be. He certainly isn't now. However, is his team capable of getting to the Superbowl? Definitely.

sweetness34
10-03-2006, 10:40 PM
Your question was if he is capable of leading a team to the Superbowl. To that, I don't know if he will ever be. He certainly isn't now. However, is his team capable of getting to the Superbowl? Definitely.

I'll agree with that. Rex won't "lead" us to a SB, but he is a big piece to what could be a trip to the SB if we stay healthy and keep playing well.

I just hope we don't lean on Rex too much here to produce huge numbers every week. I'd be happy with 200 yards and a TD game in and game out.

IRONMAN27
10-03-2006, 10:40 PM
Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.
Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.
lol. A QB has to be efficient under pressure against great defenses in the playoffs. Sure, they don't have to do everything, but an inexperienced Grossman (who, imo, I think isn't that talented anyway [sry bears fans]), will screw up too many times against good defenses. What Grossman is doing now means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Even Big Ben, as you mentioned, bombed it in his first playoff outing.

Namy I love ya as a poster but Grossman "not that talented." Wow, watcha smokin man. He's definitely talented. Big arm, great accuracy, smart, good leader, tough (those injuries were flukes), and a saavy player.

The thing is dude, Grossman's been in a playoff game. He played against Carolina last year and played well in the 2nd Half. So that rationale is a little flawed.

Rex has exceded 99% of this boards expectations. Including myself. I knew he'd be good, but not this good. And for us to win games he really doesn't have to play at the level he's playing at now, but hey I'm not complaining. He can manage a game, while moving our offense and we'll have a good shot to win every game the rest of the way, but I know he's going to more than just a game manager. He's a legit QB who still has a lot of potential.

He has not been a proven leader. This is the most amount of games he's played since his injury-riddled career. He failed to lead his team in the playoffs last year. You can say he played great in the 2nd Half, but bottom line, he didn't win. He has been great so far, but I wanna see if it lasts the whole season.

sweetness34
10-03-2006, 10:44 PM
Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.
Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.
lol. A QB has to be efficient under pressure against great defenses in the playoffs. Sure, they don't have to do everything, but an inexperienced Grossman (who, imo, I think isn't that talented anyway [sry bears fans]), will screw up too many times against good defenses. What Grossman is doing now means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Even Big Ben, as you mentioned, bombed it in his first playoff outing.

Namy I love ya as a poster but Grossman "not that talented." Wow, watcha smokin man. He's definitely talented. Big arm, great accuracy, smart, good leader, tough (those injuries were flukes), and a saavy player.

The thing is dude, Grossman's been in a playoff game. He played against Carolina last year and played well in the 2nd Half. So that rationale is a little flawed.

Rex has exceded 99% of this boards expectations. Including myself. I knew he'd be good, but not this good. And for us to win games he really doesn't have to play at the level he's playing at now, but hey I'm not complaining. He can manage a game, while moving our offense and we'll have a good shot to win every game the rest of the way, but I know he's going to more than just a game manager. He's a legit QB who still has a lot of potential.

He has not been a proven leader. This is the most amount of games he's played since his injury-riddled career. He failed to lead his team in the playoffs last year. You can say he played great in the 2nd Half, but bottom line, he didn't win. He has been great so far, but I wanna see if it lasts the whole season.

Our defense didn't win the playoff game. 21 points was enough to win that game. Our defense lost that game, period. I don't put any of the load on Rex's shoulders. Sure he had a difficult first half but he put up 21 points on the board, and our defense couldn't hold.

IRONMAN27
10-03-2006, 10:48 PM
Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.
Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.
lol. A QB has to be efficient under pressure against great defenses in the playoffs. Sure, they don't have to do everything, but an inexperienced Grossman (who, imo, I think isn't that talented anyway [sry bears fans]), will screw up too many times against good defenses. What Grossman is doing now means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Even Big Ben, as you mentioned, bombed it in his first playoff outing.

Namy I love ya as a poster but Grossman "not that talented." Wow, watcha smokin man. He's definitely talented. Big arm, great accuracy, smart, good leader, tough (those injuries were flukes), and a saavy player.

The thing is dude, Grossman's been in a playoff game. He played against Carolina last year and played well in the 2nd Half. So that rationale is a little flawed.

Rex has exceded 99% of this boards expectations. Including myself. I knew he'd be good, but not this good. And for us to win games he really doesn't have to play at the level he's playing at now, but hey I'm not complaining. He can manage a game, while moving our offense and we'll have a good shot to win every game the rest of the way, but I know he's going to more than just a game manager. He's a legit QB who still has a lot of potential.

He has not been a proven leader. This is the most amount of games he's played since his injury-riddled career. He failed to lead his team in the playoffs last year. You can say he played great in the 2nd Half, but bottom line, he didn't win. He has been great so far, but I wanna see if it lasts the whole season.

Our defense didn't win the playoff game. 21 points was enough to win that game. Our defense lost that game, period. I don't put any of the load on Rex's shoulders. Sure he had a difficult first half but he put up 21 points on the board, and our defense couldn't hold.
A proven leader IMO, would be able to overcome that... someone like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, who can go above and beyond and carry a team when others stuggle. I haven't seen that out of Grossman Obviously, this season maybe his time to prove that, but until he does, I'm still holding out.

sweetness34
10-03-2006, 10:53 PM
Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.
Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.
lol. A QB has to be efficient under pressure against great defenses in the playoffs. Sure, they don't have to do everything, but an inexperienced Grossman (who, imo, I think isn't that talented anyway [sry bears fans]), will screw up too many times against good defenses. What Grossman is doing now means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Even Big Ben, as you mentioned, bombed it in his first playoff outing.

Namy I love ya as a poster but Grossman "not that talented." Wow, watcha smokin man. He's definitely talented. Big arm, great accuracy, smart, good leader, tough (those injuries were flukes), and a saavy player.

The thing is dude, Grossman's been in a playoff game. He played against Carolina last year and played well in the 2nd Half. So that rationale is a little flawed.

Rex has exceded 99% of this boards expectations. Including myself. I knew he'd be good, but not this good. And for us to win games he really doesn't have to play at the level he's playing at now, but hey I'm not complaining. He can manage a game, while moving our offense and we'll have a good shot to win every game the rest of the way, but I know he's going to more than just a game manager. He's a legit QB who still has a lot of potential.

He has not been a proven leader. This is the most amount of games he's played since his injury-riddled career. He failed to lead his team in the playoffs last year. You can say he played great in the 2nd Half, but bottom line, he didn't win. He has been great so far, but I wanna see if it lasts the whole season.

Our defense didn't win the playoff game. 21 points was enough to win that game. Our defense lost that game, period. I don't put any of the load on Rex's shoulders. Sure he had a difficult first half but he put up 21 points on the board, and our defense couldn't hold.
A proven leader IMO, would be able to overcome that... someone like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, who can go above and beyond and carry a team when others stuggle. I haven't seen that out of Grossman Obviously, this season maybe his time to prove that, but until he does, I'm still holding out.

Struggle? Hmmm, more like our defense bombed that game.

yodabear
10-03-2006, 10:55 PM
Unless Sexy Rexy is getting traded to the Jets or Rams, NO!

Dam8610
10-03-2006, 10:56 PM
Capable? Yes. Will it happen? They look to have a better chance than anyone in the NFC.

sweetness34
10-03-2006, 10:58 PM
Capable? Yes. Will it happen? They look to have a better chance than anyone in the NFC.

It's why ya gotta love football. The best teams fall a lot of the time. And like many have said, a great regular season is fine but unless you prove it in the postseason, it doens't matter.

Bearsfan123
10-03-2006, 11:06 PM
Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.


Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.
lol. A QB has to be efficient under pressure against great defenses in the playoffs. Sure, they don't have to do everything, but an inexperienced Grossman (who, imo, I think isn't that talented anyway [sry bears fans]), will screw up too many times against good defenses. What Grossman is doing now means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Even Big Ben, as you mentioned, bombed it in his first playoff outing.

Namy I love ya as a poster but Grossman "not that talented." Wow, watcha smokin man. He's definitely talented. Big arm, great accuracy, smart, good leader, tough (those injuries were flukes), and a saavy player.

The thing is dude, Grossman's been in a playoff game. He played against Carolina last year and played well in the 2nd Half. So that rationale is a little flawed.

Rex has exceded 99% of this boards expectations. Including myself. I knew he'd be good, but not this good. And for us to win games he really doesn't have to play at the level he's playing at now, but hey I'm not complaining. He can manage a game, while moving our offense and we'll have a good shot to win every game the rest of the way, but I know he's going to more than just a game manager. He's a legit QB who still has a lot of potential.

He has not been a proven leader. This is the most amount of games he's played since his injury-riddled career. He failed to lead his team in the playoffs last year. You can say he played great in the 2nd Half, but bottom line, he didn't win. He has been great so far, but I wanna see if it lasts the whole season.

Our defense didn't win the playoff game. 21 points was enough to win that game. Our defense lost that game, period. I don't put any of the load on Rex's shoulders. Sure he had a difficult first half but he put up 21 points on the board, and our defense couldn't hold.
A proven leader IMO, would be able to overcome that... someone like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, who can go above and beyond and carry a team when others stuggle. I haven't seen that out of Grossman Obviously, this season maybe his time to prove that, but until he does, I'm still holding out.

you're absolutely right. But this year isnt last year, so I believe he can lead us. He is a leader on the offense, why cant ppl see that? Now does he lead the entire team? No, he just leads the offense. The defense doesnt look to him, they look after their own. The offensive players respect him, they play hard for him, and they trust him. Hes their leader. Period.

bearfan
10-03-2006, 11:12 PM
Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.


Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.
lol. A QB has to be efficient under pressure against great defenses in the playoffs. Sure, they don't have to do everything, but an inexperienced Grossman (who, imo, I think isn't that talented anyway [sry bears fans]), will screw up too many times against good defenses. What Grossman is doing now means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Even Big Ben, as you mentioned, bombed it in his first playoff outing.

Namy I love ya as a poster but Grossman "not that talented." Wow, watcha smokin man. He's definitely talented. Big arm, great accuracy, smart, good leader, tough (those injuries were flukes), and a saavy player.

The thing is dude, Grossman's been in a playoff game. He played against Carolina last year and played well in the 2nd Half. So that rationale is a little flawed.

Rex has exceded 99% of this boards expectations. Including myself. I knew he'd be good, but not this good. And for us to win games he really doesn't have to play at the level he's playing at now, but hey I'm not complaining. He can manage a game, while moving our offense and we'll have a good shot to win every game the rest of the way, but I know he's going to more than just a game manager. He's a legit QB who still has a lot of potential.

He has not been a proven leader. This is the most amount of games he's played since his injury-riddled career. He failed to lead his team in the playoffs last year. You can say he played great in the 2nd Half, but bottom line, he didn't win. He has been great so far, but I wanna see if it lasts the whole season.

Our defense didn't win the playoff game. 21 points was enough to win that game. Our defense lost that game, period. I don't put any of the load on Rex's shoulders. Sure he had a difficult first half but he put up 21 points on the board, and our defense couldn't hold.
A proven leader IMO, would be able to overcome that... someone like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, who can go above and beyond and carry a team when others stuggle. I haven't seen that out of Grossman Obviously, this season maybe his time to prove that, but until he does, I'm still holding out.

you're absolutely right. But this year isnt last year, so I believe he can lead us. He is a leader on the offense, why cant ppl see that? Now does he lead the entire team? No, he just leads the offense. The defense doesnt look to him, they look after their own. The offensive players respect him, they play hard for him, and they trust him. Hes their leader. Period.

Especially since the players see him as the leader on offense :roll: IDK how everyone can go against that :roll:

Bearsfan123
10-03-2006, 11:25 PM
Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.


Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.
lol. A QB has to be efficient under pressure against great defenses in the playoffs. Sure, they don't have to do everything, but an inexperienced Grossman (who, imo, I think isn't that talented anyway [sry bears fans]), will screw up too many times against good defenses. What Grossman is doing now means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Even Big Ben, as you mentioned, bombed it in his first playoff outing.

Namy I love ya as a poster but Grossman "not that talented." Wow, watcha smokin man. He's definitely talented. Big arm, great accuracy, smart, good leader, tough (those injuries were flukes), and a saavy player.

The thing is dude, Grossman's been in a playoff game. He played against Carolina last year and played well in the 2nd Half. So that rationale is a little flawed.

Rex has exceded 99% of this boards expectations. Including myself. I knew he'd be good, but not this good. And for us to win games he really doesn't have to play at the level he's playing at now, but hey I'm not complaining. He can manage a game, while moving our offense and we'll have a good shot to win every game the rest of the way, but I know he's going to more than just a game manager. He's a legit QB who still has a lot of potential.

He has not been a proven leader. This is the most amount of games he's played since his injury-riddled career. He failed to lead his team in the playoffs last year. You can say he played great in the 2nd Half, but bottom line, he didn't win. He has been great so far, but I wanna see if it lasts the whole season.

Our defense didn't win the playoff game. 21 points was enough to win that game. Our defense lost that game, period. I don't put any of the load on Rex's shoulders. Sure he had a difficult first half but he put up 21 points on the board, and our defense couldn't hold.
A proven leader IMO, would be able to overcome that... someone like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, who can go above and beyond and carry a team when others stuggle. I haven't seen that out of Grossman Obviously, this season maybe his time to prove that, but until he does, I'm still holding out.

you're absolutely right. But this year isnt last year, so I believe he can lead us. He is a leader on the offense, why cant ppl see that? Now does he lead the entire team? No, he just leads the offense. The defense doesnt look to him, they look after their own. The offensive players respect him, they play hard for him, and they trust him. Hes their leader. Period.

Especially since the players see him as the leader on offense :roll: IDK how everyone can go against that :roll:

the question is Do you think Rex is capable of leading his team to the Super Bowl this year?

He is the offense's leader. He showed in the Minny game that he can overcome his mistakes and bs calls (also known as adversity). I dont see any reason he isnt CAPABLE of it. If the word was probable I would say no. But I think Rex is capable of leading the team, for the sole reason is that the players respect and trust him.

bearsfan_51
10-04-2006, 10:03 AM
Trent Dilfer was an established veteran when he led his team to the Superbowl.

And see, here's where everyone saying "he doesn't need to lead his team" is wrong. He's the quarterback. He's the offensive leader. There's going to be a point and time where the pressure is on him...a lot of pressure. And is he going to do well or not? I doubt the defense is going to shut everyone out. Grossman is going to need to have some big drives down the strech.

The Bears do have the best defense, in my opinion, but they're going to need Grossman to say calm and play mistake free football if they want to win the big one.
Grossman can do what Big Ben did last year. Quarterback is just a piece of the puzzle, there are plenty of mediocre QB's (sometimes very young ones) that have won Superbowls.
lol. A QB has to be efficient under pressure against great defenses in the playoffs. Sure, they don't have to do everything, but an inexperienced Grossman (who, imo, I think isn't that talented anyway [sry bears fans]), will screw up too many times against good defenses. What Grossman is doing now means nothing when it comes to the playoffs. Even Big Ben, as you mentioned, bombed it in his first playoff outing.

Namy I love ya as a poster but Grossman "not that talented." Wow, watcha smokin man. He's definitely talented. Big arm, great accuracy, smart, good leader, tough (those injuries were flukes), and a saavy player.

The thing is dude, Grossman's been in a playoff game. He played against Carolina last year and played well in the 2nd Half. So that rationale is a little flawed.

Rex has exceded 99% of this boards expectations. Including myself. I knew he'd be good, but not this good. And for us to win games he really doesn't have to play at the level he's playing at now, but hey I'm not complaining. He can manage a game, while moving our offense and we'll have a good shot to win every game the rest of the way, but I know he's going to more than just a game manager. He's a legit QB who still has a lot of potential.

He has not been a proven leader. This is the most amount of games he's played since his injury-riddled career. He failed to lead his team in the playoffs last year. You can say he played great in the 2nd Half, but bottom line, he didn't win. He has been great so far, but I wanna see if it lasts the whole season.

Our defense didn't win the playoff game. 21 points was enough to win that game. Our defense lost that game, period. I don't put any of the load on Rex's shoulders. Sure he had a difficult first half but he put up 21 points on the board, and our defense couldn't hold.
A proven leader IMO, would be able to overcome that... someone like a Peyton Manning or Tom Brady, who can go above and beyond and carry a team when others stuggle. I haven't seen that out of Grossman Obviously, this season maybe his time to prove that, but until he does, I'm still holding out.
So basically what you're saying is that Tom Brady isn't a proven leader anymore because he wasn't able to respond to the beatdown they took from Denver. He was a proven leader, but once a team loses, the QB isn't a proven leader anymore. Football is a team oriented game. The QB is given too much credit when the team wins and too much blame when the team loses. I would say Rex is, at best, the 7th-8th most important player on our team.