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The Legend
10-03-2006, 07:12 PM
he has 2 sacks on the year last year he had 8 sacks told

he had 4 years in a row with 10+ sacks , then what happen'd

do you guys think he will get 10 sacks this year

should he be traded in the offseason or let go

10 sacks in the last 20 games not that great of a stat

bltbjdd
10-03-2006, 07:26 PM
KGB is my favorite lineman in the league, no doubt, I think that he will stay in Green Bay next year and will finish the year with more than 8 sacks. Last year he had no interior push at all or help from the linebackers much, this year the defense is better, all though they might not rank as high as they did last year under Jim Bates, but it is a better group and KGB should get IMO, 9.5 sacks this season.

Vince Lombardi
10-03-2006, 07:38 PM
GB couldn't really afford to let him go from a talent perspective unless they draft somebody or sign a big FA, as him and Kampman are vastly superior to any of the other DE's on the team. He does have some big numbers on his contract though so he's definately gonna have to step up his production.

2006 3850000.00
2007 5000000.00
2008 6150000.00
2009 7300000.00

Honestly, I think his dip in production was more due to having no help on the D-line around him the last few years and it should improve this year.

70challenger457
10-03-2006, 07:52 PM
If Mike Montgomery can step up this year and prove he's worth a starting job, release him, he's not worth the money

GB12
10-03-2006, 08:01 PM
If Mike Montgomery can step up this year and prove he's worth a starting job, release him, he's not worth the money

I think we would take a big cap hit though if we released him. If Montgomery steps upenough (unlikely that he will) then we can bring in KGB as just a pass rusher specialist.

jackalope
10-03-2006, 09:07 PM
there are a ton of these threads

Greg Jennings has been great and had a big game last night

GB12
10-03-2006, 09:10 PM
there are a ton of these threads

Greg Jennings has been great and had a big game last night

Wrong thread. You must have meant to post in the
Best Rookies through 1 Quarter of the season thread. Jennings was mentioned in the first post there.

art vandelay
10-03-2006, 09:54 PM
KGB is inconsistent and overrated IMO. Kampman is a much better DE.

Ward
10-03-2006, 09:57 PM
KGB is inconsistent and overrated IMO. Kampman is a much better DE.

Seriously, give me 4 Kampmans and you have a pretty damn good D-line.

bearfan
10-03-2006, 11:07 PM
KGB is inconsistent and overrated IMO. Kampman is a much better DE.

Seriously, give me 4 Kampmans and you have a pretty damn good D-line.

well put both of you

BlindSite
10-03-2006, 11:35 PM
IMO he'd be a beast at OLB in the 34, but he's only average and gets a lot of sacks against crappy opponents and then disappears.

bogart69
10-04-2006, 12:52 PM
... but he's only average and gets a lot of sacks against crappy opponents and then disappears.

Totally agree..Plus he's undersized and gets manhandled too often.. 3rd down DE at best.. Kampman is miles ahead right now..

10-04-2006, 03:52 PM
Does he have the quickness to play 34 OLB, and possibly stongside?

GB12
10-04-2006, 06:45 PM
Does he have the quickness to play 34 OLB, and possibly stongside?

I dont think he'd be a good LB at all.

bigbluedefense
10-04-2006, 07:04 PM
Let him go. Nab Justin Tuck from us for cheap. That way you get great value and possibly a great DE on the come up.

Then you draft Tim Crowder in round 2. Save a ton of money, and quite possibly improve your End position at the same time.

Then nab Gregg from Baltimore to fill the NT spot. You nab cheap replacements that would get you overall better production.

Thats what I would do. With the money you save, you can address other needs. Youre set at LB, maybe a ballhawk FS can be in the works for round 1.

If all else fails, you can let go KGB and draft a stud in round 1.

Brodeur
10-04-2006, 07:07 PM
Kalimba Edwards got 5/20 million for being a much worse version of KGB, he'll still get plenty of money in Free Agency.

Moses
10-05-2006, 08:49 AM
Let him go. Nab Justin Tuck from us for cheap. That way you get great value and possibly a great DE on the come up.

Then you draft Tim Crowder in round 2. Save a ton of money, and quite possibly improve your End position at the same time.

Then nab Gregg from Baltimore to fill the NT spot. You nab cheap replacements that would get you overall better production.

Thats what I would do. With the money you save, you can address other needs. Youre set at LB, maybe a ballhawk FS can be in the works for round 1.

If all else fails, you can let go KGB and draft a stud in round 1.

The first round (and probably a lot of the 1st day) will be dedicated to offensive skill positions I think. Running back, wide receiver, and probably tight end are all going to be addressed early.

Nitschke-Hawk
10-05-2006, 09:58 AM
Thats what I would do. With the money you save, you can address other needs. Youre set at LB, maybe a ballhawk FS can be in the works for round 1.

If all else fails, you can let go KGB and draft a stud in round 1.

Nick Collins is playing FS you wanna replace him already? no we need a stud SS. Or we could move Collins to corner but that would waste his hitting ability and athleticism to roam the whole field. He was the guy containing Reggie Bush when we played the Saints

KGB is inconsistent and overrated IMO. Kampman is a much better DE.

Yeah Kamp is one of the most complete DE's in the game. But I think on the right side you can sorta get away with what KGB does, he added muscle pounds in the offseason to help him and he is playing the run better, also based on our Yards Per Carry (rush defense) and Sack production from the D-Line, our D-Line is probably the strength of our team so far.

Nitschke-Hawk
10-05-2006, 10:05 AM
Let him go. Nab Justin Tuck from us for cheap. That way you get great value and possibly a great DE on the come up.

Then you draft Tim Crowder in round 2. Save a ton of money, and quite possibly improve your End position at the same time.

Then nab Gregg from Baltimore to fill the NT spot. You nab cheap replacements that would get you overall better production.

Thats what I would do. With the money you save, you can address other needs. Youre set at LB, maybe a ballhawk FS can be in the works for round 1.

If all else fails, you can let go KGB and draft a stud in round 1.

The first round (and probably a lot of the 1st day) will be dedicated to offensive skill positions I think. Running back, wide receiver, and probably tight end are all going to be addressed early.

Do you think we should use Bubba as primarily a blocking TE like Kyle Brady and also a Redzone threat for the rest of his time and draft a young athletic pass catcher? I think it would help Aaron out a lot because Bubba would take care of blitzers and the other guy will be there to catch passes. I know this is pretty much what we're doing right now (the blocking part) because teams wanna blitz against our inexperience, so essentially we're doing it cause we have to, but in the future kind of make it something we hang our hat on, using an extra blocker would allow us to use our RB out of the backfield more, since he wouldn't have to block as much.

bearsfan_51
10-05-2006, 12:05 PM
Thats what I would do. With the money you save, you can address other needs. Youre set at LB, maybe a ballhawk FS can be in the works for round 1.

If all else fails, you can let go KGB and draft a stud in round 1.

Nick Collins is playing FS you wanna replace him already? no we need a stud SS. Or we could move Collins to corner but that would waste his hitting ability and athleticism to roam the whole field. He was the guy containing Reggie Bush when we played the Saints

KGB is inconsistent and overrated IMO. Kampman is a much better DE.

Yeah Kamp is one of the most complete DE's in the game. But I think on the right side you can sorta get away with what KGB does, he added muscle pounds in the offseason to help him and he is playing the run better, also based on our Yards Per Carry (rush defense) and Sack production from the D-Line, our D-Line is probably the strength of our team so far.
If by complete, you mean completely average, I agree.

bigbluedefense
10-05-2006, 12:11 PM
Let him go. Nab Justin Tuck from us for cheap. That way you get great value and possibly a great DE on the come up.

Then you draft Tim Crowder in round 2. Save a ton of money, and quite possibly improve your End position at the same time.

Then nab Gregg from Baltimore to fill the NT spot. You nab cheap replacements that would get you overall better production.

Thats what I would do. With the money you save, you can address other needs. Youre set at LB, maybe a ballhawk FS can be in the works for round 1.

If all else fails, you can let go KGB and draft a stud in round 1.

The first round (and probably a lot of the 1st day) will be dedicated to offensive skill positions I think. Running back, wide receiver, and probably tight end are all going to be addressed early.

Do you think we should use Bubba as primarily a blocking TE like Kyle Brady and also a Redzone threat for the rest of his time and draft a young athletic pass catcher? I think it would help Aaron out a lot because Bubba would take care of blitzers and the other guy will be there to catch passes. I know this is pretty much what we're doing right now (the blocking part) because teams wanna blitz against our inexperience, so essentially we're doing it cause we have to, but in the future kind of make it something we hang our hat on, using an extra blocker would allow us to use our RB out of the backfield more, since he wouldn't have to block as much.

You guys play in the frozen tundra. I know historically GB has been known as an offensive team, but I think in that environment, they should build this team with defense and a run game. I think you let KGB go, let Favre retire, cut Green, and build around defense and the run game.

Try to steal Tuck from us, nabb Gregg to man the NT spot, draft Tim Crowder in Round 2, draft Michael Bush/Adrian Peterson in round 1, nab a OG in round 3, nab a SS round 4, a WR round 5, and you'll be going in the right direction.

TitleTown088
10-05-2006, 12:19 PM
Let him go. Nab Justin Tuck from us for cheap. That way you get great value and possibly a great DE on the come up.

Then you draft Tim Crowder in round 2. Save a ton of money, and quite possibly improve your End position at the same time.

Then nab Gregg from Baltimore to fill the NT spot. You nab cheap replacements that would get you overall better production.

Thats what I would do. With the money you save, you can address other needs. Youre set at LB, maybe a ballhawk FS can be in the works for round 1.

If all else fails, you can let go KGB and draft a stud in round 1.

The first round (and probably a lot of the 1st day) will be dedicated to offensive skill positions I think. Running back, wide receiver, and probably tight end are all going to be addressed early.

Do you think we should use Bubba as primarily a blocking TE like Kyle Brady and also a Redzone threat for the rest of his time and draft a young athletic pass catcher? I think it would help Aaron out a lot because Bubba would take care of blitzers and the other guy will be there to catch passes. I know this is pretty much what we're doing right now (the blocking part) because teams wanna blitz against our inexperience, so essentially we're doing it cause we have to, but in the future kind of make it something we hang our hat on, using an extra blocker would allow us to use our RB out of the backfield more, since he wouldn't have to block as much.

You guys play in the frozen tundra. I know historically GB has been known as an offensive team, but I think in that environment, they should build this team with defense and a run game. I think you let KGB go, let Favre retire, cut Green, and build around defense and the run game.

Try to steal Tuck from us, nabb Gregg to man the NT spot, draft Tim Crowder in Round 2, draft Michael Bush/Adrian Peterson in round 1, nab a OG in round 3, nab a SS round 4, a WR round 5, and you'll be going in the right direction.

Thats exactly what i am thinking too. I dont know if we'll be able to get peterson though.

Vince Lombardi
10-05-2006, 12:28 PM
You guys play in the frozen tundra. I know historically GB has been known as an offensive team, but I think in that environment, they should build this team with defense and a run game. I think you let KGB go, let Favre retire, cut Green, and build around defense and the run game.

I agree. That's why I wanted them to sign Jim Bates or atleast a different defensive minded coach. :?

bearsfan_51
10-05-2006, 12:32 PM
You guys play in the frozen tundra. I know historically GB has been known as an offensive team, but I think in that environment, they should build this team with defense and a run game. I think you let KGB go, let Favre retire, cut Green, and build around defense and the run game.

I agree. That's why I wanted them to sign Jim Bates or atleast a different defensive minded coach. :?
Ron Rivera

portermvp84
10-05-2006, 12:54 PM
they'll keep him besides there linebacaking core thats all they got.

Favre4
10-05-2006, 01:07 PM
i dont know if you watch packer games but half of kabeers 10 sacks come when the packers are down 20 with 2 minutes left in the game. they mean nothing!

LonghornsLegend
10-05-2006, 01:47 PM
IMO he'd be a beast at OLB in the 34, but he's only average and gets a lot of sacks against crappy opponents and then disappears.


correct


see greg ellis

Nitschke-Hawk
10-06-2006, 02:11 PM
Thats what I would do. With the money you save, you can address other needs. Youre set at LB, maybe a ballhawk FS can be in the works for round 1.

If all else fails, you can let go KGB and draft a stud in round 1.

Nick Collins is playing FS you wanna replace him already? no we need a stud SS. Or we could move Collins to corner but that would waste his hitting ability and athleticism to roam the whole field. He was the guy containing Reggie Bush when we played the Saints

KGB is inconsistent and overrated IMO. Kampman is a much better DE.

Yeah Kamp is one of the most complete DE's in the game. But I think on the right side you can sorta get away with what KGB does, he added muscle pounds in the offseason to help him and he is playing the run better, also based on our Yards Per Carry (rush defense) and Sack production from the D-Line, our D-Line is probably the strength of our team so far.
If by complete, you mean completely average, I agree.

I'm losing more and more respect for you, you used to give good analysis and not trash talk but now it seems all you do is talk trash and give a good opinion rarely. I didn't say he was Reggie White or Bruce Smith, I said he had a complete game, he does lots of things well and has a great motor. If he didn't play hard all the time he wouldn't be as good. I know he's not an elite player but you ask players who've played him this year if he's average and they'll tell you he's good. Don't let the Bears fan in you get in the way, if you can't admit he's good then what the hell are you yapping about when everybody else knows he's a good player.

NIG
10-06-2006, 02:20 PM
Thats what I would do. With the money you save, you can address other needs. Youre set at LB, maybe a ballhawk FS can be in the works for round 1.

If all else fails, you can let go KGB and draft a stud in round 1.

Nick Collins is playing FS you wanna replace him already? no we need a stud SS. Or we could move Collins to corner but that would waste his hitting ability and athleticism to roam the whole field. He was the guy containing Reggie Bush when we played the Saints

KGB is inconsistent and overrated IMO. Kampman is a much better DE.

Yeah Kamp is one of the most complete DE's in the game. But I think on the right side you can sorta get away with what KGB does, he added muscle pounds in the offseason to help him and he is playing the run better, also based on our Yards Per Carry (rush defense) and Sack production from the D-Line, our D-Line is probably the strength of our team so far.
If by complete, you mean completely average, I agree.

I'm losing more and more respect for you, you used to give good analysis and not trash talk but now it seems all you do is talk trash and give a good opinion rarely. I didn't say he was Reggie White or Bruce Smith, I said he had a complete game, he does lots of things well and has a great motor. If he didn't play hard all the time he wouldn't be as good. I know he's not an elite player but you ask players who've played him this year if he's average and they'll tell you he's good. Don't let the Bears fan in you get in the way, if you can't admit he's good then what the hell are you yapping about when everybody else knows he's a good player.

I agree with you completely Nitschke. Kampman is a very complete DE. He is a really really high energy guy. Very Stout against the run, and every time i watch him on a passing down he is collapsing the pocket. He is a very good player, who im sure most teams would love to have on there roster. And as for KGB, one word describes him....Overrated. Sorry.

Jonathan_VIlma
10-06-2006, 03:33 PM
Thats what I would do. With the money you save, you can address other needs. Youre set at LB, maybe a ballhawk FS can be in the works for round 1.

If all else fails, you can let go KGB and draft a stud in round 1.

Nick Collins is playing FS you wanna replace him already? no we need a stud SS. Or we could move Collins to corner but that would waste his hitting ability and athleticism to roam the whole field. He was the guy containing Reggie Bush when we played the Saints

KGB is inconsistent and overrated IMO. Kampman is a much better DE.

Yeah Kamp is one of the most complete DE's in the game. But I think on the right side you can sorta get away with what KGB does, he added muscle pounds in the offseason to help him and he is playing the run better, also based on our Yards Per Carry (rush defense) and Sack production from the D-Line, our D-Line is probably the strength of our team so far.
If by complete, you mean completely average, I agree.

I'm losing more and more respect for you, you used to give good analysis and not trash talk but now it seems all you do is talk trash and give a good opinion rarely. I didn't say he was Reggie White or Bruce Smith, I said he had a complete game, he does lots of things well and has a great motor. If he didn't play hard all the time he wouldn't be as good. I know he's not an elite player but you ask players who've played him this year if he's average and they'll tell you he's good. Don't let the Bears fan in you get in the way, if you can't admit he's good then what the hell are you yapping about when everybody else knows he's a good player.
You're really contradicting yourself here. By saying he's one of the most complete defensive ends in the NFL, then you're pretty much sticking him in the elite category. The most complete end in the game has a name ending in eppers. If you want to consider Kampman in that class of being the most complete, then you're making him elite.

bearsfan_51
10-06-2006, 03:42 PM
Thats what I would do. With the money you save, you can address other needs. Youre set at LB, maybe a ballhawk FS can be in the works for round 1.

If all else fails, you can let go KGB and draft a stud in round 1.

Nick Collins is playing FS you wanna replace him already? no we need a stud SS. Or we could move Collins to corner but that would waste his hitting ability and athleticism to roam the whole field. He was the guy containing Reggie Bush when we played the Saints

KGB is inconsistent and overrated IMO. Kampman is a much better DE.

Yeah Kamp is one of the most complete DE's in the game. But I think on the right side you can sorta get away with what KGB does, he added muscle pounds in the offseason to help him and he is playing the run better, also based on our Yards Per Carry (rush defense) and Sack production from the D-Line, our D-Line is probably the strength of our team so far.
If by complete, you mean completely average, I agree.

I'm losing more and more respect for you, you used to give good analysis and not trash talk but now it seems all you do is talk trash and give a good opinion rarely. I didn't say he was Reggie White or Bruce Smith, I said he had a complete game, he does lots of things well and has a great motor. If he didn't play hard all the time he wouldn't be as good. I know he's not an elite player but you ask players who've played him this year if he's average and they'll tell you he's good. Don't let the Bears fan in you get in the way, if you can't admit he's good then what the hell are you yapping about when everybody else knows he's a good player.
Vilma basically already said what I was implying. I don't really think Kampman is average, I was merely saying that to imply how outlandish your comments were. To say that he is:

"One of the most complete ends in the game"

Is stupid.

So far Kampman's career high in sacks for a season is 6. He's good but not amazing against the run and while he does have a nice # of sacks so far this year, untill he actually racks up at least 12 sacks in a season, which would be double his career count, he's not much of a pass rush threat either. If he sustains his numbers throughout the year then I'll gladly eat my words, but right now he's not one of the top 10 DE's in the league, and if he's not in the top 10, he sure as hell ain't one of the most complete ends in the league.

Don't let the fact that you only have a handful of players that are having a good season get in the way of you not saying ridiculous things.

someone447
10-07-2006, 01:48 PM
The best way to describe Kampmann, he is very good at everything, but not great at anything.

bearsfan_51
10-07-2006, 02:24 PM
The best way to describe Kampmann, he is very good at everything, but not great at anything.
Yes.

someone447
10-07-2006, 04:01 PM
Which means he is a complete defensive end... To be a complete player doesnt mean you have to be elite. He can do everything well, therefore, he is a complete defensive end. He is one of the most complete DE's in the league.

bearsfan_51
10-07-2006, 05:10 PM
Which means he is a complete defensive end... To be a complete player doesnt mean you have to be elite. He can do everything well, therefore, he is a complete defensive end. He is one of the most complete DE's in the league.
No. There are at least 5 DE's that are better against both the run AND the pass than Kampman.

DHVF
10-07-2006, 06:35 PM
Which means he is a complete defensive end... To be a complete player doesnt mean you have to be elite. He can do everything well, therefore, he is a complete defensive end. He is one of the most complete DE's in the league.
No. There are at least 5 DE's that are better against both the run AND the pass than Kampman.No doubt. He is good, but in no way should anyone consider him to be at the top of the spectrum when it comes to DEs.