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Splat
10-05-2006, 09:39 AM
:?: :?: :?:

AlexDown
10-05-2006, 09:41 AM
Probably going ot have a hard time. I don't think Alex Smith put any points on the board against them last week. And their D isn't anything to be bragging about.

smittyjs
10-05-2006, 09:52 AM
Ok

therock6000
10-05-2006, 09:55 AM
between 175-200 yards, 1 touchdown, 2 ints...

Splat
10-05-2006, 10:00 AM
To tell you the truth I would not be shocked to see him have a good game the Chiefs have always had trouble vs back up/first time starting QB's that being said Herm has his D believe every word that comes out of his mouth so I hope they show up.

bigbluedefense
10-05-2006, 10:31 AM
He'll have an ok game. His line needs to protect him, and he needs the run game to come to life. They can't ask him to step in and throw 30+ times in his first start. Denny Green has always been a horrible game manager, I hope he doesn't ruin Leinart's confidence early.

Having that said, I can see Leinart making plays. Maybe 2 TDs, 2 INTs. he has all world talent around him. Its almost like playing at USC again, except this time with no oline, lol. But I expect him to have a good game.

Splat
10-05-2006, 12:42 PM
The Chiefs have yet to give up a passing TD this year but I look for that to change no way they can do that 4 games in a row.

portermvp84
10-05-2006, 12:48 PM
The Cheifs will win this game by a lot, but Lineart will improve alot more than he did last week. The thing that most impressed me was his accuracy it was right on the dot every time.

Splat
10-05-2006, 12:55 PM
Is Pope starting for them at TE? If so he should look for him alot Chiefs have been known to let TE's run free.

10-05-2006, 02:32 PM
22/30 382 yards 3 TD's

therock6000
10-05-2006, 02:38 PM
22/30 382 yards 3 TD's

:lol:

effthiskid11
10-05-2006, 02:58 PM
I agree w/ splat I can almost guarnatee that Fitz or Boldin are gonna bring in a TD pass, if not i'll be further impressed

Zim3031
10-05-2006, 03:01 PM
I think he'll play pretty damn good for his rookie start. Maybe something like
18-25 200 yards 1td 1 int. The circumstances aren't exactly as bad as it was for Vince Young.

Basileus777
10-05-2006, 03:21 PM
Is Pope starting for them at TE? If so he should look for him alot Chiefs have been known to let TE's run free.

Pope sucks, he won't have an impact. I expect Leinart to have a below-average game. He won't player terrible, but he isn't going to light it up on his first start against our defense.

Splat
10-05-2006, 03:44 PM
22/30 382 yards 3 TD's

That is bold I guess we know who voted great.

jackalope
10-05-2006, 03:48 PM
i don't think it'll be too bad. he should have an OK game. he's got enough weapons but the line needs to protect him.

10-05-2006, 04:27 PM
22/30 382 yards 3 TD's

That is bold I guess we know who voted great.

actually i voted good. i see him doing about 18/30 260 yards 1 TD 2 INT's

Staubach12
10-05-2006, 04:32 PM
14/24, 210 yds, 2 TDs, 3 INTs

...But he will improve as the season goes on.

jkpigskin
10-05-2006, 09:03 PM
if the o-line can improve and edgerrin james starts producing, then matt leinart will be a solid starter in this league...
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i expect decent but no win for matt leniart his sunday

Jensen
10-05-2006, 11:20 PM
20/31 274 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, 1 fumble. Hurried a crapload of times...

njx9
10-06-2006, 12:32 AM
derrick johnson will jake plummer him multiple times.

The Legend
10-06-2006, 01:23 AM
this will be Edge 1st 100 yard game with the cardinals

LonghornsLegend
10-06-2006, 01:52 AM
if your a fantasy football player kc defense is going to have a field day

ninerfan
10-06-2006, 02:37 AM
good day - couple TD's and prob a pick.

Splat
10-06-2006, 10:41 AM
this will be Edge 1st 100 yard game with the cardinals

If they give him the ball maybe but the Chiefs have played the run pretty good this year.

eacantdraft
10-06-2006, 03:05 PM
Arizona has the greatest trio of receivers in the league and nothing else. Bad offensive line, bad defense. Running game is inconsistant. Leinhart is not going to get off to a great start.

bigbluedefense
10-06-2006, 03:33 PM
Arizona has the greatest trio of receivers in the league and nothing else. Bad offensive line, bad defense. Running game is inconsistant. Leinhart is not going to get off to a great start.

Come on now, you've seen the Kurt Warner era in NY, you should know that alot of their woes are because of Kurt Warner. I expect the pass game to improve under Leinart. The oline is still poor yes, but with that trio of receivers, blitzing will be minimized and Leinart should get time to throw the ball most of the time.

Splat
10-08-2006, 02:47 PM
It is about time to find out!!!

10-08-2006, 02:54 PM
It is about time to find out!!!

http://www.picpop.com/gallery/albums/userpics/Fight%21/bringit.jpg

Flyboy
10-08-2006, 03:18 PM
Leinart can't throw the deep ball...

...


Oops.

stephenson86
10-08-2006, 03:26 PM
2 TD's already :shock:

LonghornsLegend
10-08-2006, 03:33 PM
welcome to the nfl matt....


two td passes in the first qt....


wonder how long it takes before all those teams between young and arizona will feel sick about not taking him...he looks great, and he is making his wr's look better, or it could be the other way around....


either way, for him to start this way on his first start, he looks VERY poised

shawn
10-08-2006, 04:08 PM
22/30 382 yards 3 TD's

so far...your prediction looks very accurate lol

10-08-2006, 04:11 PM
22/30 382 yards 3 TD's

so far...your prediction looks very accurate lol

knock on wood

10-08-2006, 06:24 PM
He'll have an ok game. His line needs to protect him, and he needs the run game to come to life. They can't ask him to step in and throw 30+ times in his first start. Denny Green has always been a horrible game manager, I hope he doesn't ruin Leinart's confidence early.

Having that said, I can see Leinart making plays. Maybe 2 TDs, 2 INTs. he has all world talent around him. Its almost like playing at USC again, except this time with no oline, lol. But I expect him to have a good game.

I didn't think they should but they did and he looked very good.

Basileus777
10-08-2006, 06:33 PM
Leinart had a great first quarter and played just ok after that. He showed alot today though, Cardinals fans should be happy about it.

Splat
10-08-2006, 06:34 PM
I will eat some crow nice game by Matt he came out ready to play Warner is never getting back on the field.

10-08-2006, 06:35 PM
I could see Warner with the Raiders next season, doing the whole mentor thing for a 3rd time.

Splat
10-08-2006, 06:41 PM
I could see Warner with the Raiders next season, doing the whole mentor thing for a 3rd time.

Funny thing is I would not be shocked LMAO.

10-08-2006, 06:48 PM
I could see Warner with the Raiders next season, doing the whole mentor thing for a 3rd time.

Funny thing is I would not be shocked LMAO.

Judging by this game and how Eli Manning has done, Warner is a good mentor. I think the Raiders would be wise to get him if they draft Quinn.

Geo
10-08-2006, 07:09 PM
Raiders need an offensive coordinator and OL coach more than they need Warner. :lol:

10-08-2006, 07:11 PM
Raiders need an offensive coordinator and OL coach more than they need Warner. :lol:

I know but he would be better than throwing Quinn in right away. If they draft him.

critesy
10-08-2006, 09:48 PM
22/35 253 2 1


those were pretty good stats for his first start.

Shiver
10-08-2006, 11:38 PM
Leinart has proven those who said he was the most NFL ready rookie QB right. Now, if he has fewer than 3 INTs versus the Bears he will be for real. Speaking of the Bears, my god they have a easy schedule.

cunningham06
10-08-2006, 11:59 PM
good day - couple TD's and prob a pick.

Good call, Leinart looked good today.

J-Mike88
08-31-2010, 09:06 AM
Is Leinart getting screwed over this pre-season?

Last I checked, his stats are 19/23 with a passer rating of over 100. And that's without Fitzgerald playing in any of them, and of course without Boldin.

So obviously he doesn't have as much to work with as normal, but still, 23 passes, only 4 have hit the ground. It hasn't led to many points though, but isn't that what we get from guys like David Garrard and Mark Sanchez?

I don't like Leinart, but I think he's getting hosed a bit. He can only do so much with what he's been given..... anyone who doesn't think Fitzgerald won't make a difference in terms of more yardage and points?

(I used the search for titles with Leinart, and all were old. Didn't want to create another thread, so here we go here.... interesting look back as well. Shiver, lol.)

tjsunstein
08-31-2010, 09:09 AM
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42364&page=6

J-Mike88
08-31-2010, 09:16 AM
http://draftcountdown.com/forum/showthread.php?t=42364&page=6
That's Derrick Anderson. I don't want to talk about Derrick Anderson, or the 2007 Browns season, Braylon Edwards, the Dawg Pound, etc.
I want to talk about Leinart only, not that ****.

soybean
08-31-2010, 04:23 PM
Ken Whisenhunt is dumb. He's not going anywhere with Derreck Anderson no matter the circumstance and if all the stars happened to align.

He should give leinart the job and if he sucks, let him fall on his own. You dont teach someone to ride a bike without the training wheels by not letting them ride in the first place.

get that analogy? no? ok...

Shiver
08-31-2010, 04:26 PM
Some of these posts are hilarious.

soybean
08-31-2010, 04:32 PM
Some of these posts are hilarious.

including yours?

Shiver
08-31-2010, 04:35 PM
I was always good at hedging my statements, sir.

CC.SD
08-31-2010, 04:42 PM
I was always good at hedging my statements, sir.

There's a flaming vagina in your avi


Leinart reference!

San Diego Chicken
08-31-2010, 05:12 PM
Arizona should have traded Leinart two years ago. Now they can't get anything for him. If you don't want him around, why string him along?

fenikz
08-31-2010, 06:42 PM
According to Jay Glazer he is being shopped around, has play good enough to be worth a conditional 5th maybe bumps up to a 4th if he hits certain numbers

My guess is Washington

BeerBaron
08-31-2010, 06:58 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/31/cardinals-have-started-shopping-matt-leinart/

Definitely being shopped, but his contract blows up in 2011 so it's unlikely he gets moved. He'll probably be outright cut.

Splat
08-31-2010, 07:08 PM
You can tell my posts were from my drinking days, it's a good thing I gave that up. :)

soybean
08-31-2010, 07:26 PM
Seattle??

Man, if he's a division rival... he's going to try his hardest to take it out on the cards. keyword: try

I could see him succeeding there with Carroll.

LonghornsLegend
08-31-2010, 07:36 PM
Is Leinart getting screwed over this pre-season?

Last I checked, his stats are 19/23 with a passer rating of over 100. And that's without Fitzgerald playing in any of them, and of course without Boldin.

So obviously he doesn't have as much to work with as normal, but still, 23 passes, only 4 have hit the ground. It hasn't led to many points though, but isn't that what we get from guys like David Garrard and Mark Sanchez?

I don't like Leinart, but I think he's getting hosed a bit. He can only do so much with what he's been given..... anyone who doesn't think Fitzgerald won't make a difference in terms of more yardage and points?

(I used the search for titles with Leinart, and all were old. Didn't want to create another thread, so here we go here.... interesting look back as well. Shiver, lol.)



How many incompletions did you expect him to have when he's checking it down and throwing swing passes to RB's constantly? You won't win a game that way, or generate any points, which is the one stat you consistently left off in your post. Instead of focusing on completions, look at how many 1st downs he's completed or how many scoring drives he's led.


He had his first start back in 2006 evidenced by this thread, he came from a pro style offense, he was a top 10 pick, there is no reason at all he should be still looking pitiful out on the field like he does.

fenikz
08-31-2010, 07:50 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/31/cardinals-have-started-shopping-matt-leinart/

Definitely being shopped, but his contract blows up in 2011 so it's unlikely he gets moved. He'll probably be outright cut.

none of that is guaranteed, was built so the team would be forced to renegotiate

Bucs_Rule
08-31-2010, 08:04 PM
I can't see any team giving up much since they know the Cardinals would only shop him if they are likely going to release him.

I can't see a team give up much for a guy that won't throw the ball more then 8 yards down the field. At least throw it 10 so you can pick up a first down on one pass.

There's a flaming vagina in your avi


Leinart reference!

Oh that was disappointing. I looked at his avatar and saw something from Hobbits dreams. It instead of something that I thought couldn't exist and after 3 seconds of thinking otherwise I am back to my original assessment.

J-Mike88
09-01-2010, 09:25 AM
How many incompletions did you expect him to have when he's checking it down and throwing swing passes to RB's constantly? You won't win a game that way, or generate any points, which is the one stat you consistently left off in your post. Instead of focusing on completions, look at how many 1st downs he's completed or how many scoring drives he's led.
That's where YAC come into play.
Look, I don't like Leinart at all, think he's a punk and was stupid to stay at USC for his senior year, and dumber yet for knocking up an ugly USC basketball player when he should have been banging Playmates and cheerleaders only.

However, he's been playing with dogcrap this preaseason, no Fitzgerard or Boldin of course. But he's been playing against 1st string defenses. His team has been overmatched and his receivers, backs, TEs etc aren't getting open and the ones who are haven't gotten any YAC for him.

The QB rating system is flawed, but his is a lot better than Anderson's is.
Neither guy has looked good because the bottom line is points, and wins.

Still, I think Leinart is getting hosed a little bit here. If Anderson had played well or lit it up, yeah, that's another story. But both guys have done little, partly because they aren't playing their best WR and lost their #2 in the off-season.

Remember, Kurt Warner was washed up in St Louis, and then NYG, but when he got to have Fitzgerald and Boldin, all of a sudden he became a Hall of Famer again. WR's make a difference.

619
09-01-2010, 10:42 AM
I want nothing to do with Matt Leinart. I can't believe the Raiders are actually involved in preliminary trade discussions for this guy, unless there is valid reason for concern with Campbell's injury. He's everything I don't want in a Raiders QB, and that includes intangibles.

Babylon
09-01-2010, 11:26 AM
Seattle??

Man, if he's a division rival... he's going to try his hardest to take it out on the cards. keyword: try

I could see him succeeding there with Carroll.



Doubt Carroll would go after him after acquiring Charlie Whitehurst and fans around here want a differant guy to be the savior here and he plays about 3 miles north of Qwest field.

As for Lineart his play in the preseason is probably a little too criticized seeing as he's been without Larry Fitzgerald, and Anquan Boldin for that matter.

yourfavestoner
09-01-2010, 11:38 AM
I'm sure Wisenhunt's decision stems far more from seeing Leinart practice every single day for the last three years than it does with three preseason games. Call me crazy.

LizardState
09-01-2010, 11:56 AM
According to Jay Glazer he is being shopped around, has play good enough to be worth a conditional 5th maybe bumps up to a 4th if he hits certain numbers

My guess is Washington

Probably deserved its own thread, but espn.com says he's trade bait. I know they tend to manufacture stories on that website, but this seems legit.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5518740

From top draft pick to prerelease, decline & fall! I realize the rules in Zona & for the Bidwill Family are different where they commit franchise suicide from time to time, like good players turned into Pro Bowlers who take them to the Big Show then told to hit the road when they want more $, but this is plain freaking dumb when you consider the alternative is Derek Anderson, & behind him 2 rookies.

Maybe 619 is right, if the Raiders are serious about trading for him that says a lot about the severity of Campbell's injury.

Babylon
09-01-2010, 02:14 PM
Al Davis is probably still thinking Kenny Stabler is going to walk through the front door so interest in Matt would probably make some sense. I'm just hoping Pete isnt interested up in Seattle. He didnt seem to want Reggie Bush so doubt he would want Lineart, but stupidity isnt uncommon in this town.

BeerBaron
09-01-2010, 02:15 PM
Rumors that he is going to the Giants:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/01/cardinals-locker-room-buzzes-about-possible-leinart-trade-to-giants/

RaiderNation
09-01-2010, 02:18 PM
Makes no sense for us to waste a draft pick and money on him. Gradkowski is a very good back up and should maybe even be a start in the league and Boller has looked decent as our 3rd string guy. If Campbell is out the first week or 2 Im fine with Gradkowski. In a way Im actually pulling for him to beat out Campbell

EDIT:
ESPN’s Adam Schefter is once again making untrue statements about The Oakland Raiders, this time regarding Matt Leinart. The Raiders have never discussed trading for Leinart.

The Raiders are very happy about their quarterback situation.

http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Schefter-Makes-Untrue-Statements-Regarding-Raiders/1b7d669a-7d7a-4e05-be4e-3719312a9320

J-Mike88
09-01-2010, 02:22 PM
Rumors that he is going to the Giants:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/01/cardinals-locker-room-buzzes-about-possible-leinart-trade-to-giants/
Wow, that would suck for Leinart.

Isn't Buffalo a natural fit?
We know first-hand that Brian Brohm ain't the future.

Who's Washington's QB of the future after McNabb breaks down?

BigBanger
09-01-2010, 02:48 PM
Makes no sense for us to waste a draft pick and money on him. Gradkowski is a very good back up and should maybe even be a start in the league and Boller has looked decent as our 3rd string guy. If Campbell is out the first week or 2 Im fine with Gradkowski. In a way Im actually pulling for him to beat out Campbell

EDIT:

http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Schefter-Makes-Untrue-Statements-Regarding-Raiders/1b7d669a-7d7a-4e05-be4e-3719312a9320
Leinart's arm is not strong enough to be a Raider.

He's like Brady Quinn, he just checks it down on every play. Pretty boring offense that has never worked and never will.

Splat
09-01-2010, 03:53 PM
Rumors that he is going to the Giants:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/01/cardinals-locker-room-buzzes-about-possible-leinart-trade-to-giants/

It makes sense they need a back up.

Babylon
09-01-2010, 04:26 PM
It makes sense they need a back up.

I'd rather Rhett Bomar.

Splat
09-01-2010, 04:51 PM
Anquan Boldin gives his two cents on the matter.

http://sportsradiointerviews.com/2010/09/01/can-anquan-boldin-help-take-the-baltimore-ravens-to-the-next-level/

On the quarterback situation in Arizona Ė specifically how Matt Leinart hasnít secured the starting job and if heís surprised by that:

ďHonestly no. Thatís just because Iíve been there and witnessed the relationship between both Matt and Coach Whisenhunt. So Iím actually not surprised. I donít really want to speak too much on that because itís not my problem. If it doesnít refer to anybody in black and purple, I really could care less.Ē

CC.SD
09-01-2010, 04:52 PM
Wow apparently the cards are still talking to kurt warner? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)

phlysac
09-01-2010, 04:52 PM
Gotta love sports media...

This is a headline that shows up on the very first page of Google News...

Could 49ers Be Interested in Matt Leinart?

He continued with this great snippet...
The Oakland Raiders have already reached out to the Cardinals, but the other Bay Area team makes more sense.


Included in the body of the article is this "somewhat" important revelation...
Of course there is absolutely no fact to back this up. It’s purely an observation that could make sense if the Cardinals are willing to deal within their division.


Gotta love the current state of sports journalism.

PoopSandwich
09-01-2010, 10:50 PM
Wow apparently the cards are still talking to kurt warner? (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oHg5SJYRHA0)
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS

Splat
09-03-2010, 07:35 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/03/cards-leinart-continue-their-game-of-chicken/

The Cardinals would like to get something, anything in return for 2006 first-round pick Matt Leinart (http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/player_main.aspx?sport=NFL&id=3138). And by all appearances the Cardinals don't want to cut him loose, since doing so would likely result in Leinart making a beeline for Pete Carroll and his Seahawks.

Cardinals expressly gave Leinart permission to seek his own trade and Leinart opting not to do so (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/03/matt-leinart-isnt-pursuing-a-trade/) because he thinks staying put is his best chance of starting in 2010.

soybean
09-03-2010, 09:24 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/03/cards-leinart-continue-their-game-of-chicken/

hmm interesting. two things, if he sucks so bad (which he probably does) why would they be scared of him going to a division rival?

Second, regardless if he starts or not, does anyone really see Derek Anderson being able to hold onto the starting job an entire season? Matt will play eventually, the question is... when?

Though he's been "whiney" this past week, he's still doing all the right things. He has shown maturity but... can he play football?

nepg
09-03-2010, 09:24 PM
I really do think Whisenhunt is holding Leinart back. He's does little things to impede his progress and undermine his ability to become the leader on the field. As a head coach, you put yourself behind your QB and stick up for him at every turn. Ken has refused to do this at any point in Leinart's career. He has the perfect opportunity to do it this year, and chose to create a QB controversy instead.

Obviously Whisenhunt completely missed the last 3 years of Cleveland Browns football... You can't be indecisive about your QB. The choice should be pretty clear-cut. On one side, you have a first round pick who hasn't played that great, but also hasn't been given a real chance. He's a guy that could still be someone you can win with. On the other side, you have a wandering veteran who has proved he can step up in a back-up role, but is really not a guy you can win with as your full-time starter.

Derek Anderson has proven he can make a case for himself in a QB competition, but he's just like Gus Frerrotte, Shaun Hill, and Kelley Holcomb (among many others). Good for a big game or two in a back-up spot, but is complete trash after more than a couple games because he's easy to gameplan for and doesn't do the little things that good starting QBs do.

J-Mike88
09-03-2010, 11:14 PM
i agree with you nepg.
i don't like leinart, and know he's nothing compared to warner.
yet i don't think he's been given even close to a fair shot this preseason.

he'll resurface somewhere where they will give him a fairer chance. but where?

LetsGoGiants!
09-04-2010, 01:12 PM
He is getting released says nfl.com

Brent
09-04-2010, 01:17 PM
Max Hall is now the #2? Gebus.

MetSox17
09-04-2010, 01:23 PM
Max Hall is now the #2?

Championship!

Jvig43
09-04-2010, 01:24 PM
Yup, NFL.com just reported it. Wow, didnt even try to get anything for him.

Brent
09-04-2010, 01:24 PM
and here, I thought people were schlobbing Skelton's knob.

Splat
09-04-2010, 01:25 PM
Seattle???

BeerBaron
09-04-2010, 01:25 PM
Just something I've been mulling over.....are the Cardinals a top 5 pick kind of team now? Derrick Anderson with 2 rookie backups isn't going to do much.....their o-line has never really been very good. And their defense lost 2 of it's 3 best players in the offseason.

Other than very recent history, is there much seperating the Cardinals from the likes of the Bills, Chiefs or Browns?

LonghornsLegend
09-04-2010, 01:29 PM
and here, I thought people were schlobbing Skelton's knob.


I think Max Hall is gonna be a nice surprise for them. Granted if they do end up picking top 5 or 10 they may not pass up on an elite QB. But if they start that bad, Hall is gonna start at least 6 games so they can see what they have but I expect him to be the full time starter in 2011.


He's looked really good in the pre-season and his College career was very decorated. Still gonna be a looong season for them. Anyone know why they didn't want to trade for McNabb though? With him they could make a deep playoff run.

nepg
09-04-2010, 01:30 PM
Their OL is terrible (has been since McGinnis left). With a ball holder like Anderson back there, this team could definitely be looking at a ceiling of 6 wins. Won't take much for them to be picking in the Top 5. Their defense is OK, but unspectacular most of the time.

MetSox17
09-04-2010, 01:30 PM
Yup, NFL.com just reported it. Wow, didnt even try to get anything for him.

They gave his agent the nod to look for a trade, but Leinart didn't wanna be moved. Besides, they wouldn't have gotten much in return for him.

Thecollegedropout
09-04-2010, 01:31 PM
Leinart would be wise to look into latching onto Jacksonville. No true pressure, facing a semi-old QB in Garrard and the team doesn't have much of a future QB. AFC South doesn't require a whole lot of arm strength either due to weather conditions.

Can see Indy signing him though as Painter has given Colt management 0 confidence. Matt would learn under Peyton, and get that 1 start in the end of the year when he may have some playbook down. Houston may want a flier on someone once the annual Schaub injury happens.

So pretty much I think an AFC South team gets him. JAX may be the best fit though.

Splat
09-04-2010, 01:32 PM
Their OL is terrible (has been since McGinnis left). With a ball holder like Anderson back there, this team could definitely be looking at a ceiling of 6 wins. Won't take much for them to be picking in the Top 5. Their defense is OK, but unspectacular most of the time.

If their running game doesn't step up big time they are toast.

Thecollegedropout
09-04-2010, 01:34 PM
Forgot to mention about Leinart's possibilities to try and 1-up Vince Young on a yearly basis by signing with JAX.....

And if JAX moves to LA....all the more better with a USC posterchild of the last decade.

yourfavestoner
09-04-2010, 01:52 PM
Leinart would be wise to look into latching onto Jacksonville. No true pressure, facing a semi-old QB in Garrard and the team doesn't have much of a future QB. AFC South doesn't require a whole lot of arm strength either due to weather conditions.

Can see Indy signing him though as Painter has given Colt management 0 confidence. Matt would learn under Peyton, and get that 1 start in the end of the year when he may have some playbook down. Houston may want a flier on someone once the annual Schaub injury happens.

So pretty much I think an AFC South team gets him. JAX may be the best fit though.

Words cannot even describe how ******* pissed I would be. I'd rather start Luke ******* McCown than Matt Leinart.

nepg
09-04-2010, 01:55 PM
I like Leinart in Jacksonville. Dirk Koetter should have some familiarity with Leinart, and I just think it's a good change of scenery. Going from a team with a QB head coach who has a vendetta against you to a team with a defensive head coach who is a fellow USC alum and carries a bit of the rah-rah attitude that Leinart was used to there.

It just makes sense.

Leinart would have a fair shake in a QB competition with Garrard and McCown.

CameronCropper
09-04-2010, 02:08 PM
Leinart should have kept his mouth shut.

M.O.T.H.
09-04-2010, 02:23 PM
One of the reasons I really liked Hall is that he is a carbon copy of my Lafayette Leopards former starting QB, Rob Curley. Get that man in the league! Kid is playing in Switzerland right now. lol.

Same height and weight as Max...same arm/accuracy.

3,100 yards, 69% completion percentage, 28 TDs. (School record 7 against Colgate) Arguably the top D1-AA QB last year.

But anyway...I do like Max Hall as a player as well. He's looked very good this preseason. Accurate as always, and in control of the huddle. They say they see a lot of Warner in him. I dont know about all that, but I think he's gonna be pretty good. I eagerly await his first start and as a lot of people have said, considering they have Derek Anderson starting...it shouldnt be too long a wait.

soybean
09-04-2010, 02:31 PM
The Cards should now make a push for Jake Locker. Jake Locker with that offense would be sickkkkkkkkk.

I have a feeling though that Whiz isn't too high on young qbs though. Hence, why he had such a bad relationship with Ben.

I wonder if Leinart will start an NFL game this year.

nepg
09-04-2010, 02:51 PM
Whisenhunt is like Gruden. People think he'll develop some young QB to be amazing, but the reality is that he's great with older QBs and sucks trying to deal with young ones.

It's almost crazy to think Leinart would get a start this year. It's so ridiculously hard to learn an offense without going through off-season and training camp with a team... Possible, though.

J-Mike88
09-04-2010, 02:56 PM
Yup, NFL.com just reported it. Wow, didnt even try to get anything for him.
How could they not get anything for the guy? Seriously.
Did they not try, why?

M.O.T.H.
09-04-2010, 03:01 PM
His contract blows. Wasnt he due like $13 million over the next two years?

PoopSandwich
09-04-2010, 03:04 PM
DEREK ******* ANDERSON

I <3 da

Mr.Regular
09-04-2010, 03:07 PM
Cincinnati needs to take a look. That team is loaded with talent, but Palmer is questionable and fragile, and the backups are beyond bad.

soybean
09-04-2010, 03:11 PM
Whisenhunt is like Gruden. People think he'll develop some young QB to be amazing, but the reality is that he's great with older QBs and sucks trying to deal with young ones.

It's almost crazy to think Leinart would get a start this year. It's so ridiculously hard to learn an offense without going through off-season and training camp with a team... Possible, though.

that's why people are really questioning whiz's integrity, saying that if he knew all along he didn't want Leinart why not just release him before the preseason so he could have a chance with another team rather than at the end of preseason.

Fact of the matter is, Leinart never had Whiz's support.

M.O.T.H.
09-04-2010, 03:14 PM
Start Hall and just let him drive the bus. Whis should just go to some smash mouth football. I wouldnt trust DA in that type offense, though...because his accuracy is so below average. I wouldnt trust him in any offense, really.

Splat
09-04-2010, 03:17 PM
Is their OL good enough to just pound the rock?

soybean
09-04-2010, 03:18 PM
Cincinnati needs to take a look. That team is loaded with talent, but Palmer is questionable and fragile, and the backups are beyond bad.

that'd be weird.

M.O.T.H.
09-04-2010, 03:24 PM
Is their OL good enough to just pound the rock?

Meh, I hate their o-line. Last year they ranked dead last in rushing, since they just ignored it most of the time. But Beanie and Hightower had some good yards per carry averages last year at least. They could run, they just didnt need to, or want to.

Whis used to be run heavy...but I'd imagine it'd be pretty damn tough to go back to that style after having a pass offense as good as the Cardinals had.

BeerBaron
09-04-2010, 03:26 PM
their o-line is set up way better for running than for passing, especially with guys like Brown and Faneca manning key spots.

Guy I feel worst for in all of this: Larry Fitzgerald

Splat
09-04-2010, 03:29 PM
Max Hall will be No. 2 quarterback in Arizona (http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=nfp-20100904_max_hall_will_be_no_2_quarterback_in_ariz ona)

holt_bruce81
09-04-2010, 03:32 PM
Congrats to Max, he's really impressed.

Jvig43
09-04-2010, 03:35 PM
Clearly Whiz didnt give a crap about this kids future, I havent seen anything but highlights from this pre season but did he play that bad that DA looked so much better. Idk I feel like someone would have given something up for him, maybe a real low draft pick....idk. Anyone think hes going to Seattle?

nepg
09-04-2010, 03:39 PM
No. Leinart looked better, imo. Whisenhunt had an agenda this off-season, and it was to alienate Leinart to make his case to get rid of him. He didn't care that getting rid of Leinart meant that Derek Anderson would be his starter. Good luck with that, Arizona.

Hall & Skelton were better, at times, than Anderson & Leinart against scrubs.

Mr.Regular
09-04-2010, 03:42 PM
PS they could've had Jimmy Clausen. What a mistake passing up on him, Clausens going to be a stud. Have no idea how a team like Arizona or Minnesota justified passing on him.

Jvig43
09-04-2010, 03:46 PM
PS they could've had Jimmy Clausen. What a mistake passing up on him, Clausens going to be a stud. Have no idea how a team like Arizona or Minnesota justified passing on him.

Minne just traded Sage too, so idk whats going on there. Do they really want Tjack coming in when Farves ankle blows up on him this season?

Ness
09-04-2010, 05:24 PM
From Kurt Warner to Derek Anderson.

http://i94.photobucket.com/albums/l95/Kaijed/Fail.gif

nepg
09-04-2010, 05:30 PM
PS they could've had Jimmy Clausen. What a mistake passing up on him, Clausens going to be a stud. Have no idea how a team like Arizona or Minnesota justified passing on him.

I don't have a problem with that. Teams felt the same way about Clausen that they felt about Brohm. I don't think we've seen anything from Jimmy to really say they were wrong to pass on him.

I still think Minnesota was wrong to never give JD Booty a fair shake. I don't think Clausen was a good fit for them, especially with them having real hole to fill. They seem to like Joe Webb, and there hasn't been reason to dispute them for that.

Mr.Regular
09-04-2010, 05:31 PM
Minne just traded Sage too, so idk whats going on there. Do they really want Tjack coming in when Farves ankle blows up on him this season?
Jackson is Brad Childress' boy. And Brad Childress is a dumbass. I hope he never gets fired.

yo123
09-04-2010, 05:35 PM
I don't have a problem with that. Teams felt the same way about Clausen that they felt about Brohm. I don't think we've seen anything from Jimmy to really say they were wrong to pass on him.

I still think Minnesota was wrong to never give JD Booty a fair shake. I don't think Clausen was a good fit for them, especially with them having real hole to fill. They seem to like Joe Webb, and there hasn't been reason to dispute them for that.


JD Booty was absolutely terrible.

nepg
09-04-2010, 05:41 PM
I disagree. I think JD Booty would have worked really well for Minnesota. Still think they should have drafted Erik Ainge. He'd have been the boss in that offense. The thing with Minnesota is that they just need a QB who won't turn the ball over, and I think Booty and Ainge fit that mold very well. If they have a QB who protects the ball (as Favre did last year), they're probably the best team in the NFL.

Brent
09-04-2010, 05:59 PM
From Kurt Warner to Derek Anderson.
Ness, your choice of gif should be applause. If the Cards had competent QB play, they might be dangerous in the West. Now, it should be rather easy.

umphrey
09-04-2010, 06:04 PM
Hahaha a 5ish year vet former top 10 pick gets beat out by Derek Anderson and a UDFA. I knew Leinart was bad and didn't have a future but I'm shocked the Cards had the balls to out and cut him the same year their HOF QB retired and 99% of football fans marked him the starter (back when Warner retired). I thought he was on the Brady Quinn career plan but maybe it's the Jamarcus Russell career plan. Thirsty for some syzurp Matt?

Fantasy football, I'm actually moving Fitzgerald up my board and off the undraftable list. Derek Anderson will at least throw some catchable balls down field, even if his accuracy mostly sucks. Leinart would have checked down, throw a 4 yard pass, get sacked, or once in a while take a shot deep because the coach told him he had to, and miss his receiver by 5 yards.

nepg
09-04-2010, 06:04 PM
Ness, your choice of gif should be applause. If the Cards had competent QB play, they might be dangerous in the West. Now, it should be rather easy.

LOL, yes... Going from Warner to Anderson is like going from Picard to Sisko. Sad truths.

M.O.T.H.
09-04-2010, 06:06 PM
I wouldnt say he was beat out by Anderson. Whis just doesnt like Leinart. Boldin said as much as well...they have a bad relationship. I didnt see Anderson do anything to win the job.

It's not like Leinart is good regardless...but, it doesnt help his case when the head coach hates you.

Saints-Tigers
09-04-2010, 06:30 PM
I wouldnt say he was beat out by Anderson. Whis just doesnt like Leinart. Boldin said as much as well...they have a bad relationship. I didnt see Anderson do anything to win the job.

It's not like Leinart is good regardless...but, it doesnt help his case when the head coach hates you.


Yea, he really didn't play bad enough to get cut like that, but he really had no shot at winning the job, he would have had to be Peyton Manning for Whisenhunt not to can him.

Paranoidmoonduck
09-04-2010, 06:37 PM
Yeah, it would have been pretty brutal for Whisenhunt to keep him on that roster when everyone knew Leinart wasn't going to be Arizona's QB.

LookItsAlDavis
09-04-2010, 07:28 PM
Where does he end up now? Minnesota, Seattle, maybe Chicago?

BeerBaron
09-04-2010, 07:30 PM
Where does he end up now? Minnesota, Seattle, maybe Chicago?

It won't be Chicago....he wouldn't be of any worth as a backup without experience in Martz' offense.

Splat
09-04-2010, 07:48 PM
So the Chiefs just cut their 3rd string QB and only have two QB's on the roster, but the plan has been to keep 3?

I can't handle having two Captain Check downs on the same roster.

nepg
09-04-2010, 07:48 PM
Jax or Buff

Sportsfan486
09-04-2010, 07:52 PM
Where does he end up now? Minnesota, Seattle, maybe Chicago?

Minnesota? He's better than T-Jax. So no. HAHAHAHAHAH, it's funny because it's true.

Chicago is a really bad system fit for him. He lacks a downfield arm and isn't uh.. smart or a "playbook sort of guy."

Buffalo seems the most likely.

Brent
09-04-2010, 07:56 PM
would Jacksonville want him over mccown?

Ness
09-04-2010, 09:43 PM
Buffalo or Jacksonville might be good spots for a fresh start. Leinart needs to change his attitude about his football career though if he wants to be successful. At least from what I've heard.

Go_Eagles77
09-04-2010, 10:28 PM
Buffalo would be great. Get him as far away from LA as possible.

soybean
09-04-2010, 10:31 PM
Yeah, I don't think 5 series in preseason is enough to justify canning your vet qb.

But oh well, it's the best thing for both parties to part ways.

MidwayMonster31
09-04-2010, 11:06 PM
From Bill Simmons (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100902):
32. Matt Leinart/Derek Anderson, Cardinals
Living proof that the quarterback position matters: The drop-off from Kurt Warner to Leinart/Anderson will single-handedly doom this Cardinals season. One position out of 22 Ö and they're hopeless. Will we ever figure out why Leinart didn't make it? I keep going back to that "Punk'd" episode in 2006 when they pretended to arrest Leinart and his buddy for soliciting a prostitute, then a panicked Leinart convinced his buddy to take the rap for him before a giggling Ashton Kutcher jumped out of a van. That's a leader? Would Brees or Brady have ever done that? We should have written him off then and there.
If Wisenhunt didn't believe he would be a franchise quarterback, then there is no reason to have him there.

BlindSite
09-04-2010, 11:12 PM
From Bill Simmons (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/100902):

If Wisenhunt didn't believe he would be a franchise quarterback, then there is no reason to have him there.

Wisenhunt didn't like him because he's not a fired up leader, he's played well enough to earn more than being released, IMO he could start for a few teams.

RealityCheck
09-04-2010, 11:14 PM
In case Brady gets injured, we could use him instead of Hoyer... right?

By the way, watch for the start of the Age of Skelton.

soybean
09-04-2010, 11:27 PM
Wisenhunt didn't like him because he's not a fired up leader, he's played well enough to earn more than being released, IMO he could start for a few teams.

Kurt Warner wasn't necessarily Tony Robbins.

And I doubt Derek Anderson really gives you that either.

M.O.T.H.
09-05-2010, 06:54 AM
In case Brady gets injured, we could use him instead of Hoyer... right?

By the way, watch for the start of the Age of Skelton.

I think you mean Max Hall. :)

He is ahead of him on the depth chart and the coaches rave about the guy. Too bad you couldn't combine the two. One is a frail midget with excellent accuracy and the other is a giant with a laser rocket arm.

BlindSite
09-05-2010, 07:07 PM
Kurt Warner wasn't necessarily Tony Robbins.

And I doubt Derek Anderson really gives you that either.

Coaches can be insanely petty because of a players attitude or perceived attitude.

Matt Moore generally acts like he doesn't give a **** until it comes gameday and that's the only reason why Fox didn't start him sooner in Carolina, and I'm 100% serious it wasn't what he saw on the practice field, in the film room, or anything, it was his laid back attitude.

He completed just under 80% of his passes this offseason and he's never truly been handed the reins and had it said, it's your team, get some. He's always been pulled and given bits and pieces here and there and that's not how you develop a QB.

fenikz
09-05-2010, 07:29 PM
Yeah, I don't think 5 series in preseason is enough to justify canning your vet qb.

But oh well, it's the best thing for both parties to part ways.

he had 4 seasons(3 under Whis) Never showed anything that made Whis believe he was the right QB for the team

619
09-05-2010, 07:38 PM
Yeah, I don't think 5 series in preseason is enough to justify canning your vet qb.

But oh well, it's the best thing for both parties to part ways.

K, let's not each be homers here. It was clear even from 5 series that he was vouching to take way Trent Edwards' title as Captain Checkdown. And let's not ignore the fact that he's a douchebag. Sure, I did like the guy at one time, but it's clear that he's a douchebag, and you don't have to know the guy personally to recognize and understand that.

Fat_Actor
09-05-2010, 07:41 PM
Tampa Bay would be great. Lot of people have been bitching for them to grab a vet. Matt would be a good sign for them.

EvilNixon
09-05-2010, 08:35 PM
I think he's better than Jason Campbell. Would definitely like a Capt.Checkdown here.

soybean
09-05-2010, 08:35 PM
he had 4 seasons(3 under Whis) Never showed anything that made Whis believe he was the right QB for the team

K, let's not each be homers here. It was clear even from 5 series that he was vouching to take way Trent Edwards' title as Captain Checkdown. And let's not ignore the fact that he's a douchebag. Sure, I did like the guy at one time, but it's clear that he's a douchebag, and you don't have to know the guy personally to recognize and understand that.

Might be true, but Derek Anderson didn't really wow anyone either. I think regardless, The cards wont be making the playoffs and Whis wants to win now, when that's honestly not a possibility without a trade (or warner coming back)...

RealityCheck
09-05-2010, 08:42 PM
I think you mean Max Hall. :)

He is ahead of him on the depth chart and the coaches rave about the guy. Too bad you couldn't combine the two. One is a frail midget with excellent accuracy and the other is a giant with a laser rocket arm.
Whatever, Skelton will be starting by Week 8 and will still have 6,500 yards and 58 TDs. X(

PoopSandwich
09-05-2010, 10:20 PM
Whatever, Skelton will be starting by Week 8 and will still have 6,500 yards and 58 TDs. X(

only because they will be 7-0 after derek anderson throws for over 9,000 yards and 174 touchdowns and they want to rest him for a guaranteed playoff spot because they so ruthless manhandled the rest of the nfl that teams just bow down to lord anderson

SeanTaylorRIP
09-05-2010, 10:52 PM
Wouldn't it be amazing if the Titans signed him, lol.

soybean
09-05-2010, 10:59 PM
Like I said earlier but cant find,

Jake Locker would be amazing in this offense.

Thecollegedropout
09-06-2010, 08:41 AM
Leinart would be wise to look into latching onto Jacksonville. No true pressure, facing a semi-old QB in Garrard and the team doesn't have much of a future QB. AFC South doesn't require a whole lot of arm strength either due to weather conditions.

Can see Indy signing him though as Painter has given Colt management 0 confidence. Matt would learn under Peyton, and get that 1 start in the end of the year when he may have some playbook down. Houston may want a flier on someone once the annual Schaub injury happens.

So pretty much I think an AFC South team gets him. JAX may be the best fit though.
Decent signing by Houston and he could hide his weaknesses somewhat in reliant stadium.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5538812

Splat
09-06-2010, 08:42 AM
Matt Leinart agrees to deal with Houston Texans (http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/06/matt-leinart-agrees-to-deal-with-houston-texans/)

Bucs_Rule
09-06-2010, 10:50 AM
The Texans backup spot is the best in the NFL. An outstanding passing game with the league's best wide receiver. Schaub is extremely injury prone, he'll get lots of chances to play.

I heard rumors of Buffalo, which is a terrible spot for anyone, impossible if you have a very weak arm.

LonghornsLegend
09-06-2010, 10:52 AM
The Texans backup spot is the best in the NFL. An outstanding passing game with the league's best wide receiver. Schaub is extremely injury prone, he'll get lots of chances to play.

I heard rumors of Buffalo, which is a terrible spot for anyone, impossible if you have a very weak arm.


How ironic, the exact same situation he was drafted into and failed miserably even though he had 3-4 years to learn the ropes behind a HOF QB.

LonghornsLegend
09-06-2010, 10:59 AM
Yeah, I don't think 5 series in preseason is enough to justify canning your vet qb.

But oh well, it's the best thing for both parties to part ways.

Come on now. Everyone keeps saying this like this is all they have seen of Leinart. It's all WE have seen of him recently, he has been on the Cardinals since 2006, you don't think Whis has seen plenty of him since he took over HC? Practice counts alot more then people want to admit here, but let's not act like those 5 series are why he was benched because it's not even close. He saw plenty of him in the off-season, and in season practice that we couldn't see, and that's not even taking into account his leadership, body language, and how the team reacts to him that we again can't really see.


Coaches aren't trying to get fired for fun, if he saw Max Hall looking better as a rookie and more poised then Leinart has as a 4 year vet then there is a problem. I'm not buying "oh he just didn't like him just because", coaches don't mind inheriting a QB if he can play. You think if Kubiak gets fired they are looking for a new QB?


People need to stop making so many excuses for a QB who had every opportunity in the world to suceed, it's getting old.

soybean
09-06-2010, 12:14 PM
Come on now. Everyone keeps saying this like this is all they have seen of Leinart. It's all WE have seen of him recently, he has been on the Cardinals since 2006, you don't think Whis has seen plenty of him since he took over HC? Practice counts alot more then people want to admit here, but let's not act like those 5 series are why he was benched because it's not even close. He saw plenty of him in the off-season, and in season practice that we couldn't see, and that's not even taking into account his leadership, body language, and how the team reacts to him that we again can't really see.


Coaches aren't trying to get fired for fun, if he saw Max Hall looking better as a rookie and more poised then Leinart has as a 4 year vet then there is a problem. I'm not buying "oh he just didn't like him just because", coaches don't mind inheriting a QB if he can play. You think if Kubiak gets fired they are looking for a new QB?


People need to stop making so many excuses for a QB who had every opportunity in the world to suceed, it's getting old.

true. but he essentially lost the job in 8 days. Going into preseason whis said Leinart was "clearly" the favorite.

comahan
09-06-2010, 02:23 PM
The Texans backup spot is the best in the NFL. An outstanding passing game with the league's best wide receiver. Schaub is extremely injury prone, he'll get lots of chances to play.

I heard rumors of Buffalo, which is a terrible spot for anyone, impossible if you have a very weak arm.

Hes not extremely injury prone. None of his past injuries are flukey at all, which 'injury prone' players often fall victim to. Every single one of them has come on a late hit by a DL that the DL was later fined for.

datchapin
09-06-2010, 04:16 PM
I'm not happy with this pick-up. Really I would have felt better with Troy Smith. I watched Leinart the first pre-season game. The way he played was honestly inept. I mean, it was cool seeing him sacked twice, but I remember feeling bad for the Cards if he was the starter going into the season. For a guy that had 4 yrs. to learn a system he looked horrendous. I have no idea why we would give this dude a chance. It's like we pick up horrible QB's on purpose or something. Grossman, Dan Orlavsky, and now Leinart.

Shiver
09-06-2010, 04:18 PM
Annual Schaub injury? Did you people have a coma last year?

soybean
09-06-2010, 05:51 PM
I'm not happy with this pick-up. Really I would have felt better with Troy Smith. I watched Leinart the first pre-season game. The way he played was honestly inept. I mean, it was cool seeing him sacked twice, but I remember feeling bad for the Cards if he was the starter going into the season. For a guy that had 4 yrs. to learn a system he looked horrendous. I have no idea why we would give this dude a chance. It's like we pick up horrible QB's on purpose or something. Grossman, Dan Orlavsky, and now Leinart.

well it's only a 1 year deal, that's hardly a huge commitment.

It's more like a test run.

Thecollegedropout
09-06-2010, 06:04 PM
Annual Schaub injury? Did you people have a coma last year?
Rex Grossman saw some snaps last season so I apparently I was just fine.

Breaker
09-06-2010, 09:39 PM
Rex Grossman saw some snaps last season so I apparently I was just fine.

http://i32.tinypic.com/35jbarb.jpg

Nikolas
09-07-2010, 12:56 AM
I'm sure his salary had something to do with it. Leinart isn't a horrible backup, but he was certainly an overpaid one.

He's definitely better than Dan Orlovsky, so I'm fine with him backing up Schaub.

soybean
10-07-2010, 03:49 AM
Hmmm.... I never bought into all those conspiracy theories that stated Whisenhunt was out to get him and didn't like him but I'm starting to buy into it more and more now.

Seeing how Whisenhunt soured his relationship with Big Ben, Boldin, Edge, Leinart and now Beanie Wells, I really think he's playing a game of favorites with his players and it looks to be costing the team.

Driving home at like 12am I was listening to an LA sports radio show called JT and Vic the Brick and they were talking about Coaches who believe in their coaching ability more than the players (ie. Belicheck vs. Moss) saying how Whisenhunt believes he was directly responsible for their recent success and thinks he could have plug and played any players into his system and got similar results.

I hope this doesn't end up kicking themselves in the ass.

Considering how GOD AWFUL Derek Anderson has been can we really believe Whisenhunt saw enough good about him to be like "that is our guy for the season"

fenikz
10-07-2010, 07:20 AM
ya LA sports radio is where I go for unbiased opinions about Arizona sports

Let's face it Whis has been able over and over to plug guys into spots of guys he let go, Campbell for Smith, Breaston for Bryant, Doucet for Boldin. Warner is an entirely different situation though, he retired abruptly giving Whis 1 offseason to find his QB of the future which is simply impossible.

yourfavestoner
10-07-2010, 10:19 AM
ya LA sports radio is where I go for unbiased opinions about Arizona sports

Let's face it Whis has been able over and over to plug guys into spots of guys he let go, Campbell for Smith, Breaston for Bryant, Doucet for Boldin. Warner is an entirely different situation though, he retired abruptly giving Whis 1 offseason to find his QB of the future which is simply impossible.

I don't think a bad thing has ever been said EVER regarding USC or one of their players on LA sports radio. You should have heard their coverage during the Bush scandal, it was a joke.

J-Mike88
10-07-2010, 01:11 PM
Interesting point.
I was just thinking about that when I saw how terrible Fitzgerald's stats are going to be.... Derek Anderson. Now who?

I thought Leinart looked better than that when he was starting as a rookie.

What happened? The coaching has to have something to do with it.

CC.SD
10-07-2010, 01:32 PM
ya LA sports radio is where I go for unbiased opinions about Arizona sports

Let's face it Whis has been able over and over to plug guys into spots of guys he let go, Campbell for Smith, Breaston for Bryant, Doucet for Boldin. Warner is an entirely different situation though, he retired abruptly giving Whis 1 offseason to find his QB of the future which is simply impossible.

dude Warner was 39

Complex
10-07-2010, 01:43 PM
dude Warner was 39

Yeah, he was also thinking of retiring after the Boldin hit and before that.

locseti
10-07-2010, 03:14 PM
Driving home at like 12am I was listening to an LA sports radio show called JT and Vic the Brick


the show is a nationally syndicated fox sports radio show, its called the JT the brick show with Looney, JT is in las vegas, JT is the biggest Raiders homer ever, but biased against Arizona teams, I dont think so...I think his assessment of the Arizona situation is fair.

D-Unit
10-08-2010, 03:31 PM
Hmmm.... I never bought into all those conspiracy theories that stated Whisenhunt was out to get him and didn't like him but I'm starting to buy into it more and more now.

Seeing how Whisenhunt soured his relationship with Big Ben, Boldin, Edge, Leinart and now Beanie Wells, I really think he's playing a game of favorites with his players and it looks to be costing the team.

Driving home at like 12am I was listening to an LA sports radio show called JT and Vic the Brick and they were talking about Coaches who believe in their coaching ability more than the players (ie. Belicheck vs. Moss) saying how Whisenhunt believes he was directly responsible for their recent success and thinks he could have plug and played any players into his system and got similar results.

I hope this doesn't end up kicking themselves in the ass.

Considering how GOD AWFUL Derek Anderson has been can we really believe Whisenhunt saw enough good about him to be like "that is our guy for the season"
Interesting background about Wisenhunt that I never really noticed before.

I guess when you're a new coach and you take a perennial loser like Arizona to the SB, then your head gets pretty big.

He's come down crashing though, and the reason seems pointed to his personal relationship with the players. It's my way or the highway. It works for some coaches (Parcells/Belichick) though.

yourfavestoner
10-08-2010, 03:41 PM
Tough predicament to be in as a coach. They were already in reloading mode and had a lot of defections this offseason. Do you marry yourself to potential mediocrity in Leinart and stay amongst the middle of the pack for a few years while the team replenishes some of its talent? Or ultimately blow the season up and go draft your QBOTF, which is essentially what they're doing?

D-Unit
10-08-2010, 04:14 PM
Tough predicament to be in as a coach. They were already in reloading mode and had a lot of defections this offseason. Do you marry yourself to potential mediocrity in Leinart and stay amongst the middle of the pack for a few years while the team replenishes some of its talent? Or ultimately blow the season up and go draft your QBOTF, which is essentially what they're doing?
Good point. When he was in Pittsburgh, he must have learned something valuable about tanking a season to get your QB. I don't know if he realizes this QB class isn't stocked with guys like Eli Manning, Phillip Rivers and Big Ben though.

Paranoidmoonduck
10-08-2010, 04:24 PM
If Whisenhunt was ever going to get the slack to blow that team up, it was going to be coming off the success he's had.

soybean
10-08-2010, 04:51 PM
Word on the street is that Whisenhunt really likes Max Hall.

I don't know if that's true or just an unsubstantiated rumor though.

FUNBUNCHER
10-09-2010, 09:20 AM
Hmmm.... I never bought into all those conspiracy theories that stated Whisenhunt was out to get him and didn't like him but I'm starting to buy into it more and more now.

Seeing how Whisenhunt soured his relationship with Big Ben, Boldin, Edge, Leinart and now Beanie Wells, I really think he's playing a game of favorites with his players and it looks to be costing the team.

Driving home at like 12am I was listening to an LA sports radio show called JT and Vic the Brick and they were talking about Coaches who believe in their coaching ability more than the players (ie. Belicheck vs. Moss) saying how Whisenhunt believes he was directly responsible for their recent success and thinks he could have plug and played any players into his system and got similar results.

I hope this doesn't end up kicking themselves in the ass.

Considering how GOD AWFUL Derek Anderson has been can we really believe Whisenhunt saw enough good about him to be like "that is our guy for the season"


Agreed.

For Whisenhunt to bring in DEREK ANDERSON as if he were the 'answer' at QB, well, I for one question the man's player evaluation skills, especially at QB.

Basically he lucked up into Kurt Warner, and has been down on Leinart forever.

Leinart was given a fraction of the amount of games to prove himself that most top picks are given, and I still don't believe USC made Leinart 'look' good.
IMO Leinart was a beast in college who made several mediocre WRs look like major pro prospects.

Granted his arm is pedestrian, but it's still adequate by NFL standards.

I think Whisenhunt didn't like Leinart from the moment he was hired to be the Cards HC, and now after reclamation project Anderson pooped himself, he's starting a rookie.

nepg
10-10-2010, 09:10 AM
He's come down crashing though, and the reason seems pointed to his personal relationship with the players. It's my way or the highway. It works for some coaches (Parcells/Belichick) though.

It works for Parcells and Belichick because they build the culture of the team around their ways. It's what KC has been doing the last 2 years. Whisenhunt never built that team up to be about his deal. He just went in there and expected all of the players to automatically be on board with his style. It's not so bad when you're winning, but when you start losing just a little bit it will all come crashing down.

Rosebud
10-10-2010, 10:06 AM
Agreed.

For Whisenhunt to bring in DEREK ANDERSON as if he were the 'answer' at QB, well, I for one question the man's player evaluation skills, especially at QB.

Basically he lucked up into Kurt Warner, and has been down on Leinart forever.

Leinart was given a fraction of the amount of games to prove himself that most top picks are given, and I still don't believe USC made Leinart 'look' good.
IMO Leinart was a beast in college who made several mediocre WRs look like major pro prospects.

Granted his arm is pedestrian, but it's still adequate by NFL standards.

I think Whisenhunt didn't like Leinart from the moment he was hired to be the Cards HC, and now after reclamation project Anderson pooped himself, he's starting a rookie.

Just because it's an opinion doesn't mean it can't be wrong, and in this case your opinion is wrong, Dwayne Jarrett and BMW dominated in college because no one could match them physically. So Leinart just had to lob it up to them and they'd come down with it. That's not an opinion, that's what that USC team did. Steve Smith was the only WR there who didn't rely on his freakish athletic gifts.