John Clayton: Micheal Turner to be traded tommorow

[Shockey80]

He said that an undisclosed team has offered a 2008 first round draft pick in exchange for Micheal Turner. He said the Chargers are definitly going to trade Turner, and are shopping around for a better deal, but if none is found, this is going to happen.


Just said this on ESPN a couple minutes ago

[bigbluedefense]

Wow, giving up a 1st for a guy who will be a FA next year is dumb. Someone sounds real desperate.

[JF4]

I really hope it's not the Packers. I just think a first rounder is a little too much for a guy who hasn't proved he can carry the load in the NFL yet and is going to be a FA. Personally i'd rather draft a guy like Marshawn Lynch than trade that pick for Turner.

[ricky bobby]

Wow, giving up a 1st for a guy who will be a FA next year is dumb. Someone sounds real desperate.
QFT

Hopefully it's not us...

[Moses]

I would be very surprised if this turned out to be true.

[bigbluedefense]

QFT

Hopefully it's not us...

Theres NOOOO WAAAAY it could be us. If it is, you'll hear about me on the news, because I'll most likely jump off a bridge.

But seriously, theres like a .00000001% chance its us.

[T-RICH49]

I would not be shocked if it's Buffalo

[bsaza2358]

Is Turner really worth a 2008 first rounder? I guess someone thinks so. I assume it's Green Bay, Buffalo, or Tennessee doing the honors here. They all have RB needs, and Turner could fit those needs. I'm really surprised about the price, though. My gut says it's the Bills.

[M.O.T.H.]

Damn, another draft with two Chargers 1st rounders.

Clayton said, the Chargers have already agreed to accept the deal if they cannot find anything better.

I bet it's the Titans....Lendale is a whale.

[Shockey80]

Wow, giving up a 1st for a guy who will be a FA next year is dumb. Someone sounds real desperate.

He said the thinking is that the team can franchise him, so they are garuanteed at least 2 years

[BigDawg819]

According to the speculation recently on NFL Live from Floyd Reese its likely between the Titans and the Bills. I still say its a risk when there are some nice prospects in this draft not to mention Corey Dillon or a Chris Brown on the free agent market but this seems to be destined to happen so be it.

[bsaza2358]

I think part of the rationale for trading for Turner now is exclusive negotiating rights. When a player can play the market, he can drive his value up. If one of these teams wants to guarantee the right to negotiate, they will make this trade. I'm guessing there will be some sort of protection for if Turner doesn't sign an extension. Still, Turner on the open market is bad for the Chargers (minimal compensation) and bad for the team that wants him now (will probably have to overpay).

[bigbluedefense]

If its the Bills, they made a mistake. Because they have a legit shot at getting AD. They should at least wait until draft day to try some sort of trade. I hate trading away picks when you dont even know whats on the board when its your turn to draft.

[bsaza2358]

I just have a feeling it's the Bills. Could be the Titans or the Packers, though. I really can't see another team making that deal. Maybe the Texans, but that would be absolutely ridiculous, especially given Kubiak's reliance on the Shanahan RB valuation model.

[fenikz]

J-e-t-s Jets Jets Jets

[bigbluedefense]

J-e-t-s Jets Jets Jets

D-U-M-B Dumb Dumb Dumb

[bsaza2358]

The Jets just traded for Thomas Jones...

[BigDawg819]

The Jets just traded for Thomas Jones...

As well as Leon Washington who had a solid and productive rookie campaign.

[bearsfan_51]

I think most, if not all of you, are forgetting that future picks are pushed back a round for each year they are prorated. Therefore, a 2008 1st rounder has the value of a mid-2nd in 2007. This isn't a a bad deal assuming that they can sign him to a new deal.

[bills_red]

Marv Please no

[High Roller]

My best guess would be the Bills.

[Number 10]

I'm going on the record....it's the Bills.

[Windy]

no one is trading for him unless they have a long term deal done. so, he won't be a fa next year.

[Scotty D]

I think most, if not all of you, are forgetting that future picks are pushed back a round for each year they are prorated. Therefore, a 2008 1st rounder has the value of a mid-2nd in 2007. This isn't a a bad deal assuming that they can sign him to a new deal.

Its a good deal now. Next year its going to be a horrible one.

[gonzo1105]

Idk why everyone thinks its the Bills. The bills have a great shot for Marshawn Lynch with a possibility of Adrian Peterson. If I had to guess a team that is going to give up a 2008 first round pick it would be the Titans. Assuming Lynch goes to the Packers at 16 there isn't much left especially if they dont like the 2nd and 3rd round guys ....Lendale White is fat and they have no one. At least the Bills have competent Anthony Thomas right now. If I had to guess the team it would be the Titans who feel they are on the verge of the playoffs and could afford to give up this pick. But everyone is gonna say Buffalo cause Marv is old and supposedly doesn't know what he's doing.

[bsaza2358]

Its a good deal now. Next year its going to be a horrible one.

Scotty, your logic is flawed. It can't be both a good deal now and a horrid one next year. It's either good or bad. There's no in between. I think it's an overpay, but if Turner pans out and signs a decent, but not backbreaking deal, it will be nice for the team that trades for him. The Chargers make out great either way.

[Scotty D]

Scotty, your logic is flawed. It can't be both a good deal now and a horrid one next year. It's either good or bad. There's no in between. I think it's an overpay, but if Turner pans out and signs a decent, but not backbreaking deal, it will be nice for the team that trades for him. The Chargers make out great either way.

I know. Thats what I was trying to tell him. Didn't come out exactly how I wanted it.

[bsaza2358]

Fair enough. Seems like you think it's a bad deal for whatever team made the offer.

[myinnerself]

Wow, giving up a 1st for a guy who will be a FA next year is dumb. Someone sounds real desperate.

Honestly, you should understand that it would be a sign and trade deal, as in whoever would be trading for Turner already has a contract negotiated. You have to realize that, it's obvious and no team is dumb enough to do otherwise.

[Scotty D]

Fair enough. Seems like you think it's a bad deal for whatever team made the offer.

I do. With the parity in the NFL its never certain how well a team will do the next season. Washington made the playoffs last year and now they are picking 6th. I would be extremely leary of trading away future 1st rounders.

[bsaza2358]

If you think Turner will put your team into the playoffs, you make the deal and hope for the best. If not, I agree that it is not a smart move to make.

[myinnerself]

I think most, if not all of you, are forgetting that future picks are pushed back a round for each year they are prorated. Therefore, a 2008 1st rounder has the value of a mid-2nd in 2007. This isn't a a bad deal assuming that they can sign him to a new deal.

This logic doesn't make sense to me. A #1 next year is sweet, maybe it is worth less to a weaker team, but the Chargers don't necessarily need a pick this year because we are loaded already. When next year comes around and we have two first rounders no one will say "this is actually worth only a second round choice." Also, I'm 90% sure it's the Titans, and I'm 99% sure that it would be a sign and trade, because he already met with both the Bills and Titans, and the Titans GM has gone on record as saying he already has a deal worked out with Turner, it's now up to the Chargers and Titans to meet on a deal. Finally, Michael Turner is the real deal, I guarantee he will be a great back in this league, after seeing every single snap of his over his whole career I don't ever remember him losing yardage, the guy is a work horse and a beast.

[Stash]

This logic doesn't make sense to me. A #1 next year is sweet, maybe it is worth less to a weaker team, but the Chargers don't necessarily need a pick this year because we are loaded already. When next year comes around and we have two first rounders no one will say "this is actually worth only a second round choice." Also, I'm 90% sure it's the Titans, and I'm 99% sure that it would be a sign and trade, because he already met with both the Bills and Titans, and the Titans GM has gone on record as saying he already has a deal worked out with Turner, it's now up to the Chargers and Titans to meet on a deal. Finally, Michael Turner is the real deal, I guarantee he will be a great back in this league, after seeing every single snap of his over his whole career I don't ever remember him losing yardage, the guy is a work horse and a beast.


The reason the future 1st rounder is only worth a 2nd this year is because the Chargers would be giving up Turner for nothing this season, they have to wait until next years draft for compensation.

[bsaza2358]

The 2008 1st rounder is probably the best case scenario for the Chargers. There is no way they could keep Turner off the FA market, and the franchise tag would be idiotic. They're going to get max value for him now and will reap the rewards in the future.

[bsaza2358]

The reason a future first rounder is worth less in present day is the uncertainty of future events and future draft slots. 2008 could have a terrible draft with no elite prospects, etc. The team that gets Turner could also win the Super Bowl, making it a #32 overall pick. It's a gamble and uncertain. The fact that the team will not receive an actual return on its investment for another year also depresses the value of future picks. It's like the time value of money. $1 today is worth more than a dollar next year because you have it now and know its actual value.

[bigbluedefense]

Honestly, you should understand that it would be a sign and trade deal, as in whoever would be trading for Turner already has a contract negotiated. You have to realize that, it's obvious and no team is dumb enough to do otherwise.

Of course. But I still think its not wise because if you really wanted him, you can get him next year without giving up a pick for him.

[Eagles own the NFC East]

I think the Titans, but maybe the bills will make a better offer if AD doesn't fall to them. I hope its the Titans, He would be great with LenDale and could take some pressure off of Vince who lost his best RB and WR this off season.

[bored of education]

Vince is going to have a tough year. He needs Turner and Meachem or Ginn to alleviate the pressure that will be brought upon him.

[PACKmanN]

i bet you its all talk and nothing is really going to happen.

[bsaza2358]

I don't think John Clayton is one to BS people this late in the process. He has a bunch of very reliable sources. It's rare that he's wrong when he says something definitely will happen.

[bsaza2358]

I'm heading out to my camping thing. Be well everyone and enjoy the draft.

[Geo]

I'll wait to see someone give up a 2008 1st round pick for Turner to believe it.

I don't care much for what the Chargers say has supposedly been offered to them.

[zoinks]

According to Clayton, the Bills are no longer in the running.

[Geo]

There's a shock.

[Vickissick07]

Anybody think this could possibly be Petrino and the Falcons trying to get their 'power back' now and not having to use any of this year's draft picks? I could see it. The Falcons could be scary after this draft if it was true and Turner panned out. Its a long shot but eh.

[JK17]

Chiming in a little late here, but saw the main part is that since its a 1st rounder next year, it carries 2nd round value. To be honest, I'm suprised AJ did that, considering how frequently he stated the price was way steeper then that, and usually he is pretty straightforward with that information.

Maybe he has his own system though that I;m not aware of.

Either way, I'd be happy for this if I'm SD, but I'm a little concerned now as to who will carry the load this season behind LT, as the backup...Still happy as a Charger fan if this is true though. My gut would tell me it's Tenn, being as the other main speculated teams all have shots at the top two running backs.

[Stash]

Wouldn't surprise me if this was just the Chargers GM saying someone had made this offer just to try and get someone else to bid higher.

[princefielder28]

Wow, giving up a 1st for a guy who will be a FA next year is dumb. Someone sounds real desperate.

Tennessee???

[bills_red]

According to Clayton, the Bills are no longer in the running.

YES! (10....)

[Number 10]

Anyone else hear that Turner to Tennessee is a done deal? I read it on another forum where someone in San Diego heard it on the radio.

[myinnerself]

Who knows. I am hearing all kinds of stuff. People are saying the Packers are the team that might give up their 08 first, and others are saying Titans are offering their 19th. I don't know if I buy either at all.

[GB12]

I really hope it's not the Packers. I just think a first rounder is a little too much for a guy who hasn't proved he can carry the load in the NFL yet and is going to be a FA. Personally i'd rather draft a guy like Marshawn Lynch than trade that pick for Turner.

I doubt that any team is giving up a first for him, and I'll guarentee the Packers won't.

[zoinks]

I really hope it's not the Packers. I just think a first rounder is a little too much for a guy who hasn't proved he can carry the load in the NFL yet and is going to be a FA. Personally i'd rather draft a guy like Marshawn Lynch than trade that pick for Turner.


So it's okay to use a first-round pick on a RB who has never played a down in the NFL......but using it for a guy like Turner is excessive?

Personally, I'm more impressed by the guy who averages 6 ypc in the NFL....but that's just me.

[GB12]

So it's okay to use a first-round pick on a RB who has never played a down in the NFL......but using it for a guy like Turner is excessive?

Personally, I'm more impressed by the guy who averages 6 ypc in the NFL....but that's just me.

I wouldn't call Turner proven either. He is playing behind the best RB in the league with a good Oline. I'm not saying he won't be good, but he's no sure thing. I would rather have Lynch by the way.

[myinnerself]

I wouldn't call Turner proven either. He is playing behind the best RB in the league with a good Oline. I'm not saying he won't be good, but he's no sure thing. I would rather have Lynch by the way.

He is infinitely more proven than Lynch or Peterson, whether you think so or not.

[zoinks]

Personal preference, I suppose.

However, I will say this: there are two or three Marshawn Lynches in the draft every year. And usually, they turn out to be pretty good players.

Last time I was this impressed with an unproven backup RB, it was 2004. Guy's name was Larry Johnson.

[High Roller]

So it's okay to use a first-round pick on a RB who has never played a down in the NFL......but using it for a guy like Turner is excessive?

Personally, I'm more impressed by the guy who averages 6 ypc in the NFL....but that's just me.

Good point! However, the part I found illogical about this is that he will be a FA next offseason, which would save a 1st rounder. On the other hand, the price may be higher for a contract with all other teams bidding.

Overall, I would make this decision if I were badly in need for a RB.

[GB12]

Good point! However, the part I found illogical about this is that he will be a FA next offseason, which would save a 1st rounder. On the other hand, the price may be higher for a contract with all other teams bidding.

Overall, I would make this decision if I were badly in need for a RB.

If he's traded the new team will have a contract ready. No team would trade a first with out getting him locked up first.

[EddieRoyalVT4]

Do you guys realize if the Bills trade their 1st Bruce Smith can't announce anything, ruining the whole plan to respect the recent Vtech tragedy? Or maybe they'll let him announce it for the Chargers, it just ruins the whole reasoning behind giving him that specific pick.

[TitleTown088]

http://www.fflivewire.com/Article.asp?ID=4272007pnh6991ni

Report: Packers most likely to land Chargers RB Turner
Written by: - ffLiveWire - ¦ 4/27/2007
Source:
FFLW is reporting that the Packers are rumored to be the likely landing spot for Chargers RB Michael Turner. Strong sources are saying that the deal will include the first round pick for 2008.

??

[Nitschke-Hawk]

I think it's the Titans. I haven't heard much about players they like, whereas with the Bills and Packers, every indication has been between a few different guys for each team

[Nitschke-Hawk]

http://www.fflivewire.com/Article.asp?ID=4272007pnh6991ni

Report: Packers most likely to land Chargers RB Turner
Written by: - ffLiveWire - ¦ 4/27/2007
Source:
FFLW is reporting that the Packers are rumored to be the likely landing spot for Chargers RB Michael Turner. Strong sources are saying that the deal will include the first round pick for 2008.

??

I wouldn't really care about a 2008 first round pick, if that's all it is.

[TitleTown088]

I wouldn't really care about a 2008 first round pick, if that's all it is.

If that all it is? It's a first round pick!!!!

[GB12]

I wouldn't really care about a 2008 first round pick, if that's all it is.

I do. I really don't like trading future picks. Especially if it's a first rounder.

[asmitty45]

My guess is the packers, they seem to want to go with lynch in the first anyways so they are getting a Vet HB instead of a rook. Gives SD a shot at Ginn too.

[Boston]

My guess is the packers, they seem to want to go with lynch in the first anyways so they are getting a Vet HB instead of a rook. Gives SD a shot at Ginn too.

Haha. Go fish.

[art vandelay]

Yeah, it's not going to be the Bills.

Wow, Packers giving up a future 1st? That's alot.

[Geo]

I'll wait to see someone give up a 2008 1st round pick for Turner to believe it.

I don't care much for what the Chargers say has supposedly been offered to them.
Still waiting.

[JK17]

Still waiting.

Could've been a bluff, SD could've also decided they did not want to get rid of him....I don't know what the situation was regarding Turner before...

but it looks like he'll be in SD this year.