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Troj2man
04-27-2007, 02:24 PM
There have been multiple rumors of the Ravens possibly taking a QB at #29. ESPN Insider has said that one rumor is the Ravens taking Trent Edwards in the first round. John Beck has also said he has talked to the Ravens, and they are very interested in him. Again these are just rumors, but I think it goes to show that the Ravens are ready to move on and look for a QB of the future.

How would you feel if the Ravens were to take Beck or Edwards at the end of round 1? Personally I think it may be a reach at #29, but then again these 2 QB's are shooting up draft boards big time. It would depend on what we do in the 2nd for me to like or hate a move like this. The O-line is really our only major hole right now, if we could land a guy like Sears in the 2nd, I'd be all for taking a QB at #29.

dcarey20
04-27-2007, 02:42 PM
Well I wouldn't totally count out taking Edwards in round 1, but I wouldn't put too much stock into it. I don't see any way he is BPA at that point.

Plus it would ruin my draft day if we took any QB besides Quinn or Russell in round 1.

Troj2man
04-27-2007, 02:56 PM
You can't really believe anything you hear. We just have to wait and see what's going to happen. Detroit is said to be very interested in John Beck with the 2nd pick in the 2nd round. If I'm the Ravens I'm telling Detroit that I'm taking Beck at #29 just to see what package they would give up to move to #29. You then drop down to the #2 overall pick in the 2nd round, take a guy like Edwards and still end up with our original 2nd at 61. Plus we would at least be getting a 3rd along with Detroits 2nd round pick if we were to trade with the Lions.

I would be estatic if we could trade back into the top of the 2nd, get our QB of the future, go bpa at #61, and also be able to pick in the 3rd round. I'm hoping this will happen. But once again we all have no clue of what is going to happen tomorrow.

BigDawg819
04-27-2007, 03:16 PM
All this QB talk is smoke and mirrors, there's no way we take a QB in the 1st round. Reaching for Edwards or Beck in either the 1st or 2nd would be a critical mistake IMO and the only reason this talk is out there is because of Neuhisal's man-crush on Edwards. Everyone knows I'm fully behind Kyle Boller as our QB of the future and I'm not about to argue that again. Alls I'm saying is that if we do get a QB in this draft he better be the real deal and he better be a solid QB for the next 5-10 years. This carousel of QB's every other year is ridiculous and I'm tired of it. If they don't stick with Kyle then this new kid better get it done!

America
04-27-2007, 04:00 PM
If we took a QB round one, I would flip a ****. I don't like drafting QBs often.

Troj2man
04-27-2007, 04:02 PM
All this QB talk is smoke and mirrors, there's no way we take a QB in the 1st round. Reaching for Edwards or Beck in either the 1st or 2nd would be a critical mistake IMO and the only reason this talk is out there is because of Neuhisal's man-crush on Edwards. Everyone knows I'm fully behind Kyle Boller as our QB of the future and I'm not about to argue that again. Alls I'm saying is that if we do get a QB in this draft he better be the real deal and he better be a solid QB for the next 5-10 years. This carousel of QB's every other year is ridiculous and I'm tired of it. If they don't stick with Kyle then this new kid better get it done!

Well the new guy would deserve as much time as Boller got. Hopefully if we do draft a QB, it will turn out better than the last QB we drafted. The sad thing is once Boller is gone next year, we'll have nothing to show for the 5 years he was here. Missing on a QB is devestating to a team, imagine how much worse they feel for giving up those picks for a QB that didn't work out.

Yung Flippa
04-27-2007, 06:17 PM
No way we pick John Beck in Round 1. I think that if we want Trent Edwards we can probably trade down with the Raiders for their 2nd and 3rd round picks

EdReedUnstoppable
04-27-2007, 06:20 PM
If we do take a QB at #29 then we didnt stay true to our board which would mean we went against everything that has made us successful in the past drafts.

Troj2man
04-27-2007, 06:55 PM
If we do take a QB at #29 then we didnt stay true to our board which would mean we went against everything that has made us successful in the past drafts.

To be fair, we don't know what the Ravens board looks like. They could very well have John Beck or Trent Edwards rated high enough to where they could be the bpa at #29.

My honest opinion right now is that the Ravens will select a QB with their first pick. Be it at #29 or a trade back into the 2nd round. I think the player that the Ravens really covet at the QB position is Trent Edwards. Just my opinion, I know it probably isn't going to turn out that way.

go_ravens94
04-27-2007, 07:21 PM
Edwards is smart, he went to Stanford, he'll do the job well.

YouNeverKnow
04-27-2007, 07:35 PM
I'd really be against picking a QB at the end of round one, just doesn't seem to be great value there. I would love, as Troj, suggested to move down into the top of round two and pick up an extra pick or something.

dcarey20
04-27-2007, 07:54 PM
I will say that I have heard alot of buzz about Trent Edwards to the Ravens. I have heard Neuheisel loves him, and if it were his choice, he would be the pick at 29. I think Edwards is a solid prospect, but I rank him in the late 2nd round range, so I'd be pretty pissed if he's the pick at 29.

I've also heard things about us being interested in Kevin Kolb. Kolb's agent said that the Ravens have shown a bunch of interest in him, maybe more than any other team. I'd love to have him, because I have him as the 3rd quarterback in the draft, and I think will be a very good player if he gets the chance. Obviously I don't want him at 29, but I'd really like him in the 2nd, which could be a possibility.

BigDawg819
04-27-2007, 09:55 PM
Edwards is smart, he went to Stanford, he'll do the job well.

Yeah he'll do great for a QB with mediocre stats that faced horrible teams except for when they had real competition he was lousy. I don't like em I don't want em but what can I do? Its Drew Stanton or know one IMO, so here's to no QB's so we don't have to go through this nightmare of constant QB talks until training camp.

America
04-27-2007, 10:16 PM
I honestly don't want to pick a QB. I hate using picks on quarterbacks..I don't know why. LINEMAN LINEMAN LINEMAN. And then hybrid players for the defense. That is all I really like.

Ravens1991
04-27-2007, 10:18 PM
Yea I am not really into QB in the first, I like Spencer but I am hoping for Moses in round 2 also.

Raven Domination
04-27-2007, 11:40 PM
All this QB talk is smoke and mirrors, there's no way we take a QB in the 1st round. Reaching for Edwards or Beck in either the 1st or 2nd would be a critical mistake IMO and the only reason this talk is out there is because of Neuhisal's man-crush on Edwards. Everyone knows I'm fully behind Kyle Boller as our QB of the future and I'm not about to argue that again. Alls I'm saying is that if we do get a QB in this draft he better be the real deal and he better be a solid QB for the next 5-10 years. This carousel of QB's every other year is ridiculous and I'm tired of it. If they don't stick with Kyle then this new kid better get it done!

C'mon. You think you're the only one tired of new QB's in Baltimore? But news flash...many teams are having the same problem we are. Finding franchise QB's is not easy...because QB is the toughest position to play in the NFL. Boller had his shot and didn't get the job done. Now has it been totally fair for him...being thrown in the fire like that and being ridiculed like a veteren his rookie year? Or the injuries he's sustained? Not at all...but what's in the past is in the past, and this is a league that asks "what have you done for me lately?" That's why McNair was brought in, but as a short term option. McNair will be our QB until he retires...and Boller for all intents and purposes has already lost his job. It's time that we start looking for someone to take over for McNair and go back to the drawing board.

As far as will we take a QB in the first round? No. If anything, we MAY take one in the second (probably only Trent Edwards if he falls that far). If Trent is gone by the time we pick in the 2nd...then I think we'll wait.

doingthisinsteadofwork
04-27-2007, 11:42 PM
Kyle Boller deserves another shot and lets face it Trent Edwards is a huge reach at this point.Please dont pick him.

Raven Domination
04-27-2007, 11:43 PM
If we do take a QB at #29 then we didnt stay true to our board which would mean we went against everything that has made us successful in the past drafts.

You know the official Ravens board? LOL...

Raven Domination
04-27-2007, 11:44 PM
Kyle Boller deserves another shot and lets face it Trent Edwards is a huge reach at this point.Please dont pick him.

He's had enough shots, and with the politics involved in the NFL anyway...I don't see him starting another season with us. Sorry to break it to you...

go_ravens94
04-28-2007, 08:37 AM
Yea I am not really into QB in the first, I like Spencer but I am hoping for Moses in round 2 also.

In Ozzie we trust. Heck, if we picked SAMARDIJZA in the first, I would still trust in Ozzie.

BigDawg819
04-28-2007, 08:41 AM
He's had enough shots, and with the politics involved in the NFL anyway...I don't see him starting another season with us. Sorry to break it to you...

Wow we are so glad that you are an authority figure to straighten all of us out about the Ravens. :rolleyes: Shut it ass clown, your opinions are meaningless and worthless and for you to start nitpicking everyone's posts like you actually have an intelligent thought is ridiculous. Go back to lurking and keep your opinions to your self cause no one else cares!

Bring on the offensive linemen and hybrid defensive players... :D

BigDawg819
04-28-2007, 08:41 AM
In Ozzie we trust. Heck, if we picked SAMARDIJZA in the first, I would still trust in Ozzie.

If he picked him in the 1st I'd smack him with a coal shovel.

EdReedUnstoppable
04-28-2007, 10:20 AM
You know the official Ravens board? LOL...

I know Trent Edwards isnt 29th on it, and if he is then we may need to examine the heads of Ozzie and ED.

go_ravens94
04-28-2007, 10:50 AM
I know Trent Edwards isnt 29th on it, and if he is then we may need to examine the heads of Ozzie and ED.

I think it's a smokescreen to tell you the truth.

Troj2man
04-28-2007, 10:53 AM
Wow we are so glad that you are an authority figure to straighten all of us out about the Ravens. :rolleyes: Shut it ass clown, your opinions are meaningless and worthless and for you to start nitpicking everyone's posts like you actually have an intelligent thought is ridiculous. Go back to lurking and keep your opinions to your self cause no one else cares!

Bring on the offensive linemen and hybrid defensive players... :D

Dude, what is wrong with you? Why is he not allowed to have his own opinion on Kyle Boller? Is the childish name calling really needed? Just respect his opinion and move on. You don't have to agree with him, but he's entitiled to his own opinion. No reason to try and turn new posters away. After all, what would this board be like if everyone agreed with you? Just chill out, we're all Ravens fans here and want what is best for the team that we love.

Enjoy the draft today BigDawg! Like every year, lets add another probowler to the best team in the NFL!

Raven Domination
04-28-2007, 11:16 AM
Dude, what is wrong with you? Why is he not allowed to have his own opinion on Kyle Boller? Is the childish name calling really needed? Just respect his opinion and move on. You don't have to agree with him, but he's entitiled to his own opinion. No reason to try and turn new posters away. After all, what would this board be like if everyone agreed with you? Just chill out, we're all Ravens fans here and want what is best for the team that we love.

Enjoy the draft today BigDawg! Like every year, lets add another probowler to the best team in the NFL!

That's what thin-skinned people do.

BigDawg819
04-28-2007, 11:19 AM
Dude, what is wrong with you? Why is he not allowed to have his own opinion on Kyle Boller? Is the childish name calling really needed? Just respect his opinion and move on. You don't have to agree with him, but he's entitiled to his own opinion. No reason to try and turn new posters away. After all, what would this board be like if everyone agreed with you? Just chill out, we're all Ravens fans here and want what is best for the team that we love.

Enjoy the draft today BigDawg! Like every year, lets add another probowler to the best team in the NFL!

Whatever I'm not going to stand by as some lurker comes in on draft day and act as though he's the authority on what the Ravens will do. This isn't about Kyle Boller, I've stated in another thread that I'm not discussing him today because this is about the draft and not Kyle. When some n00b comes in spouting off on draft day to established team posters you damn right I will tell him off cause NA UH AIN'T HAPPENING!

BigDawg819
04-28-2007, 11:21 AM
That's what thin-skinned people do.

Whatever n00b enjoy your one day of posting and then go back to lurking.

Raven Domination
04-28-2007, 11:34 AM
Whatever I'm not going to stand by as some lurker comes in on draft day and act as though he's the authority on what the Ravens will do. This isn't about Kyle Boller, I've stated in another thread that I'm not discussing him today because this is about the draft and not Kyle. When some n00b comes in spouting off on draft day to established team posters you damn right I will tell him off cause NA UH AIN'T HAPPENING!

I'm not a lurker "BigDawg." Yea, I don't make 10 posts everyday...I do have a steady life outside of the internet and this website.

Troj2man
04-28-2007, 11:35 AM
So because we're new posters our opinions don't matter? That's seems pretty stupid to me. So what if we don't have 2,187 posts. Does that mean that we have to bow down to the "veteran" posters? You should welcome new posters and their opinions, it will make this board better overall for Raven discussions.

What I'm getting at is, post count means nothing! If having over 1,000 posts makes you feel entitled to something then I feel sorry for you. We're all Ravens fans here regardless of 7 posts or 7,000 posts.

BigDawg819
04-28-2007, 12:54 PM
No bs anymore, trade up and get Brady! That's hit, no question, get Quinn now!

Raven Domination
04-28-2007, 01:07 PM
No bs anymore, trade up and get Brady! That's hit, no question, get Quinn now!

We actually agree on something? The only way we should move up is if he drops into the 20s. This early would cost too much...and there's still 2 or 3 teams that could snag him up. Carolina, Kansas City, and Jacksonville.

Troj2man
04-28-2007, 01:11 PM
I honestly can see maybe 2 teams that would draft Quinn ahead of us. KC and Jacksonville and that's pretty much it. I'm sitting here hoping and praying that Quinn could fall to #29 or at least the 20's so we can trade up.

SF- Smith
BUF- Losman
CAR- Delhomme/Carr
PIT- Roethlisberger
GB- Favre/Rogers
JAC- Leftwich/Garrard
CIN- Palmer
TEN- Young
NYG- Manning
DEN- Cutler
DAL- Romo
KC- Croyle
NE- Brady
NYJ- Pennington/Clemmens
PHI- Mcnabb
NO- Brees
NE- Brady

BigDawg819
04-28-2007, 01:13 PM
We actually agree on something? The only way we should move up is if he drops into the 20s. This early would cost too much...and there's still 2 or 3 teams that could snag him up. Carolina, Kansas City, and Jacksonville.

I can't see Carolina passing on him, yes it would cost us a 1st next year but if you have a Brady Quinn in the fold I think a late 1st next year, which assuredly it be with our defense and an improved offense, is totally worth it. I'm 1000% behind Kyle as our QB of the future but my views are not that of the franchise per se, but Quinn would be a franchise guy which we all agree we need is worth it and not a risk like a Trent Edwards or John Beck who are crap shoots.

Troj2man
04-28-2007, 01:21 PM
I can't see Carolina passing on him, yes it would cost us a 1st next year but if you have a Brady Quinn in the fold I think a late 1st next year, which assuredly it be with our defense and an improved offense, is totally worth it. I'm 1000% behind Kyle as our QB of the future but my views are not that of the franchise per se, but Quinn would be a franchise guy which we all agree we need is worth it and not a risk like a Trent Edwards or John Beck who are crap shoots.

You really think Carolina would go with Quinn? They just got David Carr, and Delhomme can still play. My thinking was that they would go defense. We'll see soon.

Raven Domination
04-28-2007, 01:36 PM
You really think Carolina would go with Quinn? They just got David Carr, and Delhomme can still play. My thinking was that they would go defense. We'll see soon.

I know. My real money is on Kansas City or Jacksonville.

BigDawg819
04-28-2007, 01:48 PM
I know. My real money is on Kansas City or Jacksonville.

Well think of this, Green Bay needs a running back and none are going any time soon so a safe pick would most likely be Greg Olsen out of Miami, who would be there at 29, we jump up their at 16 we could get Brady Quinn.

Raven Domination
04-28-2007, 01:59 PM
Well think of this, Green Bay needs a running back and none are going any time soon so a safe pick would most likely be Greg Olsen out of Miami, who would be there at 29, we jump up their at 16 we could get Brady Quinn.

I know, but think about this...if we don't trade up with either the Steelers or Green Bay....all we have to do is pray Jacksonville passes up on him and he'll be in the 20s (cause KC doesn't pick until #23).

Ravens1991
04-28-2007, 02:03 PM
I dont see Quinn pst 17 JACK

BigDawg819
04-28-2007, 02:08 PM
I know, but think about this...if we don't trade up with either the Steelers or Green Bay....all we have to do is pray Jacksonville passes up on him and he'll be in the 20s (cause KC doesn't pick until #23).

Too many variables there, I say make the trade with Green Bay, offer maybe a Mike Anderson, Musa Smith, or even a Derrick Mason along with the 29th that way we get Brady and they can get a Greg Olsen.

RyanXQ
04-28-2007, 02:09 PM
i dont think Jacksonville would take him, KC at 23 would, but i want the ravens to trade up right now and take him.

Raven Domination
04-28-2007, 02:12 PM
I'm beginning to get skeptical about our chances after hearing both the Lions and Clowns are trying to trade up to get him. Some teams are much more desperate for success than we are...so our thinking may be...unless he gets extremely close to our pick or falls to us altogether...we won't do anything because we're not THAT needy at QB.

Raven Domination
04-28-2007, 02:17 PM
Well Jacksonville is on the clock...this will determine everything else.

BigDawg819
04-28-2007, 02:18 PM
I'm beginning to get skeptical about our chances after hearing both the Lions and Clowns are trying to trade up to get him. Some teams are much more desperate for success than we are...so our thinking may be...unless he gets extremely close to our pick or falls to us altogether...we won't do anything because we're not THAT needy at QB.


At this point we have better resources to use as draft trade bait so I believe we can get a deal done if needed. And QB is a need, Kyle is in his last year and don't won't really be a picnic in terms of negotiating not to mention Suggs' contract needs to be done and after Kyle is Drew Olsen who as much as I love him and his upside would you be comfortable with him backing up McNair in 08 with no experience in the NFL and a rookie with no experience either as the backups? Best Player Available philosophy is just that best player available no matter what the position. When you get the opportunity to get a player like this you have to make it happen.

Raven Domination
04-28-2007, 02:27 PM
Jacksonville traded up with Denver and goes back to #21...

This is too damn stressful!!!

EDIT: I think it's clear Jacksonville doesn't want Quinn or they would have snagged him just then.

dcarey20
04-28-2007, 02:39 PM
Jacksonville has to be targeting Nelson at 21

Raven Domination
04-28-2007, 02:47 PM
Shefter just mentioned Baltimore!!!

dcarey20
04-28-2007, 02:55 PM
Shefter just mentioned Baltimore!!!

hell yeah man

Ravens1991
04-28-2007, 02:57 PM
what did he say about it

Ravens1991
04-28-2007, 02:59 PM
29th
Dan Cody
4th
6th

BigDawg819
04-28-2007, 03:46 PM
Well I had hopes for Quinn to wear the Purple and Black so no one can say I'm not pragmatic to the needs but another reason to get Quinn was to keep him out of Cleveland. Oh well at least they were in the mix and now we can look forward to beaten on him for the next couple of years. :D Besides a 1st next year and a 2nd is a bit too much, especially since the Cleveland pick will almost certainly be a top 10 pick next year.

Ravens1991
04-28-2007, 03:48 PM
yea I am hoping that they end up giving to much. Plus how in the world are they gonna be able to fit Thomas and Quinn under the salary cap.

We were so darn close to take him.

Raven Domination
04-28-2007, 03:51 PM
They gave up their 2nd and next year's 1st...so yea. But Suzy Kolber was saying we were talking to Quinn for a very long time. So we were serious about getting him...which means we're serious about drafting a QB.

BigDawg819
04-28-2007, 03:56 PM
They gave up their 2nd and next year's 1st...so yea. But Suzy Kolber was saying we were talking to Quinn for a very long time. So we were serious about getting him...which means we're serious about drafting a QB.

Not so fast young padawan, we were serious about getting Brady Quinn not necessarily a QB. Brady Quinn is a top 5 talent still out there at 22, he's worth going after that does not mean that now you scramble for something less than. Kyle could still be the future and lets no discredit may be getting a QB next year. Right now I feel the focus is a Staley, Branch, Meachem, or trading back.