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Scotty D
04-27-2007, 10:25 PM
Discussion about all picks, players, trades, and happenings shall be discussed in here.

asmitty45
04-27-2007, 10:28 PM
Darell Jackson to the 9ers? I think that was a steal for them, if hes healthy.

Scotty D
04-27-2007, 10:29 PM
Darell Jackson to the 9ers? I think that was a steal for them, if hes healthy.

Me to. I remember Xio talking about getting him. I think the discussion was giving up a 5th rounder though.

Xiomera
04-27-2007, 10:34 PM
Me to. I remember Xio talking about getting him. I think the discussion was giving up a 5th rounder though.

I still think that's a steal of a price (4th rounder).


We need a sticky . . . Pats-Lions has been MIA for a couple days now . . .

Scotty D
04-27-2007, 10:40 PM
I still think that's a steal of a price (4th rounder).


We need a sticky . . . Pats-Lions has been MIA for a couple days now . . .

I have the power!

detroit4life
04-27-2007, 10:43 PM
I have the power!


i never got a speech

619
04-27-2007, 10:44 PM
4th rounder for darrell jackson was an absolute steal for the 49ers but remember this guy has had multiple knee injuries over the past couple of years that have gone somewhat unoticed

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Scotty D
04-28-2007, 10:16 AM
I keep hearing that Mike Williams to the Titans is a done deal. Anyone have any idea on what we are getting?

Maybe Next Year Millen2
04-28-2007, 10:19 AM
Yeah Jackson is a steal for a 4th if healthy. He has to pass his physical though. With Al Wilson and Quarles you never know, it might not go down.

Wow BMW to Ten. Makes sense with Norm Chow.

Xiomera
04-28-2007, 10:20 AM
I keep hearing that Mike Williams to the Titans is a done deal. Anyone have any idea on what we are getting?

Probably another 5th, lol

They have these picks:

Rd 3 - #17(80) Rd 4 - #16(115) Rd 4 - #29(128) Rd 5 - #15(152) Rd 6 - #14(188) Rd 6 - #30(204) Rd 6 - #32(206) Rd 7 - #13(223)

Maybe Next Year Millen2
04-28-2007, 10:23 AM
Thats a nice 5 mil cap hit if we trade Mike today. How much room do we have left?

Notredameleo
04-28-2007, 10:45 AM
Why the hell are they booing quinn? theyre just hating on him because hes from ND.

Bootland27
04-28-2007, 10:58 AM
http://blog.mlive.com/lionsinsider/

phones are ringing off the hook

familyguy555
04-28-2007, 11:32 AM
Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssssss11!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!

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Pocket
04-28-2007, 11:33 AM
Good pick. As much as I didn't want him, it's obvious there was not a good offer on the table, and I like the pick.

WMD
04-28-2007, 11:33 AM
Thank you!

Geo
04-28-2007, 11:37 AM
What an exciting day to see Calvin Johnson, the best wide receiver prospect yet imo, join the team you root for. Congrats, Lions fans.

I know there's talk of trades, but I've been saying recently that I not only expect the Lions to pick CJ but to gladly keep him. The guy is a 6-5, 235 lbs. Marvin Harrison, once in a decade might not cut it in describing him.

bearsfan_51
04-28-2007, 11:39 AM
Good pick by the Lions, you can't be afraid of your past. Smart move. Now they need to hope that Backus and Foster can block long enough to get him the ball and that they can get their QB of the future at 34.

Green Kool Aid
04-28-2007, 11:48 AM
Hey. An Eagles fan here. I was just thinking that you guys should look out for Grubbs, Blalock, or Kalil in the 2nd instead of a QB. Hod that off till next year. You've got 3 decebt rbs, Foster and Backus as tackles. You just need a better o-line to protect the qb and help the run game.

If you also spend some picks on D, you could be a .500, 9-7 team, maybe one draft away from the playoffs.

Maybe Millen finally got it right.

Notredameleo
04-28-2007, 11:51 AM
Thanks for all the compliments from the other teams fans. Very classy!!

Mythos
04-28-2007, 12:03 PM
We've needed to take a guard since Millen's been here. I'd take Blalock or Grubbs I just don't see MIllen doing it. I'm hoping now Spencer slides through to 34.

Bootland27
04-28-2007, 12:05 PM
Matt Millen says no trade. He is talking about his crush on CJ on 97.1 right now.

Lions-Slappy
04-28-2007, 12:53 PM
man surprised we kept CJ, thought for sure we would have traded him by now.. should be very exciting to watch CJ and Roy next year on the field together, if KJ can get healthy they will just open up the running game for him by spreading the field..

Wow Miami just picked Ginn??? wtf never expected that pick.... Quinns girlfriend is watching the dollar signs fly by :P

Scotty D
04-28-2007, 12:54 PM
Miami takes Ginn over Quinn? Wow. BTW I love the Calvin pick. I'm really puzzled as to where we look in the second round right now.

Lions-Slappy
04-28-2007, 01:04 PM
Hey maybe Quinn will fall to the Lions for their second round pick now :)

I know it will never happen, but we can dream cant we, CJ and Quinn I wouldnt know what to do with myself....

Scotty D
04-28-2007, 01:16 PM
Hey maybe Quinn will fall to the Lions for their second round pick now :)

I know it will never happen, but we can dream cant we, CJ and Quinn I wouldnt know what to do with myself....

If for some reasons he gets to the 20s. I think it would be smart to trade up.

Mythos
04-28-2007, 01:39 PM
Denver's 1st, 2nd, and 3rd looking good to anybody? (and '08 first?)

Addict
04-28-2007, 01:47 PM
We got CJ... I'm excited people!!!!

Lions-Slappy
04-28-2007, 02:10 PM
So if Jacksonville doesn't select Quinn at 17 he's almost guaranteed to fall into the 20's, what would it take for the Lions to trade back into the first and take him?

2nd pick and all our fifths lol

Notredameleo
04-28-2007, 02:47 PM
This would be agreat draft if we traded up and got Quinn, id ont care what we have to give up!!!

Lions-Slappy
04-28-2007, 03:27 PM
not sure how I feel about the Quinn trade, would have loved for the Lions to get him, but not if they had to give up next years first round. as I expect another top 10 first round pick..

Gratz to Cleveland for having the balls to make that trade, holy sh** Thomas and Quinn in the same draft? how awesome would that be..

P-L
04-28-2007, 03:33 PM
I am not thrilled with the pick of Calvin Johnson, but I am by no means disappointed. I just hope we don't go after John Beck or Trent Edwards in the 2nd Round. It looks like either Anthony Spencer or Jon Beason could be there. I hope they don't pass if one of them is there.

JPLUFF
04-28-2007, 03:33 PM
So who do we take with the 34th?

Meriwether? Durant?

Lions-Slappy
04-28-2007, 03:40 PM
Alan Branch?

Mythos
04-28-2007, 03:41 PM
I'm hoping for Spencer.

Scotty D
04-28-2007, 03:52 PM
I'm calling Edwards, and I won't like it.

Notredameleo
04-28-2007, 03:54 PM
I hope we dont take Edwards. I want Durant or Branch???

Bootland27
04-28-2007, 03:57 PM
gotta go defense in round 2. Players I think we could use that are still on the board:

1. Anthony Spencer
2. Paul Posluzny
3. Jon Beason
4. Chris Houston

casskid
04-28-2007, 04:13 PM
Spencer and Beason are gone. Probably Durant, and Johnson. Could luck out and Grubbs, Blalock, Poz, Houston, or Branch. Branch doesnt really fit a need but it would be a nice rotation.

Oh and Harris

Iamcanadian
04-28-2007, 04:18 PM
Do you think Tampa Bay suckered Millen into thinking they wanted Johnson when in fact they wanted Adams all along. Remember, they are a Cover 2 team just like us. And where did all those trade downs go, you think all those teams played us like a fine piano.
I have to wonder if Martz isn't really our HC, he certainly got his way in the
1st round or did Millen just take the safe route so he won't have another flop.
Poor Marinelli, he's stuck with one of the worst defenses in the NFL and is going to take all the blame for another miserable season.

Lions-Slappy
04-28-2007, 04:42 PM
IAC I still think that Tampa really wanted CJ, did they play Millen, yes probably, but I can't say I am really pissed at the pick, I would have been much more pissed if they took Adams at #2...

CJ is a great addition to our team, but you are right we will still suck with zero defense next year. it will be very interesting to see how the rest of day 1 goes. specially if they choose a QB with the second pick as reported....

Lions-Slappy
04-28-2007, 04:46 PM
Man I thought he would be gone long before now, but do you think there is a chance the Lions can still get Paul Posluzny in the second? only 4 picks till we are up? does Pos fit our needs?

Mythos
04-28-2007, 04:54 PM
Pos has some really mixed reviews--it makes me nervous. I'm thinking Harris or Weddle. Probably Weddle and look to Durant w/ the 3rd. Blalock has to be tempting, though.

Lions-Slappy
04-28-2007, 04:58 PM
Sorry to get off the draft for a second but Red Wings 3 San Jose 2 WOOT!!!!!

Wings in 7..

sorry back to the draft now, it was killing me to watch both today, I am so glad the Hockey game is over so I can watch the rest of the draft undisturbed :)

Bootland27
04-28-2007, 05:05 PM
Man I thought he would be gone long before now, but do you think there is a chance the Lions can still get Paul Posluzny in the second? only 4 picks till we are up? does Pos fit our needs?

Only 3 away now....but hell yeah puz would definitely be a fit for us. Probably will be a SLB or MLB and he has good coverage skills which is an asset in the cover-2. He is 100% a marinelli type player. He isn't overly athletic, and needs to add more bulk to his frame, but overall he could be a tremendous player.

Scotty D
04-28-2007, 05:09 PM
A lot of offensive talent going to the NFC North. CJ, AD, Greg Olsen. Oh my.

Bootland27
04-28-2007, 05:19 PM
I hope this doesn't happen.....but I heard killer saying the lions will take Abiamiri.

Lions-Slappy
04-28-2007, 05:21 PM
wow Branch and Pos still available in round 2 who would of thunk it? I am very interested in the Lions second pick..

Mythos
04-28-2007, 05:26 PM
I don't get Killer's two year window bit. Everything Millen has done has been to emulate the Colts. Check out their WR payroll, and it just got bigger.

Addict
04-28-2007, 05:27 PM
branch, poz, houston...
one of those three WILL be available...
Houston would be a great DB pick... Though Puz might be more... effective. Harris?

Addict
04-28-2007, 05:29 PM
I don't get Killer's two year window bit. Everything Millen has done has been to emulate the Colts. Check out their WR payroll, and it just got bigger.

CJ in means BMW is out. Don't worry about it.

Arizona just took Branch! Houston and Puz still available. WOW

Lions-Slappy
04-28-2007, 05:30 PM
Just traded our second with Buffalo?

Mythos
04-28-2007, 05:32 PM
you got the poz at 34 part right!

Bootland27
04-28-2007, 05:38 PM
trade with buffalo. They take puz, lions drop down and get a 3rd as a result.

Addict
04-28-2007, 05:43 PM
trade with buffalo. They take puz, lions drop down and get a 3rd as a result.

I don't get this trade though... we need LB, we need DB, you've got Puz and Houston sitting there and you trade out of the ROUND?! What the hell?!

Scotty D
04-28-2007, 05:43 PM
Interesting trade down. I wish I knew who they are targeting.

Lions-Slappy
04-28-2007, 05:47 PM
I don't get this trade though... we need LB, we need DB, you've got Puz and Houston sitting there and you trade out of the ROUND?! What the hell?!

Didnt trade out of the round, they got the Bills #11 in the second and then their third also.

but I agree not sure why they would trade that spot.

Mythos
04-28-2007, 05:51 PM
I think we had to trade down in order to burn a first day pick on a QB.

Scotty D
04-28-2007, 05:58 PM
I think we had to trade down in order to burn a first day pick on a QB.

Exactly. We will go QB, MLB, DE with the rest of our picks. I believe. Not in that order though.

Mythos
04-28-2007, 06:09 PM
I think Harris may go one pick ahead of us to the Pats.

Addict
04-28-2007, 06:12 PM
Good chance we can pick up either harris or houston, either would be great.

and I missed the second rounder, that was a pretty good trade, an extra first day guy never hurts I guess.

Scotty D
04-28-2007, 06:20 PM
Indy just traded in front of us.

Scotty D
04-28-2007, 06:25 PM
DREW STANTON. Uh OH.

Lions-Slappy
04-28-2007, 06:29 PM
OMG Not Stanton :P we had the 28th ranked Defense in the league in 2007 and have gone all offense :(

plus as a University of Michigan fan Stanton just rubs me the wrong way :P

Addict
04-28-2007, 06:30 PM
Pats-Lions is gonna be PISSED!

Can't believe we passed on Harris, so much for a defensive draft I guess.

Notredameleo
04-28-2007, 06:38 PM
Sorry, but i would much rather have Stanton than edwards, and he would not have been there in the third. plus Buster davis might still be there in the third, or maybe even David harris will still be therte, but i doubt it. We can also pick up Eric Wright with our second third rounde rhopefully. That would be a great first day for the Lions.

Addict
04-28-2007, 06:47 PM
You do realize that this destroys our chances of 'BOOTY' on the back of a Lions jersey?
Jezus Christ we get no defensive players! CJ, I was thrilled, but if we went offense in the first, we HAD to come back and draft defense.

**** david harris is gone. What do we do now?

Mythos
04-28-2007, 06:48 PM
Any bets as to DE now? Bauzin? Robison?

ThEvIcTR
04-28-2007, 07:08 PM
Oh my lord not stanton! We'll I might be a Michigan fan but I'm also a lions fan, so I will have to support this. Stantons measurable are off the charts but he needs to work on his mechanics and not make such bad decisions.


Dan Baunzin and Bustor Davis in the third.

Mythos
04-28-2007, 07:08 PM
OMG. Anybody else just watch nfl network's stanton pro-day tape? PULL!!!

TwO WoRdS ThE LiOnS
04-28-2007, 07:15 PM
I guess the Lions are sticking w/ CJ and the Buccs are sticking w/ Adams. I mean a trio of Roy Williams-Calvin Johnson-Mike Furrey is as deadly as any receiver trio, but I hope this is the last receiver we take early in the draft for a while.

I don't really know about the Stanton pick because I think Trent Edwards could be a better pro(even tho the season he had at Stanford). Or the Lions could of did what the Browns did and traded baCk into the 1st and drafted Quinn.

Right before the draft went to ESPN2 the Jags took the guy I wanted the Lions to take in the 3rd round Justin Durant. I wish the Lions could trade some picks for the rights to Durant, because as I said I read he is a good fit for the cover 2 defense.

I am about to go out but I hope the Lions find some gems in the 3rd. HoLLa baCk

Addict
04-28-2007, 07:19 PM
we just traded McCown and BMW to Oakland for a fourth-round pick.

Saves us a lot of cap room, but I do feel we could/should have gotten more

Bootland27
04-28-2007, 07:59 PM
WTF???? The lions trade up and take Alama-Francis (Hawaii) over charles johnson and marcus mccauley?????

Go Blue
04-28-2007, 08:17 PM
Then take Gerald Alexander????? WTF?

And no picks in the 3rd??? This isnt looking the greatest anymore!

Bootland27
04-28-2007, 08:29 PM
Gerald Alexander taken at #61. This was their 2nd move back into the 2nd round.

3rd rounder and 4th rounder
3rd rounder and 5th rounder

I believe the 3rd and 4th was for Alexander, 3rd and 5th for Alama-Francis

Mel Kiper said both Francis and Alexander were most likely gonna be available on day 2. Last 2 have been reaches.

This is becoming a joke.... it looks like the Lions are trying to outsmart everyone else, and try and find their hidden Gem

Mythos
04-28-2007, 09:13 PM
I'm gonna go get drunk now.

WMD
04-28-2007, 09:36 PM
Just because we're picking these players in Round 2 doesn't mean they're going to be good.. Blah.

Michigan
04-28-2007, 10:02 PM
Ugh... Stanton... Not sure if I'll continue to be a Lions fan once Stanton comes in and throws interception after interception. Typical Millen move

CJ was ok pick, I liked the Francis pick, Alexander pick was ok.

Iamcanadian
04-28-2007, 11:22 PM
I'm just sick of Millen's ineptitude. This draft is a pure disaster.

Mythos
04-28-2007, 11:38 PM
Once again all flash and a some high risk picks. I don't know if I'm more suprised that I'm suprised or suprised over the picks...
I'm hoping it'll be revealved what Atl and the 3rd team was offering. If Tampa offered anything, I bet it was a third. I;m not sure they were the third team though (SF?). Denver seemed to at least offer their first day. Maybe an '08 pick.
What could've been w/ Denver (defense heavy)
#21 Spencer or Moss
#34 MLB: Pos/Harris/Durant or OL: Sears/Blalock
#56 Gerald Alexander
#66 Jason Hill or Tank Tyler or Brandon Mebane
#86 Stanton or Edwards
or from Denver the "franchise QB route"
#21 Quinn
#34 Sears/Blalock
#56 Gerald Alexander
#66 Buster Davis
#86 D, Hughes.

w/ offers from the other teams it could only have been better.

Brodeur
04-28-2007, 11:42 PM
I think this draft clearly showed that Millen let Marinelli and Martz heavily influence his picks. Francis and Alexander were reaches, but they are Marinelli players due to their high characters and high motors. Not too mention that Martz was the one that was high on Stanton and well CJesus is just CJesus.

Criticize the first day all you want, but I think it was a solid first day. It wasn't spectacular, but we filled some needs and got some versatility in Francis and Alexander.

detroit4life
04-28-2007, 11:43 PM
i was a huge an of CJ and Stanton to be honest this sets up our offense for awhile with us possiblt having to adress Oline once or twice in the next 5 years. IMO stanton given a year under Martz will be able to step in and be a good starter we now have a franchise QB and a great offense around him as well as a great OC/QB coach in Martz.

I do not like the Alma-francis pick or the alexander pick. With DEs like Jonson, Moses, and Bazuin on the board why did we take a project player. The 3 other guys could have made an impact on this team this year while he will most likely not. Alexander souns like a project CB for us as well and we passed on McCauley and hughes for him?

I much would have rathered us leave day one with Johnson/Moses and McCauley/hughes than those two. Seems like they could have made an impact this year while the other two are projects and boom/bust type while the ones i mentioned were safe picks but i am happy with CJ and Stanton

detroit4life
04-29-2007, 12:06 AM
so who do we look at in rounds 4 and 5

WMD
04-29-2007, 12:16 AM
Ugh... Stanton... Not sure if I'll continue to be a Lions fan once Stanton comes in and throws interception after interception. Typical Millen move

Well, Kitna does it enough.. Should be used to it by now.

sweetness34
04-29-2007, 12:23 AM
Well, Kitna does it enough.. Should be used to it by now.

You know what they say, sometime's change isn't a good thing. ;)

At least Detroit made it entertaining with all the trades. Idk, I'm on the fence with the CJ selection. I realize it was BPA and it was hard to pass his talent up, but with Thomas and Adams there I thought that might've been the better move. I mean Furrey did have a big year this season, and you have Roy Williams as your #1. I'll wait until tomorrow to see which way I sway, because right now I'm 50/50 on this pick.

I liked Edwards better than Stanton there but I guess your front office didn't feel the same way. Drew is a project, no question about that but it helps to have the QB czar Mike Martz helping him out. He's got the tools but like I said, he needs a lot of work.

The Alma-Francis and Alexander picks were kind of surprising because it seemd like there were better players at those positions on the board.

Right now CJ makes your draft. Whether or not you needed him doesn't matter, he's the best player in this draft hands down and he's on your squad now.

Just my thoughts...Good luck tomorrow (not!) :D

WMD
04-29-2007, 12:44 AM
I'll try to put a positive spin on the picks.

And as far as Ikiaka Alama-Francis goes.. I assume the Lions loved his tools and they feel with Marinelli they should get the max out of him, which could be very good...

Same with Gerald Alexander.. I must admit that I don't know much about him, but from what I read he's very athletic, and can play Cornerback for us.

Drew Stanton.. I don't like him, I never wanted him on the Lions.. He's got tools, but his head isn't there. He reminds me too much of Jake Plummer.. Mistake prone... Will be great one play, and the next he's mildly retardedd.. Hopefully Mike Martz can work his magic and turn Drew Stanton into a star. Would have much, much rather taken Defense here, David Harris anyone? I don't think Stanton was in immediate danger.. We could've traded back in for him.

CJ, what hasn't be said.. He's the man, best player in the draft, tools to be the best WR in the NFL in a short amount of time. Hall of Fame potential. Very excited to see him on Sundays.

We got one almost SURE thing and three project players with a TON of potential.. If the coaching staff does their job, we could have a very good draft class in a couple years. I do think there were better options when we traded up, but the Coaching Staff must have a ton of confidence, and they better turn these players out.

WMD
04-29-2007, 12:57 AM
Ouch.. about the Mike Williams Trade:::

http://blog.mlive.com/lionsinsider/2007/04/a_fitting_end_to_mike_williams.html

If Mike Williams wasn't watching the draft, or one of his friends didn't call to clue him in, he might still not know he's been traded to the Raiders. The relationship between the Lions and Williams got so rocky that when he was finally dealt, the Lions didn't even bother to call Williams or his agent.
--

Kind of stupid.. Matt Millen acting childish.. surprise, surprise. Not setting a good example for our players... as if he ever has.

Brodeur
04-29-2007, 01:16 AM
so who do we look at in rounds 4 and 5

I'm thinking maybe Zack DeOssie or Tanard Jackson in Round 4 and just BPA all across the board in Round 5 (with an O-Lineman probably in there somewhere).

Iamcanadian
04-29-2007, 01:44 AM
I indeed think that Millen was influenced by Martz and his determination to prove a team can actually be built around WR's. However, I think Marinelli was left out of the equation and is left hanging by his thumbs as far as the defense is conserned. We had a terrible defense to begin with and this draft really made little attempt to improve it.
Martz will use his offense to get himself another HCing gig especially when it is compared to our defense. When he leaves, we will have blanks at QB and the defense will still have to be rebuilt. It is a frightening senerio for me as I think we are looking at a very long rebuilding process that will only get off the ground when Millen finally leaves, until then, we will be stuck with his drafting ineptitude.
I really think Tampa played with Millen and suckered him into drafting Johnson so they could rebuild their defense. They are a Cover 2 defense and need exactly the same players on defense as us. They got Adams who will be the cornerstone of their defense as it is rebuilt. If Tampa really had wanted Johnson, they would have paid the price Millen was asking for, to acquire the so called #1 prospect in the draft. Maybe, they felt that Johnson isn't as good as the hype might suggest and more important, they realize that rebuilding a team around a WR is ludicrous.

TwO WoRdS ThE LiOnS
04-29-2007, 02:33 AM
So I leave and come to find out the Lions didn't get any household names in Alama-Francis and Alexander. I think Millen is so dumb he could of taken David Harris or Justin Durant w/ pick #43 and w/ the trade w/ Baltimore at #61 they could of either taken Trent Edwards or Quentin Moses. Can somebody answer me why did the Lions take Alexander in the 2nd round if we already have Daniel Bullocks?

I do not like the Stanton pick at all, I believe I would even take my chances of taking Jeff Zabransky in day 2 if the Lions missed out on Edwards or even Chris Leak. I give the Lions grade of a D- for day 1. HoLLa baCk

WMD
04-29-2007, 02:51 AM
Gerald Alexander is probably going to play Cornerback.

Geo
04-29-2007, 03:15 AM
Mel Kiper said both Francis and Alexander were most likely gonna be available on day 2. Last 2 have been reaches.
I seriously doubt Francis would have made it to Day Two.

Go Blue
04-29-2007, 05:49 AM
What do you guys think of Siler at pick 6 of round 4? I thought he was projected a a possible 2 round pick?

Fred Bennet or Terrel Brown in the later rounds?

And after ALL the holes we filled on Defense, how many of you are looking forward to playing AP with Minnesota twice a year? lol

Addict
04-29-2007, 08:38 AM
What do you guys think of Siler at pick 6 of round 4? I thought he was projected a a possible 2 round pick?

Fred Bennet or Terrel Brown in the later rounds?

And after ALL the holes we filled on Defense, how many of you are looking forward to playing AP with Minnesota twice a year? lol

Well I'm all for drafting Siler, since he's good value, think we'll have to pick him in the first though...

As for our picks... Loved CJ, BPA and you can't let your past mistakes decide your draft, we're a pass-first offense and if Furry got 98 catches, imagine CJ's production. I can't get myself to love the Stanton pick, he's allright for a QB but there was much more solid defensive value on the board, and I'm struggling to understand why they didn't select David Harris or Chris Houston, hell even Poz was available before we traded down.
Alama-Francis is a project with massive potential, good pick, but again, slight reach. And last but not least I'm not even gonna try pretending I know anything about Gerald Alexander, but at least it's a DB thus fills need.

Addict
04-29-2007, 08:41 AM
oh and I'm very happy BMW and McCown got the boot. That made draft day fun again, Stanton made a little more sense after that trade.

So as for tomorrow... Siler? (maybe if he's gone Crosby? He's good value in 4, Scott had him in the 2nd.)

Notredameleo
04-29-2007, 08:52 AM
What picks do we have left for day 2. is it a 4th, 3 5ths, and a seventh?

Mythos
04-29-2007, 09:48 AM
And after ALL the holes we filled on Defense, how many of you are looking forward to playing AP with Minnesota twice a year? lol[/QUOTE]

AD and Benson 4-times every year. This year add LT and LJ. I bet we give up 1000yds against those teams alone. We're gonna see good backs in Portis and Cadillac and physical run teams in NYG and Dallas, oh yeah and Denver. I could realistically see us giving up 3000 rush yds this year and dusting Indy's record of 2700 last year. Just killling it.

I cannot believe this draft. Un-f#%^# believable.

Xiomera
04-29-2007, 09:51 AM
As Nerv and Lions WMD undoubtedly know by now, I hated the Lions draft with a serious passion on Day One.

I was absolutely livid when they decided to deal up for Alama-Francis, especially after seeing Crowder and Abiamiri go just a couple slots ahead of him, both of which would have been far superior picks.

Alexander better be the best damn player in the world, because we essentially traded a third round pick, Josh McCown, and Mike Williams to get him.

Ouch

Addict
04-29-2007, 09:56 AM
And after ALL the holes we filled on Defense, how many of you are looking forward to playing AP with Minnesota twice a year? lol

AD and Benson 4-times every year. This year add LT and LJ. I bet we give up 1000yds against those teams alone. We're gonna see good backs in Portis and Cadillac and physical run teams in NYG and Dallas, oh yeah and Denver. I could realistically see us giving up 3000 rush yds this year and dusting Indy's record of 2700 last year. Just killling it.

I cannot believe this draft. Un-f#%^# believable.

It all went downhill FAST after CJ.

Mythos
04-29-2007, 10:01 AM
As Nerv and Lions WMD undoubtedly know by now, I hated the Lions draft with a serious passion on Day One.

I was absolutely livid when they decided to deal up for Alama-Francis, especially after seeing Crowder and Abiamiri go just a couple slots ahead of him, both of which would have been far superior picks.

Alexander better be the best damn player in the world, because we essentially traded a third round pick, Josh McCown, and Mike Williams to get him.

Ouch

6-5 4.83 as a cover-2 end? wtf? Didn't play HS ball? torn-pec? yeah that sounds like immediate impact.

Absolute squandered opportunity to rebuild a team. Pissed away, flushed, ....

Brodeur
04-29-2007, 10:01 AM
What do you guys think of Siler at pick 6 of round 4? I thought he was projected a a possible 2 round pick?

I don't like Siler for the cover 2 at all. He is a really bad fit for the defense and just doesn't work. I'd much rather have DeOssie.

Xiomera
04-29-2007, 10:06 AM
6-5 4.83 as a cover-2 end? wtf? Didn't play HS ball? torn-pec? yeah that sounds like immediate impact.

Absolute squandered opportunity to rebuild a team. Pissed away, flushed, ....

We dealt up for the wrong players!

Charles Johnson was on the board. He isn't a stud pass-rusher, but he is a guy that we could have put in there on running downs and replaced with Kalimba in passing situations. Would have been perfect.

Marcus McCauley? Anthony Waters? David Harris? I was furious when we let Harris fall that far without going to get him.

Mythos
04-29-2007, 10:11 AM
We dealt up for the wrong players!

Charles Johnson was on the board. He isn't a stud pass-rusher, but he is a guy that we could have put in there on running downs and replaced with Kalimba in passing situations. Would have been perfect.

Marcus McCauley? Anthony Waters? David Harris? I was furious when we let Harris fall that far without going to get him.

How do we not take Harris at 34? Durant at 43? Lehman better be running like the wind. If he is not 115%, a#$TJWERlkfweqsjl AAAAAAAAAHHHHHH

Xiomera
04-29-2007, 10:19 AM
I think this means we have to sign Al Wilson.

Scotty D
04-29-2007, 10:27 AM
AJ Davis. I was hoping for DeOssie, but this must mean that Alexander will stay at safety.

Xiomera
04-29-2007, 10:33 AM
AJ Davis. I was hoping for DeOssie, but this must mean that Alexander will stay at safety.

I was praying for DeOssie.

Damn it

Notredameleo
04-29-2007, 10:41 AM
Maybe he will still be there in the fifth? Also, do we have 3 fifths and a seventh left???

Mythos
04-29-2007, 10:45 AM
I wanted Josh Wilson as our nickel corner. How about moving Bryant to nickel corner and getting a cover-2 safety.

Mythos
04-29-2007, 10:59 AM
I think this means we have to sign Al Wilson.

This has to be right, but what if he fails his physical?

Mythos
04-29-2007, 11:10 AM
I think we just moved up and grabbed Manny Ramirez. This is about the only move that makes sense to me, unless Alexander really is projected as a safety. But then the guy only has 1yr exp at the position. Is he gonna be ready to start this year?

detroit4life
04-29-2007, 11:31 AM
good move in ramirez althoigh tanard jackson was there.


look guys the fact is Marinelli and Martz know a lot more about these guys than we do. I like the stanton pick and i know that if Martz likes him we should have faith in that pick. I am confused on the Alma francis and Alexander pick but i have faith that marinelli sees somthing in these guys that made him take them over the other guys on the board. Marinelli called Francis a younger Redding. Overall im a little disapointed in our later picks but i am going to refuse to get pissed until we see what these guys can do sine i highly doubt we have much knowledge of either Alexander or Alma Francis so why not wait until we actually see what they can do

Scotty D
04-29-2007, 12:47 PM
Any guesses for the next pick. Siler maybe Crosby as a value pick. I really have no idea anymore.

familyguy555
04-29-2007, 12:57 PM
Johnny Baldwin? Kind of wanted Crosby.

TwO WoRdS ThE LiOnS
04-29-2007, 01:08 PM
I think this means we have to sign Al Wilson.

Since we passed on Harris and Durant we better be on the radar to sign Wilson. HoLLa baCk

Beer-man
04-29-2007, 01:08 PM
Who the hell is Johnny Baldwin? I can't find any info on him. Is he another long lost Baldwin brother? Nice pick Lions brass, you could have gotten this guy as a free agent. What stupid move will they make next? Unbelieveable!!!!

Beer-man
04-29-2007, 01:25 PM
OK found some info on Mr. Baldwin. Looks like another project.

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=56246

Notredameleo
04-29-2007, 01:25 PM
According to Mayock, Baldwin is just like Timmons except for the fact that he went to a smaller school.

TacticaLion
04-29-2007, 01:37 PM
My take:

Keeping CJ, although I wanted defense, is actually a great move. Yes, yes, yes... I wanted Willis... but CJ, RWilliams and MFurrey is an incredible WR group. Add KJones, Dell and Buckett to the mix at RB (and the "Mutilator" and Foster at OLine) and our offense is definately in the right direction. They really wanted Stanton... and I'm glad they traded down to draft him. He didn't have a supporting cast at MSU and played against good teams, but still showed strength and poise (and great ability). Who better to show him the game than Kitna... and who better to teach him than Martz.

So... the first two picks were great.

Trading up for Ikaika Alama-bama-jama-the-SLAMMA-Francis just shows how high Marinelli was on him. Yes, he's a project, but he's got great potential... and Marinelli is known for developing DLinemen. Charles Johnson AND Dan Bazuin were still on the board... which says a lot.

Gerald Alexander was a big suprise. It was rumored that, although he was a reach, he was climbing draft boards. Either way, he was taken for a reason.

We know what we hear/read... they know what they see. They traded back up to secure these players... let them show why.

Ikaika Alama-Francis
Has a terrific motor and is great in pursuit...Dedicated and a hard worker with top intangibles...

Gerald Alexander
Great motor...Is versatile with extensive experience at multiple positions...He enjoys the game...A team leader.

At least we're building the franchise the right way. How much help will Pacman provide the Titans this year? Chris Henry for the Bengals? A player can't contribute if he can't get on the field.

I'd rather our team move around and target specific, high-motor and high-character players than stay put and draft whoever happens to be there.

WMD
04-29-2007, 01:42 PM
We got my favorite Guard in the draft, Manuel Ramirez! Good times. He's a beast, I hope he gets a shot.

Scotty D
04-29-2007, 01:42 PM
Nasty hit by Gerald Alexander

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHsB485mKM

After thinking about of draft class for a while it is definitely growing on me. I really like the Manuel Ramirez pick. I just hope that Francis and Alexander can contribute this year.

TacticaLion
04-29-2007, 01:50 PM
Marinelli also said this about Alabama-Francis:

This guy can play inside and I think he can play outside, so he gives you position flexibility.

Hmm. Maybe... just maybe... is he thinking of (eventually) having Alabama-Francis and Redding as the starting DTs?

Does this hint that Rogers might be gone within the next few years?

Just throwing this out there.

Bootland27
04-29-2007, 02:11 PM
Rogers isn't goin anywhere anytime soon. Marinelli likes him and he was saying nothing but good things about him last week. I bet they took francis as redding's replacement since he was franchised.

WMD
04-29-2007, 02:30 PM
I'm all for trading Redding rather than letting him walk.. I've read that there have been offers, but the Lions said they weren't trading him. Eh, I'm hoping he doesn't turn out to be one of the many "Contract Year" hard workers... but it's possible.

And Johnny Baldwin has good numbers..

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/profile.php?pyid=56246

A 6-foot-1, 232-pounder, Baldwin put up impressive numbers in front of representatives from the Carolina Panthers, Indianapolis Colts, Jacksonville Jaguars, Kansas City Chiefs, Miami Dolphins, Minnesota Vikings, New Orleans Saints, New York Giants, Oakland Raiders, Seattle Seahawks and Tennessee Titans. Baldwin ran the 40-yard dash in 4.59 seconds, had a 38-inch vertical, 10-4 broad jump and bench-pressed 225 pounds 28 times.

Scotty D
04-29-2007, 02:33 PM
Yeah he will replace Redding if he replaces anyone. But I would like to see Francis, White, Rogers, Redding together for the next 5 years.

WMD
04-29-2007, 02:51 PM
And I think we should pencil in AJ Davis as our return man, if we dump Eddie Drummond.

detroit4life
04-29-2007, 03:08 PM
id still rather moses or johnson

Notredameleo
04-29-2007, 03:11 PM
Chances Ramirez starts at guard opposite the "Mutilator"?

detroit4life
04-29-2007, 03:15 PM
only if woody gets cut but i dont see it mayb next year when the mutilator is gone since i think he is only on a 1 year contract

WMD
04-29-2007, 03:27 PM
Chances Ramirez starts at guard opposite the "Mutilator"?

Not good, unless there's an injury or two.. our O-Line is pretty set.. even if Damien Woody gets cut, Zach Piller is going to fill in for him. I hope Ramirez gets a shot though.

jeweeee
04-29-2007, 03:31 PM
just 365 more days till the Lions take a WR with there first pick next year

Beer-man
04-29-2007, 03:38 PM
I believe the Mutilator signed a 3 year deal.

jbombul
04-29-2007, 03:54 PM
if siler is available as the last pick in the draft, i believe we need to take him

detroit4life
04-29-2007, 04:40 PM
if siler is available as the last pick in the draft, i believe we need to take him

i think he just got picked i was hopin for him

supermario86
04-29-2007, 05:08 PM
Carolina NFC Champs next year watch

supermario86
04-29-2007, 05:09 PM
Plus Buffalo got amazingly better in the Draft

asmitty45
04-29-2007, 05:10 PM
I love the Lions draft, i hope we take Reggie Ball as Mr. Irrelevant it would be so appropriate

WMD
04-29-2007, 05:39 PM
Mr. Irrelevant is Ramzee Robinson... a.k.a. "Hood Doc"..

According to his Wikipedia page::
Robinson was a member of Atlanta-based rapper T.I.'s "Pimp Squad Clique," or P$C before playing at Alabama. He can be heard rapping on several earlier PSC albums under the name "Hood Doc."

Notredameleo
04-29-2007, 06:15 PM
Mr. Irrelevant is a rapper too. Sweet, he can drop a free style on the receivers to confuse them.

detroit4life
04-29-2007, 06:18 PM
Minnesota added some great talent its disapointing they really had a great draft.


The 2 best players in this draft ended up in this conference with CJ and AD

TwO WoRdS ThE LiOnS
04-30-2007, 01:56 AM
Nasty hit by Gerald Alexander

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RqHsB485mKM

After thinking about of draft class for a while it is definitely growing on me. I really like the Manuel Ramirez pick. I just hope that Francis and Alexander can contribute this year.


I saw the hit on youtube and GAT DAMN! Maybe he can compete w/ Bullocks or even Kennedy? HoLLa baCk

P-L
04-30-2007, 09:47 AM
So what are your guys' thoughts on the draft now that it is complete? I'm kind of in the middle on our draft. I didn't think we did as good as we could've, but I don't believe that is was a complete disaster.

Calvin Johnson - Like a lot of other Lions fans, I didn't want Gaines Adams. I'm not thrilled with the pick of Johnson, but I don't hate it either. Our receiving corps will be locked up for the next few years at least and hopefully it will finally become a top five trio in the league, something it was supposed to be two years ago. At worst I see Calvin being an average starter who will take a lot of pressure off of Roy Williams and free him up to go one-on-on more often.

Drew Stanton - I don't hate this pick as much as I thought I would. Despite being a Michigan fan, I've followed Stanton and Michigan State heavily for the last few years. Stanton has very questionable decsion making and there is some durability concerns there. However, he still possesses great tools and with the right coaching could develop into a starting caliber QB in the NFL. I'm weary of the pick right now, but it could turn out better than I expected.

Ikaika Alma-Francis - I'm not too sure I like this pick, but I want to give Marinelli the benefit of the doubt here. Alma-Francis played DE in college, but a lot of people think that with his size, he could play DT. He has all of the tools of a 1st Round pick, he is just very raw and needs some good coaching. He isn't the best pass rusher out there, but I could see him lose 5-10 lbs and stay at DE. I don't really like the pick, but I think Marinelli saw something in this kid that I am not seeing right now.

Gerald Alexander - When I first saw this I couldn't believe it. I mean, I thought this guys was a late day two pick-up at best. But I became much more comfortable with it and am actually starting to really like it the more I read up on him. Alexander is a guy who saw his stock soar in the few weeks leading up to the draft. He played CB his first three seasons at Boise State until he eventually moved to safety last year. He's good in coverage and can hit hard. He needs to become a better tackler, because he seems like he always tries to hit people. However, he is good against both the run and the pass. He may have not been my ideal safety going into the draft, but he's the type of safety I thought the Lions need.

A.J. Davis - Davis is a guy who has a lot of potential, but hasn't yet lived up to it. If he's the guy I'm thinking of, he was rated highly coming out of High School, he just never put it fully together. He's probably only a nickle or dime back, but he could get better with the right coaching.

Manuel Ramirez - He's probably the best run blocking guard in the draft. However, his lack of pass protection skills made him drop to the 4th Round. I really like the selection a lot. Ramirez is ridiculously strong and has the ability to overpower defenders on running plays. I don't know how much playing time he will get, but he could make an instant impact in the running game.

Ramzee Robinson - Probably a special teams player if he ends up making the team. He was very good on kick coverage at Alabama and has the ability to return kicks and punts. All 7th Round selections are long shots to make the team, but I think he could just as a special teamer / kick return guy.

Overall, I give the Lions a B-. I liked most of the selections, I just didn't feel that they addresses some of their more important needs. I would've liked to see ILB addressed higher than the 5th Round and would've prefered a pass rushing DE over Alma Francis. I think the Lions did a fairly good job in the draft, but it could've been better.

detroit4life
04-30-2007, 12:54 PM
what about the LB we took u forgot him i dont know much about him

woodnick
04-30-2007, 01:54 PM
I think this draft could be good, but I'm not sold on it yet. The Lions seem like they have the John L Smith attitude of not going after the BPA, but wanting lesser known players with lesser potential and trying to coach them up and maximizing their abilities. Not many teams can succeed with this approach.

Addict
04-30-2007, 02:36 PM
I think this draft could be good, but I'm not sold on it yet. The Lions seem like they have the John L Smith attitude of not going after the BPA, but wanting lesser known players with lesser potential and trying to coach them up and maximizing their abilities. Not many teams can succeed with this approach.

well at least we'll get up to or near par, after that we can start infusing some risks, I like the character approach. At least they'll just embarass us with poor play rather than off the field issues.