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Hurricane Ditka
04-27-2007, 10:37 PM
Keep all draft day discussion in this thread. Don't start threads for every little thing that happens, or they'll be closed. You guys are usually pretty good about these, but just keep the majority of draft day discussion in this thread.

Smokey Joe
04-27-2007, 10:40 PM
aye aye captain...

I can't tell who anyone is without their sigs for this heavenly weekend.

Bears_Fan
04-27-2007, 11:29 PM
I have to work tomorrow. How long before the Bears first pick - five hours?

bearsfan_51
04-27-2007, 11:33 PM
aye aye captain...

I can't tell who anyone is without their sigs for this heavenly weekend.

I'm bearsfan_51, I invented the Bears.

TitleTown088
04-28-2007, 01:02 AM
I'm bearsfan_51, I invented the Bears.
The only you invented is the extra prong on the double kingdong sex toy with extra vibrating ball bearings.

Smokey Joe
04-28-2007, 01:38 AM
And a damn good invention it was!

pellepelle_10
04-28-2007, 05:06 AM
I need to get some sleep..I'm getting giddy..lol

bearsfan_51
04-28-2007, 11:38 AM
Smart move by the Lions drafting Calvin Johnson. Sure it magnifies the terrible picks they made with Rogers and Mike Williams, but he was by far the best player.


It's also good for us, as I'm all but convinced some team will want to trade into the late 1st to leapfrog Detroit for the 3rd QB. Hopefully Quinn doesn't fall to Miami, as I think they could be that team.

Bears_Fan
04-28-2007, 12:39 PM
I am surprised at the pick by the Vikings.

bearsfan_51
04-28-2007, 12:55 PM
We need to trade up with Buffalo to get Brady Quinn. Period.

VoteLynnSwan
04-28-2007, 01:11 PM
yea... that's kinda what i was thinking... Quinn has fallen way too far, at this point, it would be tremendous value for Quinn... as much as i really don't like him. Still can't believe the Dolphins passed on him.

bearsfan_51
04-28-2007, 01:14 PM
I really honestly don't know if it would be the smartest move. If they like Grossman, and apparently they do, then trading a top pick and a probowler for a guy you may not deem much of an upgrade probably doesn't make sense.


I just think it would be really exciting.:)

VoteLynnSwan
04-28-2007, 01:37 PM
yea i know, but if they liked grossman that much then they'd already have resigned him. It doesn't hurt to have two top quarterbacks... look at the Falcons, they were able to trade Schaub and move up, extra ammo can never hurt.

Smokey Joe
04-28-2007, 01:39 PM
Quinn's only hope is for Jacksonville now. And that is up in the air whether or not they're gonna take him or stick with Leftwich/Gerard.

Smokey Joe
04-28-2007, 01:43 PM
Cincinnati - no, Tenessee - no, Giants - no, Broncos - no, Cowboys - no, Chiefs - probably not, Pats - no, Jets - maybe (future replacement for Pennington?), Eagles - maybe, Saints - no, Ravens - yes, Chargers - no, Bears - yes, Colts - no

I think we could see a trade up by either the Browns or Lions to get Brady Quinn in the 17-25 range.

bearsfan_51
04-28-2007, 03:03 PM
These picks are falling pretty well for us, especially the Giants not taking Poz or Staley.

With 9 picks left guys that we would likely have an interest are:

-Quinn
-Olsen
-Bowe
-Meachem
-Staley
-Poz
-Beason
-Merriweather (the only one I wouldn't like)
-Grubs
-Kalil
-D.Jarrett
-S.Rice
-Blaylock

I would be happy with any of these.

Hopefully Anthony Spencer and Chris Houston go before us, nas those are two players we probably would not have an interest in.

bearsfan_51
04-28-2007, 03:04 PM
Forgot Alan Branch..though I'm not sure we would want him.

Bears_Fan
04-28-2007, 04:31 PM
You guys think the Pats take Olsen?

Bears_Fan
04-28-2007, 04:33 PM
Or they could trade down with SF?

pellepelle_10
04-28-2007, 04:49 PM
Or they could trade down with SF?

Paul Poz better be this draft pick. Thats all I have to say.

bearsfan_51
04-28-2007, 04:54 PM
Unless we completely plan on trading Briggs, Olsen makes much more sense than Poz. I wouldn't dislike Poz, but there are a lot of options here, and I wouldn't be suprised to see that next group of WR come off if they like one, or an offensive lineman like Kalil, Ugoh, or Sears.

Hell I wouldn't be suprised if it was Alan Branch. He would definately help our run defense.

Bears_Fan
04-28-2007, 04:54 PM
We should take Poz if SD does not.

pellepelle_10
04-28-2007, 05:10 PM
Or they could trade down with SF?

Paul Poz better be this draft pick. Thats all I have to say.

Bears_Fan
04-28-2007, 05:24 PM
I am ok with Olsen. It seems to be pretty good value. An offensive weapon, and an addition that we don't have on the team.

Smokey Joe
04-28-2007, 05:58 PM
51... I should have never doubted you. Jerry Angelo is god.

sweetness34
04-28-2007, 05:59 PM
OMG OMG OMG JA just owned SD in that trade. Our 2nd for their 2nd, their 3rd, their 5th, and their 3rd next year. Are you kidding me? We just ass raped SD on that trade.

Angelo is god!

DaBears0530
04-28-2007, 06:17 PM
who do you guys think they'll pick now ???

Smokey Joe
04-28-2007, 06:17 PM
In the TJ trade with the Jets, the point differential between pick 37 and pick 63 was worth 254 points, equivalant to about a top 5 3rd round pick. So, for those of you who don't understad, that was practically like trading TJ for an early third, and then trading that pick with our 2nd for an early 2nd. Pretty good value if you ask me.

In the trade down, we got 561.2 points from the Chargers. The 37th pick is worth 530 points. (figuring that the late 3rd round pick next year would be worth around 125). So, if my math is correct, we got 31.2 points of value.

So, we did basically trade TJ for the later. So, in retrospect, we traded Thomas Jones and our second rounder and moved up 1 spot in the second round, added an additional 3rd round pick (94) as well as an additional 5th round pick (158), and a 08 3rd round draft pick (which will likely be late). I'll take that everytime.

bearsfan_51
04-28-2007, 06:22 PM
This is turning out to be a great draft so far. The trade down was a gem as well, picking up an extra first day pick this year and next.

At #62 I'm hoping that some of those 2nd tier recievers are available, someone like Rice, Hill, or Smith (all wishful thinking probably), the kid from East Carolina would be fine too.

Or if Pittman or Kenny Irons is there I'd be happy as well.

VoteLynnSwan
04-28-2007, 08:32 PM
not liking this pick... Bazuin is a player that i like, but i don't understand why we needed to use a 2nd round pick on a 4th DE...

sweetness34
04-28-2007, 08:35 PM
not liking this pick... Bazuin is a player that i like, but i don't understand why we needed to use a 2nd round pick on a 4th DE...

Eh, it was a reach of some sorts but I'm done doubting JA. He knows what he's doing and he knows what he saw in Bazuin.

Smokey Joe
04-28-2007, 09:03 PM
I like Bazuin. This also means that either Brown, Wale, or Idonije is going to be on their way out of town soon.

DaBears9654
04-28-2007, 09:51 PM
Since Bears draft talk is supposed to be restricted to this thread, I figured it's the best place to say the following. If the Bears were going to make me 2/4 on positional draft predictions (explanation below), Greg Olsen isn't a bad way to do it, esp. with the fact that TE is positively our thinnest position. Safety, I guess, is #2. The selection of a defensive end -- a position we're already 3 deep at with Brown, the Prince, & Anderson -- in round 2 does leave me scratching my head.

explanation of positional prediction history
In 2002, I was insistent the Bears wouldn't go d-line in round 1. I was right, as the went with BC offensive tackle Marc Colombo

In 2003, I wasn't nearly as certain the Bears wouldn't go d-line in the first, but if they did, I thought it would be an end. Once again, I was proven correct, as, in the first of 2 round 1 draft picks they ended up with, they took Penn St. DE Michael Haynes.

In 2004 and 2005, I wasn't sure what JA would do b/c he was throwing out smoke screen after smoke screen.

Last year, I thought they'd go CB or TE in round 1, but Angelo traded out of the first and didn't touch the tight end position.

This year, as I said 1ce on here, I thought the Bears would go o-line, but, for the 2nd year in a row, I was proven wrong. I wasn't that far off, though.

Smokey Joe
04-28-2007, 10:17 PM
WTF? These were two horrible picks. Wolfe? Why don't you just draft my little sister? How do you pick Wolfe over Pittman, Bush, or Jackson? Afraid they might become too good and demand too much money? And don't we already have about 10 players exactly like Okwo?

Smokey Joe
04-28-2007, 10:23 PM
Well, I overreacted. With the pickup of Okwo, we have upgraded on Leon Joe. And with Garrett Wolfe, we will be able to watch history when a man the size of my leg gets broken in half by NFL defenders.

bearsfan_51
04-28-2007, 10:36 PM
Okwo isn't a bad pick IMO. Although you are right in that he's similar to Jamar Williams (though I like Okwo better), but that's kind of the point of the Tampa 2, stockpile a bunch of small interchangeable guys you don't have to pay much.

Wolfe is puzzling, but probably not as insane as you think. I had Wolfe pegged as a 4th round pick and his stock was reportedly rising. The Bears FO will likely get beat up a bit for the pick, and with Pittman on the board deservedly so, but I think he can be productive as a change of pace type and contribute on special teams. Still puzzling with Pittman on the board though.

The Bazuin pick is ok. They were kinda stuck in the late 2nd, as there wasn't a whole lot of value. I was thinking Pittman or Beekman but neither of them even went in the 3rd round so shows what I know. Jason Hill would have been a nice pick, but is he any better than Mark Bradley? I personally don't think so.

This draft really comes down to Greg Olsen. If he's even a poor man's Kellen Winslow and adds a new dimension to our offense it was a success. If he's not then it won't matter. Everyone else appears to be a depth player, although I agree that Bazuin probably pushes someone out, likely Idonije.

I think Brown may be moved full-time to DT. I fully expect Idonije to play DT full-time if he's not cut, that's for sure.

evershot
04-28-2007, 10:48 PM
The First day was a very unusual draft for Jerry Angelo. I'm not sure how to look at this draft so far. If I had too some up the first day in one word it would be "intangibles" because after Olsen it seems that Angelo was drafting on intangibles and passed on players with the "measurables"

Smokey Joe
04-28-2007, 10:51 PM
Oh, I like the Bazuin and Olsen picks. Both were good picks. And I can understand the Okwo pick even. Maybe the org. felt Jamar wasn't the guy to replace Briggs, and that Okwo was. Our LB drafted always seem to contribute in some way. I just don't understand why you pass on such good value with Pittman, Bush, and Jackson still on the board and take Wolfe. What if Benson gets injured? We would be stuck with the worst running back duo in the league with Wolfe and Peterson. I think it would have been smart to bring in someone who could be a change of pace back, but could also possibly handle the load if needed. I wouldn't trust Wolfe with 5 carries a game without getting absolutely killed. You can give me all the Dunn comparisons you want, but Dunn is built, Wolfe is frial and tiny. He might be good as a change of pace guy, but he isn't the type you take first day, IMO.

sweetness34
04-28-2007, 10:53 PM
I personally liked our first day. Sure it's not what a lot of people wanted but Olsen was a very good pick (and yes I changed my mind on him about 2 weeks ago).

Bazuin isn't a flashy name but he'll come in and compete for playing time on the DL. Again JA is creating competition there with a high motor guy. Plus you can't ignore his production. And I've heard that we might move him to OLB, so keep an eye on that.

I think the Wolfe pick is pretty cool. Local boy who just destroyed teams his senior season. Yea, yea I know about his size, but I think he can be effective as a 3rd down back. I guess JA literally wanted a change of pace guy from Benson and AP, haha. I like 51 was hearing that he was moving up on teams' boards, which maybe JA got wind of and didn't want to take a chance on waiting until the end of the 4th to pick him.

Okwo from what I read is a very underrated player. Doesn't have the size but he's very athletic and he's pretty fast. Perfect for the Cover 2. Again, creates some competition behind Briggs if he's gone next season.

Like I've said before. I'm done debating JA on this. He knows who he's getting and what he's doing. He's watch these guys extensively and he's not going in blind here. I know a lot of us bitched about last year and look how it turned out. A 16 game starter, an incredible returner, a sack artist, and it looked like we were going to have a very solid special teams player and a guy who was going to be in the DT mix. JA doesn't go for a lot of flashy names in the middle rounds, he gets guys who fit the system and he creates competition.

I am surprised though that we didn't grab an OL on day one. Hopefully we get one on day two. Maybe Free or Barbre.

bearfan
04-28-2007, 11:02 PM
I didnt mind the 1st round pick, Olson was good value there for us. Should be a big improvement for the offense, but I am dissapointed that we didnt land Jarrett OR Rice when we had the chance. Bauzin? Never heard of the guy, but I trust JA even though we probably could have had someone better there. The Wolfe pick pisses me off, ok, maybe not, but I would much rather have had someone like Pittman, or the guy from Marshall, HECK, I would have rather had Darius Walker, but again JA knows best. This Okwo pick puzzles me, with Rufus Alexander, and Earl Everett still on the board. Why not take guys from teams with good histories. JA better know what he was doing in that 3rd round.

Hopes for tomorrow:
Dallas Baker
Rhema McKnight

anyone else

bearsfan_51
04-28-2007, 11:02 PM
No I agree Smokey, the Wolfe pick was not a very good pick all things considered. However, if they really feel like Peterson is a competent 2nd and all they wanted from a 3rd down back was pass catching and special teams they could have done a lot worse.

Was Jackson still on the board? For some reason I thought someone took him.

Bush makes no sense. None. I just don't understand how people can look at our roster and advocate Bush. It would be as if we spent another pick on Rex Grossman. Why?

I really liked Pittman though. Not as a high 2nd, but certainly as a late 3rd. That being said, we weren't the only team to pass on him, and usually when a player drops past a whole round it doesn't speak well for his pro prospects (see Gabe Watson).

VoteLynnSwan
04-28-2007, 11:02 PM
the concern that i had with picking Olsen is because we would have to add quite a bit to the offense to tailor to his skills... I didn't believe that Turner and Lovie would be willing to change the offense in such a way, however by picking Olsen there, it would appear that they ARE willing to do so.

Smokey Joe
04-28-2007, 11:10 PM
Well, I've warmed up to these picks a bit... hopefully we can get a CB and a Safety tommorow.

bearsfan_51
04-28-2007, 11:20 PM
the concern that i had with picking Olsen is because we would have to add quite a bit to the offense to tailor to his skills... I didn't believe that Turner and Lovie would be willing to change the offense in such a way, however by picking Olsen there, it would appear that they ARE willing to do so.

To an extent, but Olsen's best route is also the best route suited to Grossman's specialty, the seam route. What I'm hoping happens, and I think this is realistic, is the option of a big, tall, fast tight end running over the middle will allow Grossman an outlet whenever he dancing around there like a jackass. Have him drop back 5 steps and drop the ball over the head of the linebackers. This will require safties to play up more, increasing the likelyhood that Berrian will burn them over the top. The more I think about the Olsen pick the more I like it. It really covers up what I consider to be a below-average rest of the day.

bearsfan_51
04-28-2007, 11:22 PM
Well, I've warmed up to these picks a bit... hopefully we can get a CB and a Safety tommorow.

Ew no...give me one or the other, we don't need both. Give me at least one offensive lineman and a wide reciever.

bearsfan_51
04-28-2007, 11:24 PM
By the way, the argument about coming from good programs is puzzling to say the least. Stanford isn't Texas but it isn't Wayne State either. He was 1st team Pac-10 and played against top competition. The fact that he was the best player on a bad defense says more to me than being just another guy at Florida.

sweetness34
04-28-2007, 11:40 PM
Doug Free and Allen Barbre come to mind. I wouldn't mind trading up for Free. As I think he'd be a steal in the 4th talent wise. I love Barbre's athleticism and I think he's got some upside. And yea Dallas Baker wouldn't be bad. I was thinking we might go after Rufus but we drafted Okwo so I think that's a bit of a longshot. We need our Okie player though, I wonder who it's going to be.

Kinda pissed that Marten was chosen but oh well. Also I read that Gonzo was JA's pick at #37, so when Indy picked him Angelo traded out. I know myself, HD, Smokey and VLS all hated getting Gonzo because we figured we needed a big physical reciever, but I guess the staff was looking for a playmaking slot reciever ala Gonzo or Smith, who knew...

I'll agree with 51 though, without Olsen it's an average first day on paper. But I won't hold judgement until I see them play. I love Bazuin though as I think he'll get some PT next year and push Wale and AB.

85ers
04-28-2007, 11:44 PM
Was Jackson still on the board? For some reason I thought someone took him.


Green Bay took him in the 2nd round.

bearsfan_51
04-28-2007, 11:51 PM
Gonzo at #37 doesn't suprise me at all. My last prediction pre-draft was Grubbs at #31 and Gonzo at #37.

princefielder28
04-28-2007, 11:52 PM
Green Bay took him in the 2nd round.

Yes we did, you want him????

bearsfan_51
04-28-2007, 11:56 PM
Yes we did, you want him????We liked him in the late 3rd, not so much late 2nd. Still better than Wolfe though.

Bearsfan123
04-29-2007, 12:48 AM
i say this is a very bad draft.

Olsen- Help the offense blah blah blah. He cant block, and people seem to keep forgetting we are a run-first team. So what hes supposed to only play on for sure passing downs? a waste.

Bazuin- Since when did we need another DE? We had a solid rotation with our 3-4 guys and now we either have to get rid of one, or give another roster spot to a DE. Bad pick but good guy.

Wolfe-.......hes frickin 180 lbs and has as much pro potential as a homeless druggy. Worst pick by far.

Okwo- Who? I never heard of him and although that doesnt make him bad it just irritates me that we didnt grab a more highly thought of guy. Semi-Bad to possibly mediocre pick.

My grade- D- JA must have decided to take off his Jesus suit today and unfortuneatly we still have Lance Pansy Briggs on the team.

bearsfan_51
04-29-2007, 12:51 AM
Just becuase you don't know much about prosepcts doesn't mean it's anyone else's fault. Your comments speak for themselves.

Smokey Joe
04-29-2007, 12:53 AM
oh wow... I completely missed Jackson getting drafted. I thought he was still there.

The Wolfe pick doesn't seem as bad anymore actually. But Pittman would have been much better.

Bearsfan123
04-29-2007, 01:06 AM
Just becuase you don't know much about prosepcts doesn't mean it's anyone else's fault. Your comments speak for themselves.

and who exactly didnt i know about? Olsen is known as a guy who is a bad blocker. Bazuin I like but we have no need for a 5th DE. Wolfe is tiny and really has no pro potential. Okwo is the only one you got me on. I dont know anything about him, but like i said in my first post, Im just a little irritated JA didnt go with a more highly touted prospect.

bearsfan_51
04-29-2007, 01:26 AM
and who exactly didnt i know about? Olsen is known as a guy who is a bad blocker. Bazuin I like but we have no need for a 5th DE. Wolfe is tiny and really has no pro potential. Okwo is the only one you got me on. I dont know anything about him, but like i said in my first post, Im just a little irritated JA didnt go with a more highly touted prospect.

Touted by whom? What prospect? Are you taking into account system and how that fits?

Anyone can just take the top player on a list, look at Matt Millen.

Pro-bowl TE's in today's game aren't good blockers. They are faster and more fluid. Kellen Winslow isn't a great blocker, you wouldn't take him on this team? Get real. He's big, he's fast, he runs good routes and has tremendous hands.

Who is our 4th DE? Bazuin will play from day 1. It's obviously not the biggest need but he'll contribute, and I think the next shoe will probably fall sometime during training camp. We're only one injury away from having a huge need at pass rush.

To say that Wolfe has no pro potential is dumb. Really dumb. He's not a #1 starter, but as a 3rd down back, special teams guy, and as a catcher out of the backfield he's solid. I don't love the pick, but he's a good change of pace from Benson.

You're just going off of baseless ranking systems that don't take into account any specificity.

dabears10
04-29-2007, 01:26 AM
Let the picks sit. I remember this time last year being really angry about picking hester and D. Manning so high. It worked out well. So give it time, give it time.

VoteLynnSwan
04-29-2007, 01:57 AM
Let the picks sit. I remember this time last year being really angry about picking hester and D. Manning so high. It worked out well. So give it time, give it time.

this is exactly how i feel... my gut feeling tells me that i should hate this draft, but I'll trust Jerry Angelo this time and see how it works out.

SFbear
04-29-2007, 02:12 AM
Olsen - surprised we went with a more pass oriented TE but in Lovie's press conference he said he thought Olsen was a good blocker and that for today's tight ends you look for someone who can stretch the field. If that's what Turner is looking for in his offense then we definitely addressed it perfectly. I am happy we got a playmaker in the passing game but am worried Olsen was mostly combine hype.

Bazuin - is said to be purely be a value pick. Too much talent to pass on him. Also Ive read somewhere that the Bears have been shopping Alex Brown. High motor guy who forces turnovers and makes plays in the backfield, can't complain. I was positve we were going to go Quincy Black here but Tampa picked him up a few picks later.

Wolfe - Ugh...at the very least this guy will be fun to watch. That is until he gets tackled and broken in half. Kids got heart though. Plays tough for his size.

Okwo- typical tampa 2 linebacker. Could be a liability in the run game.

Haven't seen anything yet that shows Lovie is serious about shoring up our run D considering Boone and Scott(likely) are leaving. Could be worse if Briggs holds out.

pellepelle_10
04-29-2007, 03:25 AM
I will say I do like that Offensive Guard we drafted. LOL!!!

OhioState
04-29-2007, 06:36 AM
i don't like it right now but i don't doubt i will like it next january

Hurricane Ditka
04-29-2007, 08:08 AM
I will say I do like that Offensive Guard we drafted. LOL!!!
Value wasn't there. I'll be surprise if we don't go oline in the fourth.

evershot
04-29-2007, 08:27 AM
Value wasn't there. I'll be surprise if we don't go oline in the fourth.

The value was there at the 37th pick if they kept it. Justin Blalock was still available. If Angelo really wanted too he could have kept the 37th pick and take Blalock and no one would have faulted him because Blalock in the second would have been good value.

Hurricane Ditka
04-29-2007, 08:34 AM
The value was there at the 37th pick if they kept it. Justin Blalock was still available. If Angelo really wanted too he could have kept the 37th pick and take Blalock and no one would have faulted him because Blalock in the second would have been good value.The San Deigo trade was too good to pass up.

sweetness34
04-29-2007, 09:10 AM
The value was there at the 37th pick if they kept it. Justin Blalock was still available. If Angelo really wanted too he could have kept the 37th pick and take Blalock and no one would have faulted him because Blalock in the second would have been good value.

JA didn't want Blalock, he wanted Gonzo. Which is why he traded down. Obviously he didn't feel too good about Sears or Blalock, because if he did he would have stayed.

I thought our first day was very, very solid. And like 51 said, you can't just draft names. JA drafts guys who fit our system, and he did it again today.

And yes, we owned SD in that trade. And this gives us the ability to move up in the 4th if JA has someone he's targeting.

DaBears0530
04-29-2007, 09:21 AM
i actually like the Wolfe pick a lot, with the proper coaching he could be great. Also the bears have one of the best strength and conditioning coaches in the league so i look for him to get much bigger.

Smokey Joe
04-29-2007, 09:25 AM
Value wasn't there. I'll be surprise if we don't go oline in the fourth.
Oh yeah, I so called that JA wouldn't draft OL.

Smokey Joe
04-29-2007, 09:34 AM
I really don't see the need in trying to draft a "steal" OL second day anyway. Next year's class is going to have a lot of good limemen prospects. I really think Angelo will wait until next year to address the offensive line.

I am hoping for either John Wendling, Fred Bennett, or David Irons in the 4th. In the 5th, I think JA will go with Baker from Florida, and then maybe OL or CB or S depending on what we did in the 4th.

Both 7th round picks, I kinda don't care. JA usually doesn't go BPA in the 7th, but picks good developmental guys.

sweetness34
04-29-2007, 09:45 AM
I really don't see the need in trying to draft a "steal" OL second day anyway. Next year's class is going to have a lot of good limemen prospects. I really think Angelo will wait until next year to address the offensive line.

I am hoping for either John Wendling, Fred Bennett, or David Irons in the 4th. In the 5th, I think JA will go with Baker from Florida, and then maybe OL or CB or S depending on what we did in the 4th.

Both 7th round picks, I kinda don't care. JA usually doesn't go BPA in the 7th, but picks good developmental guys.

How about Smardzija in the 7th round? Yea I know he's with the Cubs but if that falls through, we have a 1st Round caliber WR in our hands. Hell it's worth a shot isn't it...

DaBears0530
04-29-2007, 09:45 AM
how about drafting Allen Barbre or Doug Free in the 4th?

Smokey Joe
04-29-2007, 09:47 AM
I don't care. Any 7th rounder we pick isn't going to make the team anyway. If we did draft Shark, if baseball doesn't work in lets say 3 years, he returns to the NFL, would we still own his rights?

bearsfan_51
04-29-2007, 10:41 AM
There is still some talent at the offensive line to be had. The Bears said that nearing the 31st pick they were expecting to get Olsen, Staley, or Grubbs, and that they would have stayed and taken one of those players in that order, so it's not like o-line wasn't a question. They were also considering Blaylock at 31, but wanted to pick up an extra third so that they could get Wolfe and Okwo who they both were targeting in the late 3rd (or at least more likely a runningback and a linebacker).

I like this draft, and don't see why everyone is so upset. Every pick makes sense for our scheme and for what we need. Bazuin is the only pick that doesn't fill an immediate need, but I think someone could get shifted to DT or that Alex Brown may actually be shipped out.

We're not picking with picks in the top of the round, so to expect to get elite prospects outside of round 1 is unrealistic.

Bearsfan123
04-29-2007, 10:57 AM
Touted by whom? What prospect? Are you taking into account system and how that fits?

Anyone can just take the top player on a list, look at Matt Millen.

Pro-bowl TE's in today's game aren't good blockers. They are faster and more fluid. Kellen Winslow isn't a great blocker, you wouldn't take him on this team? Get real. He's big, he's fast, he runs good routes and has tremendous hands.

Who is our 4th DE? Bazuin will play from day 1. It's obviously not the biggest need but he'll contribute, and I think the next shoe will probably fall sometime during training camp. We're only one injury away from having a huge need at pass rush.

To say that Wolfe has no pro potential is dumb. Really dumb. He's not a #1 starter, but as a 3rd down back, special teams guy, and as a catcher out of the backfield he's solid. I don't love the pick, but he's a good change of pace from Benson.

You're just going off of baseless ranking systems that don't take into account any specificity.


i apologize for not commenting back earlier i had to get ready for work. As to the highly touted remark, yes i was taking into account how he fits in the system the guy i had in mind was Rufus Alexander a guy who is said to be a perfect fit for the cover 2. Hes also from a program JA seems to like.

Your right pro-bowl tes arent the best blockers but most are solid. Gonzalez isnt terrible, Shockey gives good effort, the only one i can think of who would probably be bad is Antonio Gates. Tho ill admit i havent heard anything about his blocking. This guy is terrible. And we are not a pass first team, so im just disappointed in JA for doing what the media thought best instead of waiting and taking a guy who is more balanced and can help in other ways.

Our 4th DE is Israel Idonije. Hes not great but hes not terrible. Will Bazuin be an upgrade? yes. But now is Idonije strictly a DT? We now have a roster spot filled with a player who was not even a really big want, although a good value.

I think Wolfe will get killed by linebackers in this league. Hes rail thin and is not going to be able to pass block rush backers. Plus if Benson does go down we have to change the identity of our team because neither of our backup runningbacks are similar to our starter.

BF51 don't insult my intelligence, i read just as much as you do and I make my own conclusions. I wouldn't be on this site if I just went on "baseless ranking systems." So don't be so presumptuos.

bearsfan_51
04-29-2007, 11:33 AM
Lots of good possibilities for the next pick. A couple of good lineman went off the board (seeing Dallas take Free was unfortunate) but Beekman is still on the board if that's a player that interests them.

I would love Aundrae Allison. I can't believe so many teams are shying away from him just because of the small-school rep. Dude can fly. David Clowney is still around too.

John Wedling, Josh Gattis, or Kenny Scott would all be real nice value in the secondary as well.

Hell I'd take a late-round flyer on Troy Smith at this point too. He's already much better than Kyle Orton in my mind.

bearsfan_51
04-29-2007, 11:35 AM
I think the reason why Rufus is falling is the 4.81.

He was presumed to be a good fit for the cover 2, but with that speed it just wouldn't work. Tim Shaw or Earl Everett would have been an ok picks, but honestly Okwo was the best linebacker at the time. Read up on him, I think you'll be pleased.

bearsfan_51
04-29-2007, 11:43 AM
Yes!!! Beekman!! Excellent pick.

Smokey Joe
04-29-2007, 01:05 PM
I like that pick a lot as well. He really doesn't seem like a good fit to replace Brown in a year or two, but he seems like a good fit for our future RG, as he is a road grader. This makes Metcalf very expandable now.

Hurricane Ditka
04-29-2007, 01:19 PM
Oh yeah, I so called that JA wouldn't draft OL.
I just so called OL in the fourth. Value wasn't there early on. After Staley and Grubbs went off the board the value wasn't there at 31, the trade was better than just getting Blalock, but when the value was there with Beekman in the fourth.

Smokey Joe
04-29-2007, 01:39 PM
I would have preferred Wendling over Payne, but I like the Graham pick.

SFbear
04-29-2007, 01:39 PM
Looks like the DB picks were to recharge our Special Teams unit. Beekman in the fourth is awesome since he can also back up Kreutz. Maybe even compete with Garza for the starting position. Surprised we passed on Wendling and Rufus Alexander considering the value. They could have also contributed in special teams and had the potential for more.

VoteLynnSwan
04-29-2007, 02:07 PM
can't believe two kickers have gone ahead of Mason Crosby... that's surprising.

IBleedNavyandOrange
04-29-2007, 02:53 PM
Long time, no post.

I was really happy when the Bears were picking in Round 1... any three of the players who would be available (Grubbs, Olsen, Posluszny) would be good picks. They took Olsen, who was my hope-against-hope pick. I think other than Davis, Olsen is better than any of the TEs they might've picked last year, so this is a HUGE "Jerry Angelo knows what he's doing" pick. I wsa hoping that Tampa would do something stupid and trade for Briggs, and then the Bears could take Calvin Johnson early in Round 1, but I guess Tampa is no Detroit...

Round 2, it appeared to me that the guys JA wanted to take--Grubbs or Posluszny--came off the board (damn the Bills for trading up!), so JA traded down... smart move. But the DE pick (Bazuin) leaves me scratching my head. Don't we have 3 outstanding ends and a good back-up already? Maybe Ogunleye gets traded? If you're going to reach, why not Black from NM? LB seems a bigger need than DE.

Wolfe is a good pickup in Round 3, but isn't he a younger, faster, Adrian Peterson? Still, quality depth at RB is always welcome, so I'm happy with the pick.

Okwo in Round 3 was a bit of a surprise--he wasn't on my radar. Reading about him, he sounds good, and I always like the "plays faster than he times" tag. Briggs was the same way.

I think Beekman is a 4th-round steal, just like Vasher and Brown and other 4th-round JA steals. The knock on him is his height... well, he's a beast and Grossman isn't very tall, either, so who gives a rat's ass about height? Plus, guards don't need to be tall... they need to knock people down, and that's what Beekman does. Great pick.

The round 5 picks look decent... DBs with big upsides, from smaller schools. I like that formula. And, with Johnson and Worrell gone and Mike Brown an injury risk, depth at Safety is paramount.

I don't know where the round 6 pick went (thought I saw the Bears slotted for one earlier... did it go away by trade, or was that part of the Archuleta deal?), but in round 7, I'd like to see another OT developmental guy, and the fastest raw-talent WR on the board.

All in all, I think this is a solid, if unspectactular draft. I think Olsen and Beekman are the gems of the draft... but then, last year I thought Anderson was pretty much a useless pick, and Hester wasn't going to be anything super-special. So the guys I've downplayed (Bazuin, Wolfe) are probably going to end up being HUGE.

Hurricane Ditka
04-29-2007, 03:02 PM
I think Beekman will unseat Roberto Garza before all is said and done, and sooner rather than later. I think when the 2007 Draft is remembered the Bears, Beekman will be the centerpiece, I think once we slot him in at right guard he'll be there for quite awhile.

sweetness34
04-29-2007, 03:15 PM
Wow, nice 2nd day for JA so far. I was hoping for Baker with one of our 5th's but I'll take Payne and Graham. I read up a lot on these guys and I like them. Graham is great in zone, and I heard if he didn't get injured he was going to be a first day pick. Broke his leg I believe this year. Reminds me a lot of Vasher while reading about him. Payne I like too. Very versatile player, I hear he's got very good instincts. A very good athlete. Not guys on my radar but that's ok, I like the picks.

Oh and I loooovvveeee Beekman, awesome pick. I was holding my breath for him, actually I thought we'd go somewhere else on the line so it was great to see them take this kid. Fits perfectly to what we want our OG's to do. Still a bit raw in pass blocking but that can be improved.

I'll still hope for Baker if he's there in the 7th, or maybe McKnight....Also, can't believe Patrick hasn't been taken. Or how about another OL prospect, preferably an OT.

And IBNO, I think the Bears thought Black was going to be there in the 3rd, I really do. And the more I read about Bazuin the more I like him. Sure it may have been a reach but it's still a solid pick IMO. And yes, we lost hte 6th rounder for Archuleta.

bearsfan_51
04-29-2007, 03:16 PM
Hahaha...this draft is the Greg Olsen and everyone else draft. Beekman is a nice pick but come on...nobody remembers a draft because of a guard picked in the 4th round.

By the way, the secondary picks are fine, they both are good cover 2 guys.

A couple of notes on that though

-Hester is going to play offense or nothing at all. We're stocked at depth in the secondary next year.

-Bye bye Dante Wesley. He was signed to play special teams and did a pretty lousy job of that. Probably spells the end for Brandon McGowan as well. (This all pending injuries of course)

evershot
04-29-2007, 03:23 PM
This draft is shaping up to be the draft of the small school prospects. 4 small school prospects so far and most likely more in the 7th round.

Hurricane Ditka
04-29-2007, 03:32 PM
Wow, Ben Patrick fell pretty far. I think Wolfe is going to end up at least contributing this year, and these next two picks probably won't make the roster anyway, but I'd like to see another developmental O-line guy. As for Angelo's annual day 2 contributor, I think it's Beekman no question about it. I think we got 3 eventual starters out of this draft so far. (Olsen, Banzuin, and Beekman) at that's pretty good.

Hurricane Ditka
04-29-2007, 03:41 PM
When are numbers assigned? I wonder if Olsen will keep 82 or if the Bears will give him 89, which I'd like to see.

sweetness34
04-29-2007, 03:43 PM
Hahaha...this draft is the Greg Olsen and everyone else draft. Beekman is a nice pick but come on...nobody remembers a draft because of a guard picked in the 4th round.

By the way, the secondary picks are fine, they both are good cover 2 guys.

A couple of notes on that though

-Hester is going to play offense or nothing at all. We're stocked at depth in the secondary next year.

-Bye bye Dante Wesley. He was signed to play special teams and did a pretty lousy job of that. Probably spells the end for Brandon McGowan as well. (This all pending injuries of course)

I'd love to see Hester on offense. Line him up in the slot or in the backfield and make him a Reggie Bush type player. That and he could be a major decoy for defenses because you have to pay attention to him if he's on the field. Just get the ball into his hands and let him work.

Just put him back on kicks and punts and give him the ball on offense. No more defense for Devin.

sweetness34
04-29-2007, 03:47 PM
Trumaine McBride huh....Good Cover 2 CB, man JA is loading up that secondary. That likely means Vasher or Tillman are gone next year.

Don't know much about him, so I'll try and read up. Sounds like a decent guy in the 7th.

bearfan
04-29-2007, 03:51 PM
McBride CB? I want BAKER OR MCKNIGHT in the 7th!

bearsfan_51
04-29-2007, 03:54 PM
McBride is a good 7th round pick. Not much to physically entice but he's a smart, hard worker, that has experience. He could make the team if a few people get hurt.

I'm suprised we didn't take a single wide reciever. Looks like if we keep 5 recievers it's going to be Mike Hass or Brandon Rideneau

sweetness34
04-29-2007, 04:04 PM
Well I think we're done with the secondary, don't ya think haha. I think it'll either be DT, OL, or WR for our last pick. I wouldn't mind seeing McKnight here but I actually would take Samardzija. Hell it's worth a shot. If the Cubs thing doesn't work out, he's still a stud WR prospect and he'd stay in the same city.

Smokey Joe
04-29-2007, 04:14 PM
McBride, eh. 7th round, what will ya do?

I really want Siler. Pick him up with our final pick if he is there. He might have that ACL concern, but it's not like he is gonna get paid much, and he could turn into a major steal.

sweetness34
04-29-2007, 04:44 PM
Sucks that Siler went a pick before us, oh well....got a developmental OT project in Brant. Anyone have any info on this guy?

bearfan
04-29-2007, 04:44 PM
how dissapointing...OL. JA needs to get a good UDFA at WR, maybe hopefully McKnight

bearsfan_51
04-29-2007, 04:45 PM
He's 6'7''....that's gotta count for something.

bearfan
04-29-2007, 04:53 PM
BIOGRAPHY: Four-year starter who saw action at tackle and guard. All-Conference selection the past two years.

POSITIVES: King-sized blocker who is best in a small area. Intelligent lineman who also shows a nasty streak and gets after blocks. Fights with his hands throughout the action, jolts opponents at the point of attack and keeps his feet moving.

NEGATIVES: Lacks flexibility and struggles to finish blocks. Lumbers about the field and lacks lateral blocking range.

ANALYSIS: A wide-bodied blocker who controls opponents once he gets his hands on them, Brant lacks the great upside but his enticing measurables will get him a long look in camp this summer.

PROJECTION: Undrafted Free Agent


-ESPN/Scout

Offensively the top senior is Aaron Brant, a huge offensive right tackle. Possessing size, strength and a nasty attitude, Brant easily controls opponents at the point of attack or engulfs defenders altogether. His size coupled with production the past three seasons will get Brant late round consideration.

Scout

VoteLynnSwan
04-29-2007, 04:54 PM
Well I think we're done with the secondary, don't ya think haha. I think it'll either be DT, OL, or WR for our last pick. I wouldn't mind seeing McKnight here but I actually would take Samardzija. Hell it's worth a shot. If the Cubs thing doesn't work out, he's still a stud WR prospect and he'd stay in the same city.

if you draft a player then you only hold his rights for one year. It's not forever like you seem to think.

Hurricane Ditka
04-29-2007, 05:06 PM
The Brant pick is interesting, you can't coach 6'7" 320, but if he can refine his skills he'll have a chance at making the roster.

Bears_Fan
04-29-2007, 05:14 PM
I would give this draft a B grade.

Olsen will give us another option to take pressure away from Rex. Everything else seems to be depth, with the exception of Beekman, who was just great value at a need spot. There were several times our DL did not get pressure on the opposing QB to explain Bazuin, special teams was replenished, and we have developmental/speculative guys at OT, RB, CB, and LB. It seems JA went with system guys over polished/value guys, but we are fortunate to be able to take that risk.

sweetness34
04-29-2007, 05:15 PM
if you draft a player then you only hold his rights for one year. It's not forever like you seem to think.

:(

Why'd you have to do that to me VLS? I was on a roll with that one and you shot it down.

Interesting 7th round pick in Brant. Maybe with some work he could develop into something. I like the fact that he's nasty and has a mean streak, that's pretty sweet right there!

And also, there was a reason why McKnight wasn't selected in this draft, so maybe they know something we don't. Hell, sign him as an undrafted F/A and see what he can do.

Bears_Fan
04-29-2007, 05:16 PM
If we had taken Dallas Baker with #221, I would vote for B+

bearfan
04-29-2007, 05:21 PM
If we had taken Dallas Baker with #221, I would vote for B+

I concur. I give this a B like said, and I am warming up to this Okwo guy, read his bio on the chicago bears website and you will see why. Bauzin, meh, but there was no real value picks there but I think Black could have been chosen there, and then maybe Pitcock from OSU the next round. Baker not getting picked really dissapoints me though

Smokey Joe
04-29-2007, 05:35 PM
Sucks that Siler went a pick before us, oh well....got a developmental OT project in Brant. Anyone have any info on this guy?

I know. If he can get back to 100% and get rid of all those injury concerns, the Chargers got one hell of a steal.

bearsfan_51
04-29-2007, 05:41 PM
I like this draft. It's what we needed. I could have used another playmaker on offense, but you can't do everything. Good draft. Good guys.

Best part to me is that there isn't a single player with character questions. We've been drifting too far to the right taking players with criminal records, glad to see this class is scratch free.

Bearsfan123
04-29-2007, 06:00 PM
I still am not a fan of the first day, but now that the draft is over they are all Bears so they have my full vote. I would have liked Wendling or some different picks but the draft to me is a solid C+ (the Beekman pick made me smile alot) We replenished special teams and brought in some interesting projects. and 51 you bring up a good point, not a single criminal in the bunch. ^_^


Now lets sign Darius Walker and Rhema McKnight to UFA contracts.

SFbear
04-29-2007, 06:08 PM
I like this draft. It's what we needed. I could have used another playmaker on offense, but you can't do everything. Good draft. Good guys.

Best part to me is that there isn't a single player with character questions. We've been drifting too far to the right taking players with criminal records, glad to see this class is scratch free.

This draft is full of guys with great intangibles that love football. Even down to Olsen. Was nice seeing how excited he was to be a Chicago Bear despite dropping half a round past where he was expected to go. I love how tough Garret Wolfe runs despite his measurables. Here's a great clip of him fighting off a tackler twice his size.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9s0qfxGlGQk

I also like how Wolfe had his biggest games against tougher competition.

Bears_Fan
04-29-2007, 06:22 PM
Best part to me is that there isn't a single player with character questions. We've been drifting too far to the right taking players with criminal records, glad to see this class is scratch free.

Very true.

Windy
04-29-2007, 06:45 PM
Chris Leak signed with the Bears.

bearsfan_51
04-29-2007, 06:53 PM
Chris Leak signed with the Bears.
Haha...awesome. I had a feeling he might. Hell the Bears drafted Craig Krenzel after he won the NC.


Come on Chris!! Beat out Kyle Orton!! You can do it!!

dabears10
04-29-2007, 07:02 PM
Link? (10 char.)

Smokey Joe
04-29-2007, 07:22 PM
I'd rather have had Zabranski, but Leak will do. Practice squad QB he will be.

SFbear
04-29-2007, 07:41 PM
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/blogs/content/shared-blogs/palmbeach/ufblog/entries/2007/04/29/chris_leak_to_chicago_bears.html

Link for the Chris Leak signing.

http://gatorsports.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070429/GATORS01/70429009

And another.

Freddy G
04-29-2007, 07:43 PM
As an outsider, i really like the Bazuin pick.

It may have been a little high, but i highly doubt you will regret it. I am no cover 2 buff, but as far as i know he fits your scheme very well. I was sort of hoping the Browns would get him to play OLB, but we traded away all our picks. I aiken him very closely to Jared Allen, and maybe more with the talent that is going to be around him.

Terrific motor, tough, aggressive, quick, smart; he should turn out very well for you guys.

Bearsfan123
04-29-2007, 08:07 PM
where can i find out about Notre Dame players?

Philliez01
04-29-2007, 08:32 PM
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Round 2
Dan Bazuin is a stellar pass - rushing DE who really could be converted into a LB if the Bears ran a 3 - 4. I actually read on KFFL that they may shop Alex Brown after drafting Bazuin. He's not the biggest DE ever but I do like Bazuin as a DE and think that was a great move by CHI.

Round 3
Garrett Wolfe is pretty tiny at 5'7, 186 but I think if he can get a bit bigger he'll be a good backup RB to Benson. Not a huge fan of the pick, but he does have good speed (4.4s) and I know that he definitely has the accolades and vision to succeed. May have been earlier than people thought.

I do love the drafting of Michael Okwo. Some thought that he would last longer but Okwo can definitely knock you out at LB. I think he can push Hillenmayer for the starting job but if Briggs does hold out, you will see instant gratification for this pick.

Round 4
Josh Beekman was at one point, a Round 2 draft pick but after an inconsistent Senior Bowl and Combine, he slipped to Round 4. I do think that he was the steal of the draft and will prove that down the line and start within the next couple years.

Round 5
Kevin Payne was a versatile player for ULM and he can be a good spot - starter down the line for CHI. Do expect good numbers as a ST ace.

Corey Graham is a small school prospect but I DO know that if you can develop him he will be a stud in my opinion. Graham has late 4.4 speed if I recall correctly and is just a good athlete all around. He comes from New Hampshire but if you can work on him......

Round 7
Trumaine McBride may not make the team at all (Practice Squad) but he did have good production at CHI and did play through some pain at Ole' Miss if I do recall.

Aaron Brant will be a backup OG at the next level.

Just my take.

IBleedNavyandOrange
04-29-2007, 08:48 PM
Dammit, you guys rock. I was going to say that the Bears should go after the Boise State dude or Chris Leak, and I come here to find out that Leak was signed. Awesome.

Now they should find some track-star WR prospect. This is Bradley's make-it-or-break-it year. If he can deliver, the lack of WR picks in this draft won't matter.

Every other position of need got addressed. Now, depending on what happens with Briggs, this team will have definitely improved across the board (yeah, I know TJ is a big hit, but I'm betting Benson has a season that, by game 10, has Chicago fans sying "Thomas who?").

SFbear
04-29-2007, 09:15 PM
Dammit, you guys rock. I was going to say that the Bears should go after the Boise State dude or Chris Leak, and I come here to find out that Leak was signed. Awesome.

Now they should find some track-star WR prospect. This is Bradley's make-it-or-break-it year. If he can deliver, the lack of WR picks in this draft won't matter.

Every other position of need got addressed. Now, depending on what happens with Briggs, this team will have definitely improved across the board (yeah, I know TJ is a big hit, but I'm betting Benson has a season that, by game 10, has Chicago fans sying "Thomas who?").

Technically we have Airese Currie as the track-star WR but he's never been healthy. JA must really like him since he hasn't been cut yet.

sweetness34
04-29-2007, 09:21 PM
Technically we have Airese Currie as the track-star WR but he's never been healthy. JA must really like him since he hasn't been cut yet.

When he's been healthy I guess he's been impressive. So hopefully he can get back to full strength this offseason, because the guy is lightning fast.

I expect a big year from Bradley now that he'll be able to get healthy. The guy is a playmaker and a stud when he's healthy.

SFbear
04-30-2007, 12:35 AM
We also signed DE Chris Frome and RB Darius Walker from Notre Dame

http://und.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/nd-m-footbl-body.html

I thought Walker would have been a better option for a third down back so I guess he'll get to compete with Wolfe in training camp. Not nearly as explosve as Wolfe though.

sweetness34
04-30-2007, 12:40 AM
We also signed DE Chris Frome and RB Darius Walker from Notre Dame

http://und.cstv.com/sports/m-footbl/nd-m-footbl-body.html

I thought Walker would have been a better option for a third down back so I guess he'll get to compete with Wolfe in training camp. Not nearly as explosve as Wolfe though.

Nice pickup with Walker. Don't know about Frome though.

NYmoney
04-30-2007, 08:45 AM
I don't like the wolfe pick in the 3rd round. I'd have supported the pick if it was a round later, but it's in the past.

As for Bazuin, I hope Brown is being shopped. There is no other reasoning for selecting him this high. Also, is anyone else surprised that the bears didn't take Dwayne Jarrett at 37?

Bearsfan123
04-30-2007, 09:18 AM
im glad we signed Walker, but since we didnt pursue Rhema McKnight (or he didnt sign with us) we must be confident in our receiving corps. I personally think the last spot will go to Mike Haas.

KBear
04-30-2007, 09:48 AM
Also, is anyone else surprised that the bears didn't take Dwayne Jarrett at 37?


Not really. Bears had been saying that they wanted to keep adding to team speed. Turner said he wanted a speed WR. But talk is cheap. But after taking Olsen in the first round, there was no real big need to add another redzone weapon with our 2nd pick, plus the Chargers gave the Bears a darn good trade offer.

bearsfan_51
04-30-2007, 09:59 AM
Not really. Bears had been saying that they wanted to keep adding to team speed. Turner said he wanted a speed WR. But talk is cheap. But after taking Olsen in the first round, there was no real big need to add another redzone weapon with our 2nd pick, plus the Chargers gave the Bears a darn good trade offer.
They did say that if they stayed at 37 they would have taken a Wide Reciever but yes, I agree, I'll take four players over one any day of the week.

bearsfan_51
04-30-2007, 10:00 AM
im glad we signed Walker, but since we didnt pursue Rhema McKnight (or he didnt sign with us) we must be confident in our receiving corps. I personally think the last spot will go to Mike Haas.

We could just as easily go with four wide recievers. We did in 2005. They already said they were going to look at the waiver wire and free agents still available as well. Considering that 16-17 recievers went on the first day there could be some decent veteran guys that are cut at the end of training camp.

SFbear
04-30-2007, 03:30 PM
We signed David Ball WR. Great signing. Hard to ignore that kind of production.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070430/NEWS/70430023/-1/NEWS05

evershot
04-30-2007, 04:47 PM
We signed David Ball WR. Great signing. Hard to ignore that kind of production.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070430/NEWS/70430023/-1/NEWS05

Nice! I hope he makes the roster.

NYmoney
04-30-2007, 04:52 PM
Not really. Bears had been saying that they wanted to keep adding to team speed. Turner said he wanted a speed WR. But talk is cheap. But after taking Olsen in the first round, there was no real big need to add another redzone weapon with our 2nd pick, plus the Chargers gave the Bears a darn good trade offer.

really? you think a low 3rd this year, another low 3rd next year, and a 5th is better than a high 2nd? I think we could have taken Sidney Rice at 37 or even Harris out of UM at that spot. Personally, I don't care for either of those potential picks, but I think there was value there. I guess 2 3rds is nice, but they are low 3rds.

evershot
04-30-2007, 05:51 PM
really? you think a low 3rd this year, another low 3rd next year, and a 5th is better than a high 2nd? I think we could have taken Sidney Rice at 37 or even Harris out of UM at that spot. Personally, I don't care for either of those potential picks, but I think there was value there. I guess 2 3rds is nice, but they are low 3rds.

The trade is actually more of a low 2nd this year, a Low third this year, a low third next year and a low 5th round this year. The bears got 4 picks for the price of one.

bearsfan_51
04-30-2007, 05:52 PM
really? you think a low 3rd this year, another low 3rd next year, and a 5th is better than a high 2nd? I think we could have taken Sidney Rice at 37 or even Harris out of UM at that spot. Personally, I don't care for either of those potential picks, but I think there was value there. I guess 2 3rds is nice, but they are low 3rds.
We also got a low 2nd. We didn't have the pick for Bazuin originally.

So we got a low 2nd, two low 3rds, and a 5th for a high 2nd.

Yes, I would take that deal any day of the week.

Smokey Joe
04-30-2007, 06:01 PM
We signed David Ball WR. Great signing. Hard to ignore that kind of production.

http://www.burlingtonfreepress.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070430/NEWS/70430023/-1/NEWS05

Very similar to Mike Haas, who we have on our roster as well.

DaBears0530
04-30-2007, 06:10 PM
is it true the bears signed Darius Walker because i read that in the Chicago Tribune?

Smokey Joe
04-30-2007, 06:30 PM
yes, we signed Darius Walker.

DaBears0530
04-30-2007, 06:42 PM
sweet ass man ! do you guys think that leak and Walker have any chance at making the team?

SFbear
04-30-2007, 06:55 PM
I don't see how Walker can beat out Wolfe since we spent a first day pick on him. Wolfe should be given at least a year considering the investment. Wolfe also has better hands and is more explosive, but more of a risk.

Hurricane Ditka
04-30-2007, 07:15 PM
I think with our current talent on offense I think Ron Turner needs to open things up this year, we've got the dynamic tight end, we'll have Hester, we've got a potential x-factor in Garrett Wolfe. Add them in with Moose, Clark, Berrian, Bradley, Davis, Benson and Peterson, and the Chicago Bears, dare I say it, have set themselves up to have a pretty dynamic offense this year. If Rex Grossman can find the happy medium, we could go deep in the playoffs again. Add all of this to a defense that's added depth just about everywhere, and sured up holes at DT, and SS we should return to form in 08.

dabears10
04-30-2007, 07:27 PM
I wouldn't say Wolfe has better hands, but is definately more explosive. Personally, just because we have more invested I believe that the best players should make the roster.

I love the David Ball signing.

bearsfan_51
04-30-2007, 07:36 PM
Actually I don't think we signed Walker. The Bears released their list of players and he wasn't on it.

DaBears0530
04-30-2007, 08:07 PM
Actually I don't think we signed Walker. The Bears released their list of players and he wasn't on it.

i heard there negotiating but dont want to release details to public.

sweetness34
04-30-2007, 08:07 PM
Actually I don't think we signed Walker. The Bears released their list of players and he wasn't on it.

Actually you're right 51, Walker was not signed according to both chicagobears.com and chicagosports.com....Hmmmm that's kind of strange considering I saw at least 2 sources who said we did sign him.

Btw, Wolfe does have better hands than Walker, which was a huge reason to why we picked him. The staff said he didn't drop in a pass in the private workout he had with them.

DaBears0530
05-01-2007, 07:41 PM
heres all the UDFA that the bears have signed.

Chicago

Undrafted Free Agents:

Chris Leak, QB, Florida

Jayson Swain, WR, Tennessee

Darius Walker, RB, Notre Dame

Chris Frome, DT, Notre Dame

Drisan James, WR, Boise State

David Ball, WR, New Hampshire

Jay Staggs, DB, U.N.L.V.

Danny Verdun-Wheeler, LB, Georgia

Justin Rascati, QB, Louisville/James Madison

James Todd, CB, Baylor

Brian Jackson, K, Ball State (Try-Out)

Michael Hay, LS, Ball State (Try-Out)

Derrick Doyle, WR, Northwestern State

Bearsfan123
05-01-2007, 08:05 PM
which (if any) do we believe will make the roster?

I think only Walker will. (I think Wolfe will be used like RBush and lined up in the slot and such)

sweetness34
05-01-2007, 08:08 PM
which (if any) do we believe will make the roster?

I think only Walker will. (I think Wolfe will be used like RBush and lined up in the slot and such)

I think David Ball has a shot, as does Walker. Wolfe is our 3rd down back and I really don't see him being lined up in the slot. He's a very good reciever but he's not a WR. Olsen on the other hand, yes I could see him in the slot possibly.

Hurricane Ditka
05-01-2007, 08:10 PM
I could see Olsen being used similar to Dallas Clark in Indy.

bearsfan_51
05-01-2007, 08:20 PM
I don't think a single UDFA will make the roster. Ball is probably the only one with a legit shot at this point. There's no way in hell we keep four runningbacks on the roster.

Smokey Joe
05-01-2007, 08:54 PM
The safety from UNLV looks like an interesting prospect. Staggs, he ran a 4.5 40, and has pretty good size. If D. Manning makes the move to CB and Graham stays at CB, there will be an open 5th safety spot, if the team decides to carry 5 safeties, but at this point, that is optional, since both Manning and Graham could move to safety anytime.

DaBears0530
05-02-2007, 07:34 AM
Chris, Walker, Ball = Practice Squad

bearfan
05-02-2007, 05:08 PM
The safety from UNLV looks like an interesting prospect. Staggs, he ran a 4.5 40, and has pretty good size. If D. Manning makes the move to CB and Graham stays at CB, there will be an open 5th safety spot, if the team decides to carry 5 safeties, but at this point, that is optional, since both Manning and Graham could move to safety anytime.

There should be no way D Manning moves to CB with the drafting of 2 CBs

bearsfan_51
05-02-2007, 05:10 PM
There should be no way D Manning moves to CB with the drafting of 2 CBs
It's highly unlikely that both of them make the team. 7th rounders, at best, have a 50/50 shot of making the final roster.

IBleedNavyandOrange
05-02-2007, 06:21 PM
Plus, safety depth is a bit more important. All the CBs on the team last year are returning. So I'd expect D. Manning to get all his reps at safety.

I'd really like to see some shake-up at LB (besides the obvious Briggs situation). I think Hillenmeyer is a weak point in the defense, and maybe Bazuin can play there? Wait, I must be high... my problem with Hillenmeyer is that he's a liability in coverage, and there's no way a 'tweener LB/DE can hold up in coverage consistently.

bearsfan_51
05-02-2007, 06:24 PM
Plus, safety depth is a bit more important. All the CBs on the team last year are returning. So I'd expect D. Manning to get all his reps at safety.

I'd really like to see some shake-up at LB (besides the obvious Briggs situation). I think Hillenmeyer is a weak point in the defense, and maybe Bazuin can play there? Wait, I must be high... my problem with Hillenmeyer is that he's a liability in coverage, and there's no way a 'tweener LB/DE can hold up in coverage consistently.
I completely disagree about Hillenmeyer being a liability in coverage. He matched up one-on-one against most of the tight ends in the NFL. You can argue that he's not an impact player, but I'm not looking for interceptions out of my SLB.

bearfan
05-02-2007, 06:37 PM
It's highly unlikely that both of them make the team. 7th rounders, at best, have a 50/50 shot of making the final roster.

figure we keep 1 at least

CB: Vash, Tillman, R Manning, Dante Wesley, Rookie we drafted

Hurricane Ditka
05-02-2007, 06:39 PM
Dante Wesley is outta here.

Bearsfan123
09-04-2007, 11:48 PM
Heres a mini-mock I put together.

If Rexy does good but Benson only does average.

1st rd: Barry Richardson OT
2nd rd: Trade up using our 2nd rd pick and our 2 3rd rd picks: Felix Jones RB (if he comes out)
3rd rd: Complementary of losing Briggs: Marcus Monk WR


Grossman fails

1st rd: Barry Richardson OT-This is necessary OT is a huge need.
2nd rd: same deal: John David Booty-I think 3-4 qbs tops in the 1st so guys like JDB, Keller, Ryan, and Flynn should all be avaible. I wouldnt touch Henne with a 10 foot pole.
3rd complementary:Monk again unless one of the good RBs drop.

bearfan
09-05-2007, 06:23 AM
I like that little mock Bf123. I dont think that Benson will be on such a short leash though in his 1st year as a full time RB. I think only if he gets hurt we draft a RB in the 2nd. Maybe Felix Jones, but there are some nice senior players like Choice (doesnt compliment benson well?), Allen Patrick, Albert Young, and my personal favorite Justin Forsett. But I think you were just more aiming at the fact that RB would be drafted.

And good deal w/ QB. I would love Booty, and Ryan would be nice too. One guy after seeing him play 1 game that I have really started to like is Erik Ainge. If he fell to us, or we traded for him in the 2nd (pending Grossman is terrible) I would be happy w/ that too.

And as for Monk, great. But would he fall that far into the 3rd round?

Bearsfan123
09-05-2007, 07:34 AM
As for Monk i believe hes injured right now, and everything Ive read has him falling to the third right now. As for him falling that far, I think if he doesnt come back right away and on track, he may be overlooked.

You hit the nail on the head, I think if Benson doesnt live up to his billing, (which is to say he ran like he did in Preseason) that we put the pressure on him and draft a back in the high second rd range.

QB is going to be stacked this year. Alot of second rd signal callers are going to be drafted imo.

bearfan
09-05-2007, 05:25 PM
Yeah, I really like the draft class. Not a lot of Superstars like VY and Leinart, but a lot of guys who have had very solid college careers, and have potential to be good.

And if Monk fell to us, that would be awesome. I remember watching him, and I was so impressed by this guy who I had never heard of before.

Hurricane Ditka
09-06-2007, 02:54 PM
We won't see compensation for Briggs until the 2009 draft.

Bearsfan123
09-06-2007, 03:32 PM
damn, sorry i thought it was the year of. Well that screws everything up now dont it...

awfullyquiet
09-06-2007, 04:42 PM
agreed that henne shouldn't be touched with a ten foot pole.
unless he's available in the fifth round.

i mean. think they are gonna focus more on the O-Line next year (much as i said the bears'd do this year, but never look a gift horse in the mouth in way of Greg Olsen). because, face it, they have to. it's that time.

i think both grossman and benson will perform fine. if grossman hits 59-60& and goes 25-18 i'd be happy. if benson goes 1200 and 8 i'd be happy. and i wouldn't even consider changing